Glock 17 Gen 5 vs Smith & Wesson M&P 2.0 - If I Could Only Have One...
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Nice job, again! Your "If I could only have one" videos are great. I look forward to seeing additional ones in the future. Keep 'em coming!
I'm not surprised in the outcome here, as your having an issue (as do others, myself included) with the large, curved articulated trigger on the M&P M2.0. Personally, I wish S&W either did the trigger more like the Shield's lesser curve or did away with it period. But, the new M2.0 trigger has improved dramatically and is equal to the Glock's in terms of the break. I agree with you that there's more take up on the M&P and that the reset isn't bad, but not as good as the Glock. I agree that the trigger win goes to the Glock, due to the shorter take up and more finite reset.
However, the M&P trigger isn't too shabby. I found myself adapting to it more over time. The more you shoot it, the more the trigger smooths out (as you indicated), and better you get accustomed to it. I also have the same issue with finger placement on the trigger, as I also have big hands/long fingers, which can make things a bit more challenging. I wish the trigger broke a bit more forward, but an Apex trigger can address that issue.
I own both the M&P M2.0 and a G17 Gen4. I like shooting both, but I prefer the M&P's ergos and grip angle, plus its grip texture over the Glock. The only thing I'd change is the sights to either the TFX Pros (which are excellent.....I have on my CZ75) or the Trijicon HD's and the trigger to an Apex. I can afford to do those upgrades, because of the awesome $75 summer rebate on the M&P M2.0. My net price on it after the rebate came to only $344! That's well under the Glock 17 Gen5 that's been selling for about $559 from what I've seen. The savings easily covers the cost of the Apex trigger and a third magazine. The sights are a wash, as they'd both would be upgraded.
So, with all that being said, my personal "If I can only have one" choice is the M&P M2.0 with the awesome Apex trigger over the Glock 17 Gen5. Both are great choices, but to each his/her own. We're lucky to have such many great guns to choose from. Just another thing that makes America great!
Hey, I have one suggestion you might consider adding to the review. Perhaps you can get a Lyman trigger scale to compare trigger pulls. That would be another nice datapoint to have for the "If I could only have one" comparisons. As you always say.....cheers, brother! Keep up the great work!
Thank you very much for the great thoughts and suggestions Milehigh! You make some great points about the triggers and I 100% agree with what you said. I think the Smith would be well served to have a flatter trigger that doesn’t pull all the way to the rear. If the break was more forward, it would be spot on. Glocks, while a bit clunky, do deliver a predictable break and reset. I understand why you would choose the M&P and I think many agree with you. The Compact has really impressed me and my thoughts betweeen that and the G19 may be a bit different, you never know, lol. As for the gauge, I have one and have used it on film but people seem to be very picky on how it’s used and it takes more time than I want to use. The vids are already a bit long-winded, lol. Thank you as always and cheers brother!
KSGunGuy I agree with you on the M2.0 Compact. Very impressive. I picked one up during the summer rebate, as well. It will go with my G19 Gen4 in my rotation. Both guns are reliable, good performers with decent triggers. Both triggers are slightly better than average (IMHO), but I don't like that vibration from the linkage on the Glock triggers. It's apparent when dry firing, not so much when your hot. Not a big deal, but it's noticeable for me. Every gun has its own features and quirks. We just learn to adapt to each one best we can, or make improvements on them along the way. I think the Glock grip angle thing is blown out of proportion, really.
Some say (like yourself and Honest Outlaw) that you prefer the M2.0 Compact version over the Full Size. That's interesting seeing both of you guys have bigger hands. I own them both and dry fire them quite a bit. I found the triggers to be very similar with a bit more smoothness to the Compact's trigger. They seem to break and reset the same, as far as I can tell. I like the flexibility of the Compact with the use of the 2 provided mag sleeves that provide a full size grip and capacity. A nice plus.
I'm really not an M&P fanboy. I just appreciate a quality firearm. I really think that the new M2.0s represent the best value on the market. Excellent build, reliability, quality workmanship, great performance along with a great price = an outstanding VALUE. All that weighed into my decision.
Thanks for your response. I appreciate it, as I try to put a good amount of thought/feedback in my comments. You reply more to comments posted on your videos than any other gun channel. I think that's great! I wish more would follow the same. I also see your comments often on other gun channel videos. Kudos to you for that too! I think it makes for a better experience. I learn a lot from others experiences and comments. Thanks!
It’s funny you mention the vibration or “springiness” in the Glock triggers. I dry fire the Gen 5s quite a bit and it’s very noticeable. At first, I though something was broken but it turns out to be the trigger return spring and firing pin spring. Either way, it’s a bit annoying, lol. Yeah, I seem to consistently gravitate towards compact guns over full size even though I have long fingers. I agree, the flexibility if being able to use full size mags makes compact guns all the better. I agree with you, out of the box Smiths are great value! Milehigh, I am humbled everyday by great thoughts from good people like you. I have learned more over the past 10 months with the channel than I have in many years of shooting. It’s a great community and I truly enjoy getting to know you guys. Thank you again for everything brother!
The biggest thing I noticed most reviewers haven't paid attention to is that actual cost of the gun rather than MSRP. I recently got a 5" FDE M&P 2.0 for $430 and I just got the M2.0 compact for $460 shipped with a 3rd magazine and night sights included (both of those deals are still available as far as I know as of writing this). Add in an apex trigger shoe for $37 and I am still coming out way ahead of Glock. The value comparison isn't close in my opinion. Glocks are fine pistols and I own 2 myself (G19 and G22), but if I could only choose one, it would also be the M&P 2.0.
