Best Mods For 2.0 TDi Tuning [Seat, Audi, VW, Skoda Tuning Guide] EA188 & EA189 Stage 1 & Stage 2
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- Опубліковано 17 сер 2022
- This video is based on my experience with upgrading my 2.0 TDi I will provide an introduction and explanation of the typical mods people do on their 2.0 TDi, explain what they actually do for your performance and help you to build an upgrade strategy for your own 2.0 TDi project.
Please let me know which car and which engine version or year you have and it will help me prioritize the production list I have.
I also love to hear your experiences and tips, and fully understand that not everyone will agree with my cautious approach, if you would like to see more in depth explanations and complex discussions let me know, I can cover fuel injection phases and turbo spool profiles for example but decided to keep this video accessible to even newbies to the world of tuning and upgrades.
My A3 came with the PD engine a BKD to be precise and I found many mods didn't really do much or work as expected. I later updated the article as the engine was revised and VW group went over to A CR fuel system, so have also based this video on the EA188 & EA189 engines and much of this still applies to the later GEN3 & EVO engines, but because there were so many revisions and updates I will focus on the Gen 3 & the EA288 range in a future video as these require a slightly different approach due to the way they were designed and operate.
The 2.0 TDi came in many power levels and had 3 major revisions and this video will focus on the early PD and later CR revisions of this great diesel engine (Gen 1 & Gen 2 primarily).
The power levels varied from 105hp to 225hp but most were based on either the 170hp or 140hp version. Revisions were EA188 EA189 & EA288 and each generation improved on the previous ironing out the problems and issues which are detailed in the video • Common VW Audi Seat Sk...
I will focus on engine upgrades such as intakes, cold air feeds, camshafts, turbos and fuel system mods. Exhaust mods and DPF removal are also discussed in this video along with the possible drawbacks of these mods & upgrades on your 2.0 TDi engine.
This will contain tips for 2.0 Tdi Stage 1 mods and also 2.0 TDi stage 2 mods and upgrades, most of our viewers will be taking their 2.0 Tdi to stage 1 which is a simple upgrade path, stage 2 takes more money and investment but does offer larger power gains.
Tunes or remaps are the most effective mod for this engine releasing much more power and usually improving fuel economy (depending on your driving style of course.)
We will look at tuning these engines, the best upgrades and mods for them, including 2.0 TDi remapping, 2.0 TDi tunes, Camshafts, Intake mods and exhaust mods and turbo upgrades for the EA188 EA189 & The later EA288 engines will be covered in a future video, although the principles of tuning the earlier versions still applies to the more recent EA288 engines.
In this video we break down each mod and help you fully understand what to expect from it, and how the mod will help your performance (or hinder it).
I will also talk through some typical misconceptions and provide my usual unbiased advice for tuning, modifying and upgrading the VW Audi Group 2.0 TDI engines.
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One of the few videos on youtube where the author gets straight to the point and avoid all unnecessary words. Thank you
Thankyou for your kind words, I hate waffle and gimmicks, so I try very hard to stay on topic and cover as much as possible in each video.
@@torquecars appreciate that🙂 I was wondering what the optimal setup would be on those 120hp engines to squeeze 200-220 hp? From what I learned in the video - bigger turbo, maybe aftermarket intercooler, remapping ofcourse and was it injectors you mentioned? Spesifics on what turbo and injectors please🙂 thank you
thank you , bald owen wilson!
He's my brother from another mother! lol
Proper 🥚 head
Brilliant video! Very informative and well presented, I’ll be watching again and again now as I have a golf gt tdi 170! Cheers
Excellent video mate 👍
Brilliant video, I learned a few things today that's for sure!
I've just acquired an old 2010 golf estate 2.0 TDI to replace my much loved Z4 (for practical reasons). I didn't realise I could have practicality, power and fun all at the same time. Loving your channel!
Loved the content, very easy to understand
Thank you, TorqueCars and UA-cam, for a remarkable account of such tuning.
The presenter's confident, well-spoken style is exemplary
Endless knowledge ❤❤❤❤
This channel is so underrated. really excellent helpful information
Glad you think so! I don't think this will ever be a big channel, we just don't have the team and budget to promote and were not in it to make money but if I can help a few people along the way that is a good thing. Thanks for your support and comments they are appreciated very much my friend.
@@torquecars where in the UK are you based
Cheers mate, nice one
You know your stuff thats for sure!!!
I have an 04 A3 2.0TDI 140hp. I put a turbo from a Q7 4.2TDI and did a remap. 210hp is pretty nice.
Awesome overview, great to hear from someone who knows what they are talking about! Your website is exceptional as well, I've been heavily involved in tuning and modding the VAG diesels since 2008, I still learnt a thing or two from reading pages on your site for a bit more info, so kudos.
The sweet spot on my 140 hp EA189 ( BV40 stock turbo ) is the GTC1549vz from the 130kw Audi's etc, so you are spot on about pinching parts from the same era better performing models. Incredible results and street drivability ( tweaked DSG sure helps though ).
