I don’t believe it will honestly, maybe help or lower failure rate some , but I think until the bearing cradle is redesigned it’s still gonna be a worry . I’m very surprised but also not surprised , the amount of people who walk blindly through life with no research would surprise you.
Yes, I believe the new fix will resolve the problem. It's not rocket science; they just needed to update the part and possibly will switch the oil viscosity to 5W-30. Also, it doesn't surprise me that Tundra sales are up. How many people do you think follow the news or are aware that the Tundra has faced many issues? I don't think many. Most buyers see the deals and assume that all issues with the new model have been resolved since the truck has been in production for three years.
I love this type of work. A flat rate mainline technician here. Not for toyota. Screw that corporation. They don't pay for crap. Especially us, Americans.
You're correct.. because we have no fucks to give... Toyota has done nothing but cut our times ...I'm absolutely sure when this recall finally hits it'll be for shit time. Do yourself a favor and dump your tundra because we don't give a shit about your truck... should have done your research before you bought it. He's absolutely right in his video about disgruntled techs.
Sounds like someone doesn't understand what it is to be a professional mechanic. I already have replaced a few cracked pistons on 2024 CRV Hybrids this year with less than 5k miles and they never came back 😎
Not only that, there are many people that trust Toyota with their eyes closed and won't do any research, they buy based on a previous experience or from what their neighbors and family members told them
@@cpftank09 meanwhile, the Big 3 aren't exactly bulletproof, either. Titans are nice, but inventory is miniscule, prices are high, and resale values drop like a rock.
@@engineer_alv exactly. Imagine if your first experience with Toyota coming from domestic was the new Tundra. Likely already reluctant, then the wind noise, rattly door panels and finally an engine goes….you’d be done for good with Toyota.
@@sharkskin3448 I absolutely agree. Sadly I’m seeing at least 3-5 on the Tundra Facebook page per week. That page has a very small percentage of actual owners too. So it’s a small sample size. My biggest gripe about the Tundra before the engine issues was the poor hybrid performance. Look at the F150 Powerboost by comparison. Better fuel economy, as much power AND it has 7.2kw power on board. Toyota can do better, they just need to do it.
Trust has broken with toyota. They can refresh it all they want. Would not touch their turbo charged offerings. Theyre doing people absolutely dirty having their brand new truck taken completely apart and reassembled by underpaid techs.
I think Toyota needs to replace the entire engines, wit so much of the engine operation controlled with oil pressure, ie, variable valve timing etc, any metal working through the system will clog or damage other components besides the short block. This is my thoughts and opinion only on this issue.
I remember when my sister Hyundai Sonata engine was burning oil. I had her call Corporate office. They referred her to the local Hyundai dealership in town. They told her to get a rental car. I dropped off the car. 2 weeks later she got a brand new engine with a new Turbo ECT. They refunded her rental car. 😊
I would absolutely not even touch any Toyota / Lexus with the V35A engine until 2025. Its too much of a risk. When the dust settles many many thousands of vehicles with these engines will be junk.
@@davidperry4013I’m looking for a low mile 22-23 LS500, but now I’m worried. What about the LS500 engine is making it not experience these issues? Better attention at the factory?
@@blanchbacker it’s because the V35-FTS in the Lexus LS500 is Japan built not US built. So the problem with the US built LS500 engines are due to issues with retooling the iForce V8 plants into making the V35A-FTS because somebody forgot to program the chip fan into to the CNC mill or put it on the tool changer.
@@Kenneth_R including Land Cruisers and high end $100k Lexus'? I still trust Toyota. I've learned to. I've also learned to NOT trust the big 3. I will go down with this ship.
This is going to be VERY fucking bad for customers if Toyota is not going to properly compensate technicians, I know the car care nut mentioned this in his video but Toyota is playing with fire
Depending on the dealership . Some have teams . If these jobs get broken down into teams . Having the B-C techs take the engine out of the truck and just having the A master tech doing the rebuilding . This will turn out better as no one will get overwhelmed . But if they just have 1 person doing the complete job I can see that becoming a problem. One person doesn’t build the trucks at the manufacturer . Takes a big TEAM
@@albono780 As a Toyota tech, I promise you it’s all on one tech. I mean ya other techs will come over to help pull the engine out or guide the cab off the truck if you go that route, but it’s all on one tech. There is also no such thing as b-c techs anymore in Toyota land. The dealer I work at most of the guys with tenure and tied up with warranty work. The gravy jobs such as brakes are being botched by kids that were doing oil changes last week. If you aspire to reach master tech status in this industry you’ll just get treated wrong all while making $3 an hour more than some kid that was changing oil last week
@@TheCarGuyOnlinewhat’s up with the car care nut, me thinking he is a bit of a fraud after “purchasing” a vehicle with a massive engine defect that could very well fail out of warranty… also he kept listing things he didn’t like, very bizarre
98% of the "dealer technicians " are not trained for a job like rebuilding a engine. There it goes all the precision made posible at the factory. Now you will have 55 more points of failure.
I worked a 4 dealerships as a service advisor. Couple garages as a technician. All of the dealerships had times where motors needed rebuilt. Honda for example with the oil consumption issues. They did so many of them, that they techs started beating the warranty labor time, which is commonly less than real labor time. 9 out 10 times, they never came back with issues. Only for maintenance and they remained happy customers. When i worked at ford and some diesels had to be taken completely down, the techs did just fine. It's possible. However, i think with toyota giving junk time limits and the motor being complex, that will make it less reliable. More techs over the bs than anything. But to say 98% are not able to do this job is absurb. All dealerships have different level techs. The ASE dealership certified techs for major engine builds will be the techs on the job. Not the tire and lube techs or maintenance and parts changers.
@MsAce0424 it's not absurd at all. It's realistic. Techs make major mistakes all the time and forget lots of things. You're trying to make it seem like you have a 100% completion rate when that's far from the case.
@garytheguru just replacing the short block? You have to take apart the whole brand new engine and put the parts on the "short block." It is like rebuilding the whole engine without rebuilding the whole engine! Lol
Mechanic’s are NOT engine builders and NEVER have been ever ( some may THINK they are ) sorry guys and girls , stay with your specialty, Toyota needs to supply a complete NEW engine or refund the customers in full for the trucks purchase price , these trucks are worthless now . Common sense should prevail, use a tried and true V8 small block engine and these customers will be LOYAL for ever and ever. V8’s are for trucks and V6’s and L4 are CAR engines, to ALL of these so called designer and engineers, PLEASE put your CRAYON SET 🖍 away, you all are costing EVERYONE too much money
@@Take_America_Back : how about the Chev variable displacement V8s? Or the Ford V8s that spit out their spark plugs? But I do agree quality, long lasting vehicles would be a nice choice. A friend had an old Toyota Hilux, with a 4 cyl diesel that served him many years.
@@AbouTto_ : my 2 L turbo SUV can get 35 mpg on a trip, mostly highway, to a cottage. Which of your choices beat that? The Honda NA V6 gets max torque about 2500 higher rpm. Max HP is about the same. Mpg much worse.
Sold my 23 1794 TRD Long bed. Unicorn and I loved it but I'm not a gambler. Took my losses and hopefully a class action comes of it for diminished value. Done with Toyota
I bet less than 1% of the Tundra owners (or any car for that matter) actually go on forums or do research regarding vehicle recalls, etc. which explains why this is still selling like it is.
You are probably right, but I see a startling number of people in these groups that post many times, they know of the recall, then they buy anyway. They just gotta have it...
Last Friday, I bought a beautiful ‘23 Tundra. I was going to take delivery this coming Friday but just spent the last day or so watching dozens of UA-cam videos discussing the engine issue. Needless to say, I bailed on the deal this morning! I had been blissfully unaware of the entire debacle, and feel like I narrowly avoided disaster.