CaribbeanMedStudent I totally agree with you on all your points. I wish I found that deal you got on the M2.0 Compact with 3 mags and night sights. Those are usually reserved for LE sales only, from what I've seen. Congrats on a nice find! I paid $430 for my M2.0 Compact. I also have a M2.0 5" in FDE, which I paid the same price you did. I got all of mine at Sportsman's Outdoor Superstore. They run some pretty good deals. I'd like to put Apex trigger shoes on each of them, but perhaps the whole trigger assembly on one, just to check it out.
I’m so greatful you made this video ! Thank you so much !
As person who is more partial to M&P, I have to say there is just something about a G17 that is awesome in my book.
Great work as always!
Well said! Thank you very much and cheers!
Value is not a wash. Street pricing of the M&P is $100 - $150 less. I could not find the Glock for less than $530; I paid $379 for the M&P.
I got my first M&P9 2.0 a couple weeks ago from the lowest cost gun distributor gunbuyer.com for $390 and free shipping. Great value compared to G17 and similar pistols.
380$? in my country the s&w mp 2.0 costs 1250$ and glock17 more than 1400$
@Ethan Mac I live in Ukraine. like in Russia, we have pistols for sports only, with the exception of certain categories of citizens. But any non-automatic long-barreled weapon up to a caliber of 50 bmg is allowed. The prices for legal weapons and ammunition are 2-3 times higher than in the United States. It's just greedy merchants that's all. All are imported from abroad and sold at high margins. And pistols are banned in many countries.
@Ethan Mac Of these two, I would choose SmithWesson 9mm. We have a small selection in our country and I would choose between s & w mp2.0 / beretta apx / grandpower k (q) 100 from budget (for Ukraine it is $ 1000-1300). Still maybe stеyr m9. For me there is not much difference between them. The answer to the question "which of the best polymer guns" can be the one who owned all of them. But this is individual, as each has its own anatomy of the hand. 9mm caliber because it is more common, balanced and relatively inexpensive cartridges
Not anymore. In some cases the M&P can actually be more expensive than the Glock. Generally the cheapest you can find it is $50 less than the Glock or at the same price.
Good comparison as love the series of vids...Either choice is a good choice...Good stuff...
Thank you very much Scott! Always a pleasure brother. Cheers!
Funny I like to revisit videos anytime I'm in the market for another gun. Love your work..I would have loved to have seen this video with the 5"version of the M&P .
Thank you John! I agree, the 5 inch would be a lot of fun to try. Cheers!
I really appreciate how you thoroughly review and compare in ongoing fashion.
Thank you very much InSight! That means a lot brother. Cheers!
InSight Freedom his reviews are better than hickok45
Seeing as i am a Glock Guy, my m&p 2.0. Is freaking awesome
Definitely room for both but I agree that the M&P has been really impressive! Thank you and cheers Alaskan!
Ive been a glock fan for a LONG time and definitely have a soft spot for them. But now that i've added a 2.0 to the herd, i'm really liking what they offer! Excellent video KS!
Thank you Nolan! I agree, M&Ps have come a long way, especially with the compact. It fills that void and really impresses. Cheers brother!
Nolan Outdoors i feel the exact same way!!!
I've owned several Glocks, mostly Gen3s and 1 Gen4, in 9mm, 10mm, and 45 ACP. I've fired 10s of thousands of rounds through my Glocks. The only one to give me any reliability issues whatsoever was my 10mm Glock 20SF Gen3. That said, I've always been compelled to upgrade my Glocks - triggers, sights, stipple jobs, as the stock Glock (for me) always crys out to be improved.
I've owned just one S&W thus far, the M&P M2.0 9mm Compact. I love it. Right out of the box it surpassed all of my Glock 9mm pistols (IMHO). It came with excellant low profile steal 3-dot combat contrast sights, with a shelf for one-handed slide actioning on my belt, etc. Fantastic grip stippling. While I don't love the trigger, it is superior to all of my stock Glock triggers. Great accuracy, and thus far flawless reliability, after about 2,000 rounds.
I paid $399 for my new M&P. That's a lot less than I paid for any of my (new) Glocks over the years. For a pistol which to me is superior... more pistol, for a lot less money.
I have replaced the stock contrast sights on my M&P with night sights, from AmeriGlo. They set me back $120, but that's still just $519 for a fantastic EDC CCW pistol, which for my money far surpasses my Gen4 Glock 19 (for which I paid $525 before upgrading anything on it). A trigger upgrade and steal night sights later and my Gen4 Glock 19 cost me almost $800.
To each his own. For me, it's the M&P M2.0 all the way over Glock.
Also, the M&P is made in America, by an American company. That's a very good thing indeed.
I own them both and couldn't agree with you more.
I have a first gen Smith &Wesson 9mm I bought it in 2009 and it has never malfunctioned the best thing about Smith &Wesson is you get a lifetime warranty and they will stand behind their product I dropped one of magazines and I called them up they sent me a new magazine no questions asked I just bought a Glock 17 gen 3 it has a year warranty I'm hoping it will give me the same years of enjoyment as my Smith.
