When you started talking about prescriptions that are prescribed to non-trans people, that made me think about how my younger brother, who has Klinefelter Syndrome, has to take testosterone regularly in order to regulate his mood. And because politicians hate the "transes", it's a Schedule 1 Drug and my mother, on his behalf, has to jump through hoops EVERY TIME my younger brother needs a refill for a medicine that he requires for a genetic disorder that he has to live with for the rest of his life. I'm 100% a trans ally already, but that specific talking point hit home because you are absolutely correct that harming trans youth by restricting vital medicine like this has severe collateral damage.
Testosterone is a schedule IIIN controlled substance, NOT a schedule I drug. And it's not scheduled because of its use in transition but because as an anabolic steroid it has a potential for abuse by athletes. Otherwise estradiol would be scheduled to and it's not.
@@sarahh3815 Fair point. As alluded to, it's my mother who handles my younger brother's meds, so I made a miscalculation if what you say is true. That said, there is collateral damage as a result of barring medications that may be necessary for trans folk to transition and my blunder should not be taken as "there is actually no collateral damage".
@@SpellboundTutor I only meant my conment as a technical correction not to miniimalise the hassles of dealing with scheduled meds or that there's no "collateral damage". As someone with ADHD that relies on a schedule IIN med to function I know the struggle.
@@sarahh3815 Oh I know. I always get the sense that folks are gonna read these and assume that you "owned" me and that my entire argument is entirely worthless as a result. When I said that, rest assured I was saying so in general, not necessarily to you.
There are also a lot more cis children taking blockers, afaik. The situation goes like this: a 9 year old cis girl starts going into puberty (btw, not so uncommon), she has a horrible time--taunted in school and so on. So the mom gets blockers for the kid. They start messing around with who can get them, and they start messing around with this girl, for instance. I don't know anybody, personally. But yes, has collateral damage.
Yes, all these conservatives who are strong supporters of non-binary people. Every time I turn on fox news they are just always talking about how awesome non-binary people are and how much they enjoy listening to their ideas.
By the way seeing the enemy (non-binary people) as simultaneously extremely weak (not really trans and not really and suffering from dysphoria ) and extremely powerful (able to convince all the medical establishment and the right wing of of medical transition being unnecessary ) is a huge red flag to right wing thinking..
Not if the latter statement is factual. You are underestimating how annoying the non-binary movement is in it's approach. You have no idea what this issue looks like to someone on the outside. And you aren't finding that perspective in these comments.... So
@@LadyVandMrT what is the " non binary movement " ( besides saying non binary people are a thing ) and annoying is not actually a criticism of anything that is not entertainment . I am not sure how to be less annoying if the bad thing thet I do is exsit and sometimes inform other people of it
@@admiralfrancis8424 it is . But because I didn't have enough info about the rest of the politics of the people Involved I used a more general " right wing " out of caution
Hate how that post ends with "listen to trans black women" as though there aren't nonbinary and binary trans black people who don't want or need to transition
Many incluiding myself have pointed out that at this point (pardon my redundancy) black trans women are solely used as tokens and talking points rather than actually sentinent human beings.
Even then, this echoes the racist thoughts of cis women who routinely shrug all of the women's rights stuff onto Black women, too. Why don't they get to have a break from arguing for their humanity? Why does the burden always have to fall onto Black women? Why do they have to shoulder the burden of fighting for their right to exist? This kind of virtue signaling, the one where Black women are given the "reigns of the operation," usually leads to white women blaming Black women for the fallout when things don't go as well as they'd like. These aren't my own experiences, my being white, but they are the (truncated) thoughts of one of my favorite activists, Imani Barbarin, and other women like her.
I’m afab non binary, I don’t care that much about what pronouns people use for me, I’m not interested in surgery or trying not to look afab, but I’m certainly not a woman. My gender has nothing to do with my body, and it has nothing to do with how others see me so I’m not concerned with changing any of that. Trans medicalism made it hard for me to figure out who I am and what I want. Thank you for talking about this :)
"I’m afab non binary, I don’t care that much about what pronouns people use for me, I’m not interested in surgery or trying not to look afab, but I’m certainly not a woman." That's my SO right there.
What makes you not a woman? Not like other girls? I’m not trying to attack you, I am myself trans, just really curious as it’s hard for me to understand people who do not seek medical transition, look like they agab yet say they’re not them. I unfortunetely saw a lot AFAB folks with extreme internalized misogyny issues whenever i asked them about not being a woman
It’s a shame that some people have so much internalized bias that they rationalize their own discrimination. “Trans people won’t be accepted if non-binary people exist” has the same ring to it as “gay people won’t be accepted if they’re kinky, polyamorous, too feminine/masculine, etc…”
Literally just justifying transphobia and kissing up to bigots, dude why cant people just target transphobes and not invalidate other trans people using gatekeeping tactics
i am a non-binary person and i come from a country where ther is no legal way to transition and it is extremely unacceptable publically, and yet i'm so proud that i identify as enby. when someone expresses that i as a non-binary person don't know the real gender dyshporia or even have a place to speak in the contemporary trans community it makes me experience insane amount of pressure, alienation and pain. every time i watch your videos i cry by some reason because of how much your content resonates with my deepest struggles, thank you for bringing actual education and awareness on topics that majorities usually just use to drive us all apart
Hey. I see you, and I just wanna say, those a-holes that say "you don't know real gender dysphoria" are, literally, gatekeeping by using a logical fallacy called the "No True Scotsman" fallacy. Wikipedia breaks it down, but basically it's when something disproves what they think is true and instead of admitting they were wrong they go "TRUE [x] does/feels that" or "No TRUE [x] does/feels that". They're not just a-holes for gatekeeping, but they're not even LOGICAL about it.
Yes, we should stick together, because in the end we all have the same goal: Being our most authentic self, no matter how it looks like =) You stay strong there, as Jem said, you're not alone and you're valid. My situation as an enby is probably very different from yours but if you ever feel like you need someone to talk to, I can offer my ear.
I remember watching a documentary about a group of I think 10 Trans children, they socially transitioned and the documentary followed their journey. In the conclusion of the documentary one of the children decided he wasn't trans, the comments were very focused on the one boy who changed his mind rather than the 9 who didn't. 🤦
The BBC is anti trans and generally conservative although they pretend they are impartial . But that’s because in the UK there are laws of impartiality for TV but not newspaper’s . They also like a lot of media in other countries have reduced investigative journalism in favour of fluff pieces
@@torroberts6622 I wasn’t trying to say it wasn’t worth watching. I guess the point I was making was more in response to the amount of time spent on the child who changed their mind rather than the other 9. Which makes sense if you realise how upper class and conservative the BBC is…
Side point, Scottish people are definitely not less concerned with gender-specific dress-codes. Calling a kilt a 'skirt' is considered pretty offensive if done in earnest, and will still almost definitely start a fight if it isn't immediately made a joke. I am Scottish, incidentally, sorry if this ruins your image of Scotland
I don't think it ruins it. When people bring out the kilt, or other cultural outfits that would be considered "girly" in certain places, it's not really to say "these cultures do not care about what is manly or not", but more to say "if what we consider a girl thing is seen as manly in certain cultures, and the other way around as well, what does it say about the construction of gender roles and expectations? Is anything inherently associated with a certain gender, or is it all only a result of the environment?" I don't know if it made sense haha EDIT: I think it's also important to note that I am not saying it's a good thing to reduce certain cultural garnments as "basically a skirt/dress/etc", I find that insensitive for other reasons.
@@duskianfae Exactly this. Comparing cultures can show clearly how gender roles and even gender itself is a social construct. It annoys me when Western people mistake Korea for being “queer friendly” because kpop boys don’t fit their idea of masculinity, thus they believe it must be some form of going against traditional gender roles. No one thinks that in Korea.
@@duskianfae , a kilt as a garment is certainly not "what would ben seen as girly in other cultures". The thick wool, leather sporran and occasional dirk leaves no doubt of the intended masculinity of the setup. I'm not Scottish, but I'd never mistake a kilt for "girly" outfit, it's just a different male national dress that the trousers worn with the national dress where I'm from.
exactly. they don't need a "reason" to hate trans people, they just hate us. it has nothing to do with whether or not we transition correctly or "pass". it's like claiming we'll succeed if we're the "model minority", but that is not the way to liberation and never has been
This is a statistical fallacy. Hunter is speaking about her issues being accepted by all sorts of people, and she is not wrong by suggested cis people, especially cis women, many of whom are fairly progressive people and NOT conservatives, are being turned off of supporting trans rights because of vocal minorities in the community.
@@LadyVandMrT Hunter herself did not make this statement and the post she liked explicitly mentioned red states no longer considering HRT and surgeries medically necessary because of what enbies have supposedly done. Conservatives in red states were never going to like trans people regardless of what enbies may or may not be advocating. Not sure what statistical fallacy you're talking about. You're saying Hunter said things that she didn't say and weren't even part of the original post she liked.
@@LadyVandMrT they’re not real allies or truly invested in liberation and acceptance for all humans if their support is conditional. These people are just looking for excuses and so should be challenged as to why. Secondly, why would that stop us from advocating for each other and continue to push back? It’s not like we had much acceptance in the first place. Like just keep doing the work, it’s not gonna end soon
@@sovannah9219 moving the goal posts fallacy. They would be allies, they are in support of trans policies, but now that women's rights are under major attack, they can't care to be inclusive to people who aren't even affected by the war on women. Your reasoning is fallacious. You want to try to make allies out of every person, not say "well if you don't want to help us, we don't need you anyway!" Nothing gets done without support from the masses.
I'm a trans guy in Northern Sweden, I relate to what you said about trans people feeling like we have to do some kind of medical transition to be valid. I personally loved playing with makeup and wearing dresses. Not because I was a girl, but because I love theater. A part of me thinks that I can't wear makeup in public until I physically transition because then no one can erase my transness as if I'm actually pretending. Then I remember that in South Korea many men, regardless of sexuality, put time and effort into appearance, including wearing makeup. Gender expression and the limitations placed on these gender identities are fluid as they depend on culture.
I guess the only issue is that, although your gender isn't invalid by wearing makeup or dresses, people will see you as female and address you as such, which will presumably make you feel pretty shit :/. I waited until time had passed on T to grow my hair out again, not because men can't have long hair, but because I knew people would see longer hair and think "she". Obviously it's up to you to weigh up the benefits either end on what makes you more happy. Hope things work out
I feel like you end up with these kind of views by being told you’re the “good one”. Usually because you pass, transitioned younger, and are considered relatively attractive. As you don’t challenge hegemonic norms in quite the same way as NB people. Which Kim and Hunter certainly qualify as.
I mean, a certain trans lady basically made a career off of passing herself as the good trans online. To the point she went ahead and started to lie just to show people as the 'bad trans'.
@@kazikek2674 I will say though, you can “recover” from this pov. I’m super grateful I had no social media platform when I was 21. I would have been a hardcore trans med because my experience and the way transness was seen society writ large at the time lent itself to that belief. It was actually contrapoints who pulled me out of that way of thinking
no. I ended up with these views from the constant transmisogyny of the "trans community". constantly saying gender is only a social construct, trying to drive a wedge between us and the rest of society.
That may be part of it. I mean for a transmedicalist, who passes, or just blends in enuogh, and is binary daily life as a woman is an affirmation. It could be easy to feel that NB's cause their own problem, standing out, drawing attention, stirring controversy.
@@HontasFarmer80 transmeds dont need to put down enbys and act like enbys are a problem when theyre not and that by beating down enbies theyre pushing more cis normativity which will harm them.
"nobody in the world, nobody in history, has ever gotten their freedom by appealing to the moral sense of the people who were oppressing them" - assata shakur. trans rights will not be gained by making our community palatable to cis people
Yes, that is literally the only way you will ever see change. Unless what, you want there to suddenly be no cis people? 90% of people are cis. Do you see the dilemma here.
Also, please stop using black peoples fight and history as part of yours. You have your own fight. Leave us out of it. I’m tired of lgbtq+ comparing their history with black people. They never refuse the opportunity to align themselves with or compare themselves to the history of Black Americans in the state even a lot of the time the people making the comparisons are white which leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
I don't watch Euphoria but I'm aware of Hunter Schaefer and, uh. Fuck that hurt to read. Speaking as a nonbinary person who has pursued medical transition, and been heavily gatekept by that system, being told that my existence is making it harder to access transition care distresses me deeply. To any and all nonbinary people and/or trans people who aren't pursuing medical transition: You're valid. You are not the problem. I love you. To anyone who holds transmed/truscum beliefs: I really hope you take that anger, examine where it's coming from, and then redirect it to transphobic systems upheld by cis people instead of at your own community. I hope you gain some insight and compassion for people who struggle under the same systems as you. I hope you learn to not immediately lash out at things you don't understand.
I think anyone who judges an individual by the public perception of a group they’re a part of is clearly an idiot, however you can still criticise the people who’s actions negatively affect other members of a group they’re a part of by presenting a group in a certain way without considering all of its members. This is why I think blaming nonbinary people or even non dysphoric trans people shouldn’t be the focus of transmedicalists, instead it should be promoting public awareness of dysphoria, and the suffering it causes. That doesn’t mean that people who present themselves as representatives of the trans community who don’t talk about dysphoria are justified in doing that though.
i love that everytime a transmedicalist makes a post about nb people not having dysphoria/surgeries it simultaneuosly ignores and invalidates the experience of nb people who DO have dysphoria and surgeries and binary trans people who DON'T have gender dysphoria or surgeries. trans people aren't the same, everyone experiences gender their own way and it feels so illogical to think that everyone who's trans will approach their body the same way
I think the number of trans people who want surgery is small compared to trans who do not. In aggregate it appears like there are more than there really are. people who want to transition are being targeted. It's nobody's fault except those doing the targeting. In the olden days trans meant you wanted to transition. Not necessarily with drugs but it implied an intention for some sort of metamorphosis.
@@origamiandcats6873 so that's what you think. Do you have anything to back up that claim? And why would it be inherently bad that some trans people don't want to go through surgery, hormones, etc?
She's said it's not all nb ppl. It's a specific kind that end up not trans after a while. It was triggered by a magazine spread on trans bodys that barely featured any 'binary' trans ppl. And trans women were left out by the photographer apparently purposely because these media outlets get more clicks etc probably from sensationalising trans with shock value etc. Apparently a friend of a person in the article said the person doesn't even identify as trans behind the scenes. Ppl like demi lovatos followers obsessed with correcting pronouns while trans ppl talking about healthcare is being ignored. Sam Smith is the face of trans in UK and they keep using Sam for division with stupid word debates. Someone actually trying to transition with way more challenges has less of a voice than extreme ppl on tik tok preaching gender theory that get the clicks and have become the face of trans.
VERY common - there are even pick me enbies who eagerly point towards "radical fake nonbinary activists" and to themselves as "true NORMAL nonbinary people"
And the craziest part is she's like "You made the majority in power do this to me." WHAT?! How does an even smaller minority manage to convince the majority to be oppressive?
Sometimes, I feel frustrated with binary trans women who hold these transmedicalist views as a afab enby butch lesbian because they often act like gender expression does not play a part in oppression. I can tell you from my experience that butches, some afab people who are masculine, are not treated as normal. We are targeted for not adhering to gendered expectations. While enbies are not cis, from my own experience as an enby butch, I am treated often like a predatory gender monster, especially in gender segregated spaces, e.g., bathrooms and dressing rooms. I haven't undergone any medical transition or surgeries nor do I plan to. My existence as a masculine afab person is considered uncomfortable at least and a threat at worst to cishet women. This is a part of the butch experience. It's a part of our history. Even cis butch women share this experience. Being cisgender does not protect them from gender discrimination because of being masculine. Watch Hannah Gatsby's Nanette for an example of this. So no, I'm not going to sit back and not advocate for myself and other gender non-conforming people. Oppression is more complicated than what transmedicalists proclaim.
@@plantlifeforever6994 No worries! afab means assigned female at birth. Enby is another way of writing nonbinary (someone who identifies neither as a man nor a woman). It's the phonetic way of saying the acronym NB.
Thank you so much, as a black trans woman who medically transition I appreciate this video. I accept every one and don't have problems with anybody, partly because of being so marginalized myself but also becuse I'm a decent human. I try to speak up every chance I get for our community. But lately the GOP been coming for us hard-core, I spent 3 days debating this guy on UA-cam about puberty blockers he was citing studies and stuff he finally gave up on the 3rd day. But this video explains everything in a way that everyone should be able to understand thank you.
Lol mood, been debating someone about the effectiveness of transition and whether or not gender exists. I'm cis tho so there's less stake for me, but I still like seeing people live their best life. To paraphrase a quote from that girl on Heartstopper: "I'm not transphobic. I'm an ally!"
@@bobbyd6040 except these laws being passed are not letting people live their lives. they aren't being passed to protect anyone's children, they're being passed to attack the boogeyman that conservatives portray trans people as. they are passed by people with little to no understanding of what being trans is like or what transitioning means. trans people are just their current scapegoat.
@@bobbyd6040 "i support your right to exist. i just dont think you people should be allowed in any public space, nor should you be granted the freedom of expression that every other non-offending citizen is allowed. i see you as an inherently dangerous person because of the way you were born and because of the way you go about your own life."
@@bobbyd6040 it's not that simple. while there are many of us liberal people who agree that children shouldn't be encouraged to "medically transition", we don't agree with how people like you tend to voice that, and associate it very much so with what the GOP has become
It pisses me off to no end that people bring in child abuse and are crying out about it, yet ignore children that are actually abused. The people that do this do not care about kids. If they truly cared, they'd help kids get counseling and the space to figure out who they are, whether cis, trans, etc.! Seeing all of this as a future teacher in the South, I'm terrified and going insane thinking of ways to make sure my kids will know that they're safe in my room. Thank you Jessie for making these videos, they've helped me expand my knowledge and awareness so much
Im not mad that you have a hetalia pfp, I’m just mad you chose France of all characters. /j (I haven’t watched hetalia since 2016 this brought me nostalgia)
It's been very distressing seeing the spike in nonbinary hatred as my sibling is nonbinary and I'm kinda of trying to define what I am specifically. Currently I still mostly say I'm a Trans man but I don't think I'll be IDing like that forever. It has been absolutely wild seeing the gradual and very much not gradual spike in nonbinary hate. I thought we already dealt with this issue but I've even started seeing terfs and other transphobes using the term "transtrender" again!! It's disheartening but there not much we can do about that other then continue to try to educate others and hope they hear us out. I appreciate you speaking about this while also not attacking Hunter herself because it's very possible she didn't think about the strong implications of that post and it's not like she was being super overt and saying she hates nonbinary people. We don't have enough info to say how she really felt about that post but the post itself needs talked about. And I hope Hunter makes some sort of response to clear up what she meant as I'm sure plenty of people have been getting mean to her when that's not really necessary and a lot of us want answers that we may or may not get. It's a difficult conversation that seems to be bringing up a lot of struggles and trauma from a few years ago but it needs to happen again so we don't let more Kalvin Garrahs and Blair Whites come out of the woodwork (not that I'm saying Hunter is like them, I just expect to see some people cropping up again holding their views.)
The more you try to "educate others" instead of asking them why they are so resistent to "learning", do you see the inherent "I am better than them" attitude here? THIS is why they don't listen to you. Ask them questions first, then tell them truths to change their view in a language they can understand. Otherwise they just view you as arrogant, self absorbed, and annoying. Do you want people to listen? Or do you just want to talk at them because talking at them makes you feel self assured in your choices?
When you go through puberty you can feel out of place in your own body even when you aren't trans or non-binary. A lot of kids need some support to get through it. They might think they're trans even if they aren't. This is the problem. There are people who are suffering from dysphoria, depression etc. They aren't getting the support they deserve. It would go a long way to help everyone in the right direction for them.
In my country (Uruguay), transitioning is a somewhat lengthy process bc of the lack of surgeon experts, but, free. Since transitioning and name changing is free, there's a lot of less infighting in the trans community. Nb dysphoric people like myself. This was thru DE- medicalization, of the trans experience. Medicalization will only make it harder for everyone to get care, because even if you're binary trans, with dysphoria, if it doesn't fit your " diagnosis". you're literally, as we say here, "spitting upwards". It's gonna come back to you.
"Splitting upwards" is a really interesting and appropriate phrase to describe this phenomenon- honestly I'm probably going to start using it if we don't already have something like it in English.
I think the equivalent of the idiom in english is either "spitting in the wind" or, more vulgarly, "pissing in the wind". (aka the wind blows it all back onto you)
@@andylyn4123 I think "pissing in the wind" is the equivalent, though I've seen "spitting in the wind"-- the inferrence being that the wind is blowing in your direction.
I totally agree with this viewpoint, but I think there's a few things that make it more complicated in the US. One being the lack of free healthcare. Without getting letters from Doctors most people who aren't incredibly rich can't get treatments and procedures covered by insurance or afford their care in the first place. The second being that trans people aren't considered their own protected group here outside of being protected under the ADA (Americans with Disabilities act) as gender dysphoria is considered a disability. But it leaves out trans people who don't experience gender dysphoria or in the ways the medical field has defined it. I think in order for Trans people to have TRUE equality here and for the trans experience to be demedicalized safely, we need free universal healthcare first
My biggest problem with transmedicalism is that it wants to force trans people into risks for their health. Every surgery is a risk. Every hormonal therapy is a risk or can elevate the risk for some things. There are people who don't want to being exposed to that kind of risks (or are afraid of pain etc.), even if they wish to be born with different features.