Love your work man.
i got VW CC EA189 177BHP with GTC1549vz , dpf off i got 228bhp and 480nm however there is no way to make it a hybrid sadly..........and i want more power
I have Audi a3 8pa (sportback) 140hp bmm cr engine with 8 valves, full s-line model with exterior & interior & suspension s-line (really makes a difference between that and stock equiped a3).
And since i was driving an 130hp 4x4 suv before which is really slugish, when i bought a3 it was really good and springy, buth when i got used to the power and responsivnes of the engine it was okay.
And few months ago i got it a custom remap, makes nearly 180hp, and i sat in the car and drove it and it wasn't all that better ( because i'm mostly driving it easy on the gas pedal and in 1500-2000 rpm range), and then i drove it sharper for the next few kilometers and you can really feel that power diference, engine is much sharper and more responsive on the pedal and just pulls harder.
Now i'm considering going a step further to get about 210-225hp so i have three questions:
1- Do i swap a turbo from a3 170hp variant and do a custom remap or do a hybrid turbo of 140hp version, which would be better?
2- Would i need to upgrade injectors from 170hp variant or the ones i have would be enough?
3- Do i need to upgrade intercooler too or not? ( i dont think so because i drive the car normaly and softer on gas pedal about 80-90% of the time i drive it).
Thanks
Great detailed video. Subscribed and looking forward to learning more about my cjaa.
Thanks for the support and encouragement my friend I'm glad you've found it useful.
My 2.0tdi cr engine was only 102bhp as standard had it mapped stage 1 to 200bhp with nothing changed at all and for last 4 years not a single fault and i drive the hell out of it, brilliant engines
2011 Mk6 tdi usa- 2nd owner with less than 1000 miles left on the limited warranty the dpf died. After months of back and forth with the local dealer ship and having to email VW of America to replace the clogged dpf i realized America vw has no idea how to fix vw Diesel's haha. Anywho. After that chaos of that getting replaced I got the Kerma tune #1 and dsg tune. Its been a great car but diving in the city on short drives you slowly f**k yourself in a bad way.
On long distance drives close to 80 mph with 19lb wheels (heavy 🥺) i average 43-50mpg after diesel gate I'll take that as a win. This car has been a consistent motion of looking at the glass half full ❤. It gets me there. This Video Was Great and Informative. Thank You!
Great info man. Looking to tdi swap my jeep here in canada, your videos helped me learn much bout tdi. Apprecite you
Thanks for your support my friend and reach out if you need any more info. Me or one of our viewers is sure to point you in the right direction.
Ignore my comment on your other A3 modding video, questions answered! What a knowledgeable bloke, awesome content thank you!
I wouldn't say I'm knowledgeable, the more you learn the more you realise there is to learn about something. I'm just passing on the things I've picked up over the years to help others out. Thanks for your kind words and support.
Great informative video 👍
Glad it was helpful!
Was mostly talking about older enignes pre 08 my 2012 gained massive benefits from a exhast as well and doing the fuel pump on engines with cp4 pumps is a must the cp4 is known for failing and destroying the entire fuel system and the cp3 gives beyter mpg and resposiveness the turbo upgardes were sumwhat right considering power levels from them but they armt the 2nd thing you really need to look at is in my.opinion exhast and tune fuel system trans tune and then start lookin at turbos you alr have traction issue's with just the fuel system and exhast the turbo just gives it more top end
Thank you, very educational
Glad it was helpful and thanks for supporting my little channel.
@@torquecars Am sure your channel will grow. As it has nuggets of information. There are continents of people who will slowly discover this.
Thank you 👌
I fitted an Audi sports exhaust to my 2.0tdi company car a few years ago while working in an Audi dealership. Not sure about a performance improvement but it did sound nice. A mix of Subaru and V8
Very interesting video! I have a EA288 DFHA engine ( Skoda Kodiaq 190 HP AWD). I have remap it to 223 HP. I have added a K&N air filter. H&R sport suspension and 20 mm spacers. I have also applied some mods with OBDELEVEN (increased traction for Haldex system and direct pedal acceleration).
The car feels now complete different, you wouldn't say it is a SUV. The 0-100 time went from 8.6s to 7.3s. The next mod that I have in mind is to change the stock 19" Skoda alloy by something lighter and better like (Momo+Michelin Pilot Sport 4 SUV)
How did you do this witzh the haldex system? driving an octavia nx awd with 200hp.
What year is your Skoda?
Thanks for sharing 🙏
congrats on supporting my country and buying the best car in the World!
I’ve seen 2.0tdi with 450bhp ! Absolutely insane torque and pull
If I were to do it myself id do a golf R replica estate with 4 motion
Power with plenty of Grip
Wow you really do know your stuff don't you. Thanks for the info.
2004 a3 8p bkd pd140 here, almost 200k miles never missed a beat although turbo whistles for the last 40k miles
My BKD lasted me nicely too, they are great little engines. Are you going to do a turbo upgrade when it needs replacing? Don't let the turbo die, it can cause all sorts of problems, if you start getting smoke or oil leaks get the turbo replaced.