Going back together will never be as good as from the factory. MHO.....my 2019 ECO XLT Ford had 2 brand new 10 sp trannies in 25k miles and then blew again... Ford fixed it again and then I got a 22 Tacoma.
Not my experience. Had an Acura RDX that had a bad 6-spd tranny 2 years after purchase. It was replaced and worked very well without any issues till I sold it. The suspension, on the other hand...
This is a jigsaw puzzle for the mechanics I thought I had it bad 25 years ago trying to figure out how everything went back together this is ridiculous these trucks going to squeak and Rattle and leak after you get them back from the dealership this is like building a truck off the assembly line from scratch again never will ever buy one just a word to the wise if you're wise enough to stay clear😅
imagine youre a tech and you have 6 trucks needing the same thing behind the one your working on. SM yelling at you to finish because labor pays 29 hours. none of those trucks will be put back together right.
Yeah. This guy is probably as smart as all of the people that make these videos and comment on them. They all think that they can build a better truck. A bunch of clowns.
Expecting any tech to give a shit about your vehicle is a losing game. The goal is to get it out as fast as they can so they can make more money. Every bolt on this Toyota engine has a specific torque value. You never see tech using a torque wrench except for head bolts and bearings.
Anothe YT'er speculated that the 24's were not recalled so they can sell them first. Otherwisw the dealers would have to hold onto them until the Safety Recall can be taken care of, which son't be for a while.
Yeah I have that in one of my previous videos as well, I agree. They didn't want to include the 24s because they have no remedy for the recall yet, which would have forced a stop sale on them.
i used to be Toyota die-hard. i've owned 11 over the years. i currently have a 2014 Tacoma thats been problem free since new. I will not be looking at Toyota for its replacement; they're no longer built the same.
As a retired Toyota tech I’ve been thru several recalls on there vehicles mainly the 3.0 v-6 head gasket recall I can tell you this from experience they will fix this problem what ever it takes it will be at the technician cost but it will be fixed they stand behind there products better than a lot of other manufacturers if they know there is an issue with it the 60k warranty is out the door they will usually fix it no matter the mileage I worked as a tech for 22 years and seen them pay warranty claims the big 3 would laugh at you about so all I ask is to be patient in my honest opinion the story’s about other dealerships not taking them in on trade are just them trying to hurt Toyota reputation they know the truck will be fixed
I think the sales figures are more a reflection of people being unaware of the issue than of disregarding it. Were it not for my UA-cam addiction, I wouldn't have a clue this problem exists. I was impressed with the look of the truck in person but had read so many negative comparison test outcomes before even hearing about this issue, that alone was a turnoff. But I kept coming back to the perceived reliability of it - perceived apparently being the operative word.
@@TheCarGuyOnlinepeople don’t do research before buying.. and the salesman and dealer discounts and low apr offer is attracting more buyers than previous years.
I guess I dodged a bullet when I traded in my 2015 tundra for a 22 Ford 150 powerboost. I was pretty close on pulling a trigger on a tundra, but thankfully that awful grill turned me off.
Either the new sales are to 1) customers who are still ignorant of the engine failures/problems, or 2) Customers are willing to take a chance, considering they're being offered the biggest discounts they've seen on a tundra in decades.
Paying 70k for a truck that might have the engine grenade is my new definition of insanity. Imagine having one do this at 61,000 miles. The Toyota of yesteryear probably would've taken care of it regardless. I don't know about now.
We are living in crazy times. The fact that anyone pays $70,0000-$100,000 for a truck boggles my mind (even if it's a good truck), and defies all logic in the case of the Tundra. I could see justifying it for a business or something that gets to depreciate it, but not as a commuter/personal truck.
Could not agree more. I'm keeping my 2001 Tacoma and my 1979 GMC K20 pickup forever. No way I'm, buying a truck that needs a $1000 code reader to even diagnose a problem
Toyota hasn't changed. They deal with these issues the same they always have. Just like when the 3.0 V6 head gasket and valve issues were occuring, they eventually were coerced to step up to the plate and cover the problems, but they dropped the compensation to the service and parts departments to mitigate costs. This ends up with rushed jobs and poor service quality. People who ride the Toyota Popsicle conveniently forget all their missteps.
Never thought I'd see the day when people were saying to go to the big 3 because the Tundra isn't reliable. I'm 2016 Tundra has 130k miles and hasn't been back to the dealer once since new, and I've drove it like I stole it since day one. It's a Sad day.
"Never buy the first model year (or two) of anything." I've said it dozens of times. I trust Toyota to fix the issue. Their reputation for reliability means a lot to them and people often forget that reputation means a lot to any of these companies.
I agree so much with that first sentence. I’ve bought three new vehicles from a dealership. All three were 4+ years into a generation. Two were the LAST year of a generation.
Why do you have to take the cab off the chassis to have an engine removed to be fixed or do the same to get to the turbos or waste gate to fix it? That's terrible engineering!
@@oluseyigearhead4466 follow a few repair guys on social media and you'll see that it is pretty common practice these days when you need to do major engine work. It is deemed to be much easier than trying to hoist the engine out and modern vehicles have so many required components that there isn't room under the hood like there was in the 1970's. One guy I follow, FlyingWrenchesAuto, is frequently removing cabs on the Fords he works on.
Tundras are still selling because the big three is also plagued with issues. I have two wealthy friends who both bought similar model Cadillac Escalades. Both had complete engine failure at 35k and 50k. Another friend bought a new Silverado 3.0 diesel. Engine failure at 30k. The dealership told him they had so many in for the same issue, he would need to wait 2-3 months in line to get a new engine. The dealership had no rentals to give him. Traded it in for an F150.
Toyota knows there is a problem and needs to do the right thing and buy them back. Even VW bought back my sisters diesel Jetta because they lied about emissions.
Lots of bored miserable haters in the facebook groups. Sales are still high because the average joe is buying a tundra due to past reliability that people have come to expect.
Stock lost a little bit but starting to recover. With people buying, prices are not going to go down. Predict within a few years we’ll be seeing tundras over 100k. Half the quality at twice the price and we have no one to blame but ourselves.
yeah it bugs me when folks say "it's under warranty". That's not really the point, if people don't vote with their wallets, Toyota will continue to build these poorly...
Here’s my perspective on why people still buy or at least consider buying the Toyota Tundra over the big three American brands: 1. The big three (Ford, GM, and Ram) have a history of not prioritizing their customers’ needs. Despite being brand new, these trucks often have issues, as the manufacturers focus more on aesthetics than reliability. I know many Ford, GM, and Ram owners who are frustrated because parts start failing after just 50,000 miles. 2. Toyota, on the other hand, has always emphasized reliability over flashy features. Their trucks may not be the most stylish, but they are dependable. This applies to Nissan trucks as well. Japanese engineering and their commitment to customer satisfaction are unmatched in the auto industry. 3. While the recent engine breakdown issue with Toyota is concerning, their reputation for reliability suggests they will address the problem thoroughly. My 2011 Tacoma still runs like new, while my friends have already had to replace their trucks multiple times due to issues with the big three. This challenge will pass, and Toyota will continue to prove its worth.
You are correct as far as I'm concerned on all 3 points. I got tired of spending so much time at Stellantis and GMC dealerships and in loaner vehicles. I bought a brand new GMC Sierra SLT with 5.3 in 2018. Awesome riding and driving truck, but terrible wind/road noise - dealer couldn't or wouldn't fix, several recalls, infotainment system glitched, brake controller/modulator (truck brakes, not trailer brake module) had intermittent warning light, burning 1-1/2 quarts of oil between 5000 mile oil/filter changes with only 28,000 miles on it along with numerous other issues. It was at the dealership for some issue every couple of months. I got rid of that thing just before the bumper to bumper warranty ran out. I bought a 2024 Tundra iForce Max with no hesitation, no regrets - oil and filter changes only, everything works, no glitches, tows my tractor better than the GMC towed my lawnmower (same trailer).
