Father's Day; Pete's death goes from being a hit and run accident to a suicide, and 1987-Jackie doesn't know that it was a heroic act of self-sacrifice. All she knows is that her husband stepped out in front of a car, closed his eyes and waited for it to hit him, and she lives with that for twenty years. That would be an enormous character change.
I thought it was more like, when Pete sacrificed himself time was set back to normal of him accidentally getting hit by the car, but then Rose comforted him as he died
@@flowerangel502 It was explicitly changed. Originally he died somewhere else, alone in a hit and run ("Never found out who it was"), after buying the vase. In the second timeline, he died outside the church; "For some reason Pete just ran out. The driver was just a kid; he stopped. People say there was this girl; she sat with him and held his hand".
I like to think that at least Rose told her the truth sometime after Parting of the Ways, which is why she settles in with his parallel version surprisingly quickly in Doomsday despite not even wanting to discuss him (while sober) in S1.
Jackie doesn’t seem to think it’s was intentional though. There are lots or possible reasons someone can run out in front of a car with out it being suicide.
For the Flesh twist, as Amy is unconscious, the Flesh version is just her brain filling it like a host. The Flesh with it's own conscience being killed would have been more brutal since it doesn't need a host. Basically, I don't think the Doctor went psycho mode there!
Yeah, been awhile since I've seen it but am pretty sure the clones of the workers were exceptional cases, regular flesh duplicates, including Amy's, collapse the moment their pilot logs out.
Don't the Flesh clones lather say that they could *Feel the pain of the flesh that died and got disposed by the hosts* ? it was pretty clear that the flesh is universally conscious but if you enter your mind in it, it will subjugate the Flesh's own consciousness for your's to rule I don't think it matters where they had hosts or not, the Flesh is alive in all iterations of itself and the show gives evidence of that
@@uneterostardust8233 it’s also implied though that they evolved to be that way because that facility used them over and over again so can’t be as sure about Amy’s that said I’m not sure either reasoning matters as these were the types of questions the Doctor was wrestling with but in the end to find Amy he had to do it. He’s known to break his rules to save the people he loves so wether it felt the death or not wouldn’t have mattered in that moment.
The fact that The Doctor seems to know how some of his friends will die (ie. The Brigadier in 'Battlefield', where The Doctor thinks he's been killed by The Destroyer, and says: "You stupid, stubborn, thick-headed numbskull! You were supposed to die in bed!"), really bothered me the first time I saw the episode. The implications of it are incredibly creepy when you think about it. Has The Doctor, at some point, been at a loose end, and decided to travel round, and catalogue the deaths of some of his older companions? The Brigadier did die peacefully in his bed, as revealed in 2011's 'The Wedding Of River Song'. The Doctor telephones to enquire about his old friend, only to be told that he had died shortly before. It was included as a tribute to the recently deceased Nicholas Courtney. I'm not crying, you are.
It’s not foreshadowing though is it? Or him saying he’s gone round and found out how they all die. Surely it’s him saying ‘don’t be so reckless you’re not supposed to die like this you’re supposed to die as an old man safe in bed’. A bit like how Jack tells Rose in titanic that she’s going to die an old lady warm in her bed and not here right now in the frozen sea. It’s more metaphorical than ‘I know how you die’
@@SStupendous I don’t think so personally. He’s a much loved companion and the actor died peacefully in his bed. It’s more out of respect that the brigadier did as well. Where else would you have somebody die If you’re doing a tribute to the actor?. It’s more out of respect than a throwback to an episode in 1988.
Amy’s ganger was not made independently sentient like the others during their solar storm, there was a mental link with the original Amy so the ganger was literally just a spare body. This is explained in the episode and subsequently in a good man goes to war.
yes and as long as it was "alive" Amy was unconscious. Amy was about to give birth. She had the right to be awake, if nothing else then to experience that.
Also, weren't the ones previously encountered "beta" versions, i.e. the technology that Amy's ganger uses is more advanced, and doesn't lead to ganger conscience. Or did I make that up?
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The doctor didn't kill the Amy flesh. He severed the connection between Amy Pond and the flesh. Since the flesh reverted to its natural state of puddle it was not sentient yet. The flesh in the episodes could function without connection where the Amy flesh could not. The doctor also states it wasn't the same kind of flesh.
How about the fact that the first Doctor in the Hellbent time loop must have been just running around naked till he died to leave his clothes by the fire for the next one
More disturbing than the unborn children turning into the Master is the unborn children being spontaneously aborted when the mothers turned into the Master. Imagine every pregnant woman on earth wakes up to find out she's miscarried.
Number 2 was actually made more hopefull in the novelisation of "Twice Upon A Time", which explains Nardole DID succeed in saving the colony's people from regular Cybermen attacks until all they had to deal with was the occasional pest of Cybermats.
@@ronburgundy244 Years later of old age, having had five wifes, two of which at the same time, and got picked up by accident because he was mistaken for human, but Nardole ended being able quilt trip them into saving his memories anyways instead of trowing him back.
Oh brilliant. The one companion that Moffat did actually kind of kill quite depressingly. Is also undone and given a happy ever after 🤦🏻♂️ Moffat is just unable to kill anybody properly at all
Will say, the ganger thing is acknowledged literally in that very scene ‘given what we’ve learnt I’ll be as humane as I can but I need to do this’ Also the doctor murders people all the time. Not even through implication, just straight up. He’s not Batman.
Well I mean maybe there’s a chance the tardis realized their Bcs we see in the drs wife episode that the brain of the tardis moves differently and is moving fast so it might not have pieced all of the clues that Amy was a ganger until there but might have had only hints but there is still a chance that it did know the whole time also I can’t really argue with the dr killing people all the time since I just started binging dr who
8 is expanded upon and dealt with in the recent mobile game "The Lonely Assassins". Really good story if you ask me, definitely worth the time and money. In short, yeah, that does happen pretty much.
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@@jamesmayle3787 Many atheists (in America at least) have read the bible in its entirety more than once. Many credit this as the reason we stopped believing it. If you want your religion to be more successful then maybe you should encourage your people NOT to read the bible. `,:D
I know they said that the metacrisis Doctor had a human lifespan but he was created in the TARDIS. If River Song can regenerate after being conceived there and Jenny can despite being created by a Progenitor I think he's got a shot. I also think he should be the Valyard but nobody asks me.
Hoe about this? As far as the unborn babies turning into The Master it seems like a new twist on the abortion debate. A more interesting question is if he still had that resurrection ability could all the not-so-decomposed bodies have turned into him and came to life, maybe with separate regeneration of himself. Maybe that is why MIssy had so many people resurrected as Cybermen to secretly hide millions of different version of herself like a twisted Jenny so that they could go through space and time. Finally the Sacha Dwan Master could have been so fond of cyber Timelords because they were really TARDISes that were hollow, moving, suits of armor that could all hide in the final explosion as they secretly transport off.
@BOTHthosearetaken I don't see how those relate. River was conceived not just onboard the Tardis but also while it was in-flight within the Time Vortex. Regardless the Doctor exclaims that it still shouldn't be possible for members of a race to produce an offspring as far evolved as a Timelord just like that as it took his race generations of exposure to the Vortex over eons which makes her not just a product of circumstance but a nigh impossible outcome despite those circumstances. Jenny didn't even regenerate because she couldn't since the Doctor's initial cold statements towards her were true: Jenny is Gallifreyan but not Timelord. It's been stated by Moffat, the person responsible for her not remaining dead at the end of the episode as it's writer had planned, that Jenny was revived by The Source which was the "terraforming mist" McGuffin that caused the episode's conflict which the Doctor unleashed just prior to her death. This revival via direct exposure to The Source was likely a one time thing due to the circumstances of that death although she hasn't died again yet so we can't say anything for sure aside from the fact that she can't Regenerate like her parent or it would've happened the first time. Details from Timeless Child may end up retconning some of this but these details are still canon as far as we know. Meta-Crisis 10 grew out of 10's severed hand using the excess Regeneration Energy stored in it after 10 cut his Regeneration short upon finishing the healing phase. The Tardis was parked within the universe (one second out of sync but that's beside the point) when Meta-Crisis formed so external "time energy" wasn't a factor like with River which just leaves the hand with the half-Regeneration worth of energy to work with and it had to grow an entire body. Yes there is a time/space rift at the Medusa Cascade which Davros intended to exploit but it was sealed long in the relative past by either a ninety year old 1 as an Academy test or 8 during the Last Time War depending on who you ask (both could be true since the Time War was complicated), Davros was just certain (rightly so) that his Reality Bomb would penetrate that seal to affect the multiverse as well.
