How To Use A Bucket To Vent A Spray Booth - Bucket Hack For Airbrushing
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This isn’t much different than an airbrush cleaning pot, only on a larger scale
How is the diameter of the hose?
Standard size on most spray booths on ebay
or a bong
@@RickeyWholaverfor that particular hose probably 4 inches
@@vasili1207 HAHAHA!
Just drilled a hole through a brick wall yesterday now this vid comes out 😂
I've constructed something similar to this. You can purchase Hepa fabric material to screen off fine particulates, but when it comes to white spirits (varsol/ alkyd paint thinner), lacquer thinner, acetone, xylene or anything that fries brain cells, vent outside. If you have a living bird in a cage nearby, you may learn a very sad lesson the hard way. If it's no good for our feathered friends, it's not good for us either. I ONLY use this indoor method with water-based acrylics and Isopropyl alcohol as a thinner and cleaner.
The saying "canary in the coal mine" exists for a reason!
I blow mine through a box of activated charcoal pellets for fish tanks, works really well for cutting down the odors and is pretty cheap in bulk. Then I just burn the charcoal in my fireplace near the end of winter which is about when it starts to get exhausted anyway. A few kgs of the stuff at a time goes a long way, especially if you seal the box between uses.
Alcohol is one of the worst things we can breathe as modelers.
I run a similar setup to this for laquers (I spray very little in 1/72 scale mostly) and I pop a window for fresh air. Regardless of what medium I'm using, you better believe I'm properly masked up. Hope you are as well. Alcohol based acrylic is vicious.
Thats a you problem my guy.
Very cool idea.
I see multiple asks about resin fumes from printers, spray paints, etc. This method is only safe for (1) particulates (like dried paint droplets) or (2) water-soluble vapours. Since resin and solvent fumes (etc) are neither, they will pass through or over the water and back out the holes into your room.
Also, running the hose into the water, as some have asked, will make it more effective as a filter but it will cause more back pressure and your fan won't perform as well, so that's your trade-off.🤔
If anyone is asking if this would work for resin prints they really shouldn't have a resin printer those are the same people that get water wash resin and think it's safe to rinse down the sink drain lol
@@dusty3033 Well, you know the old saying...when someone asks a question to better themselves, mock them relentlessly. 😐
@zandarrthegreat6790 um it's not a mock it's a thing like do research before buying and know all the hazards it's like if you live in an apartment and don't use air filters and such and it gets into the air ducts and the voc travel thru the air system it will get into everyone's rooms and so Irresponsible for something like that to happen
I,m going to go with two buckets, water from bottom, with a few UV strips.
Oxygen prevents photo reactive resin from reacting. Lots of little bubbles should help.
And then a second bucket fitted to the top, full of activated carbon, and then outside.
I got pet birds so I have to be extra careful.
@@dusty3033 But asking this question is part of their research. They are reaching out to people that may know.
What perfect timing for those of us in the north without a window. I saw the bucket on your last video and was about to ask about it. Then saw this video come up, so thank you for sharing!
I hope you have a legit fire suppresion system! I ask from personal bad experience, drawers of model paints vs my hobby room. Sold the house instead of fixing it. Faulty wiring, said the fire marshal.🖤💥
Nice! I didn’t want to get a booth because I don’t really have a spot next to a window but this makes me want to get a booth!
And spraying outside is so hard with wind or temperature constantly being under 40. This is exciting
What a great idea, I would have never thought that you could use this technique for using a spray booth if you can't vent to the outside. Thank you for this video and the information you provide
this is pretty cool, basically like those waterfall booths, both are probably fine for acrylics but for lacquers and such its not just about evacuating overspray, but the VOCs too, which this will not do, especially dangerous if youre using it indoors.
Any advice on something like this for enamels or lacquers?
@@Lifeinerinn you could create the same setup as this but use a real active coal filter instead of this foam filter. If it works in a protective mask than it should theoretically work with this too.
@@Lifeinerinn a strong exhaust fan vented to outside is the only thing I would use for enamel and lacquers. Theres some nasty stuff in a lot of model paints, especially lacquers, really not worth the exposure risk to half ass the ventilation, especially if you paint kits with any significant frequency. VOCs can be carcinogenic or at least cause irreversible tissue damage. I personally use one of those explosion proof 10 exhaust fans that moves like 1942 cfm. It's overkill but nothing escapes my booth and it's peace of mind.
