“We will strike. Without warning, and without mercy. Fighting as one hand, one heart, one soul. We will *shatter* their dreams and haunt their nightmares, *drenching* our ancestors’ grave with their blood.”
Soo true, i wach the speech of Killzone 1 as well and the two speechess are great, even all these years later. Killzone was a universe really cool and dark at the same time, and the Helldivers collab was a good remainder that you can changue the setting but Helghast armour keep been cool as fuck in every game. And i have to say that i don´t give a fuck about pricing because tha is Killzone, and Hellghast. If they put the ISA diden´t gona buyit, they are boring, there tecnology is shit and at the end they real bad guys.
@@adamconrad542 The Helghast are literally a fascist regime that fabricates fear and fosters irrationality as tools of sustaining a bitter, pointless conflict because of the egomania of one man and the contempt of an over privileged upper crust that manufactures consensus to fuel hateful thinking and propping up blind 'faith' in a 'glorious' future built on genocide.
01. yes.... from the AC-A, to the AC-B Systems. 02. well. except for that one last shot of Scolar (from where ever the heck he was hiding during that last line of his being done, before the KZ02 title shows at the very end finally).
Props to whoever designed the ships for these games. For a game from 2009 they really did their best to make their ships behave like the real thing, Flipping and burning like they do in the trailer is just awesome to see.
@@Cloudepica (I know currently at this time right now that is somewhat Christmas and all, etc resting holiday time. but): Long review short for now: you have no idea, man.... .... Lore-wise-speaking. (and even then, a-if not most (that some of us know/guessed/etc) of the UCN senate's more official UCA warships are Physically twice bigger than those of the majority of their less technologically advanced real life NATO-like only level ISA branches' below-dreadnought/battleship-levels 'cruiser' class warships.... which in turn are already bigger (at least seeing it through the 2358-2390s era ISA Alpha Centauri A-designed warships' anyways. I don't know about Altair's ISA branch's ISA fleet though. or those like Zeronus', or Arcturus'(?), Beta Hydri's(?), Sorin's, etc other UCN colonies') than the rebel helghan colony's 'military' (assault or cruiser class) warships. picture that. the breakaway colonies of the ICSA's own are very much still unknown meanwhile, etc etc).
That was the point of the game series IMHO. You didn't sympathize with Visari but you sympathized with the common helghast. It's why parts of Shadowfall explicitly show how the government treats its citizens on both sides of the wall.
@@noyes4656 Ah yes, how dare there be nuance in a game that has a faction more understandable and interesting than a literal caricature of the US. I guess it's why they gave up and decided making a bargain bin tomb raider "IN DA FUTUUURE" would sell more. Fucking cowards.
@@CaptainPilipinascause if you keep being stupid and arrogant you will keep getting hellghasts. Thats the simple law of cause and effect. Colonial empire unable to change its stripes will eventually lose its colonies.
@MrVlad12340 sadly this thing here is not coming back to my supposed reply to this one, from a Year ago. towards this user. not to any future comment, like yours for example. yet. (so this may be confusing, at wrong times like right now. all of a sudden out of nowhere).
@MrVlad12340 [EDIT]: back on my first reply with this one's comment chain, it WAS meant to continue with Something (and me (if I remembered correctly here?) not just quoting some lone ISA branch (specifically, obviously those back on Alpha Centauri A/Vekta), if not All of the UCN senate's ISA branches across the milky way galaxy). but no, it did not. this one did not much. quickly thought it was a dead, conversation, until someone else right now Today joined in on this comment chain here anyways....
truly. a bit. sometimes far better than the helghanites', yes? then there are the other ones, that are 'far more superior to that of ISA cruisers and helghan assault class cruisers.' - UCA military page. (of course, not vertically formed, like their ISA allies' warship design).
Except in the lore it's made clear Helgan was absolutely fucked over by Vetka. While it's not used to justify their actions, it's still made them far more understandable.
@@polca4love Or maybe learn the lore of Killzone before comparing a faction to the nazi's basen on their uniform? (only thing they have in common is color, lol)
"Would deny us peace and our rightful place in the universe." Once you learn all the history, this speech holds so much more weight. You see that the ISA are the real "bad guys" of Killzone. If you really want to know, the Templeton Institute channel did videos deep diving in the games history and lore. In short, the Helghast bought the rights to colonize Vekta, but as soon as it started to prosper, the ISA showed up and kicked the colonists to the neighboring trash planet of Helgan. They just want their home back and thats why in the last game the ISA admitted they screwed the Helgan and gave half of Vekta to them.
I didn't know the specific lore, but I was aware it was written as a moral grey area. It conveys the idea of the good people in the present suffering the sins of their past ancestors, while dealing with the evil people in the present who were wronged in the past. It's a complex moral issue people face in the real world. And it suited these games really well. I miss this era of linear shooters with an actual deep plot line.
@@sam23696 Thing is, it has nothing to do with that. The entire lore of the game is the idea it's trying to convey. You're not playing the good guys, you're basically lied to throughout the game, misdirected to see Helghast as this evil totalitarian regime that's bent on killing everyone. When in reality, you're the evil totalitarian regime that's fighting back against rightful owners of a world. There's no moral grey area, the only grey area is propaganda, how you view things. Id say the biggest takeaway from Killzone was don't judge a book by its cover. The Helghast have a very evil looking cover, but the pages of their book are just nothing but community, building, progression and unity. They went bad because the galaxy forced them to be bad, anyone would have done the same to get their home back.
@@lordrevan571 The reason I call it a moral grey area is the Helghast are doing horrible things as well. Terrorist attacks, nuking their own city. You say your side is a totalitarian regime, but they are as well. They wanted in pretty much every game to kill everyone on Vektra to reclaim it. That doesn't sound like the good guys to me. I understand you play the bad guys, but they are also bad. That's why it's not so black and white.
@@sam23696A lot of quotes from the Helghast mention that they don’t want to exterminate the people on Vektra, instead believe in giving the ultimatum: leave or die. Not too different, but does mean they don’t want genocide as an end, rather it is just a (very brutal) means to an end. They don’t care if the entire pop of Vektra move off-planet to somewhere else, their goal is simply the planet they have historical claims for. It is why often people compare them more to the extreme parts of the IRA or the post-WWI Freikorp politically rather than WWII Germany. Frankly if anyone is ever interested in the Killzone lore enough they should also look into post-WWI Germany, and the rise of both communist and ultranationalist factions made up of disenfranchised veterans vying for control over the half-puppet liberal government.
