HTC VIVE XR Elite Hands-On Impressions!
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- Опубліковано 29 чер 2024
- We go hands-on with HTC's VIVE XR Elite virtual reality headset to demo a few native games and experiences, sample wireless streaming VR from a desktop gaming PC, and check out features like its hot swappable battery and passthrough visuals. We also chat with HTC's global head of product to dig deeper into the development of the XR Elite and the technologies that HTC has prioritized in this headset.
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I seriously hope the adjustable diopter becomes standard. There are so many people I can't really show vr to unless they buy prescription lenses, which for someone to 'have a try' is waaaaaay to high as a barrier.
they can wear glases in vr. companies like amvr glasses protectors exiust. not a great solution (I bought prescription for myself). but it does allow them to try using glasses
@@legendp2011 Unless their frames are too large to fit inside the headset, like in my case. Then you HAVE to buy prescription lenses.
Agreed. My eyes change yearly but I don’t want to buy new lens every year or 2
Nice thought, but useless to myself and many others with astigmatism. I'd rather see competitively cheap prescription lenses. I got zenni lenses and printed adapters for about $40 total.
@@legendp2011 You shouldn't even if you can. Index was marketed as being 'glasses friendly' but within a few months I had scratches on my lenses. Fortunately valve seemed to be aware that wearing glasses with an index is a bad idea as they offered to replace the whole hmd without me even asking. Then I bought prescription inserts for myself, but my dad can't use my hmd.
Killer video! Loved the review and loved the interview. My headset is pre-ordered and I'm beyond excited to get it! Also demo'd this at CES 23 and was blown away. Great work
So would you suggest to get it the last Headset I had wast the quest 2 and I sold it after 2 weeks but I am looking for a new headset so maybe this one? My only worry is the chipset which is now getting a bit old
@@philstone7763 What are you looking to do with your headset? Do you travel? Are you a gamer?
Great review! I bought the XR Elite and it was a great upgrade from my Quest 2. Just waiting for the new Vive trackers now.
Was the depth sensor functional? So glad to see a thorough impression made by the right channel and reviewer. All essential topics covered. I hope HTC fixes things on its website and provide more details, specs, and pictures for its accessories. It’s comical of what they sell with no points or specs for add-ons. And I wish they would sell custom power banks safe for long-term usage in glasses mode.
Hello Mah! The depth sensor is functional and allows for more accurate positioning. You may find the complete specifications of the VIVE XR ELITE here: www.vive.com/us/product/vive-xr-elite/specs/. For add-ons, please scroll down to the bottom of this page to see compatible accessories: www.vive.com/us/product/vive-xr-elite/overview/. You may also want to look into the VIVE Battery Cradle for XR Series as this provides up to 2 hours of continuous power and adjustable comfort.
@@HTCVive Thank You for your reply. I almost had moved to order another platform. Seeing your response here might help me change my decision. Add-ons remain problematic on-site. Doesn’t show if the case will have Vive and charger included or should i consider 3rd party options for carry on case. No additional pics or video clips in action. Also, cradle details like weight on site or what are charging times or if it can be charged faster. Lot of things feel missing. The weight dimensions weren’t included as well previously. Whole customer experience can be better with amazing product by providing helpful details or clips.
So glad you're still doing VR content. Missing the VR minute and Projections! Are you going to be covering PSVR2?
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Biggest selling point tbh
100% agree....RIP to my Rift S. A great working headset that was killed because I can't get a replacement cable anymore.
This review was very thorough, thank you.
I really appreciate the discussion of pass-through with a book in multiple lightscapes.
Omg, imagine reading while the set picks up on the words and gives you a matching environment. Ambient sounds and AI generated art to match the scenes...
At first I thought reading with this on would be stupid, but now... Hopeful.
It's crazy how small headsets are getting. Under 300g for a wireless headset is wild. I have worn novelty glasses that almost weigh more.
Cant wait to test it out when I get the hands on soon
The diopter is going to make such a difference to my aged care volunteering (Mostly Google Earth via a laptop with a WMR and Wander on a pair of Oculus Go). Wander seems to get ported to everything so i'm assuming it'll be available) once i can afford one of these.
