Can I just reassure you Jessie that when I make it as a writer (currently writing a book) that I will be determined to be as progressive and forward-thinking as the authors King, Gaiman and Atwood. I know for certain that I will not spare any Terf/Transphobe/Binarist/Transmedicalist from satire or mockery. I even made a character modeled after both Buck Angel and Blaire White, with a bit of Tiffany Tumbles in the self-denying and self-loathing department (and he works alongside with a character expy of Cold-feet Steven Crowder. Hell, I'm mocking all the alt-right shock jock dangerous intellectuals as caricatures in my books).
You and Buck are both partially right and partially wrong. I intend to write a blog where I point out certain facts. But let me make one thing abundantly clear my support for you and your work is not contingent on my agreement with you. I have taken to task other creators I support China uncensored for example are spot-on about the evils of the Communist Party but very wrong about critical race Theory. I've written that they're wrong about critical race Theory multiple times and also increase the amount by which I support them on patreon because I think their work is important. You have such a lot of important things here... This is like someone telling you they love you before they really rake you over the coals .... out of Love.
Its a star trek reference? I hav some i know it, i can only guess knowing jesse, star trek? Or likely not! Damn youearworm. :P And onscure 90s show? Alf?Mork? Ranma 1/2? Ok given the topic a live saving earworm.
Self-hatred takes many forms, unfortunately. What I'd like is to find the person or people that convinced Buck he was damaged goods, and get him away from them.
@@fallyn2920 simples, I read his own tweets, heard his interviews, and I heard him insult people based on what confirmation surgery he got. Oh and how he talks about both of his ex-wives, and how he talks about trans-women. Long story short, I actually heard his own words and like that one quote, if somehow shows they’re a dickhead, believe them. Are you a troll or one of those cis-straight fans of contrapoints and believe her that buck angel is harmless? Either way, thank you for informing me you clearly have no idea about this cloud shouter who likes hanging out with terfs and white supremacists.
@@ladygrey4113 contrapoints does not say buck is harmless, she thinks he may be reachable as of the last time she talked about him and is friendly with people she disagrees with. She’s openly said how she doesn’t like how he seems to distance himself from non-binary people. When she first had him briefly in her video she didn’t know much about him at all. This contrapoints bashing and bad faith criticism is counterproductive.
So proud of Buck Angel! Look at him, he’s transitioned into so much of a man that he now thinks he’s been granted the right to police women’s bodies to stop an imaginary reverse-sexism!
Bless you. I was trying to think of a way to say that, and just couldn't get it, but yes, he's mansplaining to transwomen that they are doing it wrong.
@@CrankyB1tsch The thing is that the majority of toxic masculinity is enforced by other men, not women. It's still a problem, but it's not two sides of the same coin.
As a trans guy let me just say: everything in this letter is utter bull. Trans women have done so much for the trans community, we literally owe them our lives. I'd hate to live in a world where trans women don't exist. This "abuse" is 100% made up, trans women have welcomed me, loved me, and supported me, at every turn. The fact that Angel and his lot can't see that is baffling, and I pity them for it
Fucking same. Can we clash sometimes when a trans woman says something that feels wrong or insensitive to trans men or vice versa? Of course. There's so many trans people from different walks of life, we're not all gonna get along with each other. But none of this is inherent to trans men or trans women. Trans women can't get a freakin break. We need to have solidarity for each other because we are our closest siblings, we are the closest in knowing what our experiences are without actually being one in the same. This goes for non-binary people as well (I'm a nb trans guy), but this is specifically for trans women and trans men. Trans men need to stop blaming trans women for our lack of visibility and support. It's the transphobic society's fault, not our sisters.
I seriously wonder how people like Buck who believe in autogynephilia would react to meeting an asexual, aromantic trans person. I think their faces would melt like the ending of Raiders of the Lost Ark when they hear that I am transitioning for my own comfort and happiness and have no desire for any sexual relationships.
I'm a trans man that absolutely loathes the fact that trans men and transmasculine people are so often invisible in trans discussion, and discussion that affect us. I hate that no one remembers us when it comes to our reproductive rights/healthcare. I hate that pregnant men are still either a joke, disgusting, or a fetish in cis people's eyes. I hate that no one is talking about how we have the highest rates of SA in the trans community (according to the 2015 trans survey). I hate that trans men activists like Lou Sullivan have been forgotten in discussion of LGBTQ+ history. I hate that people aren't talking about these things, and I am so exhausted because I think I am the only one that cares because I feel like I'm the only one that is talking about these things... But My trans sisters and transfemme siblings are not the ones I am blaming. I am still devoted to liberating them alongside me. I am still listening and learning and being the best ally I can be to them. I don't blame them for their hypervisibility that largely overshadows trans men because they did not ask to be so heavily scrutinized in their everyday lives. I will always advocate for them, and for us. The solution is to not blame trans women and femmes, but to uplift trans men's voices alongside our sisters/siblings. We won't have trans liberation until every single trans person is liberated. We won't have it until trans men have it, trans women have it, and non binary people have it. Love your trans siblings. Lift them up. Fight for them. We are all in this together, and are so much stronger as a whole community.
"I hate that pregnant men are still either a joke, disgusting, or a fetish in cis people's eyes" - they are, because only biological women - FEMALES - can get pregnant. Men can NOT get pregnant. Your reality-bending cult is so bizarre and the vast majority of people aren't having it.
People like Buck Angel confuse me. On the one hand, they are arguing that trans women are pushing people into things like "irreversible surgeries and hormones" but on the other subscribe to the idea that to be trans necessitates having gender dysphoria and "treatment for this medical condition". Like, no matter what, trans women are always the villain.
I think he was in porn-world too long. Also may have mistaken the hard trials trans people went through as a 'worthiness test,' for a life one might well have the impulse to protect others from, ...but forgetting that it's not the 'trials' that make you who you are. You are who you are, however much 'easier' it looks in a world and generation where kids can change Facebook designations and that's somehow maybe bigger than real people are to themselves and each other. The simple fact, though, is those aren't the ones havig medical transitions, And I don't think you need to take people's identities out of their hands to make people realize that you don't have to be 'trans' or 'enbee' ....just to be yourself. And trans people shouldn't be treated like they can be trivialized that way either.
@@dinosaysrawr I mean, blaming the oppressed/victims for their own oppression/victimisation is a long standing issue, from domestic abuse to marginalised groups. It's the path of least resistance to deal with injustice.
it's like "ok, I won't rush into this surgery, I'll talk to a therapist, I'll look into my options, take it slow" and then they're like "You have boobs! You're not really trans!" Yeah, I have boobs, I'm not happy about it either.
Yeah, Buck has seen way too many trans women villains in slasher and suspense movies! He thinks we all wear hockey masks and chainsaw cheerleaders on national holidays, lol!
I'm 46. I identify as non binary. If I had access to gender therapy when I was a kid I probably would have transitioned to male and been quite happy. I never got that chance. As the decades passed the gender dysphoria never went away. I was lucky that I went through menopause at 40 and that helped a lot. Still gender dysmorphic though so I've decided to get top surgery when I'm able to. I don't feel the need to take testosterone because I already look masculine. Funny thing? I'm asexual. I have never had any interest in sex so how do they explain me? My dysphoria is strictly a discomfort in the meat suit that I've been tossed in.
I would just like to say, as a freshly minted adult(18 y/o) non-binary person it’s so cool to hear about older NB people. I’m also asexual too so that’s even cooler.
I’m a young ace femme Enby, (I switch between masc and femme sometimes, tho) and I cant believe there’s older people like me, this comment made me cry because I know I’m not alone :,)
Hey, shoutout from another over-40 afab enby! I honestly just figured out that I'm non-binary and genderqueer over the last 5 yrs or so, but it's not very surprising in hindsight - I had some real gender dysphoria back when I was a teenager, I've always been bi/pansexual, and my BFF transitioned about 10 yrs ago... Not to mention how often I'd jumped at doing drag for theatre or Halloween over the years! The place that I've found I'm most comfortable is just to the masculine side of androgyny, still rocking the goth/punk look I've always had, just a bit harder and more dapper, with less hair. Some days I bind, some days I don't. Sometimes I wear glam makeup, sometimes I don't. Sometimes I do both together! I'm happy, and it's all okay.
I am a comrade in a similar situation. I didn’t come to terms with myself being non-binary until I was 49, about 5 years ago, but I kind of realized many years ago that I didn’t ID was my birth assigned sex/gender (I really pushed down my queerness on all fronts). As I became aware of what this meant I realized that a lot of general discomfort I had about my body was actually dysphoria. While I don’t ID as asexual, I probably am on the asexual spectrum. I ID as pansexual, because my attractions aren’t related to gender or gender presentation.
I am really proud of all the other trans masc/ trans men who joined in to sign the counter letter against what Buck and his friends wrote. Trans women are our sisters, and if they attack trans women, then they are going to have to answer to all of the other trans men who have called them out on their transmisogyny. Transmisogynists do not speak on behalf of trans men and trans masculine people.
'Accusing' trans women of trying to ban conversion therapy is like... 'accusing' BLM of trying to end police violence... or 'accusing' food not bombs of trying to feed individuals without safe homes... like, what an 'accusation.'
Edited to use person first language- I changed 'homeless individuals' to individuals without safe homes. some activists for unhomed individuals and people without safe housing prefer the term houseless to the term homeless. Me, personally, I feel like the term homeless relates to *my* own experience more, and 'houseless' sort of dilutes it or pretties it up in a way that isn't authentic. Regardless of whether you prefer to use 'houseless' or 'homeless' - for the love of pete, *PLEASE* stop saying 'the homeless' as though people without safe housing are an undifferentiated mass. Its so othering. Sorry that my rant is soooo off-topic to the video... if it does connect back it would be the power of language. ^this f-ing guy's use of 'blahblahblahmales' to describe trans women stings... language is so powerful and i single different word choice can reveal so much about mindsets and the biases or bigotry therein.
@@zekec6088 yeah as a general rule don't say "the X" but say "X people", as it's used to avoid calling them people, so it dehumanises/depersonifies others Homelessness is a spectrum too and many are hidden such as living on friend's sofas, but those get missed in many statistics "Individuals without safe homes" includes far more people than that though, as in includes people who have a home just it's not safe for whatever reason Everyone still deserves a home they feel safe in, and a body they feel comfortable in too
Buck Angel set himself a transition goal a long time ago: become the quintessential boomer man. He succeeded. Now he is like a toxic, bigoted, grumpy older uncle, yelling about "kids these days" and perpetuating very harmful ideas and outright hatred. What a shame. He could've been a beacon of hope and possibility for many young trans AND non-binary people. Pitiful.
Does NOT speak for this boomer! But yeah I fear he will add to the idea that boomers are out of touch and awful. He's certainly working hard at perpetuating this image.
@@515aleon We know there are good people like in every group and from every generation. It's unfortunate that there are so many loud, and mean boomers set on making everyone miserable including themselves.
that rly sucks that a transman who isnt afraid to be sex positive turns out to be such a intolerant person, since the trans community could really use the sex positivity movement to see their bodies as positively as they can pre-op
Seconding this sentiment. It would be nice to see more sex positive voices in the trans community who are willing to speak openly about how they and their partners handled sex before, during, and after transition. Like I have no idea how to handle even the idea of talking about sex with other trans and nonbinary people even though I am nonbinary! Like since my genitalia isn't what causes the majority of my dysphoria, my experience may be completely different from another nb's perspective, whether they be afab or amab, let alone a trans man or trans woman. Like how does one even broach the topic?
As a sex positive trans man: yes. Trans people need more sex positive voices who don’t attack other trans people. I wish there was a place and a platform for those of us who want to discuss and help sex positive education for and about us.
I’ll note his sex toys aren’t made out of good materials (some kind of mix of silicone and a porous polymer and mixing materials in sex toys is almost never a good idea let alone using porous materials since that makes it near impossible to fully disinfect the toy) and he likes suing other sex toy makers who make stuff for trans men.
It's so weird how people will say that there are AGP trans women and HGD trans women but then refer to all trans women they actually encounter as AGP It's not confusing, I know exactly why they do it, it's just weird.
As a trans guy, I can't stand people like Buck Angel. One of the main reasons it took so long to fully realize my transness was because of transmedicalists like him and people on youtube. It's awful to see people who've been hurt going on to hurt other people so they can cope with their own insecurities.
@Madison Morgan Yeah I feel like it's some heavily internalized shit. I came out late in the game as trans so I have almost 30 years of lived experience as a woman and know how fucking horrendous that experience can be when it comes to how they're treated in society, so I'm doing the very best I can to avoid internalizing a kind of misogyny that trans guys can just so flippantly throw at trans women.
I'm also realizing it kinda pisses me off that this guy is sporting sculpted muscles and probably more than my lifetime gross worth in *ink* and probably never got in a real fight in his life. while I was skinny androgynous chick defending in real life the people he's punching down at like they aren't *still* subject to real violence over stupid ideas.
same. It's like "you must have dysphoria and must have dysphoria in this way to be trans!" And long story short, turns out I'm not only non-binary, I do have gender dysphoria. I just didn't realise because they presented such a rigid view of being trans.
@@skylarjohnson7779 exactly! They seem to think every trans guy for instance needs to have dysphoria at the idea of wearing feminine clothing else you're not a "true trans" I dont really consider myself nonbinary like I used to, but I have no body dysphoria simply from wearing feminine clothing. I dont wear feminine clothing outside because I experience social dysphoria and being pre t means a lot of people would think of me as a woman.
@@KalinTheZola I've just never really had a connection to traditional western gender roles, and I tend to unintentionally present as feminine, like... I'm cis but it REALLY bothers me how transmedicalists impose gender roles
as a trans man, toxic masculinity is still a huge issue in our spaces. its a universal experience to “prove” our gender as trans people, but i feel like you get that from other trans men more often than trans women simply because of the masculinity culture both in trans and cis spaces. stupid insignificant things like what color you like or if you wear boxers or panties, because its what happens in cis mens spaces.
Being a trans femboy is hard uwu I hated pink and dresses growing up ald got called a tomboy But as I transition I'm becoming more and more comfortable with my feminine side. I don't mind being seen as a guy in a dress, but a girl in anything (dresses or trousers) feels so wrong Getting chest surgery in a month finally and so excited that it means I'll have any confidence to wear dresses outside of my bedroom. I'm scared of being misgendered even with my beard already
When I was a teenager, I thought I was a straight girl, mostly because I didn't know I had the option to be anything else. I still liked to dress and present in a masculine way, which felt very natural to me. After all, I was attracted to boys, so to feel attractive to myself, I had to look like a boy. Perfectly reasonable, duh. Once I got older and came to terms with my gender, I started hanging out with other trans guys, and found out that it's common for us to confuse attraction with gender envy. As in, "Do I want to kiss this dude, or do I just want to look like him? Or is it a little bit of both?" I'm sure sapphic trans women experience something similar. And there's nothing weird or creepy about it. Most people want to look attractive, and most people, whether cis or trans, occasionally look at someone particularly sexy and go, "Damn, I wish I looked like that."
You just described the heart of my enby pan panic over everyone from Trent Reznor to that one girl in my one ballet class... Confusion reigns in this house. XD
Nonbinary and I have the "Do I want to kiss them or want to be them?" all the time. For me it's mainly androgynous people of all genders but I guess that makes sense in my case with my identity. I don't care about gender or sex when it comes to attraction in general but other expressions don't confuse me like that.
@@Leeqzombie Dude, everyone has those feels over Trent Reznor. It's okay! I'm convinced that even *David Freakin' Bowie* had those feels for Reznor. Watch the video for "I'm Afraid of Americans"! XD And then get those confusing feels over David Bowie, too. RIP, Starman.
As a trans man I fully support my trans sisters and siblings, it's horrible watching people like Buck try and start this gender war when we already have enough hate to fight against.
@@kennethc2466 you're going off on unrelated tangents. Please explain how trans people transitioning into an identity that makes them feel happy, is an expression of hate.
As a non-binary trans man who also advocates for increased visibility of transmasculine issues, I'd like to make it very clear that Buck Angel and his ilk do not speak for me. AGP has never been and never will be a real thing, and trans women are not my enemy. Cis people are at fault for the discrimination trans men face, not trans women. Buck Angel can pretend he cares about his fellow trans men, but he's not fooling anyone seeing as how he believes in ROGD, which is explicitly weaponized against transmasculine people. I also want to point out that it was the late Lou Sullivan, a trans man, who fought tooth and nail for gay trans people's (a category that includes alleged "autogynophiles") right to transition in the 70s and 80s. There are many trans men out there who have your backs, and it is possible to discuss transmasculine issues without turning to transmisogyny like Buck Angel does.
I'll also note that for very cis people, a lot of the waters have been deliberately-muddied and obscure the fact that the same right-wing and other 'essentialist' forces are gleefully muddying the waters between being trans and simply not fitting in their ever-more restrictive *boxes* in the sexual binary. It's in consumer culture as well as politics in a way it wasn't when I was growing up and could easily pass any 'nonbinariness' in roles or expectations off as style and talents at 'traditionally-boy things'. (Conversion attempts or otherwise being transphobic toward people is never helpful, though.) (Also, yay, transguys. Part of how I knew so many trans people has to do with being involved with them. ) I do think TERFism often plays on the *fears* that all that's happening is that androgynous kids or those with other interests than they're 'supposed' to will somehow just be 'transed' or duped into ...just the other box. But gender roles and trappings don't change someone's relationship to their own *bodies,* never mind *define* it. The Right fears losing all certainty, some fear ending up being forced into just another box. People that have more straightforward problems generate less talk, cause it's them and their bodies. Not so much something to 'debate.'