@@sam23696 (Long review short, a Lot of Disagreements there from me meanwhile): no, you don't have to. these ones are like a lost cause too much immediately. converse to at least someone blind sally-like, or 9GC-like, even cjacobs-like (heh), or red scot-like, even somewhat galm hd-like for example instead and not a Hig fan* like this one on the other hand. *or in other words: this here for example that just Wanted to argue and nothing more, no matter how Many story-based reminders, and even evidences that someone like you for example man, kept shoving at this one's (and many more Higs out there) face. [EDIT]: another one more in here. my bad. not just this guy who made this comment chain that you replied to just now from a few days ago in here recently.
2:16 "Even now, they advance on our homeworld to seize by force what they can not claim by right." Hit me right in the nationalist in me. Also, stop talking about politics in the replies, please and thank you in advance.
What i remember most about KZ2 is the banter. There was a mission where they had to blow up 4 towers in a complex. When you blow up 2, some says "Yo Serv what kind of person are you? would you say the complex is half blown up or half intact... maniacal chuckle" always cracks me up when I remember it.
@@ndyoutv (UCA/though mostly) ISA (Alpha Centauri A) branches' four-man fireteam Alpha, mainly led (Heh....) by Ricardo. yeah. them, yes? (and, hm....I think this kind of mission section is just long AFTER Tomas, Dante, and few other OP:A-led ISA soldiers (sadly those mentioned latter did not make it, at least this one ISA soldier didn't anyways, just before that said-mention of yours here about this one building's four pillars section or something) that were with those two main (UCN/ISA-affiliated) characters, destroyed this one stationary type helghan arc tower in a Visari Square just before being chased/gunned(!) down by a helghan ATAC drone, and just before sieging towards a Radec school location after crossing Salumun bridge. if I remembered correctly).
The old lady at the voting booths said Helghast is not a current political party to vote for. Lets just say shes being re educated with new insights into our cause…
Can’t remember the exact reason but pretty sure the ISA don’t have constant exposure like the Helghast do. They can go into their filtered air ships whenever iirc
I know I'm very late - but even the Helghast can breathe without the masks, they just continue to wear them as symbolism. So I assume the ISA were able to vaccinate their troops or give them some sort of inhalers in case they struggled to breathe.
@@battenburg6089 I suppose so considering that the ISA has highly advanced tech, which could allow them to breathe the toxic air, plus as you said, decades of Helgan terraforming would make the atmosphere far less toxic than it use to be,
@@jadeimingan184 post-self-Inflicted helghan terracide era Higs as Usual, always in Denial to this Day. even worst than 'new helghan''s (though Hera is confirmed to be in on it anyways, even if Jorhan was the one doing the heavy lifting of actually being in charge of those throwaways of his) black hand Terrorists problem for another example.
Actually, he's talking about Second Extrasolar War which it was started when Helghast invaded Vekta from the first game. But the whole conflict between ISA and Helghast, starting with First Extrasolar War, it was UCN, supported by ISA, started it.
@@devilpupbear09 (Shortly put for now): fairly not a lot of clearly, normal Human beings (Scolar knows this, in the midst of his half-Delusion still (it seems?), Jorhan very well knows this (until KZ04:SF kind of nerfed down his KZ03 era characterization), even it seems Orlock, some few etc more (that is not Justus, Gregor, etc anyways, heh)) among the bigger UCN and some smaller ICSA Space took the pre-irradiated Petrusite-powered era helghan colony, if not Alpha Centauri B itself, seriously as a military superpower. even if said-most infamous UCN(/All of Humankind that is 'Not of helghan')-hating colony is (inconveniently a bit sometimes for Earth authority's liking) positioned fairly close to the main Space Human empire capital star system just 4+ lightyears apart from each other and the most vital and Only accessible (remember that guys) Spacehub (Vekta especially/Alpha Centauri A) still right now for all of Mankind (including even those back on helghan, if they want to, just before the terracide anyways) to pass through back and forth between Sol and the rest of any other part of the galaxy (or killzone franchise's version of Humans' small part of the Orion arm section anyways). what did one think was going to happen, hrm? let us not forget that the helghan corp, over there movingly headquartered there now on Alpha Centauri B and especially A (just before their political arrogance on the monopolying of Space colony travel access and kept claiming the endeavors as their own credit alone, according to the rich families on Vekta and helghan, at the time, that pressured their and the rest of the helghan corporate-loyal majority of colonists' administration from not negotiably seeking to further cooperate alongside the rest of the supposedly fellow UCN senate members and fair shared interests just before the first extrasolar war broke out instead at the end of the UCN colonies-helghan corporation debate anyways) was still technically a member of the majority of the UCN by the way. [EDIT]: heh....I said basically only for now, but I reviewed back too long than when I first thought.
@@eddualmeida5790 (Shortly put): do you (helghan/and Hig-Supported), solely, have a more pre-irradiated Petrusite-powered era helghan 'empire'-specifically 'Bigger' stick than the Whole of the UCN colonies' UCA military? eddual. let alone the ICSA's- (actually, no, nevermind. the UCN senate doesn't see the outside organization as a threat anyways, still to this day in their 2390s era apparently. that just tells many of us again how very militarily primitive that isolated former-UCN friendly colony was (if they were to just speedrun it all directly against a single UCA warship rather than the ISA defended-only Vekta instead anyways), just before they beefed themselves up with stolen/reverse-engineered UCN funded, ISA (not the tip of UCA grade technology though, thankfully....somewhat) technologies (sadly, mostly from Vekta's/and anywhere else in the Alpha Centauri A star system? section of ISA military applications) next anyways).
Killzone was way ahead of its time in all categories graphics gameplay story immersion not hanging you with micro transactions either makes you miss the old days these are the games id like to see now a days
Honestly man, i think this game has the same graphics as gears of war 2...I mean watch the intro clip of gears 2 then watch this and you can see that the graphics are basically the same.