Vision issues are by far my biggest problem when making sure everyone can have a go - about half the residents end up not being able to et their glasses in or being comfortable with glasses and so engaging via the screen mirror instead.
They should have an optional elastic adjustable connector you can use in glasses mode, it'd be great to combine the light weight with secure fit using lightweight materials.
I'm sure if they don't somebody will have a file up on Thingiverse within the first month. A DIY solution that costs you all of a few dollars between the print that works with their magnetic/mechanical latching system and a trip to your local fabric store for some elastic.
We have an optional elastic and adjustable top strap inside that can be used for both AIO and glasses mode.
@@ShenYe That's awesome, thanks for that. Can I ask a question: when you tether the headset to PC, does it automatically switch to PC mode, or do we have to activate it like on Quest?
@@AnthonyFransella You have to do a handshake when you set it up. But once that's done, you'll see your SteamVR and/or Viveport PC content in your launcher, which if you click on will auto connect + start the application to make PCVR life a little easier
@@ShenYe Fantastic, thanks again and congrats on what looks like a great headset!
Thanks for bringing up the internal battery for when you're hot-swapping the main battery. This was one of my bigger questions about the hot-swappable battery limitation.
Lynx's R1 looks set to ship in a month or so, they emphasize "we sell hardware, not data," and I am excited to see capable pushback againat FB's defacto domination in wireless space :>
Norm's back!!
amazing video...thanks a lot !!!!
Oh man wish I could upgrade those adjustable diopter lenses to my OG Vive, that'll be great.
The most amazing thing for me is the diopter. This is an incredible boost to usage. I share the HTC XR Elite with the rest of the family. Being able to change diopter in 2 seconds compare to be looking for different lenses and change them in other VR systems is way to go. Very hapoy with the product. I would consider making optional front gasket larger that is more confortable. Increase surface of contact reduces pressure. Ed
35:10 Foveated compressions sounds interesting. I wish eye-tracking was standard on this headset.
Foveated rendering combined with compression can find a happy medium for performance and latency. I like it.
I would LOVE to HTC make a comeback in the phone arena.
lmfao. No. They are a CCP owned company.
I wonder if there is any plans to incorporate steam lighthouse tracking into the headset via an accessory or otherwise.
This is awesome and cool
If only it came already with eye tracking / those performance benefits, and with a higher res lenses and a newer stand alone chip, 120 min FOV, 120hz., I would have bought it already... now waiting and debating the Pimax Crystal...
my key interest is the Diopter. hopefully it can be adjust to my terrible vision. If so Im very interested.
If your prescription is between -6.00 and 0, then you're covered. -6.00 is the limit on these adjustable diopters.
@@ReavoEnd well poop. 10 on Right, 7.50 on the left. No worky for me.
The hardware in VR is getting better, great. But where are the killer apps that are going to get me to actually buy a VR head thing?
Have to support headsets to get developers to also support?(new apps/games)
I'm looking forward to quest 3. Hopefully it comes thru.
@@hungflo3271 huh? You dont go to a restaurant and buy the equipment for the cooks to use, so I can eat later.
@@ronch182 I mean I hear you. Hopefully psvr2 brings more eyes to vr, but the quest 2 is a pretty cool piece of tech. I prefer it to any other form of gaming and would def be happy if it got more love from devs. Crossing my fingers quest 3 gives stand-alone vr a good bump. Also check out hellsweeper vr for quest.. slated for release in q2, but rn thrill of the fight, contractors, bonelab, questzdoom(doom classic games), blade and sorcery, demeo, saints and sinners are all available now and are great on the stand alone. I have my ideas why there's not the huge budget games, but maybe that'll change in the near future.
I can rattle of the list which occupies me for the equivalent of a full time job every week and has almost displaced my monitor, but you'll just have a bunch of bad-faith reasons to knock them off the list. Go back to your MTX apologia.
This IS the form factor we need.
Yeah actually it's still laughably bulky and uncomfortable. VR is a joke.
looks cool
Battery life, but question.