Thx for the the video
Happy to do it! Thank you and cheers
Great comparison. The G17 has been my go to pistol for years, but I am tempted to try the 2.0. Hoping they put that new shield plus trigger into the whole lineup eventually. Cheers.
Apex flat is better.
Great summary, thanks. Recently the LCP II replaced my Glock 26 CCW and now I think the 2.0 is going to replace the 17.
Thank you! The 2.0 is a great gun indeed. Cheers!
Nope, I could not choose one so I bought both and I have not looked back! Great review.
I have both of these pistols and enjoy shooting both. My accuracy is about the same with both, but a slight edge to the S & W. I have carried the S & W as my EDC at times very comfortably, but not the Glock. The S&W being just a little lighter and smaller makes me chose the S&W over the Glock if I had to choose one or the other. Thankfully, I don’t have to choose since I have both and enjoy both equally. Great video and I can completely understand your choice even if it is different than mine. Keep up the good work! Thanks!
Thank you very much Keith! Both are definitely great guns and on any given day, I lean to one or the other. Cheers!
With all things close to equal... M&P is just a much prettier gun.
I 100% agree with that! Thank you and cheers!
i have a M&P 2.0 and a glock 17 mos 5gen and since de first time i hold that Glock i knew it was something superior very good video my friend
Own both the Glock 19 Gen 3, and the M2.0 with the 4.25 barrel. Love ‘em both, but the way the Smith feels in my hands wins it for me. Will never get rid of any of these 2 pistols though. Great video! 👍🏻
That’s awesome Sean! Both are great indeed. Thank you and cheers!
Pick one
I bought the 2.0 and love it. I do think the street price was a lot less than the Glock and I like the grip and looks much better than the Glock. Both great guns! Nice video! thank you.
M/P 2.0 is the way to go!! S/W has stepped up their efforts to make a damn good pistol!!! And they stand behind every time they make no matter who owns it!!
Great video! Wich one do you recomend for small hand shooters? Thanks!
Gen 5🖓 the flared mag and the cut out on the front of the Magwell kills it for me
Good point Kevin! There are many who share that view. I'm indifferent on them but not a terrible feature to have. The cutout, however, could go. Cheers!
I prefer them
Exactly get the mos19 or the 45
Great video my friend as always I would tell you though for me there's just something about the M&P that I like better than the Gen 5
Smith has done a great job with them for sure. Can't wait to shoot the Shield 2.0 either! Thank you and cheers brother!
I'm leaning toward the M&P. Great comparison though!
Thank you! I recommend the compact. It’s a sweet shooter
Well I still haven't even held the new Glock and at the moment haven't shot my 2.0's yet. I plan on shooting tomorrow when we get some sunshine and less wind. Another fun and exciting video my friend, hard to go wrong here.
Thank you Fu! Keep me posted on the 2.0. I'm excited to hear your thoughts! Cheers brother
Sure thing, I got about 8-9 acres mowed today before the storm hit. Hopefully my range won't be flooded out too bad, and got most of my winterization done to all of my coops. It was a very busy day and only 2 hours of sleep to boot. Should be set up for a great day at the range tomorrow!
LOL, failure to feed with winchester white box, I don't think I have ever seen a firearm that crap can't choke, no matter how good it might be. Great video as always, love them you do a great job with the comparisons and over all they are extremely informative.
Thanks David! Yeah, I have learned my lesson and am trying to run through the rest of the WWB, so I can make a switch. I seem to be having more issues with it lately. Get what you pay for I guess? As always, thank you and cheers!
KSGunGuy WWB stuff is crap, plus I find it to leave a lot of residue. If you want to shoot cheap ammo that's good quality, I highly recommend trying LAX Ammo's new or reloaded ammo. I've had great results with all their stuff (9mm/45ACP/.223). Good accuracy and goes bang without any failures with thousands shots downrange. Low smoke and residue too. See if they'll send you some free to evaluate on your channel. They sent some to Honest Outlaw, but he prefers a less hot round as he does a lot of speed shooting. He prefers Freedom Munitions stuff as it's not as hot as LAX's stuff. Who knows, maybe they'll sponsor you!
That’s a great idea! I will look them up and see what I can work out. I never turn down free ammo! Thank you for the suggestion!
I've got both. I use Remington UMC for M&P because it is smaller in diameter than WWB. M&P barrel is smaller in diameter than Glock. Glock is more reliable in my opinion.
Taurus G3! 3200 rounds of Winchester white box and it never even gagged!
Glock fan here, but skipped out on Gen 5 for now, by late Spring Ill have one in my arms room! As for the M&P 🤔🤐🤐 Great Video KS!
I recommend them both Razor! Great shooters for sure brother. Thank you as always and cheers!
I have tested both the M&P9 2.0 and the Glock 17 Gen4. I feel they have comparitivly good triggers, the M&P has better ergonomics, the grip texture is abrasive, too much so, but it has a natural point of aim. I like Glocks tactile reset, it points a bit differently, and when the casings come out of the ejection port it is erratic. One hit me on the forehead. I think both are great but if I could only get one, I am going with S&W M&P.
OK, I thought it was a very good review on both guns. But you are a Glock guy, I get that. So of course you are going to choose a Glock over anything on the table. I enjoyed the range test, what was the yardage? I thought your smith group was slightly tighter? Thanks for you good work. Loel
Ive owned Glocks and carried for 18yrs but the M&P 2.0 Compact made it easy for me to change. I still love my Glocks they're not going anywhere but the 2.0C is with me 24/7.
