HTC Vive XR Elite - Detailed Review, Long Term Use
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- Опубліковано 29 чер 2024
- I have been using the HTC Vive XR Elite for almost 6 months.
Here is my full detailed review of the Vive XR Elite, discussing the form factor, lenses, screen, field of view, the passthrough, the comfort, the content library, the streaming quality, and so much more!
I am not sponsored by HTC Vive, nor do they send me the product for free. I paid for it with my own money, and here is my honest feedback about the product in the form of a long term review.
TIMESTAMPS:
0:00 Introduction
01:44 TLDR;
03:27 Form Factor
05:50 Lenses
08:32 Screen
09:24 Field of View
11:17 Passthrough
14:08 Content Library
18:24 Controllers
19:38 Diopters
22:35 Comfort
25:24 Wireless Streaming - Наука та технологія
Great Video! I love the way you did this review. I can't wait until they release the facetracking module.
Hey thanks! and yes me too
I really enjoyed this review. I managed to buy one used for a very good deal, and now it's just a waiting game for it to come in.
Thanks! And getting a used one sounds perfect!
Has it arrived yet?
Thank you this video was very helpful.
Makes me really hopeful for the future
Thank you for this fantastic in-depth review! You really covered all of the bases, and the comparison to other modern headsets is really appreciated.
Could you please tell me more about the developer experience with the XR Elite, and how it stacks up against other headsets you've used? I'd like to know if you have any opinion/preference on OpenXR vs WaveXR SDKs. I also had a hard time finding any information on the workflow for actually pushing a build to the device for testing. I understand you're more of an Unreal developer, but it looks like Unity handles this from the build settings, and you could probably push a build via SideQuest as well. Any thoughts?
Subbed. Keep up the great work!
finally! thanks for uploading the review. how's tracking? specifically controller tracking. also tracking in dim rooms. is there hand tracking?
I find it to be good, have no conplaints. That goes for controller tracking too... I'm not a beat saber expert so can't speak for those requirements. Yes to hand tracking!
I had discounted it because the diopter couldn't correct for astigmatism, but good to hear you can use a third party lens. Also cute transitions in your video when you synced playback on screen of you talking while demonstrating what you were saying
Hehe thank you!
i have astigmatism and for some reasons it works for me? . _ . maybe mine is acute.
@@gemoth65 we would probably need to know something about optics to understand it. But we could speculate anyway. Maybe not relevant or particularly noticeable for that prescription or the effective distance (1.5m?) in headsets? Or: I tried to understand the tutorial on the idiots guide to "Converting a Glasses Prescription To Contact Lenses" web page and in part three they mention adding sphere to compensate for less cylinder (related to astigmatism) so perhaps just upping the diopters beyond your normal prescription with astigmatism corrected for can compensate (maybe only to a certain level - complete ignorance on my part about how light enters the eye at what angle, etc and so on)
Hey whats your opinion on the elite? Still worth picking up? I have a guy where i live selling a brand new one along with battery cradle, wrist tracker, streaming cable, and 30 watt charger. All this for 800 unopened. Should i Jump on this deal? Also took the time to make sure its a legit sale post. Thanks for your time and review!!!
Oh look , he lives 🎉 thank you
heehehe ty
Great review, thanks mate.
We have just got two xr for our school and I was beginning to lose faith (I don't want to go meta...) but I'm really struggling. One set came with dead pixels and the other I can't get to conect to my laptop at all, either wireless or usb with steam installed. It works well as a stand alone but I would like to be able to steam google earth vr for the kids. Hopefully I'll get it sorted.
Keep up the good work.
Oh damn, best of luck!
Great video!
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You need to add subtle music in the background of your video!@@AltVR_UA-cam
@@mohammedsarmadawy362 good point. i'll look to some other creators to see how they do it lol. thanks
I wish I saw this video sooner! I may have to get those lenses, that's the first I have seen made to fit the headset. I ended up talking with my optometrist and we got ski goggle insert frames that fit inside the gasket. They work quite well, but aren't perfect. I wonder if these will work with the face tracker installed or not. (Edit: nope, confirmed they don't on the site, ah well) Unsure the insert frame will.
Good, fair review. Have you tried the MR gasket, face tracker, or ultimate trackers yet?
I have a back injury so unfortunately it's not a perfect match to my needs. It really needs a lying down mode like the quest apparently does, or something like horizon adjustment that VRC has. Still, I am toughing it out because I don't want to wear a "faceberg".