I saw that in "glasses" mode you had a hand held battery, I wondered if you can get an after market battery with a longer life for longer play time 🤔
This is what I did with Vive pro and an Anker battery to get 4.5 hours of game play from a single charge. And I store on my hip.
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Not having to wear glasses with this is going to be great! I'm someone who sweats like crazy and it gets on my glasses in VR and I have to take the headset off just to wipe off the sweat.
thats going to be great for simulators like MFS2020, Elite and racing sims. i dont like the price though and im stuck with the oculus game library.
Could you tell us, what CHEN is wearing ? The marine blue top... looks nice.
Include screen recording of the headset also Is very important for videos!
Glad the interview got into the weeds.
Wish you had your own VR channel.
My next ideal headset needs the option of lighthouse tracking, plus micro-led or oled.
If controllers are selftracking light house is not needed. Quest pro controllers are amazing playing Golf or table tennis.
@@-racingfan2014 self tracking means 60hz IR-based tracking which is not good enough for modern VR experiences aiming at competitive play. 120hz lighthouse tracking is king.
@@evolicious All VR controllers use IMUs for tracking. Cameras and photodiodes are only used for correcting the drift that accrues over time with IMU based tracking.
Lighthouse tracking updates at 60 Hz. While there is a plane of light projected at 120 Hz it takes 2 of these planes to know where you are in space. The precise frequency depends on the channel the lighthouse is set to so it can run slower than 60 Hz.
OLED is just so much better, as demonstrated by the PSVR2.
@@calcanadian prefer OLED too even with its drawbacks too. Colors and blacks looks way more real.
I really wish they would have went with OLED screens, that would have put this headset in a class of its own.
LCD is the wrong move for VR.
based norm. can always count on him for a hype-less review, straight facts and as objective as possible. big ups each and every time Norm!
Would the HTC VIVE XR Elite be good for virtual production in Unreal Engine 5? Are the passthrough cameras good enough for shooting production quality videos?
I really like the quest pro self tracking controllers…big improvement
Do you think quest 3 will feature these w base product or for an additional cost. My guess $800 for headset w pro controllers.
Norm, you're no longer doing those chat podcasts with that other guy?
Widening the FOV to 120 would make a huge difference
I rather the picture is clear vs getting a bigger FOV.
Nice Video Sir
So strange they aren't enabling the depth sensor for these demos, as that's their big one up on the Pro? You'd think they'd want to show the advantages of it.
They probably realize it has the same issue the Pro had..
@Thezuule Yeah that's what worries me. I'm afraid their gonna ditch it just like Meta did. But the depth sensor is a big part of their marketing so feel like its too late to do that...
It probably doesn't even work right bahahah, no reason to not show it off unless it's brokey.
I don’t get if he was avoiding saying if facetracking module will pass the data to pc vr as well. He did say that eye tracking can be good for foviated image compression, so that sounds like it may encompass it. I don’t know why they can’t be more definite. “Can we get this over vive pro eye for face tracking”? That’s all I want to know
Shen here, yes our eye tracking data will be passed through to support both OpenXR and SRAnipal content.
@@ShenYe great, thanks for clearing that up for me.
We want camera access to run Computer vision algorithms. Example detecting custom patterns, detecting location data. Analyzing visual content for enhancing them without the use of QR Codes.
ok it has been fun now bring back the podcast ok? thanks
I'm not into stand alone VR, I'm in to PC VR. I like that this has a focus set of lense adaptors for those of us with glasses, but I'm reluctant to try Vive after the Pro 2, which had a very small focus area with the lenses and a max IPD less than 70mm. They use to make VR headsets with up to 74mm IPD, and I have 75mm IPD, so anything less than 73mm is not very useable for me. I need to know what the IPD max is and what type of focus area or sweet spot that the lenses have, if it is small then that is not good.
I use a Pimax 8KX, which has 70mm max IPD manual adjustment, then software to get to 75mm, and lenses that have a large focus or sweet spot, it is fantastic, if a bit difficult to get setup and adjusted.
Do these have something similar to airlink?
@@SteveL4 They have a wireless adapter that uses wigig. Its better wifi, but needs a pci slot in your pc and the transmitter has to be near the playspace. Once setup, it works great.