That 2.0 Compact has really impressed me too Sonny. Much more so than the full size. Nice to have options though if someone prefers a bigger grip. Thank you and cheers as always!
Agree, but everyone is different and I think it ultimately depends on the person and what they’re more comfortable with.
I think I need both!
I agree Rich! Cheers brother
Really appreciate your reviews ... especially these "If I Could Only Have One." I picked up an M&P 2.0 C and am having problems with the slide release button ... It will not release the slide when pushed. I have to manually rack the slide after putting in a new mag. Any tips on how to get the slide release to work?
It is designed as a slide stop, not a slide release.
@@georgeroyall6570 aaaah ... well it works that way. Thanks for letting me know ... I will stop trying to use it as a release. Turns out I wasn’t the problem, not it!
@@RobertHotchkin my slide drops easily on all my M&P’s by pressing down on the slide release. Smooth as butter.
Just bought the m&p 2.0 4.25in performance center version. Can't wait for it to come in. Was really tempted to get a Glock 17 but basically every comparison review on UA-cam and in the forums says the m&p is better.
and S&W has thumb safety. I have seen too many stories of people shooting themselves on the legs, even experienced gun owners.
@@agauerm lol true like that cop video where he shot himself in the leg right after saying he was a professional Infront of a bunch of kids
“Boo’s and Hisse’s”. 🤣🤣🤣
I’ve got the M&P9 M2.0 with a 4.25. for $400. All the Glocks in the gun store were all almost $500. Though the M&P trigger is different I haven’t had any issues. I like My M&P9 M2.0. Glocks are good guns but I prefer the M&P9 M2.0.
I really enjoy your videos. Looked at both guns today and as a left -handed shooter it's the G17 for me. The ambi-slide release was a great addition to the Gen 5 and combined with the swapable/reversible mag release make it a no-brainer choice for me. Disappointed that S&W doesn't offer left handed friendly features in this firearm.
I think you'll enjoy the 17! It's a great shooter and easy to maintain/work on. Thank you and cheers!
@@KSGunGuy01 I appreciate your reply. It's my first Glock (not a fanboy by any means, and appreciate various firearms) so I hope it lives up to it's reputation. Keep the great video reviews coming!
I think it will live up to its reputation. Thanks again!
Go with the m&p because you can get it usually for 200 to 250 cheaper than glock. Take the money saved buy ammo and target practice because all guns are useless if you cant hit what you are aiming at.
Buys quite a few extra mags, too :)
Great review! I have Glocks and M&P. I like them for different reasons and use them for specific needs that suit their size/weight/features/carry/home defense/etc. So, no! I'm not gonna choose. Anyway, it's a moot point for me. Here in The Peoples Republic of Colorado, we're limited to 15 rounds.
I had no idea CO limited rounds! I suppose 15 is better than 10 (in some states) but that sucks Gene! I agree that they are both great guns and can easily fill all roles without an issue. Thank you and cheers brother!
Nice Video Brother, I’ll let you guess which one I would pick? Thanks for the SO! 😜 Carry On
Thanks brother! The Glock obviously, lol.
2022, finally a flat faced trigger with no stupid hinge on the 2.0!!! Much better trigger than even Glock Gen 5 now!
I had issues with the trigger also, but I installed a Apex poly trigger kit in it & what a huge difference.
Well said! Thank you and cheers!
The M&P is better looking gun, but if I could only buy one, I would go with Glock's reputation for reliability. Great Review!
Well said Mike! I agree on that point for sure. Thank you and cheers brother!
People complaining about the g5 flared magwell are the same one who go out & put a big ole funnel competition magwell on their glocks lol great video ks I couldn't decide so I got both just like when I couldn't decide on 17 or 19 got both & a 45/19x, glocks are low pokemon for adults gotta have them all !
Right on! Thank you and cheers!
"Lights, lasers, grenade launchers" Awesome! lol
You can never have too many! Thank you and cheers!
I really love s&w and Taurus
about 200$ more not couple of dollars more.
I have owned both of these guns, and guess what i still have the gen5 17, what can i say I'm a glock guy..nonetheless both are excellent guns, but one huge bonus i like with my glocks are the cheap factory mags plus awesome deals on magpul pmags that work without issue at 10 bucks each you can't beat it! Strong aftermarket support.
I agree. M&P mags are more expensive.
I got a smith and Wesson M&P 2.0 and I love it
The M&P has better sights, a better trigger, stronger frame, better ergonomics, steel guide rod, and costs significantly less. You made the wrong call.
I made my call, not yours.
I have both guns in 9mm and the S&W in 40 as well. Much prefer to shoot the S&W. The Glock team needs to do more work on ergonomics. The fit of the S&W to my hand is just much better and the gun just has a better overall feel. Maybe the Glock trigger is better but I prefer the S&W sights. Both are dead reliable and spit out everything I put through them. Can't go wrong with either gun though.
Not sure about a wash on price. I got my 2.0 compact for 430. Only have seen the gen 5s for like 560ish. Big glock guy I have 7 but not in a rush to pick up a gen 5 just yet. Loving the 2.0 compact in .40 tho. Good video as always. From a video "standpoint"
Thank you Mark! Locally, the M&P line seems to be pretty expensive and Glocks are about average. $430 is a great price and well worth it for sure! The 2.0 Compact has really impressed me as well. Cheers brother!
