They pull over Any drivers that drive cars that look flashy and fast (the focus st is not fast but it looks like it is). It's like they want you to drive greyish bland looking cars. You can't have nice things even if you can afford it. You can't have particular tastes in cars. You suppose to be an NPC and blend in with the general crowd. Smh.
Police ignoring the mRNA jab mandates, apedophillia and war crimes while presecuting poor people for not obeying the woke political ideology is an absolute disgrace and borderline fascism...
You know there’s a lot of separate police officers in this country right? All with different levels of training, all on different jobs at different times. They aren’t all controlled by a hive mind 😂
How are you expecting police to determine if a criminal is driving a vehicle, without stopping it? Clairvoyance? Reading a horoscope that day? Perhaps you think they can see auras? Stopping a vehicle is a perfectly reasonable investigative tool in the police officer's arsenal. And those police officers have performed their duties perfectly.
@@jfletcher1029 Maybe, but more likely that the driving was very 'to the book' and he looked to be getting instruction from the animated passenger. Check the vehicle register and their suspicions are confirmed.
I was a driving instructor for many years. I was pulled over for driving in a bus lane at about 12:30. He came up to the with an arrogant attitude, he was very sarcastic, saying as a driving instructor I should know better. I said "they say if you want to know the time ask a policeman", I added "what time is it?" While I pointed out the sign said it was a bus lane between 7:30am and 9:30am, He just waked away without another word. That's the standard of Nottingham police.
We had exactly the same problem way back in the early 80s in London. Arrogant bike officer who could not easily see his watch but guessed the time as being just after the starting time of the bus lane. Then, the BBC News bulletin started on the radio showing he was wrong, instead of apologising, he told us to not do it again and rode off.
@@heathercutler6659 The police force is full of arrogant pompous narcissistic individuals. Some of them are sociopaths. They go unchecked, because they are in one of the most trusted roles in society, and often aim to be in the police force for that reason. How can I say this with such confidence? Because most of them behave just as you described. Always need to have the last word, always need to have some sort of authority, always need to walk away from an interaction feeling like they've asserted even the tiniest bit of power, to the point of pettiness.
Ashley.. I’m a musician and often drive home after gigs in the early hours. Firstly I can’t believe the poor standards on the roads. Tonight I drove home from Birmingham to N Yorkshire. The M1 was practically empty but I lost count of the amount of times I was in the inside lane, doing the legal limit, and found myself catching up on people in the middle lane just sitting there. So tempting to undertake but I do always go around. When you then pull back into the inside lane you’d think they would get the hint but they don’t !
Keep doing your thing man , a friend of mine got done for exact same thing going 50 mph on 70mph zone on m8 . He got disqualified for 12 months and £500 fine. This was about 15 years ago . I'm the same as you I get tempted to just keep going but I end up going around them
Stay in lane, you are allowed to do 70 in lane one and if that is the flow of that lane you don’t need to pull out and then back in. Undertaking is classed as when you are deliberately pulling inside to overtake.
A few years ago my wife and I were driving home after a meal at my parents at night as we left their village speed limit 30mph which I observed . A car was coming up behind me at speed and proceeded to tailgate me after driving under some street lights I could tell it was a police car. They continued to tailgate me through and out the village until I turned off that road on to a 60 mph speed limit. I accelerated up to 60mph and waited to see what they did, well they turned round and went back to the village.i believe they were trying to intimate me so I would speed up and break the limit and when I didn't they gave up. Trust in police now broken
I've had similar happen to me only worse really on a road going north from Bordon in Hampshire. A police car with blue lights on coming up to me fast and when I slowed down to stop he just fell back and didn't bother any more once I'd `surrendered'. Twice !! Over 10 years ago now but I think he just turned around and went back in the direction of Bordon.
Notice he sped off when he mentioned his "suspicions"...He knew what the next question was...."WHAT WERE YOUR SUSPICIONS, OFFICER?" ..To which he had no answer. No wonder young people feel alienated and intimidated by the police. He needs re-training. Well done Ashley. You were spot-on!
There was an answer, it had already been given. The suspicion that offences contrary to Motor Vehicles (Driving Licences) Regulations 1999 R16 and/or Road Traffic Act 1988 s87 were being committed. Observation fail.
@@stevesmith7530 The officer is obliged to tell the driver why he stopped him...to tell him what his suspicions were. He didn't. It's not ok to glibly and arrogantly state " because I have the power". Obligation fail 😉
@@typhoontim125 actually, no such obligation exists under Uk law. This is not America. Sectioned 163 of the road traffic act empowers any constable in uniform to pull over any vehicle for any reason. No suspicion is needed
@@stevesmith7530 mmm. Can you point out in the video where he exactly says "Motor Vehicles (Driving Licences) Regulations 1999 R16 and/or Road Traffic Act 1988 s87". No!!
Fishing for something. Once they knew it wasn't a boy racer from their scan, they decided to find something else to have issues with. "Maybe they don't have a full license, no L plates, yeah that'll do."
@@Jmcinally94 The things is, they do not need to provide any reason and can pull you over without any suspicion or reason. The issue is Section 163 of the Road Traffic Act. If police had to provide a lawful reason for the stop there is no way this stop would have occurred.
It's because he didn't think the lie he would have to tell if pressed on the matter about the L plates. His logic was about to be; I ran your plates because I suspected you were a driving instructor, but I only suspected you were a driving instructor because I ran your plates. So he had to stop and think for a second before coming up with a lie, as he didn't want to admit the truth for running the plates - the colour and model of the car.
@@stephenjamespayne6131 A constable can carry out a pnc check on any vehicle without requiring a reason ; in fact ANPR systems in traffic cars do that automatically all the time and flag up offences without the constables needing to do anything . NIPs can then be generated based upon the video evidence .
My experience with the police has not been good. My house was broken into, “It’s one of the hazards of having a house in the country”. My Practice was broken into, “It’s one of the hazards of having a business in the city”. My car had been sideswiped by an oncoming mini on the wrong side of the road. This tore my front wheel off. I had driven onto the grass verge, “There is no injury and no offence has been committed. We are not interested”. To which I replied, quite forcibly, That I thought that it was a requirement to drive on the left in the UK. The policeman’s companion was known to me and, on hearing my raised voice, came over and asked what had happened. He saved the situation! I had a psychopathic partner who sabotaged a radiographic machine used by an associate. “It’s his machine as much as it is yours, so he can do that” Regarding an abandoned vehicle; no tax or MOT on the road near my property which was reported several times. I rather forcibly brought it to the attention of the police. They attended. It turned out that it belonged to a criminal, so they had done nothing. I wonder If it had been mine what would have happened, and would action have been more swift. Am I impressed by the police?
The solution for you is at hand , when that constable comes to you for treatment , your first question to him , drill in your hand , will be " Is it safe ? " .
I'm a retired Driving Instructor and had a similar experience with the police. I was giving a newly qualified driver a Pass Plus lesson and had a 'DRIVER UNDER INSTRUCTION' magnetic sign on the rear of my car. A police car stopped us and the first words out of the officer's mouth was a sarcastic "Who's forgot to put the L plates on his car, then?" I replied that they were not needed, without telling him why, and then received a lecture about the use of L plates. After a few seconds it suddenly dawned on the officer that my pupil had a full licence. As in Ashley's experience the officer just accepted my pupil's word that she had a full licence. I think he was embarrassed. I always support the police but the officer's manner and sarcasm just instantly irritated me.
@@secretivescorpio891 Yep. Police have lost all respect now because of being recorded, being uploaded, and they real truth of them coming out. There's a lot of police prosecutions happening.
@@secretivescorpio891 No, Hrodn's experience with that one particular officer doesn't show "THEM" to be rude, arrogant and sarcastic. It shows that ONE officer as being rude, arrogant and sarcastic. Doesn't mean the entire force is. Like all walks of life there are good and bad, a bit like the UA-cam comment section.
I have massive amounts of respect and appreciation for the police and what they do. (At least in the Netherlands, where I live). It's just things like this that make me feel this individual officers' views on their job is different from mine. This one doesn't seem too bad though. Bit strange, but if all he's really doing is going on a (questionable) hunch and just making sure all is safe I don't see a big problem
He could have said it more politely, but it's an important power. Criminals don't put signage indicating they are criminals on the side of their cars. By allowing random stops, they might temporarily inconvenience someone who's done nothing wrong, but in some cases, they will catch someone doing something criminal or even correcting something that a driver might be aware of. Giving the police officer the benefit of the doubt here, if there was a driver under instruction, but no L plates were shown this could be an offence, but also puts the Learner at additional risk as other drivers will be less alert of the car making unexpected maneuvers or taking longer to act at junctions.
@@dave1994jones yup. If you want to think about it like this, you are essentially consenting to being asked for your documents by driving on the road. Searching the car is another matter, incidentally.
My brother was once pulled over in a bodykitted SW20 MR2 about 20 years ago, and the police said it matched the description of a stolen car in the area, as if anyone else in the area had anything even close to a similar looking car. They then accused him of having stolen wheels because he had Mitsubishi center caps on his wheels. My brother was only guilty of driving a car that the police wanted to stop and look at and waste time. Thankfully never had any trouble like this in the Evo.
40 years ago my cousin drove an MK 1 Ford Escort and he was always changing things on it. He would often get pulled over by the local cops who just wanted to see what he'd done to it now... At one time a Jag V12 up front with side pipes and Mustang rear axle.
My 65 plus year old wife was going to work in her car, early winter morning, fully dark, wet roads, drizzle, urban area. Usual time and route. On a poorly lit side road less than half a mile from our home edged by parked cars leaving only a single vehicle passage space without gaps to pull over a car came up behind her slowly but then started repeatedly flashing its full beam headlights/spotlights . Eventually a road edge space (single yellow lines not at that time in force) allowed her to move over, and the car accelerated hard, partially overtook, then stopped blocking her, when only then it became evident it was a marked police car. They (one male, one female) tried to get her to admit she'd "failed to stop", and she had to repeat several times asking them back why they had not identified themselves by using their "Blues" if they wanted her to stop, which they blanked. And, she pointed out, did they really expect a woman driving alone at night to stop for an unidentifiable vehicle blinding her rearward vision, tailgating, etc? After delaying her for over 15 minutes checking papers (which she had on her) they let her go, still bitching that "she should have stopped for a police car", and that they had stopped her because "her driving was suspicious" when she was driving fully within safe limits, neither crawling nor speeding, and there was NO way in the absence of proper signalling from them that she could tell it was police behind or a road rage or other attempted personal attack/theft. Weeks later 50 miles away our eldest grandson (at Uni) was as he parked outside his lodgings "attacked" by some extremely aggressive police emerging from two cars that slewed to a halt, slammed up against the car and forcibly searched, as was the car. He was accused of committing theft five miles away 30 minutes before. Eventually and reluctantly they could find nothing wrong and had to let him go. It was at that point we decided the police were not as they were, and lost all faith in their actions. Nothing since has changed our minds.
As I mentioned in another reply, the _reason_ was that the vehicle details came back that it was a driving school vehicle. The _problem_ is the terrible excuse making, when the real explanation is that on-board ANPR systems check out _all vehicles within camera range all of the time_ , so the police car came up behind a vehicle with no L plates that was supposedly a driving school vehicle according to the computer display. If the officer had not gone on about power and had _simply explained_ the discrepancy between what the ANPR system said (driving school vehicle) and what he saw at the lights in front of him (some apparently not driving school vehicle with two blokes in it), things would have gone better. I think that the officer initially suspected worse (e.g. some thieves who had nicked a driving school car; dodgy driving school; &c.), but had already deduced that it actually _was_ a driving lesson, especially when they pulled into a car park to do manoeuvres; and had concluded that everything was fine and was just checking up on the L plates and driving licence. (After all, driving schools do do things like motorway lessons for newly qualified drivers and suchlike.)
@@JdeBP Absolutely right. The officer did cover all those things but he never answered Ashley's perfectly reasonable question for some reason. All he asked was 'Why did you choose to check out my car?' Maybe the answer was 'I didn't, it displays automatically on this display in my car'. In which case I'm Sure Ashley would have been satisfied. I think Ashley was working on the old-school radio call to check the Police National Computer based on a suspicion. I haven't seen the inside of a police car for a very long time so I don't know what gadgets they've got in there either.
@@JdeBP That police car doesn't have ANPR, they will have conducted a manual check and then had a quick chat just to follow up. I'd imagine an explanation would've been forthcoming had Ashley not felt the need to immediately start asking questions.
I love the green colour! it's so much more interesting than boring shades of grey/silver. There's that graph which shows the decline in colour choices for cars over the years 😓
Unfortunately, my latest car (modified accessible VW Caddy) is black, so I've had to buy a small magnetic flagpole to put on the roof to find it at public events.🏁
My sister was the victim of a hit and run a few months ago. She got the number plate and vehicle description before the guy sped off and she had a witness in the car. The police refused to investigate and the guy later lied about the hit and run and got away with it because there was no independent evidence.
I was hit by an uninsured driver who ran a red light on the wrong side of the road. Luckily some students near by saw it and videoed the driver and passenger running away from the scene. The Police turn up, say something about the car being flagged for criminal activity on their database, get a copy of the video and some witness statements. The next day I get a call saying they are closing the case as they don't have any leads to pursue. Useless, and next time those crims crash into someone it could be fatal.
had the same thing happen to me. I was stationary at traffic lights when a car, without braking, rear-ended me into the car in front. The car started to reverse, so I snapped a picture, and it drove away. It was caught on my front-facing dashcam, and the car can be seen driving away. The police said they can’t do anything, and even with proof, witnesses (including the car I shunted into), pictures, and dashcam footage, the offender denied it. The insurance company said I can’t prove it. My insurance had to pay out. I’m not sure what the police are for.
@@jacob1121Dismissing a case is less work than solving one. Few years ago I called the Police when I couldn't stand the smell of the weed coming in my Flat from the neighbours. Nobody cares When I had enough I moved out to more rural areas.
They have to spend time following law-abiding drivers who have done no wrong, so that they can then say they don't have time to investigate burglaries, or detain violent criminals, drug dealers or grooming gangs.
I’ve had this twice when I had my Honda Civic type R. Both instances I was asked why and given ‘because I have the power to do so’. But the first time things were aggravated by the officer then insisting I take a breath test because they were clearly upset by my question. It was followed by ‘when was the last time you drank alcohol’ I replied ‘4 years ago’ and the officer took offence to this told me to stay in my car 3 response vehicles appeared as if by magic . I was treated like a criminal and they clearly took a hit to their ego when everything checked out. The 2nd time I literally just got the ‘because I can’ Devon and Cornwall’s finest
Just power tripping and getting high on wasting your time and their own, probably jealous that their pitiful police salary means they can't afford a Honda Civic type R. All cars have the power to break the speed limit easily now, 75hp is enough to get a car to do 100mph. I've thankfully never been pulled but they'd be disapointed because they would find nothing and would see from looking at my driving license that I'm not some pillock who doesn't know what they're doing since I can drive Buses and Lorries.
Yes, my mate got stopped just after leaving a pub car park "have you been drinking sir?" "Well yes, ive been to a darts match and had 4 pints" , "right i require you...etc", "you have blown zero, you said you had 4 pints", "yes officer 4 pints of oranfe a lemonade", "are you taking the piss? why didnt you say so?", "right firstly i answered the question you asked me and second you wouldnt have believed me and would have breathalysed me anyway", copper then said "i could do you for wasting police time!"
I had this in my 1st car a 2md hand 6 year old 1.4 seat Leon in silver with plain alloy wheels . Apparently I must've been a big time dealer to afford that £4000 car at 22 years old 😂
@@christophergallagher3845 I had a £9500 car at 19 years old, it was called doing lots of overtime for a year straight and short term HP deal car paid off at 21. My 1st car was a total shed though. Given the Use of ANPR if you're driving normally there should not be a reason to get pulled over.
@@gravemind6536 I was in 3rd year of my apprenticeship ticeship at 19 making about £120 a week un early 2000s . By the time I got to work and fed myself I had barely enough left to take driving lessons . I saved a few pounds a week un the credit union but wasn't until I got my time out at 20 I could save properly . I loved that first car more than any I've had lol it wasn't terrible it was clean and basic. Someone drove u to back of me it got written off after a year I was gutted lol8
This pisses me off. Absolutely no reason to pull you over. I see people speeding, using mobiles phones, no seatbelts etc etc every single day and very little seems to get done about it.
Are you actively hunting to see if police officers are pulling people over for those offences? Cause more times then not, they do get caught eventually
Certain drivers are more trouble than others if stopped by police, hence reason they probably turn a blind eye and ignore them. All part of their diversity training I imagine.
To be fair I always thinks its odd when I see a BMW or Audi doing 20 in a 20 zone its so out of charecter and the vast majority ignore them. But yeah people driving as if they're on a test is highly irregular.