@@christopherreichle6670 not only are you wrong, but your mom also validated my identity as a nonbinary man when we spent the night together. As your nonbinary father, I order you to go to your room and think over what you've done
Heartbreaking. Buck Angel was such a positive trans icon 20 years ago. The first trans man I saw speaking out so publicly about being unapologetically trans. He did interviews and wrote articles in queer magazines about transness, accepting yourself and sexual positivity. Now he's out here calling trans women "men", using labels like "homosexual type" mental disorder, and advocating conversion 'therapy' (abuse). I have a hard time understanding how someone goes from one to the other. Like, what the heck happened?
It's not hard for me. He passes. He fits perfectly into the expectations that have been laid out for being male and has grown separated from the struggles of being a trans person, not longer empathizing or seeing humanity in groups of people he no longer interacts with. The term "pick me" is loathed among right-wing circles in marginalized communities but the shoe fits every time.
Is it just me or does the idea of people thinking being transmale is okay but at the same time thinking being transfemale is bad and dangerous feel rooted in misogyny?
Yes that's right my brother, and you're definitely not alone. Let's protect and fight for our trans sisters, and our non binary pals with the love in the world.
As a transman I've felt invisible in society and within the community. For numerous reasons. However never attacked by transwoman. Sounds like Buck and his followers are trying to get more validation through invading others and attacking who they are. Sadly this plays out in many different communities taking al kinds of forms.
The guy who claimed that an equivalent to "autogynophilia" doesn't apply to trans men missed a golden opportunity to tie his theory in with Freud's "penis envy" theory for more comprehensive and cross-cited bullshit. For some reason, I feel doubly offended when people aren't just wrong but also bad at being wrong. "It's really hard to change a narrative about yourself that you've been told to believe your entire life..." I mean, isn't that what all trans folks do to begin with?
Especially when the whole "an equivalent to autogynophilia doesn't apply to trans men" thesis is scientifically rooted in rigorous "trust me bro, I made it the fuck up" level clinical research. It's literally just, "autoandrophila doesn't exist in trans men because Blanchard says it doesn't".
I actually got kinda emotional during this video. That letter makes me so viscerally angry. Trans women are literally at the forefront in the fight for trans rights, we have so many female trans activists to thank for putting themselves out there and representing and speaking out for the community. I can't express how trans women literally just existing makes me so proud to be trans, and I'm a trans man lmao. I'm just so grateful for trans women honestly, I wish more trans men were too
The point of trans women getting more visibility than us is funny, because that has been by our own choice. We *want* to let women of our community speak, actually most trans guys have always gone stealth, and our sisters never blamed them for leaving the community behind. The fact that Buck is so disconnected even from other trans men and is using that against trans women now is kinda pathetic.
@@alexshane5713 Yeah! And what that letter refuses to acknowledge is that most tran women are actually forced to step up and speak out. The two main arguments coming from transphobes at the moment have been trans people in bathrooms and sports, which THEY have made trans women the center of, trans women didn't chose to be the center of the conversations. Not mention, while trans women and trans men receive equal amounts of transphobia, the way in which transphobes present it is different. When a transphobe invalidates my transness by saying things like I'm "just a confused lesbian" or I'm just a damsel in distress that has been "manipulated by the TRAs", they're comments that I can laugh at and ignore. But trans women can't just be expected to stand there and be accused of being perverts/pedophiles who want to "invade women's spaces" and other very serious accusations like accusing them of being trans just to "manipulate women", they HAVE to speak out about those vile accusations.
@@alexshane5713what are you talking about? trans men don't go stealth any more than trans women do. a lot of us don't pass. And also trans people who go stealth aren't "leaving the community behind", despite what some people in the community claim. going stealth is often a matter of safety.
That ending was a breath of fresh air. These topics are exhausting to unpack, and disheartening to think about, but remembering that hate never wins always boosts my spirits and pushes me to keep trying. Part of what makes me sad about Buck is that if he continues down the path he's on, he'll never get to experience the joy of knowing he got to contribute to a world that's brighter and more loving for future trans youth.
@@draalttomfp6902 As may be, but the sooner we start (full disclosure: not only rainbow, but atheist here), the sooner we get better ideas out there and give hope to victims of those organized systems of oppression, especially the young ones who need safe mentors -- and I, for one, am gonna be in there fighting and bringing the light.
@@draalttomfp6902 and not to mention religion also slowed down technological process through witch hunts of scientists and others that thought differently. Who knows where we could have been today without religion? Maybe have flying cars and people able to become who they feel they are at a cellular level, and possibly not have this caveman hate we have. 🤔
These people that think they can save themselves by throwing the rest of the community under the bus are going to be sorely disappointed when they see the next bus is headed their way. What does Buck think would happen if conversion therapy became an acceptable option? I'm sure it would become the first or only option for many care providers if they believe they can prevent people "from becoming trans". From someone like him I guess it doesn't matter. One more case of "got mine,screw yours".
@@OllamhDrab He's borderline. Depending on who you ask, he's a boomer or an Xer. Some view boomers as 1946-1966, others as 1946-1960 -- in the former case, he's a boomer, in the latter an Xer.
@@SakuraNyan I think these 'generations' have more to do with expectations you grew up with than date per se. (Mind you, there are lots of Xers who got semi-established before the bottom fell out of the real economy.but I'd be more inclined to remind him he's gen X than just say 'boomer.')
@@OllamhDrab 1962 is in the 'grey zone', is my point. I'd label him as an Xer because while WW2 ending is a clear point to define the beginning of a generation, I don't really see anything like that for X, Millennial (my generation), or Z/Zoomers. So instead to me: 1960-1979: X. 1980-1999: Millennial, 2000-2019: Zoomer, 2020-2039: The earlier generations screwed up. Edit: Also, 2020 seems to be a really strong candidate year for a clear border between people before and after.
"Hashtag bring back the fanny" I'm from the UK, where 'fanny' is slang for 'vagina', and despite my knowing that that's not the case in the US and that you had shown a picture RIGHT before saying that, I still had to furiously remind myself that you did not mean 'vagina'. (They're called 'bum bags' over here ftr.)
The shock of a video addressing "transphobic transpeople" but not primarily focussing on Blair White has me astounded! Just when I thought she was the only (prominent) one...
I don't know why Buck Angel fell for this trash. Does he think anti-trans groups won't turn on him in an instant? I don't get why people who've been discriminated against have the overwhelming urge to turn around and do the same thing to someone else, for some false badge of acceptance. He's a fool, and he's going to hurt others. :(
he's an old man who grew up hard and cold to keep himself as safe as he could in a world that required hard and cold and he doesn't want to think of himself as old, hard and cold now that the world has moved on so he treats his way as the best way and allied himself with people who wouldn't tell him he's wrong(and will even give him money). instead of looking eyes-forward he is staring backwards into his own history.... also he was a shitty husband who is two ex wives in one of whom tried to skip on alimony by accusing him of being a woman and voiding their marriage which can't possibly be good for his mental health tl;dr desperate people will cling on to anything for comfort and trash is often quite buoyant
@@technopoptart I dunno, I'm an old lady from about the same generation, and I grew up with things getting hard and probably learning to be cold. I was never more than a local celebrity about it, but I think this guy forgot some things while being a kinky 'porn star,' (Frankly, I still think people arguing over trivia diverts from the real suffering of real people, not to mention the real violence going on while people argue about flags and labels we didn't even have when *I* was fighting... and I guess he was porning. About all I know about his world is being security for strippers and dancers and escorts, cause I learned to take hits and fight and stuff as a skinny gal before I even knew there was a Pride flag to fly, never mind worrying too much how many stripes were on it when I saw it.) Nonetheless I think Buck there got too famous in a porn-world and forgot real people are still out here. He's got bigger muscles but I'm not sure he ever used them about what LGBTQIetc people face, regardless of how many letters you stick on us.
I was thinking about the samething. I never understand why people support their own enemy just to attack someone else. This is conteeproductive and will lead to more problem than solution.
@@somik-i3x To my experience, those who lash out at allies a) Don't know what a war is and b) Don't know what is not a freaking war. It's one thing to tell two enemies, 'Let's you and them fight,' ...it's quite another to declare 'enemies' to offer them up as some kind of diversion like abused kids do.
I think similar as to the terf video reasons, From jesse that one. I had it hard bla bla with finding it easir to punch don than up, to. Really he is a terf. Jut worse somehow. and apearently really the prick he is in the matrix that would throw everyone under the bus to feel better.
I remember as a teenager talking to my mother about how there were girls at my church (High Episcopalian) who wanted to serve at the altar along with boys, and not only some of the men but some very influential women were opposed to that. My mother astutely observed that maybe those women didn't want girls to have any opportunities that they themselves had been denied. There is a really strong odor of "I suffered, so why shouldn't you?" around this "Trans Men Fight Back" nonsense. That's my big takeaway--other than the conclusion that autogynephilia is the most convoluted nonsense I've ever heard. It makes the doctrine of the Trinity look straightforward.
God it's nice to have someone else react the way I did to his writing. A couple years ago, I was in a social group who didn't understand why he bothered me. He came off to me as a "trans activist" the way Milo comes off as a "Gay activist" and now both actually are supporting conversion therapy.
I definitely hear this. I am trying to put this video//the letter Buck Angel’s views in conversation with Contrapoints’ response to her being canceled for having Buck Angel read an excerpt in her video “opulence” (this response is in her video entitled “canceling”). I have to watch it again to more convincingly make my point, but my first impression of Contrapoints’ response was that Buck Angel was a misinformed activist from the past who didn’t have the language to communicate his actual ideas (don’t quote me on that, it’s a basic explanation ☠️) led me to agree with Contrapoints without any further research on my end. I this comment reminds me that we all, individually, need to do our work to more cohesively work together and complicate matters where they exist.
@@yolddelius6292 Strikes me that the stuff with Contrapoints could have been avoided if people (including Contra) just, you know... listened to nonbinary people in the first place. People were talking about this same sort of behaviour from Buck Angel even then.
I’ll note again he outed his by then divorced ex-wife’s lover to a lot of magazines including Rolling Stones. He also seems to refuse calling her by anything other than her old dominatrix name which she stopped using years ago.
May be a tangent but it struck me: Contrapoints got cancelled HARD for using Buck Angel as voiceover talent in one of her videos. I wonder now if it affected him the same way in reverse? Because at that time, he was willing to collab--albeit to a small degree--with a transgender woman. Which implies that he approved of the video, her channel, and work in general. This manifesto is not the creation of someone who would ever DO that. It feels, at least in part, like a distancing tactic or even strategic revenge. That either Buck got massive heat from his own supporters, and/or took severe exception to Contras explanation of Buck and the whole affair in Canceling and this is his response.
I honestly think Natalie didn’t know who he was beyond him being a popular trans porn star. He’s been a transmedicalist for as long as Ive heard of him (it’s been a hot minute) but it all reeks of sour grapes, like ‘I had to get the surgery so you have to as well or you can’t be in my cool club.’ Natalie could have done with looking into him further but I think a lot of people would make the same type of choice in a similar situation. I doubt Gina Carrano’s shite takes were new but previously most people knew her as a female wrestler and that was good enough. I hope someone in Buck’s ingroup confronts him with this because he needs to be a bit more uncomfortable with his Boomer lifestyle.
Lots of people will do business or even hang out with people they categorically don’t respect. I doubt Bucky boy had any particularly deep knowledge of or interest in Natalie’s channel, or he may have known her vaguely as someone in the community who is willing to engage with conservatives and the uninformed, which he would likely see as a commonality. Like so many things, he started out progressive on the “having a conversation with people who are hostile to you” front (which is great if you have the privilege of doing so safely and sanely), then got real weird when he got old.
I'm a cis woman, not related but I want your dress. Anyway, thank you for the bi validation and opening my eyes about Buck Angel. I found him iffy for quite some time. I saw his documentary a few years ago and it grossed me out when he more or less said other trans people should pull themselves up by their boot straps to medically transition because that's what he had to do without help. I never understood that mentality of " I had to struggle and so should you. " Like, really? One would think it would make you more empathetic and want others to have more access to medical care.
I remember stop caring aboit buck angel' s opinions when he was like "we only need lgbtt, no other letters needed". Some oppressed people are really content with the slightest amount of acceptance and are ready to go against any other oppressed minority.
Well, technically we don't *need* them, but if likely coming up 'I' bollixes up someone's VOight-Kamf test, so to speak, go ahead. (Funny enough, despite all the bloodwork I've had trying to figure out my endocrine system, they just don't test about those chromosomes they're always on about unless that's the only way to explain one test and syndrome. Or if you're in the Olympics, I guess.) In my case, after fifty years of the impossible being eliminated, though, I may well be in the "I" category. Possibly a very improbable mosaic chimera. But if there are equal rights for LGBTQ people, then all's I gotta worry about is never knowing my blood type today or some autoimmune stuff. :) (Frankly, knwing more about intersex stuff, of which transness may be a developmental form, would probably save a lot of people a lot of grief, but right now people don't want to freaking mask up or vaccinate in a damn pandemic.) :)
So, you stopped caring when he had an opinion that makes sense? Edit: By this, I mean that we do only need LGBT. There's nothing else to account for - all bases are covered and the new additions don't make sense or inherently cause issues of reinforcement of sexist stereotypes.
@@christopherreichle6670 Except that LGBT don't include all the aces (asexual, aromantic, agender), the intersex persons, the non binaries folks, and probably some more. Plus the questioning that are unsure (The Q in LGBTQ is for Questioning). Saying that there's nothing else and all bases are covered is just wrong 😅
@@krankarvolund7771 Those are all to me highly irrelevant or don't exist. Intersex is a medical issue, ace isn't a thing, and questioning isn't an identity.
@@Envision_ I don't think autogynephilia doesn't exist at all but to me it's mostly a tool used to deny transition to some and legitility to others. Mostly trans women of course.
I have a minor suggestion if that's alright. I'm a neurodivergent man with auditory processing issues and I sometimes have trouble hearing a few of your words because of the speed at which you say them. There are times when you go so fast that words get a tad jumbled, so I can't parse some things out and have to go back repeatedly (unfortunately the auto-generated subtitles aren't much aid). If you were to slow down a little when reading your scripts or maybe get somebody to write out the subtitles, it could be easier for me to follow along. Hopefully this doesn't come across as me insulting the way that you talk, I've got similar speech issues and I know how it feels to be demeaned for that, so know that that's not my intention. For the most part (like 99% of the time) you're perfectly understandable and no matter what you're always lovely to listen to! Thanks for taking the time to read this and please take my suggestion with a grain of salt, especially if it's not practical for your situation. That's all, love your vids, bye!
(Also, FYI, there is a setting under the 'gear' icon in settings where you can adjust playback speed slower or faster at need. It can sometimes be helpful.)
As a trans man I am appalled by this letter. And to any trans woman reading this, you have my support just like any other part of the trans community. We‘re all in this together!
It’s terrifying that people like Buck angel are at the forefront of resenting trans men. It’s scares and saddened me. As a non-binary trans man I definitely do want more visibility for people like me but not like this. My visibility should not and will not come at the cost of harming Trans women. :( The trans community is supposed to fight together not apart. How he doesn’t understand that I do not know.
So youre non binary & trans...Youre insulting is what you are,along with everyone else in the comments...Youre making people hate you & theres a backlash coming. Ive never known such a tiny minority have so much power over the lives of the majority & still claim to be opressed...You TRA's attack everyone & in 2023 TRA's are holding Women hostage in a classroom...Best of luck with it.
This one is really hard to hear. I first saw a picture of Buck in a “GLBT” Student Services office of my college in 2000. (Yes, it was long enough ago that the G was first in the acronym.) I was a young kid at the time and had very little exposure to any trans person, let alone one in a position like his. I thought he was very handsome in the picture, particularly with all the tattoos in amazing designs. It was not until recent years that his views have been really been brought into the light. This is like losing one of your first idols, though that’s not exactly the word I’m trying to say. Things change over time and there will always be people that fight against the change, but that does not make those who fight correct in their assertions. It only reveals their beliefs and that is it. Personally my transition has had nothing to do with sex. In fact only after my transition have I accepted my degree of asexuality. In other words I am less sexual after transition and am happy with it.
Buck used to be kind of a sex-positive hero. Too bad he seems to have given that up for accusing minorities of being a 'fetish' ...says the ....porn star? (I don't even know if the porn was any good, I just kinda don't respond to porn. Generally I think 'looking at sex is like listening to food, it's all out of context and gross but maybe you could get the general idea if you were starving.' :) )
I am only loosely familiar with Buck but there seems to be this idea with *some* who go into sex work (which is a valid profession, just to be clear) that they are performing & projecting their own sexual neurosis brought on by trauma while young. This has nothing to do with him being a trans-man but, because he hasn't done his own mental/emotional shadow work from abuse or trauma, he projects his unfulfilled needs onto others and somehow that has landed squarely on trans-women. But it also is projected through his own sex work. For some who are being ruled by their deep subconscious needs, they latch onto ideas which will help them with their cognitive dissonance, and I really think he's doing this - maybe because he was bullied and shamed by, say, a father or someone close for being trans, or maybe he was vilified as being just a sexual object, so now he has to project that onto others - it just smacks of neurosis and I wish that boy would get himself into some good old fashioned therapy sessions.
@@timothymclean when I first noticed the change and asked someone the person said “ladies first”. That’s quite the statement, but I’m not sure that is it.
Yesterday one of my techs asked me to take a patient to make her more comfortable. She was a black trans woman and I'm a white trans man. I talked her through the procedure (nasopharyngeal swabs can be very anxiety-inducing) and calmed her down enough that we got the sample. She was a lovely woman and was glad that our lab was specifically trans-friendly. I was happy just to encounter another trans person in the world in a normal way and not at a specifically LGBTQ event. I signed Trans Men Speak. No one can tell you who you are except yourself.