Does motion smoothing works with SteamVR?
How about the USB streaming?Not everyone has a good wifi
I know a lot of people probably will say this headset sucks but the design and image of it looks great. This could be a perfect start on companies deciding what the newer vr headsets should look like. Imagine a tethered version of this that would hook right up to pcvr and steamVR without an internal battery in it. That’d be just perfect
Hey did you ever end up doing this btw? 23:24 Trying to add more foam to the face cushion
I appreciate this review. I was gifted an Occulus Rift and have been using it for about 3 years before the earphones kicked the bucket. I was looking around for my next headset and I wanted to go wireless, and I use it to work out daily so it needed to hit a few key marks. I don't really care too much about ultra resolution, response time, ect. I just needed it to be functional and easy to work with. I also did not want to deal with the specter of Meta or the CCP in my computer with a service that never turns off (or restarts itself somehow).
All the other review sites had too much production, and didn't really answer the questions that I had for daily use. What caught my attention was when you said "it was work" to put it on. That got me. Because I would procrastinate on my workouts because it was always work to put on the headset and get everything going. You said it was effortless to setup, and your daily use just made life easier.
That is what I wanted. It was this review about all others, that pushed me to pull the trigger on an Elite XR. I just wanted to thank you for this.
I agree with your comments on Meta, for me it is far too small. Then I haven't been happy with Vive either, after the Vive and Vive Pro, where they went to 74mm IPD, HTC started to stop at 68mm IPD, and I have 75mm IPD so not happy. My current HDM is the Pimax 8KX and the PSVR2, both of which cater for up to 75mm IPD. They both need mods to sit properly on your head, and balance weights, but they work for me.
Ah yeah, that sucks
Is the Vive XR good substitute for using as a widescreen desktop monitor for video editing and desktop work? That would be my main use case scenario for it. Or should I get a Vive 2 Pro instead, or something else entirely... or just a super wide wrap around desktop monitor.
Rough question. Resolution is decent but still not something I believe I would use, not sure, would have to try it first.
I'd be really curious about the color science for video work. Probably not as important for cutting I suppose
Simula One seems to be made for that
I've been wanting something different too. Been looking for something for graphic design. Gaming is secondary for me. And like you, I didn't want to be in the Meta ecosystem but I want slightly higher end too. Considering the Pimax Light but its not out yet. Interesting times we're in.
Pimax light could be interesting...
I'm more interested in the Violins. You still play? About the review. One of the best I've watched. Thank you!
Hey thanks :) I play sometimes! Started in my 20s tho :)
Interesting that you say. I'm more into music production and I want to incorporate it into VR. I want to have jams and concerts in VR. And not the typical electronic, dance scenes that I only see. My next album is going to be all acoustic. So I have to dust off my violin too.
I’m still trying to figure out if I can play Space Pirate Trainer, The Lab & Raw Data with this via Steam VR? I haven’t been in the VR loop for about 5yrs.. so I’m behind on info. Thanks for good review!
SteamVR works through a gaming PC, yes indeed :)
How are you still enjoying it? I really want to try this, can get it same price as quest 3 and wouldn't mind returning my Q3 as its so uncomfortable and i obly do PCVR
Beware that the Q3 has less glare... I still like it, but I'm jealous of Q3 lenses tbh :)
I'm looking for a good virtual desktop app to allow multiple windows for development, any suggestions? I tried Immerse, but their pc client up in linux was slow as heck and the app does not support pass through. seems they dropped support for XR since they focus own their own VR headset now.
How is the tracking motion to photo (on screen) latency (input lag)? Compared to the valve index? I know it's streaming and also and lcd panel so it's probably slower but it would be great if I can get some input on this.
I don't think I've the means to test this properly, but might try to look into it...
Thanks a lot for your excellent review ... wifi 6E won't make any difference if you already have a wifi 6 with 160 hz band dedicated router for your VR streaming. Wifi 6e will not increase network bandwith but like you said only allow to broadcast the signal on a new band ...
Got the WiFi 6E now :) Mbps went up a looooot
Hello from the only other Norwegian with a Vive XR Elite. Thanks for the great review. It is a really good product. But released a little prematurely. The software and operating system was shit on release. I really, really hope it is not a complete flop for HTC.