It is quite a sporty looking vehicle for a learner driver, I'd have been stoked to learn to drive in it for sure! Used to get pulled over a couple of times a week when I was 17 where I quickly learnt to be quiet and respectful! Good luck to your adi student, should all feel easier now after that experience!😀
I flagged a police car down outside a nightclub because my car had been vandalised and thought they could use their torch to have a quick look for the HT lead that was likely chucked in the car park. The car had an exposed engine. It was was purchased a week before so was still registered 100 miles away. They questioned me and when I was a little cross saying if I stole it, why would I flag them down. They threatened me with a breath test even though they never saw me in the car. Not had a drink all night. Lost a little respect that day.
I always remember finding a guy passed out in the middle of the street, seeing police a few yards away and getting their attention (while someone else attended to the guy) only to be treated as if I was wasting their time and doing something wrong. While they were more interested in chatting up young women.
You're best off not getting involved with them. My missus spoke to a police officer in a car park once and he then questioned why we had umbrellas in the car (in England).
The big problem is the police do not use these powers to keep law abiding citizens safe. They use these powers to harass law abiding citizens into the chance of nicking them for what ever they can come up with in my opinion. I am speaking from the position as a retired police officer not just a law abiding citizen. Things need to change within the Police forces in the U.K. and the first things is actual structured education into the law plus an extensive training schedule for dealing with the public with respect when under pressure. All I have seen over the years is factories producing coppers on an assembly line with the minimum amount of training and education to do their duties. This is a very dangerous thing to do in my opinion.
Out of curiousity, what are the requirements to become a police officer in the UK? Here in Norway, one of the requirements is a 3 year study at a Police Academy/University/College (not really sure which of those translations is the best) ending in a Bachelor's degree. And the requirements to be eligible for that degree are that you have to: 1)be a Norwegian Citizen, 2)have a clean record, 3)have general study skills from upper secondary school, 4)have at least grade 3 in written Norwegian, 5)pass physical tests and medical requirements, 6)have a class B driver's license for at least two years, 7)be found suitable for admission after assessment by the admissions committee.
Do police officers get off on arresting people? I suspect I might know the answer to this question. I was once told my local police station had a league table for arrests.
Also speaking as a former police officer, leaving after injury on duty, I totally agree with you. The quality and professionalism of officers today is appalling. Supervisors are no longer experienced and standards of morality and discipline have been trashed. The officer in this clip quite clearly has no awareness that his powers must be used fairly, proportionately and wisely.
Evening Chris, thanks for tuning in. I think it would be really interesting for both of our driving styles to cross swords. Send me a message ashleynealbusiness@gmail.com and we'll try and put something together!
PC absolutely cut the corner, both wider and for longer than your car. Obviously had nothing better to do with taxpayers money, and probably needs more training himself! Well done for being so calm and collected during the confrontation 10/10.
Mate of mine is in his 60s and got pulled over on his motorbike. As the cop walked up my mate took his helmet off, The cop took one look at him and said “Oh sorry mate, I didn’t realise you were an old boy I thought you were a youngster.. carry on” then got back in his police car and drove off. My mate was left there thinking “OLD BOY ! 🤬… come back here and give me a ticket 😡”
Thanks for posting this. The advice given at the end is spot on; never be afraid to ask the questions but remain respectful ... Not all police are very good at de-escalation, so we need to be (unfortunate state of affairs but it is what it is)
Might be the transition to the rear video camera at the 1:00 minute mark, when the police car is first highlighted, but I do not hear the indicator as the vehicle changes from the left lane to the right lane. I assume indication is required to change lanes in the UK. Maybe this is what the police officer noticed, if no indication was given?
Not a legal requirement in the UK unlike in the US or similar. It's only 'required' if there's other road users that would benefit, which with the nearest vehicle being that far behind, doesn't apply here. Also, if that was the case, there would be no reason to not say that when stopped. I think it would be a less negative interaction if they had said that instead of just 'I can pull over anyone I like'. 'Why did you stop us?' 'No indicator when changing lanes.' 'It's not needed when it doesn't pose a risk to anyone' 'We know, we're just using small things like that to choose people for random stops in this area.' 'OK, well we're all legal.' 'We see that, thank you, have a nice day. And good luck to you for your instructor's tests,' See, much nicer. :)
I got 'pulled' once, on a motorway, at 3am. When I asked why, he said I wasn't going fast enough! Apart from myself and the cop car, the road was empty, and I'd been going at 55, as I was only going about two junctions along! More recently, on a dual carriageway, I got stopped. When I asked why, he asked what the speed limit on the road was, so I replied it was 40. No it isn't, said the cop, it's a 30 road! So I pointed at the sign about 50 yards in front, displaying a 40 repeater, and asked what it meant. Ah, he said, drive more carefully in future! and drove off in his Range Rover tank.
Where's that story of the police officer who ignored a no entry sign to chase down a bus, despite the sign having an "except buses" excemption, and on the note of buses, questioning someone as to why they were "loitering" only to have their attention drawn to the bus stop they were waiting at 😂
@@fetchstixRHD Going back many years on a late night I parked by the kerb, got out of my car and used a telephone box within a few steps of where I parked. When finished I was surprised to find an officer loitering outside who's first question was, why did you park here...I look at him like he was stupid and pointing at the phone box I replied, to use the phone. He did the usual looking for faults and found nothing. Utterly bizarre.
@@Djnffnoeosmfasjjd 50 or lower is considered to slow, above 50-60 is optimal due to heavy goods vehicles, and 70 is the limit, not a target, Heavy goods are limited speeds varying from 52 - 56.
@@stevenrix7024 not so much that, more that Ash has upset them or a friend, "he must be doing a lesson as there are two in the car, he hasn't got the L's on, let's have him!"
@@catfrab One can go and find out about on-board ANPR systems and what they do in U.K. police cars. The system will have showed all of the details automatically. So, yes, they in fact _did_ know whose driving school it was. But what they _saw_ was something that _did not look like_ a driving school vehicle nor like a lesson in progress. That sort of mismatch between what the ANPR system says and what's visible to the naked eye is the very sort of red flag that gets followed up on. Ironically, it was when they turned into the car park to obviously do manoeuvres that the police officer figured out that it probably _was_ Ashley in the car, rather than (say) some pair of middle-aged thieves who had nicked Ashley's car.
Hi Ashley, just a perspective from the other side for you: Most police cars do not have ANPR fitted but those that do perform a check on every vehicle that drives past. The officers in this clip were likely using their force issued mobile to replicate ANPR and checking random vehicles for having MOT, insurance, any stop markers etc. It may be completely random that they put your numberplate into the system to check and they were probably checking lots of other peoples number plates before yours. It may also be that your number plate ‘PA55 SOS’ interested them as that is a common wording found on driving school cars. When they performed the check they would have seen that it was registered to a driving school or had driving school insurance, and they will have seen 2 people in the front seats, 2 rear view mirrors and possibly the front passenger (you) using your hands in a manner which looks like an instructor trying to explain something. They see that there’s no L-Plates so to either confirm or disprove that there was a learner driver driving, they pulley you over to find out. Now I probably would have actually checked the licence to make sure that the driver wasn’t telling porkies but they clearly trusted you when they spoke to you. If you had been driving without the L-Plates and had a provisional in the car, it most likely would have been a reminder to put the L-plates on and that would be the end of it, unless you get an officer with less compassion, then the driver would be looking at getting reported for driving otherwise than in accordance with a licence and you for allowing the same offence. Regarding the times where you see the police seemingly ignore the issues, you have to imagine that the police are normally always tied up with a job and could have a prisoner in the back of the car or van, it could be a non-response driver (who are not allowed to pull people over or use blue lights and there is currently a near 2 year wait for driving courses so if an officer has been in less than that, then they are likely to not be able to pull people over.) They could be responding to an emergency (but again not a response driver) or a grade 2 incident (which doesn’t need blue lights and sirens but must be attended ASAP). There are many other reasons that police will decide not to pull someone over, too many to list, but I know that officers love pulling people over so if they could, or whatever they were doing was less important/urgent I am sure that they would. People always seem to assume that the police target them unfairly, but at the end of the day that is their job, to act on suspicions and investigate to see if everything is all in order or if further action is needed. I can understand that you may find it annoying but there is no other way for a police officer to find out who is driving other than pulling the car over.
Thanks for your measured response Thomas. I hope that any Police Officers reading this also quickly realise the driving lessons do not have to be conducted with just provisional licence holders. It's quite interesting you use the word suspicions just as the police officer in the clip did. Even if the officer following did work out that by my mannerisms I was teaching, it's quite easy to pick up in the mirrors an approximate age of the driver. If you combine this with how John was driving would this have raised the alarm bells for you?
@@ashley_neal I am an officer myself and we are taught to be ‘professionally curious’ and we have to be as part of our job, suspicion always comes down to the individual and is normally formed naturally without trying, and it's important to note that ‘suspicion' in law is a lot lesser than ‘belief’, and in this case, the officer suspected that there may be a driving lesson going on (which was correct) and that meant that there was a chance the driver was a provisional. I would hope that all officers do know that full licence holders can have lessons too, but more than likely on a driving lesson, it will be a provisional licence holder. I don’t think the manner of John’s driving played any part in the officers’ decisions here, and they don’t need to, and just because someone is older they are not necessarily a full licence holder. I would love to see a video of you doing a ride along with a traffic unit so that you can share a little bit with your audience how the police work and you can even give the police driver some cheeky tips along the way, I’d love a shift out with you but unfortunately I am a bit far away down in Oxfordshire (and we would never have the resources here for it to happen anyway as I am a response officer) 😃
That's all fine. What irked me about the stop on this video was that the officer was either not being entirely honest or had not thought through all of the potential scenarios that could be involved. "Because I have the power to do X" is *NEVER* an acceptable answer to the question "Why did you do X?" IMV any warrant-carrying officer (police, border force, HSE, whoever) who goes down that route should be summarily dismissed. You - the officer - must have a reason for doing anything that inconveniences a member of the public, and you must have confidence in your decision-making so that you can explain honestly why you took the decision you did. You might make a mistake - that's fine. What isn't fine is to pull rank to cover it up.
@@ashley_neal "suspicions" is not necessarily a negative word - you can either suspect something to be true, or believe it to be true. It is just a word used a lot in police jargon but suspicion and suspect does not necessarily mean they suspect something bad is happening.
I got pulled over by a cop on Christmas day once whilst I was on a motorcycle. I suspect he might have just done it because he was bored and there was not much traffic about because I was riding perfectly safely, not speeding and just happened to pass him as he was parked up on a side road. The cop asked me if I'd had a drink and slightly to his surprise, I said: 'yes, I've had half a can of cheap two percent lager at a friend's house about twenty minutes ago whilst I was dropping off some presents for his kids, so I know that drink is not enough to either affect my ability, nor would it put me over the limit. You can test me if you like, I know it won't come back positive'. Sure enough he breath tested me and sure enough the test came up negative, as I knew it would, because I would not have been riding if that drink could have in any way made riding my motorbike dangerous. Because the cop was pissed off about that test not coming up positive, he then started going over my motorcycle looking for faults to try to find something to do me on. Whilst he was doing that, I said: 'You can see that it's a G reg right? (that was the new registration at that time). So good luck trying to find a fault, it's less than two months old, it is taxed, I have a licence and being new, as you know the bike won't actually need an MOT for over two and a half years anyway. Besides which, since I've literally only just bought it from new, if there was anything wrong with it I'd have taken it back and had it fixed for free, wouldn't I? He ignored all that and carried on looking at literally everything on my gleaming new and obviously perfectly serviceable motorcycle for quite a long time, just to hold me up, but in the end he had to let me go because I'd done nothing wrong and there was nothing wrong with my vehicle. Sometimes they pull you just because they can. It's not always a bad thing of course as sometimes they might get lucky, but for many of them, it's nothing more than the unnecessary power trip of a sad little man or woman. And that's unfortunate for all the cops out there who are decent, diligent and who do a great job, and fortunately for us, there are many of them like that. But unfortunately, those who are decent end up getting tarred by the same brush of the few who are not up to snuff, even when they are themselves great officers, so I hope everyone remembers that if you come across one who is a bit of a dick, it doesn't mean all cops are undeserving of respect.
I have been pulled over 4 times by the police. Each and every time has been "we are just checking everything is all in line". All 4 times I did nothing wrong and was driving sensibly. I get that random checks sometimes catch people out for driving without insurance, drink driving, etc. but it doesn't seem very efficient use of their time to be pulling people over just because they want to run a check with no prior suspicion or reason. Like you have noticed, I often see people driving horribly around the police and them not being pulled over for it. Don't get me wrong, I don't have any personal issues with the spending a few minutes talking to the police at a police stop as I know I have nothing to hide, it's just the feeling of it being a big waste of their time talking to me.
I think the check was most likely based on the color and make of the car. However the pulling over was not a waste of time. I think they saw him instructing, after learning this car was used by a driving instructor, they just wanted to check if he forgot his L-Plates. They did not even check documentation and just believed them. Maybe I am naive, but it seemed that was just out of courtesy then anything else.
@@ronrolfsen3977 Yeah I don't think Ashely has any issues with the reason for it. More just the stereotyping of his vehicle. I wonder if the PASS SOS plate he has on the car had anything to do with the police identifying it as a learner car
@@SurgeDashcamhonestly it's pretty easy to tell when a car is being used for driver learning, always someone in the passenger seat pointing hands at directions and stuff and car model + plates can also kind of give it away and the way the person drives
Police pulled me over in the 1990s. They gave the reason that my vehicle could be regarded as imitating a police car. It was a red Austin Mini with rally stickers. I do not joke.
@2:19 Passing the 20mph when flashing partially hiding by the tree, did the speed of the vehicle reduce to 20mph? Possible reason. However can check any car at any time. Response cars dont have ANPR so checks will have to be done manually.
I had the exact thing happen to me whilst driving a New bright green CHR. I thought at the time it was because of the colour and I could of been "stereo typed". Watching this video as probably confirmed this. Thank you.
There's a reason for stereotypes though. Lots of "sporty" cars get driven by young people who drive them dangerously, so police get a bit fixated on those types of cars at times. And if yours happens to look exactly like the one they pulled up last week being driven by a suspended driver, then you'll get pulled for a quick license check every day for a week because they think you're suspended.... I know... I've had that happen, and it wasn't even a sporty car. Just the same model, year and colour, and not a particularly common model in town.
There's a reason I migrated to fast Volvos, the police leave you alone when they think you're a boring geography teacher. The one time I did get pulled over for speeding (over 90 in a 60 zone) I got a warning, they probably found it amusing seeing a beige Volvo S80 with over 300 bhp floor it.
Completely agree with you there Ashely. Just drove to/from Leeds from up here north of Newcastle and the level of some people's driving ability is terrible, not using roundabouts correctly, no indication of roundabouts. And then yesterday a car making a left turn onto a slip road, came to a complete stop in order to let a car in the central reservation to turn in, meaning myself and 4-5 other cars behind all had to quickly come to a stop. It's an injustice when you get things like this to happen, but it is what it is sadly. Meanwhile, the number of uninsured drivers is still up. Madness.
The only thing was that after the left turn, the student changed to the right hand lane but I didn't hear the indicator turn on. However, I doubt that had anything to do with the stop. Either it was automatically check by ANPR or they profiled your car.
4:50 -ish: as they always say, if you find yourself having to say "i have the legal right/authority to say/do this" you've probably just conceded that you're in the wrong / have no other justification
My late wife was a police officer. When we discussed this sort of thing (it's been happening a long time) she said that, police officers sometimes stop a fancy car in the hope that an offence has been committed. Then the officers get to drive the car. So that's confirmation of your suspicion from the horse's mouth.
Can't see how that's possible since in all instances if the car was not going to leave with the owner then it would be on the back of a recovery vehicle. Should it be stopped on say a motorway slipway and the driver panics and doesn't follow the road to a suitable spot and dumps it then it is possible the police would get a few hundred yards of driving but that's hardly worth it, and a very rare occurrence.
@@BunFight happens all the time i work at a impound garage and they drive them in daily 👍we even had the local chief of police borrow a druf dealers bentley for the weekend years back lol
The state of road policing in the UK is absolutely shambolic. Multiple times now both friends and I have been pulled and plate checked, with the policeman then opening with "You've done nothing wrong...". Meanwhile, I regularly see people checking their phones and texting whilst driving along the dual carriageway through my town, cutting corners and exits at every junction and roundabout and speeding at least 10mph over the limit. Not a single time have I seen police stop them for it. I have no issue with justified stops, but it seems like the power to stop anyone is just being abused to push up numbers whilst they never bother to stop actual offences.