@@danthemeegs8751 Fair enough! It would be a long way down my list though. (Mind you I'm old enough to have watched the Delgardo years when it seemed the Master was on every other story) :)
There's actually a simpler disturbing implication from Blink, that lightbulb isn't going to last forever. The angels can move just fine in the dark, so as soon as the bulb blows (It's an incadescent lightbulb, so that wouldn't be too long) they're free. Speaking of which, how was there still electricity going to Wester drumlins in the first place? It's an abandoned building and has bee for years, so who's paying the electricity bills - the angels? Another implication from The End of Time, some people would have died as a result of transforming into the Master. For instance a freeclimber halfway up a rockface would alomst certainly have fallen mid-transformation. If the Master clones could regenerate, and weren't transformed back by Rassilon this means there could be a few dozen or a few hundred Masters out there! (A possible origin for Dahwan's Master?)
So to note about “Blink” and the Weeping Angels, the follow up/sequel in “Doctor Who: The Lonely Assassins “ game. They cover this that yes… (small spoiler alert), theAngels are able to break out because of someone else going to the house. But the game gives a better way for how the Angels (in that house at least) are handled. No Game ending spoilers, but it addresses this better.
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Yeah, and that is so incredibly stupid an episode idea that I've never watched it again. Imagine what that would do to the tides, and life on the planet that depends on them, for one. Just... sheer, undiluted stupidity! It's more stupid than the Love & Monsters episode, in fact, at least IMO.
A better one for "the Amy ganger number on the list" The tardis knew that Amy was a ganger the whole entire time. And chose that moment to show the doctor when where and how gangers were created
Well I mean maybe there’s a chance the tardis realized their Bcs we see in the drs wife episode that the brain of the tardis moves differently and is moving fast so it might not have pieced all of the clues that Amy was a ganger until there but might have had only hints but there is still a chance that it did know the whole time
The Doctor found earlier, that Amy is a ganger, since at the end of this episode, as he reveals Amy's ganger, he tells Rory (and Amy's ganger), that he wanted to see the Flesh for himself, find out, what's it about, how it thinks and stuff. So the Doctor was aware for quite a time. At least one whole episode earlier, if not more. The Doctor is clever and he's also old, experienced, he might have met the Flesh already. The facility wasn't the only one using the Flesh for dirty work. There were more like that.
Another problematic side-effect of The Master transforming every human on Earth into clones of himself is that... well, The Master has never exactly been a _team player,_ has he? When you think about it, all he really achieved was turning 7 billion potential subjects into 7 billion enemies who had exactly the same capabilities and selfish nature as himself. Rather than a world full of humans he could easily manipulate, he was suddenly on a world of powerful Timelords with a lust for power. Even when Simms' Master met Missy there was a definite undercurrent of mistrust because they both knew full well the other would happily kill them in a second if it meant they'd benefit from it. Now imagine not just _one_ person he couldn't trust, but a whole _planet_ full of merciless equals ready to stab him in the back.... Frankly, it's amazing he lasted five minutes without a blodbath - half of him killing the other half of him before turning on each other, each trying to become the last Master and succeed where all the others had failed. I know _logic_ says that if they worked together they would better achieve their goals, but I find it hard to believe that all those _other_ Masters would just stand back and let the "original" get all the glory.
Something to consider. As far as the unborn babies turning into The Master it seems like a new twist on the abortion debate. A more interesting question is if he still had that resurrection ability could all the not-so-decomposed bodies have turned into him and came to life, maybe with separate regeneration of himself. Maybe that is why MIssy had so many people resurrected as Cybermen to secretly hide millions of different version of herself like a twisted Jenny so that they could go through space and time. Finally the Sacha Dwan Master could have been so fond of cyber Timelords because they were really TARDISes that were hollow, moving, suits of armor that could all hide in the final explosion as they secretly transport off.
As I understood it the "clones" are him in every way sharing there minds as one almost a "We are legion" sort of thing, as for Missy killing Simms' master that was because she saw that the doctor was right all along
Its more than implied that he has some sort of mental connection to others. Master is better at mind things than doctor. So it would stand reason that he is connected to them.
I really want some kind of expanded media single story just about the masters wife and what she went thru during the year that never was. Idk if I'm the only one but I feel like it would be fascinating and tragic. I just wanna know more about her character there's such juicy material there
To be fair, when the Silence was asked, what would they do if they were human and the Silence invaded, it was the particular Silence being questioned that said, "You should kill us all on sight." They arranged for their own deaths.
The thing that bothers me with the weeping angels at the end of Blink is that, technically, two of them aren't being looked at as the ones across from them are facing to the side. Not sure if that was a production error or just nobody ever noticed, but it's always irked me a little.
No but they’re all being looked at though, maybe not straight in the eyes but all of them can see at least one other angel. 🪨 🪨 ⬅️ these two can see the angels diagonally from them so they’re being observed \ / \/ /\ 🪨-🪨 ⬅️ these two are looking at each other so they’re being observed and can each see ⬆️ those angels out of the side of their vision. They’re not directly looking at them but would still clearly see them And all of them can see every other out of their peripheral vision, it might just be the edge of a head, or the side of an arm, but there’s at least one piece of angel being seen by another angel that could freeze them in place.
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On 8: This is straight up the plot of the Lonely Assassin's game. Someone moved into Wester drumlins, the statues were disturbed, the angels were back.
I always thought lucy shot the master because she loved him. She didnt want him kept In a cage in the tardis, I thought this was implied because David Tennant was telling the master that he would be his prisoner forever right before lucy shot him.
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@@jamesmayle3787 I went to a Christian school, I've read the bible, I can recite the lords prayer. I've learned, I've observed, and I've made my decision regarding religion.
@@jamesmayle3787 the bible has been edited an tinkered with hundreds of times. Even if the original bible was the word of truth, it's been so long, and there have been so many rewrites, it no longer is.
@@turtleface25 just remember it’s the doing that’s the important part of faith. If you never put Jesus Christ’s lessons into practice it’s as good as never having read them. Also, there’s this secret thing involved about it that I’ve found. It takes an adult to find god the correct way. Children, and I mean that up to 20, they don’t understand temptation yet. That’s why so many of us leave around college. It’s the first time we’ve really been tempted away from our parents. If you took it seriously at all as a child, you’re basically guaranteed to fall in your 20’s. That’s why god waits until you come back as an adult. That’s when Faith really counts. Because then you understand what sin is and what resisting it means for you. Please try again. It really does matter the age you do it. Remember forgiveness is key. To be forgiven we must forgive. That’s something most people ignore that Jesus Christ taught. It is very important. God is real.
You should do a list of Doctors who aren't THE Doctor. The Curator John Smith Jenny Handy Human Ten Donna's Universe dead Doctor Doctor-Donna Jackson Lake Eleven's Ganger Teselecta Eleven etc
Didn't Clara and Missy both pretend to be the Doctor at one point? Also - I adored Jackson Lake! Wish they could find an excuse to bring him back again
You're telling me I'm supposed to be shocked by a being hell bent on causing pain, death and destruction wherever he goes, being responsible for suffering of countless planets and civilisations hitting a woman?
Yeah I found that one very weird. I didn't even think they were at all subtle about it. I haven't seen the episode in ages, but if someone told me he actually hit her on screen I would believe it.
One of the doctor’s worst decisions to save a life. Ursula is aware, she can’t walk, touch, can’t have or look after children, or ever leave Elton’s room and see other people, can’t get a job or travel abroad. They can’t get two-way pleasure from sex. Elton is now even stuck with her as an obligation if they just don’t work out as a couple. The doctor should have let Ursula die.
Tardises have varying degrees of sentience, some may have none at all and merely be machines. This seems most likely in this case considering what the doctor did to it.
The idea of them being organic was introduced in the lore at the beginning of the reboot with the 9th Doctor and confirmed in story during 10's time (Satan Pit). Though the idea of a Tardis being organic is one of the worst retcons RTD introduced and it conflicts with every classic story that addresses how a Tardis works, so glad they stopped mentioning it after he left and they returned to the more technical look, the one shared by Matt Smith and Peter Capaldi is by far the best in the reboot!