I drive the EA189 original 170hp with a downpipe and egr delete mapped to 200hp and 400nm because it should stay reliable. I have 255k km now and its all fine.
Great video
Glad you enjoyed it.Judging by the feedback and watches I need to do more on this great little engine video wise. Thanks for your encouragement.
@@torquecars definately need more vids on 2.0 tdi's really benefiting from all this info
VW T5.1 2014.yrs 4Motion, 2.0tdi 140.hp after remap 181.ksThe best thing ever done💪💪💪
Thank you very much 🙏
Glad it was helpful! Thanks for the support and encouragement my friend.
@@torquecars I've got 2006 BPW 140hp 8v. Would you recommend remapping and what could go wrong? I've just reworked my turbo
@@torquecarsWhat is your take on Turbo Muffler Delete?
Thanks in advance
I have a 2009 Audi A3
Few years now K&N helped with initial pick up and pays for its self over time
Remapped 140-180 soon after had to replace turbo diversion valve as not holding vacuum. Plus the manifold intake position error. (I believe the internal plastic worn over time) Instead of a costly new manifold bought a cheap eBay metal stopper works fine error cleared .
Was that a panel filter or cone induction filter kit? The seals on those wastegates/diverters can be a pain, glad you got it sorted cheaply and easily.
@@torquecars panel filter so just replaced the paper . sold that car now bought a 2012 VW T5 2.0 tdi think its a similar engine 140 bhp got 289K miles seem to be going ok think the milage a bit high to remap it , plus its a auto DSG so may need adjusting with remap to 180 bhp.
Something something darkside... 👍 cfhd here
I have a 2.0 TDI 150ps (CRLB) with the intake modified so its able to suck in way more cool air, which also lowers the IAT significantly. My TDI is pushed to 200ps 450nm. Thats the max of these. With a 184ps TDI turbo (GTD1449VZ) it can do about 220ps and 480nm. I might go for that upgrade in the future.
Thanks for the support my friend.
I have the same engine. What have you done to the intake?
I have that same engine on a SEAT Leon FR. If you want 220hp dont need to swap turbo, just hybrid the original (BM70B) it makes 220 / 230hp safe. Thats my setup with downpipe and BMC air filter
@@miguelmonteiro5094 any issues with a DMF? About to tune mine and worried about DMF shudder
Exhaust setup for best sound on a TDI is Straight pipe!
Very interesting video! I have a 140bhp PD engine. I'm looking for a way to make my way to work a little bit more joyful.
As I normally work on petrol cars the diesel is new for me. So this eas quite helpful for me.
Thank you.
Glad it was helpful! Thanks for taking the time to comment, it makes the hard work of producing these videos worthwhile.
@@torquecars Thank you for doing videos like this. Will continue watching your content. Just followed the channel. Have a great sunday😉
The 140 2.0 PD is a nice engine as standard, a light remap should give you what you're looking for. You'll easily get it to 170hp.
Have an 06 TDI poor economy and 140 hp worst with sport package 17 wheels lowered and sports exhaust so bigger turbo and remap the way?
I've just found your channel (subscribed) and I'm finding all this very informative, I've owned my 2009 Audi TT TDI Quattro 2.0CR 170bhp for a few years now, and do keep thinking about a remap, but the ones I've looked into some raise the Torque over 300 ft-lbs (+400 nm) from the standard 258-260, and I'm a little concerned about blowing the clutch out with all that Torque having had a DMF clutch go on a previous car, which cost me Thousands to get replaced, so really don't want to do that again, your comments on this would be appreciated.
Thanks for this tdi tuning guide. Very helpful and comprehensive. I have the CFFB a solid little engine with good tunabilty. The remap really does bring the 104kw/140hp engine to life. It removes the initial lag and gives it the pep it should have come with from factory. I call it "removing the grandma mode". I'm gessing they save they save the peppy tune for their Audi group cars.
My tune comes from Viezu (local to you, I'm in Australia) it's good for the price. I'd say a bit conservative in it's mapping but that allows for better overall reliabilty, and slightly better fuel economy.
Slightly off subject, what do you think about DSG tuning? Is it a good drivability mod or is really a race track mod?
DSG tuning is worth doing, but work out what you want and get a tuner that can set it up for you. If you can tweak the sport mode and leave the stock drive alone it will give you a two trick pony. Going too extreme on the DSG change points can cause excessive wear though.
The stock tunes certainly leave a lot to work with, but I think if these all had 200hp they would never sell a petrol engine again so cynically I think they dialed them back.
Can someone with real world experience tell me the spool difference on a stock mk7 ea288 (US version) compared to a gtd1449vz? Or compared to other chargers he listed. I’m after spool, it needs to spool better or same as stock. Or compared to gt1749vb?
I’ve a cr140 and I’m just wondering what kind of mileage on an engine would you consider to be too much to do modifications to? Thanks,
Hi, i have a 2016 mk1 tiguan tdi r-line 150. Can anyone tell me which of the turbos would just be a straight swap before i remap it, im looking to get bewtween 200-250bhp. Thanks
I have a Passat CC 2009 125KW CBBB. The car has been maintained well, on time oil changes. It has brand new clutch kit(dsg) but the enginer has 250.XXX km on it. Is it worth it to have a Stage 1 on it? Also, is it possible with DPF ON and EGR ON?