As a trans-masc person, it breaks my heart to see my fellow trans men act like this. There is absolutely NO WAY we will get past transphobia and discrimination, without including trans women, especially trans women of color. You all have done so much for our community, and I couldn't imagine it without you. Our movement has no room for misogyny.
Your ability to express empathy towards these FARTs [Feminism Appropriating Radical Transphobes] shows more patience with them than I ever could muster. Keep being so smart and kind. 💗💜💙
Signed the letter supporting trans women without any hesitation! As a trans man, I love and support my sisters. Thank you for explaining this so well, as you always do.
I thought I could make it until 10 mins until I needed to comment...but Noooo. Buck's characterization that the LGB(T) community knew or accepted Blanchard's typology in the past is utterly bullshit. It's a terrible appeal to historical authority which is simply inaccurate. I remember when the T(rans) was added to LGBT - and while there were many discussions among folks around this, no one ever brought up Blanchard or his quackery.
This is also true. TERFism is kind of counting on a new, spammable generation having no idea how hard they got run off from the LGBT community the *last* time they tried their BS. (And sucking up to Jessee Helms and Jerry Falwell to screw *all* of our civil rights over for decades. Decades I woulda had better things to do in, btw.)
The transphobes of the past were homophobic as well. The people pushing the whole "AGP" doctrine weren't people who wanted to make sure gender-nonconforming kids grew up to be comfortable with their identities, including if that meant being non-gender-conforming gay/lesbian cis adults -- the whole narrative considered any outcome other than gender-conforming cis heterosexuality a failure. It was only years later that they started to say "Oh, it's fine if they turn out to be gender-conforming cis LGB people, too," and I don't even remember how recently some of them started accepting a controlled degree of gender-nonconformity in adults. In the mid to late 80s certain people suggested to my parents that I (then seen as a gender-non-conforming boy) should be put into therapy; I found out later that the particular form of therapy being pushed wasn't affirming care (which was rare at the time, but which would very quickly have identified me as either GNC or non-binary and let me work out the details in a supportive environment) but the standard "everything other than cis het conformity is a failure by the patient" type. (Glad my parents shut that down.)
@@SeaTeaSnow So...you know a few people who describe their experiences as fitting a particular model, so you get to declare that everyone whose experience doesn't fit that model is...what? Lying?
@@SeaTeaSnow Ya, sure, we believe you. and your 'friends.' ....Mind you, trying to perceive yourself as the *wrong* assigned identity and all isn't exactly sexy, so presumably trans people would feel *less* sexual than most people seem to take for granted, among other things, but that's no reason to claim their existence is a 'fetish' if they're less grossed out by ...being more themselves? No, Blanchard and you are 'not right.'
@@SeaTeaSnow have you considered that they’re uncomfortable in a male body and thus less sexually active because of that discomfort? You know, the really simple and basic idea that’s actually supported by science?
Buck Angel has been a trans medicalist gate keeper for years and his signing that letter marks him for the narrow minded weakling he is. One has to wonder if there is some self hate involved and Angel needs therapy to deal with his problems. The phrase many others sounds like the "people are saying" claim a fallacy that there is a multitude supporting him.
These trans men’s anger for being “talked over” by trans women are totally misdirecting their anger. Trans women have done so much lasting good for the community. The “issue” the letter is discussing is just nonsensical, like why wouldn’t they be angry at being misrepresented by cisgender people? Im so sorry to have ever considered Buck Angel someone to look up to, such awful takes
While watching this and hearing about this letter blaming trans women for all these awesome things such as banning conversion therapy made me go “good, thank god for trans women ❤️”
I really can't shake the feeling Buck's grudge against transwomen was when he revenge outed Lana. Blows my mind that a lot of these trans medicalist men would side with terfs so much. Terfs consider trans men confused lesbians, not men and that's pretty scary. Again, I am so happy youtube recommended your channel to me, I'm being educated on subjects I'm not familiar with. Keep up the excellent work Jessie!
I think some trans people will do anything to be recognized as real "trans people" if you can make other people see you're the real one and there is a bunch of fakes you're better off. Personally the trans-medicalist have a lot in common with TERFs. They usually have a more conservative view of trans and gay people so come together with their few differences of opinion.
Funny how other trans men just made me more ashamed of my trans Identity than any bullies I met at school. I swear, I am not in the same community as them! I was totally unaware of the all thing. Buck Angel rings no bell in my country, so thank you Jessie for explaining the whole things so clearly, patiently and kindly, helping me making my own mind about the issue. In any way, to all my trans sisters and siblings out there, Trans Men will fight back indeed, but with you. Also, can we speak about the blatant erasure of asexuality? I am not attracted to women nor men nor NB folks... Guess I should have transition toward a garlic bread leaning Identity...
you think asexuality erasure alone is bad, imagine being an asexual who's allergic to gluten. everyone always talks about garlic bread and cake when it comes to asexuality, and i'm like, wow, thanks, i would throw up until i died. I have literally no community whatsoever where I belong. I'm far more often the butt of a joke for being gluten intolerant than for being ace.
@@detectivewiggles XD I got ya! Actually, I'm trying so hard to ace-pass but... I feel we're in a safe community here so, I can finally admit it after years of silence... I don't like garlic... Like, it's the worst taste out there for me. I've been pretending all my ace life but now I feel ready to live my truth. I am a trans ace man who doesn't like garlic. Maybe we can start a community, you and me? Be proud of our truth.
As a trans man i've felt pushed aside or being seen as "having it better" by *some* trans women. But i am fully aware it's not the mayority of trans women that are this way, that a lot of them do it because of ignorance, and even then i know the erasure of trans men is the fault of cis people and not of trans women. I fully support my trans sisters and i want all of them to be as happy as they can, i hate seeing trans people keep throwing eachother under the bus and try to do pain olympics just to feel better of themselves, it was the main reason i left a lot of trans spaces because i kept seeing that happen or being talked about
As an asexual trans man, all this talk of GD being inherently tied to homosexuality is just baffling to me. I really feel for all the abuse and vitriol that trans women as a whole have to deal with though. We trans men might get ignored a lot in these conversations, but in a way that is kind of a blessing in disguise since we also get much less violence and hatred directed at us.
this is literally how one of the psychologists cited in shrier's "irreversible damage" characterizes gender non-conforming children, he calls them "pre-homosexuals". everything trans kids do is ascribed to this "pre-homosexual gender confusion." If you can deal with wading in the transphobia, reading "irreversible damage" is a really enlightening look into how the think and operate.
As another transmasc individual, I wouldn't say anything about being invisible is a blessing in disguise. We're silenced in these issues and while we don't face as much outward hate, it still exists, and being told we're "confused little girls" is still hate. It's like- our voices are straight up ignored and silenced, and when we do get hate we aren't as able to fight back because we're silenced? if anything I'm saying makes sense. It's a complicated issue!
@@perytonpred2356 I believe you. In taking an overall view of this issue can you see how this is actual closet misogyny perpetuated on you by trans women? There is a reason these aggressive behaviors really are coming from trans women (and their sycophantic straight and binary supporters) and people most adversely affected are expected to "Zip it! Trans women are talking things above you!" are everyone born female. "Shush girl! Men are talking about important things beyond you!" found a new version.
we get less violence and hatred directed at us? did i imagine the entire ongoing "trans men on the internet are forcing girls to destroy their bodies and become freaks" rhetoric that's been a thing for years? did i imagine all the hate crimes?
This whole letter can be summed up as "We hate ourselves, so we're going to take it out on Trans Women instead of getting proper therapy"... And honestly, it's just sad. I can't even be mad because I can't imagine the kind of self-hate they have to push this on to Trans Women like this for simply wanting to be comfortable and live as themselves, like they claim they are doing; living as the opposite gender to be comfortable. Like... the cognitive dissonance is real.
That letter is even grosser than I ever thought even Buck could be. No, Buck, we don't sign this. We don't support any of this. We don't support YOU. Stop pretending you speak for, or represent, trans men. You don't. You're not doing anything to help the trans community. I support my trans sisters, and i understand that they're under a different kind of societal pressure than we are. We're NOT enemies.
When he said "we" I was like, who the fuck is we? I don't put others down as excuse, especially the people who have our backs. Buck is absolutely pathetic because he said he uses his platform to uplift and inspire others but he does anything but that. The best thing he could do is apologize and stop speaking for us because he's done enough damage.
As a trans man that likes men, I feel disgusted and I never knew this happened. It's great that you spoke about this to teach others. I feel honestly gross to be a trans man because of this person, it's toxic and sickening to see this outlook. Thank you so much for talking about this and stating that trans people don't have an agenda to hurt people, we have just an agenda to help people.
As a trans man myself I reject these arseholes. I'm sorry that they continue to be ignorant and choose to side with people who would turn on them without a second thought.
Nb trans man here, off to sign the refuting letter. Thanks for bringing this to my attention, and for managing to end on a hopeful note despite how horrible this all is. I have felt nothing but support from the transfeminine people in my life (including Jessie's videos). I feel nothing but gratitude and support in return. We need each other, and must not let the transphobes divide us!
@@BugsyBugYT That’s a complicated thing to answer in a comment. Non-binary is an umbrella term that means “does not identify exclusively as a man or as a woman”. In my case, I am comfortable being seen as a man, but also being seen as something else entirely, “neither a man nor a woman”. My favorite thing is when people switch between he/him and they/them pronouns, showing that they recognize both as valid descriptors for me.
Buck Angel doesn't speak for me. Sadly I was aware of Buck and his (is it recent?) dive into transphobia (including about himself in a strange way). Perhaps it is recent as he has stopped supporting trans groups, trans surgeries, etc. It angers me that a very priviledged man (trans or otherwise). Yep, he's hardly ignored, by trans people or the wider public. BTW, Buck does appear believe in things like "Rapid onset early onset...". and has presented himself as some sort of trans grandpa, presenting outdated concepts in the hope he can get trans men followers. No way for this trans guy. He doesn't even speak for me as a trans "grandpa" (I'm 73 and don't care for the idea of using age as an excuse to stop growing and learning--prefer term elder though). Thanks for your video (shook me up, but it was excellent).
You've now made me want a trans grandpa lol it sounds like it could be like the 'cool uncle' archetype but better haha I'm just overwhelmed with wanting to inject positivity into this sad turn odd events and your comment was so sweet that I was like aww I want 1! 🧡🦇🧡
@@T0xXx1k I'd more go for the cool uncle thing. It looks like I was calling myself a trans grandpa--oh no, not what I meant at all. What I meant was more I don't use age as a way to stop growing and learning. I try to keep up with the terms and language and try them on myself if they fit. So I'll take you on as a--uh gender neutral for niece or nephew. But thanks for your comment. Kind of made my day.
You probably get this a lot, but I'm so grateful that you're sharing your support and experience. It seems like the only way older trans people ever get a smidge of visibility, is if they're millionaire token conservatives. The rest of us are given the impression that we don't have futures. As much as my friends and I joke about being 'elder queers' in our 30s, it gets us down. I'm glad you're here and I'm thankful you exist.
@@jacineyatrakos3149 blaire claims she's not a woman so we might need someone else well, we DON'T need someone else, but as long as we're trying to figure out who's who
@@QuikVidGuy Blaire doesn't even think she's a woman? Guess that would explain why she straight up made fun of a trans person for not wanting to be misgendered by their teacher. Even Kalvin would agree that's not cool
I feel like one of the most aggravating things about Buck is that, there is such thing as transmisandry! But trans women are hardly the main source of it (though can contribute to it anyway, bc We Live in a Society). We can deal with that problem without throwing trans women under the bus, ffs.
Yep. TERFs practice transmisandry. They misgender trans men as " our lost lesbian sisters!" That's like Christians calling me a "lost little lamb," for my transition lol!
@@darlalathan6143 As much as I love "lost lesbian sister", I think the best terf insult I've had is "spicy heterosexual". Hit the nail on the head, lady, I grew a beard because vanilla het is tired. My asexual non binary partner and I clearly need to have some kind of conversation. These knowledgeable people haven't figured out what that conversation is just yet, but once they do, it's going to be a really awkward one. I can feel it in my water.
Exactly, there *is* transmisandry, and it's frustrating how often it goes ignored or the word is wildly misinterpreted. Frankly, I find that like transmisogyny, it's as much about devaluing women as hating men. They don't talk about grown-ass trans men, for the same reason they don't talk about little trans girls-- infantilising a 40 year man with a job and a mortgage is nearly as awkward as implying a 6-year-old is a sexual predator. A special mention to "lots of these poor little girls are autistic, which means they're incapable of critical thought or making decisions about their bodies." Yikes, sorry, I guess I can't be trans because I'm a r****d, glad we cleared that up.
dude!! before i transitioned i legit got catcalled in the hallway randomly and even had a bunch of guys hit on me (in a very gross way but not gonna open that can of worms) and i hated it so so much, i saw my body as repulsive and changing in a way that i wanted to end and stop only now as im starting my transition have i finally begun to feel happy and fantasize about myself as being as hot as possible (for both myself and my bf X3) and am so happy to finally feel this way
I honestly try to be very openminded towards older queer people and how they choose to refer to themselves. but as a gay transman who just categorically doesn’t fit into these outdated theories and especially as someone who has trauma around being equated to a lesbian and also thinking i myself was a lesbian because of my gender presentation despite having no sexual attraction to women, I feel especially hurt. this kinda gives me similar dysphoria to that one statement a youtuber made where he, a gay man, equated dating transmen to being bicurious. i think being rejected by people you ultimately want to expect you the most (in my case transmen and gay men) hurt infinitely more than being rejected by terfs and other vocal transphobes.
Really good to have a video on Buck. The whole "truscum" vs terfs vs trans folk is an absolute quagmire and it's very brave to attempt to take it on and succeed so well.
Buck Angel was one of the first trans people I had ever heard of as a kid. I had no idea he had so many... Painful, hurtful, and toxic takes. Transmedicalism is the reason I struggled SO much with my gender identity as a kid and why it took me so long to realize that being non-binary is actually a real thing. To hear he supports this and enby-phobic views really hurts. But, I'm very glad I know this about him now so I can put my energy towards appreciating more accepting trans folks such as Jessie!
The "masculinized" and "femininized" brain stuff is a little more complicated than just calling it bad science the way social scientists tend to in modern papers that should be titled "Hot Take: people were really transphobic in the late 20th century." The more nuanced version is that one of the early studies of MRI scans of trans brains showed some interesting things, but was unfortunately framed using Blanchard's language. One of the main criteria for AGP was age based and the study showed some structural differences between transwomen who transitioned before and after their mid-20s (because, duh, that is when brain development happens). Hence the study sounds gross because it is talking about differences in homosexual (straight trans) and AGP brains, but what the data in it is actually saying is that brain sex is a spectrum based on epigenetic factors.
"AGP" is an abbreviation for something that is not a thing. Filtering observations accordingly would ignore real factors and then try to interpret any findings in its own terms, not use the observations to formulate a real hypothesis with a real mechanism. (From context I'm assuming they were measuring visual responses in people of different ages or transition experiences, possibly based on activation to sexual images? Apart from this being notoriously BS even just for gay people, you'd probably have to account more for taste or orientation than say 'THis means there is a fetish in trans people that didn't submit to have sex with their 'therapist' Blanchard.' (And if they did he'd tell them they were just gay people and something was 'wrong' with them for being trans. See how that works?)
@@OllamhDrab IIRC the study was actually done postmortem on patients who had made it through the unreasonable gatekeeping of that era. This was in like the late 80s to early 90s before FMRI was a practical proposition. It was mostly just looking for any uncommon structural differences in trans vs cis brains as well as grey to white matter ratios (which was considered a gendered characteristic at the time). There was some other stuff speculating about a possible link between autism in trans people and a lack of the correct hormones (E for transwomen and T in transmen) during critical periods of development in puberty disrupting calcium channel pathways. AGP is so messed up as a concept that it is easy to dismiss anything that even mentions it, but it was used in medical literature for about 20 years. Mostly to refer to the age of transition of a transwoman (as that was seen as a valid distinction in research) without much of Blanchard's creepy gender essentialism being assumed by use of the language. I think my point is 30 years ago was a bad time to be trans, but there were people trying to do legit research at the time.
@@lordofsparks Ok, well, I think we're talking about different studies, but I think the one you're talking about now may have been by dissection rather than any MRIs or anything to do with Blanchard's crackpottery. Thugh he might have tried to apply his crap to it later, I dunno.
@@OllamhDrabCould be, it has been like 15 years since I read any of this ancient crap. But I'm pretty sure the one I'm talking about was MRI based out of Vanderbilt published around 91. There were a couple of dissection based studies before that but they suffered from very small sample sizes as it is a lot easier to get permission for a high resolution MRI than an autopsy.
My response to people who say that trans women are "biologically male" is that hormones and surgery CHANGE your biology. I WAS biologically male, but now I not. I'm still not the same as a cis woman, but I'm close enough that I would say I'm biologically female.
I tend to agree with this sentiment that although we can't change our sex to the point that we're "female" in the typical sense. Enough changes have taken place that you can't really consider us male anymore Since obviously sex is comprised of a group of things
Seems like transmedicalism is a huge issue especially within the transmasculine community. So many in my community hate themselves for being trans and turn that hatred outwards. They say hurt people hurt people and that's very much the case here. People like Buck Angel and Kalvin Garrah want to not be trans and want to prevent others from loving themselves. It's honestly kind of sad, were it not that they are actively spreading hateful and harmful ideologies.