Coolness
Nice :)
Nice.
As much as I love my QPro, I’ve preordered the XR Elite. I think it’s nice to have a foot in both camps, lol!
We're excited for you to experience the VIVE XR ELITE, Tom! Since you pre-ordered, you also get 5 popular titles valued at over US$100. 😉
It won't be long before the passthrough technology surpasses the ability of my aging eyes to focus, etc. I can imagine people using it as a sort of bionic enhancement in the future.
the focal point in the headset is fixed at 1.5 metres (although this does have a diopter). unless they can wire the headset cameras into your brain it will give zero advantage over a thick pair of glasses. we are still a LONG way off from even super high end cinema cameras surpassing the human eye, let along consumer vr headsets. the human eye has 20+ stops of dynamic range, 600 megapixel resolution (although focal point is more like 30 megapixels), and incredible low light
@@legendp2011 it's not about surpassing the human eye. That's like saying fuck the cochlear implant because it's not as good as the human ear
@@lawrence-yx1ew your comparing ears with eyes. instead of looking at the world with your eyes. you are now looking at a screen with your eyes. in both scenarios you are still using your eyes.......and will be limited by them. even if this vr headset had the most amazing camera.... your eyes will be limited.
the cochlear implant has practical uses. what eye conditions could be benefited by looking at through a vr headset? if you have cataracts you will still have the hazziness, as you still have to use your eyes to look at a screen.
and if you have a -10 prescription, bulky glasses will still be more practical than this and give a better clearer image image.
dynamic range is by far the biggest issue with cameras.
glasses are more like the cochlear implant, than this vr headset. it's an interesting idea..........but I do not see this idea going anywhere for at-least a decade.
direct brain interfaces with connected cameras make more sense in a decade.
@@legendp2011 I expect augmented reality contact lenses that not only fix your vision but have the AR features built in ontop of it eventually. Though maybe it'd need to be surgically implanted, not sure, but I bet we'll see it happen one day!
@@legendp2011 I think you kind of missed my point. I didn't say anything about dynamic range or resolution. I have presbyopia, and bifocals are an imperfect solution at best. Goggles could be made that automatically bring into focus whatever I'm looking at, and would be dramatically higher resolution than my uncorrected vision. Technology already exists that surpasses our ability to see long distances or at night. The human eye is amazing, but it's perfectly reasonable to expect that we'll be using tech like this to augment our vision in the coming decades.
I'm looking to upgrade from my vive pro + wireless, but I don't know if this is it for me. I may hold out for big FOV, eye tracking and functional AR. Vive pro already has color passthrough and it's quite useful, beaming wireless to the headset is perfect apart from overheating and I can use my Index controllers
Higher (and uniform) FOV won't happen, it's just not possible with modern lens technology, and won't be for a very long time.
Eye tracking and AR is a gimmick that has no use other than navigating a 2d menu.
Best you can hope for is either going Index and wishing for valve to finally release the wigig adapter they made for it years ago, or waiting for the "Deckard" which may or may not exist.
@@evolicious Some would argue AR is the actual future. Being able to set up complete private environments, controlling your house, taking calls, etc. It's pretty endless. Apps are already coming out now that run AR glasses like Nreal Air. These are prototypes of course, but it's easy to see in 5-10 years that it's going to be very mainstream with possibilities that vastly out perform VR in terms of real life viability and versatility.
@@evolicious bad take on AR.
@@evolicious isn't ffr a big talk for vr performance?
Is the passthrough in stereo or a single camera..?
Do the controllers work on the old htc vive???
I'm more interested in body tracking (waist, ankle) than face tracking.
hmm maybe i will think about this for an upgrade
I was hopeful about the direction of VR a few years ago but now with Meta really not seeming like they have any vision at all for the future and just responding to investors I don’t have faith in them. Another stand alone would be fine, if the platform and experiences were there. Not sold on mixed reality. Don’t really want it, and don’t think the tech is there to make it more than a gimmick right now. I just want good stand alone VR with a good library of games. These days I just use my Quest 2 for fitness but now Meta is trying to buy the company that makes Supernatural VR and I have no idea if they will just ruin it or abandon it.