Hello. I drive an audi a4 b8 2.0 tdi 143hp, I turned off the dpf, egr and remap to stage 1. I wonder if I put the original turbo but from 170hp, would it gain power without further remap and how many horsepower? thanks in advance
Hello I am looking at putting 2 2.0l tdi in my 30 foot boat. The only two requirements I have is that it has to run at 3800 rpms all day. The second one is that it has to have 190hp. Exhaust is a wet exhaust and currently I have 2 ford gas 351 v8s. Is there any recommended years and mods I should do. Keep in mind that this is in a boat. So it is off hwy and emission except.
What's a good bang for buck intercooler for a a4 b7 2.0tdi BRD 170 that's remapped to 220??
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I got a 2006 Golf Mk5 BMN , love the car , and for a while I'm using only premium diesel which really gives the car a good feel overall, just bought a bkd inlet manifold to remove the swirl flaps and to clean the egr , my only problem is that the sometimes in a few conditions the engine sounds way more louder( only when moving) if I park it and leave it run it stays at 1000 rps but after 30 seconds it drops back to normal at 800 and the loud sound stops. I'm gonna check the injectors values one of this days but I'm afraid to see 🙈. Any ideas what would create that problem? Try to take care of it with the premium fuel and oil and filter changes at 6000-7000 miles with 5-30 ravenol and mann filters.
DPF regenerations, raises idle to 1000rpm and EGT's go through the roof. It will smell super hot, it's burning off the soot but dumping extra fuel that explodes in the mainfold / DPF itself. Radiator fans will run for a time after stopping, and unless you finish the regen it will keep trying to do it on next startup. Happens about every tank full when new, drops to about 400kms as it fills, down to every 50kms when almost terminally full.
Channel is underrated. I would like some help. I have a golf 2.0 TDI GT 140. 2010, that was involved In the emissions scandal. I am in the process of buying the 170 turbo, apparently from a Leon FR. I just don't have confidence in buying. How will I know. And can I hybridise this new turbo please, or is it better to just hybridise the original? Thank you very much
I am thinking of upgrading my Audi a4 2.0 TDI, i got the 140 BPW version. I got dpf off and egr off. I would like to get around 200 bhp on it. Should i work on the turbo/intercooler or stage 1 dpf off/ egr off remap should be enough? I still got the catalytic converter
I have the same car, a simple remap pushed it to about 170 while being really cheap. I´d say its enough because a high quality turbo is quite expensive, but if its worth it for you, id go for it
I've got an 07 bkd, so a 170bhp turbo, remap, better intercooler and an aftermarket panel filter should be good enough for me I reckon
I had the BKD too in my A3, they are one of the best engines from this era. Let me know how you get on your plan looks pretty solid to me and should see decent power gains.
i got a3 8p 2.0tdi 140hp , if i go 170 turbo do i need injectors from 170 as well?
nice chanell thx for good explanation,i have passat altrack 2.0 tdi, 2014. 177 hp dsg 6 speed any suggestion to upgrade dsg or remap.i think this motor take a too much fuel cca 800 km with full tank of diesel
Just run a 2 to 3 inch. Straight pipe for your exhaust. Skype, if you are increasing the amount of boost and air going into the engine, the air needs to be able to escape from the engine
What about the cbea engine is it a reliable one?
Heya. I have a pre facelift 2008 a3 8P, it’s a 2.0 TDI 170 it has a nasty and very loud rattle on start up. Any ideas what this could be ? There’s no warning lights and no loss of power
hey man what kind of turbo would you recommend for an Audi A3 8y? I have the 2.0 150hp engine remapped to 225hp. I wanted to get it closer to around 300-350hp
Is the car still alive today?
Hi. Very nice video. I am looking for general info what can be done with 2.0tdi 140 kw (superb 3) engine apart remap. It is a durable engine for +-300hp?
Glad you enjoyed it and thanks for the support and encouragement my friend. I would recommend a turbo/injector & fuel upgrades and remap to get you to the higher power levels. You'll have traction issues on a FWD at around 250hp on those.
I have a 2018 2.0d Touran, I would love to improve the grunt for 2000rpm to 2500rpm, ideally through mapping, but I don’t want to compromise the DPF or EFG efficiency, i do currently motorway mileage @ 2000rpm maximum, I just would like some more ‘get up and go’ if possible?
Many thanks.
I have a 57 plate 2ltr tdi stage 1 tuned, what can i do to get even more hp and a nice throaty exhaust sound please ? 🙏 its a scirocco rline btw 😊
Wow, great video, thanks, I'm just your average Jo about to buy a 2012 golf 2.0l TDi , but I'm seriously thinking about some of the upgrades you have talked about, I'm just not sure how to identify the engine model number. Can you suggest a source of info relating to reputable mappers as well please, I live just outside Portsmouth but like I said earlier I don't have a clue. Your wealth of knowledge is outstanding and I'd love to chat face to face once I have my golf. Once again thankyou.