If Visari and Prescott were running for office ......dear God I'd die of pure amount of nationalism that'd spew from them before I even got to the voting office
@ oh. You typed it weird. Helldivers 2 released a couple helghast armor sets. In Helldivers 2, you fight a faction known as the automatons which is just a robot army
@@BayouBoy2443 I did not see not see you there properly. for 43+(!) Minutes passed. also: so. it is true. another helldivers universe and galaxy/franchise-based person that came into here due to certain recent news. (I thought you were referring to those like from the atomic heart game's instead for example (whatever those more sleeker humanoid-ish kind of robotic forms are called anyways. I did not had the time from back then to check some wiki still)). (well this should be easy enough). are those things somewhat Rampant fleets once under the command of the helldivers setting's own version of their main space Human empire? or entirely not of Humankind? alien in other words. these 'automatons' I mean.
As a kid, Isaw the ISA as America and thus the good guys, no question. Now as an adult seeing the war crimes America commits on a regular basis, I view this whole series differently.
It has a kind of Allies vs Axis vibe to it when you're younger and don't know any better, but when you actually consider the backstory, you realize this is not the case
[remembers that contradictory-said statue of his outside of helghan being tear down by just a bunch of ISA C4s easily before that certain ISA-VSA team and main character goes back home]
He's not lying tho all PS5 can do is cartoonish graphics and sometimes graphics are worse than the PS4 graphics this game looks way better than most PS5 graphics
@@ouroboros3705 abandoning their Precious Space tariffs and taxes monopolizing plans for the next 157+ Years (just before some Years 2340s+ ish something) or so of inactive pre-Visarian-led era helghan corporate-affiliated attempted galactic stranglehold, for a time anyways....
@@Top-G35 Hm. it is said in Real Life development, that the Higtator (pun intended) was inspired by, yeah Obviously him, Heh. and mostly the appearances like Benito and Joseph(?)* (or is Joseph Stalin the one mostly where Orlock got inspiration on instead?.... I can't exactly remember right now by this date). but kind of sadly (no offense. still though, I'm up for more Lore-wise details anyways back in-game. or some realism, in other words), no. that did not happen. probably 'just to make sure' for guerrilla games, yeah? and some 'copyrights' or whatever, etc reasons. (Hrm....if it were the case, maybe there would of have been Less helghan colony fans out there then due to the more, at least, 99% obviousness of that Na_ism being literally at Scolar Visari's face. and would not want much to be associated with such like that too out in the open I think?). also, yeah, heh. german. Fittingly (at least on any of the helghan colonists' dialogues anyways being automatically somewhat fitting now, yeah?). Real Life = netherlands/europe origin of the killzone franchise's. though Lore-wise = Scolar would Not even approve of that (a lot of reasons that I can't put in here currently, etc etc) since german is still that of a 'Human language' as they would've likely put it. Scolar and his Visarian-led era helghan 'empire' colony wanted something that would 'Distance themselves from the 'Vektans'' (All of Mankind anyways outside of helghan) anyways, both their post-helghan corporation era writing system and especially the tongue itself (which Gladly they only stuck at just the writing system and not had the time for some 'new' language instead, which Scolar now took the latter to his grave forever). [EDIT]: *someone else (red scot gaming), nevermind. there is some Joseph inspiration towards Scolar's. yeah, there. I kind of remembered now. 'Joseph 'Vis's'ari'onovich Stalin' = 'Scolar 'Visari''.
some Lore-wise reminder: UCN capital/capital star System/400-500+ (which may have included those from the ICSA's number of territories as well? according to that ISA Alpha Centauri A-based 'Vekta Today' news channel dialogue) UCN (both UCA and loosely ISA-protected) jurisdicted colonies vs one (very infamously well-known anyways) Anti-UCN colony world. one star System. vs. (lots of people relying Only on the Gameplay side of perspective alone....somewhat) Gameplay: 'helghan 'empire''.
to keep on being gunned down too quickly eventually anyways by the main Human Space empire (and their interplanetary strategic other half colonial neighbor) that surrounds those very Low numbered former UCN colonists. *yes.*
what is left of those helghanites' Anyways. still to this Day for those Unruly Rebel colonists' Self-inflicted Tantrums (from the last time that that that previous guerrilla games IP franchise's update of that verse's Timeline events thatsome of us have last checked/remembered anyways). Heh.
@@CaptainPilipinasand what it did for Earth? Or Vekta? In the end they lost millions and gained literally nothing from the war they could have easily avoided… Thats the whole point - helghasts had nothing to lose and Earth couldnt even exploit Helghan’s resources on its own.
@@MrVlad12340 '-and Earth-'. (Not just the Earth authorities). '-Earth couldn't even exploit Helghan's resources on its own.'. (Shortly put for now(?)): Er. no. native helghan planet Petrusite production (even if how strained....-looking) across UCN and ICSA(?) Space continues still, post-2360s era-speaking. ....as some of us still remembered and have seen (to some of us that still do give a flip in the details, etc anyways, 'Heh'. screw those halo franchise casuals (for example) and the majority of any mainstream stuff out there), -story speaking- and especially Lore-wise during KZ04:SF's time.
The first was saved for s planet huh! I remember the gafices was better on ps1 12 years ago! So Androids Bal afact down grades for simple level wars. The big bombs know more.clouds hold for fair manager if state! In humanity lol
(AU-speaking time) actually, shouldn't that be the ISA (russia) instead? rather than the very small ukraine land (helghan empire), coming from this quoting line of yours up top. (then again, helghan still belongs to the UCN(/ISA) wholly anyways, so. not too wrong there from that quote. heh).
@@Mahbu 01. frustratingly. once of convenient UCN, and even those from the ICSA colonies here and there, importance, now it is inconveniently for the majority of UCN and ICSA Humankind having to get by while those like the still present effects from the helghan terracide event is in the way of their activities for example. yeah. 02. er, no. the UCN colonies (especially) and the smaller ones from the ICSA-every of Humankind across the galaxy still trades, uses the mineral colony, etc. (it just so became a (very tempting) target practicable thing once a certain, post-helghan corp-only era leader of theirs came into the picture long before the narrative happenings of KZ01's, that a lot of people out there forget about the very unpopularly Human-friendly homey but very still resource-rich importance of helghan's sometimes. Not just bound for those back on the still post-WW3 era-inflicted Human-origin capital (especially) outside of the twin colonized Alpha Centauri star systems, but the majority of Humankind beyond the Vektan/helghan star systems, Lore-wise. 'this planet is....remarkable, the power generator for half the universe,-' (Exaggerations and developer mistake there aside. I'm assuming Evelyn meant that the whole of the UCN Earth and colonies'/ICSA members instead. that the main Space Human empire, and those among the ICSA territories, rellies on for (somewhat) FTL power, etc etc materials and energy) '-until Scolar turned it into a war machine....' - Evelyn. 'once they explorted it-' (Petrusite especially, 2129s+ 2202s-2220s+ 2340s) '-as power, now they Hoard it for 'war'....' - Evelyn).