Mark Sweetser Only 7?
After ordering the M&P from grabagun, paying tax and transfer, and filing the $50 rebate, I paid $410 out the door for the 5" FDE model.
Mark Sweetser I agree about the price difference . M and P can be bought for a lot less than the Glock.
Yep. 422.00 for me for my M&P 2.0
Ever considered a third camera focused on your target... One of the $200 Sony handicams would work well... Put it just below the side view?
Just my .02... maybe not worth that much
It's a great idea and if I continue to film, I will look into it. That said, I would rather take less than more to the range these days. We'll see what the future holds. Thank you!
What I hate about my M&P 2.0 Compact ? Trying to load the magazines ! What I like ? The grip and it's texture, there's more metal on the front frame rails than the Glock, steel inserts on frame to prevent twisting and pig nose, sights are steel, and so are the magazines, slide, barrel and internal parts are stainless steel. My average stock trigger pull averages 4.9 lbs.
Both pistols will serve you well.
Next to my Jim Clark 1911, my Glock 17s are my favorite to shoot.
Right on! Thank you and cheers Randolph!
Enjoy your videos, but in yours and others I notice much is made of the “audible and tactile” reset. Tactile, maybe, but it would take a better shooter than I am to notice it. I’m knocking on the “audible” part, though. If you are wearing hearing protection, you can’t hear the reset, and if you are not, you won’t be able to hear anything much at all after the first shot. What am I missing?
Excellent point and question! It’s more a training aid when dry firing to learn the trigger characteristics. I agree that when firing, you can’t really hear it unless you’re outside. Thank you and cheers!
Another Glock video KS? We get it if you could only have one, it would be a Glock.
Haha! There may someday be that video and the answer may surprise people. Hint, it's not a Glock. :) Thank you and cheers as always brother!
BTW. I've had the audio sync issues on a couple of UA-cam uploads also. Have you noticed it in any others you have uploaded?
I haven't noticed that. My audio tracks are embedded in the video so they synch right up.
KSGunGuy mine are too. Might be wrong but from the range to the end the sound was ahead of the video when I watched.
I’ll go back and check it out! Thank you for telling me.
I have a very long question for you and I hope it makes sence. My first pistol was the m&p 2.0 9mm then my sweetheart bout me a sig p320 45acp like 5 months later . I shot and trained with my m&p and love it but the more I shot my p320 45 I've become more accurate and faster , but not by much with the speed. I thought about trading my m&p in but I also thought about the apex trigger what are your thoughts. P.s I thought about a trade in with the g45
I'm not 100% sure I understand the question. All the guns you mentioned are great and very capable. Use the ones you are accurate with and enjoy shooting, regardless of brand or caliber. Thank you and cheers!
Wheres the question lol but bruh just keep both two siddweent calibers is dope
I have come across quite heavily both personally and research wise when it comes to the reliability, shootability and pros/cons of the Glock and M&P and have highly considered both among other 9mm's for my next handgun. This video just proved to me that the M&P is the better choice overall because it is highly apparent that Glock's immense and biased fanbase tends to keep even the most obvious points in the dark.
I respect this well informed video but I just always feel like these comparisons are a waste of my time because if it is done by a Glock fan, Glock will always turn out on top even if it has several faults over the M&P. First of all, straight off the bat, the M&P is a better shooter, has a better sight picture and Metal sights. It was remarked in this video when it came to Value that it doesn't give M&P an edge either was a Straight up Lie, because on Gunbroker the M&P 2.0 is listed for $429 and the Glock 17 Gen 5 is listed for $569. Clearly a BIG difference in price and I have NEVER seen the M&P for $600.
While This man gives some credit to the Smith, he finds so many dissatisfactions with the New Glock such as the plastic sight picture (still) and the mag cut out, meanwhile the M&P has it beat in those aspects including others (Sights, Grip, Accuracy) because reading ths comments below, someone mentioned that his groups were much better with the M&P and his comment remained biased for the Glock stating he found it weird he shot better with the M&P that day. I feel like this is an epidemic of Glock fans as of late then they never know when to take an L even when it comes to an obvious Glock flaw. Whether its the limp wristing hang ups or comparing it to a better gun, it is NOT the best handgun. That fellow below also commented that because the M&P had a Hang up on this video, he is now classifying the M&P as a range toy. It's so funny the Glock fanboys are So quick to criticize other brands but will straight up overlook any Glock flaws. When Hickok45 did a video on the Glock 19 Gen 4, he had a malfunction on the 10 minute mark and made NOTHING of it. Your precious GLOCK that you rant and rave about as if it were God's holy weapon itself had a Malfunction and it was brushed off quicker than dandruff on a shoulder. The gun had a Failure to Eject, he was NOT limp wristing but he Quickly blamed the ammo. ????
Any other gun would have had mile long comments of criticism about reliability along with "this is why I have a Glock, and Glock this and Glock that" and this is exactly why there are so many people who dislike Glock merely based on the fact that they have a obsessed and blind fanbase that think it's impossible for a Glock to fail and it is the best gun ever made. NEWS flash, Glock has been already outdone by so many brands for a while now.