I have been buying toyotas since 2011 and had a 1997 4runner that never broke down and I bought it used with 200,000 on the odometer. But every toyota since 2011.......tundra,4runner,tacoma have been so reliable and only oil changes and tires is the most I've done to them. Toyota will fix this❤
So they are changing to a redesign main bearing? Like I have said for weeks, its not a debris issue. It is a clearance issues causing bearing failures. They a thin oil for better fuel economy. The thiner the oil, the tighter the clearance. They must have pushed it to far and got pinched.
Personally, I wouldn't buy a new Tundra for years. No resale value because people are scared of these. Even Tacomas are overpriced, just like the Tundras. Toyota is dropping quality, jacking up prices. Who is making these poor manufacturer decisions? It seems like Toyota is going down-hill fast! Pretty soon Chevrolets will be the more reliable truck. Well, let's not go that far, but you get my point!!!!!!!!!!! TOYOTA, YOU SUCK!
Toyota has dropped the ball on these new Tundra trucks and theTacoma trucks that are made in Mexico. Toyota quality control has really shrunk, and the materials that they use are sub quality at best. No way would I pay 70 thousand for a Tundra truck with a turbo V6 engine, or the Tacoma trucks that have the turbo V4 engines. I'm old school, I prefer the Tundra trucks that have the V8 engine in them and the Tacoma trucks that had the V6 engine. Now they have messed up the Lexus LX and GX Suv's with those turbo V6 engines, they were better with the V8 engines. If I decide to buy a brand new truck, I will look at the Nissan Titan or Frontier trucks. If I go the pre-owned route, I will look at a Tundra truck from 2018 - 2021 because of the V8 engine. Come on Toyota, get your act back together and start building quality vehicles like you guys used to do before it is too late. Nobody deserves a vehicle that is a piece of crap!
Was looking for a new mid size pickup. Never ever considered anything besides Toyota. Then the new forced induction tacomas and tundras started blowing up. Never thought Id own a Nissan but I picked up a 2024 Frontier Pro4x fully loaded. V6 power!
It's a POS and on top of that it's ugly. New Tacoma is not attractive either. Toyota is done and I hope they never recover from this massive change in engineering. They burned so much of their loyal customers in every way possible, I'm out.
I’ve commented before. I have owned 6 Tundras. Two from each generation. Owned one 21’ F-150 King Ranch. I now have a 24’ GMC Sierra AT4X. I’ve put 7200 miles in 3 mos. 3.0L Duramax. So far it’s the #1. Initial quality is incredible. I drive a ton of muddy, rutted, snowy, rocky terrain. Sorry Toyota. I’m finished.
What a great truck. My friend just got an AT4 with the 3.0L. I thought it felt great. I had the same observations you did, it was dead silent in the cab, fit and finish seemed great, and the engine has plenty of power for me. I don't care about racing my truck like a lot of folks do I have a Tesla for that :).
Sadly the Tundra owners will have to face the reality of having a lemon truck on their hands. Toyota will comply with all of the requirements of posting recall notices, mailing out notices, etc., and the only thing they don't have to do is meet any deadline cause there is no deadline in the recall regulations. Toyota can drag this on for several years.
The official recall from Toyota directly is not out yet it is due according to Toyota directly at the mid to end of this month meeting July 2024, so we shall see what is covered and what is not my self included may or may not be directly affected by said recall, so I have been following this extremely closely as well They need to replace everything of the transmission if they are going to do it right not faced lemon law refund laws if your vehicle is not in your possession and in the shop for more than 15 days or returns for the same thing three times in a year you have the right to demand refund for the purchase price of your vehicleat least in my state every state very slightly, but is generally the same overall
My sisters best friend bought a 2024 Tundra in May....I was visiting in early June and we all got together and I asked said to him..."Tim, why did you buy a Tundra?? He asks wha?? He was a former Tacoma and 2 Corolla owner. He had not heard anything of the Tundra trouble (and also didn't believe me that there was a recall) at all but he also doesn't follow car stuff like I do. Lets not assume everyone knows about this which is shocking to me. He hasn't had the engine blow yet but he has had it towed once for check engine and rear diff issues as well as leaking seals on the rear windows. The fixes were obviously under warranty but he seems not too care at all about the potential engine failure, he said, if it fails, he will just get it fixed, doesn't care.
I had a 21 SR5 🌮 and now I have a 23 TRD OR 🌮. I’m happy with it and I have no desire to get a gen4 taco if they gave me a free upgrade. I wouldn’t touch a Tundra either if they offered to give me a free upgrade rom my 23 Tacoma. I am a Toyota fan amd I know a lot of manufacturers make mistakes but Toyota should have known better IMO. I trust Toyota but none of the new gen vehicles. A Third gen Tacoma is like a Glock 19 to me lol
My son-in-law has A2 3G. MC Sierra xfinity one is been in the shop and been torn down 3 times in a year. So so the problem is everywhere just because. They are trying to do what the government asked them to do instead of getting 17 miles per gallon. See if you can get 19 miles per gallon. S***, everybody that has a big truck. 98% of the careless about what they pay for gas. It's about driving the big truck. Come on, people, you all know they all have problems. I'm not a Toyota guy.I drive a g m c 42 thousand and one with four hundred and seven thousand miles on ithere you go
I've been a Toyata fan since the 70s. I can not believe what has heppend to this company. Did black rock buy it? I'll never buy another after this fiasco.
I don't blame people for liking Toyota, I do hope they like their vehicles and have safe driving and swift repairs, but I honestly swear that the company has long rested on its laurels and used its reputation and public trust as excuses to cheapen their quality and gouge their prices. To me, their greed and laziness is biting them in the ass. I plan to get a midsize but have no interest in the Tacoma, both because it doesn't appeal to my tastes and because I'm not satisfied with what little it offers for how much it asks.
Almost grabbed a '24 Capstone Jan 1, dealer and I were $500 apart and I walked...they tried in Feb but would not drop the $500 so found a '24 Sierra 3500 Denali 6.6 Duramax and allison trans....so glad...
These things all have rattles. My headliner on my platnium has a clicking in cooler weather but goes away partially when its hot out. it is right over the driver seat and if you press on it it sounds like wrinkling of paper.
Would like your thoughts on the best 1/2 ton brand and engine option to get at least 150K relatively hassle free miles. Ford makes great trucks, especially like the aluminum in the rust belt, but overall build quality is suspect. Ugggh. I wish Toyota hadn’t missed the quality focus on the Tundra. Why after 3 model years does the rear window trim still not meet/too short? Man, that’s embarrassing.
It's a tough market for reliability if you are buying new. If I were forced to put money on what I think would be relatively trouble free (engine wise), I would say the GM 3.0L Duramax (latest revision) or the Ford 2.7L Ecoboost. The thing I don't like about either of those engines is the wet oil pump belt, but that's a 200k maintenance item so maybe not a big deal if you sell before then. If you are really wanting Toyota, I do think that we'll have a better idea if the engine issues are resolved by the end of this year/early next year. If we keep seeing 2024s dying then it's a sign to stay away IMO. I agree, it doesn't seem like Toyota is fixing some of the basic complaints on the Tundra, people forget it was released in 2022, so many complaints just keep repeating and are still prevalent on the 2024s which is frustrating. I was looking to buy one too...and held off due to the issues.
I had a 2023 Tundra and got the recall notice. Toyota told me “Not to worry!” I said nope I don’t want a rebuilt engine if it detonates. So I traded it in for a leftover 2023 Ram Big Horn Hemi. I was lucky the Ram dealership was unaware of my recall! 🤷🏽♂️
as a former tech and service manager I guarantee you that once this repair is done you will have nothing but problems. A small percentage of techs are going to do this right. Get it fixed and then sell it.