I have only ever been pulled over once, for driving 35 in a 40mph zone... I was driving slowly as there were cars everywhere on the road and many blind corners. Police officer clearly thought he was being generous only giving me a warning and got annoyed when I told him I wasn't even breaking any laws. I was always told "it's a limit not a target"
I got stopped driving through Welshpool at 3am (a brilliant time of night for making good progress). Plod was parked up and I saw him ages before I passed him because of the blue reflective tape, but they still felt the need to pull me over. It was all very polite but they made assumptions about where I was going, my nationality, and when they had nothing, told me I should stick to 30 mph in future. I'd been doing 30 because I'd seen them. That was the day I realised that it was my word against theirs, and no-one would take mine. That sort of thing happened a lot in Wales. I think most coppers are decent sorts but lying just once can create a mountain of distrust.
I got beckoned over by a policeman with a radar gun once. It was just inside a 30 zone as it came from a 60 zone. I had pulled out of a side road so I wasn't going that fast, but maybe a tad over 30. He asked how fast I was going. I replied 30---ish! He showed me the back of the gun...it said 56mph! I laughed and said I might have been going a smidgeon over 30 but certainly not that fast! He also smiled and said yes, he could see I wasn't, it had probably picked up the cars coming over the hill behind, still in the 60 zone, and he let me on my way. Mind you, I was once pulled over on a motorway and the policeman smiled and said I should stick to 85 in future! :-)
Its scary how bad the driving standards are becoming, I chose not to drive on the pavement, as a result, I had a lot of abuse hailed towards me, I am constantly being tailgated, and the excuse I see on social media is, I am not doing the speed limit, I do the limit, I always make sure my limiter is on and that is the issue, 90% of people want to go over the limit. I constantly see people on mobiles phones
Have you checked your car speedometer vs GPS speed though? Some are incredibly wrong. That can make you think you're "going the limit" but you're actually significantly slower.
We had some construction going on and the road limits was lower significantly for a while. I had people being angry at me for driving the new speed limits. Flashing lights and honking horns. Weird part is, that they could overtake me. However at that road it would be illegal. It just feel arbitrary the rules people seems to accept they should and should not follow. Also had plenty of people being annoyed when I do not want to undertake a car. Had people be angry at me for not doing that. But I always leave room for people to go Infront of me and undertake that car. A lot of people do not even look for that solution. They just want to be angry.
@@tin2001very true. My speedometer is about 5% optimistic. Rises to 10% at slower speeds. I can tell who is going by their speedometer on the motorway as I creep past them at a 3mph speed difference, while doing 70 as per my GPS. 😂
@@tin2001 I've been stuck behind drivers, often in a convoy of many other vehicles, where the driver has been sticking to 5-10mph below the speed limit. You can just feel the blood boiling of all the drivers in the convoy while the slow driver carries on seemingly oblivious to what's going on behind; or are they just being stubborn and take pleasure in creating a queue? It doesn't help that a lot of speed limits these days are unnecessarily low (dual carriageways with 20mph limits FFS!), so many drivers treat them with the contempt they deserve, while others rather not risk getting done for speeding to try and stick to well within them. So you end up with a bipolar distribution of speeds on the road, one peak just below the speed limit, and another around the what the speed limit should be (and probably used to be) for the road. It can't do much for safety or drivers' moods having this disparity.
I used to drive a van for work. It was a fleet so we didn't have vans dedicated for each driver, and some of the people driving were frankly not fit to drive (they were often driving as they were taking equipment to a site they were working on, while I was purely driving to delivery equipment to other people) so some of the vans were more dent than van tbh. It was very fun driving those vans sensibly and people hurling abuse (if they wished to), because I could sit high up with the doors locked and look at the aggressive nutcases who would then take a look at the state of the van and assume that another dent would go unnoticed if I wished to do something stupid 😂
Perfect?…I defo wouldn’t have pulled out at 1:00 when another car in outside lane and he is merging as what if car moves left at same time. Take that out by waiting 1 more second. That’s why this hesitation thing is bs in uk driving. I’d sooner save my car than someone else rubbish driving. I’d add I’ve never had any accidents for 31 years driving.
I noted In your video we can hear the indicator on when he was preparing to turn through intersections and on most occasions as required. However when he pulled out as you said in front of the Police Officer and proceeded down the left hand lane (Time 0.56 - 0.58) and then later down the road he moved to the right hand lane without indicating (Time 1.00 - 1.05). Or if he did it was not heard in your video from multiple angles as was normally heard on other occasions, he then later indicated (as heard on video at Time 1.13) to turn right at the upcoming intersection. I had wondered at first if this was the instance that they began to check your vehicle on suspicion and or general rego check.
I got stopped by die Politzei somewhere in Bavaria, many years ago. I was impressed with how small German radar guns were compared to UK, until I realized that was no radar!
@@MiGujack3 That was back in the day when if you pointed a camera at a DDR (East German) guard when you were on a West Berlin viewpoint at the wall, they responded by lining up their rifles. Crossing the border was also scary. A siren went off just as I passed the DDR checkpoint and the barriers came down and AK-47s appeared everywhere. The good old days were anything but!
I have a hypothesis; those driving carefully, following the rules, are either a learner or somebody trying not to draw attention to themselves because they know they shouldn't be driving.
A few months ago my late mum and I stopped at Clacket Lane services on the M25 for a short break. I reversed into a parking bay, back to back with a BMW 3 series estate police car that was parked in the next row. The officer was standing by his patrol car taking a break himself. As I got out of my car, the officer had seen the various Canadian flags on my car (they're hard to miss)...and then preceded to ask me about Canada, including which country I thought was best, Canada or the UK! I sense he wanted to Immigrate but I simply told him each country has it's pros and cons. 🇬🇧 🇨🇦 This is just one of so many lovely memories of travelling with my very dear mum who very sadly passed away on July 3rd after falling down the stairs at home on April 29th. Although she fractured her wrist, it wasn't till June 26th that a ct scan revealed brain bleeds. Please stay safe everyone.
@@guyj3025 Oh I didn't know that. Are you in Canada? The fact that you wrote RCMP strongly suggests to me you are also Canadian. I'm dual Brit Canadian and my other home is Vancouver BC. 🇨🇦
@@sgkingly8392 Oh I'm so very sorry indeed at your loss. Especially in December what with Christmas and New Year's. As many on this channel will know, my mum and I were incredibly close. She was 88 and in extremely good health. It was a stair fall at home in the middle of the night on April 29th and subsequent discovery via CT scan on June 26th of two brain bleeds that ultimately resulted in her passing away on July 3rd. So totally unexpected. I truly wish you and your family all the best under these challenging circumstances.
@@ibs5080I am sorry for your loss. I know from seeing your many comments on this channel how close you were to your mum and losing her, you must be bereft. I hope that time will heal your wounds and you look back on your memories fondly for years to come.
At 4:29 he claims he is teaching a driving instructor... From the comments on. the driving, that is worrying if the driver is an instructor and making that many errors
6:29 - I drove through there for the first time in months yesterday and noticed that there's now what looks like a yellow box camera (correct me if wrong). Some people will see it as a money making machine but ultimately the yellow box is there for a reason and is well covered on driving lessons and in the highway code. There's no excuse to be blocking a yellow box. Interestingly enough, I wonder if you know how these yellow box cameras work for vehicles who are turning right?
I'm not sure they come across too many Focus RS as a learning vehicle. I'd say that is a bit odd, so maybe they check when something is "different" from the norm. But I wonder why they didn't tell you that: "Look, an RS is a very uncommon vehicle for driving schools, so we checked everything was in order". That's it...
They couldn't have known it was a driving school car unless they ran check on Ashley's car beforehand which is the point, why did they run checks if they did nothing wrong? They could have maybe known Ashley from his videos and then thought he was teaching without an L plate, but that wouldn't line up with your theory as they'd know he does in fact use an ST as a driving school car from the get go.
@@SurgeDashcam Ah, yes, you're right, I thought they knew it was a driving school before checking, but probably at that point everything related to the driving schools (signs, L plates, etc.) was removed... In that case, I can bet they normally check cars that could be potentially stolen, like RSs instead of the 1.0 petrol, but again, why didn't they say so? Normally high-end versions/trims are stolen more, so I can appreciate they make an effort to check...
In fairness, I was once stopped by the police while driving my Morris 1100 impeccably. The reason given was that there had been a spate of similar cars being stolen, and my car had a registration plate from the other end of the country. I didn't mind, as if my car had been stolen, itmight have been recovered that way.
@@BennyHarveyBigMan There's a right and wrong way to be proactive. If Land Rovers or Mercedes are being targeted by thieves, then yes, pull them over more often to ensure those driving around the area are all legal. If you're pulling a car over for driving very 'by the book', run a check that shows it's an instructor's car 2 up (although I think Ashley might have a personal plate with 'PASS' on it or similar, so you don't even need an ANPR system to join those dots) with a positively gesticulating passenger, then pull it over with the response 'because I can' to the question 'why did you stop us', not so much. I think Ashley would have been a lot happier if they just answered 'Focus ST is a car common with some criminals in the area' or similar, providing that was the reason they stopped him. A Focus ST being driven in a 'dotted i and stroked t' sort of way when they are visible in a marked police car could suggest someone trying very hard to not get pulled over. Being 2 up with a passenger pointing where to go could be a drug deal type of situation, one party swings by and picks the other up in one area, they do their business on the move, then they direct to another place to be dropped off, but this falls apart if Ashley does have a personal 'PASS' plate and if they did the check on the plate to see it's an instructor's car so this is unlikely their motivation for continuing with the stop, and with how oblivious some officers seem to be (I don't think the one driving the Transit in Ashley's other clip of the car going over the pavement at the lights actually saw that car do it), I'm not sure the average officer would even be paying that much attention either. If they're having a slow day, no particular make or type of vehicle is being specifically targeted, they should just choose a random number then when the 'n'th car pings the ANPR system, they pull it for a random stop check. Then if the driver asks why they've been stopped, it's because they rolled a dice and they won. :) This shouldn't be needed though, as nowadays I'd expect police to be trained in a bit of psychology or something to determine potential criminals, but as the training doesn't seem to reinforce even more basic skills than that, getting officers to run a random number generator then count ANPR hits from that would probably give them the best chance of actually catching someone in that way. ('Ping' and 'hit' are probably the wrong words to use as that would suggest the ANPR system returns something by itself and notifies them, and so every 'ping' should be followed up on, but I think these systems still show the photos of each non-pinging car on a screen as well, so it's just the 'n'th of those). Yeah, I probably cling to too much hope of functional services and competent people in the world.
@markwright3161 Being 2 up with the passenger pointing directions in a car with PA55 on the plate would definitely indicate it was being used to teach - all the more reason to stop it if it's not displaying the correct signage 🤷♂️ The Yorkshire ripper was caught due to a 'hunch' following a random traffic stop, psychological training didn't factor into that.
I was tailgated by a police officer in a marked car. I slowed down to let him pass. Instead of going on his way he pulled me up and asked why I was going so slowly. This was about midnight in St Helens with very little traffic. In fairness this was the 3rd traffic stop over my 50 year driving career.
Police don't help when help is needed anymore but they're quick to pull cars over for doing nothing wrong, I broke down on the M25 near Heathrow in the early hours of last Monday morning, turned out I had no breakdown cover (Thought I did with my insurance) I was on the hard shoulder but after a long sweeping bend with poor visibility of approaching traffic, a Police car drove past (not on a call) I raised my hand to flag them down, they looked at me as they drove past but didn't stop and didn't return, I was there for 2 hours while struggling to find a recovery service that could help.... If you think you have breakdown cover but are not sure, double check! It gets real expensive if you don't. For those who are wondering.... My timing belt broke, it was changed 4 years ago and had less than 7000 miles on it.
My dad use to have black VW Golf R32 V6. Once or sometimes twice a day, He ALWAYS got pulled by the police as they were notorious for drug dealing or being stolen. He was in his early 40's at the time, never been in trouble. He ended up getting rid of it.
100% the colour & type of vehicle was why you got pulled. I drive a hot hatch & got pulled the other night on the way home from work (around 12am) was followed for over 2 miles before the blues came on, PC asked for my license straight away which I replied why what have I done? She looked at me and gave out a big sigh as she assumed I was going to be difficult & obstructive, replied Look you have a nice car we are just checking to make sure it’s not stolen simple as that, No problem handed my DL over end of. I’d rather them just be honest & straight rather than making a load of BS up.
You: "The police is wrong assuming we're on a driving lesson without L plate" Also you: "I'm gonna assume police pull me over cuz of the color of my car"
but what's wrong with that?, we know certain cars end up being driven by certain people, certain cars get stolen a Focus ST being one of them. they check seen it wasn't stolen and thought it might have just been worth a quick check as there was no L plates.
Really? Boy racers don't really drive the current gen cars so much. The mk1 and mk2, and some mk3's for sure. But the current ones are too expensive or too new for the yobbo in the estate to get one.
In my 40+ years of driving I've only ever had two interactions with traffic police. 1) Helped me change a tyre. 2) All-lane traffic stop using 3 police cars to extract me from a broken down vehicle on a motorway. So, no complaints from me.
I agree with you and i noticed the placement of the coppers car wasn't great with him being very close to the central white lines lot of the time, i can appreciate that with the state of our roads but the road there looked pretty good.
I genuinely feel like a decent proportion of our police have little to no clue what law's they're actually supposed to enforce on a day to day basis. Ive seen red light jumpers, phone users, and lane hoggers all sitting in Police Vehicles or in front of police vehicles.
the amount of police who think they can't be filmed is astonishing too, not only can they be filmed but they SHOULD be filmed as it keeps everyone above board
Totally agree, that the police are inept and working with a diminishing pool of low hanging fruit. This comes from the top down, so needs root and branch reform!
I was in Oxford a few years ago on a night out with a couple of friends, we had the a Police van pull up next to us and several jumped out and started to question us as to what we up to. Obviously I said why? The Sgt got stroppy then and started mentioning Police powers etc. It turns out it was because we had spoken to a homeless person. At that point they asked for all our details, so we complied and gave our names and addresses. We were students so our address was a college. His next question was 'what are you studying?' I looked at my mate and we both started laughing. In unison we turned to the copper and said 'Law' At that point the conversation ended extremely quickly and they left. He knew he had no grounds under the Poilce and Criminal Evidence act or the other acts like the Road Traffic Act and the Misuse of Drugs act that give police powers to stop people.
Most police officers that you see are response officers. It is their job to respond to calls made by members of the public. If they are not using blue lights, they are more than likely travelling to a 'priority' grade incident which requires them to arrive within one hour of the call being made. If they see a traffic offence and choose not to stop the car, it is usually because, if they do, they will miss their target time for the job they are en route to. Or, the risk level for their assigned incident is higher than a traffic offence so this takes priority. Also, a surprisingly large number of police officers are not trained to use the blue lights, meaning they cannot pull cars over at all. Police response teams are chronically understaffed and it is extremley rare that they get any time to be proactive - demand is far too high for the poor staffing levels. When they do get a chance to be proactive, they will stereotype choosing which cars to run checks on to make the most of their time. Sporty or expensive cars are more likely to be stolen so a quick check on the VRM is more likely to flag an issue. They can stop any car driving on a road for any reason, not just the three you listed. There was nothing wrong with the actions of the officers who stopped you, they had a quick and friendly chat with you which was enough for them to realise that everything was in order. They do not need to explain their rationale for the stop to you, but it was probably because it is a performance vehicle with instructor's insurance not displaying L plates. Obviously everything was correct and in order, but those officers didn't know that until they stopped to talk to you. Some police officers are lazy, but the vast majority are not. I like your videos and understand it is frustrating to see traffic offences not being dealt with, but please don't jump to blame the individual officers. They are just normal people doing the best job they can with limited resources in a challenging environment, and are pressured to get to as many incidents on the log as possible by supervisors and their control room, often not having time for a meal break. Supervisors do not see traffic offences as a priority. If you want more traffic offences dealt with, staffing levels need to be higher to free up officers' time. Police forces are unlikely to dedicate limited resources to traffic ahead of things like domestic abuse or other serious violent or acquisitive crime.
"......A police officer must have a good reason for stopping and/or searching you and they are required to tell you what that reason is...." this has all sorts of ramifications when you factor in human rights and discrimination laws, so no you're not entirely correct at all. it all starts from the initial suspicion so you better have your reason(s) watertight. "because i have the power to do so" isn't satisfactory.
They don’t work without a meal break at all, and most of the jobs are like constant breaks anyway. They stand around 12 of them doing the “job” 1 person could do to waste more time then round to mcds drive thru then off to violate someone’s rights or take food off the table of a hardworking person.
Your racing looking Focus ST has magnetic charm for police. Through 7 years of polite driving BMW with few (previous owner) tunning touches, I met EVERY policeman on 30 miles diameter. :DDD
Love this. You are right in that the police are over-stepping their powers by assuming that a strangely coloured car and the lack of displaying “L” plates constituted to a a reasonable “pull” and not giving a reasonable answer as to why he stopped you
I think they may have recognised the car and wanted to catch you out. Hence the pointing. About 20 years ago I was on an automatic lesson with a FLH who hadn't driven for 30 years. We had already done a few lessons, so while she was careful she was capable. We got pulled over. The policeman was all ready to give me a telling off in front of my pupil, instead my pupil ended up giving him a piece of her mind 😂. I fully understood the reasoning as we weren't displaying L plates in a liveried vehicle, but it was clear from the way he initiated the interaction he wanted to catch me out. As he never asked if the pupil was a FLH, he instead led with you've got no L plates.