@@Lifeinerinn enamels and lacquers have lots of solvents and other nasty VOC-producing products in them, usually much more than most acrylic-based products. While an active carbon filters, HEPA filters and a NIOSH P100 protective mask might work for acrylics ona moderate period of time, VOCs eventually need to go somewhere outside to mitigate health risks. I would follow _jovian's advice and invest in a proper ventilation system for safety, especially if you've got other people living in your house.
Well considering every single one of those paint booths state "not for use with solvent based paints" just using them with lacquers or enamels is dangerous itself. They don't come with explosion proof fans. Hence why they're so cheap.
Reading all the comments, I hope nobody gets harmed. It looks like too many assume that this would help when working with toxic fumes as well.
I'm not an expert but I'm sure that this won't be enougg for toxic stuff.
You are mentioning activated carbon filter but it's not as easy as it sounds. I hope people will do more research when handling toxic stuff.
Thank you Robert for sharing your bucket trick. I was very curious about how it was rigged. You’re definitely for and about the common everyday modeler. 👍👍
Thanks for showing the bucket filter. I'm in a basement and I'll be making one.
Cool idea, I have limited space in my garage (Where I do my painting), this will be a good idea for me.
You have too many kits, want to sell some of them? (I am down to 120 kits in my stash and want more) - LOL😂😂
Henry from Northern California.
Never enough kits, right my friend
In addition to this, you can also run an air purifier to pick up residual contaminants and it also helps clear up dust in the paint area.
Yes, great advice
I use a box of activated charcoal at the exhaust of my paint booth, probably not as cheap as running an air purifier at the exhaust in the long run though, I might have to look into that!
Look in to using a inline duct charcoal filter. They are often used in indoor plant/pot growing setups and works very well.
Yes indeed. I can spray Alclad in my apartment and not stink the place up using one. Not horribly expensive and last a really long time. Also take up a bit less space than a 5 gallon bucket. But the bucket method DOES work!
I used the charcoal filter exhaust system for my grow tent and it does work I now use it in my 5gal bucket with my waterfall spray booth cause the water catches the paint and the fumes go to the bucket
@@PopArow4702 activated carbon cannot filter out these fumes. It can only filter out the particulates which will include the smell. You will still be breathing in everything that's actually toxic for you. That is why there is three types of filters the first of which being dust the second one being a particulate in the third one being a fume
Smell is the last and least relevant thing to worry about. This leaves the VOCs in your air, your lungs, your pets’ lungs.
My solution for spraying in my garage during the winter. My garage is insulated and heated, unless I have the side door, but it's to cold to do right now. Thank you Mr. Rex for the tip.
Merry Christmas everyone.
This removes the pigments but not the volatile compounds
Cool deal!.. Has anyone ever used a rainbow vaccum cleaner it uses water as its filter I had one and used it to trap the paint fumes by evacuating out the fumes in my spray booth it worked really well too.. When the water got loaded up I would just dump it and be back up and spraying.
If you want to use solvent based paint, you can make an inlay inside your blue bucket and fill it with Aquarius carbon filter pellets. Basically turning it in to a gasmask. It's probably not something that would pass a health/work safety inspection at a work place, but for hobby use it will work just fine.
Did you try something like that? I was thinking about something like that myself, but I have no idea how effective that would be/how thick the layer would have to be and all that. Face mask filters aren't very thick but the amount of air that passes through them compared to spray booth fan is wayyy less...
I tried this after seeing it on your channel last time you showed it. I don't think I had the holes big enough as the whole room filled with over spray I had a layer of blue dust in the bathroom too. I now know my holes were to small. If you only spray occasionally be careful as the water will go mouldy so empty it till needed. Thanks Rex. Jay from England 🇬🇧.
So essentially. You have small holes.
I ALWAYS wanted to to know how to do that and What it Could do in enclosed area...or where 'wife' won't allow you to cut out the screen to vent out once window is opened.
awesome innovation 💡
we are headed to where you will be able to paint with 3d machine laser with glass rolls that paint walls 🧱 🎨 (2 mins) you will be able to paint a house in under 1 hour
the airbrush is a small tube that is connected to a large (metal) tube canister to distribute paint!?? 💡
This is so smart!
I have no idea why something like this has never crossed my mind.
It really is amazing how many non creative people actually exist, and I don't mean that in a bad way. The cost to buy anything these days is astronomical and being creative can save tons of money.
I use Carbon Filters
Built it and use it
This is a terrible idea.