And yet it’s still being mined for resources, and still houses the majority of the Helghast race. Even with their planet killed they refuse to give it up.
@@Enkarashaddam some is not wrong on that. for that right handed organization of the KZ universe's and galaxy's own version of a main Space Human empire's is literally described and compared kind of like that back in the ISA's wiki page. yes....and except, interstellarly bigger. compared to our still 'Terran-bounded era' NATO of Today's.
@@nlrobber well, no? the pre-UCN era and very Earth-bounded russia nation of Today is more in line like those Crazy helghan colonists' instead, no? (ukraine is not a NATO member (yet????), though still it looks like said-small nation may as well be in line with the UCN/ISA/(even those breakaway colonies of the ICSA) instead anyways, rather than the invading helghan faction).
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“We will strike. Without warning, and without mercy. Fighting as one hand, one heart, one soul. We will *shatter* their dreams and haunt their nightmares, *drenching* our ancestors’ grave with their blood.”
it is too bad....
that the Higs are just that Blind, to this Day.
Worser than their in-game Idols (Mostly Scolar to them especially), Tragically.
Goddamn, man.. the guy who wrote Visari’s speeches deserves a percentage from the ads on this video
If I was an I.S.A colonel I'd also switch sides
Plus the music score behind his words. Tragic, and Triumphant.
@@mimmain2673 like general Adams?
@@MrCouchmen Yep, I'd do anything to be an honorary Helghan
Also voiced by the great Brian Cox.
This deserves a remaster
the graphics still look good tbh
This game deserves to be redone with a Helghast campaign
@@zacharypurdue4584 being able to play as Echo was fun. Wish we got more of that.
On PC
To right.
It has serious potential and a loyal following as long as they don’t get political then yeh
All these years later, HELLDIVERS 2, has revived the spirit of Helghan.
We are so starved even a collab gets us to go back listen to our autarch's speeches all those years later!
@clementbianchini8651 My Duty To The Emperor, My Life For Helghan. 🗿
Soo true, i wach the speech of Killzone 1 as well and the two speechess are great, even all these years later. Killzone was a universe really cool and dark at the same time, and the Helldivers collab was a good remainder that you can changue the setting but Helghast armour keep been cool as fuck in every game. And i have to say that i don´t give a fuck about pricing because tha is Killzone, and Hellghast. If they put the ISA diden´t gona buyit, they are boring, there tecnology is shit and at the end they real bad guys.
I wished they gave them the proper voices
I miss killzone! I worked tirelessly to get the super credits on missions to get the whole set
Killzone is the only game that I feel like the bad guys have inspiring things and look more badass than any other game enemies
If only you knew... lmfao.
If he only knew the bad guys are actually the isa and the helghast were just reclaiming their home that was stolen from them
@@adamconrad542 Yep. Never forget, history is written by the victors, propaganda to justify atrocity.
@@seronys6601 love the quotes
@@adamconrad542
The Helghast are literally a fascist regime that fabricates fear and fosters irrationality as tools of sustaining a bitter, pointless conflict because of the egomania of one man and the contempt of an over privileged upper crust that manufactures consensus to fuel hateful thinking and propping up blind 'faith' in a 'glorious' future built on genocide.
anyone realized that there is no single camera cut throughout the cinematic? it is all just one continuous shot between two planets!
01. yes.... from the AC-A, to the AC-B Systems.
02. well. except for that one last shot of Scolar (from where ever the heck he was hiding during that last line of his being done, before the KZ02 title shows at the very end finally).
Brian Cox didn't have to go this hard. He did it for us
Agaemenmon
Man the OG killzone trilogy was amazing.
Mercenary as well.
Its so badass and well made , after Killzone 1 intro , the totaly caught the mood again .
hrm.
yes....Lore-wiss, for it all. this franchise's verse I mean.
“As we rise again” one of the coolest parts in gaming history
Props to whoever designed the ships for these games. For a game from 2009 they really did their best to make their ships behave like the real thing, Flipping and burning like they do in the trailer is just awesome to see.
@@Cloudepica (I know currently at this time right now that is somewhat Christmas and all, etc resting holiday time. but): Long review short for now: you have no idea, man....
....
Lore-wise-speaking.
(and even then, a-if not most (that some of us know/guessed/etc) of the UCN senate's more official UCA warships are Physically twice bigger than those of the majority of their less technologically advanced real life NATO-like only level ISA branches' below-dreadnought/battleship-levels 'cruiser' class warships....
which in turn are already bigger (at least seeing it through the 2358-2390s era ISA Alpha Centauri A-designed warships' anyways. I don't know about Altair's ISA branch's ISA fleet though. or those like Zeronus', or Arcturus'(?), Beta Hydri's(?), Sorin's, etc other UCN colonies') than the rebel helghan colony's 'military' (assault or cruiser class) warships. picture that.
the breakaway colonies of the ICSA's own are very much still unknown meanwhile, etc etc).
@@Cloudepica ('of Course').
'censor time!~!~!~!~' - youtube/etc ( I guess.
Sadly).
@@Cloudepica (they did it again.
heads up, man).
Whoever wrote the speech for this deserves an award and a job writing speeches for world leaders lol
We should be looking for him or her 👀👀
So much potential. Guerrilla absolutely killed with this game. I don't know why they just ended it.
The best theory as to why: they realized in total overloading horror that people sympathized with the Helghasts and wanted to play as them
That was the point of the game series IMHO. You didn't sympathize with Visari but you sympathized with the common helghast. It's why parts of Shadowfall explicitly show how the government treats its citizens on both sides of the wall.
@@noyes4656 Ah yes, how dare there be nuance in a game that has a faction more understandable and interesting than a literal caricature of the US.
I guess it's why they gave up and decided making a bargain bin tomb raider "IN DA FUTUUURE" would sell more. Fucking cowards.
@@RichardWilliams2015 Many may not sympathize with Visari but they can see why he was the chosen leader of the Helghast.
@@altechelghanforever9906 I am going to refer to Horizon as that from now on lol
Remaster please and re release!!