I found I didn't have time or the insurance to give one on one advice, so started this channel to help multiple people out at once - thanks for supporting my little channel. Fire up any questions on here on on my website www.torquecars.com and I'll try to make sure an answer comes your way, via an article update, video or a reply.
Check your v5 bro engine no is there it's the last digits that matter, I'm in Bournemouth I can't do your mapping (yet) but anything mechanical or advice from a tuners perspective hmu I'll advise if I can....
Ahh just saw you haven't bought yet, check engine vin behind brake lines or do a Google It shouldn't be hard to find...
Do you think it’s possible to add a turbo to run alongside the factory engine and turbo but set up as a compound system. I’ve seen plenty of rear mounted turbos. I have reasonable mechanical skills an I could make the exhaust myself. But is this a stupid road to keep going down? I’ve got an high mileage 8PA so I was planning on changing the engine myself anyway.
Anything is possible, but here are my thoughts.
Flow from these engines is quite low, the RPM redline is around 5000rpm so there is not much scope for spooling up two turbos.
Space is limited in most engine bays where these are fitted.
Running two smaller turbos will mitigate these issues and should give a decent spool up and power delivery. You could run into fuel issues as you would with a larger single turbo.
Audi did produce a biturbo variant of these engines, that might be a good starting place for parts and specs.
Great video, really interesting. I am looking to buy 2017+ Golf or Passat but I am confused about the different TDi models eg, 110tdi, 135tdi, 140tdi, 147tdi. Is there much difference between these models and their components? Or can I just tune the 110tdi up to 140tdi easily? Feel free to do another video explaining the differences lol!
It is confusing isn't it. I'll be focussing a video on the GEN3 2.0 TDi as these were quite different to previous versions and I'll cover this in that video. The more power you start with the greater the tuning potential, often the lower spec engines have smaller injectors, weaker internal components (head bolts etc....) and different turbo units. But it is usually easy to bump these all up by about 30-40hp with a simple remap.
@@torquecars awesome, I look forward to that video.
Brilliant video I've currently got a passat cc 2011 2.0tdi 140 bhp currently have d.pf removed and egr deleted was wondering wat more could do for more power
The remap and turbo upgrades are your best bet on these IMO. I am working on a Passat video right now so watch this space, it'll cover handling as well as power mods. Have you done anything to the intercooler yet? What power are you running now with your current mods?
@@torquecars haven't done anything yet as just as I had said before was wondering wat best to go for and not to ho to mad but just enough was thinking a turbo tho haven't a clue mine is the original 140bhp standard was lookin some advice as to get something get bolt on stuff if that's possible
Hi was wondering as my standard passat cc2011 2.0tdi wud itvbe worth putting on an better intercooler as I was looking to upgrade the turbo to ko4 hybrid think mine at moment is standard ko3
I found the stock intercooler warmed up very quickly on mine and this saps power, so I do recommend intercooler upgrades on these, especially after a remap or turbo upgrade, unless you rarely use the upper third of the RPM range, where the stock intercooler will stay relatively cool.
@@torquecars thanks yea going to upgrade the intercooler then the turbo tho by changing these parts would I need to change any thing else support the upgrades so u don't ruin the engine
Sorry for the stupid questions, but in my a4 b7 2.0 tdi BRD which motor model is that? Between PD or CR?
Hi, will CBBB 170hp 2.0 TDI stay still reliable after remap? And also You don't actually talk about clutch and gearboxes, because after an engine tune they will also suffer and we have to upgrade them. For example I have Audi tt mk2 2.0 TDI manual gearbox and not sure if gearbox will survive tuning.
Yes it should be fine, but it depends on the map and how much extra power. The autoboxes are "weaker" than the manual ones & they generally have a torque limit set in the ECU to protec them.
I have a video reply for you coming out this week (Friday I think) that you should find interesting, it discusses the options for a virtually risk free mapping experience on an older or higher mileage engine. The Clutch and DMF will usually take the beating instead of the gearbox, in fact I've not heard of gearboxes going after remaps, just worn clutches giving up.
Good explanation.. But did you ever tune or seen a 2.0 CR (ie 150ps)
No intake kits needed..standard intake can be modded to direct easy.
IC on CR is actually water cooled - so its shit.
Best option..disable EGR and even remove DPF ...then remap
No need play with cam pulley timing.. stock turbo can delliver nuff Nm to wreck 6 speed gearbox
430Nm-440Nm is usually max..and limited by stage 1 remap
On PD's u can mod just 1 sensor to get 20% gain.. (by exploit factory margins) ;)
Most FWD diesels have traction problems...lower 60/40mm helps a LOT
Really informative video! I have a related question: I have a 110hp EA288 I want to tune and I've heard different things about the 228mm clutch and 5-speed gearbox the engine is mated to. The gearbox at least is supposedly rated to just 250nm of torque, which is what the engine already generates stock. Even the "safe" remaps I've seen bring this up to 350nm (with 165hp), not to speak of the 400nm of high torque remaps. I haven't seen figures for the stock clutch (Skoda Yeti 2016). Upgraded clutches such as the Sachs one supposedly take "15% extra torque above stock", but I wonder if this will just pass the burden to the transmission, which will be even more expensive to replace. Do you have any experience with remapping this engine in terms of its effect on clutch and transmission reliability?