Without eye tracking, the price just cannot be justified. Eye tracking is what will separate last gen VR from next gen. The diopter is great though.
I personally dont care about eye tracking with this low resolution display but agree that it will make it last gen. However everything is last gen in this device except form factor and diopter. From lcd panel without local dimming and quest 2 like colors, to no self tracking controllers, mediocre resolution and no displayport option or lossless wired option that could maybe justify this price tag.
Would love more details about the logistics of the wireless connection at some point. Does it need to connect directly to a wifi card directly in the PC? Or can it be connected to a wireless access point with the PC connected over a gigabit wired connection?
Over wifi with quest 2 and virtual desktop (protocol software that runs both on the pc and the headset): typical configuration has the pc connected to the router via ethernet cable then the headset connects to the router via wifi. Future headsets will use wifi 6 which will improve bitrate further.
@@spaceghostcqc2137 I mean, that'd be great, except for the fact I'm asking about the Vive XR Elite and the native HTC software... 😂
@@jhoff80 well then I have no clue lmao, this is why you don't post while falling asleep.
@@jhoff80 virtual desktop will be on the xr elite, but if you insist on htc’s software for it, if it’s the same as the focus 3’s streaming software then it’s pretty good just out of the box
And will the $99 D-Link VR Air Bridge designed for Quest 2 wireless PC connection work with this headset, too?
Cool
it is good for as computer works? Not for gaming?
I wish they'd make tethered versions of headsets as flagship devices, I stead of these standalones.
I understand the tech is getting better but it's always going to run more games and do it better from a PC.
This can also be tethered to a pc
@@spydey2k Yes but a big chunk of the price is for the standalone features. There's a large section of us that don't care about that and just want all the money going towards the best PCVR experience
@@Jdb63 Wireless PCVR is far and away the best PCVR experience for anything but sims (EDIT: Which you're not going to beat the G2 for in the foreseeable future, that already pushes my 4090 in sims). You're just being stubborn and out of touch with the tech.
Doesn’t look too bad, but I still think the Quest pro has the slight edge. Better software, better screen, better colours and arguably better controllers.
I think the XR Elite looks great as a travel type headset, small form factor swappable batteries, but for what I want, the best possible PCVR experience (I prefer wired with USB-C for better bandwidth) the Quest Pro makes more sense as it is slightly better in all areas that matter, display, lenses, FOV, controllers etc.
It's good to see HTC finally release a non turd headset again though.
Is anyone else a bit concerned that literally none of these demos discuss the vive app catalog? If you buy this thing does it only do steamvr?
Viveport has a pretty extensive standalone catalogue, in between oculus and pico. Most of the big ticket items and a fair percentage of the mid tier.
After working at Meta for so long it is great to hear a product team talk about the actual product instead of referring to it as a tool to extract data from customers. The product is the product. I hope people realize between Apple's content distro extortion racket and Meta's data aggregation and behavioral programming, this is the only company not offering a dystopian future for the space.
Can I train away the motion sickness? I can play games like Elite Dangerous with head tracking and what use to make me dizzy no longer does.
I lasted maybe 3 minutes with my son’s oculus.
For me I have to use snap turn(incremental/degree turning) and physical turning, as smooth turn makes me sick. I thought I was going to have to return my q2 headset because of the motion sickness. The flight game I tried wasn't for me and I didn't want to keep the game because of motion sickness(2hr limit for returns).
You can. Just take it slow. There are helpful tips online.
The built in dioptre thing is pretty cool I'll give them that. But it won't help with the huge number of people (like me) who have an astigmatism, they'll still need glasses or lens adapters.
One thought crossed my mind the other day. Would it be possible for vision correction to be done in software? You enter your prescription in the settings and the device distorts the image in the appropriate way to correct your vision. Then no dioptre settings or lens adapters would be needed.
I don't know if that's even physically possible, but I feel like it should be. Maybe the hardware isn't good enough to do the distortion accurately and in real-time?