Just buy ps3 n this game
I can watch this a million times and still want to watch it again
Sadly, Not a Lot of proper Space battle scenarios there from guerrilla from back then....
behind you
This was the first game where I realised we were the bad guys.
'-/ISA: "so?...."'.
@@CaptainPilipinascause if you keep being stupid and arrogant you will keep getting hellghasts. Thats the simple law of cause and effect. Colonial empire unable to change its stripes will eventually lose its colonies.
@MrVlad12340 sadly this thing here is not coming back to my supposed reply to this one, from a Year ago.
towards this user. not to any future comment, like yours for example. yet.
(so this may be confusing, at wrong times like right now. all of a sudden out of nowhere).
@MrVlad12340 [EDIT]: back on my first reply with this one's comment chain, it WAS meant to continue with Something (and me (if I remembered correctly here?) not just quoting some lone ISA branch (specifically, obviously those back on Alpha Centauri A/Vekta), if not All of the UCN senate's ISA branches across the milky way galaxy).
but no, it did not. this one did not much.
quickly thought it was a dead, conversation, until someone else right now Today joined in on this comment chain here anyways....
@@CaptainPilipinas its ok bro, you are not alone.
I love the ISA ship design
truly. a bit.
sometimes far better than the helghanites', yes?
then there are the other ones, that are 'far more superior to that of ISA cruisers and helghan assault class cruisers.' - UCA military page.
(of course, not vertically formed, like their ISA allies' warship design).
Dear developers. Stop making the badguys more sympathetic and cooler.
Glory for Helgan!
"bad guys" are just optics. Fighting for your people, kin, freedom, and against evil is the anti-thesis of bad.
Except in the lore it's made clear Helgan was absolutely fucked over by Vetka. While it's not used to justify their actions, it's still made them far more understandable.
Dear people, stop making excuses in your head to cheer for the nazis.
@@polca4love Or maybe learn the lore of Killzone before comparing a faction to the nazi's basen on their uniform? (only thing they have in common is color, lol)
"Would deny us peace and our rightful place in the universe." Once you learn all the history, this speech holds so much more weight. You see that the ISA are the real "bad guys" of Killzone. If you really want to know, the Templeton Institute channel did videos deep diving in the games history and lore. In short, the Helghast bought the rights to colonize Vekta, but as soon as it started to prosper, the ISA showed up and kicked the colonists to the neighboring trash planet of Helgan. They just want their home back and thats why in the last game the ISA admitted they screwed the Helgan and gave half of Vekta to them.
I didn't know the specific lore, but I was aware it was written as a moral grey area. It conveys the idea of the good people in the present suffering the sins of their past ancestors, while dealing with the evil people in the present who were wronged in the past. It's a complex moral issue people face in the real world. And it suited these games really well. I miss this era of linear shooters with an actual deep plot line.
@@sam23696 Thing is, it has nothing to do with that. The entire lore of the game is the idea it's trying to convey. You're not playing the good guys, you're basically lied to throughout the game, misdirected to see Helghast as this evil totalitarian regime that's bent on killing everyone. When in reality, you're the evil totalitarian regime that's fighting back against rightful owners of a world. There's no moral grey area, the only grey area is propaganda, how you view things. Id say the biggest takeaway from Killzone was don't judge a book by its cover. The Helghast have a very evil looking cover, but the pages of their book are just nothing but community, building, progression and unity. They went bad because the galaxy forced them to be bad, anyone would have done the same to get their home back.
@@lordrevan571 The reason I call it a moral grey area is the Helghast are doing horrible things as well. Terrorist attacks, nuking their own city. You say your side is a totalitarian regime, but they are as well. They wanted in pretty much every game to kill everyone on Vektra to reclaim it. That doesn't sound like the good guys to me.
I understand you play the bad guys, but they are also bad. That's why it's not so black and white.
@@sam23696A lot of quotes from the Helghast mention that they don’t want to exterminate the people on Vektra, instead believe in giving the ultimatum: leave or die. Not too different, but does mean they don’t want genocide as an end, rather it is just a (very brutal) means to an end. They don’t care if the entire pop of Vektra move off-planet to somewhere else, their goal is simply the planet they have historical claims for.
It is why often people compare them more to the extreme parts of the IRA or the post-WWI Freikorp politically rather than WWII Germany.
Frankly if anyone is ever interested in the Killzone lore enough they should also look into post-WWI Germany, and the rise of both communist and ultranationalist factions made up of disenfranchised veterans vying for control over the half-puppet liberal government.
@@sam23696 (Long review short, a Lot of Disagreements there from me meanwhile): no, you don't have to. these ones are like a lost cause too much immediately.
converse to at least someone blind sally-like, or 9GC-like, even cjacobs-like (heh), or red scot-like, even somewhat galm hd-like for example instead and not a Hig fan* like this one on the other hand.
*or in other words: this here for example that just Wanted to argue and nothing more, no matter how Many story-based reminders, and even evidences that someone like you for example man, kept shoving at this one's (and many more Higs out there) face.
[EDIT]: another one more in here. my bad. not just this guy who made this comment chain that you replied to just now from a few days ago in here recently.
Man this looks freaking great for PS3.
What Earth did to the Helghast
Its no wonder we sympathize for them
Generations of suffering, unleashed!
'-that's not how Space colonization for the Whole works, buddy.' - galm (for example).
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"Even now, they advance on our homeworld to seize by force what they can not claim by right."
Hit me right in the nationalist in me. Also, stop talking about politics in the replies, please and thank you in advance.
Wow, it's terrifying how fascist rhetoric can easily sway a populace despit the logic fallacies...
@@navilluscire2567 fascism isnt the same as nazism. Nazism is political and fascism is economical.
Slovakia for example is fascist
@@navilluscire2567 helghasts have full right to be angry and want Vekta back. They bought it, and it was named literally after their CEO
@@navilluscire2567 ISA detected
@@noyes4656
So how are politics not linked to economics?
What i remember most about KZ2 is the banter. There was a mission where they had to blow up 4 towers in a complex. When you blow up 2, some says "Yo Serv what kind of person are you? would you say the complex is half blown up or half intact... maniacal chuckle" always cracks me up when I remember it.
@@ndyoutv (UCA/though mostly) ISA (Alpha Centauri A) branches' four-man fireteam Alpha, mainly led (Heh....) by Ricardo.
yeah. them, yes?