Also there are people who physically cannot go through those surgeries despite wanting to. There is no excuse for transmedicalism, and it only hurts everyone
no it doesn't? I do regulary interact with truscum, and I have never seen them argue, that trans people should be forced to undergo gender affirming procedures they don't want. If a particular procedure is harmfull to a persons health, no transmedicalist I have seen would insist on that person undergoing that procedure. "Truscum" is simply the belief, that having gender dysphoria is necessary for being trans. Jessie just gave a wrong definition when she claimed that truscum believe that someone has to undergo gender affirming procedures to be "truly trans"
This! My wife doesn't have much body dysphoria that isn't handled by the effects of well-managed HRT, but even if she DID have a good bit of dysphoria that could warrant surgical intervention, the suffering caused by it would have to be SERIOUSLY massive and dangerous for her to pursue surgery, because she's extremely "medically complicated" in ways that combine to make ANY surgery high risk, and any surgery that isn't a minimally-invasive outpatient type deal is EXTRA SPECIAL high risk, so surgery is generally only a good idea when it's necessary to prevent horrible outcomes that are almost certain to happen. (Like.... Because of the combined effects of a couple of her diagnoses, she had a stroke yesterday morning, and had to be airlifted the hour and a half to Seattle for emergency brain surgery, and in this case, the outcome of NO surgery was VERY LIKELY to be "death or permanent paralysis", which outweighed the high-but-not-QUITE-as-likely risks of "weird potentially deadly heart issues, serious and abnormal bleeding, significant seizures, or a different sort of partial paralysis" that are always present with most surgery for her, and sitting by her hospital bed for the 8th time in the 13 years we've been together is making me extra salty about this sort of thing). So yeah, we're both super grateful that her dysphoria is generally manageable without surgery. And yet, we've had to walk away from MULTIPLE trans orgs/support groups/etc because of different aggro transmedicalists who all insisted she was not actually trans, because if she WERE, then she would both desperately want surgery AND be completely willing to ignore all the massive risks her medical status imposes on any surgical procedure... And, like....what the FUCK? I can't even process how someone could think that way. And can't fathom how much worse the bullshit would've been had they known she was married to an enby. It's left us nervous about trying to connect with our own damn community now that we've moved from Texas to the PNW, even though the isolation sucks.
@@taln0reich i think what the person is saying is not literally forcing, but holding it up as a threshold of validity, which can push people desperate for validity to believing there's only one way to be trans. Which is true, i was unable to start any medical transition for years, but my desire to do it was there the entire time. I *wanted* what trans people supposedly want, but it hadn't manifested in my behavior yet.
I'm not taking anything away from "binary" trans people by being non-binary. Also being non-binary doesn't mean not doing any medical transition measures, but let's assume it did. So? What I'm doing is choosing how to dress, speak, and act that are based on my own comfort and not the comfort of society. Meaning whether it's against or with my AGAB I do it if it feels right to me. I assume that's what "binary trans people" do when they're medically transitioning too. They're doing what feels right for themselves, regardless of what society thinks they should do based on their AGAB. We are the same. We're one community that should not be divided into hostile in-fighting, which benefits the Republicans and fascists that hate us.
Many of us "binary" trans people isn't that binary either lol, just often lumped there because we medically transition and "fit in". Imho it's way less simple and more wobbly. But personally I don't bother talking about my gender identity after over a decade of being trans, so I'm made into a binary trans woman. But I've never identified as woman, I just don't care any more 😅 I prefer us all uniting 💪 (I was assigned male for context)
Why are you putting binary trans people in quotation marks? That's an attack on us binary trans people. I don't agree with enbyphobia, but g*ddamn, have some respect for our gender identity.
@@Fudwinkle Yeah, it's almost as if binary trans people can have a mix of masculine, and feminine hobbies, interests, styles, etc. and still be a binary trans person. As a binary trans woman, my main style is on the feminine side of tomboy, I call it pink camo.
@@MiaRosenbloom the person you replied to used "binary" as a self-descriptor, and the rest of the comment explains what was meant by using the quotation marks. It was not meant as an attack on other trans people who genuinely identify as binary, and it should not be taken as such.
As a public health junkie, I also object to the idea that “medical transition” is a purely treatment based category. I think this kind of medical treatments can be conceptualized (albeit imperfectly) as tertiary treatment. The complete social, environmental, and emotional support of trans people *can* very reasonably be considered a health intervention that prevents some of the long term “comorbidities” that can come with being trans like suicide, depression, etc.
I can't post screen shots here but I saw that Hunter replied to a now deleted TikTok someone made with a comment stating that she is not a transmedicalist. She has definitely boosted some hurtful BS by liking this post but my hope is that this experience inspires her to educate herself (because let's be real girl, if you don't consider yourself to be a transmed but find yourself 'liking' a post with transmed undertones it's time to go back to the drawing board and figure out where the disconnect is) and gain a better understanding of how we can work alongside our NB siblings to combat our real enemy: bigoted lawmakers who think everyone anyone who isn't CisHet is a mentally ill freak best and a predator at worst.
Whenever I hear about (trans and other) healthcare for children, I always come back to the point that we genuinely do not give minors enough rights over themselves.
I wish I could have at the very least suppressed boob growth. Instead I was made to take anti psychotic medication that probably accelerated it. I'm too afraid of surgery to get it cut off. It's a disgusting useless organ that doubles your lifetime risk of cancer.
Ah yes. My president Miloš Zeman. Yep he actually said seeking gender affirming health care is self harm and self mutilation and should be punishable by law. And called us disgusting. Wonderful man really /s
I feel like this happened beat for beat with abortion. I was reading dozens of people saying in one way or another that if only we didn't say that (trans) men could get pregnant, we could win on abortion. That it was due to our ability to "define woman" that we can't establish abortion rights. It's so infuriating to see once again seeing people who should be political allies resort to scapegoating again rather than building solidarity.
Women's rights are under attack by trans people. You have to deal with that fact before you can expect cis women to blindly support the trans movement. What it means for me to be a woman feels very much under attack. Hunter is right, you know. People are turning against the trans movement who used to support it wholly. I am one of those people.
Believing that trans rights is WHY abortion is repealed is stupid. We agree on that, but you can't judge the women who are afraid for losing their rights in a moment of panic here. They're conflating losing some of their rights in one regard to losing them in others. People with dicks, ok call it whatever terms you will, but that is the fact, people with dicks are now in women's locker rooms, on their sports teams, and women have said they don't want it, and no one cares. No one listens to women. People born with dicks forcing themselves in women's spaces because "we should have to accept them" are forcing their dicks on us, literally. And we say we don't want it. They don't listen. Can you think of a more inherently MALE thing to do?? Then women lose the right to abortion. Women are DYING ON THE TABLE because they cannot receive medical care. And this issue does NOT affect trans women. You cannot blame these horror-struck, terrified women for the acts of patriarchy. Women are losing their rights everywhere and your response is to shove your dick at them some more. Now you know what turns a cis woman away from supporting you. Listen, or don't. I don't care about your movement any more. Trans women are looking less and less like women to me the more people demonize me as a TERF or internalized transphobe instead of responding to my fears an empathizing with my own experiences with sex and gender. I CHOSE to be a cis woman in spite of dyaphoria because I wanted biological children, and it was the best choice I ever made. Everyone has to make those same choices for themselves, and if they choose differently than me, that's totally fine! But my choice is fine too.
@@LadyVandMrT I don't think that women's rights and trans rights are at odds. If you have any specific concerns I may be able to provide resources. Jessie Gender has videos on a lot of these topics as well. The post Schafer liked did not say "people are turning against the trans movement". It was blaming trans people who don't need medical transition care for red states denying medicaid coverage. Of course that reasoning doesn't hold up for any other medical treatment - just because some people can manage their diabetes through dietary changes doesn't mean others don't need insulin; just because some people can go through a pregnancy without an epidural doesn't mean that other people can. Just because some trans people don't experience gender dysphoria doesn't mean that trans people gender dysphoric about their body don't need medical care. A "trans movement" where trans people who don't need medical care just never spoke about their experiences/needs (even though there's a lot of overlap with other trans people e.g. with correcting documents) might be more palatable to you, but based on the rhetoric by anti-trans activists there's no evidence it would have affected any policy outcome.
The “pick me” mentality can run deep in marginalized communities. Though I think most people know that it’s a false promise, being accepted as “one of the good ones” by your enemies is still an alluring one. When faced against powerful and dangerous people, it can be easier to attack your less powerful peers and try to ally with your enemies than it is to form coalitions with peers you disagree with.
It really really can. It's ridiculous to me how many people manage to get their foot in the door of social acceptability only to slam it HARD in the face of those behind them, and it happens with every group. Hardcore conservative Cubans come to mind.
@Kathryn Elizabeth I suspect the reason behind that is the fact you are probably just a decent person. It's crazy how low the bar has been set the last few years...
The fact that you view "all of society since the dawn of modern civilization" as "your enemy", says it all. "...being accepted as 'one of the good ones' by your enemies..." You need to work WITH society to make progress changing it. It isn't going to suddenly stop existing because you think it should. You reaize this, yes?
It’s incredibly frustrating to see more infighting in the lgbtq+ community that doesn’t tackle the actual oppressor. As a non-binary person, I’m really devastated that Hunter sees people like me as a nuisance or problem to her existence. I have non-binary and trans peers through out the spectrum and none of us are just “comfortable in a cis body”. Even those who’s gender presentation matches the sex they’re assigned at birth struggle with being recognized as non-binary because of the presumption we have to be gender conforming. The whole attitude honestly just reinforces gender roles and stereotypes that is only directed at trans people to be validated in a cis-normative society. If a non binary person presents feminine, how is that honestly any different from a trans woman doing it?? Gender performance is just an expression, not a state of being. It’s unfair to gatekeep trans and non-binary people on how they choose to present themselves. It’s even worst to guilt them for it because they frankly don’t conform to gender (not that trans people who identify and present within the binary are “conforming” either as long as it still feels like their true selves. Just that the binary shouldn’t be seen as a strict determination of your identity). It’s kinda ironic because I’m pretty sure Jules had this whole arc in Euphoria in recognizing her own internalized transphobia and sexism when she used to crave the approval and attention of cis men to validate her gender identity. When she realized she didn’t need their approval to still feel like a femme person, the development through her outfit shifted from hyper feminine, pastels, and form fitting to bold colours and adopting more androgynous pieces. It’s literally how gender and gender performance works, I don’t get how Hunter isn’t drawing those similarities. We don’t need to fit into a binary to be valid and the oppression of those who do is from transphobes, not gender non-conforming people.
I'm not familiar with Euphoria or Hunter, but boy did her words hurt so much more than I expected, as a nonbinary person who is still figuring out what, if any, medical transition I am interested in. It really hurts to hear a trans woman call my body cis and to invalidate everything I've been struggling with I immediately wondered how Hunter would compute the fact that you are a nonbinary woman who has medically transitioned. Would she insist that she knows your gender better than you do? Edit: I've already been corrected that Hunter did not say this, so you can stop typing that reply. And if you're replying to tell me how I should feel, maybe don't do that either?
Worth noting they're not her words -- Not even a little bit defending this and I think publicly agreeing with them is still disgusting, but at least she didn't write this particular screed.
@@CheeseypiPlays I'm not sure I understand. Who said these things if it wasn't Hunter Schafer? Edit: Never mind. I didn't catch that someone else made the post in question and Hunter commented on it. Doesn't really change anything for me, because I didn't know who Hunter was to begin with but this was clearly still written by a trans person.
@@GiveZeeAChance yeah, the post is still fucking gross anyway. Please know that most trans people don't feel that way, you're completely valid regardless of any medical transition steps you take
As a 30 yo genderfluid person who HAS transitioned this shit is so annoying to me. I had to go through soooo many hoops to get top surgery just because of the fact that I'm nonbinary. Even getting an appointment for HRT took years because my primary doctor had no idea how to give a referral for that and I was only able to accomplish HRT thanks to planned parenthood. Socially if I wasn't presenting super masculine or if my voice had even a slight pitch to it I was basically seen as "girl lite" or "going through a phase" despite being in my late twenties when I started HRT and had been openly nonbinary to friends and family for almost a decade. I go by he/she/they and when I would tell people this they would always revert to she/her pronouns no matter how I presented myself or how many times I asked to be called he/they. Eventually, I had given up on being accepted as nonbinary and started presenting more as a binary trans man and only used he/him pronouns which I HATED because not only did I now have to hide certain aspects of myself (especially my feminine side) but it felt like I was going right back into the closet. It was like I had finally freed myself from one cage after being trapped for years and years just to be shoved into an even smaller, darker cage. I had to lie to my gender therapist after finding out he was known in the local trans community as being a transmed. Unfortunately, he was the only gender therapist in my state and was the only one my insurance was willing to cover, and the closer and closer I got to my 30s without having top surgery the more anxious I got that it was never going to happen so I macho maned myself up and lied about who I was just to get a damn letter. I felt awful about it and sometimes still do but I was just so tired of not being taken seriously and having to constantly prove myself to multiple strangers about who I am. I can't tell you how infuriating it is to tell someone who you are, who you've known yourself to be for YEARS, and all the moments and feelings that led up to discovering who you truly are and finally feeling comfortable living in that truth and wanting your body to match that same comfort that you've been longing for since you were a child...just for people to say "no you're not, because I don't think you are and that's a valid enough reason to not believe you". Over and over again I heard the same arguments and comments from transphobic cis ppl and truscum trans ppl alike for going on 12 years now and none of their arguments has ever convinced me that they somehow know me better than I know myself. I just want people to stop making this assumption that all nonbinary people are the same, just like not all trans people, or hell even just people are the same. That some of us are somehow less valid for not wanting/needing to transition despite our real life experiences showing otherwise, and that those of us who do transition somehow have it easier than binary trans people which makes me seriously question what universe these people are living in because it clearly isn't the one I'm in.
Thanks for sharing this, I’ve experienced similar difficulties and it makes me so furious. There’s a point where you just have to give up on people and say what you need to say to get what you need, but it’s so frustrating not to be seen. This is why transmeds make me so angry. Trying to adjust our community to be more palatable to the people who wish we weren’t here at all will grind us into nothing. All I can do is keep pushing and hope it makes things better for the next generation.
This really hit home for me. I'm a pretty masculine guy, and I always have been. I go to the gym, I dress stereotypically masc without much variation. I'm an adult dude with a pretty thriving mustache atm, who goes to college and has a stable job. I'm still nonbinary. I still use neopronouns as well as they/them. I like hearing about my friends' new genders theyve invented for themselves and I think that that's all cool stuff. I love if you're a binary trans person, a nonbinary trans person, or anything in between. People see the second part and assume a great lot of things about me. Most commonly, that I'm just a confused teen girl deluded by too much time on the internet, and, failing this, I'm severely mentally ill. I've even seen otherwise progressive members of the LGBTQ community be militant about all this. It's got to the point where I dont bother labelling myself anymore. No matter what I do with *my gender* people online will completely disregard my life experiences and joy in favour of believing their own delusion that other ways to live outside of their perview are directly harmful. The only thing harming them is their own hatred. The right will never be on our side.
@@canonicallykayfabe I'm sorry that you've gone through this. It's BS. You are wanted you are enough, the people who put you and other NBs down are idiots
I am a binary trans woman who has had gender dysphoria since childhood and has medically transitioned. Transmedicalism pushed me back into the closet for years. I'm not especially old, but I am older than Jessie, and I grew up before the turn of the century in a relatively small town. Fortunately, I don't live in the U.S.A., so an American might not describe it as conservative relative to their right wing, but it was a place where things changed slowly. As you can imagine, I had very little information on transgender people, but I had enough information on gender norms to believe I needed to shove down this part of me and never tell anyone. I was in university before I first had an online friend come out as trans. I wasn't especially close with him at the time, but my sibling was, and I got some second-hand information about his experience. It was the first time I felt like I could even approach the idea of maybe not being a man, which was definitely a careful and delicate project that I kept secret from anyone else. This is when a different online friend started sharing content about transmedicalism and "trans trenders." That content was about the same proposed dangers declared to have come to pass in the post being used as a jumping off point for this video. They were impassioned pleas for not making it harder for "medically trans" people, who have such a hard time as it is, combined with a criticism about the phrase, "identify as [gender]." After all, "medically trans" people ARE their gender, so that phrase has bad implications. And, well, did I feel that I *was* a woman at that time? No. I'd been told all my life that I was a boy, if a "New Age, sensitive type of guy," according to my parents. I could start to dip my toe into the idea of "identifying as a woman," but overcoming societal views of the time was far too big of a hurdle. Even after I started medically transitioning, it remained hard to definitively believe I am a woman after years of therapy and support groups. Was I gender dysphoric? I can look back now to see that I was and, even after spending years trying to hide anything like this, I could find parts that I hadn't been able to fully repress. But the content I saw described the pits of depression, unable to get out of bed or shower or the like, and I had kept myself mostly functional at that point. I couldn't bring myself to compare to the misery being described. And, even if I was wrong about myself, could I bear the risk hurting people who were suffering so much already? If I was a "trans trender" and I came out as trans, the transmedicalist content I saw suggested I would be hurting everyone who was "really trans." If I was "really trans" and I did not seek the medical treatment described, only I would suffer. So I chose the option that only would hurt one person. It took years to reach a point where I couldn't hide the truth from myself anymore. It took another year to accept it, and another year after that before I let myself even see a therapist to start the process. And those years were full of ways to justify why I didn't deserve to have the things transmedicalists would want a binary trans woman like me to have. I am doing better. I met some wonderful people at support groups and I was fortunate enough to be in a place where I could afford to go to therapy for more than the four sessions a year covered by my medical insurance (but only if directly referred by a doctor). I understand much more about myself and I am out to most people. I even finally got my name officially changed. But I'm still depressed. I'm still burnt out from dealing with all of this on top of the rest of my life. I'm only barely able to scratch the surface of the problems that aren't directly related to my gender that needs therapy after all this time. The transmedicalist posts didn't cause all of that -- society was great at putting me in that position -- but they were waiting at the top when I was finally starting to climb out of that pit and kicked me back in. On the bright side, it's given me a very healthy sense of skepticism towards any exclusionary movements. After all, I am exactly the kind of person that transmedicalists say will be hurt by nonbinary people existing, but it was the transmedicalists who knocked me down and (among others) nonbinary people I've met who helped me stand back up.
i feel you about worrying im a ‘trans trender’. im non binary, and i was on the internet around 2014 when reactionaries started making ‘trans trender cringe’ videos. it’s like a tumor in the back of my brain, this worry. im so happy you found people to help you, best of luck to you girl!
I had a similar experience. I was comfortable in my non-binary identity and was even somewhat open about it with my classmates before being absorbed in truscum culture, which pushed me all the way back into the closet. That was when I was 15, and even though I'm 20 now, I still feel so much confusion about my gender identity. Slowly but surely I have learned to be more open-minded about gender and accepting of those who don't fit in or don't want to fit in to society's idea of what gender is, but the damage is still here.
Do you know what doesn’t personally give me dysphoria as a genderfluid nb? My body. Do you know what does? Being told my body is inherently female, or that it is inherently cis. Because that causes me to view my body in a way that feels completely unnatural, and identifies my most in a way that his foreign from my sense of self. When you read the post and I hear “the safety of your cis body” I literally gagged on the bagel I was eating. I felt a wave of complete disgust and terror with myself. And, as someone who also has dissociative issues, as a lot of trans people have, it was such a mega trigger. I bounce back fast, I’m lucky. But this post feels literally targeted to trigger certain non-binary people dysphorias to make them feel like shit, all while denying those dysphorias actually exist. The original post is sick. Honestly.
you'll always be perceived asa cis women so you'll never experience the violence trans people have to. ur feelings arent more important than the violence and murder others experience
Hard agree. I'm nonbinary too, and I don't typically have dysphoria but I do have gender euphoria around some things and social situations. But the rare instances I feel dysphoria are like what you describe, though perhaps not as extreme as you describe but still very much distressing and upsetting to have my dysphoria set off.
When I read " you're making them hate us" my brain basically shut down from there...the implication being that just EXISTING AS THEY ARE is somehow harmful to the trans community as a whole! I've only recently heard about binary trans thinking and wow, way to just shut the door behind you in the face of friends huh?
I relate to this so hard. I do have dysphoria regarding my chest, but I feel like it's lessened in the past few years since realizing I was enby. I still very much contemplate top surgery or an aggressive breast reduction if I ever get the funds. I've asked myself how I would feel if I'm never able to have surgery at all. Would I be able to handle having breasts for the rest of my life? The answer to that is, basically, yes. Because despite the dysphoria around really just one part of my body, the more time that goes on, I know that I am non-binary. I don't identify with any gender at all. It's simply who I am and always have been. I, like you, focus on my euphoria. Using gender neutral pronouns, dressing androgynously (or at least attempting to lol), knowing every single day that I'm afab but not a woman, that reinforces my identity. What absolutely kills me, though, and what keeps me in the closet in my daily life, is being seen as a cis woman and being told I am. It's incredibly hurtful to me. I had the same reaction, and I also struggle with dissociative issues, so I also feel that extra hard. And these are the reasons why I'm only out to very, VERY few people in my personal life. I'm not even out to my mother or closest friend of twenty years because I'm terrified of being told the exact same thing. Hell, I've had *other* trans people tell me I'm not actually non-binary, I'm cis. It fucks with you, and it's hard to let go of that. That post was just incredibly cruel. I'm a huge fan of Euphoria, and Jules is my favorite character because I can relate to her on some levels. The post wasn't written by Hunter and I'm not even writing her off as a transmed because she liked the post, but as a trans person who respects her, and really felt seen and represented in some way by her character (even though we're two completely different types of trans people), that just hurts. And it's not even so much that it's Hunter liking the post, the fact that this is an attitude held by some in the trans community just makes me feel alone. It doesn't make it any easier to be out and proud as an enby if this is the attitude that's popular. It fucking sucks, man.
