Dean Park Model Railway 332 | September Update 2023 | Scenic 'How To', New OHLE & Great Gadgets!
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- Опубліковано 20 лип 2024
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In this month's Dean Park Update I start to make progress on the scenic part of the landscape at the incline, as well as trying out a new scenic product. I introduce two amazing gadgets that make track laying so easy! Hornby's MK4 'Flying Scotsman' DVT arrives at Dean Park. I show you how to solder droppers to trackwork and there's lots of running shots of my latest models too. If you want to find out more about the items I have covered in this video, click on the following links.
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0:00 Introduction
1:38 Work in the Incline
5:35 New OHLE
8:37 Thinking Ahead!
9:37 Painting
12:30 Shaping the landscape
19:20 Hornby LNER DVT
25:35 Soldering Dropper Wires
29:10 Great Gadgets!
31:40 New models running
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Feliciation to you and for a super great trip, and as always much appreciation for all of your efforts in sharing these videos. salutations de France
An update on Dean Park is always an absolute pleasure what ever gauge your modelling preference. Thanks Dave. Cheers, Bob
Cheers Bob. :-)
Just seen the answer in one of your videos! Thank you. Chris
Great update with lots of useful tips. Thanks for sharing. Roy.
Cheers Roy.
Great looking plans for your extensions.. maybe we might see a line side crew building new electrification extensions for the new embankment area.
The future development of the catenary sounds really interesting! Thanks for another great video 😀
Cheers. I’ll be working on this for a while.
Well done Dave, those retaining walls are great. Your words on the dvt couldn’t be more accurate
This looks awesome
Cheers :-)
Another excellent video Dave. I think the track laying gizmos are an absolute stroke of genius.
They’re great!
Great update Dave
Cheers. Glad you enjoyed it :-)
Yes indeed. Will be great to see you adding wire to the OHLE in due course...contemplating that for my layout when I get that far.
Brilliant train layout 😀😎
Looking forward to watching this when I get a spare bit of time to watch it properly. I’m about to delve into the dark and mysterious world of soldering 😬 so this will be very helpful!! 👍
Two tips. Clean surface and clean tinned soldering iron tip! Or it’s a feckin’ nightmare 😆
@@DeanPark I fully expect it to be a nightmare either way!!! I have some DCC concepts flux and a ‘very expensive’ eBay Chinese soldering tool. 😳 what could possibly go wrong!!
Nice layout update. The Hornby 91 and dvt and the coaches have been done on the cheap and expect people to pay stupid prices for them. Shame cavalex did not continue with the project.
I also noticed it helps to melt some solder on the tip before it cools, otherwise the tips can oxidise and you have to put a new one in
@@Mapplewell_Parkjust make sure you get all your wires the right way round first time, otherwise its a right pain taking them off or you end up with a mix of colours underneath 😢
Great update and 'how to' Dave! Thanks for sharing. Cheers Onno.
Cheers Onno :-)
I am not sure if the DVT had a name change at some time but for sure it was named Flying Scotswoman under the cab windows. It rarely ran with Flying Scotsman locomotive but did on 14 04 2022 when I went to Kings Cross with them and took some video. Another Hornby blunder ?
Aye, they did name it that briefly….but what a nonsense. It’s nothing to do with gender equality.
The train is the flying Scotsman. End of.
What next? Manchester becomes womanchester?
Great update here Dave and as usual some excellent work done on the layout, enjoyed your mini review of the DVT, shame it turned out to not be as good, think I have mentioned before that I have the swallow one and thankfully mine is excellent when it’s running with my 91 and mk4 coaches, great to see your process of installing OHLE equipment, I do like seeing layouts that have it and it is one thing I would like to try myself one day, great update and small running session here Dave, keep,up the great work.
Yes I have a good swallow one too. I like layouts with OHLE so I’m looking forward to adding it to the incline.,
Great video as always Dave. That’s very good advice about thinking ahead, something I always do. I like to think about what the end goal is for a particular task and then work my way backwards through the sub-tasks that are needed to achieve the end - that way i do things in a logical order to try, as you rightly noted, to avoid wasted effort on getting things wrong. Not sure about you though, sometimes even with all the best will in the world, you don’t notice something’s wrong until your plan has been installed ! Winston Churchill was spot on when he said “failing to plan is planning to fail” ! Take care Dave.
That’s a Churchill quote I live by! And often remind others of it.
Hi Dave thankyou for another great up date I did like your new gadgets thankyou again for the video
They are very handy gadgets! :-) cheers. Dave
Great vid as always
What do I say but WOW looks amazing you should be taking that to shows👍
Cheers. I can’t physically take this to a show. Unless I remove the roof from the house to take it out 😆
Always excellent Dave
Thanks :-) glad you enjoyed it.