They were at some point in time an innovative piece of technology, just like any brand for anything. The only reason it's still on top is because of the blind fanboys that keep it alive. And believe me, for Good reason. It is a reliable weapon, but it is far from perfect. The M&P is on par in reliability with Glock as well as many other brands. STOP making up this imaginary claim that it is a fail proof gun. ALL guns can fail. The argument of it being the standard police issue and battle proven by military around the world is an Old story already. MANY brands have been battle proven. Smith and Wesson have been gun slinged in the wild west before we had the damn telephone so don't talk to me about LASTING reliability. BOTH the M&P AND Glock have been rejected from the US Army contract for the next firearm. Both for the same reasons, the guns were not capable of modularity, granted the M&P was even Below that of the Glock in modularity which is why the Glock lasted longer in the trials but was ultimately bested by Sig Sauer's P320 for it's extreme modularity and better wholesale price tag which was 100 million below Glock's proposal.
Don't get me wrong. The Glock is NOT a bad weapon, Far from it. It's a Great piece. But it is Not the best nor is it perfect. For so many Glock fans to be saying it's perfect out the box is another damn lie when a Glock purchase never stays stock longer than a month before the trigger, grip, guide rod, sights are switched out. Even this guy on this video said that the sights suck but it was Ok "because for a couple dollars more you can get metal sights" LOL couple dollars more? You mean the Glock 17 Gen 5 Ameriglo version? It's freakin $669 dollars! An ADDITIONAL 100 bucks. Meanwhile you get it ALL with the M&P for $429. If that doesn't prove that the Glock has twisted the fanboys into denial, I don't know what does. Do yourself a favor and your damn country a damn favor. Buy American. Appreciate the fact that the U.S. has made an amazing quality fire arm and support it.
You won't be the only one.
I thought that I was bad with my long comments on gunner channels.....enjoyed reading it tho.a little history thrown in for good measure! It's all good!
S&W gang
Man your funny!!! He didn't have just one little hangup that could have been ammo induced.. He could hardly keep that piece of shit M&P running to make the video lmao. It wasn't even a close call the Glock killed that turd.... I'll just say this I hope if we are in a gun fight against each other I hope you have that M&P that can't make it through 3 rounds in a mag without jamming..
@@gerridhodges4084 I doubt you've ever shot more than 3 rounds in either so you shouldn't hope to be in a gun fight armed with anything.
@@jordanaug81 Yea I'm sure your some badass lol... I started shooting guns when I was 5 and have shot many rounds in most popular pistol brands thank you.
Nice video. Just got approved for my permit in NY. Trying to decide which to get, I have the bb blow back version of the m&p40, so that's why I'm considering the glock more. Store had the M&P 9mm for $599, Gen 5 for $699, and gen 4 for $546. Gen 5 price is a turn off.
Thank you Jerome! Both are great shooters for sure. I would consider shopping around though, $699 is way off for a gen 5. You should be able to pick one up for under $550 and well under $500 for the M&P. $699 is over MSRP I think. Thank you and cheers!
Jerome Salmon grab a gun has gen 5 539 gen 4 17 456 and m&p for 399
Looks like the ejection on the Glock is all over the place.
It's a bit more random for sure but nothing in the face and they all clear the gun, so all is well there. Great eye! Cheers
@@KSGunGuy01 A brass casing hit me right in the forehead when I shot it. I must admit it was the G4.
I have both of these and I chose the Glock also BUT....I like the way the M&P feels in my hands better. I love the grip of the M&P and it's a better CC weapon but you just can't beat a Glock.
Which is best bro
Glock needs to do a full slot pickatiny rail.why only 1 slot.and also stiffing up their frame.it looks like just really cheap plastic.but they do go bang when shooting.
Not a Glock fan, after having a bad experience with one. I however do like Glock's in general. But I have found them not to be as reliable as their reputation. Add in you usually have to have a trigger upgrade, as well as sights, I find them expensive for what they are. Still the Gen 5 is a huge improvement over the 4 (I always hated the finger groves). Having tried the M&P 2.0, I have to agree with your review, but when you consider price to make the Glock a viable duty gun, I feel the M&P probably has a slight edge. I'd prefer a Springfield XDm over the Glock however, hands down.
Thank you Ken! Great points about the extra money with triggers and sights. I too like the Gen 5 changes and think it will keep the train going a bit longer. Maybe we’ll see a bigger change with the next gen? As for duty, both would serve well but I agree more money needs to go into the Glock. Thank you for sharing and cheers!
Is this range Centerfire Shooting Sports in Olathe, KS?
It sure is!
Funny thing is that S&W M&P 2.0 is considered as a full size pistol, but in reality it's almost identical to Glock 45.
Their full size lineup has either 4.25 or 5 in with a 17 round magazine. They're compact lineup has 3.6, 4, and 4.6 in but with a 15 round magazine
Plus, the M&P 2.0 has one serious flaw. If the trigger return spring breaks, it does not allow the shooter to manually forward reset the trigger and at least have a one shot capability firearm. This can be a big difference for a duty handgun. The older 1.0 M&P's could be outfitted with a kit from Apex to allow manual forward reset, but Apex does not have one for the 2.0 as of this time. Just food for thought.
That's very interesting! Thank you and cheers!
I have that Smith and Wesson shield 2.0 and the full size m&p 1.0. Just bought the G 17 GEN three and can’t wait to compare it. I love both of my M&ps even the 1.0 But there’s just something about the Glock. It’s just streamline and clean
I'd actually go with the M&P just because that texture is so nice!