Literally, I had such a visceral reaction. I'm non-binary but it's not a "luxury" to not choose a binary lol. And the idea that we exist "safely" in the bodies we're assigned at birth?? Like that's not the case for all of us but even for the ones who are comfortable with their bodies and gender presentation, why should they feel bad for it??? It just antagonizes every little part of non binary experiences which also throws many trans people under the bus.
The biggest piece of evidence against the post in question is that the vast majority of these anti-trans bills are also trying to outlaw, or at least heavily disincentivize, social transition.
When it comes to surgery, I think its also worth noting that cis children can also receive it as well. Things like rhinoplasty and ear pinning are available to children in order to decrease distress caused by their appearance. People express their identity and their relation with their bodies in a myriad of ways and there is no right or wrong way to do it and essentialism is rarely useful for anything, let alone how one chooses to express their identity
don't forget mastectomy done to boys with gynecomastia is fine and dandy or hell circumcision itself and genital reconfiguration of intersex babies. We're surrounded by surgeries done to children based solely on aesthetic preference, sometimes even forced uppon them.
basically it seems that they only want trans people to exist if they are invisible as possible and don't disrupt the sexist dichotomy social hierarchy... kind of like what they do in Iran
Unrelated, and I’ve said this a thousand times before, but: Jessie, blue is absolutely your colour! The streak in your hair, the glasses, the shirt with that vest (and the earring, your nails, etcetc)… I could go on and on. You look so pretty 💙 and another great video.
Seeing that transmedicalist rant honestly made my chest tighten. I came out last year at the grand old age of 38 as queer and non-binary. Although I was afab and frequently have a more femme presentation, I have body dysphoria which some days can cripple me to the point of being unable to get out of bed. I'm wary about coming out to new people after reading a lot of very harsh opinions from a transmedicalist perspective and worrying that they'll start getting angry or aggressive :( Anyway. I'll keep being me nonetheless. On a different tangent, I absolutely cannot believe that "before" Jessie is you! What an incredible transformation
About trans generations : I do feel the younger trans people now have a very different experience of what I did as a now almost 29 years old trans masc. Because trans affirmative healthcare and laws have changed A LOT in the past 10 years, where I live anyway. It was just so much harder and very strict about enforcing gender roles… while maintaining our bodies visibly trans for a longer time. And lol excuse me Hunter but I’m genderqueer and medically transitioning it’s just… ouffff Going back there is just terrifying
@@Fffjfgh In defense of @Jesse Gender there is A LOT of text in this and a lot to unpack. Even I missed the explicit text stating what you said. It is implied in the text that she's not talking about people who medically transition but have a NB identity. When it says Cisgender bodies for example. It's easy to miss that part.
@@Fffjfgh It's possible that an enby could have body dysphoria, but they may not want to medically transition. Likewise, an enby who does want to medically transition may not have overwhelming dysphoria - they might choose to medically transition because of the gender euphoria it brings. There are soooo many ways to be trans. Being angry at those who choose not to medically transition for any reason, or being mad at trans people who experience dysphoria differently/understand their gender through euphoria instead of dysphoria, is a waste of energy and harmful for the community as a whole. The writer of the original tweet's feelings are valid but focusing that frustration on the smallest minority in your own community is not productive
@@Alex-pn2hnI’m enby (genderfluid) and I *do* have dysphoria, but transitioning to relive that dysphoria could cause me different dysphoria. I’m happy to hear someone acknowledge that you can have dysphoria but not want to transition :)
Marginalized people fighting other marginalized people, is a deliberate feature of our society. So many examples in our near and distant past, demonstrate this. It keeps the status-quo in place. This along with social inertia keeps us in our place. Keep informing us Jessie.
....... Or? Or maybe cis people who previously were all in support of trans people aren't anymore and you are out of touch with reality and Hunter is right completely?? No????? K.
part of me feels like transmed views has made me think seeing myself as a trans man is wrong since i most likely cant ever medically transition or even look somewhat masculine. like im still struggling with thinking im "not trans enough" hence why i usually just call myself trans masc and/or non-binary
You aren't wrong for aligning with your preference. It's about what makes you feel good, not others. Don't be afraid to stand your ground and be yourself!
I'm a trans guy who desperately wants to physically transition, but am unable to due to medical issues. That doesn't stop me from being a trans man. What it does do, unfortunately, is make it much harder for my friends and family to truly see me as I am... it's been years since I came out, and they *still* frequently misgender me. It's a frustrating - and often painful - position to be in, for sure. But don't let your ability/inability to transition in the way that's right for you impact your sense of who you are. You're still you, even if the world seems unable/unwilling to see who you are. Hang in there.
Thank you for this Jessie. It’s wild to me as a non-binary person who is actually currently undergoing medical transition that people can look at right wingers and think that they are listening to us… I’d also like to point out that transmedicalism is more likely to push people into unwanted medical procedures - if your sister for instance (or other people who are questioning) had been told that she had to take hormones and get surgery or was not trans she’d have been more likely to do it rather than just feeling comfortable exploring more social aspects first. Transmed views discourage safe exploration for people who are questioning that forces them either back into the closet or into medical treatments before they are ready (if they even want them at all) by enforcing another kind of binary
*sigh* Can't we just be happy for those of us who do NOT need a surgery to live a happy life? I'm non-binary, and while I don't suffer from dysphoria (or at least not in a strong way), I do want to get top surgery, because my breasts for me are just a burden I do not need to carry around. I never liked them, I never asked for them, I don't want them. But the thought that I have to get surgery to get rid of them isn't a nice thought. And it doesn't feel good to think about it. It's stress for the body, stress for myself (social anxiety), and it'll probably hurt, and yeah - every surgery is a risk. So I'm happy for everyone who DOESN'T has to go through this. Can't we celebrate those who have it easier and be happy for them? Is that too much to ask? Instead of fighting among ourselves?
I was debating whether or not to comment on the vid, but you've captured more or less my feelings so I'm just going to second this. Personally I've wanted my chest gone for 25 yrs, uterus gone even longer. But I have so many problems from both at this point that the risks of surgery would be like dousing a fire with gasoline. If people are able and healthy enough to get surgery, awesome. If people either aren't able/healthy enough or don't feel surgery is necessary for them, also awesome. Can we all just be given basic decency and respect and be allowed to fucking exist...
Jessie, i am a 55 year old nonbinary trans. You were the one who educated me on this. I just thought i was weird. Thank you. PS i am also against transmedicalism and didn't even know it was a thing until you.
"You challenge gender ideologies from the safety of a cis body that requires no medical treatment." Okay, that is so infuriating to me. I am nonbinary. I have dysphoria!! My body is not cis because I am not. I'm so tired of transmeds.
obviously there's a lot wrong with the initial statement but what just stood out to me is how nonbinary people are considered a (non-dysphoric) monolith. there are nonbinary people who don't transition medically at all and there are nonbinary people whose transitions are pretty much identical to those of binary trans people. as a nonbinary person who really wants to get surgery+possibly hrt but can't because of poor trans healthcare ressources in my country portraying nonbinary people as "living comfortably in cis bodies" just seems entirely untrue
@@Fffjfgh seems kinda like a cope out by her. Kinda like ending a racist rant with “of course, not all black people are like that, I’m only talking about those who are like that”. At least, that’s the impression I’m getting.
I’m cis and I’m gonna be honest, I still struggle with fully understanding and accepting the non binary part of the trans umbrella. It’s just very confusing and complicated to fully wrap my mind around which is why I’m so glad that there are videos like these to help me educate myself as much as possible. I would never stand in the way of anyone’s rights but I’m not gonna pretend that some ideas are not a little tougher for me to understand especially since I can’t relate to trans issues from a personal perspective. I truly hope that more and more people will at least try to educate themselves on trans issues because it’s important for our society. There’s so much judgment and even hatred towards trans people from cis people who either don’t or completely refuse to understand. I don’t want to be one of those people so I will continue doing my best to educate myself. Thank you for making this video Jessie.
I love this comment! As an AFAB person who firmly believed I was cis to a someone who is starting to question my gender identity, it is a solid journey to try and understand being nonbinary. As time goes on though, I find myself getting it more. Have you ever put on a piece of clothing that you bought with your own money and that looked fucking amazing on you? Or have you ever felt like going somewhere to eat but you could eat everything, doesnt really matter that day cause youre just feeling food? Thats how gender is to me. I have never felt dysphoric about my body or how I look. Never have had body issues, even as an Asian who was constantly picked on for my eye size. I have never really cared about negative things people say to me. But things HAVE made me feel happy / euphoric and instinctively right. Wearing clothes to me is just wearing whatever I want - I get euphoria wearing pretty dresses and make up because I feel cute! I also get feel amazing wearing masculine clothing and being told Im handsome! Both of these extremes are just me being me. Of course doing these things dont make me one gender or the other, but I find that other people’s perception of me grants me euphoria too bc it matches this weird identity in my mind. For example, when people get confused. When my mom calls me “son” on accident, I feel … good. When people see my fashion drastically change, I feel good. When people use they/them I feel good. When I look in the mirror and see someone who isnt any gender, I feel amazing because I have options. But if Im called a girl, a woman, I dont really mind either. Its not like I care about their perceptions much, its just that having them reinforces my pre-existing debacle with gender. I see my “gendered” parts as accessories. Breasts can be bound or full out. Its just… Like. More clothes for me! 😂. It all feels so… like. Meh. What I was saying earlier about food - its like, eh. I could go for all of em, but I love the idea of having options of how Im perceived and how I perceive myself. Idk why Im typin this, but maybe my perspective can help you in understanding more of a nonbinary perspective - that its not about just mixing gender roles or being androgynous, but about perception of self mainly. Even on days where I present fully femme and im calling myself a girl, I still really love just having the option of basically going back to the character editor like in a video game, and changing that just for funsies. I feel constantly like being boxed in to a role is constraining, even if Im comfortable in that role, if that makes sense.
This whole transmedical thing has me really messed up I've been identifying with trans identities since I was like 15 (and being uncomfortable as being seen as a "girl" since as far back as I can remember) , but somehow I'm still worried "I'll grow out of it" despite literally being a full grown adult,just because I don't think my expirence is 100% binary trans .
Buck Angel probably had a miserable time transitioning and won’t stop unless everyone else has as miserable of a struggle as he had. That being said, this was a lovely and empathetic video as always and I just hope people can learn from how you approach things.
About ten years ago I finally began to accept myself as trans, after years of suppressing it. I first found acceptance in the kink community after coming out 2 years later. Over the years I have faced many health issues due to my weight. These health issues caused me to delay hormone treatment, despite desperately wanting to be on hormones. This video is reming me of the judgement and prejudice I faced at my first kink munch in Spokane WA. The group immediately thought I was a cross dresser simply because I wasn’t on hormones. I felt really dejected and closed myself off from the kink community in Spokane. Unfortunately not everyone can I have the ideal health, medical insurance and stable housing to begin HRT. I am happy to say I am on hormones and have been for three years and one year since my orchiectomy come November. I want to lose more weight before I move towards vaginal surgery.
Transmedicalism is a big reason I didn't transition until my late 30s. I didn't experience gender dysphoria for most of my life. Not knowing any better at the time, I thought that meant that I couldn't be trans and that the persistent fantasies of being a woman were just that: fantasies. It wasn't until I did finally start transitioning that the dysphoria came a-calling. Had I been exposed to more diverse trans experiences at a younger age, particularly the idea that gender dysphoria was not a requirement for being trans, I might have transitioned much earlier in my life and wasted a lot less time being miserable (about this one thing anyway, plenty of other things to be miserable about 😅). Looking forward to the next Matt Walsh and The Boys videos! Love from Canada. 💖💊🧑⚕🌈🏳⚧
As an enby who is pursuing hrt because I've realized I'll never feel completely myself in an unaltered male body, and who does have dysphoria around my beard and a generalized discomfort with living in a T dominant body, thank you for this video. I'd feel the same way if I had no dysphoria and didn't want to pursue any changes.
I am not familiar with Hunter Schaefer or her work, but it's sad to see a well known and liked trans person possibly have these harmful views. Kicking down people you feel aren't 'trans enough' will never make things better. Also, transphobes hate us regardless. So why try and appease them instead of standing beside your lgbtq siblings?
"from the safety of a cis body that requires no medical treatment" I am a nonbinary person who had top surgery as part of my transition. It's weird to think that no nonbinary people medically transition when that straight up isn't true. Though that being said, medical transition DOES NOT determine whether someone is 'really trans' or not. I'm just noticing what's being assumed about nonbinary people in that post, and why it might be left implied rather than outright stated.
First of all, Jessie, you are not Old. I am 56, I am an Old. [g] Second, your videos have helped me so much to understand trans identity and issues and to be able to identify as trans myself. I am genderqueer, I present as femme (lazy femme, as I like to say), I have no physical dysphoria, but I've never fit into the Woman box. Honestly, if I did not have a very female body type (think Paleolithic goddess statues), I would probably dress more masculine at times. I like to describe my gender as "amorphous blob". (RIP Leela Alcorn)
Yup. If I didn't intend to get on hrt through a place which operates on informed consent transmedicalism would be making it harder for me to do the very thing transmedicalists insist is necessary to truly be trans. I'd probably have to pretend to be binary trans with heavy dysphoria to be allowed hrt via the standard process where I live.
@@Toni-lo9ms I started via informed consent too because of how hard it would have been otherwise. my doctor wouldn't even consider it without a bunch of hurdles.
it always saddens me when someone of a marginalized group deems it more prudent to appease the status quo by "playing by their rules", so much so that they will attack members of their own group.
Binary transgender people are not appeasing and playing by their rules. If anything we totally wreck their effing rules so hard they totally break. i.e. the TERF talking point "we can always tell". When you want to debunk that whose photos would you use... likely those of a transmedicalist. Especially an early transitioner.
Not-so-fun fact (I'm 35 min into the video): there was a lawsuit a while back (early 2000s? idk it was in my textbook) when a trans woman was incarcerated, and her lawyer used the ADA (disability law issues) to get her in the women's prison (as opposed to the men's), not the Title VII (which is for gender and race issues). I was perplexed at first, but ya want to know why her lawyer did that? Because she was diagnosed with gender dysphoria and was doing medical transition stuff, and the lawyer could more easily make the medical case to be gendered correctly under the ADA than Title VII back then. Isn't that wild? I hope it would be different now, but that's a legal precedent that allows transmedicalism to flourish.
Gatekeeping like this seems to always come from insecurity and misplaced anger. Bigots point to certain people in a group and say "well what about that person, they weaken your point therefore I won't respect you". Instead of focusing on the lack of respect part, the group turns inward and joins the oppressive class in targeting the subgroup. As an NB person who is ambivalent about medically transitioning, transmedicalists have always come across as trans uncle toms to me.
Your point at 19:50 hit me so hard. I'm nonbinary transmasc and had my first gender affirming surgery this spring, and it wasn't the cure some people think of it as. It's just a part of my healthcare, and if anything helped me realize I needed to pursue transition further.
I didn't realize how much it meant to me to have binary trans people call out transmedicalist ideas and how it vilifies NB folks until I saw both you and Kat Blaque speak out about this. I do feel like binary folks treat me like I'm not really trans because I don't get medical care and that leaves me to not feel accepted by either cis or trans people and that really hurts. Thank you for making this♡ it seriously means so much to feel supported when someone I looked up to co-signed something that that is so hurtful to me and many others like me. Thank you, Jessie ♡♡
Just to address the "oh god i'm old now" part at the beginning - that's what the patriarchy WANT'S you to think. Patriarchal systems rely heavily on generational connectivity and divides. The privileged - the "good" - get to pass their legacies on from father to son smoothly and with perfect fidelity. Things ideally stay functionally the same from generation to generation, ad infinitum. How to know you're "bad" in this scenario is to have a lot of generational infighting, almost always (but not exclusively) from "the rebel youth". And while this system can impart a certain amount of stability, it is also narrow-minded and inflexible. It very often (but again, not always) casts the young as problematic, unless entirely submissive to The Way Things Have Always Been, and that is only the beginning of its problems. A much more functional system for today's world would be to consider everyone who is alive at the same time to be part of a single "generation", and that it is everyone's responsibility to help create a stable legacy for future generations. So, you aren't old - you're just approaching the middle of your generation, and so have some time to look back on. That is an INCREDIBLE advantage when it comes to legacy building, NEVER feel bad about it.
I Love how you push back on trans medical-ism in such a detailed and nuanced way!!! You are always such a class act!!!!!!!! Also thank you so much for your continued vocal support of NB folks because they are catching so much hate from so many different corners of the political landscape and of course they deserve nothing more than the utmost love, respect, and validation from all of us!!!!!!!
Thanks Jessie for this topic! I've actually wanted to know more about the idea of transmedicalism, and only knew that it was a problematic viewpoint that someone like Blaire White tends to have. As I'm a cis male, I feel an obligation to understand all of these issues as much as I can.
frankly, if you want to learn about a particular ideology, it often helps to talk with the people holding that ideology or at least read what they write. Because, quite frequently, people from the outside tend to overlook the actual intricaties and therby, when relaying, give a distorted image. Jessies definition of transmedicalism, for example, does not match at all with how the transmedicalists I have spoken too understand their viewpoint.
The original post reminded me of the controversy surrounding Dave Chapelle’s entry into the terf rhetoric. He was strongly implying that transness is an inherently white thing, and the Internet continued this by centering white transness. OP was treating the non-binary population as an inherently white phenomenon, and then using Black transwomen as this accoutrement to the rant. I personally don’t care that my being a non-medically transitioning genderfluid person pissed OP off. I personally don’t care that Hunter Schaffer appeared to co-sign the sentiment. What gets me is this overall trend of using marginalized communities as abstractions to back up baseless attacks without acknowledging the material experiences/ boiling them down into symbols without humanity.
Also like, I combed through OP’s Instagram to see if maybe this was just a moment of being overcome with anger and it’s not. They view non-binary people as inherently white afabs with blue hair and pronouns.
It's another political objectification tactic. You see she doesn't point to any specific trans voices/orgs to listen to, or bring up by specific issues. (And most of the nb people I know personally are poc, myself included.) Instead she uses "Listen to Black trans women" to add legitimacy to her own voice and paint herself as being in the right and silence her imagined (white) nb opposition. She really is saying "Listen to [my white ass] and silence them"
@@redmage5251 Well but as long as we keep at the current gender system everyone who doesn't feel defined by a binary definition of things, is going to be branded as non normal. Gender is a thing that has existed for ages, and it has been redefined by many people many times, I don't understand why we could not do the same, and make people feel more at home in society
I really hope Hunter can take back or clarify this because I really love her acting and representation, and I was/am excited to see more of it coming up. I’m also sad to see any part of the queer community turn on itself or work to splinter the community to try and take some heat off themselves. We’re strongest together and always have been. Enbies and GNC trans aren’t the reason bigots hate trans people, and just like other avenues of oppression - when unmasked, transphobes will turn on binary trans people, medically transitioning people, post-op, passing, and even stealth people. Transphobia’s end goal isn’t just to make everyone conform to the gender binary, it’s to eliminate trans and intersex people and prevent anyone from straying from prescribed at birth sex and assigned gender. It’s like that quote/poem about how “first they came for the socialists…” but replaced with enbies, and still ending in “and when they came for me, there was nobody left to speak for me”. I don’t stand with transmedicalist beliefs but I hope we can eventually have queer unity and support each other. It’s sad to see the mistaken belief that non-binary trans people have an easier time in cissexist society when the opposite is true so much of the time. Early on, I definitely had a ton of internalized transphobia and transmed beliefs, to the point that I decided to start my transition slowly and kind of pass through nb trans femme on my way to binary trans woman. I thought I could relieve my discomfort and explore femininity while still having some safety and reaping some benefits of maleness. Instead I’ve honestly had a more confusing and difficult transition with few uses for boymode and few benefits from doing so. To be fair, I do still have the ability to boymode and more or less pass as male if I try, and I do still use it for people I haven’t come out to, potentially dangerous situations, and to an extent for job searching. But honestly, I’m not sure why I’m doing so anymore. Even years from now I suspect I could still pass for male with some effort if I need to, and trying to do so may not benefit me in the long run if I plan to come back there as myself. And furthermore, more importantly, this wrong belief that enbies have it easier and going GNC has made my transition harder and has hampered the relief of my dysphoria. I’ve been scared and uncomfortable trying out traditionally femme things like clothes, makeup, voice, etc. and I think my gradual method has made it that much harder and more uncomfortable. Coming out to people slowly has also made it that much more difficult when I do come out - either the constant risk of accidentally being found out by parents/acquaintances/etc. or the anxiety of trying to come out to people after hiding it so long. Contrary to what I thought, the more I be myself, the more I just embrace all the feminine things and presentation I actually want, the more comfortable and confident I feel, and subsequently the better I pass (problematic, I know, but I still want to) and the less negative attention I get. Coming out to people is still difficult but it’s so rewarding to not have to hide it and seeing how many people still accept me now. And also, the more I move towards my transition goals, the more comfortable and gender euphoric I feel and the dysphoria goes away. It’s easier than ever to incorporate things I felt scared and self conscious of - more noticeable makeup, dresses and skirts, practicing my voice - compared to when I was first starting and even a pair of women’s jeans took me weeks to wear out in public. Internalized transmedicalism has harmed me, maybe not as much as internalized transphobia, but shockingly more than people’s behavior towards me when I’m out and visibly trans. That is still my biggest surprise because I expected so much pushback when coming out, so many dirty looks and being barred from gendered spaces, so much resistance from medical professionals. So fuck transmedicalism, fuck transphobia, and I hope transmedicalists are able to move past their bigoted beliefs and internalized hate. I don’t want to hate transmeds or other queer people that gatekeep other queer people because they hate themselves enough, and I think ultimately we’re on the same side. We have enough enemies, enough bigotry, and enough division to deal with that we don’t need to create more. And god, I hope Hunter isn’t a transmed because I still want to enjoy Euphoria without thinking about this…
Hi Jessie. Apparently unfortunately Kim Petras has also been repeating transmedicalist views as well. I haven't really done much research because I just found out while watching this from a friend, but I thought I'd tell you about that
My girlfriend insists she is a transmedicalist. However, she assumes that means "person who thinks transitions should be covered by insurance" AND NOTHING ELSE. It has been very difficult trying to explain to her why A) people would have a problem "with that" and B) attempt to convince her she isn't a transmedicalist. I get her confusion, if I only saw the word that's probably what I might think it means, but I'm glad videos like this exist lol Maybe this'll help.