What makes me especially sad about these kinds of things is how these people try to split the community they could be a part of apart, instead of building it, and in the process all of us, up :( It reminds of the online fights about how "actually trans women are bad because something something growing up with male privilege" "actually trans men can't face transphobia" "actually binary trans people are aren't radical enough" "actually nb people are all fakers" ...except instead of having annoying slap fights on twitter, Buck and co are founding organizations and are putting a lot more effort into causing irl harm to all trans people.
Its the same metal state that allows people to say "They should suffer cause I had to" about alot of shit. Like oh, homeless? Work harder. Oh sick? Take more care of yourself like I do....And in our world its "Oh get hated by cis/hets?...Pass better like I do"...
The worse part is that this is transphobe's fault. People like Buck wouldn't have ever felt the need to throw other trans people under the bus if he wasn't made to believe that these crazy transphobic theories are true or that he was "allowed" to transition because he was a "real transsexual". Is understandable that people are mad at him, but he is just the product of a hateful cis transphobic society, that's what turned him against the rest of his own community
I appreciate you so much, Jessie. You have such compassion, combined with principled boundaries. Yes, the people who wrote this letter are hurting and they are hurting themselves. AND NO, they don't get to wield their pain to harm trans women, non-binary folks, trans men who do not conform to their gatekeeping, children and teens who need affirmative care. I'm here with you in solidarity and love, as a non-binary trans man ❤️
I'm so grateful that you exist Jessie. You personally helped me realize a lot about my gender identity, you're my source of validation which I can't get even from the people who are the closest to me :( Thank you
I wonder what Buck Angel would think of a person like me. He’s transmed, but I’m pretty sure he also doesn’t believe in Non-binary people. I am a trans masc, currently transitioning “agender” (agender mostly because I haven’t found the right term, but agender doesn’t really fit perfectly either. I usually say my gender is “me” but that’s doesn’t explain it properly imo) person. I first learned about what I wanted my body to somewhat be like through highly fetishized porn (futanari and intersex), and then through learning about transitioning. I didn’t have dysphoria until I learned about transitioning and understanding what being trans is. Now my dysphoria absolutely kicks my ass. Would he think I’m not really trans because I had no dysphoria until educating myself? Yeah, he would. It’s horrible because he’s basically just his generations Kalvin Garrah. Buck got his and he doesn’t care if other get theirs, because in his head, why worry about people who aren’t you. It’s a lack of empathy and it horrid.
He doesn't but his opinion, imo, isn't worth anything about who you are as a person. There is nothing new re: non-binary gender. The word andronygnous is an old word which applied to many people. It proves that this is not a new fangled imaginary thing, imo.
Why do you care? Like genuin question why are you even giving this thought the time of day? I have a dark mark tattoo i dont look at that and think of the creator hates me thats not a healthy mindset to have, i think you should care a bit less about what people that dont like us think. (Edit: i cant spell i tried to fix it probs still some errors)
@@SeaTeaSnow Honey, most people experience forms of dysphoria that they don't suspect is a form of gender dysphoria. And then, when they learn it is, all of it clicks and they pay more attention to it - therefore having it a bit more severe. You can actually be aware of your distress and never have a word for it until later on. Today, people are more aware of trans people, so more people realize that there's people like them, and they're free to explore their gender.
It is fucking EXHAUSTING to have to be pulling up scientific reseach papers to constantly be justifying our existance, our feelings, our experiences. And I'm not even trans (at least I think I'm not? I am genderqueer, I know that much, but I don't have a grasp on how to express what I feel without putting my foot in it) I just grew up as a woman, and have had to counter arguements about my own life, capabilities and experiences all my life. I'm just tired of it. Can people just live and let others be?
I can't escape the feeling that there's a whole lot of unrealized envy in this letter. It's likely a whole lot based on the timing of some other recently released videos. Thank you for your very nuanced approach to the issues discussed.
@@DawnOfDragonz well I mean a lot of us started, it's still playing (that's a joke... because it's very long... get it? ...yeah I've watched it twice 🥺)
I think its safe to assume that pretty much everyone in this little corner of the internet either watched it or at least knows about it through osmosis.
So, lemme get this right... Buck Angel and his fellow trans-men letter-writers are basically saying "Yo, trans people - you're doing it all wrong! You need to be doing it like WE'RE doing it!" Isn't that the same sort of rigid, straw-manning thinking THEY originally had to fight against to get to be who THEY are? Memories are short, it seems.
Exactly. Buck and people like him just keep moving the self flagellation goalpost, like just because trans people have become more accepted in recent times, they feel like kids now don't go through hard shit as well.
I appreciate that you included a small part in there that was positive about bisexuals. I know you're aware of bi-erasure and I'm so thankful you mentioned it. Also, I'm aware that this point is a *very small* part of what your video is about. Just wanted to mention it and say thanks.
Jesusssss. That letter is baffling. I don't understand. D....do transwomen not eyxist to them? Do trans people only exist as a reflection of their suffering? (ie: Transitioning as a last resort if you can't stuff yourself deep in the closet.) Lmao I guess I'm just a dummy thembo. In all seriousness this just comes off as Boomer trans folk mad about the fact that they had all this toxicity stuffed in their head and had to scream until they were blue in the face to get doctors to believe them. Instead of being happy to see progress in trans rights, they're angry instead. Maybe I'm oversimplifying, but it comes off as the same kind of energy as people getting mad about student debt forgiveness or free uni.
Coming from this same era where everyone had to be deep in the closet, I absolutely think there's a strong thread of this. I'm not sure it's a conscious thing but I do think many like Buck swallowed all that tripe hook, line & sinker and are too scared or whatever to admit that it's horrible shite, so they have to shove it down other people's throats too or else it invalidates their own worldview. It's called severe cognitive dissonance and I've seen this so many times, and esp if they're coming from a conservative, religious backstory.
Contrapoints has a video on this. It's called "Envy" and it's quite good. Don't drink anything before watching, tho, cuz you're in for an hour and 45 minute ride.
@@DianaAmericaRivero I know XD Watched it same day. It is indeed very good. Probably why that letter and themes touched on in Jessie's video, made me think of that Boomer analogy.
I disagree with calling people like Buck Angel "part of the trans community." I suppose it comes down to semantics, but I'd argue that the trans community is more than just "trans people", it's about, specifically, our "community". Buck Angel is trans, yes, but he also very clearly despises our community and wants to see us tortured out of existence. I feel like that disqualifies him from being PART of that community. I'd say the same about Blaire White and Caitlyn Jenner too. But yeah, very good video!
I first heard about Buck Angel's controversial status from that incident where (among other things) people harassed a random trans kid for passively supporting one of Natalie Wynn's friends in not canceling Natalie for having Buck Angel read one line in one of her videos. Needless to say, anything Buck Angel did was rendered irrelevant by how disconnected most of that kerfuffle was from anything he did. So it's nice to hear about Buck in isolation. That other stuff was obviously dumb, but now I get why people would hate Buck so much in the first place.
Yeah all the transphobic harassment and how you could be mobbed no matter how many degrees separated from it or how small you were really only encouraged people to see that the anger didn't make sense and convinced them to not look into any of it. I know that the screenshots that got sent to me a million times didn't show anything even a fraction as bad as some of the things he's said that were readily available to screenshot that just... didn't get passed around.
I'm a basic cis het who wants to be an ally but ngl I sometimes feel lost trying to understand trans identity and issues, and this letter was one. I appreciate these thorough and compassionate videos. I'm learning a lot.
I had that thought too. On one hand, 🦌😇 has said some nice things about some trans women. On the other, he clearly does not care about their well-being.
@@ImpudentInfidel I think it’d be like at the start, they’d be like ‘yeah, yeah they’re one of the good ones’. And be ‘in support’ of each other but then secretly hate each other and then eventually go to what you said.
as a recently out Genderfluid person this recent misunderstanding of trans and non-binary issues makes me so depressed. i really appreciate this video and all the videos you make. you have an incredible way of explaining complicated topics in a fun way. thank you so much
I feel like the autogynephilia thing is the hyper-turbo-charged version of what bugs me about those "porn for women" images of men doing housework. It's that same sort of, "actually no, and also yikes" where housework being done doesn't turn me on, it's just that when I'm not stressed out, when I'm not with a man who views me as a domestic appliance, when I'm not holding a thousand things in my head that I need to do, I'm way more able to act freely and happily on the things that DO turn me on. I feel like it ties into all kinds of things about people making up narratives about what they observe about female sexuality when they can't just accept that we're humans who like sex and don't like cruelty.
That letter is so painfully white-perspective... if you consider the history of transgender and non-binary identities throughout the history (to even just a cursory level) of east asian, south asian, native american, african, etc cultures, the fundamental flaws of the views in that letter are absolutely glaring.
I truly can’t speak to anyone’s mental state, nor can I claim to know their true intentions but… Buck Angel has always seemed to me like a “pick me” type and very at the least sexist if not out right misogynistic. I can only hope he continues to grow as a person and eventually leaves these harmful stereotypes behind.
Trans guy here. Buck was one of the first trans men I ever stumbled across in the early days of me figuring out my identity. Back when I first figured out I was trans, he was basically one of the only public facing trans men out there. I eventually came across a few others, but I'm not going to lie, he definitely influenced my views on gender dysphoria, or as it was called at that time GID, during those early years, before I went through almost a decade of self-loathing denial. When I finally came out the other side of that decade, I fortunately came across much more open and accepting transmasucline people on UA-cam and I am VERY grateful for that fact. People like Jammidodger, Ty Turner, etc. helped shape my views on the wider trans community this time around. There is a part of me that will always hold some kind of fondness for Buck simply because he was a visible trans man at a time trans men were so rarely seen I honestly thought I was some kind of one-off freak because I had never seen someone like me portrayed in the media in any way, positively or negatively. Beyond that small bit of fondness, though, I find the guy increasingly distasteful, bigoted, and harmful to the trans community as a whole. For him and others with similar views to do this at a time when we, as a community, are being so constantly attacked by TERFs and law makers looking to rile up their bases, is, quite frankly, disgusting. It frustrates me, as a trans man, that he puts stuff like this out with titles that make it seem like all trans men agree with him. We don't. There was a time, over a decade ago, I would have agreed with him but that's because I had very limited access to information about what it means to be trans and the many ways a person CAN be trans. We've come a long way since then and I, for one, don't want to go back to a time when we all had to jump through hundreds of hoops to 'prove' to cis people that we are really trans and that our identities are valid. He is, in my opinion, one of the old guard who had to do SO much just to transition that they feel like EVERYONE should have to go through all of that and it's bullshit, plain and simple. As a person who suffered through most of my 30+ years feeling horrible about myself because I didn't understand why I was the way I was and feeling like I could never transition because it was too hard, or too scary, or that I'd lose my family and have no support, I don't want that for future generations of trans people. I want it to be easier for them, not harder. People like Buck just need realize that science has progressed and society has progressed since they transitioned and that's a GOOD thing, not a bad thing.
Any sympathy for outdated views go right out the bin when they go all out defending conversion “therapy”. Anyone who defends something as malicious and thoroughly discredited as CT is nothing short of a moral monster.
I'm a non-binary person (they/them) and it was super affirming to hear that you can be trans without having surgery. I have trauma associated with surgeries I've had in the past (not to do with gender affirmation) and have been scared to get top surgery.
The True Allies portion was so heartwarming, That was just... I loved it. Thank you Jessie for highlighting the good where bad seemed all around. That made my day.
As a cis father to a trans son i want to thank you for helping me in my journey of understanding and supporting my son's choices. Fortunately he will never have to face the horror of conversion therapy as this has been legally banned in New Zealand
Buck angel was one of the first people who helped me love my trans body. It is heart breaking now having to hear his disgusting views and how he is spreding hate. We should march along with our trans sisters. How dare he demonizes them? And what is he even saying? Trans men are legit but trans women aren't? Like how does it even make sense? I am so disappointed at him.
Listening to this”Letter”, I’m reminded to people who embrace and absorb the first single explanation for their misery that they encounter: religion, diagnosis, politics, etc. In my experience, there is rarely One Root Cause for all of your personal or Society’s ills. There can be multiple issues, and additional issues caused by the overlap of those original issues. It’s sad and frustrating to engage with that mindset.
right? i have full intention to seek out hrt and possibly top surgery. i'm the complete "typical trans man," except i'm a non-binary trans man, not a binary one. whoops!
@@Tendo641 Good luck! I struggled with my identity for so long, because I wanted to transition, but I didn't identify as a woman. It took some very good friends to pull me out of my own head and show me I didn't have to conform to a rigid definition of what a trans person is.
Usually, this level of info dump presented with such passion can be overwhelming, but the data was so intriguing that I didn't even skip forward once. I just don't understand why people can't differentiate sexuality, biological gender, genetic gender, and gender identity, as distinct variables (along with many many more) that make up the human psyche. If I had to guess a root cause, it's because so little information and research have been done on just how much hormones impact our formation, development, and operation as humans.
The first 1000 people to use the link will get a 1 month free trial of Skillshare Premium Membership: skl.sh/jessiegender08211
Can I just reassure you Jessie that when I make it as a writer (currently writing a book) that I will be determined to be as progressive and forward-thinking as the authors King, Gaiman and Atwood.
I know for certain that I will not spare any Terf/Transphobe/Binarist/Transmedicalist from satire or mockery. I even made a character modeled after both Buck Angel and Blaire White, with a bit of Tiffany Tumbles in the self-denying and self-loathing department (and he works alongside with a character expy of Cold-feet Steven Crowder. Hell, I'm mocking all the alt-right shock jock dangerous intellectuals as caricatures in my books).
You and Buck are both partially right and partially wrong. I intend to write a blog where I point out certain facts. But let me make one thing abundantly clear my support for you and your work is not contingent on my agreement with you.
I have taken to task other creators I support China uncensored for example are spot-on about the evils of the Communist Party but very wrong about critical race Theory.
I've written that they're wrong about critical race Theory multiple times and also increase the amount by which I support them on patreon because I think their work is important.
You have such a lot of important things here...
This is like someone telling you they love you before they really rake you over the coals .... out of Love.
Subscribed
Its a star trek reference? I hav some i know it, i can only guess knowing jesse, star trek? Or likely not! Damn youearworm. :P And onscure 90s show? Alf?Mork? Ranma 1/2?
Ok given the topic a live saving earworm.
Down down to Skillshare town, down down to Skillshare town you go my lad(y), ho ho my lad(y).
Did nobody tell Buck that being a man doesn't necessitate hating women?
Self-hatred takes many forms, unfortunately. What I'd like is to find the person or people that convinced Buck he was damaged goods, and get him away from them.
He’s always been an asshole, I think it’s just no longer visibly directed to just his ex-wife and Lana Wachowski.
what makes you believe he hates women? That's quite a thick thing to come to believe about him.
@@fallyn2920 simples, I read his own tweets, heard his interviews, and I heard him insult people based on what confirmation surgery he got. Oh and how he talks about both of his ex-wives, and how he talks about trans-women. Long story short, I actually heard his own words and like that one quote, if somehow shows they’re a dickhead, believe them. Are you a troll or one of those cis-straight fans of contrapoints and believe her that buck angel is harmless? Either way, thank you for informing me you clearly have no idea about this cloud shouter who likes hanging out with terfs and white supremacists.
@@ladygrey4113 contrapoints does not say buck is harmless, she thinks he may be reachable as of the last time she talked about him and is friendly with people she disagrees with. She’s openly said how she doesn’t like how he seems to distance himself from non-binary people. When she first had him briefly in her video she didn’t know much about him at all. This contrapoints bashing and bad faith criticism is counterproductive.
So proud of Buck Angel! Look at him, he’s transitioned into so much of a man that he now thinks he’s been granted the right to police women’s bodies to stop an imaginary reverse-sexism!
👏👏👏 this.
Bless you. I was trying to think of a way to say that, and just couldn't get it, but yes, he's mansplaining to transwomen that they are doing it wrong.
That's genius...
@@CrankyB1tsch The thing is that the majority of toxic masculinity is enforced by other men, not women. It's still a problem, but it's not two sides of the same coin.
All of this!!
As a trans guy let me just say: everything in this letter is utter bull. Trans women have done so much for the trans community, we literally owe them our lives. I'd hate to live in a world where trans women don't exist. This "abuse" is 100% made up, trans women have welcomed me, loved me, and supported me, at every turn. The fact that Angel and his lot can't see that is baffling, and I pity them for it
Same.
Absolutely, on my little, even the most vulgar or aggressive trans women did their best to be helpful to me during the good and the bad times.
Fucking same.
Can we clash sometimes when a trans woman says something that feels wrong or insensitive to trans men or vice versa? Of course. There's so many trans people from different walks of life, we're not all gonna get along with each other. But none of this is inherent to trans men or trans women. Trans women can't get a freakin break. We need to have solidarity for each other because we are our closest siblings, we are the closest in knowing what our experiences are without actually being one in the same. This goes for non-binary people as well (I'm a nb trans guy), but this is specifically for trans women and trans men.
Trans men need to stop blaming trans women for our lack of visibility and support. It's the transphobic society's fault, not our sisters.
We fight together! Not against each other!
YESSSS!!!
I seriously wonder how people like Buck who believe in autogynephilia would react to meeting an asexual, aromantic trans person. I think their faces would melt like the ending of Raiders of the Lost Ark when they hear that I am transitioning for my own comfort and happiness and have no desire for any sexual relationships.
Unfortunately, they would react with two words. "You're lying."
@@seronimo__7735 unfortunately I believe you’re right
I doubt they even believe in ace and aro people.