As far as the unborn babies turning into The Master it seems like a new twist on the abortion debate. A more interesting question is if he still had that resurrection ability could all the not-so-decomposed bodies have turned into him and came to life, maybe with separate regeneration of himself. Maybe that is why MIssy had so many people resurrected as Cybermen to secretly hide millions of different version of herself like a twisted Jenny so that they could go through space and time. Finally the Sacha Dwan Master could have been so fond of cyber Timelords because they were really TARDISes that were hollow, moving, suits of armor that could all hide in the final explosion as they secretly transport off. The Master transported humans who turned into himself and he could have done the same to Timelords.
In the special where the 12th doctor meets the first, he also meets the regenerated clones of the souls of Bill Potts and Nardole. This implies that Nardole is dead.
@@bart2019 well not really because bill is technically “alive” even though she’s a psychic projection of sentient oil. i think because the doctor is dying that the testimony can take the shape of someone he loves. anyway clara is not really dead, she’s clinically dead but she’s out there in a flying diner
Regarding the Weeping Angels at the manor... they were trapped in a basement. All it would take would be for the light to be switched off and darkness to cover the angels for them to revert back to life. Whether the lightbulb blows out from overheating, or the electricity to the manor is cut off, they'll likely escape before anyone else went down there.
Actually, there was food in the panic room in arachnids in the UK. The doctor put them in there so they would simply live to death without them killing humans because there was no better option and they wouldn't have suffocated as there would be an air supply cos people are supposed to be in there yk
What about the ultimate fate of humanity from the Utopia episode (from series 3 episode 11)? Ending up in a rocket at the actual end of time (the heat death of the universe), having to resort to turning themselves into zombie cyborg heads in metal spheres just to survive. That is some legit nightmare fuel right there.
I would pretty much bet, that it was the Master, who turned them into these spheres. After all, they were surely outfitted with some impressive and also quite deadly tools, like knives, lasers, ...
I think one that should be on this list is what happens to the main villain in the first episode of series 7B. She was being controlled by the Great Intelligence and when the doctor defeated them the Great Intelligence released its control on her, reverting her back to who she was before its influence. Unfortunately, it had been in her life since she was a little girl. So now there is a little girl trapped in an adult's body who is going to prison for something she has no idea about and she has basically been robbed of her childhood and life.
There is actually some panels in a Doctor Who Comic where 11 and 8 come together to defeat an alternate Universe Bad Wolf where Metacrisis Doctor has been shown to have a happy life with Rose and their daughter.👍So heads up he‘s still kicking!
Wait....hang on. If there’s a parallel Universe, then wouldn’t that mean that that universe would already have a version of Gallifrey, which has its own timelords and they have their own Doctor, so technically that universe would already have a version of the Doctor who may or may not be in their 10th incarnation and GAH! ALTERNATE REALITIES MAKE MY HEAD HURT!
For ‘The Doctor Falls’, we already knew everyone died based on the events of ‘Twice Upon a Time’ ending. Showing The Testimony being Bill and Nardole whilst The Doctor finally comes to reality on his regeneration. Just wanted to clarify things there.
@@PipsyProductions just a thought, but maybe this video was written & recorded before that sponsored one.. Still could've probably been edited in though. Oh well
Isn't the whole point of The Doctor Falls that everyone is going to die? There are multiple (excellent) moments which pretty much go beyond implication. e.g. "without hope, without witness, without reward"
I mean, maybe that implication is why they deleted the scene? I'm not sure we can take a deleted scene as cannon. In the version that aired, they were not left with any TARDIS.
With the first one, my interpretation is that the Doctor's comment about needing to see the Flesh in it's early stages is because the technology had advanced significantly since then, preventing the flesh from retaining memories and consciousness once the connection to the original was cut, it seemed to me like the most logical way society could move forward from there, and the only way to rationalize the Doctor's actions in the last scene from his stance throughout the rest of the episode. Remember Almost people was set in the 22nd century, A Good Man Goes to war is set in the *52nd* that's a lot of time for the technology to evolve.
I mean the meta crisis Doctor is said to be unable to regenerate, but now with the Timeless Child twist, I think there's no reason to believe he'd be unable to regenerate, since the ability has to be in his genetics
My head cannon for the flesh is that the doctor mentions that he wants to Learn about it so he goes to where it starts (when the flesh had just started to be used) due to Amy being a future version of the project the kinks may have been worked out meaning it’s painless or because she is a flesh from a different time
I would bring up The Rings of Akhaten. The Doctor and Clara basically destroyed that world's sun. And after this happens, the show just cuts back to The Doctor and Clara returning to Earth.
I like to think that The Doctor merely overdosed the parasite inside their star leaving the star in tact. Also the little girl in that episode is Kinsey in Locke & Key.
1:35 think about the Doctor's psychic connection to the Flesh at the start. Is it possible he felt all those deaths too? And because he had a connection, is it possible he felt when ganger Amy died as well? I think his dialogue in the ending scene mentions he's going to do it "as quick as possible"--he knows perfectly well how painful and scary it will be and doesnt want to inflict it on EITHER Amy on the off chance ganger Amy truly is sentient. He essentially personally killed an alternate version of his best friend after failing to save her and her daughter. It's dark, but its because its yet another moment of grief and pain.
the angels in the basement just need to wait till the light bulb burns out , it was dark enough for them to move when it was flickering so once it dies they will leave without any human intervention needed . ive always thought about that ever since it was aired
A Town Called Mercy: A horse asks (through the Doctor as he is the only one to understand them, also seen in one of Capaldi's episodes) to have her chosen gender identity respected. With that level of self-awareness, horses could be considered sentient and thus are slaves who are turned into glue and other products. One time joke and pro-trans comment turns a bit dark for horses.
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I expected 'Dark Water' to be on this list, and then I remembered that peoples' consciousnesses surviving their deaths, and experiencing whatever happened to their bodies (incineration, dissection... oxygen starvation?) wasn't 'implied', it was stated to be *happening* by at least one of the supposed consciousnesses, and the real issue is that this idea was used in a pre-watershed show, viewed by many children, in the first place. What was Auntie thinking?
At the end of Blink the four Angels are alone in a dark cellar with only one light bulb. All it takes is for that bulb to go out and they'll be free. No one even has to enter the property.
#2: Nardo died shortly after. The next episode was a Christmas special, where the Doctor went to the South Pole (or North Pole?l and met his first incarnation. In that episode he also met a reincarnation of Bil Potts,, the storyline being that the spirit of people gets snapped up right before they die. As Nardo was also there in the same manner, that implies he's dead too.
HEAVEN SENT: After realising he hasn't time-travelled and has been there "a very, very long time", he also states that he "can remember it all." He basically implies that he can remember every loop. He can remember 4.5 billion years of grieving, fear, confusion, loneliness, confessing, torture, and being burnt to death.
the master becoming everyone on earth is far worse than you think. what about women half way through giving birth? or what about couples who are currently having sex? if the genitles of the women in this scenario change, then what does that mean for the other partner's (other master's) genitles? do the two masters fuse together down there? or worse? yeah the whole thing has horrific implications.
Again, this is another instance where WC have made me think "wtf are they talking about". The MAIN implication with that episodes is that LIGHTBULBS ONLY HAVE A CERTAIN LIFESPAN. As soon as the power is cut or that bulb dies, the angels are free. Really has nothing to do with if someone goes to the house again or not, because that's only relevant if the light is still on and someone turns or moves the angels.
My question about the 4 weeping angels trapped looking at each other is this..... What if the lights in the basement go out? Then wouldn't the angels just move away from each other while the light is out and be free????
I always thought the Fleshy Amy was different from the other Fleshers, future tech and all that, so the Flesh one was strickly a proper avatar... That is still my head canon
When it comes to the giant spiders my head canon is that the doctor moved them to another planet off screen. Also when it comes to the meta crisis doctor, I theorize that they become the valeyard, so it gets even more disturbing. Yep even in the doctor falls are dead.
I interpreted the Spider incident as this new Doctor, now relatively happy and accepting of necessary consequences after her previous incarnation's self discovery story arc, not wanting her brand new companions to see her being so overtly callous.
The Other Doctor Who is human but if he enters the new version of the tardis wouldn't it effectively fix his ability to restore his regeneration process sort of? He and his wife Rose effectively could become the Adam And Eve of Gallifrey in their universe which could spell a weird theory about the timeless child story and the origin of Doctor Who Prime the lost child of time but weird and bizarre is a possibility about origins especially when time and space are open to theories?