Another video? Yay! I wasn't expecting one! Does anyone in the trans community still pay attention to Blaire White? I thought the transmedicalists were mostly discredited, but it looks like they're coming back. I'm already tired of them. No, that's wrong. I'm tired of the people in power who create the circumstances that produce these views.
I don’t understand Blaire White. I feel like she has decided to side with conservatives and transphobes in an attempt to protect herself (“I’m not like the other trans people!!”)
As an Old Trans at 32, yes. You are of the elders now, Jessie. Your ceremonial robe will be arriving within the next 5-7 business days. In all seriousness, though, this was a great discussion. It's so frustrating that people refuse to acknowledge that pathologizing trans identities is exactly what's going to push people toward transition steps that might not be right for them. It betrays the fact that it's just about stopping trans people from existing, they don't actually care about well-being.
Jessie, thank you! ❤️ I am or at least was what you're calling a "transmedicalist, " and your video made me a little uncomfortable, but I think that's a good thing. I'm trying to open my mind and see things from other people's experiences and perspectives, because mine were shaped in a very different time. I'm a woman and was in my mid 20s when I first socially and hormonally transitioned back in the 1990s, and had gender affirming bottom surgery in 2004 - though back then it was called SRS and then later GRS. My first experiences with other trans people were not positive at all. Most of the people at the support groups in the 90s and early 2000s were pretty much older than me, were not living as women, were not planning on transitioning and many (but not all) were socially and sexually aggressive and predatory. I was hoping to find people like me who wanted to pass and assimilate into cis society. I felt VERY uncomfortable around most of the people in those support groups, and after I finally found and made friends with another woman closer to my age who was also transitioning, I quit going to those groups. I did not want other people to experience me in the same way I experienced them, and for a long time those experiences had a really negative impact on how I saw trans people who were not socially and probably medically transitioning. over the last few years I've been realizing that my view on trans has been pretty narrow and frankly, transphobic and am trying to grow, heal and be better I've got a ways to go, but your video is helping me process all of this So thank you, and please keep making videos! ❤️
i would like to quote Leslie Feinberg from hir book _Trans Liberation: Beyond Pink or Blue_ (published in 1998): “I have heard an argument that transgender people oppress transsexual people because we are trying to tear down the categories of male and female. But isn't this the same reactionary argument used against transmen and transwomen by those who argue that any challenges to assigned birth sex threaten the categories of man and woman? Transgender people are not dismantling the categories of man and woman. We are opening up a world of possibilities in addition. Each of us has a right to our identities. To claim one group of downtrodden people is oppressing another by their self-identification is to swing your guns away from those who really do oppress us, and to aim them at those who are already under siege.” [in this quote, Feinberg is using “transsexual” to mean binary trans men and trans women who have medically transitioned, and “transgender” as an umbrella term to mean anyone who exists outside cisnormative views of gender, including nonbinary people, binary trans people who don’t medically transition, and even gender non-conforming cis people, such as drag queens or kings]
( Super glad you're talking about transmedicalism. For a long time I was trapped in that bubble of transmedicalism, and therefore had a lot of self-hatred/internalized transphobia and was transphobic to other trans people in a bout of projection. It's like a saying I've heard before, first from a Philosophy Tube video, originally from an essay called "Anti-Semite and Jew." “If the Jew did not exist, the Antisemite would invent him.” I interpret it as such, "if the presumed threat or affront did not exist, the threatened would invent him." While not quite the same I think it still holds true, in that the threatened transmedicalist is so scared by a nonexistent problem that they will invent it by projecting it onto someone. Those who are victim to the projection have their actions twisted, from being progressive and fighting for community-wide acceptance to actively harming the trans rights movement. I like to visualize it as one of those school projectors. When you stand in front of it, your image are immediately altered to reflect what is being projected. However, when you turn it off, you see what's actually there. So, personally, I think we should turn off the projector and focus on the war happening outside of the classroom. Edit: Yes, I am Jewish, before there's a comment made on the nature of that quote. )
Omg! I'm still blown away by how incredible you look! As a ginger trans girl myself with some similar facial features to you, your results really gives me hope. You've always been sort of quirky cute but damn girl, you've jumped right to lovely!
I want to preface this by saying I'm cis and I don't pretend to have any kind of up close understanding of the trans or enby experience. I tend to have a problem with any group that thinks they can limit the self-expression or self-determination of other people. The idea that everything needs some kind of standardized label that we can all easily access (ie. trans means these things, gay means these things, bi means these things, enby means these things) when the life experiences of different people who don't fit a predefined mold. I'd be really happy if people could just define themselves however they feel is appropriate for them, and if the medical community could just provide the medical care that is indicated by the individual experience of the presenting patient, whatever that happens to be. I know that's a big ask in today's world but it seems to me that this would be the best way the country that is supposed to exemplify personal freedom could approach this issue.
I used to be a trans medicalist. I sort of get the position that ideal world for nonbinary people (Kind society where asking one's pronouns and respecting them is basic decency) and ideal world for binary trans people (access to quality healthcare that helps with passing well enough that others affirm your gender automatically more often than not) are not the same and they can obviously discuss these issues with one another and with others. But I don't really agree anymore that nonbinary people aren't 'helping' and transmedicalist viewpoints really seem close to the 'LGB alliance' stuff for me. Just willingness to throw away one group of allied people if it buys you a little more 'tolerance' (or rather begrudging acceptance) via conformism.
I have come to believe that there are at least several ways in which a person can come to the realization that they're trans for some people it's a very medical issue for some people it's a spiritual or philosophically isuss ... I think it's important to recognize that while the needs of those different groups may not be identical they are never contradictory and all these people are still trans ( the mechanism behind their transness being mainly of relevance to their own mental health and when being )
You still don't get it though. These "ideal worlds" are not separate. Many nonbinary people, myself included, DO pursue medical transition. Many binary trans people do not, or do not to an extent that transmedicalists would approve of. Even drawing this distinction as if nonbinary people and binary trans people are separate groups with non-overlapping needs perpetuates this thinking.
@@alexisvl3253 Oh, I realize nonbinary doesn't mean no transition, nor does binary mean they will transition. Life isn't clear-cut like that. Tendencies exist, however, and sometimes the best you can do explaining an issue is describe a tendency.
I'd like to add that there are plenty of binary Trans people who don't care about passing or are even unable to pass for whatever reason. And that those worldviews seem to be built on what I hear mostly from white Trans people and that a lot of Trans people of color (especially Black Trans people) have different views on transness due to the fact that our binary genders don't include properly as they were built to uplift white people and Eurocentric features. I myself can't speak to that world view as I myself am white but it's a layer of nuance a lot of us don't think about a lot. I myself don't care about passing past what us generally safe, but being disabled means that I will likely not be able to pass unless I am able to get every surgery out there, which my disabilities could be affected by. That's another side people often forget about, that disabled Trans people also have their own views on transness most times because of how our disabilities might react to the mainstream way of transitioning
"willingness to throw away one group of allied people if it buys you a little more 'tolerance' (or rather begrudging acceptance) via conformism" is an EXCELLENT way to sum up what makes certain views inherently shitty
I am a nonbinary trans person in an AFAB body, and when I first started having gender dysphoria a few years ago, it was like I could feel my body for the first time (I have issues with dissociation as well). I went through a lot of phases of research about what I wanted to do, but it was ultimately discovering and unmasking my Autism that changed my viewpoint on gender entirely. The socialization that existed in me went so much further beyond gender. It was every aspect of my life. And for me, knowing these two things were intertwined, it helped me embrace who I am without always worrying about medical stuff. I knew it would be too much of a change for me: I can barely cut my hair without having a depressive episode. Transmedicalists are not only taking away my identity as a trans person, but they are erasing the gender struggles of disabled people. I hope they look inward in see that who they are truly harming is themselves.
Afab... medically transiting to a more masculine body. But im nonbinary. I do identify as trans because I AM TRANSITIONING away from the gender I was born as. I love you Jessie!! Not in a parasocial relationship type way. But I look up to you in the way you speak up for yourself and other. THANK YOU SO MUCH!! For being you🌻💛
This whole thing has shades of Respectability Politics, particularly among racial minorities. The reason Black people are persecuted is because you're not acting white enough. You're not talking like white people, wearing your hair like white people, dressing like white people. You're being noticeably Black. If you just act the way they do, they wouldn't be oppressing you. Which was, is, and always will be total BS. This sounds like the same kind of thing. The problem is not the oppressors or the systems of oppression that have been constructed around us. The problem is the people who aren't conforming to what the oppressors want. If you would just medically transition and try to conform to one gender like "everybody else" [citation needed], then we wouldn't be persecuted. It's essentially gendered version of appeasement. Hitler's making a lot of noise about the Sudetenland; maybe if we just let him have it, he'll stop. He didn't stop. Because *they never stop.* Appeasement does not work.
This makes me so frustrated. I'm a binary trans man and have been since I was a very young child, but I cannot possibly understand the logic behind the idea that nonbinary people are somehow invalidating our existence. In regards to human rights, I'm of the mind that we haven't won anything if our victory requires us to leave people behind along the way. And no, this isn't coming from someone who's just had the transition handed to him, I had to fight **so** hard to get to where I am today, but that doesn't blind me to the fact that nonbinary people are fighting just as hard and they don't deserve to have their struggles made worse by the people who should be their community. Edit: oh, and it was a LONG time before I was able to safely medically transition, I mean I first tried to come out as trans at age 11 and didn't go on T until 21. Even so, as an adult I found a small community that would refer to me with my chosen name and pronouns before I sounded or looked like a boy, even when I felt like I had to dress hyper-feminine in order to feel safe. The environment that those people cultivated for me made me feel so much more comfortable, and ultimately made my medical transition much less stressful because all that I had to worry about was the (already Herculean) task of actually being able to medically transition. If they had refused to treat me with basic human decency until I could medically transition, my life (which was already pretty difficult, even with their support) would have been so much more bleak.
The sign is a subtle joke. The shop is called "Sneed's Feed & Seed", where feed and seed both end in the sound "-eed", thus rhyming with the name of the owner, Sneed. The sign says that the shop was "Formerly Chuck's", implying that the two words beginning with "F" and "S" would have ended with "-uck", rhyming with "Chuck". So, when Chuck owned the shop, it would have been called "Chuck's Feed and Seed".
We also have to understand too, the doctors will use transgender patients who been diagnosed with a psychotic disorder’s disability to prevent them from get gender affirming care.
I appreciate this video as a NB person who doesn't experience dysphoria. The reason I am NB and not a cis woman is because I would literally forget I was a woman until I was reminded by outside factors. I realized women wasn't how I sow myself but how others sow me.
I don’t think I was ever properly explained what being transgender means, thus falling into transmedicalism ideology. Thank you for this educational video!
i knew i had a problem with stuff like 'theyfab' but i couldnt articulate why until this video. the post that started this is what happens when nonbinary people are treated as agab lite
I'm so glad you affirmed the notion of being transgender means you have deep understanding of your body and biology, since many people appose the thought because they feel the person has no clear sense of themselves and therefor are unreliable or "confused". I've read some on Quora for example who wouldn't wanna date a trans since they "feel unsure of themselves" when in fact it's usually the opposite. Usually, not always, but usually.
I appreciate you tackling this topic jessie because honestly when I read the first message I was honestly....confused? Trying to follow what the problem being pointed out was and what should be done? Especially not being trans or NB, wanted to make sure I was understanding what rhetorics are and arent harmful to share.
NB here who presents feminine. It’s been hard since I do present the way that I do, I’m pushed to be a “woman.” However I still get very dysphoric about my chest and when people use woman labels and concepts with me. Just because someone wears a chef’s hat doesn’t mean they are a chef. This whole idea of transmedicalism and having to “choose a side” makes it hard for us to just want to live and be respected. Let me look like a human cupcake in peace. Thanks
I wonder what people like her will think about me a person who can't have any medical intervention because of a pre existing medical condition . Unlike the tweet being in a " cis " body ( whatever thet is . I'm Jewish so we have "intersex" genders so ... ) Doesn't mean you have a body thet dosnt need medical attention and it doesn't mean thet medical condition don't effect my body and my gender . I don't want to take hormones . I don't want to because I take more then 12 meds a day . Dos it make me less trans ? More trans then a person thet doesn't want to take hormones for other reasons ? All of this under the unproven asamption thet an expensive understanding of gender somehow makes people with body dysphoria less deserving of medical care . And it doesn't . Just like the body positive movement didn't change the fact thet in some cases people with saver body dismorphia can and should have surgery as part of there treatment plan
I struggle a lot with feeling not valid because I look straight up like a girl and constantly called a girl but I am NB I’ve known I’ve been NB since I was a kid. Puberty was fucking hell. I lost my androgynous features and “became a girl” and today I realized that having surgery isn’t for me to become or to be NB. I just want people to call me using they/them. As much as I wish to get back to my androgynous features, I can’t and I’ve accepted that and having surgery scares me tbh
I'm not even nonbinary (well, I had a nonbinary denial phase but I'm pretty much just a binary trans girl) and that post of Hunter hurt my eyes and my soul... The rights of nonbinary people are a part of trans rights and saying otherwise is a fundamental misunderstanding of what the term "transgender" even actually means. Gatekeeping against the rights of non-cisgender people is transphobic in my view whether they are binary trans, not binary, or just sometimes identify within the binary. I haven't seen Euphoria and now that kind of just invalidates the reason I'd really consider watching it... 😥 I really hate that videos like this have to be a thing, but they're necessary things to talk about by somebody and I'm glad Jessie does it especially with the sincerity it's owed. I hardly have the patience to listen to or see it let alone would I to talk about it all to much for reasons I'm sure most other trans AND/OR nonbinary folks would understand.
Just a friendly reminder that those were NOT Hunter's words, or her post, that she only liked it. Jessie tried to be explicit about this, but I've seen a lot of comments attributing the post to Hunter. While a lot of the post was very bad, I could see why someone might like it for the end part of empowering black trans women (especially if they didn't read the rest too closely), so its possible that Hunter isn't a transmed. Just thought that might clarify a bit.
Huh. So that's now two people I know of who kind of hid in the enby community for a bit. (Hi, I'm a trans man who was afraid of being invalidated (due to being gaslit back into the closet HARD by an a-hole trans denier) so I hid in the cozy enby hive until I felt secure enough and validated enough to try the whole "I'm a trans man" thing again.) I still feel like I owe so much to the nonbinary branch of the community, for giving me the space to heal and reconfirm my gender identity without questioning it, and it's ridiculous that people want to say that branch "doesn't belong in the transes". From my experience nonbinary people are usually the ones who encourage discovering what your gender is even DOING and what it's shaped like! Also it helps people who are also neurodivergent, who tend to have non-average experiences with gender, discover themselves without stressing out as much about adhering to gender-norm presentation.
@811414182梦见 That might be what's happening here, I have a very hard time actually watching these kinds of videos because of how sensitive of a topic potential transphobia within the trans community is (though calling that just a potential is ignoring more blatant examples of it just being the case that some trans people are transphobic like Buck Angel and Blaire White are). But the problem still remains that she liked the tweet and that even if that is the case because of other portions of the tweet, which we kind of can't say it was, we're not her. Meaning we kind of can't know if she did or didn't just like it for those portions. And that's ignoring the possibility of her lying about it, but it'd be much more civil to assume she'd not lie about why she liked some tweet that's partially transphobic. Still though that does help some, it makes there be some wiggle room, and I sort of rushed to a conclusion... Kind of hard not to do in as marginalized of a community as the trans community is. It doesn't help when your own civil rights are considered debatable by people who obviously don't value compassion and don't place an emphasis on empathy for all people regardless of anything outside of beliefs that are hateful towards other people over whatever demographic they're in unless that demographic is overly socially conservative or downright fascist.
@@CathyRatty Hey I see you. I don't have to deal with people being transphobic towards me personally as a cis bi-person. It's okay to feel emotional and passionate when you've seen so many attacks to the community and experienced them first-hand. Here's some love from me, friend.
Thank you, just found your video/channel on my "for you" page. I'm non-binary and happy to not medically change anything about my body. I don't feel comfortable in the "societal norms" for my gender and get dysphoric as a result. Finding this? Helped me so much, thank you.
Am I the only one who finds this a bit classist? "Oh you can't afford these expensive hormone therapy or can't get a plastic surgery therefore you aren't trans" also, as an ally I'd prefer if people didn't try to do phalloplastys or vaginoplastys and all that unless they really have to. Those things will permanently mess you up, especially if you already have health issues that prevent you from transitional surgeries. And you have to get work on them done every few years. It's more dangerous to say kids/adults need to get surgeries like them to be fully Nb/trans. Because what if a surgery goes wrong on your crotch?? Trans people should do what's right for them, not a checkoff list of expensive surgeries they need to buy.
Nah, I'd say you're sort of on the money, at least under a healthcare system that makes you pay for all these surgeries out of your own pocket or wait years for them if they're publicly funded.
what’s really ironic is that the post says to listen more to black trans femmes (rightly so), but so many of them will likely be affected by their classist statements because they face economic racism. they don’t really care about the people they claim to champion for, they’re just using them as an excuse for their misplaced anger.
I've noticed that people who have easier access to gender-affirming care tend to also hold this view point, and alot of them tend be pretty isolated from the rest of the trans community. I had an 'friend' who was from the UK, where it's notoriously difficult to get get gender-affirming care, go on about how 'easy' it is to get all of the HRT and surgeries, just because it was easy for her, but she also knew someone in the system. She also went on a rant about an acquaintance of ours, saying that "there is a mental and physical aspect to being trans, and I think they only have the mental part" and thats when I realized she was a transmedicalist, and never mentioned I was non-binary until another friend asked me if he could bring it up. I want to medically transition, but I still don't like bring up being Non-binary to anyone that I don't absolutely trust, and sadly that includes some close family.
When you started talking about prescriptions that are prescribed to non-trans people, that made me think about how my younger brother, who has Klinefelter Syndrome, has to take testosterone regularly in order to regulate his mood. And because politicians hate the "transes", it's a Schedule 1 Drug and my mother, on his behalf, has to jump through hoops EVERY TIME my younger brother needs a refill for a medicine that he requires for a genetic disorder that he has to live with for the rest of his life.
I'm 100% a trans ally already, but that specific talking point hit home because you are absolutely correct that harming trans youth by restricting vital medicine like this has severe collateral damage.
Testosterone is a schedule IIIN controlled substance, NOT a schedule I drug.
And it's not scheduled because of its use in transition but because as an anabolic steroid it has a potential for abuse by athletes. Otherwise estradiol would be scheduled to and it's not.
@@sarahh3815 Fair point. As alluded to, it's my mother who handles my younger brother's meds, so I made a miscalculation if what you say is true.
That said, there is collateral damage as a result of barring medications that may be necessary for trans folk to transition and my blunder should not be taken as "there is actually no collateral damage".
@@SpellboundTutor I only meant my conment as a technical correction not to miniimalise the hassles of dealing with scheduled meds or that there's no "collateral damage". As someone with ADHD that relies on a schedule IIN med to function I know the struggle.
@@sarahh3815 Oh I know. I always get the sense that folks are gonna read these and assume that you "owned" me and that my entire argument is entirely worthless as a result.
When I said that, rest assured I was saying so in general, not necessarily to you.
There are also a lot more cis children taking blockers, afaik. The situation goes like this: a 9 year old cis girl starts going into puberty (btw, not so uncommon), she has a horrible time--taunted in school and so on. So the mom gets blockers for the kid. They start messing around with who can get them, and they start messing around with this girl, for instance. I don't know anybody, personally. But yes, has collateral damage.
Yes, all these conservatives who are strong supporters of non-binary people. Every time I turn on fox news they are just always talking about how awesome non-binary people are and how much they enjoy listening to their ideas.
tucker carlson actually paypals me 20 bucks every day because he just thinks nonbinary people are really cool
what??
dude are you kidding? Tucker Carlson No.1 enby ally, frfr/s
@@camfuentes986 They're being sarcastic
There's no such thing as non binary people.
By the way seeing the enemy (non-binary people) as simultaneously extremely weak (not really trans and not really and suffering from dysphoria ) and extremely powerful (able to convince all the medical establishment and the right wing of of medical transition being unnecessary ) is a huge red flag to right wing thinking..
Great point!
Not if the latter statement is factual. You are underestimating how annoying the non-binary movement is in it's approach. You have no idea what this issue looks like to someone on the outside. And you aren't finding that perspective in these comments.... So
@@LadyVandMrT what is the " non binary movement " ( besides saying non binary people are a thing ) and annoying is not actually a criticism of anything that is not entertainment . I am not sure how to be less annoying if the bad thing thet I do is exsit and sometimes inform other people of it
I believe it's one of the tenets of fascism.