@@seronimo__7735 I mean, they say that about acespec people already, not much of a stretch to think they'd say it when they're also trans
People like him are aphobic anyways. They don’t see anything past the L, G, and B as valid. And even then they constantly throw the B under the bus.
I'm a trans man that absolutely loathes the fact that trans men and transmasculine people are so often invisible in trans discussion, and discussion that affect us. I hate that no one remembers us when it comes to our reproductive rights/healthcare. I hate that pregnant men are still either a joke, disgusting, or a fetish in cis people's eyes. I hate that no one is talking about how we have the highest rates of SA in the trans community (according to the 2015 trans survey). I hate that trans men activists like Lou Sullivan have been forgotten in discussion of LGBTQ+ history. I hate that people aren't talking about these things, and I am so exhausted because I think I am the only one that cares because I feel like I'm the only one that is talking about these things...
But My trans sisters and transfemme siblings are not the ones I am blaming. I am still devoted to liberating them alongside me. I am still listening and learning and being the best ally I can be to them. I don't blame them for their hypervisibility that largely overshadows trans men because they did not ask to be so heavily scrutinized in their everyday lives. I will always advocate for them, and for us. The solution is to not blame trans women and femmes, but to uplift trans men's voices alongside our sisters/siblings. We won't have trans liberation until every single trans person is liberated. We won't have it until trans men have it, trans women have it, and non binary people have it.
Love your trans siblings. Lift them up. Fight for them. We are all in this together, and are so much stronger as a whole community.
old comment but thank you so much for putting my own thoughts into words!
"I hate that pregnant men are still either a joke, disgusting, or a fetish in cis people's eyes" - they are, because only biological women - FEMALES - can get pregnant. Men can NOT get pregnant. Your reality-bending cult is so bizarre and the vast majority of people aren't having it.
People like Buck Angel confuse me. On the one hand, they are arguing that trans women are pushing people into things like "irreversible surgeries and hormones" but on the other subscribe to the idea that to be trans necessitates having gender dysphoria and "treatment for this medical condition". Like, no matter what, trans women are always the villain.
I think he was in porn-world too long. Also may have mistaken the hard trials trans people went through as a 'worthiness test,' for a life one might well have the impulse to protect others from, ...but forgetting that it's not the 'trials' that make you who you are. You are who you are, however much 'easier' it looks in a world and generation where kids can change Facebook designations and that's somehow maybe bigger than real people are to themselves and each other. The simple fact, though, is those aren't the ones havig medical transitions, And I don't think you need to take people's identities out of their hands to make people realize that you don't have to be 'trans' or 'enbee' ....just to be yourself. And trans people shouldn't be treated like they can be trivialized that way either.
@@dinosaysrawr I mean, blaming the oppressed/victims for their own oppression/victimisation is a long standing issue, from domestic abuse to marginalised groups. It's the path of least resistance to deal with injustice.
@@willowarkan2263 Say it a little louder for the kids in the back. STOP 👏 FUCKING 👏 VICTIM 👏 BLAMING!!!
it's like "ok, I won't rush into this surgery, I'll talk to a therapist, I'll look into my options, take it slow" and then they're like "You have boobs! You're not really trans!"
Yeah, I have boobs, I'm not happy about it either.
Yeah, Buck has seen way too many trans women villains in slasher and suspense movies! He thinks we all wear hockey masks and chainsaw cheerleaders on national holidays, lol!
I'm 46. I identify as non binary. If I had access to gender therapy when I was a kid I probably would have transitioned to male and been quite happy. I never got that chance. As the decades passed the gender dysphoria never went away. I was lucky that I went through menopause at 40 and that helped a lot. Still gender dysmorphic though so I've decided to get top surgery when I'm able to. I don't feel the need to take testosterone because I already look masculine.
Funny thing? I'm asexual. I have never had any interest in sex so how do they explain me? My dysphoria is strictly a discomfort in the meat suit that I've been tossed in.
I would just like to say, as a freshly minted adult(18 y/o) non-binary person it’s so cool to hear about older NB people. I’m also asexual too so that’s even cooler.
I’m a young ace femme Enby, (I switch between masc and femme sometimes, tho) and I cant believe there’s older people like me, this comment made me cry because I know I’m not alone :,)
Always happy to hear from nbs who are older than 35! Good luck with top surgery whenever you get it. - sincerely a 26 y/o bi enby
Hey, shoutout from another over-40 afab enby!
I honestly just figured out that I'm non-binary and genderqueer over the last 5 yrs or so, but it's not very surprising in hindsight - I had some real gender dysphoria back when I was a teenager, I've always been bi/pansexual, and my BFF transitioned about 10 yrs ago... Not to mention how often I'd jumped at doing drag for theatre or Halloween over the years!
The place that I've found I'm most comfortable is just to the masculine side of androgyny, still rocking the goth/punk look I've always had, just a bit harder and more dapper, with less hair. Some days I bind, some days I don't. Sometimes I wear glam makeup, sometimes I don't. Sometimes I do both together! I'm happy, and it's all okay.
I am a comrade in a similar situation. I didn’t come to terms with myself being non-binary until I was 49, about 5 years ago, but I kind of realized many years ago that I didn’t ID was my birth assigned sex/gender (I really pushed down my queerness on all fronts). As I became aware of what this meant I realized that a lot of general discomfort I had about my body was actually dysphoria. While I don’t ID as asexual, I probably am on the asexual spectrum. I ID as pansexual, because my attractions aren’t related to gender or gender presentation.
I am really proud of all the other trans masc/ trans men who joined in to sign the counter letter against what Buck and his friends wrote. Trans women are our sisters, and if they attack trans women, then they are going to have to answer to all of the other trans men who have called them out on their transmisogyny. Transmisogynists do not speak on behalf of trans men and trans masculine people.
Thank you for saying this.
Thank you
That was beautiful.
Right on. I won't allow my trans sisters to be abused
Trans misogynist? 🤔🤨 That’s new to me.
'Accusing' trans women of trying to ban conversion therapy is like... 'accusing' BLM of trying to end police violence... or 'accusing' food not bombs of trying to feed individuals without safe homes... like, what an 'accusation.'
Edited to use person first language- I changed 'homeless individuals' to individuals without safe homes. some activists for unhomed individuals and people without safe housing prefer the term houseless to the term homeless. Me, personally, I feel like the term homeless relates to *my* own experience more, and 'houseless' sort of dilutes it or pretties it up in a way that isn't authentic. Regardless of whether you prefer to use 'houseless' or 'homeless' - for the love of pete, *PLEASE* stop saying 'the homeless' as though people without safe housing are an undifferentiated mass. Its so othering. Sorry that my rant is soooo off-topic to the video... if it does connect back it would be the power of language. ^this f-ing guy's use of 'blahblahblahmales' to describe trans women stings... language is so powerful and i single different word choice can reveal so much about mindsets and the biases or bigotry therein.
Oh wow
@@zekec6088 trying to avoid the term "homeless" is like trying to avoid the term "Latino". Peak of white feminism.
@@zekec6088 yeah as a general rule don't say "the X" but say "X people", as it's used to avoid calling them people, so it dehumanises/depersonifies others
Homelessness is a spectrum too and many are hidden such as living on friend's sofas, but those get missed in many statistics
"Individuals without safe homes" includes far more people than that though, as in includes people who have a home just it's not safe for whatever reason
Everyone still deserves a home they feel safe in, and a body they feel comfortable in too
Buck Angel set himself a transition goal a long time ago: become the quintessential boomer man. He succeeded. Now he is like a toxic, bigoted, grumpy older uncle, yelling about "kids these days" and perpetuating very harmful ideas and outright hatred. What a shame. He could've been a beacon of hope and possibility for many young trans AND non-binary people. Pitiful.
Does NOT speak for this boomer! But yeah I fear he will add to the idea that boomers are out of touch and awful. He's certainly working hard at perpetuating this image.
@@515aleon We know there are good people like in every group and from every generation. It's unfortunate that there are so many loud, and mean boomers set on making everyone miserable including themselves.
The letter leaves the impression that Buck and all the others want to detransition.
That's ageist and hateful.
@@Aster_Risk I see "It's OK to say hateful things against labels when we do it" is alive and well at this channel.
that rly sucks that a transman who isnt afraid to be sex positive turns out to be such a intolerant person, since the trans community could really use the sex positivity movement to see their bodies as positively as they can pre-op
Seconding this sentiment. It would be nice to see more sex positive voices in the trans community who are willing to speak openly about how they and their partners handled sex before, during, and after transition.
Like I have no idea how to handle even the idea of talking about sex with other trans and nonbinary people even though I am nonbinary! Like since my genitalia isn't what causes the majority of my dysphoria, my experience may be completely different from another nb's perspective, whether they be afab or amab, let alone a trans man or trans woman. Like how does one even broach the topic?
As a sex positive trans man: yes.
Trans people need more sex positive voices who don’t attack other trans people.
I wish there was a place and a platform for those of us who want to discuss and help sex positive education for and about us.
I’ll note his sex toys aren’t made out of good materials (some kind of mix of silicone and a porous polymer and mixing materials in sex toys is almost never a good idea let alone using porous materials since that makes it near impossible to fully disinfect the toy) and he likes suing other sex toy makers who make stuff for trans men.
I think what bugs me most is the smugness of Buck's letter.. it's like "We trans men are okay, we're NOT messed up like them trans-women are!!".
It's so weird how people will say that there are AGP trans women and HGD trans women but then refer to all trans women they actually encounter as AGP
It's not confusing, I know exactly why they do it, it's just weird.
As soon as they became men, they immediately start deriding women. And endless cycle of forest fires
But Buck has many trans friends from each side. And he loves them.
As a trans guy, I can't stand people like Buck Angel. One of the main reasons it took so long to fully realize my transness was because of transmedicalists like him and people on youtube. It's awful to see people who've been hurt going on to hurt other people so they can cope with their own insecurities.
@Madison Morgan Yeah I feel like it's some heavily internalized shit. I came out late in the game as trans so I have almost 30 years of lived experience as a woman and know how fucking horrendous that experience can be when it comes to how they're treated in society, so I'm doing the very best I can to avoid internalizing a kind of misogyny that trans guys can just so flippantly throw at trans women.
I'm also realizing it kinda pisses me off that this guy is sporting sculpted muscles and probably more than my lifetime gross worth in *ink* and probably never got in a real fight in his life. while I was skinny androgynous chick defending in real life the people he's punching down at like they aren't *still* subject to real violence over stupid ideas.
same. It's like "you must have dysphoria and must have dysphoria in this way to be trans!" And long story short, turns out I'm not only non-binary, I do have gender dysphoria. I just didn't realise because they presented such a rigid view of being trans.
@@skylarjohnson7779 exactly! They seem to think every trans guy for instance needs to have dysphoria at the idea of wearing feminine clothing else you're not a "true trans"
I dont really consider myself nonbinary like I used to, but I have no body dysphoria simply from wearing feminine clothing. I dont wear feminine clothing outside because I experience social dysphoria and being pre t means a lot of people would think of me as a woman.
@@KalinTheZola I've just never really had a connection to traditional western gender roles, and I tend to unintentionally present as feminine, like... I'm cis but it REALLY bothers me how transmedicalists impose gender roles
To the 600+ trans men who denounced buck angles hate letter: YOU FUCKING CHADS, I LOVE YOU.
I was watching Buck Angel's porn and lemme tell you that I was laughing so hard that my sides were hurting so much. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
as a trans man, toxic masculinity is still a huge issue in our spaces. its a universal experience to “prove” our gender as trans people, but i feel like you get that from other trans men more often than trans women simply because of the masculinity culture both in trans and cis spaces. stupid insignificant things like what color you like or if you wear boxers or panties, because its what happens in cis mens spaces.
I will say early in my transition I had some of this, but only toward myself, and it was rooted entirely in fear of not passing.
Being a trans femboy is hard uwu
I hated pink and dresses growing up ald got called a tomboy
But as I transition I'm becoming more and more comfortable with my feminine side. I don't mind being seen as a guy in a dress, but a girl in anything (dresses or trousers) feels so wrong
Getting chest surgery in a month finally and so excited that it means I'll have any confidence to wear dresses outside of my bedroom. I'm scared of being misgendered even with my beard already
When I was a teenager, I thought I was a straight girl, mostly because I didn't know I had the option to be anything else. I still liked to dress and present in a masculine way, which felt very natural to me. After all, I was attracted to boys, so to feel attractive to myself, I had to look like a boy. Perfectly reasonable, duh.
Once I got older and came to terms with my gender, I started hanging out with other trans guys, and found out that it's common for us to confuse attraction with gender envy. As in, "Do I want to kiss this dude, or do I just want to look like him? Or is it a little bit of both?" I'm sure sapphic trans women experience something similar. And there's nothing weird or creepy about it. Most people want to look attractive, and most people, whether cis or trans, occasionally look at someone particularly sexy and go, "Damn, I wish I looked like that."
You just described the heart of my enby pan panic over everyone from Trent Reznor to that one girl in my one ballet class... Confusion reigns in this house. XD
Nonbinary and I have the "Do I want to kiss them or want to be them?" all the time. For me it's mainly androgynous people of all genders but I guess that makes sense in my case with my identity. I don't care about gender or sex when it comes to attraction in general but other expressions don't confuse me like that.
@@neuralmute Don't call out my feels for Reznor like this 😂
@@Leeqzombie Dude, everyone has those feels over Trent Reznor. It's okay! I'm convinced that even *David Freakin' Bowie* had those feels for Reznor. Watch the video for "I'm Afraid of Americans"! XD
And then get those confusing feels over David Bowie, too. RIP, Starman.
Isn't that just a lack of self acceptance on your part?
As a trans man I fully support my trans sisters and siblings, it's horrible watching people like Buck try and start this gender war when we already have enough hate to fight against.
@@kennethc2466 good bait
@@kennethc2466 Please tell me what Christians are second class citizens and denied rights in western countries?
@@kennethc2466 you're going off on unrelated tangents. Please explain how trans people transitioning into an identity that makes them feel happy, is an expression of hate.
As a non-binary trans man who also advocates for increased visibility of transmasculine issues, I'd like to make it very clear that Buck Angel and his ilk do not speak for me. AGP has never been and never will be a real thing, and trans women are not my enemy. Cis people are at fault for the discrimination trans men face, not trans women. Buck Angel can pretend he cares about his fellow trans men, but he's not fooling anyone seeing as how he believes in ROGD, which is explicitly weaponized against transmasculine people.
I also want to point out that it was the late Lou Sullivan, a trans man, who fought tooth and nail for gay trans people's (a category that includes alleged "autogynophiles") right to transition in the 70s and 80s. There are many trans men out there who have your backs, and it is possible to discuss transmasculine issues without turning to transmisogyny like Buck Angel does.
100% agreed
I'll also note that for very cis people, a lot of the waters have been deliberately-muddied and obscure the fact that the same right-wing and other 'essentialist' forces are gleefully muddying the waters between being trans and simply not fitting in their ever-more restrictive *boxes* in the sexual binary. It's in consumer culture as well as politics in a way it wasn't when I was growing up and could easily pass any 'nonbinariness' in roles or expectations off as style and talents at 'traditionally-boy things'. (Conversion attempts or otherwise being transphobic toward people is never helpful, though.) (Also, yay, transguys. Part of how I knew so many trans people has to do with being involved with them. ) I do think TERFism often plays on the *fears* that all that's happening is that androgynous kids or those with other interests than they're 'supposed' to will somehow just be 'transed' or duped into ...just the other box. But gender roles and trappings don't change someone's relationship to their own *bodies,* never mind *define* it. The Right fears losing all certainty, some fear ending up being forced into just another box. People that have more straightforward problems generate less talk, cause it's them and their bodies. Not so much something to 'debate.'
you can't be a trans man and nonbinary. Either you identify as a man, or you don't.
@@christopherreichle6670 not only are you wrong, but your mom also validated my identity as a nonbinary man when we spent the night together. As your nonbinary father, I order you to go to your room and think over what you've done
@@smultronpojke4010 I see, so you lost and your identity is still invalid
As a black trans man myself I seriously think that everyone, to me, is equal
Except the bigots, right?
Heartbreaking. Buck Angel was such a positive trans icon 20 years ago. The first trans man I saw speaking out so publicly about being unapologetically trans. He did interviews and wrote articles in queer magazines about transness, accepting yourself and sexual positivity. Now he's out here calling trans women "men", using labels like "homosexual type" mental disorder, and advocating conversion 'therapy' (abuse). I have a hard time understanding how someone goes from one to the other. Like, what the heck happened?
Think the TERF movement groomed him. Back then there was no great TERF movement.
perhaps money... or falling for right wing propaganda. Maybe misogyny...
I could imagine trauma and other psychological problems as well.
It's not hard for me. He passes. He fits perfectly into the expectations that have been laid out for being male and has grown separated from the struggles of being a trans person, not longer empathizing or seeing humanity in groups of people he no longer interacts with. The term "pick me" is loathed among right-wing circles in marginalized communities but the shoe fits every time.
He feels that he isn’t fully accepted as a man and does this in order to feel like “a real man”.
"That is where my sympathy stops, and my anger begins"
The struggle of the empath. But a boundary that must be set.
Empathy isn't sympathy, totally different!
Is it just me or does the idea of people thinking being transmale is okay but at the same time thinking being transfemale is bad and dangerous feel rooted in misogyny?
Yup!
Remind you of anything? *cough cough* Baeddelism *cough cough*
No.
No it’s misandry, because it’s the idea that men are inherently dangerous
@@rebeccaelaine2828 it definitely is, and it's obvious. did you even watch the video?
I'm a trans man and I stand with my trans sisters and non-binary siblings. A few loud bigots will not and can not divide us.