(and, hm....I think this kind of mission section is just long AFTER Tomas, Dante, and few other OP:A-led ISA soldiers (sadly those mentioned latter did not make it, at least this one ISA soldier didn't anyways, just before that said-mention of yours here about this one building's four pillars section or something) that were with those two main (UCN/ISA-affiliated) characters, destroyed this one stationary type helghan arc tower in a Visari Square just before being chased/gunned(!) down by a helghan ATAC drone, and just before sieging towards a Radec school location after crossing Salumun bridge. if I remembered correctly).
The old lady at the voting booths said Helghast is not a current political party to vote for. Lets just say shes being re educated with new insights into our cause…
and in return: terracide for those Rebel colonists from that one world-only anyways.
The terracide was done to helghast by helghast.
What I never understood was how was the isa able to breathe on helgun
Can’t remember the exact reason but pretty sure the ISA don’t have constant exposure like the Helghast do. They can go into their filtered air ships whenever iirc
@@djiegoigama1169 I thought they had some implants to help them breathe or something
@@kobe.talamantez Might be yeah. The injection thingy they get before dropping?
I know I'm very late - but even the Helghast can breathe without the masks, they just continue to wear them as symbolism. So I assume the ISA were able to vaccinate their troops or give them some sort of inhalers in case they struggled to breathe.
@@battenburg6089 I suppose so considering that the ISA has highly advanced tech, which could allow them to breathe the toxic air, plus as you said, decades of Helgan terraforming would make the atmosphere far less toxic than it use to be,
Helghast Intro is more badass than ISA. IM IN
@@jadeimingan184 post-self-Inflicted helghan terracide era Higs as Usual, always in Denial to this Day.
even worst than 'new helghan''s (though Hera is confirmed to be in on it anyways, even if Jorhan was the one doing the heavy lifting of actually being in charge of those throwaways of his) black hand Terrorists problem for another example.
>be guerrilla
>create unique sci-fi trilogy loved by fans with massive potential for future stories and games
>disappear forever
> ?????
>profit
Brian Cox goes really hard in this season of Secession
"They started this war when they invaded Vekta", what a joke!
Actually, he's talking about Second Extrasolar War which it was started when Helghast invaded Vekta from the first game. But the whole conflict between ISA and Helghast, starting with First Extrasolar War, it was UCN, supported by ISA, started it.
B@@ernestw2474 as a result the UCN created a monster
@@devilpupbear09 (Shortly put for now): fairly not a lot of clearly, normal Human beings (Scolar knows this, in the midst of his half-Delusion still (it seems?), Jorhan very well knows this (until KZ04:SF kind of nerfed down his KZ03 era characterization), even it seems Orlock, some few etc more (that is not Justus, Gregor, etc anyways, heh)) among the bigger UCN and some smaller ICSA Space took the pre-irradiated Petrusite-powered era helghan colony, if not Alpha Centauri B itself, seriously as a military superpower.
even if said-most infamous UCN(/All of Humankind that is 'Not of helghan')-hating colony is (inconveniently a bit sometimes for Earth authority's liking) positioned fairly close to the main Space Human empire capital star system just 4+ lightyears apart from each other and the most vital and Only accessible (remember that guys) Spacehub (Vekta especially/Alpha Centauri A) still right now for all of Mankind (including even those back on helghan, if they want to, just before the terracide anyways) to pass through back and forth between Sol and the rest of any other part of the galaxy (or killzone franchise's version of Humans' small part of the Orion arm section anyways).
what did one think was going to happen, hrm?
let us not forget that the helghan corp, over there movingly headquartered there now on Alpha Centauri B and especially A (just before their political arrogance on the monopolying of Space colony travel access and kept claiming the endeavors as their own credit alone, according to the rich families on Vekta and helghan, at the time, that pressured their and the rest of the helghan corporate-loyal majority of colonists' administration from not negotiably seeking to further cooperate alongside the rest of the supposedly fellow UCN senate members and fair shared interests just before the first extrasolar war broke out instead at the end of the UCN colonies-helghan corporation debate anyways) was still technically a member of the majority of the UCN by the way.
[EDIT]: heh....I said basically only for now, but I reviewed back too long than when I first thought.
well my Unfairly hidden off reply in here aside....
@@eddualmeida5790 (Shortly put): do you (helghan/and Hig-Supported), solely, have a more pre-irradiated Petrusite-powered era helghan 'empire'-specifically 'Bigger' stick than the Whole of the UCN colonies' UCA military? eddual.
let alone the ICSA's- (actually, no, nevermind. the UCN senate doesn't see the outside organization as a threat anyways, still to this day in their 2390s era apparently.
that just tells many of us again how very militarily primitive that isolated former-UCN friendly colony was (if they were to just speedrun it all directly against a single UCA warship rather than the ISA defended-only Vekta instead anyways), just before they beefed themselves up with stolen/reverse-engineered UCN funded, ISA (not the tip of UCA grade technology though, thankfully....somewhat) technologies (sadly, mostly from Vekta's/and anywhere else in the Alpha Centauri A star system? section of ISA military applications) next anyways).
Killzone was way ahead of its time in all categories graphics gameplay story immersion not hanging you with micro transactions either makes you miss the old days these are the games id like to see now a days
@@MaximilienPerry - main Destiny omniverses/franchise.
VECTA BELONGS TO HELLGHAST!!! HAIL SCOLAR VISARI!!!!!!!!
Vekta belongs to the Vektans!
@@shaun5809 hellghast were the original Vektans!
HELGHAST FOREVER!!!
@@nuralibolataev4474 '-that's not how Space colonization for the Whole works, buddy.' - galm (for example).
@@nuralibolataev4474 once again, Philip (I guess) would be displeased for examples like you.
Honestly man, i think this game has the same graphics as gears of war 2...I mean watch the intro clip of gears 2 then watch this and you can see that the graphics are basically the same.
I looked and honestly it dose not look the same at all, I think personally as much as I love Gears Of War 2, the graphics are much better on killzone.
If Visari and Prescott were running for office ......dear God I'd die of pure amount of nationalism that'd spew from them before I even got to the voting office
@@mimmain2673 'o-kay', then. [Boredly Shrugs]
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The automatons wouldn’t last five minutes against the Helghast
@@BayouBoy2443 define Which of such frames-like (Not really) 'automatons', hrm?
@ bruh what are you saying
@@BayouBoy2443 or 'androids' anyways.
(what is your reference then? from the other Day in here).