@@admiralfrancis8424 it is . But because I didn't have enough info about the rest of the politics of the people Involved I used a more general " right wing " out of caution
Hate how that post ends with "listen to trans black women" as though there aren't nonbinary and binary trans black people who don't want or need to transition
exactly
Reminds me of Chappell saying that trans people should not get rights protected before black people.. completely erasing black trans people
Many incluiding myself have pointed out that at this point (pardon my redundancy) black trans women are solely used as tokens and talking points rather than actually sentinent human beings.
Even then, this echoes the racist thoughts of cis women who routinely shrug all of the women's rights stuff onto Black women, too. Why don't they get to have a break from arguing for their humanity? Why does the burden always have to fall onto Black women? Why do they have to shoulder the burden of fighting for their right to exist?
This kind of virtue signaling, the one where Black women are given the "reigns of the operation," usually leads to white women blaming Black women for the fallout when things don't go as well as they'd like.
These aren't my own experiences, my being white, but they are the (truncated) thoughts of one of my favorite activists, Imani Barbarin, and other women like her.
She is not a transmedicalist, she experienced gender disforya and she takes hornones, y'all misunderstood her and it shows
I’m afab non binary, I don’t care that much about what pronouns people use for me, I’m not interested in surgery or trying not to look afab, but I’m certainly not a woman. My gender has nothing to do with my body, and it has nothing to do with how others see me so I’m not concerned with changing any of that. Trans medicalism made it hard for me to figure out who I am and what I want. Thank you for talking about this :)
i feel the exact same way!
"I’m afab non binary, I don’t care that much about what pronouns people use for me, I’m not interested in surgery or trying not to look afab, but I’m certainly not a woman."
That's my SO right there.
@@laynie7459 ayy I’m not alone!!
Me too, sending you so much love
What makes you not a woman? Not like other girls? I’m not trying to attack you, I am myself trans, just really curious as it’s hard for me to understand people who do not seek medical transition, look like they agab yet say they’re not them. I unfortunetely saw a lot AFAB folks with extreme internalized misogyny issues whenever i asked them about not being a woman
It’s a shame that some people have so much internalized bias that they rationalize their own discrimination. “Trans people won’t be accepted if non-binary people exist” has the same ring to it as “gay people won’t be accepted if they’re kinky, polyamorous, too feminine/masculine, etc…”
Literally just justifying transphobia and kissing up to bigots, dude why cant people just target transphobes and not invalidate other trans people using gatekeeping tactics
also if nonbinary people didn’t exist, binary trans people would still face transphobia regardless so i don’t even get their overall point
I think it would be they won't be accepted because bisexuality and pansexuality exist. Like how dare someone like anyone regardless of their gender
That is not what is happening here. This is short sighted.
@@LadyVandMrT Lol explain further. You can’t just state that without pushing back?
i am a non-binary person and i come from a country where ther is no legal way to transition and it is extremely unacceptable publically, and yet i'm so proud that i identify as enby. when someone expresses that i as a non-binary person don't know the real gender dyshporia or even have a place to speak in the contemporary trans community it makes me experience insane amount of pressure, alienation and pain. every time i watch your videos i cry by some reason because of how much your content resonates with my deepest struggles, thank you for bringing actual education and awareness on topics that majorities usually just use to drive us all apart
Hey. I see you, and I just wanna say, those a-holes that say "you don't know real gender dysphoria" are, literally, gatekeeping by using a logical fallacy called the "No True Scotsman" fallacy.
Wikipedia breaks it down, but basically it's when something disproves what they think is true and instead of admitting they were wrong they go "TRUE [x] does/feels that" or "No TRUE [x] does/feels that".
They're not just a-holes for gatekeeping, but they're not even LOGICAL about it.
You're not alone!
Yes, we should stick together, because in the end we all have the same goal: Being our most authentic self, no matter how it looks like =)
You stay strong there, as Jem said, you're not alone and you're valid. My situation as an enby is probably very different from yours but if you ever feel like you need someone to talk to, I can offer my ear.
I come from a similar place. You are not alone. Stay strong!
Grow up
I remember watching a documentary about a group of I think 10 Trans children, they socially transitioned and the documentary followed their journey. In the conclusion of the documentary one of the children decided he wasn't trans, the comments were very focused on the one boy who changed his mind rather than the 9 who didn't. 🤦
Do you know the name?
@@airplanes_aren.t_real sorry it was about 10 years ago but it was a BBC documentary, it may have been an episode of Panorama
The BBC is anti trans and generally conservative although they pretend they are impartial . But that’s because in the UK there are laws of impartiality for TV but not newspaper’s . They also like a lot of media in other countries have reduced investigative journalism in favour of fluff pieces
@@miniroundaboutinbrum7915 I agree, it was an interesting documentary though
@@torroberts6622 I wasn’t trying to say it wasn’t worth watching. I guess the point I was making was more in response to the amount of time spent on the child who changed their mind rather than the other 9. Which makes sense if you realise how upper class and conservative the BBC is…
Side point, Scottish people are definitely not less concerned with gender-specific dress-codes. Calling a kilt a 'skirt' is considered pretty offensive if done in earnest, and will still almost definitely start a fight if it isn't immediately made a joke. I am Scottish, incidentally, sorry if this ruins your image of Scotland
I don't think it ruins it. When people bring out the kilt, or other cultural outfits that would be considered "girly" in certain places, it's not really to say "these cultures do not care about what is manly or not", but more to say "if what we consider a girl thing is seen as manly in certain cultures, and the other way around as well, what does it say about the construction of gender roles and expectations? Is anything inherently associated with a certain gender, or is it all only a result of the environment?"
I don't know if it made sense haha
EDIT: I think it's also important to note that I am not saying it's a good thing to reduce certain cultural garnments as "basically a skirt/dress/etc", I find that insensitive for other reasons.
@@duskianfae Exactly this. Comparing cultures can show clearly how gender roles and even gender itself is a social construct. It annoys me when Western people mistake Korea for being “queer friendly” because kpop boys don’t fit their idea of masculinity, thus they believe it must be some form of going against traditional gender roles. No one thinks that in Korea.
@@duskianfae , a kilt as a garment is certainly not "what would ben seen as girly in other cultures". The thick wool, leather sporran and occasional dirk leaves no doubt of the intended masculinity of the setup. I'm not Scottish, but I'd never mistake a kilt for "girly" outfit, it's just a different male national dress that the trousers worn with the national dress where I'm from.
But what doesn't start a fight in Scotland?
@@jackdoyle7453 , if you say "manly" the wrong way, it might ;-)
That original post cries ''pick me''. Imagine blaming enbies for conservatives bigotry, as if they don't hate binary trans people already.
exactly. they don't need a "reason" to hate trans people, they just hate us. it has nothing to do with whether or not we transition correctly or "pass". it's like claiming we'll succeed if we're the "model minority", but that is not the way to liberation and never has been
This is a statistical fallacy. Hunter is speaking about her issues being accepted by all sorts of people, and she is not wrong by suggested cis people, especially cis women, many of whom are fairly progressive people and NOT conservatives, are being turned off of supporting trans rights because of vocal minorities in the community.
@@LadyVandMrT Hunter herself did not make this statement and the post she liked explicitly mentioned red states no longer considering HRT and surgeries medically necessary because of what enbies have supposedly done. Conservatives in red states were never going to like trans people regardless of what enbies may or may not be advocating. Not sure what statistical fallacy you're talking about. You're saying Hunter said things that she didn't say and weren't even part of the original post she liked.
@@LadyVandMrT they’re not real allies or truly invested in liberation and acceptance for all humans if their support is conditional. These people are just looking for excuses and so should be challenged as to why. Secondly, why would that stop us from advocating for each other and continue to push back? It’s not like we had much acceptance in the first place. Like just keep doing the work, it’s not gonna end soon
@@sovannah9219 moving the goal posts fallacy. They would be allies, they are in support of trans policies, but now that women's rights are under major attack, they can't care to be inclusive to people who aren't even affected by the war on women.
Your reasoning is fallacious. You want to try to make allies out of every person, not say "well if you don't want to help us, we don't need you anyway!" Nothing gets done without support from the masses.
I'm a trans guy in Northern Sweden, I relate to what you said about trans people feeling like we have to do some kind of medical transition to be valid. I personally loved playing with makeup and wearing dresses. Not because I was a girl, but because I love theater. A part of me thinks that I can't wear makeup in public until I physically transition because then no one can erase my transness as if I'm actually pretending. Then I remember that in South Korea many men, regardless of sexuality, put time and effort into appearance, including wearing makeup. Gender expression and the limitations placed on these gender identities are fluid as they depend on culture.
I guess the only issue is that, although your gender isn't invalid by wearing makeup or dresses, people will see you as female and address you as such, which will presumably make you feel pretty shit :/. I waited until time had passed on T to grow my hair out again, not because men can't have long hair, but because I knew people would see longer hair and think "she". Obviously it's up to you to weigh up the benefits either end on what makes you more happy. Hope things work out
I feel like you end up with these kind of views by being told you’re the “good one”. Usually because you pass, transitioned younger, and are considered relatively attractive. As you don’t challenge hegemonic norms in quite the same way as NB people. Which Kim and Hunter certainly qualify as.
I mean, a certain trans lady basically made a career off of passing herself as the good trans online. To the point she went ahead and started to lie just to show people as the 'bad trans'.
@@kazikek2674 I will say though, you can “recover” from this pov. I’m super grateful I had no social media platform when I was 21. I would have been a hardcore trans med because my experience and the way transness was seen society writ large at the time lent itself to that belief. It was actually contrapoints who pulled me out of that way of thinking
no. I ended up with these views from the constant transmisogyny of the "trans community". constantly saying gender is only a social construct, trying to drive a wedge between us and the rest of society.
That may be part of it. I mean for a transmedicalist, who passes, or just blends in enuogh, and is binary daily life as a woman is an affirmation. It could be easy to feel that NB's cause their own problem, standing out, drawing attention, stirring controversy.
@@HontasFarmer80 transmeds dont need to put down enbys and act like enbys are a problem when theyre not and that by beating down enbies theyre pushing more cis normativity which will harm them.
"nobody in the world, nobody in history, has ever gotten their freedom by appealing to the moral sense of the people who were oppressing them" - assata shakur. trans rights will not be gained by making our community palatable to cis people
I don't think they are correct. I look at Ghandi as a simple counterexample
Yep, its just hurting yourself
Cis people are your oppressors?
Yes, that is literally the only way you will ever see change. Unless what, you want there to suddenly be no cis people? 90% of people are cis. Do you see the dilemma here.
Also, please stop using black peoples fight and history as part of yours. You have your own fight. Leave us out of it. I’m tired of lgbtq+ comparing their history with black people. They never refuse the opportunity to align themselves with or compare themselves to the history of Black Americans in the state even a lot of the time the people making the comparisons are white which leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
I don't watch Euphoria but I'm aware of Hunter Schaefer and, uh. Fuck that hurt to read. Speaking as a nonbinary person who has pursued medical transition, and been heavily gatekept by that system, being told that my existence is making it harder to access transition care distresses me deeply.
To any and all nonbinary people and/or trans people who aren't pursuing medical transition: You're valid. You are not the problem. I love you.
To anyone who holds transmed/truscum beliefs: I really hope you take that anger, examine where it's coming from, and then redirect it to transphobic systems upheld by cis people instead of at your own community. I hope you gain some insight and compassion for people who struggle under the same systems as you. I hope you learn to not immediately lash out at things you don't understand.
Why do you think someone who has transmedicalist views is inherently angry?
@@caseygreyson4178 I don't know calm people who are worried about how others are transgender tbh.
@@caseygreyson4178 why wouldn't we be angry
I think anyone who judges an individual by the public perception of a group they’re a part of is clearly an idiot, however you can still criticise the people who’s actions negatively affect other members of a group they’re a part of by presenting a group in a certain way without considering all of its members. This is why I think blaming nonbinary people or even non dysphoric trans people shouldn’t be the focus of transmedicalists, instead it should be promoting public awareness of dysphoria, and the suffering it causes. That doesn’t mean that people who present themselves as representatives of the trans community who don’t talk about dysphoria are justified in doing that though.
@@gregsplix8532 arguably they never were
i love that everytime a transmedicalist makes a post about nb people not having dysphoria/surgeries it simultaneuosly ignores and invalidates the experience of nb people who DO have dysphoria and surgeries and binary trans people who DON'T have gender dysphoria or surgeries. trans people aren't the same, everyone experiences gender their own way and it feels so illogical to think that everyone who's trans will approach their body the same way
exactly holy shit . EXACTLY .
I think the number of trans people who want surgery is small compared to trans who do not. In aggregate it appears like there are more than there really are. people who want to transition are being targeted. It's nobody's fault except those doing the targeting. In the olden days trans meant you wanted to transition. Not necessarily with drugs but it implied an intention for some sort of metamorphosis.
@@origamiandcats6873 so that's what you think. Do you have anything to back up that claim?
And why would it be inherently bad that some trans people don't want to go through surgery, hormones, etc?
@Brook, back up which thing I said?
If u dont transition why even say ur trans
Imagine blaming your own minority for your oppression. Wild.
She's said it's not all nb ppl. It's a specific kind that end up not trans after a while. It was triggered by a magazine spread on trans bodys that barely featured any 'binary' trans ppl. And trans women were left out by the photographer apparently purposely because these media outlets get more clicks etc probably from sensationalising trans with shock value etc. Apparently a friend of a person in the article said the person doesn't even identify as trans behind the scenes. Ppl like demi lovatos followers obsessed with correcting pronouns while trans ppl talking about healthcare is being ignored. Sam Smith is the face of trans in UK and they keep using Sam for division with stupid word debates. Someone actually trying to transition with way more challenges has less of a voice than extreme ppl on tik tok preaching gender theory that get the clicks and have become the face of trans.
Yeah... I'm so tired of transphobic trans people. Like genuinely sick of it.
VERY common - there are even pick me enbies who eagerly point towards "radical fake nonbinary activists" and to themselves as "true NORMAL nonbinary people"
And the craziest part is she's like "You made the majority in power do this to me." WHAT?! How does an even smaller minority manage to convince the majority to be oppressive?
@@MissKashira bc minorities learn punching down from the majority
Sometimes, I feel frustrated with binary trans women who hold these transmedicalist views as a afab enby butch lesbian because they often act like gender expression does not play a part in oppression. I can tell you from my experience that butches, some afab people who are masculine, are not treated as normal. We are targeted for not adhering to gendered expectations.
While enbies are not cis, from my own experience as an enby butch, I am treated often like a predatory gender monster, especially in gender segregated spaces, e.g., bathrooms and dressing rooms. I haven't undergone any medical transition or surgeries nor do I plan to. My existence as a masculine afab person is considered uncomfortable at least and a threat at worst to cishet women. This is a part of the butch experience. It's a part of our history. Even cis butch women share this experience. Being cisgender does not protect them from gender discrimination because of being masculine. Watch Hannah Gatsby's Nanette for an example of this.
So no, I'm not going to sit back and not advocate for myself and other gender non-conforming people. Oppression is more complicated than what transmedicalists proclaim.
Sorry for my ignorance: what is afab and enby?
@@plantlifeforever6994 No worries! afab means assigned female at birth. Enby is another way of writing nonbinary (someone who identifies neither as a man nor a woman). It's the phonetic way of saying the acronym NB.
@@BlackFireChasm oh cool :) thank you!
Thank you so much, as a black trans woman who medically transition I appreciate this video. I accept every one and don't have problems with anybody, partly because of being so marginalized myself but also becuse I'm a decent human. I try to speak up every chance I get for our community. But lately the GOP been coming for us hard-core, I spent 3 days debating this guy on UA-cam about puberty blockers he was citing studies and stuff he finally gave up on the 3rd day. But this video explains everything in a way that everyone should be able to understand thank you.
Lol mood, been debating someone about the effectiveness of transition and whether or not gender exists. I'm cis tho so there's less stake for me, but I still like seeing people live their best life. To paraphrase a quote from that girl on Heartstopper:
"I'm not transphobic. I'm an ally!"
@@bobbyd6040 except these laws being passed are not letting people live their lives. they aren't being passed to protect anyone's children, they're being passed to attack the boogeyman that conservatives portray trans people as. they are passed by people with little to no understanding of what being trans is like or what transitioning means.
trans people are just their current scapegoat.
@@bobbyd6040 "i support your right to exist. i just dont think you people should be allowed in any public space, nor should you be granted the freedom of expression that every other non-offending citizen is allowed. i see you as an inherently dangerous person because of the way you were born and because of the way you go about your own life."
@@bobbyd6040 it's not that simple. while there are many of us liberal people who agree that children shouldn't be encouraged to "medically transition", we don't agree with how people like you tend to voice that, and associate it very much so with what the GOP has become
It pisses me off to no end that people bring in child abuse and are crying out about it, yet ignore children that are actually abused. The people that do this do not care about kids. If they truly cared, they'd help kids get counseling and the space to figure out who they are, whether cis, trans, etc.! Seeing all of this as a future teacher in the South, I'm terrified and going insane thinking of ways to make sure my kids will know that they're safe in my room. Thank you Jessie for making these videos, they've helped me expand my knowledge and awareness so much
Im not mad that you have a hetalia pfp, I’m just mad you chose France of all characters. /j
(I haven’t watched hetalia since 2016 this brought me nostalgia)
I haven't watched Hetalia in even longer. The fandom is cancer. Some nasty fans drove me out.
It's been very distressing seeing the spike in nonbinary hatred as my sibling is nonbinary and I'm kinda of trying to define what I am specifically. Currently I still mostly say I'm a Trans man but I don't think I'll be IDing like that forever. It has been absolutely wild seeing the gradual and very much not gradual spike in nonbinary hate. I thought we already dealt with this issue but I've even started seeing terfs and other transphobes using the term "transtrender" again!! It's disheartening but there not much we can do about that other then continue to try to educate others and hope they hear us out. I appreciate you speaking about this while also not attacking Hunter herself because it's very possible she didn't think about the strong implications of that post and it's not like she was being super overt and saying she hates nonbinary people. We don't have enough info to say how she really felt about that post but the post itself needs talked about. And I hope Hunter makes some sort of response to clear up what she meant as I'm sure plenty of people have been getting mean to her when that's not really necessary and a lot of us want answers that we may or may not get. It's a difficult conversation that seems to be bringing up a lot of struggles and trauma from a few years ago but it needs to happen again so we don't let more Kalvin Garrahs and Blair Whites come out of the woodwork (not that I'm saying Hunter is like them, I just expect to see some people cropping up again holding their views.)
This is off topic, I'm sorry, but is your PFP Hootie from The Owl House?
The more you try to "educate others" instead of asking them why they are so resistent to "learning", do you see the inherent "I am better than them" attitude here? THIS is why they don't listen to you. Ask them questions first, then tell them truths to change their view in a language they can understand. Otherwise they just view you as arrogant, self absorbed, and annoying. Do you want people to listen? Or do you just want to talk at them because talking at them makes you feel self assured in your choices?
When you go through puberty you can feel out of place in your own body even when you aren't trans or non-binary. A lot of kids need some support to get through it. They might think they're trans even if they aren't. This is the problem. There are people who are suffering from dysphoria, depression etc. They aren't getting the support they deserve. It would go a long way to help everyone in the right direction for them.
In my country (Uruguay), transitioning is a somewhat lengthy process bc of the lack of surgeon experts, but, free.
Since transitioning and name changing is free, there's a lot of less infighting in the trans community. Nb dysphoric people like myself. This was thru DE- medicalization, of the trans experience.
Medicalization will only make it harder for everyone to get care, because even if you're binary trans, with dysphoria, if it doesn't fit your " diagnosis".
you're literally, as we say here, "spitting upwards".
It's gonna come back to you.
thank you for your perspective!!
"Splitting upwards" is a really interesting and appropriate phrase to describe this phenomenon- honestly I'm probably going to start using it if we don't already have something like it in English.
I think the equivalent of the idiom in english is either "spitting in the wind" or, more vulgarly, "pissing in the wind". (aka the wind blows it all back onto you)
@@andylyn4123 I think "pissing in the wind" is the equivalent, though I've seen "spitting in the wind"-- the inferrence being that the wind is blowing in your direction.
I totally agree with this viewpoint, but I think there's a few things that make it more complicated in the US. One being the lack of free healthcare. Without getting letters from Doctors most people who aren't incredibly rich can't get treatments and procedures covered by insurance or afford their care in the first place. The second being that trans people aren't considered their own protected group here outside of being protected under the ADA (Americans with Disabilities act) as gender dysphoria is considered a disability. But it leaves out trans people who don't experience gender dysphoria or in the ways the medical field has defined it.
I think in order for Trans people to have TRUE equality here and for the trans experience to be demedicalized safely, we need free universal healthcare first
My biggest problem with transmedicalism is that it wants to force trans people into risks for their health. Every surgery is a risk. Every hormonal therapy is a risk or can elevate the risk for some things. There are people who don't want to being exposed to that kind of risks (or are afraid of pain etc.), even if they wish to be born with different features.
Surgery is also very expensive.