Yes that's right my brother, and you're definitely not alone. Let's protect and fight for our trans sisters, and our non binary pals with the love in the world.
As a transman I've felt invisible in society and within the community. For numerous reasons. However never attacked by transwoman. Sounds like Buck and his followers are trying to get more validation through invading others and attacking who they are. Sadly this plays out in many different communities taking al kinds of forms.
The guy who claimed that an equivalent to "autogynophilia" doesn't apply to trans men missed a golden opportunity to tie his theory in with Freud's "penis envy" theory for more comprehensive and cross-cited bullshit. For some reason, I feel doubly offended when people aren't just wrong but also bad at being wrong.
"It's really hard to change a narrative about yourself that you've been told to believe your entire life..." I mean, isn't that what all trans folks do to begin with?
Especially when the whole "an equivalent to autogynophilia doesn't apply to trans men" thesis is scientifically rooted in rigorous "trust me bro, I made it the fuck up" level clinical research. It's literally just, "autoandrophila doesn't exist in trans men because Blanchard says it doesn't".
@@errrktalso ignores the fact that trans men HAVE in fact been accused of "autoandrophilia" and "autohomoeroticism"
I actually got kinda emotional during this video. That letter makes me so viscerally angry. Trans women are literally at the forefront in the fight for trans rights, we have so many female trans activists to thank for putting themselves out there and representing and speaking out for the community. I can't express how trans women literally just existing makes me so proud to be trans, and I'm a trans man lmao. I'm just so grateful for trans women honestly, I wish more trans men were too
The point of trans women getting more visibility than us is funny, because that has been by our own choice.
We *want* to let women of our community speak, actually most trans guys have always gone stealth, and our sisters never blamed them for leaving the community behind. The fact that Buck is so disconnected even from other trans men and is using that against trans women now is kinda pathetic.
@@alexshane5713 Yeah! And what that letter refuses to acknowledge is that most tran women are actually forced to step up and speak out. The two main arguments coming from transphobes at the moment have been trans people in bathrooms and sports, which THEY have made trans women the center of, trans women didn't chose to be the center of the conversations. Not mention, while trans women and trans men receive equal amounts of transphobia, the way in which transphobes present it is different. When a transphobe invalidates my transness by saying things like I'm "just a confused lesbian" or I'm just a damsel in distress that has been "manipulated by the TRAs", they're comments that I can laugh at and ignore. But trans women can't just be expected to stand there and be accused of being perverts/pedophiles who want to "invade women's spaces" and other very serious accusations like accusing them of being trans just to "manipulate women", they HAVE to speak out about those vile accusations.
@@alexshane5713what are you talking about? trans men don't go stealth any more than trans women do. a lot of us don't pass. And also trans people who go stealth aren't "leaving the community behind", despite what some people in the community claim. going stealth is often a matter of safety.
That ending was a breath of fresh air. These topics are exhausting to unpack, and disheartening to think about, but remembering that hate never wins always boosts my spirits and pushes me to keep trying. Part of what makes me sad about Buck is that if he continues down the path he's on, he'll never get to experience the joy of knowing he got to contribute to a world that's brighter and more loving for future trans youth.
Hate has been wining for a damn long time
@@draalttomfp6902 Hang on -- help is on the way; love will win.
@@semperfi818 love would've won but since religion put that idea in the heads of people while pretending to be love it won't happen soon.
@@draalttomfp6902 As may be, but the sooner we start (full disclosure: not only rainbow, but atheist here), the sooner we get better ideas out there and give hope to victims of those organized systems of oppression, especially the young ones who need safe mentors -- and I, for one, am gonna be in there fighting and bringing the light.
@@draalttomfp6902 and not to mention religion also slowed down technological process through witch hunts of scientists and others that thought differently. Who knows where we could have been today without religion? Maybe have flying cars and people able to become who they feel they are at a cellular level, and possibly not have this caveman hate we have. 🤔
These people that think they can save themselves by throwing the rest of the community under the bus are going to be sorely disappointed when they see the next bus is headed their way. What does Buck think would happen if conversion therapy became an acceptable option?
I'm sure it would become the first or only option for many care providers if they believe they can prevent people "from becoming trans". From someone like him I guess it doesn't matter. One more case of "got mine,screw yours".
I have two words for Buck: OK BOOMER!
@@DarDarBinks1986 I suspect he's an Xer, actually. Age is no excuse in his case.
@@OllamhDrab He's borderline. Depending on who you ask, he's a boomer or an Xer.
Some view boomers as 1946-1966, others as 1946-1960 -- in the former case, he's a boomer, in the latter an Xer.
@@SakuraNyan I think these 'generations' have more to do with expectations you grew up with than date per se. (Mind you, there are lots of Xers who got semi-established before the bottom fell out of the real economy.but I'd be more inclined to remind him he's gen X than just say 'boomer.')
@@OllamhDrab 1962 is in the 'grey zone', is my point. I'd label him as an Xer because while WW2 ending is a clear point to define the beginning of a generation, I don't really see anything like that for X, Millennial (my generation), or Z/Zoomers. So instead to me: 1960-1979: X. 1980-1999: Millennial, 2000-2019: Zoomer, 2020-2039: The earlier generations screwed up.
Edit: Also, 2020 seems to be a really strong candidate year for a clear border between people before and after.
"Hashtag bring back the fanny"
I'm from the UK, where 'fanny' is slang for 'vagina', and despite my knowing that that's not the case in the US and that you had shown a picture RIGHT before saying that, I still had to furiously remind myself that you did not mean 'vagina'.
(They're called 'bum bags' over here ftr.)
The shock of a video addressing "transphobic transpeople" but not primarily focussing on Blair White has me astounded! Just when I thought she was the only (prominent) one...
She def needs her own video. Buck Angel is a well known trans man name.
I don't know why Buck Angel fell for this trash. Does he think anti-trans groups won't turn on him in an instant? I don't get why people who've been discriminated against have the overwhelming urge to turn around and do the same thing to someone else, for some false badge of acceptance. He's a fool, and he's going to hurt others. :(
he's an old man who grew up hard and cold to keep himself as safe as he could in a world that required hard and cold and he doesn't want to think of himself as old, hard and cold now that the world has moved on so he treats his way as the best way and allied himself with people who wouldn't tell him he's wrong(and will even give him money). instead of looking eyes-forward he is staring backwards into his own history.... also he was a shitty husband who is two ex wives in one of whom tried to skip on alimony by accusing him of being a woman and voiding their marriage which can't possibly be good for his mental health
tl;dr desperate people will cling on to anything for comfort and trash is often quite buoyant
@@technopoptart I dunno, I'm an old lady from about the same generation, and I grew up with things getting hard and probably learning to be cold. I was never more than a local celebrity about it, but I think this guy forgot some things while being a kinky 'porn star,' (Frankly, I still think people arguing over trivia diverts from the real suffering of real people, not to mention the real violence going on while people argue about flags and labels we didn't even have when *I* was fighting... and I guess he was porning. About all I know about his world is being security for strippers and dancers and escorts, cause I learned to take hits and fight and stuff as a skinny gal before I even knew there was a Pride flag to fly, never mind worrying too much how many stripes were on it when I saw it.)
Nonetheless I think Buck there got too famous in a porn-world and forgot real people are still out here. He's got bigger muscles but I'm not sure he ever used them about what LGBTQIetc people face, regardless of how many letters you stick on us.
I was thinking about the samething. I never understand why people support their own enemy just to attack someone else. This is conteeproductive and will lead to more problem than solution.
@@somik-i3x To my experience, those who lash out at allies a) Don't know what a war is and b) Don't know what is not a freaking war. It's one thing to tell two enemies, 'Let's you and them fight,' ...it's quite another to declare 'enemies' to offer them up as some kind of diversion like abused kids do.
I think similar as to the terf video reasons, From jesse that one. I had it hard bla bla with finding it easir to punch don than up, to. Really he is a terf. Jut worse somehow.
and apearently really the prick he is in the matrix that would throw everyone under the bus to feel better.
I remember as a teenager talking to my mother about how there were girls at my church (High Episcopalian) who wanted to serve at the altar along with boys, and not only some of the men but some very influential women were opposed to that. My mother astutely observed that maybe those women didn't want girls to have any opportunities that they themselves had been denied.
There is a really strong odor of "I suffered, so why shouldn't you?" around this "Trans Men Fight Back" nonsense. That's my big takeaway--other than the conclusion that autogynephilia is the most convoluted nonsense I've ever heard. It makes the doctrine of the Trinity look straightforward.
"It makes the doctrine of the Trinity look straightforward."
omg true! 🤣
God it's nice to have someone else react the way I did to his writing. A couple years ago, I was in a social group who didn't understand why he bothered me. He came off to me as a "trans activist" the way Milo comes off as a "Gay activist" and now both actually are supporting conversion therapy.
Yikes.
Also, Milo recently "came out as straight" so that's where the grift eventually leads. Just wait, Dave Rubin is sure to follow his lead.
I definitely hear this. I am trying to put this video//the letter Buck Angel’s views in conversation with Contrapoints’ response to her being canceled for having Buck Angel read an excerpt in her video “opulence” (this response is in her video entitled “canceling”).
I have to watch it again to more convincingly make my point, but my first impression of Contrapoints’ response was that Buck Angel was a misinformed activist from the past who didn’t have the language to communicate his actual ideas (don’t quote me on that, it’s a basic explanation ☠️) led me to agree with Contrapoints without any further research on my end.
I this comment reminds me that we all, individually, need to do our work to more cohesively work together and complicate matters where they exist.
@@yolddelius6292
Strikes me that the stuff with Contrapoints could have been avoided if people (including Contra) just, you know... listened to nonbinary people in the first place. People were talking about this same sort of behaviour from Buck Angel even then.
I’ll note again he outed his by then divorced ex-wife’s lover to a lot of magazines including Rolling Stones. He also seems to refuse calling her by anything other than her old dominatrix name which she stopped using years ago.
May be a tangent but it struck me: Contrapoints got cancelled HARD for using Buck Angel as voiceover talent in one of her videos. I wonder now if it affected him the same way in reverse? Because at that time, he was willing to collab--albeit to a small degree--with a transgender woman. Which implies that he approved of the video, her channel, and work in general. This manifesto is not the creation of someone who would ever DO that. It feels, at least in part, like a distancing tactic or even strategic revenge. That either Buck got massive heat from his own supporters, and/or took severe exception to Contras explanation of Buck and the whole affair in Canceling and this is his response.
I honestly think Natalie didn’t know who he was beyond him being a popular trans porn star. He’s been a transmedicalist for as long as Ive heard of him (it’s been a hot minute) but it all reeks of sour grapes, like ‘I had to get the surgery so you have to as well or you can’t be in my cool club.’ Natalie could have done with looking into him further but I think a lot of people would make the same type of choice in a similar situation. I doubt Gina Carrano’s shite takes were new but previously most people knew her as a female wrestler and that was good enough.
I hope someone in Buck’s ingroup confronts him with this because he needs to be a bit more uncomfortable with his Boomer lifestyle.
Lots of people will do business or even hang out with people they categorically don’t respect. I doubt Bucky boy had any particularly deep knowledge of or interest in Natalie’s channel, or he may have known her vaguely as someone in the community who is willing to engage with conservatives and the uninformed, which he would likely see as a commonality. Like so many things, he started out progressive on the “having a conversation with people who are hostile to you” front (which is great if you have the privilege of doing so safely and sanely), then got real weird when he got old.
The funny thing is, not only is Contrapoints a gay trans woman, she also made a super good video debunking autogynephilia in 2018
Or maybe Buck is just an awful person no one should've endorsed in the first place.
Afaik not Natalie but Theryn Meyer casted Buck for that Video, she was Natalie's co-producer (and girlfriend) at that time.
I'm a cis woman, not related but I want your dress. Anyway, thank you for the bi validation and opening my eyes about Buck Angel. I found him iffy for quite some time. I saw his documentary a few years ago and it grossed me out when he more or less said other trans people should pull themselves up by their boot straps to medically transition because that's what he had to do without help. I never understood that mentality of " I had to struggle and so should you. " Like, really? One would think it would make you more empathetic and want others to have more access to medical care.
I remember stop caring aboit buck angel' s opinions when he was like "we only need lgbtt, no other letters needed". Some oppressed people are really content with the slightest amount of acceptance and are ready to go against any other oppressed minority.
Well, technically we don't *need* them, but if likely coming up 'I' bollixes up someone's VOight-Kamf test, so to speak, go ahead. (Funny enough, despite all the bloodwork I've had trying to figure out my endocrine system, they just don't test about those chromosomes they're always on about unless that's the only way to explain one test and syndrome. Or if you're in the Olympics, I guess.) In my case, after fifty years of the impossible being eliminated, though, I may well be in the "I" category. Possibly a very improbable mosaic chimera. But if there are equal rights for LGBTQ people, then all's I gotta worry about is never knowing my blood type today or some autoimmune stuff. :) (Frankly, knwing more about intersex stuff, of which transness may be a developmental form, would probably save a lot of people a lot of grief, but right now people don't want to freaking mask up or vaccinate in a damn pandemic.) :)
So, you stopped caring when he had an opinion that makes sense?
Edit: By this, I mean that we do only need LGBT. There's nothing else to account for - all bases are covered and the new additions don't make sense or inherently cause issues of reinforcement of sexist stereotypes.
It is really depressing and discouraging seeing in-fighting of all things... as if we don't have enough of it already.
@@christopherreichle6670 Except that LGBT don't include all the aces (asexual, aromantic, agender), the intersex persons, the non binaries folks, and probably some more. Plus the questioning that are unsure (The Q in LGBTQ is for Questioning).
Saying that there's nothing else and all bases are covered is just wrong 😅
@@krankarvolund7771 Those are all to me highly irrelevant or don't exist. Intersex is a medical issue, ace isn't a thing, and questioning isn't an identity.
I've heard of autogynophelia in a psychology class, a few years ago. My professor saw it as outdated propaganda.
It was always propaganda, from one discredited dude: never actually was 'in date.'
Science Marches On, lol!
@@OllamhDrab It never caught on?? LOL! Scientists are smart!
Good professor
@@Envision_ I don't think autogynephilia doesn't exist at all but to me it's mostly a tool used to deny transition to some and legitility to others. Mostly trans women of course.
I have a minor suggestion if that's alright. I'm a neurodivergent man with auditory processing issues and I sometimes have trouble hearing a few of your words because of the speed at which you say them. There are times when you go so fast that words get a tad jumbled, so I can't parse some things out and have to go back repeatedly (unfortunately the auto-generated subtitles aren't much aid). If you were to slow down a little when reading your scripts or maybe get somebody to write out the subtitles, it could be easier for me to follow along. Hopefully this doesn't come across as me insulting the way that you talk, I've got similar speech issues and I know how it feels to be demeaned for that, so know that that's not my intention. For the most part (like 99% of the time) you're perfectly understandable and no matter what you're always lovely to listen to!
Thanks for taking the time to read this and please take my suggestion with a grain of salt, especially if it's not practical for your situation. That's all, love your vids, bye!
Hello! How you doing?
I don't know if this could help you, but you can change the video's reproduction speed. 0,75x doesn't sound or look much weird.
As Twiceslicer said, I often listen to UA-camrs at 0.75x or even 0.5x speed for similar reasons. Sometimes I just can't keep up.
Not to say I wouldn't love to see subtitles or maybe a transcript made available for us. I totally would!
(Also, FYI, there is a setting under the 'gear' icon in settings where you can adjust playback speed slower or faster at need. It can sometimes be helpful.)
captions or a transcript would be so helpful yes!
As a trans man I am appalled by this letter. And to any trans woman reading this, you have my support just like any other part of the trans community. We‘re all in this together!
It’s terrifying that people like Buck angel are at the forefront of resenting trans men. It’s scares and saddened me. As a non-binary trans man I definitely do want more visibility for people like me but not like this. My visibility should not and will not come at the cost of harming Trans women. :( The trans community is supposed to fight together not apart. How he doesn’t understand that I do not know.
So youre non binary & trans...Youre insulting is what you are,along with everyone else in the comments...Youre making people hate you & theres a backlash coming.
Ive never known such a tiny minority have so much power over the lives of the majority & still claim to be opressed...You TRA's attack everyone & in 2023 TRA's are holding Women hostage in a classroom...Best of luck with it.
Explain non-binary to me please. How do you express that you are neither gender? And if that’s the case, how are you also a “trans-man”?
This one is really hard to hear. I first saw a picture of Buck in a “GLBT” Student Services office of my college in 2000. (Yes, it was long enough ago that the G was first in the acronym.) I was a young kid at the time and had very little exposure to any trans person, let alone one in a position like his. I thought he was very handsome in the picture, particularly with all the tattoos in amazing designs. It was not until recent years that his views have been really been brought into the light. This is like losing one of your first idols, though that’s not exactly the word I’m trying to say. Things change over time and there will always be people that fight against the change, but that does not make those who fight correct in their assertions. It only reveals their beliefs and that is it. Personally my transition has had nothing to do with sex. In fact only after my transition have I accepted my degree of asexuality. In other words I am less sexual after transition and am happy with it.