The vast majority of the particulates are caught in the filter or water veil, depending on what kind of booth you use. The purpose of the vent is to create negative pressure in the booth, to draw away and dispose of fumes. A bucket of water won't neutralise them, the bucket has holes in so it won't contain them, and we already established that the fumes can pass through the filter material, as it needs to pass through it to reach the vent in the first place, so placing the filter material on the top isn't helping either.
The fumes will fill the bucket, escape and flow towards the area with the lowest pressure, i.e the booth with you sat in front of it.
This is a great cheep alternative for those who don’t have a window and it works great
I would use a Carbon
Filter
Oh yeah, I should the carbon filter in a past video
No point unless you can get at least commercial grade and replace it weekly and have a way to efficiently move the air through it. Just fanning it out of a big tube straight into a thin pad does nothing.
Wow, talk about timing. Not two hours ago I was searching through all your past videos to see if you had covered this topic after I saw it when you were doing the double spray booth yesterday. I went back 3 years and couldn't find anything. I was going to email you about it ... and then this popped up. Awesome. Thanks for the explanation. Take care. Look forward to the waterfall booth review.
I was literally doing this yesterday lol
Nice trick. I have a spot that’s better for me in the lower level of the house, but setting up by any of the windows won’t really work. This seems like a useful set up
This is a math problem. You mentioned needing holes in the lid:
Quote: "You're going to drill half inch holes, at least half inch. Go all the way around cuz what happens is you're blowing air into this. If it's sealed down it fills up with air and it just backs right back into the booth. It'll stop blowing back in because there's nowhere for the air to go."
A 4-inch duct has an area of 12.5664 inches. A half inch hole has an area of 0.1963 inches. In order to move the same volume of air out of the bucket as a 4-inch duct can supply, you'd require 64 each half inch holes in the bucket. I only counted about 8 in your lid, which means you need to drill a bunch more for this system to work efficiently without back pressure. I do know that there is pressure loss due to the friction in the flex duct, but it does need more exhaust in the system for maximum performance.
I really like this idea for acrylic paint and may give it a try. Thanks for the post!
Yep there is a ton of back pressure and those little booth fans don't come anywhere close to getting the VOCs into that water, not that it would help since they evaporate out later into your room anyway, regardless of any "filter" trying to catch them.
Yep - all that will happen is your fan will spin and make noise but it won't usefully move any air.
Step 1.) cut a hole in the box
Great information 👍🏿😊
Great video! Very helpful for modelers to know.
Was hoping you would show this actually functioning as intended. This is just concept/theoretical and not applied. Maybe another video?
I used it in my Pace Spray Booth test not long after this video
I just watched your last video and was asking this question. Thanks!
Great idea! Thanks for sharing.
Your timing could not be better. I have been trying to decide on a method of making a similar system. I will be making one in the next couple of weeks. thanks.
I would suggest to most of the comments about additional filter media that this system PUSHES air from the booth into the bucket, and the more media in the way the more blockage the air will have. A sucking fan at the bucket end would do better for adding more robust filtering techniques, but that would defeat the simplicity of this system. Great video!
I have been thinking about using something like a charcoal filter on the lid. Just something to catch the fumes of non-acrylic paints. Any thoughts on that?
For sure, I recently showed the carbon filters in an updated video
I use this, and I recommend buying the gallon of distilled water rather than using tap water. It will keep it from getting slimy and stinky for longer.
Great tip, thanks
Thats..actually really smart
How do you get the air to move through the tube into the bucket? I personally use a vacuum cleaner with the nozzle poking through the back of the booth with. A fine mesh cloth over the end to catch paint.
I've only done this with store bought spray booths so they already have an exhaust fan
Definitely a great way to go if you don't have a window!!!!
Dish detergent will loosen the water tension, so it'll draw more paint into the water.
How long can you leave the detergent water in the bucket for?
You should replace the water every few weeks
Cool trick! Gonna give it a try
Robert, do you know if this will work for Lacquer paints?
Well I only use lacquer paints. Just be sure you use carbon filters and a respirator
This is great advice as we go into the winter months here in the Northeast
what if you put the hose INTO the water? Kinda Like a bong
Bad idea, it will block the air and then it will kick back thru the booth in reverse
Nice hack. So glad 2 hav had a Dad who's profession & skills also helps U with your own activities! Wish I had tht 2 fall back on!
Is your Dad still alive?? Hav either parents seen your wrks??
My dad has passed. My mom lives with my wife and I. The house her & my dad lived in was way too big for one. I got everything I love from my dad, model building, painting, motorcycles. I'm grateful to have had a wonderful father
@@barbatosrex9473 Man, thts awesome... gets me right n the 🤎 U're definitely blessd, my friend.