Also there are people who physically cannot go through those surgeries despite wanting to. There is no excuse for transmedicalism, and it only hurts everyone
no it doesn't? I do regulary interact with truscum, and I have never seen them argue, that trans people should be forced to undergo gender affirming procedures they don't want. If a particular procedure is harmfull to a persons health, no transmedicalist I have seen would insist on that person undergoing that procedure. "Truscum" is simply the belief, that having gender dysphoria is necessary for being trans. Jessie just gave a wrong definition when she claimed that truscum believe that someone has to undergo gender affirming procedures to be "truly trans"
This! My wife doesn't have much body dysphoria that isn't handled by the effects of well-managed HRT, but even if she DID have a good bit of dysphoria that could warrant surgical intervention, the suffering caused by it would have to be SERIOUSLY massive and dangerous for her to pursue surgery, because she's extremely "medically complicated" in ways that combine to make ANY surgery high risk, and any surgery that isn't a minimally-invasive outpatient type deal is EXTRA SPECIAL high risk, so surgery is generally only a good idea when it's necessary to prevent horrible outcomes that are almost certain to happen. (Like.... Because of the combined effects of a couple of her diagnoses, she had a stroke yesterday morning, and had to be airlifted the hour and a half to Seattle for emergency brain surgery, and in this case, the outcome of NO surgery was VERY LIKELY to be "death or permanent paralysis", which outweighed the high-but-not-QUITE-as-likely risks of "weird potentially deadly heart issues, serious and abnormal bleeding, significant seizures, or a different sort of partial paralysis" that are always present with most surgery for her, and sitting by her hospital bed for the 8th time in the 13 years we've been together is making me extra salty about this sort of thing).
So yeah, we're both super grateful that her dysphoria is generally manageable without surgery.
And yet, we've had to walk away from MULTIPLE trans orgs/support groups/etc because of different aggro transmedicalists who all insisted she was not actually trans, because if she WERE, then she would both desperately want surgery AND be completely willing to ignore all the massive risks her medical status imposes on any surgical procedure... And, like....what the FUCK? I can't even process how someone could think that way. And can't fathom how much worse the bullshit would've been had they known she was married to an enby. It's left us nervous about trying to connect with our own damn community now that we've moved from Texas to the PNW, even though the isolation sucks.
@@taln0reich i think what the person is saying is not literally forcing, but holding it up as a threshold of validity, which can push people desperate for validity to believing there's only one way to be trans.
Which is true, i was unable to start any medical transition for years, but my desire to do it was there the entire time. I *wanted* what trans people supposedly want, but it hadn't manifested in my behavior yet.
I'm not taking anything away from "binary" trans people by being non-binary. Also being non-binary doesn't mean not doing any medical transition measures, but let's assume it did. So? What I'm doing is choosing how to dress, speak, and act that are based on my own comfort and not the comfort of society. Meaning whether it's against or with my AGAB I do it if it feels right to me. I assume that's what "binary trans people" do when they're medically transitioning too. They're doing what feels right for themselves, regardless of what society thinks they should do based on their AGAB. We are the same. We're one community that should not be divided into hostile in-fighting, which benefits the Republicans and fascists that hate us.
Many of us "binary" trans people isn't that binary either lol, just often lumped there because we medically transition and "fit in". Imho it's way less simple and more wobbly. But personally I don't bother talking about my gender identity after over a decade of being trans, so I'm made into a binary trans woman. But I've never identified as woman, I just don't care any more 😅
I prefer us all uniting 💪
(I was assigned male for context)
Why are you putting binary trans people in quotation marks? That's an attack on us binary trans people. I don't agree with enbyphobia, but g*ddamn, have some respect for our gender identity.
@@Fudwinkle Yeah, it's almost as if binary trans people can have a mix of masculine, and feminine hobbies, interests, styles, etc. and still be a binary trans person.
As a binary trans woman, my main style is on the feminine side of tomboy, I call it pink camo.
@@MiaRosenbloom the person you replied to used "binary" as a self-descriptor, and the rest of the comment explains what was meant by using the quotation marks. It was not meant as an attack on other trans people who genuinely identify as binary, and it should not be taken as such.
Same, its so disheartening
As a public health junkie, I also object to the idea that “medical transition” is a purely treatment based category. I think this kind of medical treatments can be conceptualized (albeit imperfectly) as tertiary treatment. The complete social, environmental, and emotional support of trans people *can* very reasonably be considered a health intervention that prevents some of the long term “comorbidities” that can come with being trans like suicide, depression, etc.
I can't post screen shots here but I saw that Hunter replied to a now deleted TikTok someone made with a comment stating that she is not a transmedicalist.
She has definitely boosted some hurtful BS by liking this post but my hope is that this experience inspires her to educate herself (because let's be real girl, if you don't consider yourself to be a transmed but find yourself 'liking' a post with transmed undertones it's time to go back to the drawing board and figure out where the disconnect is) and gain a better understanding of how we can work alongside our NB siblings to combat our real enemy: bigoted lawmakers who think everyone anyone who isn't CisHet is a mentally ill freak best and a predator at worst.
socual sites really need a save function that doesn't boost algorithms
Whenever I hear about (trans and other) healthcare for children, I always come back to the point that we genuinely do not give minors enough rights over themselves.
I wish I could have at the very least suppressed boob growth. Instead I was made to take anti psychotic medication that probably accelerated it. I'm too afraid of surgery to get it cut off. It's a disgusting useless organ that doubles your lifetime risk of cancer.
Ah yes. My president Miloš Zeman. Yep he actually said seeking gender affirming health care is self harm and self mutilation and should be punishable by law. And called us disgusting.
Wonderful man really /s
I feel like this happened beat for beat with abortion. I was reading dozens of people saying in one way or another that if only we didn't say that (trans) men could get pregnant, we could win on abortion. That it was due to our ability to "define woman" that we can't establish abortion rights. It's so infuriating to see once again seeing people who should be political allies resort to scapegoating again rather than building solidarity.
Women's rights are under attack by trans people. You have to deal with that fact before you can expect cis women to blindly support the trans movement. What it means for me to be a woman feels very much under attack. Hunter is right, you know. People are turning against the trans movement who used to support it wholly. I am one of those people.
Believing that trans rights is WHY abortion is repealed is stupid. We agree on that, but you can't judge the women who are afraid for losing their rights in a moment of panic here. They're conflating losing some of their rights in one regard to losing them in others.
People with dicks, ok call it whatever terms you will, but that is the fact, people with dicks are now in women's locker rooms, on their sports teams, and women have said they don't want it, and no one cares. No one listens to women. People born with dicks forcing themselves in women's spaces because "we should have to accept them" are forcing their dicks on us, literally. And we say we don't want it. They don't listen. Can you think of a more inherently MALE thing to do??
Then women lose the right to abortion. Women are DYING ON THE TABLE because they cannot receive medical care. And this issue does NOT affect trans women. You cannot blame these horror-struck, terrified women for the acts of patriarchy.
Women are losing their rights everywhere and your response is to shove your dick at them some more.
Now you know what turns a cis woman away from supporting you. Listen, or don't. I don't care about your movement any more. Trans women are looking less and less like women to me the more people demonize me as a TERF or internalized transphobe instead of responding to my fears an empathizing with my own experiences with sex and gender.
I CHOSE to be a cis woman in spite of dyaphoria because I wanted biological children, and it was the best choice I ever made. Everyone has to make those same choices for themselves, and if they choose differently than me, that's totally fine! But my choice is fine too.
@@LadyVandMrT I don't think that women's rights and trans rights are at odds. If you have any specific concerns I may be able to provide resources. Jessie Gender has videos on a lot of these topics as well.
The post Schafer liked did not say "people are turning against the trans movement". It was blaming trans people who don't need medical transition care for red states denying medicaid coverage. Of course that reasoning doesn't hold up for any other medical treatment - just because some people can manage their diabetes through dietary changes doesn't mean others don't need insulin; just because some people can go through a pregnancy without an epidural doesn't mean that other people can. Just because some trans people don't experience gender dysphoria doesn't mean that trans people gender dysphoric about their body don't need medical care.
A "trans movement" where trans people who don't need medical care just never spoke about their experiences/needs (even though there's a lot of overlap with other trans people e.g. with correcting documents) might be more palatable to you, but based on the rhetoric by anti-trans activists there's no evidence it would have affected any policy outcome.
@@CurtainRod you're arguing against a strawman. No one here is in favor of the obviously bad logic you started this wall of text off with.
@@CurtainRod I feel very strongly that women's rights and trans rights are at odds these days.
The “pick me” mentality can run deep in marginalized communities. Though I think most people know that it’s a false promise, being accepted as “one of the good ones” by your enemies is still an alluring one. When faced against powerful and dangerous people, it can be easier to attack your less powerful peers and try to ally with your enemies than it is to form coalitions with peers you disagree with.
It really really can. It's ridiculous to me how many people manage to get their foot in the door of social acceptability only to slam it HARD in the face of those behind them, and it happens with every group. Hardcore conservative Cubans come to mind.
@@iamjustkiwi it does seem to happen with every group 😅
@Kathryn Elizabeth I suspect the reason behind that is the fact you are probably just a decent person. It's crazy how low the bar has been set the last few years...
@Kathryn Elizabeth a lot of people don't have such reservations about stepping on others for personal gain.
The fact that you view "all of society since the dawn of modern civilization" as "your enemy", says it all.
"...being accepted as 'one of the good ones' by your enemies..."
You need to work WITH society to make progress changing it. It isn't going to suddenly stop existing because you think it should. You reaize this, yes?
It’s incredibly frustrating to see more infighting in the lgbtq+ community that doesn’t tackle the actual oppressor. As a non-binary person, I’m really devastated that Hunter sees people like me as a nuisance or problem to her existence. I have non-binary and trans peers through out the spectrum and none of us are just “comfortable in a cis body”. Even those who’s gender presentation matches the sex they’re assigned at birth struggle with being recognized as non-binary because of the presumption we have to be gender conforming. The whole attitude honestly just reinforces gender roles and stereotypes that is only directed at trans people to be validated in a cis-normative society.
If a non binary person presents feminine, how is that honestly any different from a trans woman doing it?? Gender performance is just an expression, not a state of being. It’s unfair to gatekeep trans and non-binary people on how they choose to present themselves. It’s even worst to guilt them for it because they frankly don’t conform to gender (not that trans people who identify and present within the binary are “conforming” either as long as it still feels like their true selves. Just that the binary shouldn’t be seen as a strict determination of your identity).
It’s kinda ironic because I’m pretty sure Jules had this whole arc in Euphoria in recognizing her own internalized transphobia and sexism when she used to crave the approval and attention of cis men to validate her gender identity. When she realized she didn’t need their approval to still feel like a femme person, the development through her outfit shifted from hyper feminine, pastels, and form fitting to bold colours and adopting more androgynous pieces. It’s literally how gender and gender performance works, I don’t get how Hunter isn’t drawing those similarities. We don’t need to fit into a binary to be valid and the oppression of those who do is from transphobes, not gender non-conforming people.
I'm not familiar with Euphoria or Hunter, but boy did her words hurt so much more than I expected, as a nonbinary person who is still figuring out what, if any, medical transition I am interested in. It really hurts to hear a trans woman call my body cis and to invalidate everything I've been struggling with
I immediately wondered how Hunter would compute the fact that you are a nonbinary woman who has medically transitioned. Would she insist that she knows your gender better than you do?
Edit: I've already been corrected that Hunter did not say this, so you can stop typing that reply. And if you're replying to tell me how I should feel, maybe don't do that either?
Worth noting they're not her words -- Not even a little bit defending this and I think publicly agreeing with them is still disgusting, but at least she didn't write this particular screed.
@@CheeseypiPlays I'm not sure I understand. Who said these things if it wasn't Hunter Schafer?
Edit: Never mind. I didn't catch that someone else made the post in question and Hunter commented on it. Doesn't really change anything for me, because I didn't know who Hunter was to begin with but this was clearly still written by a trans person.
@@GiveZeeAChance yeah, the post is still fucking gross anyway. Please know that most trans people don't feel that way, you're completely valid regardless of any medical transition steps you take
"her words"
Like, the post was bad, but she *didn't* write it.
@@sebastiandrews4816 "simply don't be affected by this person blaming you for the genocide against your community"
As a 30 yo genderfluid person who HAS transitioned this shit is so annoying to me. I had to go through soooo many hoops to get top surgery just because of the fact that I'm nonbinary. Even getting an appointment for HRT took years because my primary doctor had no idea how to give a referral for that and I was only able to accomplish HRT thanks to planned parenthood. Socially if I wasn't presenting super masculine or if my voice had even a slight pitch to it I was basically seen as "girl lite" or "going through a phase" despite being in my late twenties when I started HRT and had been openly nonbinary to friends and family for almost a decade. I go by he/she/they and when I would tell people this they would always revert to she/her pronouns no matter how I presented myself or how many times I asked to be called he/they. Eventually, I had given up on being accepted as nonbinary and started presenting more as a binary trans man and only used he/him pronouns which I HATED because not only did I now have to hide certain aspects of myself (especially my feminine side) but it felt like I was going right back into the closet. It was like I had finally freed myself from one cage after being trapped for years and years just to be shoved into an even smaller, darker cage. I had to lie to my gender therapist after finding out he was known in the local trans community as being a transmed. Unfortunately, he was the only gender therapist in my state and was the only one my insurance was willing to cover, and the closer and closer I got to my 30s without having top surgery the more anxious I got that it was never going to happen so I macho maned myself up and lied about who I was just to get a damn letter. I felt awful about it and sometimes still do but I was just so tired of not being taken seriously and having to constantly prove myself to multiple strangers about who I am. I can't tell you how infuriating it is to tell someone who you are, who you've known yourself to be for YEARS, and all the moments and feelings that led up to discovering who you truly are and finally feeling comfortable living in that truth and wanting your body to match that same comfort that you've been longing for since you were a child...just for people to say "no you're not, because I don't think you are and that's a valid enough reason to not believe you". Over and over again I heard the same arguments and comments from transphobic cis ppl and truscum trans ppl alike for going on 12 years now and none of their arguments has ever convinced me that they somehow know me better than I know myself. I just want people to stop making this assumption that all nonbinary people are the same, just like not all trans people, or hell even just people are the same. That some of us are somehow less valid for not wanting/needing to transition despite our real life experiences showing otherwise, and that those of us who do transition somehow have it easier than binary trans people which makes me seriously question what universe these people are living in because it clearly isn't the one I'm in.
Thanks for sharing this, I’ve experienced similar difficulties and it makes me so furious. There’s a point where you just have to give up on people and say what you need to say to get what you need, but it’s so frustrating not to be seen. This is why transmeds make me so angry. Trying to adjust our community to be more palatable to the people who wish we weren’t here at all will grind us into nothing. All I can do is keep pushing and hope it makes things better for the next generation.
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This really hit home for me. I'm a pretty masculine guy, and I always have been. I go to the gym, I dress stereotypically masc without much variation. I'm an adult dude with a pretty thriving mustache atm, who goes to college and has a stable job.
I'm still nonbinary. I still use neopronouns as well as they/them. I like hearing about my friends' new genders theyve invented for themselves and I think that that's all cool stuff. I love if you're a binary trans person, a nonbinary trans person, or anything in between.
People see the second part and assume a great lot of things about me. Most commonly, that I'm just a confused teen girl deluded by too much time on the internet, and, failing this, I'm severely mentally ill. I've even seen otherwise progressive members of the LGBTQ community be militant about all this. It's got to the point where I dont bother labelling myself anymore. No matter what I do with *my gender* people online will completely disregard my life experiences and joy in favour of believing their own delusion that other ways to live outside of their perview are directly harmful. The only thing harming them is their own hatred. The right will never be on our side.
@@canonicallykayfabe I'm sorry that you've gone through this. It's BS. You are wanted you are enough, the people who put you and other NBs down are idiots
I didn't want children. I was 33 when a doctor finally agreed to sterilize me. They thought I would change my mind.
I am a binary trans woman who has had gender dysphoria since childhood and has medically transitioned. Transmedicalism pushed me back into the closet for years.
I'm not especially old, but I am older than Jessie, and I grew up before the turn of the century in a relatively small town. Fortunately, I don't live in the U.S.A., so an American might not describe it as conservative relative to their right wing, but it was a place where things changed slowly. As you can imagine, I had very little information on transgender people, but I had enough information on gender norms to believe I needed to shove down this part of me and never tell anyone.
I was in university before I first had an online friend come out as trans. I wasn't especially close with him at the time, but my sibling was, and I got some second-hand information about his experience. It was the first time I felt like I could even approach the idea of maybe not being a man, which was definitely a careful and delicate project that I kept secret from anyone else.
This is when a different online friend started sharing content about transmedicalism and "trans trenders." That content was about the same proposed dangers declared to have come to pass in the post being used as a jumping off point for this video. They were impassioned pleas for not making it harder for "medically trans" people, who have such a hard time as it is, combined with a criticism about the phrase, "identify as [gender]." After all, "medically trans" people ARE their gender, so that phrase has bad implications.
And, well, did I feel that I *was* a woman at that time? No. I'd been told all my life that I was a boy, if a "New Age, sensitive type of guy," according to my parents. I could start to dip my toe into the idea of "identifying as a woman," but overcoming societal views of the time was far too big of a hurdle. Even after I started medically transitioning, it remained hard to definitively believe I am a woman after years of therapy and support groups.
Was I gender dysphoric? I can look back now to see that I was and, even after spending years trying to hide anything like this, I could find parts that I hadn't been able to fully repress. But the content I saw described the pits of depression, unable to get out of bed or shower or the like, and I had kept myself mostly functional at that point. I couldn't bring myself to compare to the misery being described.
And, even if I was wrong about myself, could I bear the risk hurting people who were suffering so much already? If I was a "trans trender" and I came out as trans, the transmedicalist content I saw suggested I would be hurting everyone who was "really trans." If I was "really trans" and I did not seek the medical treatment described, only I would suffer. So I chose the option that only would hurt one person.
It took years to reach a point where I couldn't hide the truth from myself anymore. It took another year to accept it, and another year after that before I let myself even see a therapist to start the process. And those years were full of ways to justify why I didn't deserve to have the things transmedicalists would want a binary trans woman like me to have.
I am doing better. I met some wonderful people at support groups and I was fortunate enough to be in a place where I could afford to go to therapy for more than the four sessions a year covered by my medical insurance (but only if directly referred by a doctor). I understand much more about myself and I am out to most people. I even finally got my name officially changed.
But I'm still depressed. I'm still burnt out from dealing with all of this on top of the rest of my life. I'm only barely able to scratch the surface of the problems that aren't directly related to my gender that needs therapy after all this time. The transmedicalist posts didn't cause all of that -- society was great at putting me in that position -- but they were waiting at the top when I was finally starting to climb out of that pit and kicked me back in.
On the bright side, it's given me a very healthy sense of skepticism towards any exclusionary movements. After all, I am exactly the kind of person that transmedicalists say will be hurt by nonbinary people existing, but it was the transmedicalists who knocked me down and (among others) nonbinary people I've met who helped me stand back up.
i feel you about worrying im a ‘trans trender’. im non binary, and i was on the internet around 2014 when reactionaries started making ‘trans trender cringe’ videos. it’s like a tumor in the back of my brain, this worry.
im so happy you found people to help you, best of luck to you girl!
I had a similar experience. I was comfortable in my non-binary identity and was even somewhat open about it with my classmates before being absorbed in truscum culture, which pushed me all the way back into the closet. That was when I was 15, and even though I'm 20 now, I still feel so much confusion about my gender identity. Slowly but surely I have learned to be more open-minded about gender and accepting of those who don't fit in or don't want to fit in to society's idea of what gender is, but the damage is still here.
Wish you the best❤ stay safe and healthy
Do you know what doesn’t personally give me dysphoria as a genderfluid nb? My body. Do you know what does?
Being told my body is inherently female, or that it is inherently cis. Because that causes me to view my body in a way that feels completely unnatural, and identifies my most in a way that his foreign from my sense of self.
When you read the post and I hear “the safety of your cis body” I literally gagged on the bagel I was eating. I felt a wave of complete disgust and terror with myself.
And, as someone who also has dissociative issues, as a lot of trans people have, it was such a mega trigger.
I bounce back fast, I’m lucky. But this post feels literally targeted to trigger certain non-binary people dysphorias to make them feel like shit, all while denying those dysphorias actually exist.
The original post is sick. Honestly.
you'll always be perceived asa cis women so you'll never experience the violence trans people have to. ur feelings arent more important than the violence and murder others experience
Hard agree. I'm nonbinary too, and I don't typically have dysphoria but I do have gender euphoria around some things and social situations. But the rare instances I feel dysphoria are like what you describe, though perhaps not as extreme as you describe but still very much distressing and upsetting to have my dysphoria set off.
When I read " you're making them hate us" my brain basically shut down from there...the implication being that just EXISTING AS THEY ARE is somehow harmful to the trans community as a whole! I've only recently heard about binary trans thinking and wow, way to just shut the door behind you in the face of friends huh?
I relate to this so hard. I do have dysphoria regarding my chest, but I feel like it's lessened in the past few years since realizing I was enby. I still very much contemplate top surgery or an aggressive breast reduction if I ever get the funds. I've asked myself how I would feel if I'm never able to have surgery at all. Would I be able to handle having breasts for the rest of my life? The answer to that is, basically, yes. Because despite the dysphoria around really just one part of my body, the more time that goes on, I know that I am non-binary. I don't identify with any gender at all. It's simply who I am and always have been. I, like you, focus on my euphoria. Using gender neutral pronouns, dressing androgynously (or at least attempting to lol), knowing every single day that I'm afab but not a woman, that reinforces my identity. What absolutely kills me, though, and what keeps me in the closet in my daily life, is being seen as a cis woman and being told I am. It's incredibly hurtful to me. I had the same reaction, and I also struggle with dissociative issues, so I also feel that extra hard. And these are the reasons why I'm only out to very, VERY few people in my personal life. I'm not even out to my mother or closest friend of twenty years because I'm terrified of being told the exact same thing. Hell, I've had *other* trans people tell me I'm not actually non-binary, I'm cis. It fucks with you, and it's hard to let go of that. That post was just incredibly cruel. I'm a huge fan of Euphoria, and Jules is my favorite character because I can relate to her on some levels. The post wasn't written by Hunter and I'm not even writing her off as a transmed because she liked the post, but as a trans person who respects her, and really felt seen and represented in some way by her character (even though we're two completely different types of trans people), that just hurts. And it's not even so much that it's Hunter liking the post, the fact that this is an attitude held by some in the trans community just makes me feel alone. It doesn't make it any easier to be out and proud as an enby if this is the attitude that's popular. It fucking sucks, man.