Buck used to be kind of a sex-positive hero. Too bad he seems to have given that up for accusing minorities of being a 'fetish' ...says the ....porn star? (I don't even know if the porn was any good, I just kinda don't respond to porn. Generally I think 'looking at sex is like listening to food, it's all out of context and gross but maybe you could get the general idea if you were starving.' :) )
@@OllamhDrab lol "looking at sex is like listening to food." What a wonderful turn of phrase :) I love it
I am only loosely familiar with Buck but there seems to be this idea with *some* who go into sex work (which is a valid profession, just to be clear) that they are performing & projecting their own sexual neurosis brought on by trauma while young. This has nothing to do with him being a trans-man but, because he hasn't done his own mental/emotional shadow work from abuse or trauma, he projects his unfulfilled needs onto others and somehow that has landed squarely on trans-women. But it also is projected through his own sex work. For some who are being ruled by their deep subconscious needs, they latch onto ideas which will help them with their cognitive dissonance, and I really think he's doing this - maybe because he was bullied and shamed by, say, a father or someone close for being trans, or maybe he was vilified as being just a sexual object, so now he has to project that onto others - it just smacks of neurosis and I wish that boy would get himself into some good old fashioned therapy sessions.
Random aside, but does anyone know why the acronym changed?
@@timothymclean when I first noticed the change and asked someone the person said “ladies first”. That’s quite the statement, but I’m not sure that is it.
Yesterday one of my techs asked me to take a patient to make her more comfortable. She was a black trans woman and I'm a white trans man. I talked her through the procedure (nasopharyngeal swabs can be very anxiety-inducing) and calmed her down enough that we got the sample. She was a lovely woman and was glad that our lab was specifically trans-friendly. I was happy just to encounter another trans person in the world in a normal way and not at a specifically LGBTQ event.
I signed Trans Men Speak. No one can tell you who you are except yourself.
As a trans-masc person, it breaks my heart to see my fellow trans men act like this. There is absolutely NO WAY we will get past transphobia and discrimination, without including trans women, especially trans women of color. You all have done so much for our community, and I couldn't imagine it without you. Our movement has no room for misogyny.
Your ability to express empathy towards these FARTs [Feminism Appropriating Radical Transphobes] shows more patience with them than I ever could muster. Keep being so smart and kind. 💗💜💙
Lol I've never heard that acronym before but I love it! XD
I call them TEA bags. Trans Excluding A$$hat/a$$h@le Bags.
FARTS 😂
This acronym!! 😭
Agreed on that.
Signed the letter supporting trans women without any hesitation! As a trans man, I love and support my sisters. Thank you for explaining this so well, as you always do.
I thought I could make it until 10 mins until I needed to comment...but Noooo. Buck's characterization that the LGB(T) community knew or accepted Blanchard's typology in the past is utterly bullshit. It's a terrible appeal to historical authority which is simply inaccurate. I remember when the T(rans) was added to LGBT - and while there were many discussions among folks around this, no one ever brought up Blanchard or his quackery.
This is also true. TERFism is kind of counting on a new, spammable generation having no idea how hard they got run off from the LGBT community the *last* time they tried their BS. (And sucking up to Jessee Helms and Jerry Falwell to screw *all* of our civil rights over for decades. Decades I woulda had better things to do in, btw.)
The transphobes of the past were homophobic as well. The people pushing the whole "AGP" doctrine weren't people who wanted to make sure gender-nonconforming kids grew up to be comfortable with their identities, including if that meant being non-gender-conforming gay/lesbian cis adults -- the whole narrative considered any outcome other than gender-conforming cis heterosexuality a failure. It was only years later that they started to say "Oh, it's fine if they turn out to be gender-conforming cis LGB people, too," and I don't even remember how recently some of them started accepting a controlled degree of gender-nonconformity in adults. In the mid to late 80s certain people suggested to my parents that I (then seen as a gender-non-conforming boy) should be put into therapy; I found out later that the particular form of therapy being pushed wasn't affirming care (which was rare at the time, but which would very quickly have identified me as either GNC or non-binary and let me work out the details in a supportive environment) but the standard "everything other than cis het conformity is a failure by the patient" type. (Glad my parents shut that down.)
@@SeaTeaSnow So...you know a few people who describe their experiences as fitting a particular model, so you get to declare that everyone whose experience doesn't fit that model is...what? Lying?
@@SeaTeaSnow Ya, sure, we believe you. and your 'friends.' ....Mind you, trying to perceive yourself as the *wrong* assigned identity and all isn't exactly sexy, so presumably trans people would feel *less* sexual than most people seem to take for granted, among other things, but that's no reason to claim their existence is a 'fetish' if they're less grossed out by ...being more themselves? No, Blanchard and you are 'not right.'
@@SeaTeaSnow have you considered that they’re uncomfortable in a male body and thus less sexually active because of that discomfort? You know, the really simple and basic idea that’s actually supported by science?
Buck Angel has been a trans medicalist gate keeper for years and his signing that letter marks him for the narrow minded weakling he is. One has to wonder if there is some self hate involved and Angel needs therapy to deal with his problems. The phrase many others sounds like the "people are saying" claim a fallacy that there is a multitude supporting him.
Trans guy here: I wish I could give all trans ladies a huge hug, cause y’all deserve the world!! Ahhhhhh I love you!!!!
Ok, have a nice day
Trans women are Queens. And this is coming from a Genderfluid.
These trans men’s anger for being “talked over” by trans women are totally misdirecting their anger. Trans women have done so much lasting good for the community. The “issue” the letter is discussing is just nonsensical, like why wouldn’t they be angry at being misrepresented by cisgender people? Im so sorry to have ever considered Buck Angel someone to look up to, such awful takes
While watching this and hearing about this letter blaming trans women for all these awesome things such as banning conversion therapy made me go “good, thank god for trans women ❤️”
I really can't shake the feeling Buck's grudge against transwomen was when he revenge outed Lana.
Blows my mind that a lot of these trans medicalist men would side with terfs so much. Terfs consider trans men confused lesbians, not men and that's pretty scary.
Again, I am so happy youtube recommended your channel to me, I'm being educated on subjects I'm not familiar with. Keep up the excellent work Jessie!
I think some trans people will do anything to be recognized as real "trans people" if you can make other people see you're the real one and there is a bunch of fakes you're better off.
Personally the trans-medicalist have a lot in common with TERFs. They usually have a more conservative view of trans and gay people so come together with their few differences of opinion.
Funny how other trans men just made me more ashamed of my trans Identity than any bullies I met at school. I swear, I am not in the same community as them!
I was totally unaware of the all thing. Buck Angel rings no bell in my country, so thank you Jessie for explaining the whole things so clearly, patiently and kindly, helping me making my own mind about the issue.
In any way, to all my trans sisters and siblings out there, Trans Men will fight back indeed, but with you.
Also, can we speak about the blatant erasure of asexuality? I am not attracted to women nor men nor NB folks... Guess I should have transition toward a garlic bread leaning Identity...
Oh god, right? I often times feel ashamed to be a trans man when Buck fucking Angel is the kind of representation we get.
you think asexuality erasure alone is bad, imagine being an asexual who's allergic to gluten. everyone always talks about garlic bread and cake when it comes to asexuality, and i'm like, wow, thanks, i would throw up until i died. I have literally no community whatsoever where I belong. I'm far more often the butt of a joke for being gluten intolerant than for being ace.
@@detectivewiggles XD I got ya! Actually, I'm trying so hard to ace-pass but... I feel we're in a safe community here so, I can finally admit it after years of silence... I don't like garlic...
Like, it's the worst taste out there for me. I've been pretending all my ace life but now I feel ready to live my truth. I am a trans ace man who doesn't like garlic. Maybe we can start a community, you and me? Be proud of our truth.
@@gideongrace1977 the only trans man rep i acknowledge is people like Jammidodger, Sam Collins, Noah Fiance etc
@@detectivewiggles dragons are glutenfree ;)
As a trans man i've felt pushed aside or being seen as "having it better" by *some* trans women. But i am fully aware it's not the mayority of trans women that are this way, that a lot of them do it because of ignorance, and even then i know the erasure of trans men is the fault of cis people and not of trans women. I fully support my trans sisters and i want all of them to be as happy as they can, i hate seeing trans people keep throwing eachother under the bus and try to do pain olympics just to feel better of themselves, it was the main reason i left a lot of trans spaces because i kept seeing that happen or being talked about
As an asexual trans man, all this talk of GD being inherently tied to homosexuality is just baffling to me. I really feel for all the abuse and vitriol that trans women as a whole have to deal with though. We trans men might get ignored a lot in these conversations, but in a way that is kind of a blessing in disguise since we also get much less violence and hatred directed at us.
this is literally how one of the psychologists cited in shrier's "irreversible damage" characterizes gender non-conforming children, he calls them "pre-homosexuals". everything trans kids do is ascribed to this "pre-homosexual gender confusion." If you can deal with wading in the transphobia, reading "irreversible damage" is a really enlightening look into how the think and operate.
Because you don't force yourselves on women.
As another transmasc individual, I wouldn't say anything about being invisible is a blessing in disguise. We're silenced in these issues and while we don't face as much outward hate, it still exists, and being told we're "confused little girls" is still hate. It's like- our voices are straight up ignored and silenced, and when we do get hate we aren't as able to fight back because we're silenced? if anything I'm saying makes sense. It's a complicated issue!
@@perytonpred2356 I believe you. In taking an overall view of this issue can you see how this is actual closet misogyny perpetuated on you by trans women? There is a reason these aggressive behaviors really are coming from trans women (and their sycophantic straight and binary supporters) and people most adversely affected are expected to "Zip it! Trans women are talking things above you!" are everyone born female.
"Shush girl! Men are talking about important things beyond you!" found a new version.
we get less violence and hatred directed at us? did i imagine the entire ongoing "trans men on the internet are forcing girls to destroy their bodies and become freaks" rhetoric that's been a thing for years? did i imagine all the hate crimes?
This whole letter can be summed up as "We hate ourselves, so we're going to take it out on Trans Women instead of getting proper therapy"... And honestly, it's just sad. I can't even be mad because I can't imagine the kind of self-hate they have to push this on to Trans Women like this for simply wanting to be comfortable and live as themselves, like they claim they are doing; living as the opposite gender to be comfortable. Like... the cognitive dissonance is real.
That letter is even grosser than I ever thought even Buck could be. No, Buck, we don't sign this. We don't support any of this. We don't support YOU. Stop pretending you speak for, or represent, trans men. You don't. You're not doing anything to help the trans community.
I support my trans sisters, and i understand that they're under a different kind of societal pressure than we are. We're NOT enemies.
When he said "we" I was like, who the fuck is we? I don't put others down as excuse, especially the people who have our backs. Buck is absolutely pathetic because he said he uses his platform to uplift and inspire others but he does anything but that. The best thing he could do is apologize and stop speaking for us because he's done enough damage.
As a trans man that likes men, I feel disgusted and I never knew this happened. It's great that you spoke about this to teach others. I feel honestly gross to be a trans man because of this person, it's toxic and sickening to see this outlook.
Thank you so much for talking about this and stating that trans people don't have an agenda to hurt people, we have just an agenda to help people.
Don’t feel gross. Get angry! Buck’s the only one who deserves mountains of revulsion. 💜
As a trans man myself I reject these arseholes. I'm sorry that they continue to be ignorant and choose to side with people who would turn on them without a second thought.
Trans people are turning on buck and other trans people 💀so why would he side with the trans community? He might as well speak his truth.
Nb trans man here, off to sign the refuting letter. Thanks for bringing this to my attention, and for managing to end on a hopeful note despite how horrible this all is. I have felt nothing but support from the transfeminine people in my life (including Jessie's videos). I feel nothing but gratitude and support in return. We need each other, and must not let the transphobes divide us!
how can you be a trans man and non binary? i dont mean that in a mean way i genuinely want to know
@@BugsyBugYT That’s a complicated thing to answer in a comment. Non-binary is an umbrella term that means “does not identify exclusively as a man or as a woman”. In my case, I am comfortable being seen as a man, but also being seen as something else entirely, “neither a man nor a woman”. My favorite thing is when people switch between he/him and they/them pronouns, showing that they recognize both as valid descriptors for me.
@@alexh9333 oh mk thanks for telling me I wasnt aware someone could be nb and also another gender
Buck Angel doesn't speak for me. Sadly I was aware of Buck and his (is it recent?) dive into transphobia (including about himself in a strange way). Perhaps it is recent as he has stopped supporting trans groups, trans surgeries, etc. It angers me that a very priviledged man (trans or otherwise). Yep, he's hardly ignored, by trans people or the wider public. BTW, Buck does appear believe in things like "Rapid onset early onset...". and has presented himself as some sort of trans grandpa, presenting outdated concepts in the hope he can get trans men followers. No way for this trans guy. He doesn't even speak for me as a trans "grandpa" (I'm 73 and don't care for the idea of using age as an excuse to stop growing and learning--prefer term elder though). Thanks for your video (shook me up, but it was excellent).
You've now made me want a trans grandpa lol it sounds like it could be like the 'cool uncle' archetype but better haha I'm just overwhelmed with wanting to inject positivity into this sad turn odd events and your comment was so sweet that I was like aww I want 1! 🧡🦇🧡
@@T0xXx1k I'd more go for the cool uncle thing. It looks like I was calling myself a trans grandpa--oh no, not what I meant at all. What I meant was more I don't use age as a way to stop growing and learning. I try to keep up with the terms and language and try them on myself if they fit. So I'll take you on as a--uh gender neutral for niece or nephew. But thanks for your comment. Kind of made my day.
@@515aleon a gender neutral term for that is nibbling...
@@vitazissel3671 Okay that works. I like it too.
You probably get this a lot, but I'm so grateful that you're sharing your support and experience. It seems like the only way older trans people ever get a smidge of visibility, is if they're millionaire token conservatives. The rest of us are given the impression that we don't have futures. As much as my friends and I joke about being 'elder queers' in our 30s, it gets us down. I'm glad you're here and I'm thankful you exist.
Good lord, and I thought Kalvin Garrah was bad. It sounds like Buck just wants to be the only trans person in existence
Lol for trans woman equivalent would probably be Blaire white
They all follow each other and that's insane
@@jacineyatrakos3149 blaire claims she's not a woman so we might need someone else
well, we DON'T need someone else, but as long as we're trying to figure out who's who
@@QuikVidGuy Blaire doesn't even think she's a woman? Guess that would explain why she straight up made fun of a trans person for not wanting to be misgendered by their teacher. Even Kalvin would agree that's not cool
I feel like one of the most aggravating things about Buck is that, there is such thing as transmisandry! But trans women are hardly the main source of it (though can contribute to it anyway, bc We Live in a Society). We can deal with that problem without throwing trans women under the bus, ffs.
Yep. TERFs practice transmisandry. They misgender trans men as " our lost lesbian sisters!" That's like Christians calling me a "lost little lamb," for my transition lol!
@@darlalathan6143 As much as I love "lost lesbian sister", I think the best terf insult I've had is "spicy heterosexual". Hit the nail on the head, lady, I grew a beard because vanilla het is tired.
My asexual non binary partner and I clearly need to have some kind of conversation. These knowledgeable people haven't figured out what that conversation is just yet, but once they do, it's going to be a really awkward one. I can feel it in my water.
Exactly, there *is* transmisandry, and it's frustrating how often it goes ignored or the word is wildly misinterpreted. Frankly, I find that like transmisogyny, it's as much about devaluing women as hating men. They don't talk about grown-ass trans men, for the same reason they don't talk about little trans girls-- infantilising a 40 year man with a job and a mortgage is nearly as awkward as implying a 6-year-old is a sexual predator.
A special mention to "lots of these poor little girls are autistic, which means they're incapable of critical thought or making decisions about their bodies." Yikes, sorry, I guess I can't be trans because I'm a r****d, glad we cleared that up.
dude!! before i transitioned i legit got catcalled in the hallway randomly and even had a bunch of guys hit on me (in a very gross way but not gonna open that can of worms) and i hated it so so much, i saw my body as repulsive and changing in a way that i wanted to end and stop
only now as im starting my transition have i finally begun to feel happy and fantasize about myself as being as hot as possible (for both myself and my bf X3) and am so happy to finally feel this way
I honestly try to be very openminded towards older queer people and how they choose to refer to themselves.
but as a gay transman who just categorically doesn’t fit into these outdated theories and especially as someone who has trauma around being equated to a lesbian and also thinking i myself was a lesbian because of my gender presentation despite having no sexual attraction to women, I feel especially hurt.
this kinda gives me similar dysphoria to that one statement a youtuber made where he, a gay man, equated dating transmen to being bicurious. i think being rejected by people you ultimately want to expect you the most (in my case transmen and gay men) hurt infinitely more than being rejected by terfs and other vocal transphobes.
Really good to have a video on Buck. The whole "truscum" vs terfs vs trans folk is an absolute quagmire and it's very brave to attempt to take it on and succeed so well.
Buck Angel was one of the first trans people I had ever heard of as a kid. I had no idea he had so many... Painful, hurtful, and toxic takes. Transmedicalism is the reason I struggled SO much with my gender identity as a kid and why it took me so long to realize that being non-binary is actually a real thing. To hear he supports this and enby-phobic views really hurts. But, I'm very glad I know this about him now so I can put my energy towards appreciating more accepting trans folks such as Jessie!
The "masculinized" and "femininized" brain stuff is a little more complicated than just calling it bad science the way social scientists tend to in modern papers that should be titled "Hot Take: people were really transphobic in the late 20th century." The more nuanced version is that one of the early studies of MRI scans of trans brains showed some interesting things, but was unfortunately framed using Blanchard's language. One of the main criteria for AGP was age based and the study showed some structural differences between transwomen who transitioned before and after their mid-20s (because, duh, that is when brain development happens). Hence the study sounds gross because it is talking about differences in homosexual (straight trans) and AGP brains, but what the data in it is actually saying is that brain sex is a spectrum based on epigenetic factors.