The hand gestures early on to me suggest the following: These police officers are viewers of the channel, recognised the car and wanted to see if it was in fact Ashley Neal. They couldn’t see this as a result of the three right hand turns, so flashed blue lights to get a good look. They were having a bet as to whether it was you or not. The lack of Ashley Neal Driving School box on the top and other L-plates making it less obvious if it was you or not.
"its registered as a driving instructor car, thats clearly the instructed and that the pupil. There is no L plates (because they was on a advanced driving course) lets follow to confirm before pulling him over"
Sounds like a prime example of power abuse. Bored cops pull over what they recognise to be a youtuber that they probably dislike due to him calling out police driving standards in the past. Disgrace to the force.
I've owned Audi S3s (pretty much the same car, different badge) for 7 years and not been pulled once (in those cars... Motorcycles are a different matter entirely 🤭). What are we to make of that..?
@@jimbo4375 No, I just drive it like I have 🤣 Funnily enough, when I first got one, I was driving round an empty common near me, which is a 30 mph speed limit even though there are few risks around (not the point, I know, but...) and I just thought "I'm going to floor it 🙂" so I did, only to be almost instantly lit up by blues and twos, from the car that had turned onto the common behind me. I hadn't seen it was a police car, because I had cargo in the back. He obviously thought I _had_ seen him and was immediately doing a runner 🤣 Of course I pulled over immediately and was very sheepish. The copper who got out of the car was clearly very disappointed that the Starsky & Hutch chase he thought he was going to get was not to be🤣 He gave me a stern lecture and sent me packing. But it was a lesson to me not to be a **** (I'm _way_ old enough to know better 😒)
I suspect that this police officer and probably many others might just be running random ANPR checks in situations like you had at the junction where you are all idling for a prolonged period of time. I'm sure a lot of the time nothing comes of it and you wouldn't even know the check has been carried out but every now and again they might catch out someone with no insurance, cloned plates etc. Obviously in this case he's noted that your vehicle is registered to a driving school, seen there's 2 of you in the front, that you have no L plates and made the (correct, to be fair) assumption that you're currently on a lesson without displaying those L plates - but this sort of random check won't account for the fact that your pupil is actually a license holder and is on ADI training so he pulled you to check it out, I imagine he might not have thought of that scenario!
I had the same thing during an advanced driving lesson once. The police stopped me saying you are obviously having a driving lesson. I don’t mind this at all as you say it’s nice to see them checking things they see when so much dangerous behaviour is going on out there. To be fair to the police I’m sure sometimes when you see them appear to ignore something going on they may be engaged in something else at the time that we cannot see.
I agree, it's good policing to check especially on high risk cars like the Focus ST which are stolen or used for dangerous driving quite a lot. He was able to see that it was a driving instructor car and then did a visual check of the driver & passenger confirming that it wasn't anything untoward.
@@faevilangel This exact type of policing is exactly why minorities despise police. He profiled the vehicle and then went out of his way to approach a member of the public who did not ask for help. This officer will approach someone having a bad day and now we've got unnecessary police resources being spent trying to prosecute someone for "swearing at me".
@@faevilangel Exactly this. When I was a bobby if it was quiet I'd often just check random car's plates and see if the driver matched the insurance details (had a lot of 1 named female driver, man driving the car situations).
I think the pulling over part was fair. I see a few people claiming it was a waste of time. They maybe should not have ran his car based on make and model, but that takes seconds. When they did that they learned this car was used by an instructor and they might have noticed he might be instructing someone. So they pulled him over just to check if he forgot his L-Plates. They did not even check documentations and what not and just believed them. I think that is more then fair for the cops to do. Whatever they should have ran his car in the first place is an other matter.
Yep on watching this I initially thought running the checks was poor but the comments suggest they can do it for any car whenever they like, so if they knew it was an instructor car with two people in it but no L plates, seems fair enough to check the driver. Should've explained it better though.
Completely agree - Not sure why ashley took umbrage with the police officer here. It was entirely reasonable to pull over (what was very obviously a driving instructor's car with the reg PA55 SOS) after noticing that there was a possibility of a provisional licenced driver being at the wheel without L plates being displayed. If the police are pro-active then they're tyrants who unfairly target innocent victims, but if they're reactive then they're accused of sitting round all day doing nothing and hoping to grab the low hanging fruit.
That was a S164 stop, which has nothing to do with manner of driving. This is made clear by the opening question being about the driver's licence status, and the following comment about L plates. You don't know why? Well, firstly, they do not need a reason, secondly they have explained why. They suspected a moving traffic offence may be being committed, specifically a learner driver not displaying L plates (Motor Vehicles (Driving Licences) Regulations 1999 R16 and/or Road Traffic Act 1988 s87). If you have kept your old vanity plate, it would be easy to assume it was a driving school vehicle even without doing the computer checks.
Would that fact that statistically (this stat is few years out of date) these were one of the most stolen vehicles for a long time. In which case I would be quite happy they were checking them out especially if I owned one. Does this play into it? Genuine question.
"they don't need a reason why" And for many people of, shall we say a certain shade, being stopped again and again for "no reason" feels like harassment and racism. But it ok because it's perfectly legal.
How exactly did they ascertain that the correct license was held? Or, on those kind of stops, is a criminal believed if they tell lies? Either back up your suspicion or don't make the stop. In between is pointless and unprofessional.
@@garyrowe58 You know what is professional? Being able to make a judgement call. Deal with the untruthful day in, day out and you get a good sense of when people are not being honest. Funnily enough, many of the people who complain on here about police, will tend to find full checks being done on them, because their attitude can be construed as covering for other things. A lesson for many there. Look at the number of people complaining that this stop was a waste of time, imagine their ire if a full document check was done, or as is quite possible calling out a vehicle examiner to perform what would basically be an MOT in the car park. Do that and there is even less time to catch the wrongdoers. So, which? The full works on every stop, or only stop people who are obviously doing certain wrong?
@@stevesmith7530 a bit of an overreaction. How about just a showing of the license? The police car had already decided it was worth investing time following them - why bug out without seeing it through, in a quick and painless way?
I'll be interested to know (following this incident) whether you get stopped more frequently whilst driving this car without the roof box, i.e. whether the police have 'marked your card'...
I've only ever been pulled over once in my entire driving career since passing my test in 1978. It was around 1980 whilst driving my very dear late very mum's (she passed away on July 3rd) 1978 Mini Clubman, which incidentally is still here at home and I would never part with. She owned it since new. Anyhow it was late at night and I was a student at what was Portsmouth Polytechnic at the time, now Portsmouth University. Although I knew there was a car behind me, because I had my mirror on night time dip, I had no idea at all it was a police car. First I knew as such was when this fully marked BMW 5 series police car overtook me, put on their blue lights and "Police Stop" sign on the boot lid. Two officers got out looking very purposeful, put on their police hats and came to talk to me and breathalysed me. All clean. And the reason they gave for stopping me? It was because I was driving strictly by the book and they felt this was unusual late at night on an empty road. They actually got suspicious that I was driving strictly by the book because I might have something to hide and didn't want to get pulled over! I then started talking to them about advanced driving and the police system of car control. Yes I was already interested in advanced driving even back then (though I still haven't taken the advanced test, which my late mum often encouraged me to do).Anyhow, they seemed to actually get quite bored with all my advanced driving talk, got back into their police 5 series and drove off.
I had a similar experience in 2000 when I was driving a black Ford focus hired car for a trip to England about 5 or 6am in the summer, so it was already fairly light, and I didn't think I needed my lights on. Unknown to me, the police car behind was flashing their lights, but I didn't notice the flashes since it was light. It was only when I approached a roundabout and looked in the mirror to check behind me before I signalled, when I noticed them. They pulled me over to give me a lecture about my lights and why did i not either put my lights on or stop for them, which I pointed out to them what I just typed. 🙄
@@CraigNiel Hello Craig. Ibrahim in Canterbury here. Yes it's all so sudden and unexpected,which makes it all the more difficult to deal with. Thank You for your kind words.
Back in the late '70s, early '80s, my dad said to me that you could always spot those who were driving home from the pub having had one too many as they were the only cars that were sticking rigidly to the speed limit at that time of night!
I can beat that, I was pulled over by the police and his reason was in his words "his opinion is that my car is very distracting ?" I asked him what he meant and he said and I quote " you have green lights on the front and red lights all over the back?" so every light on the rear of my car were standard and I did have 2 green marker lights on the front. We then spent 30 minutes at the road side as he wanted to give me a ticket despite the fact I had quoted all the rules and regs on lighting and in the end he had to concede that I was correct which really boiled his piss! LOL
I love your videos Ashley. If I was a cop I would absolutely check out your car because of the type and colour of the car first! note, I have a similar coloured motorbike and love cars. There's a lot of ford fiesta STs that get stolen, along with other popular models (golf R, audi S, RS etc).
Correction: I was mistaken down below and corrected by @davidocall. Hey Ashley, not a copper myself but do know a few. One thing to note is that many police officers don't actually have the power to pull people over even in a marked car due to not having completed the full driving training yet. So even if they see someone committing a driving offence, they may not be able to do anything about it themselves. I feel like many people in the UK don't know this, and it does lead to an increase in frustration about nothing being done.
Hello mate, as an ex bobby I can confirm this isn't true and a shame Ash has liked the comment. A police officer that's allowed to drive a marked vehicle is allowed to stop anyone. They aren't, however, allowed to pursue if that vehicle fails to stop. Might be where the confusion is.
@@jmantk6741 No worries, if anything it only adds to the frustration you spoke about because there is often no excuse. The clip Ash uses of the car going over the kerb is very unfair. To me it looks like a utility van, which often aren't allowed to conduct traffic stops and are carrying things like CSI equipment.
Honestly they said why they stopped you and it’s because the car came up as a driving instructor car, 2 people were in the car and looked like you was on a lesson, and you had no L plates on. They even immediately asked if the driver has a full uk license, because if he hadn’t then you’d be in trouble for not having the L plates on. It could be a targeted stop because of the car and colour, but I think the stop is somewhat justified
At 1:32 your vehicle has already crossed the line at the lights with no guarantee of being able to complete the turn before the lights change. In Australia that's an offence. The driver in front has already turned the front wheels to negotiate entry into the street on the right. Where do you think that car will end up if someone accidentally ran into the back of it in that position? I was taught to keep the wheels straight until you're actually making the turn so you don't get pushed into oncoming traffic.
@@bluezedd The filter light is not on when the driver went over the line, and there was traffic coming the other way. If you know that the arrow sequence will come on before the general green goes off then you can claim you can get through, but anyone else wouldn't know.
Hi ash , another good video 👍It irks me when I see so much bad driving on our roads and a lot of the time by so called professional drivers?Yet the police seem to have time to approach people for no reason apart from what car they drive . Seen lots of bad driving in your videos , some with cops obviously witnessing bad driving and they seem to think it’s acceptable . Too busy maybe pursuing other things ? Anyway another good video 👌
There’s such an important difference between having the power to do something and then making a choice about what to do with that power. This is the sort of thing that erodes trust in the police.
police ignoring drivers breaking the law but then hassling drivers who aren't doing anything wrong is an absolute shambles.
They pull over Any drivers that drive cars that look flashy and fast (the focus st is not fast but it looks like it is). It's like they want you to drive greyish bland looking cars. You can't have nice things even if you can afford it. You can't have particular tastes in cars. You suppose to be an NPC and blend in with the general crowd. Smh.
Police ignoring the mRNA jab mandates, apedophillia and war crimes while presecuting poor people for not obeying the woke political ideology is an absolute disgrace and borderline fascism...
You know there’s a lot of separate police officers in this country right? All with different levels of training, all on different jobs at different times. They aren’t all controlled by a hive mind 😂
@@johnb8956 Maybe not, but it won't be long before the woke brigade infiltrate the force 100%. The good ones are wanting out.
How are you expecting police to determine if a criminal is driving a vehicle, without stopping it?
Clairvoyance?
Reading a horoscope that day?
Perhaps you think they can see auras?
Stopping a vehicle is a perfectly reasonable investigative tool in the police officer's arsenal.
And those police officers have performed their duties perfectly.
They probably noticed the impeccable driving and thought it suspicious.
I'm not surprised- It is Liverpool, after all.
"This driver is driving too well so as not to arouse police suspicion. Let's pull them over."
@@jfletcher1029
Maybe, but more likely that the driving was very 'to the book' and he looked to be getting instruction from the animated passenger. Check the vehicle register and their suspicions are confirmed.
@@andrewholdaway813 Which isn't any crime or reason to pull them over. Complete waste of time.
@@jimmoynahan9910
It potentially was.
I was a driving instructor for many years. I was pulled over for driving in a bus lane at about 12:30. He came up to the with an arrogant attitude, he was very sarcastic, saying as a driving instructor I should know better. I said "they say if you want to know the time ask a policeman", I added "what time is it?" While I pointed out the sign said it was a bus lane between 7:30am and 9:30am, He just waked away without another word. That's the standard of Nottingham police.
We had exactly the same problem way back in the early 80s in London. Arrogant bike officer who could not easily see his watch but guessed the time as being just after the starting time of the bus lane. Then, the BBC News bulletin started on the radio showing he was wrong, instead of apologising, he told us to not do it again and rode off.
@@heathercutler6659 The police force is full of arrogant pompous narcissistic individuals. Some of them are sociopaths. They go unchecked, because they are in one of the most trusted roles in society, and often aim to be in the police force for that reason.
How can I say this with such confidence? Because most of them behave just as you described. Always need to have the last word, always need to have some sort of authority, always need to walk away from an interaction feeling like they've asserted even the tiniest bit of power, to the point of pettiness.
perhaps he was the Sheriff of Nottingham , out looking for a robbin' hood .
Had this happen to me a few times, they are absolutely clueless
Really annoying when drivers avoid a bus lane all day rather than read signs.
Ashley.. I’m a musician and often drive home after gigs in the early hours. Firstly I can’t believe the poor standards on the roads. Tonight I drove home from Birmingham to N Yorkshire. The M1 was practically empty but I lost count of the amount of times I was in the inside lane, doing the legal limit, and found myself catching up on people in the middle lane just sitting there. So tempting to undertake but I do always go around. When you then pull back into the inside lane you’d think they would get the hint but they don’t !
Keep doing your thing man , a friend of mine got done for exact same thing going 50 mph on 70mph zone on m8 . He got disqualified for 12 months and £500 fine. This was about 15 years ago . I'm the same as you I get tempted to just keep going but I end up going around them
Same here. I always look at the driver doing the middle lane hogging. There are only a couple of demographics.
Thick as well.@@adrianbrown1492
It's not considered undertaking of the flow of traffic is faster in the left lane
Stay in lane, you are allowed to do 70 in lane one and if that is the flow of that lane you don’t need to pull out and then back in. Undertaking is classed as when you are deliberately pulling inside to overtake.
A few years ago my wife and I were driving home after a meal at my parents at night as we left their village speed limit 30mph which I observed . A car was coming up behind me at speed and proceeded to tailgate me after driving under some street lights I could tell it was a police car. They continued to tailgate me through and out the village until I turned off that road on to a 60 mph speed limit. I accelerated up to 60mph and waited to see what they did, well they turned round and went back to the village.i believe they were trying to intimate me so I would speed up and break the limit and when I didn't they gave up. Trust in police now broken
I've had similar happen to me only worse really on a road going north from Bordon in Hampshire. A police car with blue lights on coming up to me fast and when I slowed down to stop he just fell back and didn't bother any more once I'd `surrendered'. Twice !! Over 10 years ago now but I think he just turned around and went back in the direction of Bordon.
Notice he sped off when he mentioned his "suspicions"...He knew what the next question was...."WHAT WERE YOUR SUSPICIONS, OFFICER?" ..To which he had no answer. No wonder young people feel alienated and intimidated by the police. He needs re-training. Well done Ashley. You were spot-on!
There was an answer, it had already been given. The suspicion that offences contrary to Motor Vehicles (Driving Licences) Regulations 1999 R16 and/or Road Traffic Act 1988 s87 were being committed.
Observation fail.
@@stevesmith7530 The officer is obliged to tell the driver why he stopped him...to tell him what his suspicions were. He didn't. It's not ok to glibly and arrogantly state " because I have the power".
Obligation fail 😉
@@typhoontim125 actually, no such obligation exists under Uk law. This is not America. Sectioned 163 of the road traffic act empowers any constable in uniform to pull over any vehicle for any reason. No suspicion is needed
@@stevesmith7530 mmm. Can you point out in the video where he exactly says "Motor Vehicles (Driving Licences) Regulations 1999 R16 and/or Road Traffic Act 1988 s87". No!!