Regarding the Master clones, do they possess all of The Master's abilities, including regeneration? If so, give this some thought. There has to have been at least a few humans who were in the process of dying when this happened. If this would have triggered the regeneration, there would also be different looking Masters wandering around. How would this have impacted events? Further, the regeneration may have inadvertently saved these dying humans, with their injuries or illnesses no longer being there when everything went back to normal. So this would mean The Master actually saved more lives than he killed, even if it was by accident. Unless the regeneration makes it so that the humans retain the new form when its all over. This would open up a whole new box of problems.
I'd argue that you should only be on Team Flesh in the circumstances where the Flesh has become independent from the person it resembles. So it's not really about being on Team Flesh, but rather Team Ganger. Because the Flesh wasn't originally independent, the Amy clone was Amy, not an individual. Even if you argue that the Flesh can technically feel death, it doesn't mean it can perceive that feeling if the Flesh doesn't have its own fully functional nervous system.
Examples of the doctor doing out of character things in the current series isn't really disturbing implications, its just disturbing that the writers have pretty much abandoned the Doctor's true nature in alot of ways
Blink doesn't need someone to find them and break their lines of sight. They're in a basement, the lights shouldn't be on in the first place, the bulb and power service isn't going to go on forever anyway. They'll be lucky to be kept down there for 6 months.
Nardole died/was destroyed on the colony ship so there's literally no-one else to fight against the cybermen, so pretty much 100% confirmed everyone on the ship eventually died
Also all the weeping angels need to do is turn off the light again in the basement. Or even more likely, wait until the light bulb burns itself out if they can't do that...
8: Aren't all the weeping angels (at least the ones around the Tardis) in the impound parking garage? They will be moved almost immediately by the police... who don't know to keep their eye on them...
They were in the Western Drumlins house, in the basement. They surprised Sally and Larry on the first floor and blocked the exits (both were locked), the only passable door led to the basement.
As far as the unborn babies turning into The Master it seems like a new twist on the abortion debate. A more interesting question is if he still had that resurrection ability could all the not-so-decomposed bodies have turned into him and came to life, maybe with separate regeneration of himself. Maybe that is why MIssy had so many people resurrected as Cybermen to secretly hide millions of different version of herself like a twisted Jenny so that they could go through space and time. Finally the Sacha Dwan Master could have been so fond of cyber Timelords because they were really TARDISes that were hollow, moving, suits of armor that could all hide in the final explosion as they secretly transport off.
When sally goes down into the basement and sees the blue box shes looking at 3 angels then the one from upstairs comes down then no ones looking at the other 3 but they are locked in place by the one on the stairs yet they start to turn off the lights then they were able to move again. When the tardis de-materialized locking all the angels in place. Its guranteed they escaped as they would of just turned off the light and able to move again
Also if u think about the silence where there constantly being murdered think about all the bodies people are running over or seeing and not remembering
The metacrisis thing upset me because. The doctor himself didn't regenarate fully. I know it was to tie the story together but it was counted as on of his life cycles. So in away we were cheated out of a new doctor/face. Always bothered me. In alot of was were are missing a doctor in his first cycle. Unless you count David as two doctors. Because note Peter is the first in a new cycle. However I do want to talk about the doctor getting a new cycle. Some have said that breaks the rules of Doctor Who. Oh no no. If you go back and watch the Five Doctors episode. The time lords call on the Master to go and help the doctor in the Death Zone. As reward they offer him a new cycle of lifes. So it is canon. However the master found ways himself to cheat death. However I still do like Doctor Who though it still gets me we were cheated a doctor. Also I not to big on the Other/Past life of the doctor thing. I hope they fix that make it where we find out the Doctor is related to the Other.
The silence is worse when in the next season it's shown not all of there species are "evil" although it's pretty clear humans with the "programming" wouldn't know the difference, and kill them all on sight, regardless.
@@alexandermacdougall7873 We know that holographic still images work, as shown in the TARDIS. Video transmissions work, as shown in the moon landing on TV. It would make sense that a corpse laying there would still work too.....as long as it hasn't decomposed too far. Which, by the way, means that after River killed all of them, she still knew what she had been doing....seeing the corpses keeps the memory from going away.
Father's Day; Pete's death goes from being a hit and run accident to a suicide, and 1987-Jackie doesn't know that it was a heroic act of self-sacrifice. All she knows is that her husband stepped out in front of a car, closed his eyes and waited for it to hit him, and she lives with that for twenty years. That would be an enormous character change.
I thought it was more like, when Pete sacrificed himself time was set back to normal of him accidentally getting hit by the car, but then Rose comforted him as he died
@@flowerangel502 It was explicitly changed. Originally he died somewhere else, alone in a hit and run ("Never found out who it was"), after buying the vase. In the second timeline, he died outside the church; "For some reason Pete just ran out. The driver was just a kid; he stopped. People say there was this girl; she sat with him and held his hand".
I like to think that at least Rose told her the truth sometime after Parting of the Ways, which is why she settles in with his parallel version surprisingly quickly in Doomsday despite not even wanting to discuss him (while sober) in S1.
@@rebeccahill6187 Expanding on what she told her in The Parting of the Ways, yes.
Jackie doesn’t seem to think it’s was intentional though. There are lots or possible reasons someone can run out in front of a car with out it being suicide.
For the Flesh twist, as Amy is unconscious, the Flesh version is just her brain filling it like a host. The Flesh with it's own conscience being killed would have been more brutal since it doesn't need a host. Basically, I don't think the Doctor went psycho mode there!
It's just another instance of this channel being completely clueless lol. Like 80% sure these guys don't watch the show
dont think so either
Yeah, been awhile since I've seen it but am pretty sure the clones of the workers were exceptional cases, regular flesh duplicates, including Amy's, collapse the moment their pilot logs out.
Don't the Flesh clones lather say that they could *Feel the pain of the flesh that died and got disposed by the hosts* ? it was pretty clear that the flesh is universally conscious but if you enter your mind in it, it will subjugate the Flesh's own consciousness for your's to rule
I don't think it matters where they had hosts or not, the Flesh is alive in all iterations of itself and the show gives evidence of that
@@uneterostardust8233 it’s also implied though that they evolved to be that way because that facility used them over and over again so can’t be as sure about Amy’s that said I’m not sure either reasoning matters as these were the types of questions the Doctor was wrestling with but in the end to find Amy he had to do it. He’s known to break his rules to save the people he loves so wether it felt the death or not wouldn’t have mattered in that moment.
The fact that The Doctor seems to know how some of his friends will die (ie. The Brigadier in 'Battlefield', where The Doctor thinks he's been killed by The Destroyer, and says:
"You stupid, stubborn, thick-headed numbskull! You were supposed to die in bed!"), really bothered me the first time I saw the episode. The implications of it are incredibly creepy when you think about it. Has The Doctor, at some point, been at a loose end, and decided to travel round, and catalogue the deaths of some of his older companions?
The Brigadier did die peacefully in his bed, as revealed in 2011's 'The Wedding Of River Song'. The Doctor telephones to enquire about his old friend, only to be told that he had died shortly before. It was included as a tribute to the recently deceased Nicholas Courtney.
I'm not crying, you are.
Oh God...that's some major foreshadowing, and good work on Moffat to remember that line.
A moment ago the UI on YT comments just changed.. weird
It’s not foreshadowing though is it? Or him saying he’s gone round and found out how they all die. Surely it’s him saying ‘don’t be so reckless you’re not supposed to die like this you’re supposed to die as an old man safe in bed’. A bit like how Jack tells Rose in titanic that she’s going to die an old lady warm in her bed and not here right now in the frozen sea. It’s more metaphorical than ‘I know how you die’
@@obiwankenobi687 I don't think in 1988 they were thinking about that intentionally, they picked it up though in 2011.
@@SStupendous I don’t think so personally. He’s a much loved companion and the actor died peacefully in his bed. It’s more out of respect that the brigadier did as well. Where else would you have somebody die If you’re doing a tribute to the actor?. It’s more out of respect than a throwback to an episode in 1988.
Amy’s ganger was not made independently sentient like the others during their solar storm, there was a mental link with the original Amy so the ganger was literally just a spare body. This is explained in the episode and subsequently in a good man goes to war.
yes and as long as it was "alive" Amy was unconscious. Amy was about to give birth. She had the right to be awake, if nothing else then to experience that.
Also, weren't the ones previously encountered "beta" versions, i.e. the technology that Amy's ganger uses is more advanced, and doesn't lead to ganger conscience. Or did I make that up?