Don't worry too much about the manual transmissions, these are pretty solid across the board - the dual mass flywheel cuts out many harmful vibrations and keeps it running smoothly. DMF's do fail at higher mileages whether you remap or not.
Clutches usually go far beyond manufacturer quoted tolerances. I would usually try the map and see how the clutch fares with it, I've seen low mileage clutches slip and high mileage clutches cope without a glitch so it depends so much on the condition of a clutch.
If you start to experience slipping which is normal as a clutch starts to age anyway but a remap can hasten this up then replace it with a more solid upgrade option. The Sachs units have a good reputation.
The other thing is that although peak torque is at 350nm will you be in this zone for much of the time? For many drivers this will only be a blip now and then with most of the time spent at the lower torque, low load, low RPM ranges.
@@torquecars Thanks Waynne for the really helpful reply! That's good to know re the 5-speed transmission --- I've read the same line over and over again about the 5-speed box being weaker but have seen very few reports of failures even with remapped engines, so even if true that they're weaker it doesn't seem to end up mattering.
The map I'd probably get has a fairly nice-looking table top on the torque graph but it does reach 350nm by around 1750rpm before further increasing a bit more to the peak of 365nm at around 2500rpm. If this sounds too aggressive perhaps the tuners could shave the corner off the table to get a more gradual increase. Failing that, I do consider myself a fairly smooth driver, so with the kind of throttle inputs I'd be using at that point early in the rev range, perhaps the peak torque wouldn't be being generated.
I'll keep the uprated Sachs clutch in mind then and consider upgrading to it at the very first signs of slippage. Alternatively, would pre-emptively changing to it allow me to keep the existing DMF, which may well be in good condition, or do you always recommend changing it along with the clutch?
What about a bigger down pipe and meth-water injection after a bigger turbo better cams and a Re-map.?
I use a Pro-Dry S reusable air filter on my 2011 2.0 tdi jetta seems like better mileage just fyi
Hi, can you just bolt a 170 turbo onto a 140 Vw golf 2008? Or are they different fitments? Cheers
Usually works ok, but the fitments do vary slightly, beware that transverse and longitudinal mounted engines have quite different arrangements for the turbo in some cases. It is my understanding that most if not all of the 170 turbos can be modified to be bolt on replacements if they are not, there are a few tutorials around on how to do this. There were also some revisions over the years so choosing a donor turbo from the same year range improves the chances of an easy swap.
Nice video!
What tehnical issue y Will have if i delete the dpf and egr from map at 2.0 TDI CR(CFHC)??
If i do that i must upgrade something?Thank you!
Are you just doing a software delete or are you removing the DPF & EGR? A software only delete will cause problems, especially on the DPF as it will still clog up and not enter the regeneration.
Both can be removed and deleted, I would also get the mapper to increase the power a little whilst they are in there, and this should give you a little more power to play with.
EGR & DPF removals are illegal in most areas, so do check your local regs to see if this applies to you.
@@torquecars I whant to remove The DPF mecanic and from map and the EGR from map.(IT request map and blank it too?)
The question is...after removing The EGR Will help The engine or The temperature Will distroy The engine and gasquets?
Thank you!
I got an 2005 assist a38p with the pd140 bmm. Im rebuilding the engine rn with stock components and it’s going to have a stage 2 turbo bolted onto it sich hooked up to 260hp. Where can i take it to my fuel system is limited?
Is the bkd engine Wisley like a siren
I have an Audi A4 163hp and am considering remapping to either stage 1 or stage 1 eco… I take it wont need any extra upgrade but the remapping itself, right?
Yes a remap makes quite an impressive difference on these, but always use a specialist that knows these engines and who can run a full engine diagnostic before tuning to make sure your engine is in good condition.
Probably a silly question but how to tell which engine you have I have the 2012 audi a3 s line black edition
There are a few ways to tell firstly you could, find your maintenance or service booklet on the front page - it may also be showing on the registration document as an engine code - the 3 or 4 letters are usually the engine code. Also the engine will have a code physically stamped in it it is found on the driver's side front on the engine block. You may also find the engine code on a stamp on the cylinder head.
Hi Owen - what if you updated the turbo on the EA288 140 with the 170 turbo and no remapping would that help - or is remapping a requirement?
Thanks
You should really remap, the ecu contains the fuel, boost load etc and if you've swapped the turbo these need adjusting. In some cases you get away with a straight swap as they are "similarish" you'll not have much more power, a slightly different boost profile but in most cases you'll get an error code/limp mode and an over boost condition but it will depend on the way the turbo was setup when it was installed.