Dave where the concrete troughing (correct term) crosses from side of the track to,the other this would be via a UTX (undertrack crossing) there would be a manhole either side with ducts set some distance below the track. Orange pipe (again correct them) is only used to connect individual/isolated items of equipment. The reason being is that the orange pipes are easily damaged by tampers and if you had a cable run ripped up you would have to relay the whole length as you are not allowed to splice/join wires as it would be a potential failure point
Great to see another update! Layout is looking fab and glad you've been able to get up there and make some progress despite the heat! I have to say I wouldn't be using Woodland scenics products for filling gaps like that, it's far too expensive. I do like Toupret smoothing filler which you can get from B&Q, and has a really nice creamy consistency that makes it easy to apply.
I’ve had it for a while so thought I’d give it a go. But yes, their stuff is never cheap.
@@DeanPark Fair dos. I do like their turf and scatter materials, as well as ballast as they're consistently good quality and you know what you're getting, but a lot of what they do is very overpriced.
its looking good
Thanks. Long way to go yet, but it’s starting to come together. Cheers.
No matter how appetizing Dave at Dean Park makes it sound, don't eat the putty folks !😁
😆 yes it’s not a patch on angel delight!
Great video as always. Thought the track fitting tools looked really useful. No more painful finger tips pushing fishplates onto track, and frustrating bending Peco track pins!!!
The soldering ‘How To’ was very simple…… I’m going to solder my train tech sensor signals to the track so 🤞🤞
They are really ingenious little items! You wonder why no one has thought of them before now!
Good luck with the signals.
@@DeanPark if only I had thought of it!! I could have made my fortune long ago 😂😂
Awesome. Hi from NZ
Cheers. :-)
Thanks for another really enjoyable video. Yet again a sub standard Hornby model and I can see why sales are struggling.
It’s the factory they use for the DVT! Different from the mk4 and class 91 models. It’s a stupid arrangement! If they aren’t going to get the livery to a high standard they should just stick to the main stream ones and forget about the one off specials!
@@DeanPark sadly Hornby have produced quite a few models that either were not fully developed before being sold, or have other quality issues. I certainly wouldn't buy a new model from Hornby until a few have been sold and they produce a second batch.
Found another modeler using Celotex. Celotex IS flammable!!! The foil is there exactly because it is flammable. Here in the USA use the 'pink' or 'blue' insulation board. I don't know if it's available overseas. If your foam board has foil on it, DO NOT USE it.
Hi, unfortunately, Ply wood baseboard is flammable, the trees are made from flammable sea foam, the loft trusses are made from wood, they are flammable.
The foil is to prevent moisture getting through.
I cover every sq inch of the celotex in plaster cloth which is in turn sealed with paint.
Great updates as always. Could you do a section on how to keep it all dust free.
Track cleaning is prettt straight forward but I find scenery, and intricate stuff tricky to keep clean. I live near a farm so I get alot of spider webs, dust.
A Dyson with attachment is key! I’m lucky as I’ve no windows etc to let too dust in.
Nice video Dave, cant go wrong with the Sommerfeldt - Peco OHLE, its proven gear, Sommerfeldts instagram is good as they put vids out of the masts / wires / pantographs being made, quite addictive seeing how they craft it altogether / soldering / jigs etc. Do wish other manufacturers would do this to show buyers just what goes into making the products , that said the likes of Marklin / Roco are far better with their social media output / factory tours etc. Nice to see the care & attention they put into making the products.
Never understood why with these complex liveries on models they don't phone up the guys in Germany / Austria & get their help, they've been crafting liveries far more complicated than that on locos with ribbed sides for donkeys years.
Pedant mode : class 91's don't use tdm with the mk4 's they use dedicated UIC 100 cables. On the front of a IC swallow 91 you'll see a loop cable under the left hand buffer ( these being on every coach & both ends of the dvt. class 90's & the 89 are fitted with it as well,( the 90's being jack of all trades / InterCity unable to afford the 4 extra 91's to cope with the maintenance , 31 locos to cover 28 diagrams was always a non starter given the daily mileages intended, so some creative accounting getting the 21 freight / RES 90's ordered to provide some cheaper spares to cover - the 7 extra class 92's ordered meaning the the original plan for 28 class 90's cut to 21). The 91's & the dvt have tdm to work with the mk3's etc. With the IC225 the abilty to use a proven dedicated system was taken early on. TDM was a cheaper way to retrofit the existing mk3 / 2f fleet using the existing coach lighting cables. The Scottish 47/7 - dbso use the RCH method, the dbso's when transfered to Anglia gaining the TDM cubilcle. On the WCML the then new fleet of class 90's where built with tdm as standard , the cost cutting of sectorisation meant that the 35 class 87's & the 3 86/1's & 30 class 86/2's never received the modifications to the transformers at a cost of £30,000 per loco & hence the poor reliability of it , the 87/0's suffering really badly with it to such an extent that intercity created a subclass of 10 locos ( 001-010 ) limited to 100mph to work the sleeper trains , this soon got axed as it proved unworkable. When Virgin took over , for a while they took the dvt off 3 sets of mk3's & just used the 3 mk3b bfo vehicles & confined them to the Glasgows to ease up the failures , the 87's eventually getting the mods when Alstom took over the maintanence contract. .87101 was the test bed for the TDM system, with a converted class 305 used, 87101 being the superior machine had the lower rated output but with its thyristor control having over 20% greater tractive effort , the testimony of drivers on the runs north of Lancaster convincing BR that a 80 ton 4 axle machine could cope just as well as a 105 ton 6 axle machine , so the class 89 got dropped & the 91 came in as at that time the 91/ IC225 still being a WCML baby. InterCity sector flexing its muscles to cut costs seeing the cost savings on wear & tear on the track & not having to fork out on a extra pair of axles to maintain.