@@jejejow you're spot on. The doctor says he went to the castle/factory to learn more about the flesh in its early days.
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@@jamesmayle3787 cum
The doctor didn't kill the Amy flesh. He severed the connection between Amy Pond and the flesh. Since the flesh reverted to its natural state of puddle it was not sentient yet. The flesh in the episodes could function without connection where the Amy flesh could not. The doctor also states it wasn't the same kind of flesh.
Disturbing implication #10: Clara’s gran saw my swinging junk
I don't see the disturbing part. Regeneration may be a lottery but you definitely won it 😏
the money i’d pay to replace her in that moment 😫😫
She seemed happy enough about it.
@@djco5782 Well, you can’t blame her!
@@djco5782 Clara's gran got the best Christmas gift, seeing the Doctor's personal sonic screwdriver
How about the fact that the first Doctor in the Hellbent time loop must have been just running around naked till he died to leave his clothes by the fire for the next one
Haha yes and he would’ve been the first one to make the soup.Hope he was careful, cooking when naked could be hazardous for a man! 😫
Maybe there was a different set of clothes for the first Twelfth Doctor to wear.
At the end of The Idiot's Lantern, the boy is advised to go back to his ABUSIVE father. Should be on this list.
The same domestic abuse as with the Master's wife but more so because of the addition of the son and her mother.
Was very confused and uncomfortable while watching this scene. But this episode was bad anyways.
Never understood that, why should a teenager rehabilitate his abuser?
More disturbing than the unborn children turning into the Master is the unborn children being spontaneously aborted when the mothers turned into the Master. Imagine every pregnant woman on earth wakes up to find out she's miscarried.
Oh my GOD 😳
Unless Rassalon reverting everyone was just a big undo button and restored them as well
That was my first thought after watching this
Not just miscarried, finding their unborn baby laying on the floor infront of them
I like to think that the fetuses just die.
Number 2 was actually made more hopefull in the novelisation of "Twice Upon A Time", which explains Nardole DID succeed in saving the colony's people from regular Cybermen attacks until all they had to deal with was the occasional pest of Cybermats.
Oh that's lovely I'm glad
Yay 😃
Then when the fuck did he die? We know for a fact he did die given how he appears at the end of Capaldi's last episode.
@@ronburgundy244 Years later of old age, having had five wifes, two of which at the same time, and got picked up by accident because he was mistaken for human, but Nardole ended being able quilt trip them into saving his memories anyways instead of trowing him back.
Oh brilliant. The one companion that Moffat did actually kind of kill quite depressingly. Is also undone and given a happy ever after 🤦🏻♂️ Moffat is just unable to kill anybody properly at all
Will say, the ganger thing is acknowledged literally in that very scene ‘given what we’ve learnt I’ll be as humane as I can but I need to do this’
Also the doctor murders people all the time. Not even through implication, just straight up. He’s not Batman.
Well I mean maybe there’s a chance the tardis realized their Bcs we see in the drs wife episode that the brain of the tardis moves differently and is moving fast so it might not have pieced all of the clues that Amy was a ganger until there but might have had only hints but there is still a chance that it did know the whole time also I can’t really argue with the dr killing people all the time since I just started binging dr who
Wait sorry wrong comment that I replied to just ignore the previous one
8 is expanded upon and dealt with in the recent mobile game "The Lonely Assassins". Really good story if you ask me, definitely worth the time and money. In short, yeah, that does happen pretty much.
And the craziest part is this channel actually promoted the game so should know
@@jay_Roe the script for this video was written well before the game launched. unfortunately continuity issues are going to happen from time to time!
@@jay_Roe Promoting the game doesn't mean they also play the game. How many UA-camrs do you think actually play Raid Shadow Legends?
@@TheBatch62 Yeah, it's the sort of thing where you're much better off watching a video or reading about it.
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Arachnids is horrifying. Do you remember when 10 offered to take the racnoss to a planet to live out their lives in peace?
Yes but there were far too many spiders to take on to the TARDIS without them murdering all the companions
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@@jamesmayle3787 Many atheists (in America at least) have read the bible in its entirety more than once. Many credit this as the reason we stopped believing it. If you want your religion to be more successful then maybe you should encourage your people NOT to read the bible. `,:D
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--- Stan Marsh.
"Yeah... let's go play 🚒🚚🚛🛻 trucks."
--- Kyle Broflovski.
@@jamesmayle3787 What's this got to do with Doctor Who exactly?
I know they said that the metacrisis Doctor had a human lifespan but he was created in the TARDIS. If River Song can regenerate after being conceived there and Jenny can despite being created by a Progenitor I think he's got a shot.
I also think he should be the Valyard but nobody asks me.
Hoe about this? As far as the unborn babies turning into The Master it seems like a new twist on the abortion debate. A more interesting question is if he still had that resurrection ability could all the not-so-decomposed bodies have turned into him and came to life, maybe with separate regeneration of himself. Maybe that is why MIssy had so many people resurrected as Cybermen to secretly hide millions of different version of herself like a twisted Jenny so that they could go through space and time. Finally the Sacha Dwan Master could have been so fond of cyber Timelords because they were really TARDISes that were hollow, moving, suits of armor that could all hide in the final explosion as they secretly transport off.
@BOTHthosearetaken I don't see how those relate.
River was conceived not just onboard the Tardis but also while it was in-flight within the Time Vortex. Regardless the Doctor exclaims that it still shouldn't be possible for members of a race to produce an offspring as far evolved as a Timelord just like that as it took his race generations of exposure to the Vortex over eons which makes her not just a product of circumstance but a nigh impossible outcome despite those circumstances.
Jenny didn't even regenerate because she couldn't since the Doctor's initial cold statements towards her were true: Jenny is Gallifreyan but not Timelord. It's been stated by Moffat, the person responsible for her not remaining dead at the end of the episode as it's writer had planned, that Jenny was revived by The Source which was the "terraforming mist" McGuffin that caused the episode's conflict which the Doctor unleashed just prior to her death. This revival via direct exposure to The Source was likely a one time thing due to the circumstances of that death although she hasn't died again yet so we can't say anything for sure aside from the fact that she can't Regenerate like her parent or it would've happened the first time. Details from Timeless Child may end up retconning some of this but these details are still canon as far as we know.
Meta-Crisis 10 grew out of 10's severed hand using the excess Regeneration Energy stored in it after 10 cut his Regeneration short upon finishing the healing phase. The Tardis was parked within the universe (one second out of sync but that's beside the point) when Meta-Crisis formed so external "time energy" wasn't a factor like with River which just leaves the hand with the half-Regeneration worth of energy to work with and it had to grow an entire body. Yes there is a time/space rift at the Medusa Cascade which Davros intended to exploit but it was sealed long in the relative past by either a ninety year old 1 as an Academy test or 8 during the Last Time War depending on who you ask (both could be true since the Time War was complicated), Davros was just certain (rightly so) that his Reality Bomb would penetrate that seal to affect the multiverse as well.
@@KHloreExpert It's still fun to think about.
@@RJL738 True.
The Lucy Saxon one is a brilliant list entry, I literally never noticed it and I've watched it tons of times
One of the worst things the master has ever done
@@danthemeegs8751 Lol no...
@@danthemeegs8751 'Worse than killing 1/10th the population of Earth (700,000,000 people)? Worse than destroying Japan?
@@jimg9820 notice that I said ONE OF the worst things. Not THE worst thing
@@danthemeegs8751 Fair enough! It would be a long way down my list though. (Mind you I'm old enough to have watched the Delgardo years when it seemed the Master was on every other story) :)
There's actually a simpler disturbing implication from Blink, that lightbulb isn't going to last forever. The angels can move just fine in the dark, so as soon as the bulb blows (It's an incadescent lightbulb, so that wouldn't be too long) they're free. Speaking of which, how was there still electricity going to Wester drumlins in the first place? It's an abandoned building and has bee for years, so who's paying the electricity bills - the angels?
Another implication from The End of Time, some people would have died as a result of transforming into the Master. For instance a freeclimber halfway up a rockface would alomst certainly have fallen mid-transformation. If the Master clones could regenerate, and weren't transformed back by Rassilon this means there could be a few dozen or a few hundred Masters out there! (A possible origin for Dahwan's Master?)
So to note about “Blink” and the Weeping Angels, the follow up/sequel in “Doctor Who: The Lonely Assassins “ game. They cover this that yes… (small spoiler alert), theAngels are able to break out because of someone else going to the house. But the game gives a better way for how the Angels (in that house at least) are handled. No Game ending spoilers, but it addresses this better.