@@arandombox5176 Which shows the power that the police have over the people of the UK. Their role is not to protect us.
Typical pulling over someone that’s driving great while others around them aren’t and probably don’t have insurance or a drivers license.
Something something, the easy way and all...
Fishing for something. Once they knew it wasn't a boy racer from their scan, they decided to find something else to have issues with. "Maybe they don't have a full license, no L plates, yeah that'll do."
Easy pickings and lazy policing.
@@Jmcinally94 The things is, they do not need to provide any reason and can pull you over without any suspicion or reason. The issue is Section 163 of the Road Traffic Act. If police had to provide a lawful reason for the stop there is no way this stop would have occurred.
Exactly you've hit it right on the head without realising, driving great is highly suspicious as well as two in a car daytime.
The copper saying "what do you mean?" was an obvious evasion. How can you not understand the question?!
It's because he didn't think the lie he would have to tell if pressed on the matter about the L plates. His logic was about to be; I ran your plates because I suspected you were a driving instructor, but I only suspected you were a driving instructor because I ran your plates. So he had to stop and think for a second before coming up with a lie, as he didn't want to admit the truth for running the plates - the colour and model of the car.
Easy, look at the number of commenters on here that do not understand what happened. :)
@@stephenjamespayne6131 Police - think! That's novel.
@@nicotoscani1707 If only there was time and resources to do that.
@@stephenjamespayne6131 A constable can carry out a pnc check on any vehicle without requiring a reason ; in fact ANPR systems in traffic cars do that automatically all the time and flag up offences without the constables needing to do anything . NIPs can then be generated based upon the video evidence .
My experience with the police has not been good.
My house was broken into, “It’s one of the hazards of having a house in the country”.
My Practice was broken into, “It’s one of the hazards of having a business in the city”.
My car had been sideswiped by an oncoming mini on the wrong side of the road. This tore my front wheel off. I had driven onto the grass verge, “There is no injury and no offence has been committed. We are not interested”. To which I replied, quite forcibly, That I thought that it was a requirement to drive on the left in the UK. The policeman’s companion was known to me and, on hearing my raised voice, came over and asked what had happened. He saved the situation!
I had a psychopathic partner who sabotaged a radiographic machine used by an associate. “It’s his machine as much as it is yours, so he can do that”
Regarding an abandoned vehicle; no tax or MOT on the road near my property which was reported several times. I rather forcibly brought it to the attention of the police. They attended. It turned out that it belonged to a criminal, so they had done nothing. I wonder If it had been mine what would have happened, and would action have been more swift.
Am I impressed by the police?
Poor you
The solution for you is at hand , when that constable comes to you for treatment , your first question to him , drill in your hand , will be " Is it safe ? " .
@@derekheeps1244 I have been retired for 18 years, but the idea is good!
The police look after us in the same way politicians represent us: in theory only.
That's a good analogy.
I'm a retired Driving Instructor and had a similar experience with the police. I was giving a newly qualified driver a Pass Plus lesson and had a 'DRIVER UNDER INSTRUCTION' magnetic sign on the rear of my car. A police car stopped us and the first words out of the officer's mouth was a sarcastic "Who's forgot to put the L plates on his car, then?" I replied that they were not needed, without telling him why, and then received a lecture about the use of L plates. After a few seconds it suddenly dawned on the officer that my pupil had a full licence. As in Ashley's experience the officer just accepted my pupil's word that she had a full licence. I think he was embarrassed. I always support the police but the officer's manner and sarcasm just instantly irritated me.
You always support them and yet your own experience with them shows them to be rude, arrogant and sarcastic
Really? Even in this climate of dystopia? Police doing as they wish. Deciding what is the law rather than upholding it? Wow.
@@secretivescorpio891 Yep. Police have lost all respect now because of being recorded, being uploaded, and they real truth of them coming out. There's a lot of police prosecutions happening.
I think you misinterpreted friendliness for sarcasm
@@secretivescorpio891 No, Hrodn's experience with that one particular officer doesn't show "THEM" to be rude, arrogant and sarcastic. It shows that ONE officer as being rude, arrogant and sarcastic. Doesn't mean the entire force is. Like all walks of life there are good and bad, a bit like the UA-cam comment section.
Saying "I've got the power to stop anyone and ask anything" just irks me, is that important here?
They all pretend to have more powers than they actually do, some coppers put on that uniform in the morning and think they're the sht...
@@Ignas0000 163 of the road traffic act.
I have massive amounts of respect and appreciation for the police and what they do. (At least in the Netherlands, where I live). It's just things like this that make me feel this individual officers' views on their job is different from mine. This one doesn't seem too bad though. Bit strange, but if all he's really doing is going on a (questionable) hunch and just making sure all is safe I don't see a big problem
He could have said it more politely, but it's an important power. Criminals don't put signage indicating they are criminals on the side of their cars. By allowing random stops, they might temporarily inconvenience someone who's done nothing wrong, but in some cases, they will catch someone doing something criminal or even correcting something that a driver might be aware of.
Giving the police officer the benefit of the doubt here, if there was a driver under instruction, but no L plates were shown this could be an offence, but also puts the Learner at additional risk as other drivers will be less alert of the car making unexpected maneuvers or taking longer to act at junctions.
@@dave1994jones yup.
If you want to think about it like this, you are essentially consenting to being asked for your documents by driving on the road. Searching the car is another matter, incidentally.
The copper was maybe playing "snooker". He'd already stopped a red car, followed by a yellow one...
That's very good👍
With the colour palette of modern cars that game must take weeks. Any wonder they're frustrated with this response from green :)
My brother was once pulled over in a bodykitted SW20 MR2 about 20 years ago, and the police said it matched the description of a stolen car in the area, as if anyone else in the area had anything even close to a similar looking car. They then accused him of having stolen wheels because he had Mitsubishi center caps on his wheels. My brother was only guilty of driving a car that the police wanted to stop and look at and waste time.
Thankfully never had any trouble like this in the Evo.
I wonder if he had advised his insurance company of the body kit modification?
@@andyxox4168 what a stupid comment
40 years ago my cousin drove an MK 1 Ford Escort and he was always changing things on it. He would often get pulled over by the local cops who just wanted to see what he'd done to it now...
At one time a Jag V12 up front with side pipes and Mustang rear axle.
My 65 plus year old wife was going to work in her car, early winter morning, fully dark, wet roads, drizzle, urban area. Usual time and route. On a poorly lit side road less than half a mile from our home edged by parked cars leaving only a single vehicle passage space without gaps to pull over a car came up behind her slowly but then started repeatedly flashing its full beam headlights/spotlights . Eventually a road edge space (single yellow lines not at that time in force) allowed her to move over, and the car accelerated hard, partially overtook, then stopped blocking her, when only then it became evident it was a marked police car. They (one male, one female) tried to get her to admit she'd "failed to stop", and she had to repeat several times asking them back why they had not identified themselves by using their "Blues" if they wanted her to stop, which they blanked. And, she pointed out, did they really expect a woman driving alone at night to stop for an unidentifiable vehicle blinding her rearward vision, tailgating, etc? After delaying her for over 15 minutes checking papers (which she had on her) they let her go, still bitching that "she should have stopped for a police car", and that they had stopped her because "her driving was suspicious" when she was driving fully within safe limits, neither crawling nor speeding, and there was NO way in the absence of proper signalling from them that she could tell it was police behind or a road rage or other attempted personal attack/theft. Weeks later 50 miles away our eldest grandson (at Uni) was as he parked outside his lodgings "attacked" by some extremely aggressive police emerging from two cars that slewed to a halt, slammed up against the car and forcibly searched, as was the car. He was accused of committing theft five miles away 30 minutes before. Eventually and reluctantly they could find nothing wrong and had to let him go. It was at that point we decided the police were not as they were, and lost all faith in their actions. Nothing since has changed our minds.
Good for her standing up to bullies!
“You’re driving a car on the road.” Great reason for pulling you in😂. And like you said, people get off with driving offences on the daily.
"Remember. Driving is a privilege. Not a right"😂
As I mentioned in another reply, the _reason_ was that the vehicle details came back that it was a driving school vehicle. The _problem_ is the terrible excuse making, when the real explanation is that on-board ANPR systems check out _all vehicles within camera range all of the time_ , so the police car came up behind a vehicle with no L plates that was supposedly a driving school vehicle according to the computer display. If the officer had not gone on about power and had _simply explained_ the discrepancy between what the ANPR system said (driving school vehicle) and what he saw at the lights in front of him (some apparently not driving school vehicle with two blokes in it), things would have gone better. I think that the officer initially suspected worse (e.g. some thieves who had nicked a driving school car; dodgy driving school; &c.), but had already deduced that it actually _was_ a driving lesson, especially when they pulled into a car park to do manoeuvres; and had concluded that everything was fine and was just checking up on the L plates and driving licence. (After all, driving schools do do things like motorway lessons for newly qualified drivers and suchlike.)
No wonder you can never get an officer to turn up when you call them if they're too busy checking cars for being on the road.
@@JdeBP Absolutely right. The officer did cover all those things but he never answered Ashley's perfectly reasonable question for some reason. All he asked was 'Why did you choose to check out my car?' Maybe the answer was 'I didn't, it displays automatically on this display in my car'. In which case I'm Sure Ashley would have been satisfied. I think Ashley was working on the old-school radio call to check the Police National Computer based on a suspicion. I haven't seen the inside of a police car for a very long time so I don't know what gadgets they've got in there either.
@@JdeBP That police car doesn't have ANPR, they will have conducted a manual check and then had a quick chat just to follow up. I'd imagine an explanation would've been forthcoming had Ashley not felt the need to immediately start asking questions.
I love the green colour! it's so much more interesting than boring shades of grey/silver. There's that graph which shows the decline in colour choices for cars over the years 😓
I kinda like that it means I can find my bright metallic blue car in a parking lot quite easily.
@@kiljaeden7663My bright orange Smart ForTwo is pretty easy to spot too
@@kiljaeden7663haha same here. Rising blue stands out like a sore thumb against the sea of misery that makes up cars now.
Unfortunately, my latest car (modified accessible VW Caddy) is black, so I've had to buy a small magnetic flagpole to put on the roof to find it at public events.🏁
@@MervynPartinThat's a great idea. Everyone should get one of those.
My sister was the victim of a hit and run a few months ago. She got the number plate and vehicle description before the guy sped off and she had a witness in the car. The police refused to investigate and the guy later lied about the hit and run and got away with it because there was no independent evidence.
I was hit by an uninsured driver who ran a red light on the wrong side of the road. Luckily some students near by saw it and videoed the driver and passenger running away from the scene. The Police turn up, say something about the car being flagged for criminal activity on their database, get a copy of the video and some witness statements. The next day I get a call saying they are closing the case as they don't have any leads to pursue. Useless, and next time those crims crash into someone it could be fatal.
All they needed to do was to take paint test from both cars and match the colours. There is the independent evidence!
had the same thing happen to me. I was stationary at traffic lights when a car, without braking, rear-ended me into the car in front. The car started to reverse, so I snapped a picture, and it drove away. It was caught on my front-facing dashcam, and the car can be seen driving away. The police said they can’t do anything, and even with proof, witnesses (including the car I shunted into), pictures, and dashcam footage, the offender denied it. The insurance company said I can’t prove it. My insurance had to pay out. I’m not sure what the police are for.
@@jacob1121Dismissing a case is less work than solving one. Few years ago I called the Police when I couldn't stand the smell of the weed coming in my Flat from the neighbours. Nobody cares When I had enough I moved out to more rural areas.
Dashcam was your best friend
Amazing. As a daily professional driver, I see appalling driving, and NEVER see them get pulled over. I also see bad police driving.
They have to spend time following law-abiding drivers who have done no wrong, so that they can then say they don't have time to investigate burglaries, or detain violent criminals, drug dealers or grooming gangs.
Takes them away from abducting young women!
I’ve had this twice when I had my Honda Civic type R. Both instances I was asked why and given ‘because I have the power to do so’. But the first time things were aggravated by the officer then insisting I take a breath test because they were clearly upset by my question. It was followed by ‘when was the last time you drank alcohol’ I replied ‘4 years ago’ and the officer took offence to this told me to stay in my car 3 response vehicles appeared as if by magic . I was treated like a criminal and they clearly took a hit to their ego when everything checked out. The 2nd time I literally just got the ‘because I can’ Devon and Cornwall’s finest
Just power tripping and getting high on wasting your time and their own, probably jealous that their pitiful police salary means they can't afford a Honda Civic type R. All cars have the power to break the speed limit easily now, 75hp is enough to get a car to do 100mph. I've thankfully never been pulled but they'd be disapointed because they would find nothing and would see from looking at my driving license that I'm not some pillock who doesn't know what they're doing since I can drive Buses and Lorries.
Yes, my mate got stopped just after leaving a pub car park "have you been drinking sir?" "Well yes, ive been to a darts match and had 4 pints" , "right i require you...etc", "you have blown zero, you said you had 4 pints", "yes officer 4 pints of oranfe a lemonade", "are you taking the piss? why didnt you say so?", "right firstly i answered the question you asked me and second you wouldnt have believed me and would have breathalysed me anyway", copper then said "i could do you for wasting police time!"
I had this in my 1st car a 2md hand 6 year old 1.4 seat Leon in silver with plain alloy wheels . Apparently I must've been a big time dealer to afford that £4000 car at 22 years old 😂
@@christophergallagher3845 I had a £9500 car at 19 years old, it was called doing lots of overtime for a year straight and short term HP deal car paid off at 21. My 1st car was a total shed though. Given the Use of ANPR if you're driving normally there should not be a reason to get pulled over.
@@gravemind6536 I was in 3rd year of my apprenticeship ticeship at 19 making about £120 a week un early 2000s . By the time I got to work and fed myself I had barely enough left to take driving lessons . I saved a few pounds a week un the credit union but wasn't until I got my time out at 20 I could save properly . I loved that first car more than any I've had lol it wasn't terrible it was clean and basic. Someone drove u to back of me it got written off after a year I was gutted lol8
This pisses me off. Absolutely no reason to pull you over.
I see people speeding, using mobiles phones, no seatbelts etc etc every single day and very little seems to get done about it.
Just because you don’t see it, doesn’t mean they won’t eventually be pulled.
Are you actively hunting to see if police officers are pulling people over for those offences? Cause more times then not, they do get caught eventually
Certain drivers are more trouble than others if stopped by police, hence reason they probably turn a blind eye and ignore them. All part of their diversity training I imagine.
Have you taken a moment to consider that during these officers duty, they may not have actually had anyone doing any of those things, well have you?
No reason is required .
I like the way you get more scouse when you were talking to the police
Thought that was what they got pulled over for: suspicion of talking outrageously scouse!
@@stevenrix7024 "We had suspicion you were driving whilst Scouse, our apologies..."
'Ey ey ey ey ey!!'
Was waiting for the "Calm down. Calm down"
@@headshot6959 Calm down! XD
Basically being a good driver automatically makes you suspicious
To be fair I always thinks its odd when I see a BMW or Audi doing 20 in a 20 zone its so out of charecter and the vast majority ignore them. But yeah people driving as if they're on a test is highly irregular.
@@gravemind6536 but then as the same time people whine when you drive like a maniac.
Well yeah, you obviously have something to hide 🤣
It is quite a sporty looking vehicle for a learner driver, I'd have been stoked to learn to drive in it for sure! Used to get pulled over a couple of times a week when I was 17 where I quickly learnt to be quiet and respectful! Good luck to your adi student, should all feel easier now after that experience!😀
I learnt to wear a suit and tie. They used to take one look and wave me off.
It's just the fashion police. Bright green car. Pink shirt. Seems completely reasonable to me.
That's 12 points and a ban for that hideous driving, blinding everyone with garish colours.
You make it sound like Constable Savage. Driving in a loud shirt in a built-up area during the hours of darkness!!!
🤣🤣
@@chrislaing7153 Good job he wasn't "a coloured gentleman" as well!🤣
@@chrislaing7153 Possession of an offensive shirt.
I flagged a police car down outside a nightclub because my car had been vandalised and thought they could use their torch to have a quick look for the HT lead that was likely chucked in the car park. The car had an exposed engine. It was was purchased a week before so was still registered 100 miles away. They questioned me and when I was a little cross saying if I stole it, why would I flag them down. They threatened me with a breath test even though they never saw me in the car. Not had a drink all night. Lost a little respect that day.
The cops only care about their wallets - if they can fine someone, then its easy cash for them
Typical po lice, 99% are like that.
I always remember finding a guy passed out in the middle of the street, seeing police a few yards away and getting their attention (while someone else attended to the guy) only to be treated as if I was wasting their time and doing something wrong.
While they were more interested in chatting up young women.