22 platinum 45k miles still holding strong. As far as the sales go I’d bet my house these sleezy car salesman are either minimizing the recall, dramatically over explaining so people tune them out, OR not saying anything about it and playing dumb.
Yeah probably right. It's also that a lot of folks view this failure as "no different than the big 3", so they just take the risk anyway. So many FB group posts and forum posts where people just don't seem to care, even those knowing about the recall.
While it's disappointing behavior, O can understand why some Tundra owners demean those with catastrophic engine failure.... they have a significant interest on maintaining the traditional high re-sale values Toyota is known for. Those owners likely paid a premium for Toyota's reliability, only to discover their new vehicles will have very low re-sale value.
They should just be dropping new updated engines built form the factory not taking he existing motors apart and replacing the blocks and making technicians do it
I guess none of you guys watch these diesel Repair channels that it shows Ford GMC Ram. All the problems they are having to tear these motors down just to keep them clean. They all have problems all of them. Give me a 1967 Volkswagen beetle. And I'll be happy
Everybody cashing their stocks and buying Tundras before the crash only to find out they will be left stranded and with a blown out truck 😂 There’s a reason why the last record years were 2007/2008 just look at the charts.
With unprecedented engine failures and a major recall, the Tundra is selling more units in 2 months than an entire year of sales for the Ford Mavric. That tells you how much faith people have in Toyota. Hopefully Toyota fixes all of the problems and rebuilts their reputation...they have a lot of work to do.
@@edhortensius1468 Obviously, I was not comparing the vehicles, I was comparing the sales numbers. Lower-priced items usually have higher sales volume that more expensive items, so one might expect more Mavrics to sell. But if you want a closer comparison, Mavric annual sales are closer to a single month of Tacoma sales.
I would like to know the real numbers. How many dealerships are buying these trucks in the name of an employee then selling it on the used lot? Something is very fishy here and I'm surprised your antenna weren't raised by these probable lying numbers
I have a 07 Tundra and was in the market for an upgrade. Test drove the F150, Ram and the new Tundra. Found out about the Tundra issues right before I pulled the trigger at the dealership. Ended up with a sleeper pick with a 2022 Nissan Titan pro4x. 27k miles for 35k and couldn’t be happier with my decision. Test drive a Titan!
Aluminum blocks who would have thought Toyota could be so stupid. I will never buy any product with one for good reason. Been an owner since 1982 still running my 22R motor rebuilt it twice at a cost of under 1500 dollars each time. From what I can see all the new vehicles, tractors and appliances are junk and over priced. Fix your old ones, pay cash and pay your house off.
I keep saying, its not the bad engines that is the issue. They will fix that. Wtf is up with tearing the truck down to the frame for an engine replacement
Do you really want a USA American tech touching your truck. Only real Japanese workers should ever build and repair and assemble these trucks. No USA technician can replace these engines error free it will be an absolute disaster. They can't even change the oil properly these days.
Hey man, thanks for the videos. I was thinking of buying a 3000 lb boat and truck to tow it, and then I fell down this rabbit hole. What do you recommend? A 2020 Tacoma/Tundra?
Do you think these refreshed parts will fix the Tundra engine? Are you surprised how well they are selling despite the recall?
I don’t believe it will honestly, maybe help or lower failure rate some , but I think until the bearing cradle is redesigned it’s still gonna be a worry .
I’m very surprised but also not surprised , the amount of people who walk blindly through life with no research would surprise you.
Naw they should sue toyota for a new block assembly
One would hope but it wouldn't surprise me if they have to do a few more revisions to get this actually fixed.
Yes, I believe the new fix will resolve the problem. It's not rocket science; they just needed to update the part and possibly will switch the oil viscosity to 5W-30. Also, it doesn't surprise me that Tundra sales are up. How many people do you think follow the news or are aware that the Tundra has faced many issues? I don't think many. Most buyers see the deals and assume that all issues with the new model have been resolved since the truck has been in production for three years.
@@GoodSamLegend 5W-30 is inferior to 0W-30 since all 0W-30 oil are synthetic.
When you put a time limit or pay flat-rate on rebuilding anything complex on a vehicle, especially an engine, it will never end good.
Proceeds to drag front bumper across shop floor nose down.
Oh noes! It's gonna be bad when Sarah has put her 3¢ in also!
You are so right.
I love this type of work. A flat rate mainline technician here. Not for toyota. Screw that corporation. They don't pay for crap. Especially us, Americans.
@@quyle9483what brand do you work for?
They’re selling because the dealer pricing has dropped down below MSRP and the majority of buyers have no clue about these issues.
Every manufacturer is below MSRP right now
Well not in Houston dealers aren't dropping prices
Well a "fool and their money are sure to part"
In Canada, a nicely equipped 2024 is like $100,000 or more like $120,000 per unit.
You have to be crazy to spend that money on any truck.
Not knocking the techs but the chances that they will put those engines back together to factory specs are pretty slim.
not with that shitty pay.
I agree. Pretty hard to make that feel like new again.
Dealership monkeys.. you can’t expect much
You're correct.. because we have no fucks to give... Toyota has done nothing but cut our times ...I'm absolutely sure when this recall finally hits it'll be for shit time. Do yourself a favor and dump your tundra because we don't give a shit about your truck... should have done your research before you bought it. He's absolutely right in his video about disgruntled techs.
Sounds like someone doesn't understand what it is to be a professional mechanic. I already have replaced a few cracked pistons on 2024 CRV Hybrids this year with less than 5k miles and they never came back 😎
Toyota died when Akio Toyoda resigned.
They are forced by emission laws . Leftist
The high sales rates are because they’re discounting them so much. Because most consumers don’t research before buying, they unknowingly buy it.
It's also my guess.
People are so stupid. They see cheap discounts and buy without using their brains to figure out why.
Not only that, there are many people that trust Toyota with their eyes closed and won't do any research, they buy based on a previous experience or from what their neighbors and family members told them
@@cpftank09 meanwhile, the Big 3 aren't exactly bulletproof, either. Titans are nice, but inventory is miniscule, prices are high, and resale values drop like a rock.
@@engineer_alv exactly. Imagine if your first experience with Toyota coming from domestic was the new Tundra. Likely already reluctant, then the wind noise, rattly door panels and finally an engine goes….you’d be done for good with Toyota.
@@sharkskin3448 I absolutely agree. Sadly I’m seeing at least 3-5 on the Tundra Facebook page per week. That page has a very small percentage of actual owners too. So it’s a small sample size. My biggest gripe about the Tundra before the engine issues was the poor hybrid performance. Look at the F150 Powerboost by comparison. Better fuel economy, as much power AND it has 7.2kw power on board. Toyota can do better, they just need to do it.
The Car Care Nut is the absolute best!
Trust has broken with toyota. They can refresh it all they want. Would not touch their turbo charged offerings. Theyre doing people absolutely dirty having their brand new truck taken completely apart and reassembled by underpaid techs.
My friend has a low KM 21 Tundra with the 5.7 v8 and has been offered far more than he paid for it several times.
And you know there's know way it all comes back together properly
@@markadler8968 Too bad Toyota isn't selling 2021 Tundras.
Has nothing to do with the turbos, it's not 1970 anymore
I would normally agree with you but sales reflect trust, and they just broke their own record for Tundra sales.
Toyota has lost their freaking Minds.
To sum it up, you just did.
They sure have!
I think Toyota needs to replace the entire engines, wit so much of the engine operation controlled with oil pressure, ie, variable valve timing etc, any metal working through the system will clog or damage other components besides the short block. This is my thoughts and opinion only on this issue.
100% agree
I remember when my sister Hyundai Sonata engine was burning oil.
I had her call Corporate office.
They referred her to the local Hyundai dealership in town.
They told her to get a rental car.
I dropped off the car.
2 weeks later she got a brand new engine with a new Turbo ECT.