@ oh. You typed it weird. Helldivers 2 released a couple helghast armor sets. In Helldivers 2, you fight a faction known as the automatons which is just a robot army
@@BayouBoy2443 I did not see not see you there properly.
for 43+(!) Minutes passed.
also: so. it is true. another helldivers universe and galaxy/franchise-based person that came into here due to certain recent news.
(I thought you were referring to those like from the atomic heart game's instead for example (whatever those more sleeker humanoid-ish kind of robotic forms are called anyways. I did not had the time from back then to check some wiki still)).
(well this should be easy enough). are those things somewhat Rampant fleets once under the command of the helldivers setting's own version of their main space Human empire? or entirely not of Humankind?
alien in other words. these 'automatons' I mean.
A masterpiece
Props to a sci fi shooter where the good guys are soldiers and not space marines.
This is the best FPS on the PS3
Best FPS period
@@judgedrew2076 I'd fight for that opinion
@@likeclockwork64butbetter58 As the Helghast I assume?? If not * Pulls the hammer back on the magnum
@@mimmain2673 whips out helghast lmg
@@likeclockwork64butbetter58 Yes
I like how they make you think Helghan are the bad guys, when you are playing the baddies. Great narrative and story.
'-GREAT and GODLY nArrative and story. But F_c_ that Earth Fool Propaganda 'lore'!' - helghanites, (in other words).
Goes unimaginably hard
This is the best one of the series
man its soo wired yo play the bad guys
27th for usa (uk for some reason) 25th for europe
A helghast protagonist game would be awesome. It would be a fresh and new perspective on the story and game.
Christ, but I loved this game’s multiplayer mode
Go's I want this game to make a comeback
As a kid, Isaw the ISA as America and thus the good guys, no question. Now as an adult seeing the war crimes America commits on a regular basis, I view this whole series differently.
It has a kind of Allies vs Axis vibe to it when you're younger and don't know any better, but when you actually consider the backstory, you realize this is not the case
@@SuperBrahimos no.
@@CaptainPilipinasyes
@@kyodairiker (this was not for you, Spammer.).
Le Killzone 2 et 3 c'est des masterclass
For the glory of Visari!!!
[remembers that contradictory-said statue of his outside of helghan being tear down by just a bunch of ISA C4s easily before that certain ISA-VSA team and main character goes back home]
This game must be remastered, period.
fax
We need a remaster or a remake of this shit
Bro giving speeches right from the dictators handbook. "Mein Console"
Outlander out, Outlander out, Helghan to Helgast, Outlander out.
Goosebumps again 15 years later
"The dictator plays a martyr while threatening the peace..."
Funny, how some things never change...
About 1 month from now, 27th of Feb.
Yeah one month can't wait. 😂
I feel like it will be marvelous technical achievement😉
I'm from the future it. It was marvellous. Way better than shadow fall. Oh wait. I think I exposed myself. You'll see. Enjoy😉
@@aswiatal we are all from the future, and the game was amazing. To bad it's multiplayer has been sadly extinguished 😭😞
13yrs ago r u still there
Sionismo, ¿Dónde?.
“As we rise again, for the ruins of our cites.”
it was more actually: '-as we rise again, from the ruins of our cities-'.
yes.
What if this game had the KZ3 engine!!!!!!
brian cox going hard with the speech
best trailer ever!!!!!!!!!
you are wrong my friend, the first one is the best
@@furi_1663 i love this more than the first one :)
Looks better than ps5
wut
Wouldn't go that far but for the time this was a pretty impressive intro
He's not lying tho all PS5 can do is cartoonish graphics and sometimes graphics are worse than the PS4 graphics this game looks way better than most PS5 graphics
The intro to the best war game ever made.
Whoever is the person that wrote these speeches and monologues needs to become a fucking author!
HELGAN BECAME THAT FREEDOM
@@ouroboros3705 abandoning their Precious Space tariffs and taxes monopolizing plans for the next 157+ Years (just before some Years 2340s+ ish something) or so of inactive pre-Visarian-led era helghan corporate-affiliated attempted galactic stranglehold, for a time anyways....
Helghan did nothing wrong.
@@micros112 'Yah. I agree.
Rico does not deserve to be a soldier z
Alright thats it, im dusting off the ps3 and plugging it in
Played this on the psp good times
This game was so damn good
they just dont make compelling charismatic villains like visari anymore....
Helgast was right
@@WiseOwl_1408 well, yeah? 'hama_'/Etc More Examples understand it instantly well alright.
@@WiseOwl_1408 'of Course', youtube/Etc.
Needs to be remastered and to play it in German. Also they should put a small mustache on him 😂😂😂
@@Top-G35 Hm. it is said in Real Life development, that the Higtator (pun intended) was inspired by, yeah Obviously him, Heh. and mostly the appearances like Benito and Joseph(?)* (or is Joseph Stalin the one mostly where Orlock got inspiration on instead?.... I can't exactly remember right now by this date).
but kind of sadly (no offense. still though, I'm up for more Lore-wise details anyways back in-game. or some realism, in other words), no. that did not happen. probably 'just to make sure' for guerrilla games, yeah? and some 'copyrights' or whatever, etc reasons.
(Hrm....if it were the case, maybe there would of have been Less helghan colony fans out there then due to the more, at least, 99% obviousness of that Na_ism being literally at Scolar Visari's face. and would not want much to be associated with such like that too out in the open I think?).
also, yeah, heh. german. Fittingly (at least on any of the helghan colonists' dialogues anyways being automatically somewhat fitting now, yeah?).
Real Life = netherlands/europe origin of the killzone franchise's. though Lore-wise = Scolar would Not even approve of that (a lot of reasons that I can't put in here currently, etc etc) since german is still that of a 'Human language' as they would've likely put it. Scolar and his Visarian-led era helghan 'empire' colony wanted something that would 'Distance themselves from the 'Vektans'' (All of Mankind anyways outside of helghan) anyways, both their post-helghan corporation era writing system and especially the tongue itself (which Gladly they only stuck at just the writing system and not had the time for some 'new' language instead, which Scolar now took the latter to his grave forever).
[EDIT]: *someone else (red scot gaming), nevermind.
there is some Joseph inspiration towards Scolar's. yeah, there. I kind of remembered now.