You're best off not getting involved with them. My missus spoke to a police officer in a car park once and he then questioned why we had umbrellas in the car (in England).
The police are not the AA.
The big problem is the police do not use these powers to keep law abiding citizens safe. They use these powers to harass law abiding citizens into the chance of nicking them for what ever they can come up with in my opinion.
I am speaking from the position as a retired police officer not just a law abiding citizen. Things need to change within the Police forces in the U.K. and the first things is actual structured education into the law plus an extensive training schedule for dealing with the public with respect when under pressure.
All I have seen over the years is factories producing coppers on an assembly line with the minimum amount of training and education to do their duties. This is a very dangerous thing to do in my opinion.
Out of curiousity, what are the requirements to become a police officer in the UK? Here in Norway, one of the requirements is a 3 year study at a Police Academy/University/College (not really sure which of those translations is the best) ending in a Bachelor's degree. And the requirements to be eligible for that degree are that you have to: 1)be a Norwegian Citizen, 2)have a clean record, 3)have general study skills from upper secondary school, 4)have at least grade 3 in written Norwegian, 5)pass physical tests and medical requirements, 6)have a class B driver's license for at least two years, 7)be found suitable for admission after assessment by the admissions committee.
Do police officers get off on arresting people? I suspect I might know the answer to this question.
I was once told my local police station had a league table for arrests.
Also speaking as a former police officer, leaving after injury on duty, I totally agree with you. The quality and professionalism of officers today is appalling. Supervisors are no longer experienced and standards of morality and discipline have been trashed.
The officer in this clip quite clearly has no awareness that his powers must be used fairly, proportionately and wisely.
@@AndrewAHayes'Credits'...
Points for nicks, that's all it is..
Funny how Ashley's Scouse accent becomes a lot more prominent when speaking to the police officer! 😄
Nice video and good examples of being calm and cooperating. Also like the driving to what you can see tip! Would love to get a lesson one day.
Evening Chris, thanks for tuning in. I think it would be really interesting for both of our driving styles to cross swords. Send me a message ashleynealbusiness@gmail.com and we'll try and put something together!
Police cut the corner too.
And stayed in the middle of the road too!!!! 😂
Ash should have offered him lessons
PC absolutely cut the corner, both wider and for longer than your car. Obviously had nothing better to do with taxpayers money, and probably needs more training himself! Well done for being so calm and collected during the confrontation 10/10.
A constable may drive on the offside when on duty .
@@derekheeps1244 And rape women?
"You obviously know what this video is about because of the thumbnail and title". You're a dying breed on UA-cam 😂
Mate of mine is in his 60s and got pulled over on his motorbike.
As the cop walked up my mate took his helmet off,
The cop took one look at him and said “Oh sorry mate, I didn’t realise you were an old boy I thought you were a youngster.. carry on” then got back in his police car and drove off.
My mate was left there thinking “OLD BOY ! 🤬… come back here and give me a ticket 😡”
I'd rather have a ticket than be called "old boy" also!!🤣🤣
haha, that's hilarious!
My dad in his mid 70s got pulled on his motorbike when he took helmet off the plod drove off.
Wow, that's impeccable policework
@@ryszardlorenc7047 so you're 90 now?
Thanks for posting this. The advice given at the end is spot on; never be afraid to ask the questions but remain respectful ... Not all police are very good at de-escalation, so we need to be (unfortunate state of affairs but it is what it is)
Might be the transition to the rear video camera at the 1:00 minute mark, when the police car is first highlighted, but I do not hear the indicator as the vehicle changes from the left lane to the right lane. I assume indication is required to change lanes in the UK. Maybe this is what the police officer noticed, if no indication was given?
Not a legal requirement in the UK unlike in the US or similar. It's only 'required' if there's other road users that would benefit, which with the nearest vehicle being that far behind, doesn't apply here. Also, if that was the case, there would be no reason to not say that when stopped. I think it would be a less negative interaction if they had said that instead of just 'I can pull over anyone I like'.
'Why did you stop us?'
'No indicator when changing lanes.'
'It's not needed when it doesn't pose a risk to anyone'
'We know, we're just using small things like that to choose people for random stops in this area.'
'OK, well we're all legal.'
'We see that, thank you, have a nice day. And good luck to you for your instructor's tests,'
See, much nicer. :)
Ashley, You've got the driver blurred but not at 5:30ish, just fyi
spotted that too
@@Z3DM4N13 Yes I commented on that too.
Came to comments section to see this 😂
Was just about to comment that too
Haha I just came to say that too!
I got 'pulled' once, on a motorway, at 3am. When I asked why, he said I wasn't going fast enough! Apart from myself and the cop car, the road was empty, and I'd been going at 55, as I was only going about two junctions along! More recently, on a dual carriageway, I got stopped. When I asked why, he asked what the speed limit on the road was, so I replied it was 40. No it isn't, said the cop, it's a 30 road! So I pointed at the sign about 50 yards in front, displaying a 40 repeater, and asked what it meant. Ah, he said, drive more carefully in future! and drove off in his Range Rover tank.
Where's that story of the police officer who ignored a no entry sign to chase down a bus, despite the sign having an "except buses" excemption, and on the note of buses, questioning someone as to why they were "loitering" only to have their attention drawn to the bus stop they were waiting at 😂
55 is far too slow for a motorway. You should be doing 60 at least, and under the conditions you stated, you should be doing 70.
@@fetchstixRHD
Going back many years on a late night I parked by the kerb, got out of my car and used a telephone box within a few steps of where I parked. When finished I was surprised to find an officer loitering outside who's first question was, why did you park here...I look at him like he was stupid and pointing at the phone box I replied, to use the phone. He did the usual looking for faults and found nothing. Utterly bizarre.
@@Djnffnoeosmfasjjd lorries do 55 all day long, what are you talking about?
@@Djnffnoeosmfasjjd 50 or lower is considered to slow, above 50-60 is optimal due to heavy goods vehicles, and 70 is the limit, not a target, Heavy goods are limited speeds varying from 52 - 56.
P.s. The hand gesture is, "that is that driving instructor bloke, that Ashley bloke, go on check it, I bet I am right"
“I bet we can get on UA-cam!”
@@stevenrix7024 not so much that, more that Ash has upset them or a friend, "he must be doing a lesson as there are two in the car, he hasn't got the L's on, let's have him!"
@@gareth14111984 Only needs the L-plates when supervising an unqualified driver, of course…
This is my exact suspicion! I think they knew exactly who it was before they stopped you.
@@catfrab One can go and find out about on-board ANPR systems and what they do in U.K. police cars. The system will have showed all of the details automatically. So, yes, they in fact _did_ know whose driving school it was. But what they _saw_ was something that _did not look like_ a driving school vehicle nor like a lesson in progress. That sort of mismatch between what the ANPR system says and what's visible to the naked eye is the very sort of red flag that gets followed up on. Ironically, it was when they turned into the car park to obviously do manoeuvres that the police officer figured out that it probably _was_ Ashley in the car, rather than (say) some pair of middle-aged thieves who had nicked Ashley's car.
Hi Ashley, just a perspective from the other side for you:
Most police cars do not have ANPR fitted but those that do perform a check on every vehicle that drives past. The officers in this clip were likely using their force issued mobile to replicate ANPR and checking random vehicles for having MOT, insurance, any stop markers etc. It may be completely random that they put your numberplate into the system to check and they were probably checking lots of other peoples number plates before yours. It may also be that your number plate ‘PA55 SOS’ interested them as that is a common wording found on driving school cars. When they performed the check they would have seen that it was registered to a driving school or had driving school insurance, and they will have seen 2 people in the front seats, 2 rear view mirrors and possibly the front passenger (you) using your hands in a manner which looks like an instructor trying to explain something. They see that there’s no L-Plates so to either confirm or disprove that there was a learner driver driving, they pulley you over to find out. Now I probably would have actually checked the licence to make sure that the driver wasn’t telling porkies but they clearly trusted you when they spoke to you. If you had been driving without the L-Plates and had a provisional in the car, it most likely would have been a reminder to put the L-plates on and that would be the end of it, unless you get an officer with less compassion, then the driver would be looking at getting reported for driving otherwise than in accordance with a licence and you for allowing the same offence.
Regarding the times where you see the police seemingly ignore the issues, you have to imagine that the police are normally always tied up with a job and could have a prisoner in the back of the car or van, it could be a non-response driver (who are not allowed to pull people over or use blue lights and there is currently a near 2 year wait for driving courses so if an officer has been in less than that, then they are likely to not be able to pull people over.) They could be responding to an emergency (but again not a response driver) or a grade 2 incident (which doesn’t need blue lights and sirens but must be attended ASAP). There are many other reasons that police will decide not to pull someone over, too many to list, but I know that officers love pulling people over so if they could, or whatever they were doing was less important/urgent I am sure that they would.
People always seem to assume that the police target them unfairly, but at the end of the day that is their job, to act on suspicions and investigate to see if everything is all in order or if further action is needed. I can understand that you may find it annoying but there is no other way for a police officer to find out who is driving other than pulling the car over.
Thanks for your measured response Thomas. I hope that any Police Officers reading this also quickly realise the driving lessons do not have to be conducted with just provisional licence holders. It's quite interesting you use the word suspicions just as the police officer in the clip did. Even if the officer following did work out that by my mannerisms I was teaching, it's quite easy to pick up in the mirrors an approximate age of the driver. If you combine this with how John was driving would this have raised the alarm bells for you?
@@ashley_neal I am an officer myself and we are taught to be ‘professionally curious’ and we have to be as part of our job, suspicion always comes down to the individual and is normally formed naturally without trying, and it's important to note that ‘suspicion' in law is a lot lesser than ‘belief’, and in this case, the officer suspected that there may be a driving lesson going on (which was correct) and that meant that there was a chance the driver was a provisional. I would hope that all officers do know that full licence holders can have lessons too, but more than likely on a driving lesson, it will be a provisional licence holder. I don’t think the manner of John’s driving played any part in the officers’ decisions here, and they don’t need to, and just because someone is older they are not necessarily a full licence holder.
I would love to see a video of you doing a ride along with a traffic unit so that you can share a little bit with your audience how the police work and you can even give the police driver some cheeky tips along the way, I’d love a shift out with you but unfortunately I am a bit far away down in Oxfordshire (and we would never have the resources here for it to happen anyway as I am a response officer) 😃
That's all fine. What irked me about the stop on this video was that the officer was either not being entirely honest or had not thought through all of the potential scenarios that could be involved. "Because I have the power to do X" is *NEVER* an acceptable answer to the question "Why did you do X?" IMV any warrant-carrying officer (police, border force, HSE, whoever) who goes down that route should be summarily dismissed. You - the officer - must have a reason for doing anything that inconveniences a member of the public, and you must have confidence in your decision-making so that you can explain honestly why you took the decision you did. You might make a mistake - that's fine. What isn't fine is to pull rank to cover it up.
@@ashley_neal "suspicions" is not necessarily a negative word - you can either suspect something to be true, or believe it to be true. It is just a word used a lot in police jargon but suspicion and suspect does not necessarily mean they suspect something bad is happening.
Seems like a lot of excuses for profiling. Police are supposed to police and not harass.
I got pulled over by a cop on Christmas day once whilst I was on a motorcycle. I suspect he might have just done it because he was bored and there was not much traffic about because I was riding perfectly safely, not speeding and just happened to pass him as he was parked up on a side road. The cop asked me if I'd had a drink and slightly to his surprise, I said: 'yes, I've had half a can of cheap two percent lager at a friend's house about twenty minutes ago whilst I was dropping off some presents for his kids, so I know that drink is not enough to either affect my ability, nor would it put me over the limit. You can test me if you like, I know it won't come back positive'.
Sure enough he breath tested me and sure enough the test came up negative, as I knew it would, because I would not have been riding if that drink could have in any way made riding my motorbike dangerous.
Because the cop was pissed off about that test not coming up positive, he then started going over my motorcycle looking for faults to try to find something to do me on. Whilst he was doing that, I said: 'You can see that it's a G reg right? (that was the new registration at that time). So good luck trying to find a fault, it's less than two months old, it is taxed, I have a licence and being new, as you know the bike won't actually need an MOT for over two and a half years anyway. Besides which, since I've literally only just bought it from new, if there was anything wrong with it I'd have taken it back and had it fixed for free, wouldn't I?
He ignored all that and carried on looking at literally everything on my gleaming new and obviously perfectly serviceable motorcycle for quite a long time, just to hold me up, but in the end he had to let me go because I'd done nothing wrong and there was nothing wrong with my vehicle.
Sometimes they pull you just because they can. It's not always a bad thing of course as sometimes they might get lucky, but for many of them, it's nothing more than the unnecessary power trip of a sad little man or woman. And that's unfortunate for all the cops out there who are decent, diligent and who do a great job, and fortunately for us, there are many of them like that. But unfortunately, those who are decent end up getting tarred by the same brush of the few who are not up to snuff, even when they are themselves great officers, so I hope everyone remembers that if you come across one who is a bit of a dick, it doesn't mean all cops are undeserving of respect.
I have been pulled over 4 times by the police. Each and every time has been "we are just checking everything is all in line". All 4 times I did nothing wrong and was driving sensibly.
I get that random checks sometimes catch people out for driving without insurance, drink driving, etc. but it doesn't seem very efficient use of their time to be pulling people over just because they want to run a check with no prior suspicion or reason. Like you have noticed, I often see people driving horribly around the police and them not being pulled over for it.
Don't get me wrong, I don't have any personal issues with the spending a few minutes talking to the police at a police stop as I know I have nothing to hide, it's just the feeling of it being a big waste of their time talking to me.
I think the check was most likely based on the color and make of the car. However the pulling over was not a waste of time. I think they saw him instructing, after learning this car was used by a driving instructor, they just wanted to check if he forgot his L-Plates. They did not even check documentation and just believed them. Maybe I am naive, but it seemed that was just out of courtesy then anything else.
@@ronrolfsen3977 Yeah I don't think Ashely has any issues with the reason for it. More just the stereotyping of his vehicle. I wonder if the PASS SOS plate he has on the car had anything to do with the police identifying it as a learner car
@@SurgeDashcamhonestly it's pretty easy to tell when a car is being used for driver learning, always someone in the passenger seat pointing hands at directions and stuff and car model + plates can also kind of give it away and the way the person drives
Police pulled me over in the 1990s. They gave the reason that my vehicle could be regarded as imitating a police car. It was a red Austin Mini with rally stickers. I do not joke.
😆 nothing's improved since then, then?
@2:19 Passing the 20mph when flashing partially hiding by the tree, did the speed of the vehicle reduce to 20mph? Possible reason. However can check any car at any time. Response cars dont have ANPR so checks will have to be done manually.
I had the exact thing happen to me whilst driving a New bright green CHR. I thought at the time it was because of the colour and I could of been "stereo typed". Watching this video as probably confirmed this. Thank you.
It's not easy being green.
A bright green focus being driven carefully is clearly suspect. Drive it like you stole it and they would have left you alone 😊
an old mate used to get pulled all the time in his old Civic Type R for no reason, unfortunately some cars seem to be magnets for frivolous stops.
It can be subconscious on the officers part. It's like when people see an Audi the automatically think twat......
@@timballam3675it definitely can be, it's part of why bias awareness training is important in roles like these
@@JustAlex848 neight neigh thrice neigh
There's a reason for stereotypes though. Lots of "sporty" cars get driven by young people who drive them dangerously, so police get a bit fixated on those types of cars at times.
And if yours happens to look exactly like the one they pulled up last week being driven by a suspended driver, then you'll get pulled for a quick license check every day for a week because they think you're suspended.... I know... I've had that happen, and it wasn't even a sporty car. Just the same model, year and colour, and not a particularly common model in town.
There's a reason I migrated to fast Volvos, the police leave you alone when they think you're a boring geography teacher. The one time I did get pulled over for speeding (over 90 in a 60 zone) I got a warning, they probably found it amusing seeing a beige Volvo S80 with over 300 bhp floor it.
Completely agree with you there Ashely. Just drove to/from Leeds from up here north of Newcastle and the level of some people's driving ability is terrible, not using roundabouts correctly, no indication of roundabouts.
And then yesterday a car making a left turn onto a slip road, came to a complete stop in order to let a car in the central reservation to turn in, meaning myself and 4-5 other cars behind all had to quickly come to a stop.
It's an injustice when you get things like this to happen, but it is what it is sadly.
Meanwhile, the number of uninsured drivers is still up. Madness.
The only thing was that after the left turn, the student changed to the right hand lane but I didn't hear the indicator turn on. However, I doubt that had anything to do with the stop. Either it was automatically check by ANPR or they profiled your car.
4:50 -ish: as they always say, if you find yourself having to say "i have the legal right/authority to say/do this" you've probably just conceded that you're in the wrong / have no other justification
My late wife was a police officer. When we discussed this sort of thing (it's been happening a long time) she said that, police officers sometimes stop a fancy car in the hope that an offence has been committed. Then the officers get to drive the car. So that's confirmation of your suspicion from the horse's mouth.