The texture is growing on me, especially with the Compact! Can't wait to carry it in the new holster and share the experience! Cheers brother
Harry's Holsters i love the texture on mine
And made in USA 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
I prefer the S&W because of the thumb safety.
Still can't get around the plastic sights on Glocks. The Ameriglo sight guns aren't a couple dollars more, they are actually quite a bit more. The MP serves a much better value out of the box. Not knocking the video, it was great and detailed. I just don't get why Glock still does some of the things they do.
No argument from me Michael. I 100% agree with you about the sights and it's been a huge miss for Glock for years. I think they know people will be changing the sights so they've built that into their pricing mentality. For me, I still choose the Glock, but only because I shoot it better. Thank you and cheers!
If I could only have one? I'd choose neither. However in keeping with your theme. If pressed. I'd choose the M&P 2.0. And not because of any aversion to Glock. But for actual some reasons. 1) The M&P is still built as a 40 and then rechambered for 9mm. Versus a being a 9mm that has been adapted (sometimes haphazardly) for 40. So the frame is made for a round generating more recoil and thrust. So if I wanted to run 9mm +P+ . It would handle it like a champ. And extended or prolonged +P use would be of little consequence. 2) I prefer the ergos, ie grip feel and angle over the Glock. And I get interchangeable backstraps. 3) Steel sights vs plastic. And even if you factor in upgrading the trigger. To say and Apex I call it a wash in extra cost when you compare the cost of new sights for the Glock. So M&P for me.
Great video as always KS!
Excellent points Matteo! I’ve never thought about it from a 40 standpoint but that makes sense. Does the Glock not handle 40 as well? I ask only because I have little experience on the 40 front (as you know). I agree about the cost difference, especially with sights and 4 good back straps. As for the trigger, I still prefer Glock but that’s only due to time behind them. Thank you as always and cheers brother!
KSGunGuy Well whatever your opinion is on the 40. Most will have to admit guns that are truly made for the 40 tend to be fantastic 9mm's when chambered as such. Just look at the Steyr as but 1 example. And yes the Glock historically does not tend to do as well. The frame is just not made for it. Glock even went as far as adding another pin to spread the force out and help lessen frame stress. Even when upgrading the recoil spring the overall lifespan is shorter. In the end its just a bit too much stress. Now if you upgrade the recoil spring the Glock will have a very decent service life. But you'll still be watching for signs of stress. On some level. Whereas a gun designed for more recoil and thrust? You shoot it and don't worry.
OK that makes sense and explains the 3rd pin! Seems like they are taking a step backwards removing a pin in the Gen 5.
KSGunGuy I would venture they did it on the assumption that any 40 chambered guns would be few and far between. And those that were bought would probably see very few rounds. In other words they bet on the numbers. 40 is the redheaded stepchild within the gun community. And even more so in the tactical community. Plus a study came out that was a bit of a no brainer stating those who owned guns chambered in cheaper cost ammo. Tend to train and shoot more. Go figure, right? LoL
But to each their own. I happen to like the 40 a lot. And unless it somehow disappears in the way the 41 AE did. I'll continue to carry and use it.
I’m sure you’re right about the numbers and I imagine cost to manufacturers can impact it as well. I agree, there is less focus in the industry on 40 but it is the round of choice for competition so it’s definitely got some life left in it. I imagine the 40 won’t go anywhere and there are a lot of firearms chambered in that caliber out there. Good to see that the cost has come down on it too.
my glock 17 gen 5 has front serrations that’s what glock did to all there gen 5’s, i don’t understand why yours don’t have them, and i don’t have the cut out in the front of my grip
I believe the early versions of gen 5 17 and 19 didn't have foward slide serrations. Also they did away with the notch on the front of the grip on newer gen 5
I like the gen 5 because it doesn't have the finger grooves however I prefure the m&p 2.0 because well I like it better lol it point more naturally for me than a glock I'm not bashing glocks at all they are awesome guns but I prefer the m&p I subscribed to your channel too and great review
That's awesome Andrew! The M&P is fantastic indeed, Cheers!
Great job, once again, KS! I do have the M&P 2.0 compact and love it. Have plenty of Glocks and love them too but haven't added a Gen 5 to the collection as of now. I agree with you and thought that Glock could have done more with the Gen 5 such as the front serrations, better sights out of box etc. but the one thing that bothers the hell out of me and maybe they will fix it going forward is the front of the Frame not being bullnosed like the slide. To me, thats just not paying attention to detail and unacceptable for a 500 dollar plus gun. I also wish they would fix the undercut on the trigger guard as well. Shooting 9mm not such a problem but with the 40 and 45 calibers it does get uncomfortable after a while.
Thank you and great points John! I agree, the frame not matching up to the slide is odd at best. It doesn’t affect the performance but it does show a lack of detail. Yes, I hope the refine them going forward especially since other manufacturers are paying more attention to feedback and details. We shall see. Cheers brother!
the paint came out on my first m&p sights too but now i put night sights on all my guns so it's a non issue
That will definitely solve the issue! Thank you and cheers Daniel!
steel sights for a couple of dollars??? Tell me where because sights are expensive.