Literally, I had such a visceral reaction. I'm non-binary but it's not a "luxury" to not choose a binary lol. And the idea that we exist "safely" in the bodies we're assigned at birth?? Like that's not the case for all of us but even for the ones who are comfortable with their bodies and gender presentation, why should they feel bad for it??? It just antagonizes every little part of non binary experiences which also throws many trans people under the bus.
The biggest piece of evidence against the post in question is that the vast majority of these anti-trans bills are also trying to outlaw, or at least heavily disincentivize, social transition.
When it comes to surgery, I think its also worth noting that cis children can also receive it as well. Things like rhinoplasty and ear pinning are available to children in order to decrease distress caused by their appearance. People express their identity and their relation with their bodies in a myriad of ways and there is no right or wrong way to do it and essentialism is rarely useful for anything, let alone how one chooses to express their identity
don't forget mastectomy done to boys with gynecomastia is fine and dandy or hell circumcision itself and genital reconfiguration of intersex babies. We're surrounded by surgeries done to children based solely on aesthetic preference, sometimes even forced uppon them.
Sounds like a Catch 22: only a trans person should transition, you have to have transitioned to be trans.
basically it seems that they only want trans people to exist if they are invisible as possible and don't disrupt the sexist dichotomy social hierarchy... kind of like what they do in Iran
Unrelated, and I’ve said this a thousand times before, but: Jessie, blue is absolutely your colour! The streak in your hair, the glasses, the shirt with that vest (and the earring, your nails, etcetc)… I could go on and on. You look so pretty 💙 and another great video.
Seeing that transmedicalist rant honestly made my chest tighten. I came out last year at the grand old age of 38 as queer and non-binary. Although I was afab and frequently have a more femme presentation, I have body dysphoria which some days can cripple me to the point of being unable to get out of bed. I'm wary about coming out to new people after reading a lot of very harsh opinions from a transmedicalist perspective and worrying that they'll start getting angry or aggressive :(
Anyway. I'll keep being me nonetheless. On a different tangent, I absolutely cannot believe that "before" Jessie is you! What an incredible transformation
About trans generations : I do feel the younger trans people now have a very different experience of what I did as a now almost 29 years old trans masc. Because trans affirmative healthcare and laws have changed A LOT in the past 10 years, where I live anyway. It was just so much harder and very strict about enforcing gender roles… while maintaining our bodies visibly trans for a longer time.
And lol excuse me Hunter but I’m genderqueer and medically transitioning it’s just… ouffff
Going back there is just terrifying
@@Fffjfgh In defense of @Jesse Gender there is A LOT of text in this and a lot to unpack. Even I missed the explicit text stating what you said. It is implied in the text that she's not talking about people who medically transition but have a NB identity. When it says Cisgender bodies for example. It's easy to miss that part.
@@Fffjfgh It's possible that an enby could have body dysphoria, but they may not want to medically transition. Likewise, an enby who does want to medically transition may not have overwhelming dysphoria - they might choose to medically transition because of the gender euphoria it brings.
There are soooo many ways to be trans. Being angry at those who choose not to medically transition for any reason, or being mad at trans people who experience dysphoria differently/understand their gender through euphoria instead of dysphoria, is a waste of energy and harmful for the community as a whole.
The writer of the original tweet's feelings are valid but focusing that frustration on the smallest minority in your own community is not productive
@@Alex-pn2hnI’m enby (genderfluid) and I *do* have dysphoria, but transitioning to relive that dysphoria could cause me different dysphoria. I’m happy to hear someone acknowledge that you can have dysphoria but not want to transition :)
Marginalized people fighting other marginalized people, is a deliberate feature of our society. So many examples in our near and distant past, demonstrate this. It keeps the status-quo in place. This along with social inertia keeps us in our place. Keep informing us Jessie.
....... Or?
Or maybe cis people who previously were all in support of trans people aren't anymore and you are out of touch with reality and Hunter is right completely??
No????? K.
part of me feels like transmed views has made me think seeing myself as a trans man is wrong since i most likely cant ever medically transition or even look somewhat masculine. like im still struggling with thinking im "not trans enough" hence why i usually just call myself trans masc and/or non-binary
You aren't wrong for aligning with your preference. It's about what makes you feel good, not others. Don't be afraid to stand your ground and be yourself!
I'm a trans guy who desperately wants to physically transition, but am unable to due to medical issues. That doesn't stop me from being a trans man. What it does do, unfortunately, is make it much harder for my friends and family to truly see me as I am... it's been years since I came out, and they *still* frequently misgender me. It's a frustrating - and often painful - position to be in, for sure. But don't let your ability/inability to transition in the way that's right for you impact your sense of who you are. You're still you, even if the world seems unable/unwilling to see who you are. Hang in there.
Thank you for this Jessie. It’s wild to me as a non-binary person who is actually currently undergoing medical transition that people can look at right wingers and think that they are listening to us…
I’d also like to point out that transmedicalism is more likely to push people into unwanted medical procedures - if your sister for instance (or other people who are questioning) had been told that she had to take hormones and get surgery or was not trans she’d have been more likely to do it rather than just feeling comfortable exploring more social aspects first. Transmed views discourage safe exploration for people who are questioning that forces them either back into the closet or into medical treatments before they are ready (if they even want them at all) by enforcing another kind of binary
*sigh*
Can't we just be happy for those of us who do NOT need a surgery to live a happy life?
I'm non-binary, and while I don't suffer from dysphoria (or at least not in a strong way), I do want to get top surgery, because my breasts for me are just a burden I do not need to carry around. I never liked them, I never asked for them, I don't want them.
But the thought that I have to get surgery to get rid of them isn't a nice thought. And it doesn't feel good to think about it. It's stress for the body, stress for myself (social anxiety), and it'll probably hurt, and yeah - every surgery is a risk.
So I'm happy for everyone who DOESN'T has to go through this. Can't we celebrate those who have it easier and be happy for them? Is that too much to ask? Instead of fighting among ourselves?
I was debating whether or not to comment on the vid, but you've captured more or less my feelings so I'm just going to second this.
Personally I've wanted my chest gone for 25 yrs, uterus gone even longer. But I have so many problems from both at this point that the risks of surgery would be like dousing a fire with gasoline. If people are able and healthy enough to get surgery, awesome. If people either aren't able/healthy enough or don't feel surgery is necessary for them, also awesome.
Can we all just be given basic decency and respect and be allowed to fucking exist...
Jessie, i am a 55 year old nonbinary trans. You were the one who educated me on this. I just thought i was weird. Thank you.
PS i am also against transmedicalism and didn't even know it was a thing until you.
"You challenge gender ideologies from the safety of a cis body that requires no medical treatment."
Okay, that is so infuriating to me. I am nonbinary. I have dysphoria!! My body is not cis because I am not. I'm so tired of transmeds.
obviously there's a lot wrong with the initial statement but what just stood out to me is how nonbinary people are considered a (non-dysphoric) monolith. there are nonbinary people who don't transition medically at all and there are nonbinary people whose transitions are pretty much identical to those of binary trans people. as a nonbinary person who really wants to get surgery+possibly hrt but can't because of poor trans healthcare ressources in my country portraying nonbinary people as "living comfortably in cis bodies" just seems entirely untrue
@@Fffjfgh seems kinda like a cope out by her. Kinda like ending a racist rant with “of course, not all black people are like that, I’m only talking about those who are like that”. At least, that’s the impression I’m getting.
I’m cis and I’m gonna be honest, I still struggle with fully understanding and accepting the non binary part of the trans umbrella. It’s just very confusing and complicated to fully wrap my mind around which is why I’m so glad that there are videos like these to help me educate myself as much as possible. I would never stand in the way of anyone’s rights but I’m not gonna pretend that some ideas are not a little tougher for me to understand especially since I can’t relate to trans issues from a personal perspective. I truly hope that more and more people will at least try to educate themselves on trans issues because it’s important for our society. There’s so much judgment and even hatred towards trans people from cis people who either don’t or completely refuse to understand. I don’t want to be one of those people so I will continue doing my best to educate myself. Thank you for making this video Jessie.
I love this comment! As an AFAB person who firmly believed I was cis to a someone who is starting to question my gender identity, it is a solid journey to try and understand being nonbinary. As time goes on though, I find myself getting it more.
Have you ever put on a piece of clothing that you bought with your own money and that looked fucking amazing on you? Or have you ever felt like going somewhere to eat but you could eat everything, doesnt really matter that day cause youre just feeling food?
Thats how gender is to me. I have never felt dysphoric about my body or how I look. Never have had body issues, even as an Asian who was constantly picked on for my eye size. I have never really cared about negative things people say to me. But things HAVE made me feel happy / euphoric and instinctively right.
Wearing clothes to me is just wearing whatever I want - I get euphoria wearing pretty dresses and make up because I feel cute! I also get feel amazing wearing masculine clothing and being told Im handsome! Both of these extremes are just me being me. Of course doing these things dont make me one gender or the other, but I find that other people’s perception of me grants me euphoria too bc it matches this weird identity in my mind.
For example, when people get confused. When my mom calls me “son” on accident, I feel … good. When people see my fashion drastically change, I feel good. When people use they/them I feel good. When I look in the mirror and see someone who isnt any gender, I feel amazing because I have options. But if Im called a girl, a woman, I dont really mind either. Its not like I care about their perceptions much, its just that having them reinforces my pre-existing debacle with gender.
I see my “gendered” parts as accessories. Breasts can be bound or full out. Its just… Like. More clothes for me! 😂. It all feels so… like. Meh. What I was saying earlier about food - its like, eh. I could go for all of em, but I love the idea of having options of how Im perceived and how I perceive myself. Idk why Im typin this, but maybe my perspective can help you in understanding more of a nonbinary perspective - that its not about just mixing gender roles or being androgynous, but about perception of self mainly. Even on days where I present fully femme and im calling myself a girl, I still really love just having the option of basically going back to the character editor like in a video game, and changing that just for funsies. I feel constantly like being boxed in to a role is constraining, even if Im comfortable in that role, if that makes sense.
The best part is, you don't need to understand anyone to respect and acknowledge their rights and existence.
This whole transmedical thing has me really messed up I've been identifying with trans identities since I was like 15 (and being uncomfortable as being seen as a "girl" since as far back as I can remember) , but somehow I'm still worried "I'll grow out of it" despite literally being a full grown adult,just because I don't think my expirence is 100% binary trans .
the "cis body" thing made me so mad
Buck Angel probably had a miserable time transitioning and won’t stop unless everyone else has as miserable of a struggle as he had.
That being said, this was a lovely and empathetic video as always and I just hope people can learn from how you approach things.
About ten years ago I finally began to accept myself as trans, after years of suppressing it. I first found acceptance in the kink community after coming out 2 years later. Over the years I have faced many health issues due to my weight. These health issues caused me to delay hormone treatment, despite desperately wanting to be on hormones. This video is reming me of the judgement and prejudice I faced at my first kink munch in Spokane WA. The group immediately thought I was a cross dresser simply because I wasn’t on hormones. I felt really dejected and closed myself off from the kink community in Spokane. Unfortunately not everyone can I have the ideal health, medical insurance and stable housing to begin HRT. I am happy to say I am on hormones and have been for three years and one year since my orchiectomy come November. I want to lose more weight before I move towards vaginal surgery.
Transmedicalism is a big reason I didn't transition until my late 30s. I didn't experience gender dysphoria for most of my life. Not knowing any better at the time, I thought that meant that I couldn't be trans and that the persistent fantasies of being a woman were just that: fantasies. It wasn't until I did finally start transitioning that the dysphoria came a-calling.
Had I been exposed to more diverse trans experiences at a younger age, particularly the idea that gender dysphoria was not a requirement for being trans, I might have transitioned much earlier in my life and wasted a lot less time being miserable (about this one thing anyway, plenty of other things to be miserable about 😅).
Looking forward to the next Matt Walsh and The Boys videos! Love from Canada.
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Thank you for sharing your experience.
As an enby who is pursuing hrt because I've realized I'll never feel completely myself in an unaltered male body, and who does have dysphoria around my beard and a generalized discomfort with living in a T dominant body, thank you for this video. I'd feel the same way if I had no dysphoria and didn't want to pursue any changes.
I am not familiar with Hunter Schaefer or her work, but it's sad to see a well known and liked trans person possibly have these harmful views. Kicking down people you feel aren't 'trans enough' will never make things better. Also, transphobes hate us regardless. So why try and appease them instead of standing beside your lgbtq siblings?
we aren't trying to appease transphobes. we're trying not to make new ones
@@redmage5251 nonbinary people aren't trying to make new transphobes, either
@@redmage5251 and how well do you think that's working?
She doesn't have surgery, she never said anything about ppl not being trans enough 🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️
"from the safety of a cis body that requires no medical treatment" I am a nonbinary person who had top surgery as part of my transition. It's weird to think that no nonbinary people medically transition when that straight up isn't true. Though that being said, medical transition DOES NOT determine whether someone is 'really trans' or not. I'm just noticing what's being assumed about nonbinary people in that post, and why it might be left implied rather than outright stated.
First of all, Jessie, you are not Old. I am 56, I am an Old. [g]
Second, your videos have helped me so much to understand trans identity and issues and to be able to identify as trans myself. I am genderqueer, I present as femme (lazy femme, as I like to say), I have no physical dysphoria, but I've never fit into the Woman box. Honestly, if I did not have a very female body type (think Paleolithic goddess statues), I would probably dress more masculine at times. I like to describe my gender as "amorphous blob". (RIP Leela Alcorn)
56 isn't old either!
Honestly 56 isnt old
@@destiny_5540 Oh yes it is, and 57 (in a fortnight) even more so.
*laughs in non-binary trans woman on HRT who has little dysphoria now*
transmedlicalism hurts us all.
Yup. If I didn't intend to get on hrt through a place which operates on informed consent transmedicalism would be making it harder for me to do the very thing transmedicalists insist is necessary to truly be trans.
I'd probably have to pretend to be binary trans with heavy dysphoria to be allowed hrt via the standard process where I live.
@@Toni-lo9ms I started via informed consent too because of how hard it would have been otherwise. my doctor wouldn't even consider it without a bunch of hurdles.
nonbinary and trans woman are mutually exclusive
@@redmage5251 no. Go away
If Jessie ever got to be Dr Who, this is the outfit i imagine she'd wear. Love it!
it always saddens me when someone of a marginalized group deems it more prudent to appease the status quo by "playing by their rules", so much so that they will attack members of their own group.
you are the ones that attacked us first
Binary transgender people are not appeasing and playing by their rules. If anything we totally wreck their effing rules so hard they totally break. i.e. the TERF talking point "we can always tell". When you want to debunk that whose photos would you use... likely those of a transmedicalist. Especially an early transitioner.
@@redmage5251 How did nonbinary people attack you?
@@bambsy9665 accusing anyone who talks about our problems of "pandering to cis people" (and also implying thats a bad thing) mostly
@@redmage5251 lol I’m sorry but how are you being discriminated for being cis in the real world?
Not-so-fun fact (I'm 35 min into the video): there was a lawsuit a while back (early 2000s? idk it was in my textbook) when a trans woman was incarcerated, and her lawyer used the ADA (disability law issues) to get her in the women's prison (as opposed to the men's), not the Title VII (which is for gender and race issues). I was perplexed at first, but ya want to know why her lawyer did that? Because she was diagnosed with gender dysphoria and was doing medical transition stuff, and the lawyer could more easily make the medical case to be gendered correctly under the ADA than Title VII back then. Isn't that wild? I hope it would be different now, but that's a legal precedent that allows transmedicalism to flourish.
Gatekeeping like this seems to always come from insecurity and misplaced anger. Bigots point to certain people in a group and say "well what about that person, they weaken your point therefore I won't respect you". Instead of focusing on the lack of respect part, the group turns inward and joins the oppressive class in targeting the subgroup. As an NB person who is ambivalent about medically transitioning, transmedicalists have always come across as trans uncle toms to me.
Exactly. Divide and conquer taking hold... 🤦🏽♂️
Your point at 19:50 hit me so hard. I'm nonbinary transmasc and had my first gender affirming surgery this spring, and it wasn't the cure some people think of it as. It's just a part of my healthcare, and if anything helped me realize I needed to pursue transition further.
I didn't realize how much it meant to me to have binary trans people call out transmedicalist ideas and how it vilifies NB folks until I saw both you and Kat Blaque speak out about this. I do feel like binary folks treat me like I'm not really trans because I don't get medical care and that leaves me to not feel accepted by either cis or trans people and that really hurts.
Thank you for making this♡ it seriously means so much to feel supported when someone I looked up to co-signed something that that is so hurtful to me and many others like me. Thank you, Jessie ♡♡
Just to address the "oh god i'm old now" part at the beginning - that's what the patriarchy WANT'S you to think. Patriarchal systems rely heavily on generational connectivity and divides. The privileged - the "good" - get to pass their legacies on from father to son smoothly and with perfect fidelity. Things ideally stay functionally the same from generation to generation, ad infinitum. How to know you're "bad" in this scenario is to have a lot of generational infighting, almost always (but not exclusively) from "the rebel youth". And while this system can impart a certain amount of stability, it is also narrow-minded and inflexible. It very often (but again, not always) casts the young as problematic, unless entirely submissive to The Way Things Have Always Been, and that is only the beginning of its problems. A much more functional system for today's world would be to consider everyone who is alive at the same time to be part of a single "generation", and that it is everyone's responsibility to help create a stable legacy for future generations. So, you aren't old - you're just approaching the middle of your generation, and so have some time to look back on. That is an INCREDIBLE advantage when it comes to legacy building, NEVER feel bad about it.
I Love how you push back on trans medical-ism in such a detailed and nuanced way!!!
You are always such a class act!!!!!!!!
Also thank you so much for your continued vocal support of NB folks because they are catching so much hate from so many different corners of the political landscape and of course they deserve nothing more than the utmost love, respect, and validation from all of us!!!!!!!
Thanks Jessie for this topic! I've actually wanted to know more about the idea of transmedicalism, and only knew that it was a problematic viewpoint that someone like Blaire White tends to have. As I'm a cis male, I feel an obligation to understand all of these issues as much as I can.
thank you for taking the time to learn about these issues!
I think of it more as an opportunity to learn about others people's experiences
frankly, if you want to learn about a particular ideology, it often helps to talk with the people holding that ideology or at least read what they write. Because, quite frequently, people from the outside tend to overlook the actual intricaties and therby, when relaying, give a distorted image. Jessies definition of transmedicalism, for example, does not match at all with how the transmedicalists I have spoken too understand their viewpoint.
@@taln0reich how do they understand it?
The original post reminded me of the controversy surrounding Dave Chapelle’s entry into the terf rhetoric. He was strongly implying that transness is an inherently white thing, and the Internet continued this by centering white transness. OP was treating the non-binary population as an inherently white phenomenon, and then using Black transwomen as this accoutrement to the rant. I personally don’t care that my being a non-medically transitioning genderfluid person pissed OP off. I personally don’t care that Hunter Schaffer appeared to co-sign the sentiment. What gets me is this overall trend of using marginalized communities as abstractions to back up baseless attacks without acknowledging the material experiences/ boiling them down into symbols without humanity.
Also like, I combed through OP’s Instagram to see if maybe this was just a moment of being overcome with anger and it’s not. They view non-binary people as inherently white afabs with blue hair and pronouns.
It's another political objectification tactic. You see she doesn't point to any specific trans voices/orgs to listen to, or bring up by specific issues. (And most of the nb people I know personally are poc, myself included.) Instead she uses "Listen to Black trans women" to add legitimacy to her own voice and paint herself as being in the right and silence her imagined (white) nb opposition. She really is saying "Listen to [my white ass] and silence them"
Ahhhh f'ing heck cant we just get rid of this weird persistence on a gender binary and just treat everyone like they want to be treated.
the gender binary exists, die mad about it
@@redmage5251 Well but as long as we keep at the current gender system everyone who doesn't feel defined by a binary definition of things, is going to be branded as non normal.
Gender is a thing that has existed for ages, and it has been redefined by many people many times, I don't understand why we could not do the same, and make people feel more at home in society
I really hope Hunter can take back or clarify this because I really love her acting and representation, and I was/am excited to see more of it coming up. I’m also sad to see any part of the queer community turn on itself or work to splinter the community to try and take some heat off themselves. We’re strongest together and always have been.
Enbies and GNC trans aren’t the reason bigots hate trans people, and just like other avenues of oppression - when unmasked, transphobes will turn on binary trans people, medically transitioning people, post-op, passing, and even stealth people. Transphobia’s end goal isn’t just to make everyone conform to the gender binary, it’s to eliminate trans and intersex people and prevent anyone from straying from prescribed at birth sex and assigned gender.
It’s like that quote/poem about how “first they came for the socialists…” but replaced with enbies, and still ending in “and when they came for me, there was nobody left to speak for me”. I don’t stand with transmedicalist beliefs but I hope we can eventually have queer unity and support each other.