Can't see how that's possible since in all instances if the car was not going to leave with the owner then it would be on the back of a recovery vehicle.
Should it be stopped on say a motorway slipway and the driver panics and doesn't follow the road to a suitable spot and dumps it then it is possible the police would get a few hundred yards of driving but that's hardly worth it, and a very rare occurrence.
I worked for the police back in the mid- 2000s and never heard this. Plus I don't think Ashley's car is remotely exciting - it's hardly a Maserati.
@@BunFight happens all the time i work at a impound garage and they drive them in daily 👍we even had the local chief of police borrow a druf dealers bentley for the weekend years back lol
Makes no sense. Only time a officer would sit in the drivers seat would be if the car is in a dangerous position. Otherwise a tow truck
Lies . You weren't even married were you?
Wearing a bright pink shirt in a bright green car must be some sort of offence...
Yes it is, they don't call them the fashion po lice for nothing.
Just for the record, because it's being worn by a bloke, it's "Salmon" not pink😋
@@patmatten I'm a bloke and I wear pink.
The state of road policing in the UK is absolutely shambolic.
Multiple times now both friends and I have been pulled and plate checked, with the policeman then opening with "You've done nothing wrong...".
Meanwhile, I regularly see people checking their phones and texting whilst driving along the dual carriageway through my town, cutting corners and exits at every junction and roundabout and speeding at least 10mph over the limit. Not a single time have I seen police stop them for it.
I have no issue with justified stops, but it seems like the power to stop anyone is just being abused to push up numbers whilst they never bother to stop actual offences.
I have only ever been pulled over once, for driving 35 in a 40mph zone... I was driving slowly as there were cars everywhere on the road and many blind corners.
Police officer clearly thought he was being generous only giving me a warning and got annoyed when I told him I wasn't even breaking any laws.
I was always told "it's a limit not a target"
Well done for making your point clear without unnecessary confrontation.
I got stopped driving through Welshpool at 3am (a brilliant time of night for making good progress). Plod was parked up and I saw him ages before I passed him because of the blue reflective tape, but they still felt the need to pull me over. It was all very polite but they made assumptions about where I was going, my nationality, and when they had nothing, told me I should stick to 30 mph in future. I'd been doing 30 because I'd seen them. That was the day I realised that it was my word against theirs, and no-one would take mine. That sort of thing happened a lot in Wales. I think most coppers are decent sorts but lying just once can create a mountain of distrust.
Every time a cop does something like this a complaint needs to be made, so it goes on their file that they're an unreliable witness
I got beckoned over by a policeman with a radar gun once. It was just inside a 30 zone as it came from a 60 zone. I had pulled out of a side road so I wasn't going that fast, but maybe a tad over 30. He asked how fast I was going. I replied 30---ish! He showed me the back of the gun...it said 56mph! I laughed and said I might have been going a smidgeon over 30 but certainly not that fast! He also smiled and said yes, he could see I wasn't, it had probably picked up the cars coming over the hill behind, still in the 60 zone, and he let me on my way.
Mind you, I was once pulled over on a motorway and the policeman smiled and said I should stick to 85 in future! :-)
They don’t get the ACAB tagline for nothing
Dashcam with the speed registered can be an asset.
@@BigPaul3122 I barely had a speedo in them days. Throw a log out the window and count the knots in the string as it bounces down the road.
Its scary how bad the driving standards are becoming, I chose not to drive on the pavement, as a result, I had a lot of abuse hailed towards me, I am constantly being tailgated, and the excuse I see on social media is, I am not doing the speed limit, I do the limit, I always make sure my limiter is on and that is the issue, 90% of people want to go over the limit. I constantly see people on mobiles phones
Have you checked your car speedometer vs GPS speed though? Some are incredibly wrong. That can make you think you're "going the limit" but you're actually significantly slower.
We had some construction going on and the road limits was lower significantly for a while. I had people being angry at me for driving the new speed limits. Flashing lights and honking horns. Weird part is, that they could overtake me. However at that road it would be illegal. It just feel arbitrary the rules people seems to accept they should and should not follow.
Also had plenty of people being annoyed when I do not want to undertake a car. Had people be angry at me for not doing that. But I always leave room for people to go Infront of me and undertake that car. A lot of people do not even look for that solution. They just want to be angry.
@@tin2001very true.
My speedometer is about 5% optimistic. Rises to 10% at slower speeds.
I can tell who is going by their speedometer on the motorway as I creep past them at a 3mph speed difference, while doing 70 as per my GPS. 😂
@@tin2001 I've been stuck behind drivers, often in a convoy of many other vehicles, where the driver has been sticking to 5-10mph below the speed limit. You can just feel the blood boiling of all the drivers in the convoy while the slow driver carries on seemingly oblivious to what's going on behind; or are they just being stubborn and take pleasure in creating a queue?
It doesn't help that a lot of speed limits these days are unnecessarily low (dual carriageways with 20mph limits FFS!), so many drivers treat them with the contempt they deserve, while others rather not risk getting done for speeding to try and stick to well within them. So you end up with a bipolar distribution of speeds on the road, one peak just below the speed limit, and another around the what the speed limit should be (and probably used to be) for the road. It can't do much for safety or drivers' moods having this disparity.
I used to drive a van for work. It was a fleet so we didn't have vans dedicated for each driver, and some of the people driving were frankly not fit to drive (they were often driving as they were taking equipment to a site they were working on, while I was purely driving to delivery equipment to other people) so some of the vans were more dent than van tbh. It was very fun driving those vans sensibly and people hurling abuse (if they wished to), because I could sit high up with the doors locked and look at the aggressive nutcases who would then take a look at the state of the van and assume that another dent would go unnoticed if I wished to do something stupid 😂
Perfect?…I defo wouldn’t have pulled out at 1:00 when another car in outside lane and he is merging as what if car moves left at same time. Take that out by waiting 1 more second. That’s why this hesitation thing is bs in uk driving. I’d sooner save my car than someone else rubbish driving. I’d add I’ve never had any accidents for 31 years driving.
That is what worries me, at:29 he claims the driver is a driving instructor........THAT is worrying
I noted In your video we can hear the indicator on when he was preparing to turn through intersections and on most occasions as required. However when he pulled out as you said in front of the Police Officer and proceeded down the left hand lane (Time 0.56 - 0.58) and then later down the road he moved to the right hand lane without indicating (Time 1.00 - 1.05). Or if he did it was not heard in your video from multiple angles as was normally heard on other occasions, he then later indicated (as heard on video at Time 1.13) to turn right at the upcoming intersection.
I had wondered at first if this was the instance that they began to check your vehicle on suspicion and or general rego check.
I got stopped by die Politzei somewhere in Bavaria, many years ago. I was impressed with how small German radar guns were compared to UK, until I realized that was no radar!
What? They pointed actual guns?
@@MiGujack3 That was back in the day when if you pointed a camera at a DDR (East German) guard when you were on a West Berlin viewpoint at the wall, they responded by lining up their rifles. Crossing the border was also scary. A siren went off just as I passed the DDR checkpoint and the barriers came down and AK-47s appeared everywhere. The good old days were anything but!
@@donmacdon Oh, it was that long ago. I'm not surprised then, quite the hotspot that was.
I have a hypothesis; those driving carefully, following the rules, are either a learner or somebody trying not to draw attention to themselves because they know they shouldn't be driving.
A few months ago my late mum and I stopped at Clacket Lane services on the M25 for a short break. I reversed into a parking bay, back to back with a BMW 3 series estate police car that was parked in the next row. The officer was standing by his patrol car taking a break himself. As I got out of my car, the officer had seen the various Canadian flags on my car (they're hard to miss)...and then preceded to ask me about Canada, including which country I thought was best, Canada or the UK! I sense he wanted to Immigrate but I simply told him each country has it's pros and cons. 🇬🇧 🇨🇦
This is just one of so many lovely memories of travelling with my very dear mum who very sadly passed away on July 3rd after falling down the stairs at home on April 29th. Although she fractured her wrist, it wasn't till June 26th that a ct scan revealed brain bleeds. Please stay safe everyone.
The RCMP are running a campaign to recruit British police to emigrate and work over there.
I'm so sorry to hear about your mum, I lost mine back in December from terminal cancer so I know just how hard it is
@@guyj3025 Oh I didn't know that. Are you in Canada? The fact that you wrote RCMP strongly suggests to me you are also Canadian. I'm dual Brit Canadian and my other home is Vancouver BC. 🇨🇦
@@sgkingly8392 Oh I'm so very sorry indeed at your loss. Especially in December what with Christmas and New Year's.
As many on this channel will know, my mum and I were incredibly close. She was 88 and in extremely good health. It was a stair fall at home in the middle of the night on April 29th and subsequent discovery via CT scan on June 26th of two brain bleeds that ultimately resulted in her passing away on July 3rd. So totally unexpected.
I truly wish you and your family all the best under these challenging circumstances.
@@ibs5080I am sorry for your loss. I know from seeing your many comments on this channel how close you were to your mum and losing her, you must be bereft.
I hope that time will heal your wounds and you look back on your memories fondly for years to come.
At 4:29 he claims he is teaching a driving instructor... From the comments on. the driving, that is worrying if the driver is an instructor and making that many errors
6:29 - I drove through there for the first time in months yesterday and noticed that there's now what looks like a yellow box camera (correct me if wrong). Some people will see it as a money making machine but ultimately the yellow box is there for a reason and is well covered on driving lessons and in the highway code. There's no excuse to be blocking a yellow box. Interestingly enough, I wonder if you know how these yellow box cameras work for vehicles who are turning right?
I'm not sure they come across too many Focus RS as a learning vehicle. I'd say that is a bit odd, so maybe they check when something is "different" from the norm. But I wonder why they didn't tell you that: "Look, an RS is a very uncommon vehicle for driving schools, so we checked everything was in order". That's it...
They couldn't have known it was a driving school car unless they ran check on Ashley's car beforehand which is the point, why did they run checks if they did nothing wrong? They could have maybe known Ashley from his videos and then thought he was teaching without an L plate, but that wouldn't line up with your theory as they'd know he does in fact use an ST as a driving school car from the get go.
@@SurgeDashcam Ah, yes, you're right, I thought they knew it was a driving school before checking, but probably at that point everything related to the driving schools (signs, L plates, etc.) was removed... In that case, I can bet they normally check cars that could be potentially stolen, like RSs instead of the 1.0 petrol, but again, why didn't they say so? Normally high-end versions/trims are stolen more, so I can appreciate they make an effort to check...
Maybe the number plate of PA55 SOS gave it away, if one of the other comments is to be heeded!
It’s an ST not RS
In fairness, I was once stopped by the police while driving my Morris 1100 impeccably. The reason given was that there had been a spate of similar cars being stolen, and my car had a registration plate from the other end of the country. I didn't mind, as if my car had been stolen, itmight have been recovered that way.
This is how serial killers get caught haha. Proactive policing is essential.
@@BennyHarveyBigMan There's a right and wrong way to be proactive. If Land Rovers or Mercedes are being targeted by thieves, then yes, pull them over more often to ensure those driving around the area are all legal. If you're pulling a car over for driving very 'by the book', run a check that shows it's an instructor's car 2 up (although I think Ashley might have a personal plate with 'PASS' on it or similar, so you don't even need an ANPR system to join those dots) with a positively gesticulating passenger, then pull it over with the response 'because I can' to the question 'why did you stop us', not so much. I think Ashley would have been a lot happier if they just answered 'Focus ST is a car common with some criminals in the area' or similar, providing that was the reason they stopped him.
A Focus ST being driven in a 'dotted i and stroked t' sort of way when they are visible in a marked police car could suggest someone trying very hard to not get pulled over. Being 2 up with a passenger pointing where to go could be a drug deal type of situation, one party swings by and picks the other up in one area, they do their business on the move, then they direct to another place to be dropped off, but this falls apart if Ashley does have a personal 'PASS' plate and if they did the check on the plate to see it's an instructor's car so this is unlikely their motivation for continuing with the stop, and with how oblivious some officers seem to be (I don't think the one driving the Transit in Ashley's other clip of the car going over the pavement at the lights actually saw that car do it), I'm not sure the average officer would even be paying that much attention either.
If they're having a slow day, no particular make or type of vehicle is being specifically targeted, they should just choose a random number then when the 'n'th car pings the ANPR system, they pull it for a random stop check. Then if the driver asks why they've been stopped, it's because they rolled a dice and they won. :)
This shouldn't be needed though, as nowadays I'd expect police to be trained in a bit of psychology or something to determine potential criminals, but as the training doesn't seem to reinforce even more basic skills than that, getting officers to run a random number generator then count ANPR hits from that would probably give them the best chance of actually catching someone in that way. ('Ping' and 'hit' are probably the wrong words to use as that would suggest the ANPR system returns something by itself and notifies them, and so every 'ping' should be followed up on, but I think these systems still show the photos of each non-pinging car on a screen as well, so it's just the 'n'th of those).
Yeah, I probably cling to too much hope of functional services and competent people in the world.
@markwright3161 Being 2 up with the passenger pointing directions in a car with PA55 on the plate would definitely indicate it was being used to teach - all the more reason to stop it if it's not displaying the correct signage 🤷♂️
The Yorkshire ripper was caught due to a 'hunch' following a random traffic stop, psychological training didn't factor into that.
I was tailgated by a police officer in a marked car. I slowed down to let him pass. Instead of going on his way he pulled me up and asked why I was going so slowly. This was about midnight in St Helens with very little traffic.
In fairness this was the 3rd traffic stop over my 50 year driving career.
If he was within 2 seconds of you, you should have questioned why he was so close and driving in an unsafe manner
Police don't help when help is needed anymore but they're quick to pull cars over for doing nothing wrong, I broke down on the M25 near Heathrow in the early hours of last Monday morning, turned out I had no breakdown cover (Thought I did with my insurance) I was on the hard shoulder but after a long sweeping bend with poor visibility of approaching traffic, a Police car drove past (not on a call) I raised my hand to flag them down, they looked at me as they drove past but didn't stop and didn't return, I was there for 2 hours while struggling to find a recovery service that could help.... If you think you have breakdown cover but are not sure, double check! It gets real expensive if you don't. For those who are wondering.... My timing belt broke, it was changed 4 years ago and had less than 7000 miles on it.
My dad use to have black VW Golf R32 V6. Once or sometimes twice a day, He ALWAYS got pulled by the police as they were notorious for drug dealing or being stolen.
He was in his early 40's at the time, never been in trouble. He ended up getting rid of it.
05:40 - You forgot to blur the guy out here! 😬
Is this sarcasm
@@ChrisTheSparky No, he wasn't blurred but Ashley has now edited the video
No he hasn't @@Goodstegosaurus you can still see a few frames unblurred.
100% the colour & type of vehicle was why you got pulled.
I drive a hot hatch & got pulled the other night on the way home from work (around 12am) was followed for over 2 miles before the blues came on, PC asked for my license straight away which I replied why what have I done? She looked at me and gave out a big sigh as she assumed I was going to be difficult & obstructive, replied Look you have a nice car we are just checking to make sure it’s not stolen simple as that, No problem handed my DL over end of. I’d rather them just be honest & straight rather than making a load of BS up.
You: "The police is wrong assuming we're on a driving lesson without L plate"
Also you: "I'm gonna assume police pull me over cuz of the color of my car"
but what's wrong with that?, we know certain cars end up being driven by certain people, certain cars get stolen a Focus ST being one of them. they check seen it wasn't stolen and thought it might have just been worth a quick check as there was no L plates.
Really? Boy racers don't really drive the current gen cars so much. The mk1 and mk2, and some mk3's for sure. But the current ones are too expensive or too new for the yobbo in the estate to get one.
@@MrLense not with PCP now days.
you forgot to blur a part with Johns face 5:40 in the video
True...we all know John is learning to drive now. Just wait till I see him, he's gonna get some ribbing for that.
In my 40+ years of driving I've only ever had two interactions with traffic police. 1) Helped me change a tyre. 2) All-lane traffic stop using 3 police cars to extract me from a broken down vehicle on a motorway. So, no complaints from me.
Sounds like people who say the pedofile was always nice to me when they are 40 year olds and not children
That's the way it should be
I agree with you and i noticed the placement of the coppers car wasn't great with him being very close to the central white lines lot of the time, i can appreciate that with the state of our roads but the road there looked pretty good.
I genuinely feel like a decent proportion of our police have little to no clue what law's they're actually supposed to enforce on a day to day basis.
Ive seen red light jumpers, phone users, and lane hoggers all sitting in Police Vehicles or in front of police vehicles.
the amount of police who think they can't be filmed is astonishing too, not only can they be filmed but they SHOULD be filmed as it keeps everyone above board
Totally agree, that the police are inept and working with a diminishing pool of low hanging fruit. This comes from the top down, so needs root and branch reform!