They refunded her rental car. 😊
I would absolutely not even touch any Toyota / Lexus with the V35A engine until 2025. Its too much of a risk. When the dust settles many many thousands of vehicles with these engines will be junk.
This should be pinned for customers
The V35 in the Lexus LS500 land yacht is solid though apart from wastegate and turbo issues on the first model year.
@@davidperry4013I’m looking for a low mile 22-23 LS500, but now I’m worried. What about the LS500 engine is making it not experience these issues? Better attention at the factory?
@@blanchbacker it’s because the V35-FTS in the Lexus LS500 is Japan built not US built. So the problem with the US built LS500 engines are due to issues with retooling the iForce V8 plants into making the V35A-FTS because somebody forgot to program the chip fan into to the CNC mill or put it on the tool changer.
@@Kenneth_R including Land Cruisers and high end $100k Lexus'? I still trust Toyota. I've learned to. I've also learned to NOT trust the big 3. I will go down with this ship.
This is going to be VERY fucking bad for customers if Toyota is not going to properly compensate technicians, I know the car care nut mentioned this in his video but Toyota is playing with fire
Yeah if you don't have the techs to do the work...look out. This job is not a job for a noob tech...
Depending on the dealership . Some have teams . If these jobs get broken down into teams . Having the B-C techs take the engine out of the truck and just having the A master tech doing the rebuilding . This will turn out better as no one will get overwhelmed . But if they just have 1 person doing the complete job I can see that becoming a problem. One person doesn’t build the trucks at the manufacturer . Takes a big TEAM
@@albono780
As a Toyota tech, I promise you it’s all on one tech. I mean ya other techs will come over to help pull the engine out or guide the cab off the truck if you go that route, but it’s all on one tech.
There is also no such thing as b-c techs anymore in Toyota land. The dealer I work at most of the guys with tenure and tied up with warranty work. The gravy jobs such as brakes are being botched by kids that were doing oil changes last week. If you aspire to reach master tech status in this industry you’ll just get treated wrong all while making $3 an hour more than some kid that was changing oil last week
@@TheCarGuyOnlinewhat’s up with the car care nut, me thinking he is a bit of a fraud after “purchasing” a vehicle with a massive engine defect that could very well fail out of warranty… also he kept listing things he didn’t like, very bizarre
They are paid flat rate time same as all other warranty repairs.
98% of the "dealer technicians " are not trained for a job like rebuilding a engine. There it goes all the precision made posible at the factory. Now you will have 55 more points of failure.
I worked a 4 dealerships as a service advisor. Couple garages as a technician. All of the dealerships had times where motors needed rebuilt. Honda for example with the oil consumption issues. They did so many of them, that they techs started beating the warranty labor time, which is commonly less than real labor time. 9 out 10 times, they never came back with issues. Only for maintenance and they remained happy customers. When i worked at ford and some diesels had to be taken completely down, the techs did just fine. It's possible. However, i think with toyota giving junk time limits and the motor being complex, that will make it less reliable. More techs over the bs than anything. But to say 98% are not able to do this job is absurb. All dealerships have different level techs. The ASE dealership certified techs for major engine builds will be the techs on the job. Not the tire and lube techs or maintenance and parts changers.
@MsAce0424 it's not absurd at all. It's realistic. Techs make major mistakes all the time and forget lots of things. You're trying to make it seem like you have a 100% completion rate when that's far from the case.
They are not rebuilding the engine just replacing the short block.
@garytheguru just replacing the short block? You have to take apart the whole brand new engine and put the parts on the "short block." It is like rebuilding the whole engine without rebuilding the whole engine! Lol
Mechanic’s are NOT engine builders and NEVER have been ever ( some may THINK they are ) sorry guys and girls , stay with your specialty, Toyota needs to supply a complete NEW engine or refund the customers in full for the trucks purchase price , these trucks are worthless now . Common sense should prevail, use a tried and true V8 small block engine and these customers will be LOYAL for ever and ever. V8’s are for trucks and V6’s and L4 are CAR engines, to ALL of these so called designer and engineers, PLEASE put your CRAYON SET 🖍 away, you all are costing EVERYONE too much money
Quit giving parts and have a whole new block and bearings.
I agree.
Remedy: 5.7 V8
Not according to the EPA....
@@Take_America_Back : how about the Chev variable displacement V8s? Or the Ford V8s that spit out their spark plugs?
But I do agree quality, long lasting vehicles would be a nice choice. A friend had an old Toyota Hilux, with a 4 cyl diesel that served him many years.
@@drewthompson7457 The EPA another dirty corrupt Agency.
3.0, 3.5, or 3.6L natural V6 option with better MPGs.
@@AbouTto_ : my 2 L turbo SUV can get 35 mpg on a trip, mostly highway, to a cottage. Which of your choices beat that? The Honda NA V6 gets max torque about 2500 higher rpm.
Max HP is about the same. Mpg much worse.
I just sold my 23 with 22k miles. Not taking any chances.
Wise move. 👍
I sold my 24 Trd pro with 6700 miles, got a Nissan frontier. Was so glad to get rid of that ticking time bomb
Sold my 23 1794 TRD Long bed. Unicorn and I loved it but I'm not a gambler. Took my losses and hopefully a class action comes of it for diminished value. Done with Toyota
Fake ass bot accts. Just dumb.
I sold my tundra 2022 limited on 7000 miles
I bet less than 1% of the Tundra owners (or any car for that matter) actually go on forums or do research regarding vehicle recalls, etc. which explains why this is still selling like it is.
You are probably right, but I see a startling number of people in these groups that post many times, they know of the recall, then they buy anyway. They just gotta have it...
Actually people spend more time researching a car purchase than their kid’s daycare.
@@appleiphone69 right, but not recalls or issues, more like specs like horse power and gas mileage.
@@1420MHZ disagree people research down into minutia.
Last Friday, I bought a beautiful ‘23 Tundra. I was going to take delivery this coming Friday but just spent the last day or so watching dozens of UA-cam videos discussing the engine issue. Needless to say, I bailed on the deal this morning!
I had been blissfully unaware of the entire debacle, and feel like I narrowly avoided disaster.
Going back together will never be as good as from the factory. MHO.....my 2019 ECO XLT Ford had 2 brand new 10 sp trannies in 25k miles and then blew again... Ford fixed it again and then I got a 22 Tacoma.
Not my experience. Had an Acura RDX that had a bad 6-spd tranny 2 years after purchase. It was replaced and worked very well without any issues till I sold it. The suspension, on the other hand...
This is a jigsaw puzzle for the mechanics I thought I had it bad 25 years ago trying to figure out how everything went back together this is ridiculous these trucks going to squeak and Rattle and leak after you get them back from the dealership this is like building a truck off the assembly line from scratch again never will ever buy one just a word to the wise if you're wise enough to stay clear😅
imagine youre a tech and you have 6 trucks needing the same thing behind the one your working on. SM yelling at you to finish because labor pays 29 hours.
none of those trucks will be put back together right.
29 hours at 100 an hour is only 2900. When this job is easily a 40k job. What a rip off
A Toyota "Technician" using a steel pry bar on aluminum castings? 😳
I thought about the same thing when watching...was cringing. Maybe he watches "I Do Cars"....forbidden glitter on the way.
Yeah. This guy is probably as smart as all of the people that make these videos and comment on them. They all think that they can build a better truck. A bunch of clowns.
There are pry points cast in specifically for that.
Expecting any tech to give a shit about your vehicle is a losing game. The goal is to get it out as fast as they can so they can make more money.
Every bolt on this Toyota engine has a specific torque value. You never see tech using a torque wrench except for head bolts and bearings.
The people buying these things are the same idiots that buy a new iPhone every year. It’s just a flex, Look what I can afford!