'Joseph 'Vis's'ari'onovich Stalin' = 'Scolar 'Visari''.
some Lore-wise reminder: UCN capital/capital star System/400-500+ (which may have included those from the ICSA's number of territories as well? according to that ISA Alpha Centauri A-based 'Vekta Today' news channel dialogue) UCN (both UCA and loosely ISA-protected) jurisdicted colonies vs one (very infamously well-known anyways) Anti-UCN colony world. one star System.
vs.
(lots of people relying Only on the Gameplay side of perspective alone....somewhat) Gameplay: 'helghan 'empire''.
a-are we the baddies?
Seeing the helghast and hearing Visari made me feel a need to bow or run away
well, 'run away'....
....back home, away from there anyways.
กลับมาดูเพราะ อะไร
NOW IS OUR TIME!!!
to keep on being gunned down too quickly eventually anyways by the main Human Space empire (and their interplanetary strategic other half colonial neighbor) that surrounds those very Low numbered former UCN colonists. *yes.*
time for what? Who is "our"?
@@blacklight4720 Hm. nice one, I agree. Heh.
The ISA really screwed the pooch
@@fulcrum2951 technically....
I wish my country had this
Damn I’m convinced
Glory to Helghan!
what is left of those helghanites' Anyways.
still to this Day for those Unruly Rebel colonists' Self-inflicted Tantrums (from the last time that that that previous guerrilla games IP franchise's update of that verse's Timeline events thatsome of us have last checked/remembered anyways). Heh.
@@CaptainPilipinasand what it did for Earth? Or Vekta? In the end they lost millions and gained literally nothing from the war they could have easily avoided… Thats the whole point - helghasts had nothing to lose and Earth couldnt even exploit Helghan’s resources on its own.
@@MrVlad12340 '-and Earth-'.
(Not just the Earth authorities).
'-Earth couldn't even exploit Helghan's resources on its own.'.
(Shortly put for now(?)): Er. no.
native helghan planet Petrusite production (even if how strained....-looking) across UCN and ICSA(?) Space continues still, post-2360s era-speaking.
....as some of us still remembered and have seen (to some of us that still do give a flip in the details, etc anyways, 'Heh'. screw those halo franchise casuals (for example) and the majority of any mainstream stuff out there), -story speaking- and especially Lore-wise during KZ04:SF's time.
@@MrVlad12340 be advised, my reply to you just now got hidden off.
as Usual. Typical for these here of these sites'.
@@MrVlad12340 there it is again. I guess.
heads up.
When you realize this whole thing is just space Israel vs space palestine
pog RICO
Ruined the game didn't gave us helghan campaign killed the game vy shut downing servers
well, that is a nice thing Indeed. Heh.-
The first was saved for s planet huh! I remember the gafices was better on ps1 12 years ago! So Androids Bal afact down grades for simple level wars. The big bombs know more.clouds hold for fair manager if state! In humanity lol
"They will know, Ukraine belongs to Mother Russia"
Getting myself some Reznov and Petriencov vibes from CoD WAW
(AU-speaking time) actually, shouldn't that be the ISA (russia) instead? rather than the very small ukraine land (helghan empire), coming from this quoting line of yours up top.
(then again, helghan still belongs to the UCN(/ISA) wholly anyways, so. not too wrong there from that quote. heh).
Ukraine belongs to Ukraine
Beat that gears of war sorry you cant lol
How’d that work out for u? Gears sucks
@@sirownzalotgaming3025 Gears 5......why coalition why......
Prescott may not bear it but CAN match it
Faltou o bigodinho do Hitler
O discurso é maneiro, apenas curta o jogo. mas com certeza teve sua influência em certas personalidadea
yes.
Damn that 2300s+ Year era 'hit**r'. Hah.
"Helgan belongs to the--" Lemme stop you there, chief. Helgan belongs in the dust bin cuz it don't exist anymore. You're welcome.
@@Mahbu 01. frustratingly. once of convenient UCN, and even those from the ICSA colonies here and there, importance, now it is inconveniently for the majority of UCN and ICSA Humankind having to get by while those like the still present effects from the helghan terracide event is in the way of their activities for example.
yeah.
02. er, no. the UCN colonies (especially) and the smaller ones from the ICSA-every of Humankind across the galaxy still trades, uses the mineral colony, etc.
(it just so became a (very tempting) target practicable thing once a certain, post-helghan corp-only era leader of theirs came into the picture long before the narrative happenings of KZ01's, that a lot of people out there forget about the very unpopularly Human-friendly homey but very still resource-rich importance of helghan's sometimes.
Not just bound for those back on the still post-WW3 era-inflicted Human-origin capital (especially) outside of the twin colonized Alpha Centauri star systems, but the majority of Humankind beyond the Vektan/helghan star systems, Lore-wise.
'this planet is....remarkable, the power generator for half the universe,-' (Exaggerations and developer mistake there aside. I'm assuming Evelyn meant that the whole of the UCN Earth and colonies'/ICSA members instead. that the main Space Human empire, and those among the ICSA territories, rellies on for (somewhat) FTL power, etc etc materials and energy) '-until Scolar turned it into a war machine....' - Evelyn.
'once they explorted it-' (Petrusite especially, 2129s+ 2202s-2220s+ 2340s) '-as power, now they Hoard it for 'war'....' - Evelyn).
And yet it’s still being mined for resources, and still houses the majority of the Helghast race. Even with their planet killed they refuse to give it up.
This is so similar of our day
The ISA is essentially space NATO
@@SuperBrahimos you (for example) are still on about your own Exampled Twisting of the KZ universe and galaxy Lore?
@@Enkarashaddam some is not wrong on that. for that right handed organization of the KZ universe's and galaxy's own version of a main Space Human empire's is literally described and compared kind of like that back in the ISA's wiki page.
yes....and except, interstellarly bigger. compared to our still 'Terran-bounded era' NATO of Today's.
@@SuperBrahimos as Usual.
Unfortunately.
Gaming before woke took over
they will know ukraine belongs to the ukrainians ^^ :D
@@nlrobber well, no?
the pre-UCN era and very Earth-bounded russia nation of Today is more in line like those Crazy helghan colonists' instead, no?
(ukraine is not a NATO member (yet????), though still it looks like said-small nation may as well be in line with the UCN/ISA/(even those breakaway colonies of the ICSA) instead anyways, rather than the invading helghan faction).
The ones that really know, know that the Helghast were not the bad guys
HELGAST for Life
what is left of them anyways....
Visari did nothing wrong.
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