It’s sad to see the mistaken belief that non-binary trans people have an easier time in cissexist society when the opposite is true so much of the time. Early on, I definitely had a ton of internalized transphobia and transmed beliefs, to the point that I decided to start my transition slowly and kind of pass through nb trans femme on my way to binary trans woman.
I thought I could relieve my discomfort and explore femininity while still having some safety and reaping some benefits of maleness. Instead I’ve honestly had a more confusing and difficult transition with few uses for boymode and few benefits from doing so.
To be fair, I do still have the ability to boymode and more or less pass as male if I try, and I do still use it for people I haven’t come out to, potentially dangerous situations, and to an extent for job searching. But honestly, I’m not sure why I’m doing so anymore. Even years from now I suspect I could still pass for male with some effort if I need to, and trying to do so may not benefit me in the long run if I plan to come back there as myself.
And furthermore, more importantly, this wrong belief that enbies have it easier and going GNC has made my transition harder and has hampered the relief of my dysphoria. I’ve been scared and uncomfortable trying out traditionally femme things like clothes, makeup, voice, etc. and I think my gradual method has made it that much harder and more uncomfortable. Coming out to people slowly has also made it that much more difficult when I do come out - either the constant risk of accidentally being found out by parents/acquaintances/etc. or the anxiety of trying to come out to people after hiding it so long.
Contrary to what I thought, the more I be myself, the more I just embrace all the feminine things and presentation I actually want, the more comfortable and confident I feel, and subsequently the better I pass (problematic, I know, but I still want to) and the less negative attention I get. Coming out to people is still difficult but it’s so rewarding to not have to hide it and seeing how many people still accept me now.
And also, the more I move towards my transition goals, the more comfortable and gender euphoric I feel and the dysphoria goes away. It’s easier than ever to incorporate things I felt scared and self conscious of - more noticeable makeup, dresses and skirts, practicing my voice - compared to when I was first starting and even a pair of women’s jeans took me weeks to wear out in public.
Internalized transmedicalism has harmed me, maybe not as much as internalized transphobia, but shockingly more than people’s behavior towards me when I’m out and visibly trans. That is still my biggest surprise because I expected so much pushback when coming out, so many dirty looks and being barred from gendered spaces, so much resistance from medical professionals.
So fuck transmedicalism, fuck transphobia, and I hope transmedicalists are able to move past their bigoted beliefs and internalized hate. I don’t want to hate transmeds or other queer people that gatekeep other queer people because they hate themselves enough, and I think ultimately we’re on the same side. We have enough enemies, enough bigotry, and enough division to deal with that we don’t need to create more.
And god, I hope Hunter isn’t a transmed because I still want to enjoy Euphoria without thinking about this…
Hi Jessie. Apparently unfortunately Kim Petras has also been repeating transmedicalist views as well. I haven't really done much research because I just found out while watching this from a friend, but I thought I'd tell you about that
Seeing as she supports a predator, I am not surprised at all. Both she and Hunter read as insipid rich, white women with no empathy for others
That's so sad omg
My girlfriend insists she is a transmedicalist. However, she assumes that means "person who thinks transitions should be covered by insurance" AND NOTHING ELSE. It has been very difficult trying to explain to her why A) people would have a problem "with that" and B) attempt to convince her she isn't a transmedicalist. I get her confusion, if I only saw the word that's probably what I might think it means, but I'm glad videos like this exist lol Maybe this'll help.
Another video? Yay! I wasn't expecting one!
Does anyone in the trans community still pay attention to Blaire White? I thought the transmedicalists were mostly discredited, but it looks like they're coming back. I'm already tired of them. No, that's wrong. I'm tired of the people in power who create the circumstances that produce these views.
I don’t understand Blaire White. I feel like she has decided to side with conservatives and transphobes in an attempt to protect herself (“I’m not like the other trans people!!”)
I think we can blame people like RGR for bringing them back up. She may say she's not, but her rhetoric says otherwise.
@@mrwest626 I thought we all agreed RGR is kinda garbo, too, though???
@@neoqwerty I thought we did but apparently some people still don't shockingly.
@@mrwest626 who's rgr?
As an Old Trans at 32, yes. You are of the elders now, Jessie. Your ceremonial robe will be arriving within the next 5-7 business days.
In all seriousness, though, this was a great discussion. It's so frustrating that people refuse to acknowledge that pathologizing trans identities is exactly what's going to push people toward transition steps that might not be right for them. It betrays the fact that it's just about stopping trans people from existing, they don't actually care about well-being.
Jessie, thank you! ❤️
I am or at least was what you're calling a "transmedicalist, " and your video made me a little uncomfortable, but I think that's a good thing.
I'm trying to open my mind and see things from other people's experiences and perspectives, because mine were shaped in a very different time.
I'm a woman and was in my mid 20s when I first socially and hormonally transitioned back in the 1990s, and had gender affirming bottom surgery in 2004 - though back then it was called SRS and then later GRS.
My first experiences with other trans people were not positive at all. Most of the people at the support groups in the 90s and early 2000s were pretty much older than me, were not living as women, were not planning on transitioning and many (but not all) were socially and sexually aggressive and predatory.
I was hoping to find people like me who wanted to pass and assimilate into cis society.
I felt VERY uncomfortable around most of the people in those support groups, and after I finally found and made friends with another woman closer to my age who was also transitioning, I quit going to those groups.
I did not want other people to experience me in the same way I experienced them, and for a long time those experiences had a really negative impact on how I saw trans people who were not socially and probably medically transitioning.
over the last few years I've been realizing that my view on trans has been pretty narrow and frankly, transphobic and am trying to grow, heal and be better
I've got a ways to go, but your video is helping me process all of this
So thank you, and please keep making videos! ❤️
i would like to quote Leslie Feinberg from hir book _Trans Liberation: Beyond Pink or Blue_ (published in 1998): “I have heard an argument that transgender people oppress transsexual people because we are trying to tear down the categories of male and female. But isn't this the same reactionary argument used against transmen and transwomen by those who argue that any challenges to assigned birth sex threaten the categories of man and woman? Transgender people are not dismantling the categories of man and woman. We are opening up a world of possibilities in addition. Each of us has a right to our identities. To claim one group of downtrodden people is oppressing another by their self-identification is to swing your guns away from those who really do oppress us, and to aim them at those who are already under siege.” [in this quote, Feinberg is using “transsexual” to mean binary trans men and trans women who have medically transitioned, and “transgender” as an umbrella term to mean anyone who exists outside cisnormative views of gender, including nonbinary people, binary trans people who don’t medically transition, and even gender non-conforming cis people, such as drag queens or kings]
( Super glad you're talking about transmedicalism. For a long time I was trapped in that bubble of transmedicalism, and therefore had a lot of self-hatred/internalized transphobia and was transphobic to other trans people in a bout of projection. It's like a saying I've heard before, first from a Philosophy Tube video, originally from an essay called "Anti-Semite and Jew."
“If the Jew did not exist, the Antisemite would invent him.”
I interpret it as such, "if the presumed threat or affront did not exist, the threatened would invent him." While not quite the same I think it still holds true, in that the threatened transmedicalist is so scared by a nonexistent problem that they will invent it by projecting it onto someone. Those who are victim to the projection have their actions twisted, from being progressive and fighting for community-wide acceptance to actively harming the trans rights movement.
I like to visualize it as one of those school projectors. When you stand in front of it, your image are immediately altered to reflect what is being projected. However, when you turn it off, you see what's actually there.
So, personally, I think we should turn off the projector and focus on the war happening outside of the classroom.
Edit: Yes, I am Jewish, before there's a comment made on the nature of that quote. )
Omg! I'm still blown away by how incredible you look! As a ginger trans girl myself with some similar facial features to you, your results really gives me hope. You've always been sort of quirky cute but damn girl, you've jumped right to lovely!
I want to preface this by saying I'm cis and I don't pretend to have any kind of up close understanding of the trans or enby experience.
I tend to have a problem with any group that thinks they can limit the self-expression or self-determination of other people. The idea that everything needs some kind of standardized label that we can all easily access (ie. trans means these things, gay means these things, bi means these things, enby means these things) when the life experiences of different people who don't fit a predefined mold.
I'd be really happy if people could just define themselves however they feel is appropriate for them, and if the medical community could just provide the medical care that is indicated by the individual experience of the presenting patient, whatever that happens to be. I know that's a big ask in today's world but it seems to me that this would be the best way the country that is supposed to exemplify personal freedom could approach this issue.
I used to be a trans medicalist. I sort of get the position that ideal world for nonbinary people (Kind society where asking one's pronouns and respecting them is basic decency) and ideal world for binary trans people (access to quality healthcare that helps with passing well enough that others affirm your gender automatically more often than not) are not the same and they can obviously discuss these issues with one another and with others. But I don't really agree anymore that nonbinary people aren't 'helping' and transmedicalist viewpoints really seem close to the 'LGB alliance' stuff for me. Just willingness to throw away one group of allied people if it buys you a little more 'tolerance' (or rather begrudging acceptance) via conformism.
I have come to believe that there are at least several ways in which a person can come to the realization that they're trans for some people it's a very medical issue for some people it's a spiritual or philosophically isuss ... I think it's important to recognize that while the needs of those different groups may not be identical they are never contradictory and all these people are still trans ( the mechanism behind their transness being mainly of relevance to their own mental health and when being )
You still don't get it though. These "ideal worlds" are not separate. Many nonbinary people, myself included, DO pursue medical transition. Many binary trans people do not, or do not to an extent that transmedicalists would approve of. Even drawing this distinction as if nonbinary people and binary trans people are separate groups with non-overlapping needs perpetuates this thinking.
@@alexisvl3253 Oh, I realize nonbinary doesn't mean no transition, nor does binary mean they will transition. Life isn't clear-cut like that. Tendencies exist, however, and sometimes the best you can do explaining an issue is describe a tendency.
I'd like to add that there are plenty of binary Trans people who don't care about passing or are even unable to pass for whatever reason. And that those worldviews seem to be built on what I hear mostly from white Trans people and that a lot of Trans people of color (especially Black Trans people) have different views on transness due to the fact that our binary genders don't include properly as they were built to uplift white people and Eurocentric features. I myself can't speak to that world view as I myself am white but it's a layer of nuance a lot of us don't think about a lot. I myself don't care about passing past what us generally safe, but being disabled means that I will likely not be able to pass unless I am able to get every surgery out there, which my disabilities could be affected by. That's another side people often forget about, that disabled Trans people also have their own views on transness most times because of how our disabilities might react to the mainstream way of transitioning
"willingness to throw away one group of allied people if it buys you a little more 'tolerance' (or rather begrudging acceptance) via conformism" is an EXCELLENT way to sum up what makes certain views inherently shitty
I am a nonbinary trans person in an AFAB body, and when I first started having gender dysphoria a few years ago, it was like I could feel my body for the first time (I have issues with dissociation as well). I went through a lot of phases of research about what I wanted to do, but it was ultimately discovering and unmasking my Autism that changed my viewpoint on gender entirely.
The socialization that existed in me went so much further beyond gender. It was every aspect of my life. And for me, knowing these two things were intertwined, it helped me embrace who I am without always worrying about medical stuff. I knew it would be too much of a change for me: I can barely cut my hair without having a depressive episode.
Transmedicalists are not only taking away my identity as a trans person, but they are erasing the gender struggles of disabled people. I hope they look inward in see that who they are truly harming is themselves.
Not being an enby who needs HRT to survive.
According to truscum I don't exist in this discussion.
Afab... medically transiting to a more masculine body. But im nonbinary. I do identify as trans because I AM TRANSITIONING away from the gender I was born as. I love you Jessie!! Not in a parasocial relationship type way. But I look up to you in the way you speak up for yourself and other. THANK YOU SO MUCH!! For being you🌻💛
This whole thing has shades of Respectability Politics, particularly among racial minorities. The reason Black people are persecuted is because you're not acting white enough. You're not talking like white people, wearing your hair like white people, dressing like white people. You're being noticeably Black. If you just act the way they do, they wouldn't be oppressing you.
Which was, is, and always will be total BS.
This sounds like the same kind of thing. The problem is not the oppressors or the systems of oppression that have been constructed around us. The problem is the people who aren't conforming to what the oppressors want. If you would just medically transition and try to conform to one gender like "everybody else" [citation needed], then we wouldn't be persecuted.
It's essentially gendered version of appeasement. Hitler's making a lot of noise about the Sudetenland; maybe if we just let him have it, he'll stop.
He didn't stop. Because *they never stop.* Appeasement does not work.
This makes me so frustrated. I'm a binary trans man and have been since I was a very young child, but I cannot possibly understand the logic behind the idea that nonbinary people are somehow invalidating our existence. In regards to human rights, I'm of the mind that we haven't won anything if our victory requires us to leave people behind along the way. And no, this isn't coming from someone who's just had the transition handed to him, I had to fight **so** hard to get to where I am today, but that doesn't blind me to the fact that nonbinary people are fighting just as hard and they don't deserve to have their struggles made worse by the people who should be their community.
Edit: oh, and it was a LONG time before I was able to safely medically transition, I mean I first tried to come out as trans at age 11 and didn't go on T until 21. Even so, as an adult I found a small community that would refer to me with my chosen name and pronouns before I sounded or looked like a boy, even when I felt like I had to dress hyper-feminine in order to feel safe. The environment that those people cultivated for me made me feel so much more comfortable, and ultimately made my medical transition much less stressful because all that I had to worry about was the (already Herculean) task of actually being able to medically transition. If they had refused to treat me with basic human decency until I could medically transition, my life (which was already pretty difficult, even with their support) would have been so much more bleak.
The sign is a subtle joke. The shop is called "Sneed's Feed & Seed", where feed and seed both end in the sound "-eed", thus rhyming with the name of the owner, Sneed. The sign says that the shop was "Formerly Chuck's", implying that the two words beginning with "F" and "S" would have ended with "-uck", rhyming with "Chuck". So, when Chuck owned the shop, it would have been called "Chuck's Feed and Seed".
We also have to understand too, the doctors will use transgender patients who been diagnosed with a psychotic disorder’s disability to prevent them from get gender affirming care.
I appreciate this video as a NB person who doesn't experience dysphoria. The reason I am NB and not a cis woman is because I would literally forget I was a woman until I was reminded by outside factors. I realized women wasn't how I sow myself but how others sow me.
I don’t think I was ever properly explained what being transgender means, thus falling into transmedicalism ideology. Thank you for this educational video!
i knew i had a problem with stuff like 'theyfab' but i couldnt articulate why until this video. the post that started this is what happens when nonbinary people are treated as agab lite
I'm so glad you affirmed the notion of being transgender means you have deep understanding of your body and biology, since many people appose the thought because they feel the person has no clear sense of themselves and therefor are unreliable or "confused". I've read some on Quora for example who wouldn't wanna date a trans since they "feel unsure of themselves" when in fact it's usually the opposite. Usually, not always, but usually.
Oh that’s sad
It’s always sad to hear about this kind of stuff
I appreciate you tackling this topic jessie because honestly when I read the first message I was honestly....confused? Trying to follow what the problem being pointed out was and what should be done? Especially not being trans or NB, wanted to make sure I was understanding what rhetorics are and arent harmful to share.
NB here who presents feminine. It’s been hard since I do present the way that I do, I’m pushed to be a “woman.” However I still get very dysphoric about my chest and when people use woman labels and concepts with me. Just because someone wears a chef’s hat doesn’t mean they are a chef.
This whole idea of transmedicalism and having to “choose a side” makes it hard for us to just want to live and be respected. Let me look like a human cupcake in peace. Thanks
I wonder what people like her will think about me a person who can't have any medical intervention because of a pre existing medical condition . Unlike the tweet being in a " cis " body ( whatever thet is . I'm Jewish so we have "intersex" genders so ... ) Doesn't mean you have a body thet dosnt need medical attention and it doesn't mean thet medical condition don't effect my body and my gender .
I don't want to take hormones . I don't want to because I take more then 12 meds a day . Dos it make me less trans ? More trans then a person thet doesn't want to take hormones for other reasons ?
All of this under the unproven asamption thet an expensive understanding of gender somehow makes people with body dysphoria less deserving of medical care . And it doesn't . Just like the body positive movement didn't change the fact thet in some cases people with saver body dismorphia can and should have surgery as part of there treatment plan
I struggle a lot with feeling not valid because I look straight up like a girl and constantly called a girl but I am NB I’ve known I’ve been NB since I was a kid. Puberty was fucking hell. I lost my androgynous features and “became a girl” and today I realized that having surgery isn’t for me to become or to be NB. I just want people to call me using they/them. As much as I wish to get back to my androgynous features, I can’t and I’ve accepted that and having surgery scares me tbh
I'm not even nonbinary (well, I had a nonbinary denial phase but I'm pretty much just a binary trans girl) and that post of Hunter hurt my eyes and my soul... The rights of nonbinary people are a part of trans rights and saying otherwise is a fundamental misunderstanding of what the term "transgender" even actually means. Gatekeeping against the rights of non-cisgender people is transphobic in my view whether they are binary trans, not binary, or just sometimes identify within the binary. I haven't seen Euphoria and now that kind of just invalidates the reason I'd really consider watching it... 😥
I really hate that videos like this have to be a thing, but they're necessary things to talk about by somebody and I'm glad Jessie does it especially with the sincerity it's owed. I hardly have the patience to listen to or see it let alone would I to talk about it all to much for reasons I'm sure most other trans AND/OR nonbinary folks would understand.
Just a friendly reminder that those were NOT Hunter's words, or her post, that she only liked it. Jessie tried to be explicit about this, but I've seen a lot of comments attributing the post to Hunter. While a lot of the post was very bad, I could see why someone might like it for the end part of empowering black trans women (especially if they didn't read the rest too closely), so its possible that Hunter isn't a transmed. Just thought that might clarify a bit.
Huh. So that's now two people I know of who kind of hid in the enby community for a bit.
(Hi, I'm a trans man who was afraid of being invalidated (due to being gaslit back into the closet HARD by an a-hole trans denier) so I hid in the cozy enby hive until I felt secure enough and validated enough to try the whole "I'm a trans man" thing again.)
I still feel like I owe so much to the nonbinary branch of the community, for giving me the space to heal and reconfirm my gender identity without questioning it, and it's ridiculous that people want to say that branch "doesn't belong in the transes". From my experience nonbinary people are usually the ones who encourage discovering what your gender is even DOING and what it's shaped like! Also it helps people who are also neurodivergent, who tend to have non-average experiences with gender, discover themselves without stressing out as much about adhering to gender-norm presentation.
@811414182梦见 That might be what's happening here, I have a very hard time actually watching these kinds of videos because of how sensitive of a topic potential transphobia within the trans community is (though calling that just a potential is ignoring more blatant examples of it just being the case that some trans people are transphobic like Buck Angel and Blaire White are). But the problem still remains that she liked the tweet and that even if that is the case because of other portions of the tweet, which we kind of can't say it was, we're not her. Meaning we kind of can't know if she did or didn't just like it for those portions. And that's ignoring the possibility of her lying about it, but it'd be much more civil to assume she'd not lie about why she liked some tweet that's partially transphobic.
Still though that does help some, it makes there be some wiggle room, and I sort of rushed to a conclusion... Kind of hard not to do in as marginalized of a community as the trans community is. It doesn't help when your own civil rights are considered debatable by people who obviously don't value compassion and don't place an emphasis on empathy for all people regardless of anything outside of beliefs that are hateful towards other people over whatever demographic they're in unless that demographic is overly socially conservative or downright fascist.
@@CathyRatty Hey I see you. I don't have to deal with people being transphobic towards me personally as a cis bi-person. It's okay to feel emotional and passionate when you've seen so many attacks to the community and experienced them first-hand. Here's some love from me, friend.
Thank you, just found your video/channel on my "for you" page. I'm non-binary and happy to not medically change anything about my body. I don't feel comfortable in the "societal norms" for my gender and get dysphoric as a result. Finding this? Helped me so much, thank you.
Am I the only one who finds this a bit classist? "Oh you can't afford these expensive hormone therapy or can't get a plastic surgery therefore you aren't trans" also, as an ally I'd prefer if people didn't try to do phalloplastys or vaginoplastys and all that unless they really have to. Those things will permanently mess you up, especially if you already have health issues that prevent you from transitional surgeries. And you have to get work on them done every few years. It's more dangerous to say kids/adults need to get surgeries like them to be fully Nb/trans. Because what if a surgery goes wrong on your crotch?? Trans people should do what's right for them, not a checkoff list of expensive surgeries they need to buy.
Nah, I'd say you're sort of on the money, at least under a healthcare system that makes you pay for all these surgeries out of your own pocket or wait years for them if they're publicly funded.
what’s really ironic is that the post says to listen more to black trans femmes (rightly so), but so many of them will likely be affected by their classist statements because they face economic racism. they don’t really care about the people they claim to champion for, they’re just using them as an excuse for their misplaced anger.
@@stormfischerr Exactly! I dislike how many in the LGBT community act like they care about minority rights then go around acting like Hunter
I've noticed that people who have easier access to gender-affirming care tend to also hold this view point, and alot of them tend be pretty isolated from the rest of the trans community. I had an 'friend' who was from the UK, where it's notoriously difficult to get get gender-affirming care, go on about how 'easy' it is to get all of the HRT and surgeries, just because it was easy for her, but she also knew someone in the system. She also went on a rant about an acquaintance of ours, saying that "there is a mental and physical aspect to being trans, and I think they only have the mental part" and thats when I realized she was a transmedicalist, and never mentioned I was non-binary until another friend asked me if he could bring it up. I want to medically transition, but I still don't like bring up being Non-binary to anyone that I don't absolutely trust, and sadly that includes some close family.