Thanks for the info! I’ve just recently got a 2016 Skoda 2.0 tdi 148hp - I think I might just go for a remap - any advice? Many thanks 🙏
I've got an A3 8p with the CR140
I've got a darkside developments FMIC
And DECAT to go on
Will there be anything else before I get a stage 2 map?
it depends how far the stage 2 will take it in terms of power. Fuel is the next area to focus on, but talk to your tuner and they'll explain where the limits are when they pull a diagnostic read from the car. I would also recommend a K&N cotton gauze panel filter on that.
Need more Informationen about tje 2.0 tdi cega ea189
does anyone know how much power the engine can make befor it blows upp?
I have a question, how to check which type of engine for my car? I'm not sure whether CR or PD? Mine is Audi A3 8P 2.0 tdi 2009.
CR came in on the A3 around 2008 so your's is almost certainly a CR version. The Engine code is stamped on the top side of the engine block and is typically 3 or 4 letters along with a serial number unique to each engine.
Engine code is also in your v5....
Hello guys. I want to buy a golf 6 plus 2.0 TDI CR 103 KW/140 HP. I want to know which engine code has the lowest problems. I just know that i should escape the first 3 years of CR engines, so i should go 2012-2014 year model. Or can you suggest some 2.0 tdi engine code even if it is not in golf 6 plus. It can be tuaran, passat, jeta....or maybe some skoda model. Thank you a lot.
Looking at getting a Passat 2014 plate 170bhp. Its got a good service history but has done circa 90k miles. Still okay for a basic eco or stage 1 remap? Subscribed.
I have a 2014 ..how do you tell if its the 170 or 140
Im super new to working on my car, I just got a 2012 Jetta TDI 135k km on the engine, automatic, what would you recommend in upgrades? I am basically looking to keep this car until it dies so I want to get the most fuel economy and also the best chance of it lasting a long time :D also if its possible to send me links to any parts since I am not mechanically inclined so finding a part will be almost impossible with my knowledge. Also I live near Toronto about an hour away so if there is any places to tune anyone knows that are in the Toronto area please let me know thank you all so much!
Golf mk6 110hp and 140hp are the same engines, just mapped to different hp.. ive got mine 110hp tuned to 185hp just by remap, bcs its using the same components as 140hp..
Hi mate great video can I ask which 2.0 tdi engine is best and which one to not buy any of your input would be greatly appreciated ❤
The BKD PD was a real gem the last of the PD engines. I would try to avoid anything 2008-2010 with a DPF if possible unless it had a full service history and receipts for the common problems, this was also when the emissions scandal problems hit and general other quality issues but from 2011 these were back on top as fantastic engines when the gen 3 EVO version came out.
Thanks so much, can I ask what years were the bkd and pd engines, also can you swap the injectors from the later engines into the earlier engines. Thanks for your great work and support 👍
BKD & PD ended in 2007/2008. The later CR engines are pretty different but there are lots of injector and fuel pump upgrades around for these. Try Darkside as a starting point.
There are used VW touran 2.0tdi models from 2016+ amd they can have 190hp. Simple tune ca get that to 225hp without any mods
Hi, I’ve got - 2018 Touran 2.0d, was looking to add some grunt without tune other than mapping but not mess with the EFG or DPF, any ideas?😅
Nice
Lots of info
Do you have same info about 1.6 tdi from VAG ?
Thank you
A few have asked so I've bumped this up my production list. From my research so far they are pretty good engines. A simple remap on that should give you around 45hp more power and 55lbft of torque for max economy a remap of around 30hp should be in the sweet spot for power vs economy and be better than the stock setup. It has the EDC17C64 ecu on it. Stock power at 103hp just seems to low when you consider what this can do.
@@torquecars thank you for answering me
I already did a stage one
Now after 60k km I'm thinking to upgrade the intercooler and turbo charger with some frome 2.0 tdi
I don't know what power improvement to aspect
I'll be sure to include this in the video. I know you have to choose a turbo with spooling characteristics to match the flow of the engine. Questions I need to answer is where are the limits of power on the stock block, at what point does the fueling need to be uprated, and how much power can the stock gearbox and drive train handle? My guesses are you should be able to get to around 200hp fairly easily but 300hp will need quite a few extra things to be done.
@@torquecars
The intercooler and turbocharger is plug and play from vw 2.0 tdi
From what I've seen the engine it holds 300hp but in my case what holds me back is the well known dsg dq200 dry clutch
If I obtain 200hp I'm happy
Also my gearbox is kind of slow, at 3000 rpm I get only 136km/h
I've got a spare one from a vw golf and this spring it's going to be replaced:))
I'm aiming to go from 240 to 300+ on my upcoming BiTdi EA288, what would you recommend as upgrades after the remap, im especially confused about the turbos since there's two and they work in tandem, idk enough to mess with those
I've not played with the biturbo so can only go on what I've read and heard. The fuel supply is upraded on these engines so you have more headroom than on single turbo setups. A simple remap should see you hit your power target. Intercooler upgrades would be worth it, the stock ones really are quite small and only just cope with standard power. You can swap out the twin turbos for twin bigger or hybrid units, you can switch them to a large single turbo (which will have terrible lag on these engines but give great top end power). If there is a single bigger Twinscroll turbo released for these it will be worth considering, but I'm not aware of any around yet.