TFW when they took on the mk4 ex LNER / GC sets having to get the mk4 TOE modified to run with the 67's as the 67's have tdm , the 67's chosen to work the services gaining a dedicated fitting on the fronts & the TOE a fair bit of extra cabling & a socket on the end , & the dvt control panel modified to deal with the 67. As the case Hornby ignoring all that on their TFW releases
First class work - I just baulk at the cost of Woodland Scenics products. Wouldn't some generic decorators caulk do the same job ?
There are lots of materials that would do. I just wanted to try this as it was in direct contact with the polystyrene, so wanted to test its effectiveness. It’s an excellent product, but I agree, it’s not cheap and I won’t be using it on every scenic project.
My forthcoming update shows it being used on a larger job, stay tuned for that later this week. Cheers. Dave
Dave are the magnets not used to hold the track pins to then help to tap them in, in the instructions, than the way you have showed? A pity that Hornby are still having issues with the LNER DVTs after last year. Surely better to have the decal fitted first neatly, then tampo print over them to match and blend in the colours. Good job done on the vid, and the layout is coming on great.
Ah yes of course!! That makes more sense now. I should have read the instructions 😆 typical.
@DeanPark That is just being a stereo typical male in not reading them, lol. Happy Modelling, as I look forward to seeing this section building up Dave.
Great work on the layout Dave - loved the little pin gadget - I tend to use screws and use the pin vice to drill the hole then screw in - that gadget will help me to align the pin vice accurately so that the screws sit in the middle of the track - do you know if they do that in N scale?
Regards
Steve
Hi, yea they do it for n gauge. Click on the west hill link in the description and go to the n gauge section. I think they are great little products. He keeps selling out of them they are selling so well! Cheers. Dave
be interested to see what you do with the station area, I'm currently working on a diesel depot for my ever growing fleet of class 37s. i have two Bachmann and four Accurascale, with more Accurascale on the way. nice work, really enjoy your videos, John JMC
Cheers John. A depot is always good, it’s a great way to display your models and add lots of detail. Cheers. Dave
@DeanPark good luck with hornby awards, got my exhibition layouts Halland and Byway MPD in the best layout category
Can I suggest wilth your dropper wires that rarther than soldering them to the sides of the rail, solder them to the bottom (If you can take the track out). I have done my entire N gauge layout this way, where very piece of track has a pair of droppers, and you can't see a single wire, and I haven't ballasted yet!
I have done that with 99% of the droppers. But I thought adding an extra one in would help. I’ve always soldered from the underside, as it’s far neater. :-)
Hi, great work, like your platforms, could you film a how you make them, Thank you Andrew
If you look back to the very early videos I probably have some footage of them being constructed. But I’m not building any more at this time.
Hi Dave. Very much enjoying looking at your superb layout. Have you produced a track plan at any time? Cheers. Chris
Hi. I’ve not done a track plan as such no. But if you want a better idea of the layout as a whole then I would stay tuned….I’m doing a layout tour video this month. That might put it into context. Or watch my cab ride video that I uploaded a while back. It will allow you to see and hear the layout from the cab :-) cheers. Dave
Thank you so much. I'll definitely follow your suggestion. I've found it really helpful to go right back to the beginning of your video series and watch them in order. Unfortunately, although you can select 'oldest,' it doesn't seem to allow you to watch the whole series in that order without manually picking the next one. Maybe I don't know how to use UA-cam, of course! Best regards. Chris@@DeanPark
My god Dave did you have to get those Scottish legs out on UA-cam and give us all a fright its not Halloween yet mate 😂😂😂
I’ll attach a health warning next time 😆
I do like how the embankment has been created but I could visualise an express roadway going through it instead ? Is it too late to that ??