Ah, yeah I knew I couldn't be the only one to note that.... How does this channel just ignore that amazing game?
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The moon 🌙 being an 🐣 seems like it would have pretty apocalyptic implications.
Yeah, and that is so incredibly stupid an episode idea that I've never watched it again. Imagine what that would do to the tides, and life on the planet that depends on them, for one. Just... sheer, undiluted stupidity! It's more stupid than the Love & Monsters episode, in fact, at least IMO.
It's a reference to an old English nurse rymhe. The griffin and the moon
I was always terrified I would get replaced with the flesh as a child
The flesh are basically just clones, capable of thinking and acting for themselves. you ain't safe yet pal sorry
I always hoped I'd get replaced, then one 'me' could go to work for a week while the other chilled out, then swap over lol
A better one for "the Amy ganger number on the list" The tardis knew that Amy was a ganger the whole entire time. And chose that moment to show the doctor when where and how gangers were created
Well I mean maybe there’s a chance the tardis realized their Bcs we see in the drs wife episode that the brain of the tardis moves differently and is moving fast so it might not have pieced all of the clues that Amy was a ganger until there but might have had only hints but there is still a chance that it did know the whole time
Wait sorry wrong comment
@@souplover9654 you _can_ just delete your accidental comment, you know.
The Doctor found earlier, that Amy is a ganger, since at the end of this episode, as he reveals Amy's ganger, he tells Rory (and Amy's ganger), that he wanted to see the Flesh for himself, find out, what's it about, how it thinks and stuff. So the Doctor was aware for quite a time. At least one whole episode earlier, if not more. The Doctor is clever and he's also old, experienced, he might have met the Flesh already. The facility wasn't the only one using the Flesh for dirty work. There were more like that.
Another problematic side-effect of The Master transforming every human on Earth into clones of himself is that... well, The Master has never exactly been a _team player,_ has he? When you think about it, all he really achieved was turning 7 billion potential subjects into 7 billion enemies who had exactly the same capabilities and selfish nature as himself.
Rather than a world full of humans he could easily manipulate, he was suddenly on a world of powerful Timelords with a lust for power. Even when Simms' Master met Missy there was a definite undercurrent of mistrust because they both knew full well the other would happily kill them in a second if it meant they'd benefit from it. Now imagine not just _one_ person he couldn't trust, but a whole _planet_ full of merciless equals ready to stab him in the back.... Frankly, it's amazing he lasted five minutes without a blodbath - half of him killing the other half of him before turning on each other, each trying to become the last Master and succeed where all the others had failed. I know _logic_ says that if they worked together they would better achieve their goals, but I find it hard to believe that all those _other_ Masters would just stand back and let the "original" get all the glory.
Something to consider. As far as the unborn babies turning into The Master it seems like a new twist on the abortion debate. A more interesting question is if he still had that resurrection ability could all the not-so-decomposed bodies have turned into him and came to life, maybe with separate regeneration of himself. Maybe that is why MIssy had so many people resurrected as Cybermen to secretly hide millions of different version of herself like a twisted Jenny so that they could go through space and time. Finally the Sacha Dwan Master could have been so fond of cyber Timelords because they were really TARDISes that were hollow, moving, suits of armor that could all hide in the final explosion as they secretly transport off.
As I understood it the "clones" are him in every way sharing there minds as one almost a "We are legion" sort of thing, as for Missy killing Simms' master that was because she saw that the doctor was right all along
@@typhusnurgle409But can you imagine countless Masters out there somewhere that look different from one another?
@@RJL738 the writers could use that to say "that's why the doctor is still fighting the master even though he died"
Its more than implied that he has some sort of mental connection to others. Master is better at mind things than doctor. So it would stand reason that he is connected to them.
I really want some kind of expanded media single story just about the masters wife and what she went thru during the year that never was. Idk if I'm the only one but I feel like it would be fascinating and tragic. I just wanna know more about her character there's such juicy material there
To be fair, when the Silence was asked, what would they do if they were human and the Silence invaded, it was the particular Silence being questioned that said, "You should kill us all on sight." They arranged for their own deaths.
For a long time now I thought I was just a survivor, but I'm not. I'm the winner that's who I am. the Timelord victorious
The thing that bothers me with the weeping angels at the end of Blink is that, technically, two of them aren't being looked at as the ones across from them are facing to the side. Not sure if that was a production error or just nobody ever noticed, but it's always irked me a little.
No but they’re all being looked at though, maybe not straight in the eyes but all of them can see at least one other angel.
🪨 🪨 ⬅️ these two can see the angels diagonally from them so they’re being observed
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🪨-🪨 ⬅️ these two are looking at each other so they’re being observed and can each see ⬆️ those angels out of the side of their vision. They’re not directly looking at them but would still clearly see them
And all of them can see every other out of their peripheral vision, it might just be the edge of a head, or the side of an arm, but there’s at least one piece of angel being seen by another angel that could freeze them in place.
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On 8: This is straight up the plot of the Lonely Assassin's game. Someone moved into Wester drumlins, the statues were disturbed, the angels were back.
I always thought lucy shot the master because she loved him. She didnt want him kept In a cage in the tardis, I thought this was implied because David Tennant was telling the master that he would be his prisoner forever right before lucy shot him.
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@@jamesmayle3787 I went to a Christian school, I've read the bible, I can recite the lords prayer. I've learned, I've observed, and I've made my decision regarding religion.
@@jamesmayle3787 the bible has been edited an tinkered with hundreds of times. Even if the original bible was the word of truth, it's been so long, and there have been so many rewrites, it no longer is.
@@turtleface25 just remember it’s the doing that’s the important part of faith. If you never put Jesus Christ’s lessons into practice it’s as good as never having read them. Also, there’s this secret thing involved about it that I’ve found. It takes an adult to find god the correct way. Children, and I mean that up to 20, they don’t understand temptation yet. That’s why so many of us leave around college. It’s the first time we’ve really been tempted away from our parents. If you took it seriously at all as a child, you’re basically guaranteed to fall in your 20’s. That’s why god waits until you come back as an adult. That’s when Faith really counts. Because then you understand what sin is and what resisting it means for you. Please try again. It really does matter the age you do it. Remember forgiveness is key. To be forgiven we must forgive. That’s something most people ignore that Jesus Christ taught. It is very important. God is real.
@@jamesmayle3787 What's your hokey fake religion got to do with Doctor Who exactly?
I thought it was obvious the end of blink was a temporary solution. I didn't give it a second thought
You should do a list of Doctors who aren't THE Doctor.
The Curator
John Smith
Jenny
Handy Human Ten
Donna's Universe dead Doctor
Doctor-Donna
Jackson Lake
Eleven's Ganger
Teselecta Eleven
etc
You forgot Rowan Atkinson's Doctor
Didn't Clara and Missy both pretend to be the Doctor at one point? Also - I adored Jackson Lake! Wish they could find an excuse to bring him back again
@@N2Deep00 no he was actually the doctor, theres also the unboun d doctor played by the same guy who played the scientist in
sorry David Warner
You're telling me I'm supposed to be shocked by a being hell bent on causing pain, death and destruction wherever he goes, being responsible for suffering of countless planets and civilisations hitting a woman?
Yeah I found that one very weird. I didn't even think they were at all subtle about it. I haven't seen the episode in ages, but if someone told me he actually hit her on screen I would believe it.
One of the doctor’s worst decisions to save a life. Ursula is aware, she can’t walk, touch, can’t have or look after children, or ever leave Elton’s room and see other people, can’t get a job or travel abroad. They can’t get two-way pleasure from sex. Elton is now even stuck with her as an obligation if they just don’t work out as a couple. The doctor should have let Ursula die.
We learnt that the Tardis is a living being during 11s run as the doctor, then 13 killed one just to defeat the Daleks…
Tardises have varying degrees of sentience, some may have none at all and merely be machines. This seems most likely in this case considering what the doctor did to it.
The idea of them being organic was introduced in the lore at the beginning of the reboot with the 9th Doctor and confirmed in story during 10's time (Satan Pit).
Though the idea of a Tardis being organic is one of the worst retcons RTD introduced and it conflicts with every classic story that addresses how a Tardis works, so glad they stopped mentioning it after he left and they returned to the more technical look, the one shared by Matt Smith and Peter Capaldi is by far the best in the reboot!