I have owned and shot both...the M&P remained....it’s very accurate, soft shooting 9mm, better ergos than the Glock and the trigger is much improved over the original M&P. The M&P is a better pistol than the Glock
I agree, the M&P 2.0 is an awesome gun. I love the compact. Thank you for watching and cheers!
Opinions vary
I will agree with all your points, however, While the M&P is reliable it didnt pass the reliability portion if the military's MHS program. For some reason this turn me off more than it should
OK this is my opinion I had the Smith & Wesson M&P 2.0 17 which actually cost me $435 at the time on BudsGuns.com with zero shipping fees and zero state tax. I actually found that I shot way more accurate with that gun then my brand new Glock 17 Gen 5. I did notice that the Smith & Wesson 2.0 contoured much better in my hand but I decided to let it go and purchase instead the G17 Gen 5 primarily because I wanted to have a truly reliable handgun if shit hits the fan. If I was only going for marksmanship and wasn’t concerned about self defense I would’ve kept and only used the Smith & Wesson 2.0.
Smith all day
If you say anything negative about a Glock you are branded a "Glock hater". Glocks don't blow my skirt up and I won't apologize for that. I'm not a Glock hater, they just feel foreign in my hand, where other guns feel natural and comfortable.
Ain't even gonna lie,,always been a big fan of S&W revolvers...but not so much there semi pistols...till the 2.0 came out that is!! This pistol is really good .never ever misfired! Would I pick it over the gen 4 g17? Yes! Will I pick it over the gen 5 g17 ...nope!
The M&P is designed from the Glock and refined it in nearly every way, for a better firearm. For anyone complaining about the trigger, one word: APEX. I don't understand anyone that doesn't put an Apex in their M&P. Not only is the trigger tight, crisp and provides far better accuracy and follow up, it is to the standards of law enforcement carry (no getting jammed up in court over it). Glock has a beautiful simplicity to it, but it does not shoot as well. It's snappier, with a weaker follow up and it's ergonomics aren't even close. It may have an endurance edge though, I gotta give it that. M&P is no slouch though in the build quality.
Perfect example. Purchased brand new from BudsGuns.com a Smith And Wesson M&P 2.0 9mm 17 rounder. Apparently the firing pin was hitting the primer in Northern Hemisphere LOL. It literally was almost hitting the back of the 9mm stamp vs the actual primer WTF !!! Sent it back to Smith And Wesson and they fixed it. Then I sold the gun and months later purchased the identical gun brand new from Buds Guns.com sure enough the idiots at the Smith And Wesson factory actually put the compact barrel into my long slide M&P 2.0 WTF !!! So the barrel was actually inside of the slide vs sticking out past the long slide like my previous M&P 2.0 9mm That’s extremely sad Smith & Wesson had two brand new military grade firearms that should have never made it off the inspection line.
Thats exactly why I went w. the Glock. Less potential problems & very strict quality control. Long term pistol durability is off the charts excellent for the Glock as well. The M&P has years to prove this pistol can hang.
Im a glock fan, but i will say i like the grip texture on the m&p's better. But for reliability and proliferation, its hard to beat a g17 or g19
The Gen 5 looks very nice...to me.
Thank you G17! I agree brother
Dude.. you dinged the trigger of s&w because you shoot incorrectly.. and you can't decide which is better as far as value???? Glocks are close to a hundred dollars more on average . And you get less features... Plastic sights .. etc.. seriously??
lets see glock make a revolver. 😂😂
One thing that bothers me that I just relaized is you really can't get factory M&P parts anywhere. I find this kind of odd. I can pretty much get every factory part for a Glock and even the Sig P320.
That alone makes me want to look at the Glock lina again. I got out of Glocks during the Gen 3. I still think they are outstanding weapons, but the Gen 3 just did not work for my hand size. Then the Gen 4 9mm ejection issues and slides falling off kept from looking at Glock again. Now the Gen 5 has my attention.
You may want to revisit the Gen 4 too. They have come a long want and are rock solid. Never had an issue with any of mine. Keep me posted! Cheers
Cant go wrong with either one but i would go with the Glock i trust my life to a Glock good review KS!
Thank you as always Keith! I agree, Glocks are reliable for sure. I too would trust my life to one without question. Cheers brother!
M&p 2.0 vs Glock 45
Love my Glock 17 always will but my next gun will be the m&p 2.0 9mm
Awesome!
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Thank you very much!
Agree
Thank you Railroad! Good to see you brother. Cheers!
I bought The S&W M&P 2 over the Glock and glad I did.
Please help me, I gonna buy a Glock 17 Gen 5, does the Barrel say Glock Marksman Barrel or Does it say GMB engraved on the actual barrel ?
Idk what it says, but it is the marksman barrel
@@arthurwood7525 so there is no "Glock Marksman Barrel" or "GMB" engraved on the actual barrel ?
@@bryantherocker I’ll let you know when I get mine in about a week. The dealer told me that it does have the front serrations and the marksman barrel.
@@arthurwood7525 please do, thank you.
Im Glocked out,,,i have 4 now had 6 at one time...S&W 2.0 10mm is my 2nd M&P,,,,,,no problems so far going todo alittle more testing and if all goes well S&W will be my daily....
Since you picked the glock over the M&p again I think you need to send me your 2.0
Haha Chip! Although I picked the Glock, the Smith is a great gun. Thank you and cheers!
I like Glock. But M&P feels and shoots better🦾🦾🦾🦾🦾🦾🦾🦾 to me.