Hypothetically the distortion would probably just be a relatively simple shader layered onto each image, which considering how many videogames can use dozens of shaders at a time, and standalone headsets seem to do fine with most games, I don't think processing would be an issue. Interesting idea! Could be worth looking into. Biggest issue I could see is maybe requiring a different set of base lenses or screens? Hard to know unless actually doing any testing on it.
Unfortunately as nice as it would be, that's simply not possible. Near/far-sightedness isn't just a distortion of the image, but more of a blurring effect as the light does not get properly focused on your retina. That means that no matter how you distort or shuffle around the pixels on the screen, each individual pixel will still end up being defocused and perceived as blurred, overlapping one another and causing a fuzzy (and now distorted) image.
@@gampolo2o But interestingly enough, at least in the case of near sightedness, you would expect for a screen which is maybe 6 inches from your face at best to not give you any issues seeing it, but as someone who is near sighted I can tell you it still does. I'm not too sure if this has to do with the lenses used in the headsets or some other thing I'm not aware of. While dynamically changing lenses would likely still be the far simpler solution, even though it'd likely be far off, wouldn't it be hypothetically possible to invent a type of screen specifically designed for XR applications that didn't require any external lenses, and if (and this is a big if) so, couldn't it be possible to alter the screen's way of presenting itself to your eye's focus in a way that could be controlled by software?
At this point it's like talking about flying cars when horses and buggies were still being used, so I can't say I can expect anyone to have a good answer to this, but I still think it's fun to talk about. 'Not possible' is what happens when you don't think far enough outside the box!
I'm nearsighted as well! It's still blurry for us because even though the screen is so close to our eyes, the lenses bend the light in such a way to make it seem like they're much further away, which actually requires that your eyes focus to that distance.
And while manipulating the flat screen component isn't going to be able to change how the light focuses on your retina, there has been research (by Meta I believe) into flat lenses that can change focal distance with the application of electricity, as opposed to needing to be physically moved. Thin, digitally-controlled lenses like these could allow you to adjust for bad eyesight by just typing in your prescription, or even just adjusting the settings until it looks the sharpest. Who knows, with advances in eye tracking, it may even be able to determine your prescription automatically.
@@gampolo2o That's awesome!
virtual reality without an oled screen doesn't exist for me and this is yet another demonstration.
Huge question, does it work with the Steam Deck?
Natively, no, the steam deck doesn't support VR in the first place, but I do remember that there's a way to get steamVR working on it, and since the guy in the video said it's basically plug-&-play then there's a good chance it might work with that
My only question is does this one support extra wide IPDs? And is there anywhere I can go to try them out?
it's write on the XR Elite site under specs : from 54 to 73mm.
hope it help
@@HesternHaste Well, that is slightly better than most. I'm still hesitant to buy anything until I've had a chance to try one out.
What are you, Sid the sloth?
Is this thing glasses-compatible? I've been sifting through the comments and haven't gotten a straight answer. I'm thinking of getting this as an upgrade from the Oculus Rift S since without Meta, it's essentially a brick.
I think you don't need glasses because it has diopter adjustment
Does it have same games as quest 2? Dies it play steam pc vr?
Hello Benjie! Yes you may play Quest games and SteamVR on HTC VIVE given you have a VR-ready PC. You can find more information on compatibility here: store.steampowered.com/vive/.
What I don't like is the sponge material that is a sweat magnet.
Looks better than the quest pro
I wish I could use this headset with the quest pro controllers. I got the quest pro controllers for my Quest2 and I don't want to go back to having blind spots on my controllers :(
VIVE sells a set of wrist trackers for just that, but they are slightly more expensive. About $129 apiece IIRC.
why not just use the Quest Pro?
@@kevinbrook7033 lots of reasons. HTC has a good reputation for having the cleanest face and eye tracking, even on newer models. Smaller but cleaner optics, portable as heck, clean steamvr integration, the list goes on. I should know; I own a Quest Pro. Even with the addition of the face and eye tracking modules, the XR Elite should be no more than $1250 total. The Quest Pro is $1500 before taxes.