@@timidwolf I could have sworn it was implied in the original series.
actually we got the hint the TARDIS is alive all the way back to the Edge of Destruction, the third story of the FIRST doctors era
@@patrickmccurry1563 it was, and you could hear her talking form time to time (not with words of course)
This is my favorite list you've done so far. This is the kind of stuff that keeps me up at night and I love it.
As far as the unborn babies turning into The Master it seems like a new twist on the abortion debate. A more interesting question is if he still had that resurrection ability could all the not-so-decomposed bodies have turned into him and came to life, maybe with separate regeneration of himself. Maybe that is why MIssy had so many people resurrected as Cybermen to secretly hide millions of different version of herself like a twisted Jenny so that they could go through space and time. Finally the Sacha Dwan Master could have been so fond of cyber Timelords because they were really TARDISes that were hollow, moving, suits of armor that could all hide in the final explosion as they secretly transport off. The Master transported humans who turned into himself and he could have done the same to Timelords.
if i remember correctly in twice upon a time nardole said that he lived a full life protecting everyone from the odd waves of cybermen attacks.
yeah in an audio short last year, bill & nardy have a conversation about his life on the ship
In the special where the 12th doctor meets the first, he also meets the regenerated clones of the souls of Bill Potts and Nardole. This implies that Nardole is dead.
@@bart2019 well not really because bill is technically “alive” even though she’s a psychic projection of sentient oil. i think because the doctor is dying that the testimony can take the shape of someone he loves. anyway clara is not really dead, she’s clinically dead but she’s out there in a flying diner
@@bart2019 nardole died yes but not before living a full life on the ship. he lived to be over 600 years old.
Nardol later appears as a nanotechnology being indicating he was at least rescued.
Regarding the Weeping Angels at the manor... they were trapped in a basement. All it would take would be for the light to be switched off and darkness to cover the angels for them to revert back to life. Whether the lightbulb blows out from overheating, or the electricity to the manor is cut off, they'll likely escape before anyone else went down there.
Actually, there was food in the panic room in arachnids in the UK. The doctor put them in there so they would simply live to death without them killing humans because there was no better option and they wouldn't have suffocated as there would be an air supply cos people are supposed to be in there yk
did you see how big the spiders are? they took up most of the room, that food is gone within 2 days tops
What about the ultimate fate of humanity from the Utopia episode (from series 3 episode 11)? Ending up in a rocket at the actual end of time (the heat death of the universe), having to resort to turning themselves into zombie cyborg heads in metal spheres just to survive. That is some legit nightmare fuel right there.
I would pretty much bet, that it was the Master, who turned them into these spheres. After all, they were surely outfitted with some impressive and also quite deadly tools, like knives, lasers, ...
I think one that should be on this list is what happens to the main villain in the first episode of series 7B. She was being controlled by the Great Intelligence and when the doctor defeated them the Great Intelligence released its control on her, reverting her back to who she was before its influence. Unfortunately, it had been in her life since she was a little girl. So now there is a little girl trapped in an adult's body who is going to prison for something she has no idea about and she has basically been robbed of her childhood and life.
There is actually some panels in a Doctor Who Comic where 11 and 8 come together to defeat an alternate Universe Bad Wolf where Metacrisis Doctor has been shown to have a happy life with Rose and their daughter.👍So heads up he‘s still kicking!
Wait....hang on. If there’s a parallel Universe, then wouldn’t that mean that that universe would already have a version of Gallifrey, which has its own timelords and they have their own Doctor, so technically that universe would already have a version of the Doctor who may or may not be in their 10th incarnation and GAH! ALTERNATE REALITIES MAKE MY HEAD HURT!
A parallel Earth does not in any way require life on other planets. That other universe could be as empty as ours appears to be.
.......maybe that's where Ruth came from? lol
Yes but what if in that universe the Doctor is the EVIL ONE aND THE master Is the good guy or gal !
The last one was the most shocking realization. I think it is worse than any previous idea/fact.
An modern episode whe should forget: ARACHNIDS IN SHEFFIELD. Oops, it's 'in UK'.
* Me reading the title *
Me: oh... Love and Monsters is in this list isn't it?
For ‘The Doctor Falls’, we already knew everyone died based on the events of ‘Twice Upon a Time’ ending. Showing The Testimony being Bill and Nardole whilst The Doctor finally comes to reality on his regeneration.
Just wanted to clarify things there.
I knew that but thanks for bringing that up.
@@Isaac_Clarke It's okay :) .
@@TheLegendLee1 Why the heck every time I go on UA-cam there is someone like you who is very kind. Thank you.
Yeah the weeping angels from blink did escape, it happened in the lonely assassins game
Lol weren't they sponsored by The Lonley Assassins? You'd think they would remember that
@@PipsyProductions just a thought, but maybe this video was written & recorded before that sponsored one.. Still could've probably been edited in though. Oh well
@@NovaBridger maybe
You forgot the worst part of the silence, earth would be littered with their corpses but people would forget whenever they look away
Isn't the whole point of The Doctor Falls that everyone is going to die? There are multiple (excellent) moments which pretty much go beyond implication.
e.g. "without hope, without witness, without reward"
I mean, maybe that implication is why they deleted the scene? I'm not sure we can take a deleted scene as cannon. In the version that aired, they were not left with any TARDIS.
With the first one, my interpretation is that the Doctor's comment about needing to see the Flesh in it's early stages is because the technology had advanced significantly since then, preventing the flesh from retaining memories and consciousness once the connection to the original was cut, it seemed to me like the most logical way society could move forward from there, and the only way to rationalize the Doctor's actions in the last scene from his stance throughout the rest of the episode.
Remember Almost people was set in the 22nd century, A Good Man Goes to war is set in the *52nd* that's a lot of time for the technology to evolve.
I mean the meta crisis Doctor is said to be unable to regenerate, but now with the Timeless Child twist, I think there's no reason to believe he'd be unable to regenerate, since the ability has to be in his genetics
My head cannon for the flesh is that the doctor mentions that he wants to Learn about it so he goes to where it starts (when the flesh had just started to be used) due to Amy being a future version of the project the kinks may have been worked out meaning it’s painless or because she is a flesh from a different time
I remember watching The End of Time and thought "What about the Unborn Babies"
Never factored in the size change part though 🤣
I would bring up The Rings of Akhaten.
The Doctor and Clara basically destroyed that world's sun. And after this happens, the show just cuts back to The Doctor and Clara returning to Earth.
I like to think that The Doctor merely overdosed the parasite inside their star leaving the star in tact. Also the little girl in that episode is Kinsey in Locke & Key.
@@mxrichardsonsneighbourhood5402 Wait what?
Doctor who’s dark moments are when it really shines.
1:35 think about the Doctor's psychic connection to the Flesh at the start. Is it possible he felt all those deaths too? And because he had a connection, is it possible he felt when ganger Amy died as well? I think his dialogue in the ending scene mentions he's going to do it "as quick as possible"--he knows perfectly well how painful and scary it will be and doesnt want to inflict it on EITHER Amy on the off chance ganger Amy truly is sentient. He essentially personally killed an alternate version of his best friend after failing to save her and her daughter. It's dark, but its because its yet another moment of grief and pain.
the angels in the basement just need to wait till the light bulb burns out , it was dark enough for them to move when it was flickering so once it dies they will leave without any human intervention needed . ive always thought about that ever since it was aired
The masters wife had bruises because she got them outside acting in the show. Check online about behind the scenes
Then why didn't they use make up to cover it...?
Good work
The meta crisis doctors universe has the doctor be a title not a single person.
I imagine the meta crisis doctor, if he really wished to, would have found a way to prolong his life or prevent it. Maybe.
A Town Called Mercy: A horse asks (through the Doctor as he is the only one to understand them, also seen in one of Capaldi's episodes) to have her chosen gender identity respected. With that level of self-awareness, horses could be considered sentient and thus are slaves who are turned into glue and other products. One time joke and pro-trans comment turns a bit dark for horses.
Please take your salvation seriously. The Bible is truth. Read at least three books of the Bible. The first book of each testament and one you chose yourself. As you do practice forgiveness. It’s an important step most people skip. Faith isn’t belief alone. It’s actions based on belief. Actually doing what Jesus Christ taught.
@@jamesmayle3787 What the fuck has your fucking fake pedophilic religion got to do with Doctor Who?