I won’t be adding any more lines. It’s scenic work at this end now :-)
As always a great update and some great ideas. I just love how clean and precise your layout is.
Sorry to say it but that DVT looks rough. That front end looks like someone has done a respray and they were as good as me!. It really looks bad. Didn't Hornby learn from their class 66s with decals?.
Close up under the spot light it looks pretty rough, but from a normal viewing distance is looks better! But it is a bit of a let down as the other ‘celebrity’ 91’s have been good. This dvt is not the best effort.
Hi there fantastic video as ever - easily one of the best channels on youtube! Coud you possibly tell me the best place to get thst yard filth paint from? Cheers Shaun
Hi. I got it from ‘green scene’ but I believe they have been bought up by squires tools.
@@DeanParkcheers
That first step is absolutely invaluable. You can’t over sell the logic in creating lovely shoulders for the ballast to sit cracking stuff on myself. I’m currently doing the exact same project to my feature section of the layout. Stay safe. See you in the next one.
how thick is that celotex spaceboard you cut with the jiggy?
It’s 50mm, but you get various thicknesses.
I have just purchased this locomotive. Can you recommend a decoder for this model, as I am new to DCC.
Hi, what locomotive? The Hornby DVT? Any 21 pin one will do, you don’t need a fancy one as it’s only going to be used to power the lights, it doesn’t have a motor to drive.
Dapol imperium deocoders are what I’ve put in mine, £25ish. Bachmann 21 pin is good, but more expensive. Even a hattons or rails own brand decoder will do the job in this dvt.
Hope this helps.
Cheers.
@@DeanPark Sorry, yes the DVT. Thank you for your reply.
Hi Dave, I've followed you for years now and love videos like this as I always enjoy progress videos. Dave I know you have done videos on points and I've watched the wiring of electrofrog points, bought all the stuff you showed, but, I have a question that I know you can answer...
When powering the point motors, if I plug them onto the track supply, they don't have enough power to operate, but if I plug them into the AC outlet on my Hornby Elite, they work fine, but I kept switching the points repeatedly when testing them and noticed the peco point motor (what you use) gets hot. Am I powering the point motors correctly?
Thanks in advance Dave. Lee
Do they buzz continually? You need a passing contact switch, NOT an on/off switch. The solenoid only needs a pulse signal to switch it. It should not have a constant signal to it or it will get hot and burn out.
No it doesn't buzz constantly and the switches are the 28070 Eze-wire Peco Type Motor Harness. So they are defo the right switches. I was just worried about the power supply, but like you said, if they must have the pulse signal. It's probably just me being paranoid and noe I feel a bit silly. But I just wanted to confirm that I was doing it right? Thanks Dave and sorry for being a pain and pestering you about it. Lee
Brilliant layout. Years of work. Have you ever tried to value it with regard to home insurance? I got a rude awaikening when I valued mine and it's way smaller than yours. We are talking thousands of pounds. Nevermind labour. Ou may have an F1 car in your attic.😂
Haha. Yeah it’s tens of thousands.
I’ve increased contents cover yeah.
So if hornby are as clever as they think they are, then why don't they supply their locos with drivers in the cabs?
They do now…my last 5 locos have come with drivers. My three class 91, my APT and my Flying Scotsman. All now have really nice painted and detailed drivers.
Does the foam putty come in banana or butterscotch flavours?
Raspberry and strawberry!
My wife thinks you Jigsaw naked 😂
I usually do. But not in this clip. I kept my socks on. Lol
@@DeanPark 🤣🤣🤣
Mmm front looks very poor to me, looks very plasticky 20:59
It’s the decal under the light. It doesn’t look great from that angle. 😬
These are toys , not models. If the government would understand this there would be no V A T. And very little tax. And where not anything but BOYS playing with toys.
The retailers would prob keep the prices high!
Typical of hornby a budget model at a premium price. 👎
Yet another modeller knocking Hornby. If enough modellers keep moaning then Hornby will leave the market and then we'll see prices increase.
And do you think any of my comments are unjust from the images? Have I lied?
If you listen I actually said I liked the model. If I didn’t I wouldn’t have paid for it.
You might want to look back the history of my videos to see the positive comments I give Hornby, such as the update from
Earlier in the year where I lavished them with praise for their flying Scotsman.
I hardly think Hornby will leave the market, the market may however leave them if they don’t get to grips with their quality issues, or will modellers like you keep buying their stuff regardless of quality or price?? More fool
Those who do.
Modellers wouldn’t moan if Hornby upped their game. But they don’t have consistency in their range.
So you might think I moan, but watch and listen and I think there are plenty of supportive comments, even in this video, regarding their class 91.
You’ve just picked out what you want to hear.