@@xedrexgaming9579 I have a Quest Pro 2, its lenses are phenomenal. I have Vive Pro 2 and it's absolute trash in comparison. The XR Elite does look nice but everybody who has reviewed it has said the lenses are worse than the Quest Pro and are just the same ones in the Vive Flow. The XR elite doesn't even have eye tracking yet so how do you know it will be better?
@kevinbrook7033 because the XR Elite is using the same face tracking systems as the Vive Focus 3, which was pretty comparable to the Vive Pro Eye and it's face tracking attachment, and the Quest Pro doesn't support even close to the range of face tracking that any of Vive's hardware does, simple due to the camera rings and setups. Or lack therof, on the Quest Pro.
Kind of cool but the PSVR style band is way more comfortable
God I've missed Norm
Norm is one of the only people I really trust reviewing VR gear. I will wait till he gets one of these to really review in his own time and pace before buying. I trust he will really tell how the software side of things work - thats almost impossible to find anything about right now.
visual fidelity is all well and good but haptic feedback will be the next rocket boost VR needs.
Actually it will be micro OLEDs. We need to get rid of LCDs as they have been so detrimental to VR.
I don't need that.. haptics are meh to me. Better hardware/performance matched w titles is the rocket boost that's needed.
Built-in diopter adjustment: TAKE MY MONEY.
Integration with flight sims??
I don't understand why the passthrough camera was such low quality on purpose on all headsets, I'm not an engineer in but I can build a headset that can do that with scrap parts
after watching the bigscreen video I couldn't even get through 10 minutes of this before getting bored. the bigscreen device is going to change the game.
I have one Quest 2, I tested a PICO G2, and now I see this HTC Vive, but I'm not impressed : because it's been three years and standalone VR headsets haven't evolved much. 4K resolution is not a big deal (2000 pixels per eye). I guess in a few years we will see real 6K resolution headsets (I'm talking about standalone ones, not the wired ones). I despise the screendoor effect, and while the HTC Vive appears to have slightly higher resolution than the Oculus Quest 2, I will wait a few years before purchasing a new headset. I will wait for the real 6K.
Nobody is saying if it is compatible with index controllers. I'm sure alot of people would want to know that for sure as those are still the best vr controllers ever released.
It’s not compatible with base station tracking, so that’s a no
@@scarletbean7434 nooooooooooooooooooooo
@@scarletbean7434 technically anything is compatible with base station tracking if you slap a tracker on it and use SteamVR .
@@Thezuule1 that also depends on 1. What headset you’re using, and 2. If you have a 3D printer to create a dedicated mount for the tracker
No company ever allows to actually measure the FOV. What do they expect? That people will buy/pre order the headset, see the FOV doesn't fit their needs and be like "aw crap I guess I'll keep it anyway"? Lol. The headsets will be returned. I hate when all the companies advertise the fov but never let testers to actually measure it so people hearing the tester feedback can have some point of reference. Nothing about binocular overlap either. Those measurements should be added to the base spec sheets just like resolution, refresh rate etc. Instead we get a vague 110 DIAGONAL FOV - yeah such a useful information. There are many headsets with the same or extremely close diagonal fov but they have different horizontal and vertical measurements sometimes by a large margin.
Agree, while not happy and also disappointed about no local dimming and no displayport, will still pick this headet up. The form factor and glasses mode Im looking to see if using my headrest on simrig and low weight would make this a good deal. I returned quest pro, uncomfortable, good clarity and colors, but bad binocular overlap.
@@-racingfan2014 I've decided to buy xr elite too when it's out. Meta lost me when they made a discount for US only while keeping outragous 1800 euro price in EU. I would also have to buy controller grips and a top strap mod. On HTC I will have everything I need. Hopefully FOV won't be too small and 3rd party facial interfaces get released along with XR Elite. In case the FOV is not fully fitting I can always buy Quest 3 in October and see how it goes.
They would sell a lot more headsets if they include a year membership to Viveport.
I agree and think they should’ve included at least 3 months of free VivePort infinity. I have already mentioned this to Vive support and they told me this may be added later.