The car care channel said a full engine replacement goes for 30-35k depending on labor rate
I used to rebuild Cat and Cummins 6.6/6.7, each job was 30-50k. That was 10 years ago.
2 Turbos cost More Than a 5.7 engine ! Toyota has turned to CRAP QUICKLY ! SUCKS !
😅😅😅... 2 weeks ago, Chevy quoted my sister Tahoe 15k for the long block.
Anothe YT'er speculated that the 24's were not recalled so they can sell them first. Otherwisw the dealers would have to hold onto them until the Safety Recall can be taken care of, which son't be for a while.
Yeah I have that in one of my previous videos as well, I agree. They didn't want to include the 24s because they have no remedy for the recall yet, which would have forced a stop sale on them.
Toyota taking the cheapest shortest route my neighbor going though major issues with his !!!
i used to be Toyota die-hard. i've owned 11 over the years. i currently have a 2014 Tacoma thats been problem free since new. I will not be looking at Toyota for its replacement; they're no longer built the same.
As a retired Toyota tech I’ve been thru several recalls on there vehicles mainly the 3.0 v-6 head gasket recall I can tell you this from experience they will fix this problem what ever it takes it will be at the technician cost but it will be fixed they stand behind there products better than a lot of other manufacturers if they know there is an issue with it the 60k warranty is out the door they will usually fix it no matter the mileage I worked as a tech for 22 years and seen them pay warranty claims the big 3 would laugh at you about so all I ask is to be patient in my honest opinion the story’s about other dealerships not taking them in on trade are just them trying to hurt Toyota reputation they know the truck will be fixed
Amen, Chevy is not fixing lifters and cams with a new block.
They only fix what is broken.
Those trucks will never be 100% right after the short block is swapped
I'm amazed at how they don't install crate engines from factory, they just rebuild the broken ones. I feel some major problems incoming. Ouch.
oh ya
I think the sales figures are more a reflection of people being unaware of the issue than of disregarding it. Were it not for my UA-cam addiction, I wouldn't have a clue this problem exists. I was impressed with the look of the truck in person but had read so many negative comparison test outcomes before even hearing about this issue, that alone was a turnoff. But I kept coming back to the perceived reliability of it - perceived apparently being the operative word.
I do think there are people that have no idea, I agree, but there are a lot of people that know about the recall and buy anyway. Pretty weird.
@@TheCarGuyOnlinepeople don’t do research before buying.. and the salesman and dealer discounts and low apr offer is attracting more buyers than previous years.
@@TheCarGuyOnline They think it won’t happen to them.
An engine builder is so much different than an automotive technician.
The amount of precision is remarkable. If you clean the parts too aggressively or tighten bolts in the wrong order, you will have problems.
On aircraft. Line and overhaul are two different jobs!
I guess I dodged a bullet when I traded in my 2015 tundra for a 22 Ford 150 powerboost. I was pretty close on pulling a trigger on a tundra, but thankfully that awful grill turned me off.
it has to be big for all those radiators :)
Either the new sales are to 1) customers who are still ignorant of the engine failures/problems, or 2) Customers are willing to take a chance, considering they're being offered the biggest discounts they've seen on a tundra in decades.
Paying 70k for a truck that might have the engine grenade is my new definition of insanity. Imagine having one do this at 61,000 miles. The Toyota of yesteryear probably would've taken care of it regardless. I don't know about now.
We are living in crazy times. The fact that anyone pays $70,0000-$100,000 for a truck boggles my mind (even if it's a good truck), and defies all logic in the case of the Tundra. I could see justifying it for a business or something that gets to depreciate it, but not as a commuter/personal truck.
Right on. This situation is going to turn into the same thing as the Tacoma frame replacements by 2025
Who would've thought thinning a frame was a good idea. The welds were also done by children in Mexico. Look it up
Could not agree more. I'm keeping my 2001 Tacoma and my 1979 GMC K20 pickup forever. No way I'm, buying a truck that needs a $1000 code reader to even diagnose a problem
Toyota hasn't changed. They deal with these issues the same they always have. Just like when the 3.0 V6 head gasket and valve issues were occuring, they eventually were coerced to step up to the plate and cover the problems, but they dropped the compensation to the service and parts departments to mitigate costs. This ends up with rushed jobs and poor service quality. People who ride the Toyota Popsicle conveniently forget all their missteps.
Never thought I'd see the day when people were saying to go to the big 3 because the Tundra isn't reliable. I'm 2016 Tundra has 130k miles and hasn't been back to the dealer once since new, and I've drove it like I stole it since day one. It's a Sad day.
With proper maintenance , your Tundra can be one of the last trucks you ever buy. Unless you want all the fancy new bells and whistles.
The most reliable new truck is the Titan now. Too bad it’s getting discontinued
@@Drg24800 we can't have nice things anymore
@@danfontes9130 I will be sad when the day of naturally aspirated engines comes to an end.
@@Drg24800 Chevy HD gas was up there for reliability
"Never buy the first model year (or two) of anything." I've said it dozens of times. I trust Toyota to fix the issue. Their reputation for reliability means a lot to them and people often forget that reputation means a lot to any of these companies.
I agree so much with that first sentence. I’ve bought three new vehicles from a dealership. All three were 4+ years into a generation. Two were the LAST year of a generation.
Maybe it should be don’t buy the first 4 years of a new model.
@@jerad4336 they're only in the 3rd year but yes, theoretically that's even safer
Why do you have to take the cab off the chassis to have an engine removed to be fixed or do the same to get to the turbos or waste gate to fix it? That's terrible engineering!
@@oluseyigearhead4466 follow a few repair guys on social media and you'll see that it is pretty common practice these days when you need to do major engine work. It is deemed to be much easier than trying to hoist the engine out and modern vehicles have so many required components that there isn't room under the hood like there was in the 1970's. One guy I follow, FlyingWrenchesAuto, is frequently removing cabs on the Fords he works on.
4k for a Turbo, I must be out of the game a while I was buying turbos all day long that were 1300 to 700 bucks for a 52mm
hehe I thought the same thing. I guess last time I was pricing turbos was with my Z32.
No way...i was paying 500 for a 98mm in 2012 for my JZ
Tundras are still selling because the big three is also plagued with issues. I have two wealthy friends who both bought similar model Cadillac Escalades. Both had complete engine failure at 35k and 50k. Another friend bought a new Silverado 3.0 diesel. Engine failure at 30k. The dealership told him they had so many in for the same issue, he would need to wait 2-3 months in line to get a new engine. The dealership had no rentals to give him. Traded it in for an F150.
It's too bad the titan is going away again. People are leaving the tacoma for frontier. I imagine many will do the same with tundra to titan
With a Cummins option as well for the Titan.
Would be better off buying a new Nissan Titan.
100%
Absolutely not. They are no longer manufacturing parts. There is already a few critical components you can not get.
Toyota knows there is a problem and needs to do the right thing and buy them back. Even VW bought back my sisters diesel Jetta because they lied about emissions.
The government forced them to buy it back. It wasn't from the goodness of their hearts.
Lots of bored miserable haters in the facebook groups. Sales are still high because the average joe is buying a tundra due to past reliability that people have come to expect.
Stock lost a little bit but starting to recover. With people buying, prices are not going to go down. Predict within a few years we’ll be seeing tundras over 100k. Half the quality at twice the price and we have no one to blame but ourselves.
yeah it bugs me when folks say "it's under warranty". That's not really the point, if people don't vote with their wallets, Toyota will continue to build these poorly...
I humbly disagree. Toyota will get the message, at least they did with the Land Cruiser.
Here’s my perspective on why people still buy or at least consider buying the Toyota Tundra over the big three American brands:
1. The big three (Ford, GM, and Ram) have a history of not prioritizing their customers’ needs. Despite being brand new, these trucks often have issues, as the manufacturers focus more on aesthetics than reliability. I know many Ford, GM, and Ram owners who are frustrated because parts start failing after just 50,000 miles.