Just a remap is fine to reach 300hp
Remap, maybe hybrid too, a bit of cooling upgrade and your winning bud....
Anyone got any ideas for a 1.4 tdi polo mode?
I've got a custom exhaust on my 2.0 tdi and it sounds mint if you want to hear it let me know I'll post a video
I'd love to see (hear) that, or you can send it over to me at torquecars.wetransfer.com if you would be happy for me to use it in a future video on the topic that I'm currently planning.
What did you go for in terms of bore sizes and resonator/silencer configurations?
@torquecars Yes I will happily send you it over so you can use it as intended. But I won't be sending it over until after the Easter holidays weeks as cars going for a front end respray haha.
I went for a full 3 inch system so from the downpipe all the way to the rear. If that helps. It's the cr170 stage 1. Pulls like a train. But I'd of liked to try the 2.5 inch system as it might of been more beneficial for the power output.
Is the 2015 passat tdi a common rail?
Yes, I believe they all went Common rail around 2008.
Hello noobie here... how do I find the information on which engine my car uses?
I have an Audi A4 (B8.5) 2.0 TDI 190HP CleanDiesel Quattro S tronic
Thanks!😆
There are a few ways, find your maintenance or service booklet on the front page - it may also be showing on the registration document as an engine code - the 3 or 4 letters are usually the engine code. Also the engine will have a code stamped in it it is found on the driver's side front on the engine block. You may also find the engine code on a stamp on the cylinder head.
7:12 I hate when people lie about remapping will not lower mpg. To make more hp, you have to burn more fuel.
Yes my friend you are right remapping does not LOWER MPG unless you drive it harder on 2.0 TDi diesels a remap will increase or rather improve your MPG in most cases with most drivers reporting an improvement in fuel economy after remapping a diesel engine.
A point to note is that remapping doesn't always add more fuel, often the duration and timing of the fuel injection will make the engine more efficient. The increased efficiency means more power from less fuel and less heat lost in frictional losses typical of higher RPM driving.
For example on my 2.0TDi I did see 7% improved fuel economy as will most others but this depends on the map chosen and the way you drive. This was not an economy map but a performance map taking my 140 to around 175.
If you car is now making 100hp at 3000rpm rather than at 4000rpm you need less throttle and hence will use less fuel to achieve the same rate of travel and acceleration.
Gasoline engines are quite different and rarely show a substantially improved MPG.
What is the cause of excessive fuel consumption. Normally consumers at 4.8 , now it's doing 13.5. Throttle is heavy , power seems to proform although feels clogged.
The first thing I would check is the injectors and spray pattern. A decent injector cleaner can make quite a difference on most higher mileage cars. I'm guessing it is running rich and you are probably getting a fair bit of soot. Other areas to focus on are the sensors in the engine, they may be forcing it to dump more fuel, Lambda and Air metering are often the culprits on engines running too rich.
@@torquecars ua-cam.com/users/shortsY3o6qnk_ty4?feature=share. please listen to sound of engine.
I've got the cr 170 and want to increase power and torque, what would be the ideal way to do this and the best brands to use please?
18:57 this. Lugging a turbo car is never a good idea, my tuner told me specifically as well, not to push it below 2k RPM as it would damage the rods. Makes sense, I am remapped to around 460 NM, wouldn't want that much power anywhere near the 1.5k RPM mark
Thats quite an impressive torque figure. Is the stock clutch able to handle that? Thanks for the support and encouragement my friend I'm glad you've found it useful.
@@torquecars hasn't slipped on me once, and plenty of people do it down here in germany I've been told w/o any other mods.
PS I really like your channel, feels more down to earth and like minded 👍🏻
A question - does a BMR turbo fit a BKP engine?
One thing I've learnt is not to make very specific recommendations without seeing the car, there are often odd regional variations. Checking part codes and seeing if they match is usually the best way to tell. For many production years the Passat used an inline layout which uses slightly different turbo pipework from a transverse one which is the usual area people get caught out when they get say an A3 170 turbo for a 140 Passat. The 170 turbos will generally (if they have a manifold) bolt on to the 2.0 TDi block as they are all the same block and ports but some pipe work and minor modification may be required to the turbo in some cases. I would guess a worst case scenario is about 4 hours work swapping over the turbo hardware to get it working, there are guides and videos online of achieving this for most setups. If you get a definitive answer please post it here and it will, i'm sure help out many others.
Short answer is NO, but with some skills YES, loads of welding and modification are involved.
Thought as much. Settled instead for a bolt-on hybrid 😎
I'd the 2013 wv tiguan tdi a good motor .
what about bkd engines i just got audi a3
I had the BKD in my A3, it is a great solid engine, and probably one of the best pre 2015 2.0 TDi engines. I did do a specific guide to that engine on my site, www.torquecars.com/audi/2-0-tdi-bkd-mods.php