I was in Oxford a few years ago on a night out with a couple of friends, we had the a Police van pull up next to us and several jumped out and started to question us as to what we up to. Obviously I said why? The Sgt got stroppy then and started mentioning Police powers etc. It turns out it was because we had spoken to a homeless person. At that point they asked for all our details, so we complied and gave our names and addresses. We were students so our address was a college. His next question was 'what are you studying?' I looked at my mate and we both started laughing. In unison we turned to the copper and said 'Law' At that point the conversation ended extremely quickly and they left. He knew he had no grounds under the Poilce and Criminal Evidence act or the other acts like the Road Traffic Act and the Misuse of Drugs act that give police powers to stop people.
@@johnmcgovern5372why not refuse to give your details then if you knew you could?
@@AI-Records24 Because I had nothing to hide and i knew where it was going.
Most police officers that you see are response officers. It is their job to respond to calls made by members of the public. If they are not using blue lights, they are more than likely travelling to a 'priority' grade incident which requires them to arrive within one hour of the call being made. If they see a traffic offence and choose not to stop the car, it is usually because, if they do, they will miss their target time for the job they are en route to. Or, the risk level for their assigned incident is higher than a traffic offence so this takes priority. Also, a surprisingly large number of police officers are not trained to use the blue lights, meaning they cannot pull cars over at all. Police response teams are chronically understaffed and it is extremley rare that they get any time to be proactive - demand is far too high for the poor staffing levels.
When they do get a chance to be proactive, they will stereotype choosing which cars to run checks on to make the most of their time. Sporty or expensive cars are more likely to be stolen so a quick check on the VRM is more likely to flag an issue. They can stop any car driving on a road for any reason, not just the three you listed. There was nothing wrong with the actions of the officers who stopped you, they had a quick and friendly chat with you which was enough for them to realise that everything was in order. They do not need to explain their rationale for the stop to you, but it was probably because it is a performance vehicle with instructor's insurance not displaying L plates. Obviously everything was correct and in order, but those officers didn't know that until they stopped to talk to you.
Some police officers are lazy, but the vast majority are not. I like your videos and understand it is frustrating to see traffic offences not being dealt with, but please don't jump to blame the individual officers. They are just normal people doing the best job they can with limited resources in a challenging environment, and are pressured to get to as many incidents on the log as possible by supervisors and their control room, often not having time for a meal break. Supervisors do not see traffic offences as a priority. If you want more traffic offences dealt with, staffing levels need to be higher to free up officers' time. Police forces are unlikely to dedicate limited resources to traffic ahead of things like domestic abuse or other serious violent or acquisitive crime.
"......A police officer must have a good reason for stopping and/or searching you and they are required to tell you what that reason is...."
this has all sorts of ramifications when you factor in human rights and discrimination laws, so no you're not entirely correct at all. it all starts from the initial suspicion so you better have your reason(s) watertight.
"because i have the power to do so" isn't satisfactory.
@@EricSmith-km1jbStopping a vehicle isn't the same as stopping a person.
@@AceVipER1 nice to see someone who actually knows what they're talking about 👍🏻
@@EricSmith-km1jb that quote has nothing at all to do with traffic stops
They don’t work without a meal break at all, and most of the jobs are like constant breaks anyway. They stand around 12 of them doing the “job” 1 person could do to waste more time then round to mcds drive thru then off to violate someone’s rights or take food off the table of a hardworking person.
Your racing looking Focus ST has magnetic charm for police. Through 7 years of polite driving BMW with few (previous owner) tunning touches, I met EVERY policeman on 30 miles diameter. :DDD
Love this. You are right in that the police are over-stepping their powers by assuming that a strangely coloured car and the lack of displaying “L” plates constituted to a a reasonable “pull” and not giving a reasonable answer as to why he stopped you
So, enlighten me, what make and model are you using in this video that would raise suspicions of the police?
A Ford Focus ST.
I think they may have recognised the car and wanted to catch you out. Hence the pointing.
About 20 years ago I was on an automatic lesson with a FLH who hadn't driven for 30 years. We had already done a few lessons, so while she was careful she was capable. We got pulled over. The policeman was all ready to give me a telling off in front of my pupil, instead my pupil ended up giving him a piece of her mind 😂.
I fully understood the reasoning as we weren't displaying L plates in a liveried vehicle, but it was clear from the way he initiated the interaction he wanted to catch me out. As he never asked if the pupil was a FLH, he instead led with you've got no L plates.
The hand gestures early on to me suggest the following:
These police officers are viewers of the channel, recognised the car and wanted to see if it was in fact Ashley Neal. They couldn’t see this as a result of the three right hand turns, so flashed blue lights to get a good look. They were having a bet as to whether it was you or not. The lack of Ashley Neal Driving School box on the top and other L-plates making it less obvious if it was you or not.
"its registered as a driving instructor car, thats clearly the instructed and that the pupil. There is no L plates (because they was on a advanced driving course) lets follow to confirm before pulling him over"
Agreed
@@AzguardMike You han'nt explained the need for the initial check!!!! Just boredom who can we hassle now.
Sounds like a prime example of power abuse. Bored cops pull over what they recognise to be a youtuber that they probably dislike due to him calling out police driving standards in the past. Disgrace to the force.
@@_Professor_OakHe's a disgrace because of a brief and polite interaction? What planet do you usually live on?
I had a Golf R for 4 years.....up until then i got pulled once in 15 years of driving. In the 4 years of owning the R i was pulled 7 times.
I've owned Audi S3s (pretty much the same car, different badge) for 7 years and not been pulled once (in those cars... Motorcycles are a different matter entirely 🤭). What are we to make of that..?
@@daveatkinson644you'd both be better off with the Skoda version?
@@daveatkinson644 I owned and S3 for 10 years and never got pulled either. Probably to do with the area you are in.
Did you nick it though?
@@jimbo4375 No, I just drive it like I have 🤣 Funnily enough, when I first got one, I was driving round an empty common near me, which is a 30 mph speed limit even though there are few risks around (not the point, I know, but...) and I just thought "I'm going to floor it 🙂" so I did, only to be almost instantly lit up by blues and twos, from the car that had turned onto the common behind me. I hadn't seen it was a police car, because I had cargo in the back. He obviously thought I _had_ seen him and was immediately doing a runner 🤣 Of course I pulled over immediately and was very sheepish. The copper who got out of the car was clearly very disappointed that the Starsky & Hutch chase he thought he was going to get was not to be🤣 He gave me a stern lecture and sent me packing. But it was a lesson to me not to be a **** (I'm _way_ old enough to know better 😒)
Good video, very informative. I wonder what the Blackbelt Barrister would make of it?
One of my favourite videos by Ash so far
I suspect that this police officer and probably many others might just be running random ANPR checks in situations like you had at the junction where you are all idling for a prolonged period of time. I'm sure a lot of the time nothing comes of it and you wouldn't even know the check has been carried out but every now and again they might catch out someone with no insurance, cloned plates etc. Obviously in this case he's noted that your vehicle is registered to a driving school, seen there's 2 of you in the front, that you have no L plates and made the (correct, to be fair) assumption that you're currently on a lesson without displaying those L plates - but this sort of random check won't account for the fact that your pupil is actually a license holder and is on ADI training so he pulled you to check it out, I imagine he might not have thought of that scenario!
No ANPR. Its a basic response team panda
@@JustBenshe meant with the control room, but failed to realise they just wanted to give a ticket out if it was a provisional driver.
I had the same thing during an advanced driving lesson once. The police stopped me saying you are obviously having a driving lesson. I don’t mind this at all as you say it’s nice to see them checking things they see when so much dangerous behaviour is going on out there. To be fair to the police I’m sure sometimes when you see them appear to ignore something going on they may be engaged in something else at the time that we cannot see.
I agree, it's good policing to check especially on high risk cars like the Focus ST which are stolen or used for dangerous driving quite a lot. He was able to see that it was a driving instructor car and then did a visual check of the driver & passenger confirming that it wasn't anything untoward.
@@faevilangel This exact type of policing is exactly why minorities despise police. He profiled the vehicle and then went out of his way to approach a member of the public who did not ask for help. This officer will approach someone having a bad day and now we've got unnecessary police resources being spent trying to prosecute someone for "swearing at me".
@@faevilangel Exactly this. When I was a bobby if it was quiet I'd often just check random car's plates and see if the driver matched the insurance details (had a lot of 1 named female driver, man driving the car situations).
I think the pulling over part was fair. I see a few people claiming it was a waste of time. They maybe should not have ran his car based on make and model, but that takes seconds. When they did that they learned this car was used by an instructor and they might have noticed he might be instructing someone. So they pulled him over just to check if he forgot his L-Plates. They did not even check documentations and what not and just believed them. I think that is more then fair for the cops to do. Whatever they should have ran his car in the first place is an other matter.
right? He didn't even ask for his license and just trusted them, totally fair play by the police
Yep on watching this I initially thought running the checks was poor but the comments suggest they can do it for any car whenever they like, so if they knew it was an instructor car with two people in it but no L plates, seems fair enough to check the driver. Should've explained it better though.
Completely agree - Not sure why ashley took umbrage with the police officer here.
It was entirely reasonable to pull over (what was very obviously a driving instructor's car with the reg PA55 SOS) after noticing that there was a possibility of a provisional licenced driver being at the wheel without L plates being displayed.
If the police are pro-active then they're tyrants who unfairly target innocent victims, but if they're reactive then they're accused of sitting round all day doing nothing and hoping to grab the low hanging fruit.
That was a S164 stop, which has nothing to do with manner of driving. This is made clear by the opening question being about the driver's licence status, and the following comment about L plates.
You don't know why? Well, firstly, they do not need a reason, secondly they have explained why. They suspected a moving traffic offence may be being committed, specifically a learner driver not displaying L plates (Motor Vehicles (Driving Licences) Regulations 1999 R16 and/or Road Traffic Act 1988 s87). If you have kept your old vanity plate, it would be easy to assume it was a driving school vehicle even without doing the computer checks.
Would that fact that statistically (this stat is few years out of date) these were one of the most stolen vehicles for a long time. In which case I would be quite happy they were checking them out especially if I owned one. Does this play into it? Genuine question.
"they don't need a reason why"
And for many people of, shall we say a certain shade, being stopped again and again for "no reason" feels like harassment and racism. But it ok because it's perfectly legal.
How exactly did they ascertain that the correct license was held? Or, on those kind of stops, is a criminal believed if they tell lies? Either back up your suspicion or don't make the stop. In between is pointless and unprofessional.
@@garyrowe58
You know what is professional? Being able to make a judgement call. Deal with the untruthful day in, day out and you get a good sense of when people are not being honest. Funnily enough, many of the people who complain on here about police, will tend to find full checks being done on them, because their attitude can be construed as covering for other things. A lesson for many there.
Look at the number of people complaining that this stop was a waste of time, imagine their ire if a full document check was done, or as is quite possible calling out a vehicle examiner to perform what would basically be an MOT in the car park.
Do that and there is even less time to catch the wrongdoers.
So, which? The full works on every stop, or only stop people who are obviously doing certain wrong?
@@stevesmith7530 a bit of an overreaction. How about just a showing of the license?
The police car had already decided it was worth investing time following them - why bug out without seeing it through, in a quick and painless way?
I'll be interested to know (following this incident) whether you get stopped more frequently whilst driving this car without the roof box, i.e. whether the police have 'marked your card'...
Easier than policing real crime!
I've only ever been pulled over once in my entire driving career since passing my test in 1978. It was around 1980 whilst driving my very dear late very mum's (she passed away on July 3rd) 1978 Mini Clubman, which incidentally is still here at home and I would never part with. She owned it since new. Anyhow it was late at night and I was a student at what was Portsmouth Polytechnic at the time, now Portsmouth University.
Although I knew there was a car behind me, because I had my mirror on night time dip, I had no idea at all it was a police car. First I knew as such was when this fully marked BMW 5 series police car overtook me, put on their blue lights and "Police Stop" sign on the boot lid. Two officers got out looking very purposeful, put on their police hats and came to talk to me and breathalysed me. All clean. And the reason they gave for stopping me? It was because I was driving strictly by the book and they felt this was unusual late at night on an empty road. They actually got suspicious that I was driving strictly by the book because I might have something to hide and didn't want to get pulled over! I then started talking to them about advanced driving and the police system of car control. Yes I was already interested in advanced driving even back then (though I still haven't taken the advanced test, which my late mum often encouraged me to do).Anyhow, they seemed to actually get quite bored with all my advanced driving talk, got back into their police 5 series and drove off.
I had a similar experience in 2000 when I was driving a black Ford focus hired car for a trip to England about 5 or 6am in the summer, so it was already fairly light, and I didn't think I needed my lights on. Unknown to me, the police car behind was flashing their lights, but I didn't notice the flashes since it was light. It was only when I approached a roundabout and looked in the mirror to check behind me before I signalled, when I noticed them. They pulled me over to give me a lecture about my lights and why did i not either put my lights on or stop for them, which I pointed out to them what I just typed. 🙄
Sorry to hear about your mums passing, it must be still very raw.
@@CraigNiel Hello Craig. Ibrahim in Canterbury here. Yes it's all so sudden and unexpected,which makes it all the more difficult to deal with. Thank You for your kind words.
Back in the late '70s, early '80s, my dad said to me that you could always spot those who were driving home from the pub having had one too many as they were the only cars that were sticking rigidly to the speed limit at that time of night!
I can’t imagine you boring anyone mate😅sorry about your mum hope you’re doing ok now, as well as can be expectedB
'I've got authority and I'm going to flex it' mentality.
I can beat that, I was pulled over by the police and his reason was in his words "his opinion is that my car is very distracting ?" I asked him what he meant and he said and I quote " you have green lights on the front and red lights all over the back?" so every light on the rear of my car were standard and I did have 2 green marker lights on the front. We then spent 30 minutes at the road side as he wanted to give me a ticket despite the fact I had quoted all the rules and regs on lighting and in the end he had to concede that I was correct which really boiled his piss! LOL
I love your videos Ashley. If I was a cop I would absolutely check out your car because of the type and colour of the car first! note, I have a similar coloured motorbike and love cars. There's a lot of ford fiesta STs that get stolen, along with other popular models (golf R, audi S, RS etc).
One bit of admin, there is an unblurred bit of in car footage during the clips around 05:40
Correction: I was mistaken down below and corrected by @davidocall.
Hey Ashley, not a copper myself but do know a few. One thing to note is that many police officers don't actually have the power to pull people over even in a marked car due to not having completed the full driving training yet. So even if they see someone committing a driving offence, they may not be able to do anything about it themselves. I feel like many people in the UK don't know this, and it does lead to an increase in frustration about nothing being done.
Hello mate, as an ex bobby I can confirm this isn't true and a shame Ash has liked the comment. A police officer that's allowed to drive a marked vehicle is allowed to stop anyone. They aren't, however, allowed to pursue if that vehicle fails to stop. Might be where the confusion is.
@@BennyHarveyBigMan Yeah if thats the case then my bad completely for misunderstanding, I'll edit in the comment to help explain.
@@jmantk6741 No worries, if anything it only adds to the frustration you spoke about because there is often no excuse. The clip Ash uses of the car going over the kerb is very unfair. To me it looks like a utility van, which often aren't allowed to conduct traffic stops and are carrying things like CSI equipment.
@@BennyHarveyBigMan Not in my force...separate qualification.
Honestly they said why they stopped you and it’s because the car came up as a driving instructor car, 2 people were in the car and looked like you was on a lesson, and you had no L plates on. They even immediately asked if the driver has a full uk license, because if he hadn’t then you’d be in trouble for not having the L plates on. It could be a targeted stop because of the car and colour, but I think the stop is somewhat justified
They shouldn't have checked the car background without suspicion in the first place.
At 1:32 your vehicle has already crossed the line at the lights with no guarantee of being able to complete the turn before the lights change. In Australia that's an offence. The driver in front has already turned the front wheels to negotiate entry into the street on the right. Where do you think that car will end up if someone accidentally ran into the back of it in that position? I was taught to keep the wheels straight until you're actually making the turn so you don't get pushed into oncoming traffic.
There is a filter light to the right of the green light, so they are guaranteed to be able to complete the turn even if there is oncoming traffic .
@@bluezedd The filter light is not on when the driver went over the line, and there was traffic coming the other way. If you know that the arrow sequence will come on before the general green goes off then you can claim you can get through, but anyone else wouldn't know.
Hi ash , another good video 👍It irks me when I see so much bad driving on our roads and a lot of the time by so called professional drivers?Yet the police seem to have time to approach people for no reason apart from what car they drive . Seen lots of bad driving in your videos , some with cops obviously witnessing bad driving and they seem to think it’s acceptable . Too busy maybe pursuing other things ? Anyway another good video 👌
There’s such an important difference between having the power to do something and then making a choice about what to do with that power. This is the sort of thing that erodes trust in the police.