2. Toyota, on the other hand, has always emphasized reliability over flashy features. Their trucks may not be the most stylish, but they are dependable. This applies to Nissan trucks as well. Japanese engineering and their commitment to customer satisfaction are unmatched in the auto industry.
3. While the recent engine breakdown issue with Toyota is concerning, their reputation for reliability suggests they will address the problem thoroughly. My 2011 Tacoma still runs like new, while my friends have already had to replace their trucks multiple times due to issues with the big three. This challenge will pass, and Toyota will continue to prove its worth.
You are correct as far as I'm concerned on all 3 points. I got tired of spending so much time at Stellantis and GMC dealerships and in loaner vehicles. I bought a brand new GMC Sierra SLT with 5.3 in 2018. Awesome riding and driving truck, but terrible wind/road noise - dealer couldn't or wouldn't fix, several recalls, infotainment system glitched, brake controller/modulator (truck brakes, not trailer brake module) had intermittent warning light, burning 1-1/2 quarts of oil between 5000 mile oil/filter changes with only 28,000 miles on it along with numerous other issues. It was at the dealership for some issue every couple of months. I got rid of that thing just before the bumper to bumper warranty ran out. I bought a 2024 Tundra iForce Max with no hesitation, no regrets - oil and filter changes only, everything works, no glitches, tows my tractor better than the GMC towed my lawnmower (same trailer).
I have been buying toyotas since 2011 and had a 1997 4runner that never broke down and I bought it used with 200,000 on the odometer.
But every toyota since 2011.......tundra,4runner,tacoma have been so reliable and only oil changes and tires is the most I've done to them.
Toyota will fix this❤
And you still believe in the Easter bunny..
I'm torn between the Frontier V6 or F150 V8. Great prices now and no drama.
Great trucks
Ford has much more recalls than Toyota. Recently, something like half a million for a steering fault.
Titan V8 would be more reliable than F-150
Ford
These are different size trucks, Frontier is a much smaller mid-size truck.
I mean the Nirvana playing would be enough for me to walk off the job...
A lot of very stupid people out there buying these trucks
So they are changing to a redesign main bearing? Like I have said for weeks, its not a debris issue. It is a clearance issues causing bearing failures. They a thin oil for better fuel economy. The thiner the oil, the tighter the clearance. They must have pushed it to far and got pinched.
Now imagine if this happened during COVID. It would be over a year to get your vehicle back.
Personally, I wouldn't buy a new Tundra for years. No resale value because people are scared of these. Even Tacomas are overpriced, just like the Tundras. Toyota is dropping quality, jacking up prices. Who is making these poor manufacturer decisions? It seems like Toyota is going down-hill fast! Pretty soon Chevrolets will be the more reliable truck. Well, let's not go that far, but you get my point!!!!!!!!!!! TOYOTA, YOU SUCK!
Toyota has dropped the ball on these new Tundra trucks and theTacoma trucks that are made in Mexico. Toyota quality control has really shrunk, and the materials that they use are sub quality at best. No way would I pay 70 thousand for a Tundra truck with a turbo V6 engine, or the Tacoma trucks that have the turbo V4 engines. I'm old school, I prefer the Tundra trucks that have the V8 engine in them and the Tacoma trucks that had the V6 engine. Now they have messed up the Lexus LX and GX Suv's with those turbo V6 engines, they were better with the V8 engines. If I decide to buy a brand new truck, I will look at the Nissan Titan or Frontier trucks. If I go the pre-owned route, I will look at a Tundra truck from 2018 - 2021 because of the V8 engine. Come on Toyota, get your act back together and start building quality vehicles like you guys used to do before it is too late. Nobody deserves a vehicle that is a piece of crap!
Was looking for a new mid size pickup. Never ever considered anything besides Toyota. Then the new forced induction tacomas and tundras started blowing up. Never thought Id own a Nissan but I picked up a 2024 Frontier Pro4x fully loaded. V6 power!
It's a POS and on top of that it's ugly. New Tacoma is not attractive either. Toyota is done and I hope they never recover from this massive change in engineering. They burned so much of their loyal customers in every way possible, I'm out.
Obviously they should have made a more fuel efficient V8
instead. Keeping my 5.7 for a very long time.
That V6 is crap 💩
I’ve commented before. I have owned 6 Tundras. Two from each generation. Owned one 21’ F-150 King Ranch. I now have a 24’ GMC Sierra AT4X. I’ve put 7200 miles in 3 mos. 3.0L Duramax. So far it’s the #1. Initial quality is incredible. I drive a ton of muddy, rutted, snowy, rocky terrain. Sorry Toyota. I’m finished.
What a great truck. My friend just got an AT4 with the 3.0L. I thought it felt great. I had the same observations you did, it was dead silent in the cab, fit and finish seemed great, and the engine has plenty of power for me. I don't care about racing my truck like a lot of folks do I have a Tesla for that :).
@@TheCarGuyOnline I’ll take 24-26 MPG Baby Diesel over the twin turbos 14-16 MPG all day.
@@mdoneg It's crazy that a 1/2 truck can get that mileage with the torque it has...
Eyeing an AT4 diesel myself. Really love the interiors.
@@krninja22 You won’t regret it.
Sadly the Tundra owners will have to face the reality of having a lemon truck on their hands. Toyota will comply with all of the requirements of posting recall notices, mailing out notices, etc., and the only thing they don't have to do is meet any deadline cause there is no deadline in the recall regulations. Toyota can drag this on for several years.
The official recall from Toyota directly is not out yet it is due according to Toyota directly at the mid to end of this month meeting July 2024, so we shall see what is covered and what is not my self included may or may not be directly affected by said recall, so I have been following this extremely closely as well They need to replace everything of the transmission if they are going to do it right not faced lemon law refund laws if your vehicle is not in your possession and in the shop for more than 15 days or returns for the same thing three times in a year you have the right to demand refund for the purchase price of your vehicleat least in my state every state very slightly, but is generally the same overall
My sisters best friend bought a 2024 Tundra in May....I was visiting in early June and we all got together and I asked said to him..."Tim, why did you buy a Tundra?? He asks wha?? He was a former Tacoma and 2 Corolla owner. He had not heard anything of the Tundra trouble (and also didn't believe me that there was a recall) at all but he also doesn't follow car stuff like I do. Lets not assume everyone knows about this which is shocking to me. He hasn't had the engine blow yet but he has had it towed once for check engine and rear diff issues as well as leaking seals on the rear windows. The fixes were obviously under warranty but he seems not too care at all about the potential engine failure, he said, if it fails, he will just get it fixed, doesn't care.
And they're paying BMW/MB prices...
Let him enjoy the $30k bill when it fails under warranty
@@JDMFR3AK He owns a bank
Toyota/ Lexus warranty pay was always sh!t. Techs were under payed to fix Toyota’s sh!t engineering.
I had a 21 SR5 🌮 and now I have a 23 TRD OR 🌮. I’m happy with it and I have no desire to get a gen4 taco if they gave me a free upgrade. I wouldn’t touch a Tundra either if they offered to give me a free upgrade rom my 23 Tacoma.
I am a Toyota fan amd I know a lot of manufacturers make mistakes but Toyota should have known better IMO. I trust Toyota but none of the new gen vehicles. A Third gen Tacoma is like a Glock 19 to me lol
My son-in-law has A2 3G. MC Sierra xfinity one is been in the shop and been torn down 3 times in a year. So so the problem is everywhere just because. They are trying to do what the government asked them to do instead of getting 17 miles per gallon. See if you can get 19 miles per gallon. S***, everybody that has a big truck. 98% of the careless about what they pay for gas. It's about driving the big truck. Come on, people, you all know they all have problems. I'm not a Toyota guy.I drive a g m c 42 thousand and one with four hundred and seven thousand miles on ithere you go
I've been a Toyata fan since the 70s. I can not believe what has heppend to this company. Did black rock buy it? I'll never buy another after this fiasco.