This is pretty clever! I was wondering how the bucket would capture the odors after watching the large spray booth video from the other day.
Odors aren't the concern.
You can run a vehicle and generator in a closed garage doing the same thing… wow.
Great video for diy inexpensive over spray trap. Simple and effective. Thanks.
I have my spray booth setup in a similar fashion. I switched form a bucket with holes like that to an old round humidifier I picked up for $2 at a garage sale. The wet filters grab everything and it has a slot for a charcoal filter though I seldom put them in.
Nice!
awesome idea and very good explanation!
Thank you. You just saved me at least £500. WIll definitely try this as I live in rented accommodation and the living room where I have my modelling bench as no windows at all
The Ol' Amce Paint Smell Scrubber Device! Suuuuper Guiiiinness!!
This information is very useful for those of without access to a window - thank you for sharing.
So you don't need a fan pulling the air through the tube?
The Fan in the spray booth pushes the air
This is awesome! a few friends have suggested I check this video out and it did not disappoint! The only question I have is about the placement of the exhaust hose. Does it go directly into the water at the bottom of the bucket or just as far into the bucket as possible? Bryan
A member at my modeling club does not have a window close to his bench, will show him this video.
5 GAL Dust collector.
Will try this. I have a room with a perfect perch to vent, problem is it's the garage, it has no air conditioning, and I live in the south, and I need to stand the whole time. So it was torture just learning the ins and outs of airbrushing. I exclusively only use acrylics and don't plan on using lacquers or enamels.
Im confused. You say it gets rid of the odour from the paint by having the paint hit the water. But you also say you can add scent to the water to make your room smell like lemons. How does that make any kind of sense?
Right?? 😂
It makes sense because the water is trapping the smell of the paints going into the water, the water being scented is a stronger smell than the paint fumes. It works and he is correct. Water filters are used in industry all the time. This is simply a smaller version. Besides for the cost of a bucket and cheap filter media what do you have to loose. The only real problem is if you’re not using it a lot your water should probably be changed . Obviously with a lot of use it will also need changing as well.
Omg that’s quite a stash!
That's a cool idea!
Thank you!!! Will be using this hack!! My bench is in front of a window. Lol so no room to vent a future purchase spray booth.
Good luck my friend
Could I use this for enamels like A.K. interactive streaking grime. Or for Tamiya clears. Or Vallejo metal color. Do I need to wear a ventilator at the same time, or vent the room out?
This works with all paints
I would still use a good quality breathing protector (if that is the correct term for it). You will always have some spray bouncing back from the object in your direction.
@marconrustNL for sure, I use a Rhino brand respirator when airbrushing
Been thinking about a solution like this. Want to see if I can find something that will filter the air sufficiently without needing the layer of water. Considering just going with several layers of filter material loosely packed in the bucket.
Alittle off-topic, but I’m desperate. My smaller .2 needle airbrush spits out water sporadically, even though I have a water trap built into my compressor. And my larger .3 needle airbrush doesn’t do that. Can you please give advice?
I’ve been putting together a setup for airbrushing with water based acrylics in my basement; on a low budget so this video is so helpful!! Thank you for providing some great info!
I have this for my booth. Will I need the lid for spraying acrylics? Or can I get away with it just being in the bucket.
I’m a little confused. At the beginning you said to put the hose as far down as possible. Later on you said, “put the hose so that it sort of hits the water”. Maybe it’s me ….but do you put the hose just ABOVE the water? Or IN the water? Thanks for doing this video. I really need something like this.
Where can I find a vent like the one you’re holding at 1:56? What is it called? I want to try and vent out through a mail slot.
That came with the spray booth but they do sell them. It's a spray booth venting set. I believe Home Depot might have them too
Yay! Thanks! I’ve been searching in the dryer hose section with no luck. Thanks to you I found one on Amazon!
What material are you using to seal the hole in the lid? I can't find anything other than HDPE buckets and lids, and apparently, no caulk in the world sticks properly to HDPE. I'd be concerned that as the hose flexes/moves, it will pull the caulk away from the lid and create an unfiltered outlet.
How often do you have to change the water?
Depends on how often you spray, every other week is good. If you spray multiple times a week then once a week is good. Add some dish liquid to the water, that helps
Remember: air volume in, air volume out. The outlet holes need to closely equal the square footage of the pipe opening diameter. Otherwise you get back pressure. If designed to, motors can handle back pressure. Btu I'm thinking these little booth fans are likely not. So the volume of air pushed into the bucket has to escape as fast as it goes in. And even make the outlet a bit bigger to compensate for the filter media causing resistance.