Hahah! But yep
@@AltVR_UA-cam @patriark New FOTA update today finally added Norway. I'm not from there, but just saw your video yesterday and thought I ought to let you know.
Agreed, this is a great development tool. Not the best for gaming. I can work with it all day. Good support from the company. Hope to see some improvements over the next few years but am satisfied with the purchase.
How would you compare this to the Vive Pro 2? The slim formfactor and lenses are a plus, but do you miss the lighthouse tracking?
No I don't personally, I'd say not needing them is one of the percs as I can now use it in my living room far away from the computer :-) I'm sure it's not better, but not noticed any drawbacks for my own use at least
@@AltVR_UA-cam What about image quality? Pro2 has fantastic screens with poor lenses while the XR has more modest screens, but much better lenses. I'm assuming the lens clarity is more desirable than resolution/colors?
@@peshozmiata Correct, the Pro 2 would have a somewhat higher resolution but it doesn't really end up mattering in the big picture when the lenses are so weird and it is so big and heavy... Again, for my use case and imo. 120hz is nice on the VP2 too, but 5k 120hz isn't always the easiest to run
your review needs more likes! You are the only one showing actual issues with lenses, glare and screen door.
Are the cameras IR light sensitive?
Would I be able to go out at night and use this with an IR flashlight?
Like deep into the woods, just the headset and flashlight.
hm that's a damn good question, I've not tried... you made me a bit curious tho
@AltVR_UA-cam did you test it out?
@@AltVR_UA-cam yeah, have you? Please let me know if the results of you did. You can just grab a remote controller and push some buttons in the dark and see if you can see it’s LED flashing.
I really wanted to like this headset but sadly I had to return it. The first major issue was that it was extremely uncomfortable, so much so after 30min I would have to take a break because my head would hurt, but this is comparing it to my quest 1 with after market facial interface and the Deluxe audio strap mod. Second it was very difficult to get my eyes to be dead center in the lenses and any slight variation would result in a very blurry view worse than my quest 1.
If steam doesn't at least announce there wireless headset, I just want them to say it's coming even if they say it won't be released until 2026, I might give this one another go. But I would need to find a replacement facial interface maybe even a new headstrap or a mod like the Deluxe audio strap one. I also might have to look into the lenses or contacts since that might be my issue on why it need to be dead center on my eyes.
Hm yeah that sucks! It makes sense that the facial interface could be a bit hit or miss
Get a top strap instead and it'll distribute the weight better and you won't have to tighten it that hard. I remember seeing some youtuber doing that with an xr elite a while back, I can't remember whom though.
I do have it, might try it again
Great. Thanks. You are clearly my people. I also want to not buy a Facebook headset certainly.
You mention Unreal dev. I'm using Unity, I assume that with steamVR would be fine too?
That's the main thing I need, replacing the old wired-Vive with frayed wires.
Can I just connect a cable to have it work as well as the current cable-connection on the old vive? Or will it be forced to be using wifi, or even force me to get a wifi6 to feed to the headset? Any ideas how well it'll work with my crowded tower-block with wifi 5G interference from all directions?
The cable works just fine for me in dev, at least until it frays and makes me need to replace it. If the wifi is too terrible can I just plug it in?
Any idea if I can use the index controllers with it via unity/steam? I love those touch-pads.
Thanks, you're doing a good job there.
First of all, thank you!
So Unity / SteamVr: Yes, this'd be similar. I've not tried the cable much as it defeats some of the purpose for me, but they do support USB.
Not sure about the tower... Depends on too much...
As for index, if you have those pairef with SteamVR it should be fine - but those require base stations and I'm not sure how to combine standalone tracking with base stations... Probably can be done tho, I would google ppl who use Knuckles with Quest and see how they do it (if they do)
I know what you mean, I don't like meta either lol. When I first heard of the vive xr elite. I was like finally a proper upgrade to the vive series that wasn't just something minor. Since I wear glasses, I also was relieved to know this has it's own adjustment dials for that.
Edit: well I got it, but unfortunately the eye dials don't work for me so I'm probably going to need those prescription lens.
yeah i also need lenses...
How do you keep the dust out when swapping lenses?
As a woman who wears her hair in a ponytail, or for anyone who does, this needs a fix and update to be able to wear it more easily with a very very typical hairstyle for more than half the people on the planet.
You could always do a top bun.