I got my pre-ordered HTC Vive XR elite and send it back, vertical FOV about 90° look like in little holes not full VR experience, and right screen of my XR elite was with more defective pixels, the Vive soft looks like start developing with much of bugs. I don't recommend to buying it.
$1100!!!!!!. THAT BETTER COME WITH A JOB!!!!!!!!!!!!
That's not that much.
For that price it should have DisplayPort, because 1100$ is not mainstream anymore. Then the price would be justified, even with those dated specs. Ah well, it's HTC - their official motto might as well be "We always leave something big to be desired - guaranteed."
@@legendfpv too much for what it is/worth. Prolly by $3-500.
Can it run Virtual Desktop?
I just hope Vive in-house streaming software makes using Virtual Desktop unnecessary. Meta’s Air Link has already made VD unnecessary with both my Q2 and QPro, for me at least.
Hmm Alien eyes ... I wonder ... do the aliens we see pictures of today (the Grays) ... are they just us from the future with AR glasses? 🙂
I'm going to be sporting my Samsung S21 5G and Nreal Air AR Glasses as my first AR office/workspace/Idunnowhat. I can get extra stuff this way since the XR elite is still out of reach for now.
Just bought a pico 4.......way better price.great for pcvr using virtual desktop.
Did you just get in w a pico(no quest 2)?
While the removable head strap is cool for tethered gaming, This needs an after market head strap with a literal removable BATTERY. Not head strap. BoboVR we need you.
Does it not use an XR2+ like the quest pro?
There is no such thing as the XR2+ It is just a marketing ploy regarding a heat dissipation approach on the old XR2 chip.
I'd wait for quest 3, but that's me. This looks like more of the same(quest pro w out pro controllers).
@@1fattyfatman there's more improvements than that.
That you dont have to wear Glasses is a Godsend, should be Standard, but still not worth 1k 😛 Atleast its Developing ahead, i have spend my Money on a Rift S, i will wait a long Time until the Good Stuff is out.
But how is the mic
The major component lagging behind in the VR ecosystem is software, not hardware. Most of these upgrades and changes are nice, but none of them really solve any real problem in the non-enterprise market.
How can anyone say hardware isn't lagging when it's nearly all crappy LCD? Hardware will only be satisfactory when LCD is extinct from VR and we finally move to micro OLEDs or OLED.
Right. Just look at the PSVR2 launch. Of the 30 launch titles I already own like 25 of them on my PC or Quest 2...
@@dtz1000 You'd be surprised to see how little people actually care about LCD vs OLED debate put as a percentage of VR users and enthusiasts.
The truth is that to get to the cost, thin panels, resolution, etc that we want LCD is a requirement not an option. We aren't really lagging behind more than we are just staying in the cost and reality to today's technology. It will take years for microOLED to become an option that makes sense for large scale manufacturers and for users to start caring about it over other factors.
@@QuixoticPenguin Users do care about OLED vs LCD. They just don't realize it. There's a reason why so many people bought the Quest 2 only for them to leave it on the shelf collecting dust after a few weeks. Its not just about the software, it's also about how unsatisfactory LCD is in VR.
I disagree that LCD is the only cost effective choice right now. Just look at PSVR2 with it's OLED panels and how amazed everyone is by them. If Meta had invested their money a bit more wisely then they could have done the same as Sony. But they wasted their money on the metaverse instead.
@@dtz1000 agree oled is possible. It does have still chromatic aboration in PSVR 2 and other quirks, but atleast implement something like local dimming and good contrast like Pimax Crystal is trying if not doing Oled. I started with Samsung Odyssey+ and going to G2 was such a let down when when doing sim racing at night and also for depth perception. I got used to it as clearity was king but it was still detrimental to my VR experience.
I wish they'd release this without ALL of the standalone features specifically designed for PCVR.. Shove some lighthouse trackable points to it like the OG vive, figure a way of getting the refreshrate to 144HZ like the index & boom.. would sell like hotcakes, At least I'd buy one. I have a valve index setup with 3 light houses, it works AMAZINGLY , I wish they'd keep trying to push that side of things too.. not worrying about the head set itself driving games but merely a monitor for your very powerful pc and not worrying about tracking either.