And dish soap in the water breaks the surface tension, allowing the paint to fall through the water surface. Otherwise the paint builds a crust on the surface negating the purpose of the water. :)
Be interesting to see what a simple Thien Baffle would do for paint spray capture. Does amazing for wood dust and is easy to build a not so mathematically accurate unit that still works good.
Adding a heavy duty liner makes cleanup easier (should the water dry up)
How do you empty the bucket? And how often? Neat project…thanks
Just pop the lid and flush it. Replace it every few weeks
What do you do with the water when you need to get rid of it?
Flush it
Thanks, I'll have to 3D-print myself an adapter to do it like that with some usability perks.
Thank you, helpful. But that 8 min 40 sec could have easily been 2 mins tops with all the relevant info shared, without the fill in and repetition. Being economic makes the message more engaging.
Wonderful video!... But where is the Amazon link for that drain plug you said you would give us?
Hi buddy ive just ordered my self a bucket and im going to make this as my set up is in my attic ,so thank for this very useful bit of kit ,from little old me here in england 😅
Pretty ingenious! I vent out of a window, but I can see an advantage to this in the depths of winter.
I was lomb cancer and I just completed my treatment. So, I decided to use 3M mask with paint booth..
How have you kept the spray booth spotless?
I put card board down and wipe the sides daily
Question: do I need to dump water after each usage? Thank you for this tip.
Video that was supposed to be at this url does not play. Instead get 4 minute commercial about heating problems in midwest. Sorry not my problem as I live in California
Absolutely Awesome Sir Thanks For Sharing. Wishing You & ALL YOUR'S a Blessed Merry Christmas 🎄🧑🎄 🤗 Gary.
Merry Christmas Gary
T You 🎄🧑🎄
I have this spray booth in your video. Is the filter roll you linked here ok to replace the filter in the booth? It’s a lot cheaper than buying the pre-cut pads from the booth manufacturer. Thanks
Super cool, I've been wondering for a while now how that is made.
Thanks for learnin me something awesome😁
Im going down to lowes!
I switched to acrylics years ago and l've never had a ventilation system. This seems like a fatanastic idea to use. Thanks
This is actually pointless. The paint particles are already filtered by the spray booth filter. What needs to be vented out of the room are the noxious fumes, which the bucket does nothing to remove.
OR you could put a fan at the opening of the paint box itself, then you could plug it in get it running and have that extra airbrushing pulled into the hose to the bucket, OR you could just glue the fan to the opening of the bucket and lead the hose too it, so when you turn the fan on it will pull the particles of paint through the hose into the fan and down into the bucket of water. Just a though. Seen a Garage turn into a paint booth for vehicles the owner had drill out three holes in the side of their garage and put actual Fans in those holes, but i'd suggested them to add an extra layer of protection for the outside with putting air filters on the inside and outside of the fans so when they turn the fans on the air gets filtered twice instead of just have one filter on. Just a thought guys Great video by the way pretty cool stuff there! :)
"That's a storage room with paints and kits"
Isnt every room in your house described in that way?
So glad I found this. Have been wanting to set up a booth I got but the closest window is a long way away from the area I can work. Was worried I would need to figure out a system to chain some vent fans to make sure it got out. Going to do this!
I'd like to mention you should go with a carbon filter for the top of the bucket to further trap smells
@@barbatosrex9473 awesome I will order some! Do you mind if I ask what kind of sealant you might recommend? I get handy as needed but try to go with recommendations. I have found my local shop will give me some that work but often more as short term hacks. Last sealant they recommended to me would erode the seal long term and increase my costs down the line.
HEY-DAR 👊😎👍: Nice Idea, I need this. Do you have to change the water often, and can I assume spray paints are ok too? Be Watching You Later, (MODEL CAR)🎭(MAN CAVE)
Depends on how often you spray. Every other week is good. Did you see my follow up video with more ways to vent your spray booth indoors?
Do you notice a static charge when spraying in a plastic booth? Does it tend to make paint jobs collect more debris? I want to get a booth, but the metal types are very expensive.
I want to see the dehydrator in use now
Here it is
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You need to make your filters out of carbon based filter. The carbon will filter out the smell of lacquer paints.
I tried to make a water filter with an old bathroom fan impeller but although it was strong for a bbathroom fan, it was not sufficient to pull any real vacuum in the bucket. I'm interested to see how you did it