@@ColinXYZ that's even worse. Getting that strap over a bun would be even more uncranking and cranking than my ponytail. Brogrammer tech is so sad how extremely myopic it is.
Right! I usually run a ponytail too, not sure what the fix would be here though...
what router did u buy?
TP-link ax5400 with wifi 6E i think
Does anyone know if the headset can be used with Nivdia GeForce now directly?
hm! no idea!
what is that fov test program? @ _ @
I think it's just called testhmd. Not on Steam
@@AltVR_UA-cam thx dude
Had the same problem with my focus 3 with tp link axe75. Could not find the 6e channel. Now im using asus ax58u with 160mhz channel and its working good. I dont know if it is just 6e or if htc opened in Norway now. HTC really messed up with the xr elite in my opinion. They should just replaced the lenses in the focus 3 to pancake lenses. And shortened the controllers little bit. Maby self tracked controllers like quest pro.
wow ok - thank you for explaining - then I will try to see some more today. I love the XR Elite, but paying premium and getting more glare than Quest 3 I don't like...
Kevin: I tried messing around with some settings - and updating firmware, etc...
I have a question: are you entirely sure that it is connected to a 6ghz channel?
On the XR Elite, the Wifi option says "Wifi (2.4/5Ghz)" as if those were the only possible options - and I can only see my 6ghz headset on my iPhone...
Also lmk if you are on Discord, if you actually got this working albeit on the focus 3 - I'd be really interested in learning
@@AltVR_UA-cam it is connected to 5ghz 160mhz channel. Im getting 2400Mbps in virtual desktop
I see, thanks! Now realised virtual desktop is finally available, so I got that myself :) Can't brag about 2400Mbps - but now I'll tune my settings and see what might happen!
I hope you will check out quest 3
wrong channel sry EDIT: Might mention it in a video as I'll definitely try one, but don't purchase Meta products personally
15:15 - You should care about how your Wifi access point looks on your wall, because unless you're in some very weird multifloor house with dead spaces, you have your antennas oriented in a terrible way. They radiate out like a donut if you were to slip a donut over an antenna. Your antennas should generally be pointed up and down, unless you have a specific reason not to. Above and below the tip and bottom of the antenna are NULL points where the radiated pattern is terrible or non-existent. A wifi network engineer walking into your house and seeing that on the wall would immediately adjust it like someone OCD adjusting a way crooked hanging picture on the wall. Point the tips of those antennas to the sky! You know, like cell towers are oriented... at a level somewhere where your head or laptop would be or between.
Right haha, you may be right...
auwsom ass video dude
thanks
@@AltVR_UA-cam no problem (: youre the reason i got this headset
I hope one day they change the levers for gloves
levers?? gloves??
About 30 seconds into the video. Isn't HTC owned by Google? Which is arguably a worse "advertising company" than Facebook?
This old deal was something phone-related... Google does now own HTC nor Vive
No, Google does not own them. HTC were the ones manufacturing the "Nexus" phones and tablets for Google over a decade ago. Those products have long been discontinued and that contract is over. Their relationship was similiar to how Samsung makes the de-facto flagship android phones these days. Google also now make phones themselves under the Pixel brand.
why do he look like he is on the edge of tears
🥹
He's super happy about a super new headset.
this is a good headset, but personally, I can't wait for Meta Quest 3. the support and a huge game library from the meta is great. I don't really care about who owning these companies and what their dramas are. I just enjoy their product. that's all. I think you are really sensitive to these kinds of things. just enjoy your life. who care about those big bad companies anyway. just enjoy their products 😃
Fully undersrandable, but don't worry, I enjoy my life, especially knowing that zuck isn't watching :D
@@AltVR_UA-cam 😄
I know this is an old comment, but Meta is currently in the midst of a lawsuit because they used a VPN they acquired to intercept and decrypt users' Snapchat, UA-cam, and Amazon data. This isn't a conspiracy theory, it's internal documents from a federal class action lawsuit, it's called Project Ghostbusters.
This is the same VPN they payed teenagers to use so they could take all of their web activity, called Onavo.
I don't think it's terribly weird to say I don't want a camera made by them in my house, let alone strapped to my face.
Ok, so basically none of us care about your personal animus against Meta. We only care about the VR headset. I’m not looking to make a social statement via my VR headset choice FFS.
I think you figured out this channel is not for you. Congratulations!