I expected 'Dark Water' to be on this list, and then I remembered that peoples' consciousnesses surviving their deaths, and experiencing whatever happened to their bodies (incineration, dissection... oxygen starvation?) wasn't 'implied', it was stated to be *happening* by at least one of the supposed consciousnesses, and the real issue is that this idea was used in a pre-watershed show, viewed by many children, in the first place. What was Auntie thinking?
At the end of Blink the four Angels are alone in a dark cellar with only one light bulb. All it takes is for that bulb to go out and they'll be free. No one even has to enter the property.
#2: Nardo died shortly after.
The next episode was a Christmas special, where the Doctor went to the South Pole (or North Pole?l and met his first incarnation. In that episode he also met a reincarnation of Bil Potts,, the storyline being that the spirit of people gets snapped up right before they die. As Nardo was also there in the same manner, that implies he's dead too.
HEAVEN SENT:
After realising he hasn't time-travelled and has been there "a very, very long time", he also states that he "can remember it all."
He basically implies that he can remember every loop.
He can remember 4.5 billion years of grieving, fear, confusion, loneliness, confessing, torture, and being burnt to death.
the master becoming everyone on earth is far worse than you think. what about women half way through giving birth? or what about couples who are currently having sex? if the genitles of the women in this scenario change, then what does that mean for the other partner's (other master's) genitles? do the two masters fuse together down there? or worse? yeah the whole thing has horrific implications.
I mean, it didn't look like it was instantons. Maybe he would have, you know, pulled out, as it was happening.
Again, this is another instance where WC have made me think "wtf are they talking about". The MAIN implication with that episodes is that LIGHTBULBS ONLY HAVE A CERTAIN LIFESPAN. As soon as the power is cut or that bulb dies, the angels are free. Really has nothing to do with if someone goes to the house again or not, because that's only relevant if the light is still on and someone turns or moves the angels.
My question about the 4 weeping angels trapped looking at each other is this..... What if the lights in the basement go out? Then wouldn't the angels just move away from each other while the light is out and be free????
I always thought the Fleshy Amy was different from the other Fleshers, future tech and all that, so the Flesh one was strickly a proper avatar... That is still my head canon
When it comes to the giant spiders my head canon is that the doctor moved them to another planet off screen.
Also when it comes to the meta crisis doctor, I theorize that they become the valeyard, so it gets even more disturbing.
Yep even in the doctor falls are dead.
That's what I thought the meta crisis doctor would become too.
I interpreted the Spider incident as this new Doctor, now relatively happy and accepting of necessary consequences after her previous incarnation's self discovery story arc, not wanting her brand new companions to see her being so overtly callous.
Man, I did not need to think about that last one 😳
The Other Doctor Who is human but if he enters the new version of the tardis wouldn't it effectively fix his ability to restore his regeneration process sort of? He and his wife Rose effectively could become the Adam And Eve of Gallifrey in their universe which could spell a weird theory about the timeless child story and the origin of Doctor Who Prime the lost child of time but weird and bizarre is a possibility about origins especially when time and space are open to theories?
Regarding the Master clones, do they possess all of The Master's abilities, including regeneration? If so, give this some thought.
There has to have been at least a few humans who were in the process of dying when this happened. If this would have triggered the regeneration, there would also be different looking Masters wandering around. How would this have impacted events?
Further, the regeneration may have inadvertently saved these dying humans, with their injuries or illnesses no longer being there when everything went back to normal. So this would mean The Master actually saved more lives than he killed, even if it was by accident.
Unless the regeneration makes it so that the humans retain the new form when its all over. This would open up a whole new box of problems.
I'd argue that you should only be on Team Flesh in the circumstances where the Flesh has become independent from the person it resembles. So it's not really about being on Team Flesh, but rather Team Ganger. Because the Flesh wasn't originally independent, the Amy clone was Amy, not an individual. Even if you argue that the Flesh can technically feel death, it doesn't mean it can perceive that feeling if the Flesh doesn't have its own fully functional nervous system.
theres actually a mobile game that pretty much revolves around your weeping angle thing, its pretty good
Examples of the doctor doing out of character things in the current series isn't really disturbing implications, its just disturbing that the writers have pretty much abandoned the Doctor's true nature in alot of ways
Nope...uh huh....there is no such THING as an innocent spider. You go right ON ahead squishing Doctor. 🤣
Okay so the angels. The lonely assassins tackles that
Blink doesn't need someone to find them and break their lines of sight. They're in a basement, the lights shouldn't be on in the first place, the bulb and power service isn't going to go on forever anyway. They'll be lucky to be kept down there for 6 months.
Nardole died/was destroyed on the colony ship so there's literally no-one else to fight against the cybermen, so pretty much 100% confirmed everyone on the ship eventually died
Also all the weeping angels need to do is turn off the light again in the basement. Or even more likely, wait until the light bulb burns itself out if they can't do that...
8: Aren't all the weeping angels (at least the ones around the Tardis) in the impound parking garage? They will be moved almost immediately by the police... who don't know to keep their eye on them...
They were in the Western Drumlins house, in the basement. They surprised Sally and Larry on the first floor and blocked the exits (both were locked), the only passable door led to the basement.
As far as the unborn babies turning into The Master it seems like a new twist on the abortion debate. A more interesting question is if he still had that resurrection ability could all the not-so-decomposed bodies have turned into him and came to life, maybe with separate regeneration of himself. Maybe that is why MIssy had so many people resurrected as Cybermen to secretly hide millions of different version of herself like a twisted Jenny so that they could go through space and time. Finally the Sacha Dwan Master could have been so fond of cyber Timelords because they were really TARDISes that were hollow, moving, suits of armor that could all hide in the final explosion as they secretly transport off.
When sally goes down into the basement and sees the blue box shes looking at 3 angels then the one from upstairs comes down then no ones looking at the other 3 but they are locked in place by the one on the stairs yet they start to turn off the lights then they were able to move again. When the tardis de-materialized locking all the angels in place. Its guranteed they escaped as they would of just turned off the light and able to move again
The Doctor also left his Ganger behind to die, so he murdered twice
Also if u think about the silence where there constantly being murdered think about all the bodies people are running over or seeing and not remembering
To be fair about the Flesh, he explicitly states that her ganger is far more advanced than the first generation they were dealing with
What if the Meta Crisis Doctor died in The Family Of Blood as 'John Smith' in the scene "The life of John Smith".
The metacrisis thing upset me because. The doctor himself didn't regenarate fully. I know it was to tie the story together but it was counted as on of his life cycles. So in away we were cheated out of a new doctor/face. Always bothered me. In alot of was were are missing a doctor in his first cycle. Unless you count David as two doctors. Because note Peter is the first in a new cycle. However I do want to talk about the doctor getting a new cycle. Some have said that breaks the rules of Doctor Who. Oh no no. If you go back and watch the Five Doctors episode. The time lords call on the Master to go and help the doctor in the Death Zone. As reward they offer him a new cycle of lifes. So it is canon. However the master found ways himself to cheat death. However I still do like Doctor Who though it still gets me we were cheated a doctor. Also I not to big on the Other/Past life of the doctor thing. I hope they fix that make it where we find out the Doctor is related to the Other.
The blink one is actually explained in the lonely assassins game
The blink one actually happened if you count the lonely assassind game
The silence is worse when in the next season it's shown not all of there species are "evil" although it's pretty clear humans with the "programming" wouldn't know the difference, and kill them all on sight, regardless.
Cheers to a creepy commercial from UA-cam that said "everything is fine." WTF WHAT?
The Weeping Angels absolutely did break out of that trap. It's the premise of the Doctor Who game The Lonely Assassins
It's almost like there's a game about number 8.
The Master beats his wife, “dark stuff for a family show”
Kills over 10% of the population same episode, seemingly fine 🤷♂️
Or perhaps Lucy Saxon had been spending the year that never was trying to fight the Master's influence over her
What about all the dead silence bodies that would eventually pile up?
When you look back wondering how you tripped over nothing...
@@patrickmccurry1563 lol.
I wonder if their ability to block your memory of them works once they're dead?
@@alexandermacdougall7873 We know that holographic still images work, as shown in the TARDIS. Video transmissions work, as shown in the moon landing on TV. It would make sense that a corpse laying there would still work too.....as long as it hasn't decomposed too far.
Which, by the way, means that after River killed all of them, she still knew what she had been doing....seeing the corpses keeps the memory from going away.
@@jerwheel stop poking holes in my theory.
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Good stuff, I hadn't thought of that.
I’m sorry but the master hitting Lucy is one of the least evil things he did in that episode