I don't blame people for liking Toyota, I do hope they like their vehicles and have safe driving and swift repairs, but I honestly swear that the company has long rested on its laurels and used its reputation and public trust as excuses to cheapen their quality and gouge their prices. To me, their greed and laziness is biting them in the ass. I plan to get a midsize but have no interest in the Tacoma, both because it doesn't appeal to my tastes and because I'm not satisfied with what little it offers for how much it asks.
Bring back the 5.7L, it is bulletproof. This V6 is garbage....will also be turbo failures coming at 100k+
People are stupid. First they the tundra is way too expensive. Also there reputation is shot damn toyota
People are so stupid! Their sales should be at record low. And 4k for one turbo.
Hey if folks can still buy fords with all there recalls why not enjoy a Toyota 😂😂 at Toyota will do the customers right
Almost grabbed a '24 Capstone Jan 1, dealer and I were $500 apart and I walked...they tried in Feb but would not drop the $500 so found a '24 Sierra 3500 Denali 6.6 Duramax and allison trans....so glad...
If you do any towing, the duramax will be far better in the long run. Resale higher too.
These things all have rattles. My headliner on my platnium has a clicking in cooler weather but goes away partially when its hot out. it is right over the driver seat and if you press on it it sounds like wrinkling of paper.
Would like your thoughts on the best 1/2 ton brand and engine option to get at least 150K relatively hassle free miles. Ford makes great trucks, especially like the aluminum in the rust belt, but overall build quality is suspect. Ugggh. I wish Toyota hadn’t missed the quality focus on the Tundra. Why after 3 model years does the rear window trim still not meet/too short? Man, that’s embarrassing.
It's a tough market for reliability if you are buying new. If I were forced to put money on what I think would be relatively trouble free (engine wise), I would say the GM 3.0L Duramax (latest revision) or the Ford 2.7L Ecoboost. The thing I don't like about either of those engines is the wet oil pump belt, but that's a 200k maintenance item so maybe not a big deal if you sell before then. If you are really wanting Toyota, I do think that we'll have a better idea if the engine issues are resolved by the end of this year/early next year. If we keep seeing 2024s dying then it's a sign to stay away IMO. I agree, it doesn't seem like Toyota is fixing some of the basic complaints on the Tundra, people forget it was released in 2022, so many complaints just keep repeating and are still prevalent on the 2024s which is frustrating. I was looking to buy one too...and held off due to the issues.
I had a 2023 Tundra and got the recall notice. Toyota told me “Not to worry!” I said nope I don’t want a rebuilt engine if it detonates. So I traded it in for a leftover 2023 Ram Big Horn Hemi. I was lucky the Ram dealership was unaware of my recall! 🤷🏽♂️
There's gonna be a lot of used loaners for sale soon.
as a former tech and service manager I guarantee you that once this repair is done you will have nothing but problems. A small percentage of techs are going to do this right. Get it fixed and then sell it.
22 platinum 45k miles still holding strong. As far as the sales go I’d bet my house these sleezy car salesman are either minimizing the recall, dramatically over explaining so people tune them out, OR not saying anything about it and playing dumb.
Yeah probably right. It's also that a lot of folks view this failure as "no different than the big 3", so they just take the risk anyway. So many FB group posts and forum posts where people just don't seem to care, even those knowing about the recall.
I own a great 2012 with the 4.6 with 230k. Love my truck but I am done with Toyota Trucks. Buying a new Titan soon. Bye Toyota Tundra.
The old 4.7L and 4.6L were great...5.7 was good too. I hope they turn it around...
LoL ! The same type of people who Support Trump, keep on buying failing Toyota Tundra's...they just do not know Better.
Hopefully you don't support the other guy that doesn't even know his own name :).
I would like a new Tundra, but they are stupid expensive. Might wait till 2025 and see if they have the problem fixed.
yeah even with the discounts they are too pricey IMO.
Seems like perfect time for Toyota techs to strike
Toyota should have stayed with the V8!!!
While it's disappointing behavior, O can understand why some Tundra owners demean those with catastrophic engine failure.... they have a significant interest on maintaining the traditional high re-sale values Toyota is known for. Those owners likely paid a premium for Toyota's reliability, only to discover their new vehicles will have very low re-sale value.
5.7 Toyota just put back the 5.7...
They should just be dropping new updated engines built form the factory not taking he existing motors apart and replacing the blocks and making technicians do it
Shoulda done like ford n kept a V8
I wonder what the incidence of this is compared to GM’s 5.3 lifter failure. A lot of those fail too.
I guess none of you guys watch these diesel Repair channels that it shows Ford GMC Ram. All the problems they are having to tear these motors down just to keep them clean. They all have problems all of them. Give me a 1967 Volkswagen beetle. And I'll be happy
Everybody cashing their stocks and buying Tundras before the crash only to find out they will be left stranded and with a blown out truck 😂
There’s a reason why the last record years were 2007/2008 just look at the charts.
Oh s4¡+! Mine was built 5/24. Who knows when the engine was assembled?
July 30, 2021 to November 25, 2022 is what NHTSA has issued the recall for.
@@ryanskare6670 new 1st and 4th bearing part numbers begin April '24.
With unprecedented engine failures and a major recall, the Tundra is selling more units in 2 months than an entire year of sales for the Ford Mavric.
That tells you how much faith people have in Toyota. Hopefully Toyota fixes all of the problems and rebuilts their reputation...they have a lot of work to do.
@@gregd4391 let’s be fair , Toyota Tundra should never compared to a ford maverick, not even a close comparison
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Obviously, I was not comparing the vehicles, I was comparing the sales numbers.
Lower-priced items usually have higher sales volume that more expensive items, so one might expect more Mavrics to sell.
But if you want a closer comparison, Mavric annual sales are closer to a single month of Tacoma sales.
I would like to know the real numbers. How many dealerships are buying these trucks in the name of an employee then selling it on the used lot? Something is very fishy here and I'm surprised your antenna weren't raised by these probable lying numbers
I have a 07 Tundra and was in the market for an upgrade. Test drove the F150, Ram and the new Tundra. Found out about the Tundra issues right before I pulled the trigger at the dealership. Ended up with a sleeper pick with a 2022 Nissan Titan pro4x. 27k miles for 35k and couldn’t be happier with my decision. Test drive a Titan!
No, it's still a cluster
As brother has always said you can’t fix stupid !
LOL...I almost put that Ron White bit in there..."You can't fix stupid...."
I love my 2019 v8
Aluminum blocks who would have thought Toyota could be so stupid. I will never buy any product with one for good reason. Been an owner since 1982 still running my 22R motor rebuilt it twice at a cost of under 1500 dollars each time. From what I can see all the new vehicles, tractors and appliances are junk and over priced. Fix your old ones, pay cash and pay your house off.
They are LEASING THEM for cheap!
I wouldn't call it cheap but you are right, lease deals in the $400s.
Strong sales because people buy everything no matter how bad it is. The reason we drive expensive junk is because we allowed it. Consumers are stupid.
Vin#, plant built at, was it a Monday, or a Friday?
Exactly! Lazy ass auto workers are really only reliable for 2 or 3 days a week.
I keep saying, its not the bad engines that is the issue. They will fix that. Wtf is up with tearing the truck down to the frame for an engine replacement
Do you really want a USA American tech touching your truck. Only real Japanese workers should ever build and repair and assemble these trucks. No USA technician can replace these engines error free it will be an absolute disaster. They can't even change the oil properly these days.
Hey man, thanks for the videos. I was thinking of buying a 3000 lb boat and truck to tow it, and then I fell down this rabbit hole. What do you recommend? A 2020 Tacoma/Tundra?