"AGP" is an abbreviation for something that is not a thing. Filtering observations accordingly would ignore real factors and then try to interpret any findings in its own terms, not use the observations to formulate a real hypothesis with a real mechanism. (From context I'm assuming they were measuring visual responses in people of different ages or transition experiences, possibly based on activation to sexual images? Apart from this being notoriously BS even just for gay people, you'd probably have to account more for taste or orientation than say 'THis means there is a fetish in trans people that didn't submit to have sex with their 'therapist' Blanchard.' (And if they did he'd tell them they were just gay people and something was 'wrong' with them for being trans. See how that works?)
@@OllamhDrab IIRC the study was actually done postmortem on patients who had made it through the unreasonable gatekeeping of that era. This was in like the late 80s to early 90s before FMRI was a practical proposition. It was mostly just looking for any uncommon structural differences in trans vs cis brains as well as grey to white matter ratios (which was considered a gendered characteristic at the time). There was some other stuff speculating about a possible link between autism in trans people and a lack of the correct hormones (E for transwomen and T in transmen) during critical periods of development in puberty disrupting calcium channel pathways. AGP is so messed up as a concept that it is easy to dismiss anything that even mentions it, but it was used in medical literature for about 20 years. Mostly to refer to the age of transition of a transwoman (as that was seen as a valid distinction in research) without much of Blanchard's creepy gender essentialism being assumed by use of the language. I think my point is 30 years ago was a bad time to be trans, but there were people trying to do legit research at the time.
@@lordofsparks Ok, well, I think we're talking about different studies, but I think the one you're talking about now may have been by dissection rather than any MRIs or anything to do with Blanchard's crackpottery. Thugh he might have tried to apply his crap to it later, I dunno.
@@OllamhDrabCould be, it has been like 15 years since I read any of this ancient crap. But I'm pretty sure the one I'm talking about was MRI based out of Vanderbilt published around 91. There were a couple of dissection based studies before that but they suffered from very small sample sizes as it is a lot easier to get permission for a high resolution MRI than an autopsy.
@@lordofsparks Btw, nonetheless, 'Autogynephilia' still isn't a thing or a real phenomenon.
Me before watching the video: How can a transman be a TERF? That’s literally impossible!
Me after: I wish I still didn’t know…
My response to people who say that trans women are "biologically male" is that hormones and surgery CHANGE your biology. I WAS biologically male, but now I not. I'm still not the same as a cis woman, but I'm close enough that I would say I'm biologically female.
I tend to agree with this sentiment that although we can't change our sex to the point that we're "female" in the typical sense.
Enough changes have taken place that you can't really consider us male anymore
Since obviously sex is comprised of a group of things
@@LeahBeth_1997 okay transphobe. Go back to getting off to white supremacists
@@LeahBeth_1997 Steven crowder and Matt walsh are literally Alt righters you ignorant transphobe
@@LeahBeth_1997 to deny the racism of crowder and walsh only show that you are a supporter of their views
@@LeahBeth_1997 And you literally are a transphobe. That's not an insult. That's a fact. Given what you have said
Seems like transmedicalism is a huge issue especially within the transmasculine community. So many in my community hate themselves for being trans and turn that hatred outwards. They say hurt people hurt people and that's very much the case here. People like Buck Angel and Kalvin Garrah want to not be trans and want to prevent others from loving themselves. It's honestly kind of sad, were it not that they are actively spreading hateful and harmful ideologies.
What makes me especially sad about these kinds of things is how these people try to split the community they could be a part of apart, instead of building it, and in the process all of us, up :( It reminds of the online fights about how "actually trans women are bad because something something growing up with male privilege" "actually trans men can't face transphobia" "actually binary trans people are aren't radical enough" "actually nb people are all fakers"
...except instead of having annoying slap fights on twitter, Buck and co are founding organizations and are putting a lot more effort into causing irl harm to all trans people.
Its the same metal state that allows people to say "They should suffer cause I had to" about alot of shit. Like oh, homeless? Work harder. Oh sick? Take more care of yourself like I do....And in our world its "Oh get hated by cis/hets?...Pass better like I do"...
The worse part is that this is transphobe's fault. People like Buck wouldn't have ever felt the need to throw other trans people under the bus if he wasn't made to believe that these crazy transphobic theories are true or that he was "allowed" to transition because he was a "real transsexual".
Is understandable that people are mad at him, but he is just the product of a hateful cis transphobic society, that's what turned him against the rest of his own community
@@alexshane5713 We did expect better of him, is all.
I appreciate you so much, Jessie. You have such compassion, combined with principled boundaries. Yes, the people who wrote this letter are hurting and they are hurting themselves. AND NO, they don't get to wield their pain to harm trans women, non-binary folks, trans men who do not conform to their gatekeeping, children and teens who need affirmative care. I'm here with you in solidarity and love, as a non-binary trans man ❤️
Blanchard: “So there are two kinds of transsexuals…”
Trans women: haha bi/pansexuality go brrr
Lol also ace/aro trans women go brrr
I'm so grateful that you exist Jessie. You personally helped me realize a lot about my gender identity, you're my source of validation which I can't get even from the people who are the closest to me :(
Thank you
I wonder what Buck Angel would think of a person like me. He’s transmed, but I’m pretty sure he also doesn’t believe in Non-binary people. I am a trans masc, currently transitioning “agender” (agender mostly because I haven’t found the right term, but agender doesn’t really fit perfectly either. I usually say my gender is “me” but that’s doesn’t explain it properly imo) person. I first learned about what I wanted my body to somewhat be like through highly fetishized porn (futanari and intersex), and then through learning about transitioning. I didn’t have dysphoria until I learned about transitioning and understanding what being trans is. Now my dysphoria absolutely kicks my ass. Would he think I’m not really trans because I had no dysphoria until educating myself? Yeah, he would. It’s horrible because he’s basically just his generations Kalvin Garrah. Buck got his and he doesn’t care if other get theirs, because in his head, why worry about people who aren’t you. It’s a lack of empathy and it horrid.
Reading this was really reassuring, it's really nice seeing someone who has such a similar experience.
He doesn't but his opinion, imo, isn't worth anything about who you are as a person. There is nothing new re: non-binary gender. The word andronygnous is an old word which applied to many people. It proves that this is not a new fangled imaginary thing, imo.
Why do you care? Like genuin question why are you even giving this thought the time of day?
I have a dark mark tattoo i dont look at that and think of the creator hates me thats not a healthy mindset to have, i think you should care a bit less about what people that dont like us think.
(Edit: i cant spell i tried to fix it probs still some errors)
@@SeaTeaSnow
Honey, most people experience forms of dysphoria that they don't suspect is a form of gender dysphoria. And then, when they learn it is, all of it clicks and they pay more attention to it - therefore having it a bit more severe.
You can actually be aware of your distress and never have a word for it until later on. Today, people are more aware of trans people, so more people realize that there's people like them, and they're free to explore their gender.
Your post kinda makes it seem like you were always confused and dysphoric...you just didnt know how to label your dysphoria.
It is fucking EXHAUSTING to have to be pulling up scientific reseach papers to constantly be justifying our existance, our feelings, our experiences. And I'm not even trans (at least I think I'm not? I am genderqueer, I know that much, but I don't have a grasp on how to express what I feel without putting my foot in it) I just grew up as a woman, and have had to counter arguements about my own life, capabilities and experiences all my life. I'm just tired of it. Can people just live and let others be?
I can't escape the feeling that there's a whole lot of unrealized envy in this letter. It's likely a whole lot based on the timing of some other recently released videos.
Thank you for your very nuanced approach to the issues discussed.
Oh, did someone else watch contrapoints video on envy? I've been thinking a lot about that vid lately.
@@DawnOfDragonz well I mean a lot of us started, it's still playing
(that's a joke... because it's very long... get it? ...yeah I've watched it twice 🥺)
@@VinceWhitacre I've watched it in parts like three or four times now, all the through only twice though. It's very enlightening.
I think its safe to assume that pretty much everyone in this little corner of the internet either watched it or at least knows about it through osmosis.
maybe he's bitter about Natalie dropping him when she realized he wasn't gonna have his mind changed
As a transman, I signed the open letter against this nonsense. Transwomen are women and I'm by your side. =D
So, lemme get this right... Buck Angel and his fellow trans-men letter-writers are basically saying "Yo, trans people - you're doing it all wrong! You need to be doing it like WE'RE doing it!" Isn't that the same sort of rigid, straw-manning thinking THEY originally had to fight against to get to be who THEY are? Memories are short, it seems.
Exactly. Buck and people like him just keep moving the self flagellation goalpost, like just because trans people have become more accepted in recent times, they feel like kids now don't go through hard shit as well.
I appreciate that you included a small part in there that was positive about bisexuals.
I know you're aware of bi-erasure and I'm so thankful you mentioned it.
Also, I'm aware that this point is a *very small* part of what your video is about.
Just wanted to mention it and say thanks.
Jesusssss. That letter is baffling. I don't understand. D....do transwomen not eyxist to them? Do trans people only exist as a reflection of their suffering? (ie: Transitioning as a last resort if you can't stuff yourself deep in the closet.) Lmao I guess I'm just a dummy thembo. In all seriousness this just comes off as Boomer trans folk mad about the fact that they had all this toxicity stuffed in their head and had to scream until they were blue in the face to get doctors to believe them. Instead of being happy to see progress in trans rights, they're angry instead. Maybe I'm oversimplifying, but it comes off as the same kind of energy as people getting mad about student debt forgiveness or free uni.
Coming from this same era where everyone had to be deep in the closet, I absolutely think there's a strong thread of this. I'm not sure it's a conscious thing but I do think many like Buck swallowed all that tripe hook, line & sinker and are too scared or whatever to admit that it's horrible shite, so they have to shove it down other people's throats too or else it invalidates their own worldview. It's called severe cognitive dissonance and I've seen this so many times, and esp if they're coming from a conservative, religious backstory.
Contrapoints has a video on this. It's called "Envy" and it's quite good. Don't drink anything before watching, tho, cuz you're in for an hour and 45 minute ride.
@@DianaAmericaRivero yep and watch it 3 times to get all the messages she puts in to costumes.
@@DianaAmericaRivero I know XD Watched it same day. It is indeed very good. Probably why that letter and themes touched on in Jessie's video, made me think of that Boomer analogy.
I disagree with calling people like Buck Angel "part of the trans community." I suppose it comes down to semantics, but I'd argue that the trans community is more than just "trans people", it's about, specifically, our "community". Buck Angel is trans, yes, but he also very clearly despises our community and wants to see us tortured out of existence. I feel like that disqualifies him from being PART of that community. I'd say the same about Blaire White and Caitlyn Jenner too.
But yeah, very good video!
I would tend to talk about trans communities, plural. It isn’t like there’s only one.
Who's Caitlyn Jenner?
@@legrandliseurtri7495 Please, preserve your innocence
I first heard about Buck Angel's controversial status from that incident where (among other things) people harassed a random trans kid for passively supporting one of Natalie Wynn's friends in not canceling Natalie for having Buck Angel read one line in one of her videos. Needless to say, anything Buck Angel did was rendered irrelevant by how disconnected most of that kerfuffle was from anything he did. So it's nice to hear about Buck in isolation. That other stuff was obviously dumb, but now I get why people would hate Buck so much in the first place.
Yeah all the transphobic harassment and how you could be mobbed no matter how many degrees separated from it or how small you were really only encouraged people to see that the anger didn't make sense and convinced them to not look into any of it. I know that the screenshots that got sent to me a million times didn't show anything even a fraction as bad as some of the things he's said that were readily available to screenshot that just... didn't get passed around.
I'm a basic cis het who wants to be an ally but ngl I sometimes feel lost trying to understand trans identity and issues, and this letter was one. I appreciate these thorough and compassionate videos. I'm learning a lot.
I wonder if Buck would get along with Blaire White? they both seem like birds of a feather.
I had that thought too. On one hand, 🦌😇 has said some nice things about some trans women. On the other, he clearly does not care about their well-being.
They'd fight each other to be last on the train.
@Theresa Smith good. They can keep each other occupied so the world can continue becoming a better place without their stink on it.
@@gateauxq4604 Unfortunately the people running that train and the camps it goes to are here either way.
@@ImpudentInfidel I think it’d be like at the start, they’d be like ‘yeah, yeah they’re one of the good ones’. And be ‘in support’ of each other but then secretly hate each other and then eventually go to what you said.
as a recently out Genderfluid person this recent misunderstanding of trans and non-binary issues makes me so depressed. i really appreciate this video and all the videos you make. you have an incredible way of explaining complicated topics in a fun way. thank you so much
I feel like the autogynephilia thing is the hyper-turbo-charged version of what bugs me about those "porn for women" images of men doing housework. It's that same sort of, "actually no, and also yikes" where housework being done doesn't turn me on, it's just that when I'm not stressed out, when I'm not with a man who views me as a domestic appliance, when I'm not holding a thousand things in my head that I need to do, I'm way more able to act freely and happily on the things that DO turn me on. I feel like it ties into all kinds of things about people making up narratives about what they observe about female sexuality when they can't just accept that we're humans who like sex and don't like cruelty.
That letter is so painfully white-perspective... if you consider the history of transgender and non-binary identities throughout the history (to even just a cursory level) of east asian, south asian, native american, african, etc cultures, the fundamental flaws of the views in that letter are absolutely glaring.
I truly can’t speak to anyone’s mental state, nor can I claim to know their true intentions but… Buck Angel has always seemed to me like a “pick me” type and very at the least sexist if not out right misogynistic. I can only hope he continues to grow as a person and eventually leaves these harmful stereotypes behind.
Trans guy here. Buck was one of the first trans men I ever stumbled across in the early days of me figuring out my identity. Back when I first figured out I was trans, he was basically one of the only public facing trans men out there. I eventually came across a few others, but I'm not going to lie, he definitely influenced my views on gender dysphoria, or as it was called at that time GID, during those early years, before I went through almost a decade of self-loathing denial. When I finally came out the other side of that decade, I fortunately came across much more open and accepting transmasucline people on UA-cam and I am VERY grateful for that fact. People like Jammidodger, Ty Turner, etc. helped shape my views on the wider trans community this time around.
There is a part of me that will always hold some kind of fondness for Buck simply because he was a visible trans man at a time trans men were so rarely seen I honestly thought I was some kind of one-off freak because I had never seen someone like me portrayed in the media in any way, positively or negatively. Beyond that small bit of fondness, though, I find the guy increasingly distasteful, bigoted, and harmful to the trans community as a whole. For him and others with similar views to do this at a time when we, as a community, are being so constantly attacked by TERFs and law makers looking to rile up their bases, is, quite frankly, disgusting.
It frustrates me, as a trans man, that he puts stuff like this out with titles that make it seem like all trans men agree with him. We don't. There was a time, over a decade ago, I would have agreed with him but that's because I had very limited access to information about what it means to be trans and the many ways a person CAN be trans. We've come a long way since then and I, for one, don't want to go back to a time when we all had to jump through hundreds of hoops to 'prove' to cis people that we are really trans and that our identities are valid. He is, in my opinion, one of the old guard who had to do SO much just to transition that they feel like EVERYONE should have to go through all of that and it's bullshit, plain and simple.
As a person who suffered through most of my 30+ years feeling horrible about myself because I didn't understand why I was the way I was and feeling like I could never transition because it was too hard, or too scary, or that I'd lose my family and have no support, I don't want that for future generations of trans people. I want it to be easier for them, not harder. People like Buck just need realize that science has progressed and society has progressed since they transitioned and that's a GOOD thing, not a bad thing.
Any sympathy for outdated views go right out the bin when they go all out defending conversion “therapy”. Anyone who defends something as malicious and thoroughly discredited as CT is nothing short of a moral monster.
I'm a non-binary person (they/them) and it was super affirming to hear that you can be trans without having surgery. I have trauma associated with surgeries I've had in the past (not to do with gender affirmation) and have been scared to get top surgery.
The True Allies portion was so heartwarming, That was just... I loved it. Thank you Jessie for highlighting the good where bad seemed all around. That made my day.
As a cis father to a trans son i want to thank you for helping me in my journey of understanding and supporting my son's choices. Fortunately he will never have to face the horror of conversion therapy as this has been legally banned in New Zealand
Buck angel was one of the first people who helped me love my trans body. It is heart breaking now having to hear his disgusting views and how he is spreding hate. We should march along with our trans sisters. How dare he demonizes them? And what is he even saying? Trans men are legit but trans women aren't? Like how does it even make sense? I am so disappointed at him.
Listening to this”Letter”, I’m reminded to people who embrace and absorb the first single explanation for their misery that they encounter: religion, diagnosis, politics, etc. In my experience, there is rarely One Root Cause for all of your personal or Society’s ills. There can be multiple issues, and additional issues caused by the overlap of those original issues. It’s sad and frustrating to engage with that mindset.
Someone alert Buck that people like me exist. Nonbinary, but undergoing HRT and looking forward to bottom surgery.
right? i have full intention to seek out hrt and possibly top surgery. i'm the complete "typical trans man," except i'm a non-binary trans man, not a binary one. whoops!
@@Tendo641 Good luck! I struggled with my identity for so long, because I wanted to transition, but I didn't identify as a woman. It took some very good friends to pull me out of my own head and show me I didn't have to conform to a rigid definition of what a trans person is.
Usually, this level of info dump presented with such passion can be overwhelming, but the data was so intriguing that I didn't even skip forward once. I just don't understand why people can't differentiate sexuality, biological gender, genetic gender, and gender identity, as distinct variables (along with many many more) that make up the human psyche. If I had to guess a root cause, it's because so little information and research have been done on just how much hormones impact our formation, development, and operation as humans.
It’s incredibly sad. And I am now ashamed that he is in my documentary Finding Kim. He was different then…