I'm Selling the Evo X

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  • @TheDisBeat
    @TheDisBeat Рік тому +497

    This is why I love this channel “The Ben’s” are just legit and transparent. Average guys with an idea and they have fun. So happy Ben is back since that Covid scare glad to see you are doing well and looking forward to the future of the channel.

    • @chrizyzz1008
      @chrizyzz1008 Рік тому +17

      100%. that's one of my big gripes about mighty car mods. we see the car, they mod it, and it just dissapears. feels good to feel like we're on this journey with ben and ben.

    • @ericschwartz100
      @ericschwartz100 Рік тому +2

      @@chrizyzz1008 Yeah, I totally agree with you. That's why i enjoy their channel - they are real, practical, and explain to you exactly why they do the modification to cars, that they choose to do!

    • @mmavcanuck
      @mmavcanuck Рік тому +9

      @@chrizyzz1008 what? MCM brings back cars all the time. You could make an entire UA-cam channel off of just supergramps

    • @cuconatparfour665
      @cuconatparfour665 Рік тому +1

      True, that why i love this channel. It's not about the carzy build or the race cars it's about the passion behind building those cars and the love of automotive in general.

    • @thomasmk6
      @thomasmk6 Рік тому +2

      This was my leasst favorite gears and gasoline video...!!!! i mean this one seemed so just random and pointless

  • @justinvoelker9781
    @justinvoelker9781 Рік тому +135

    The transparency is refreshing. This channel is way more relatable than other channels where they just buy whatever they want whenever they want. It makes it very enjoyable to watch

    • @Promisedland_garage
      @Promisedland_garage Рік тому

      Agreed 🫡

    • @tjyau7068
      @tjyau7068 Рік тому +2

      It was tough for me to even get a 2014 Mazda6 GT, and I am overpaying for it due to bad credit, $560 monthly payments it's just horrific. I want a Honda Civic Type-R or a Mazda RX-8, or Nissan GTR but I can never afford them.

    • @CrimpKeeper
      @CrimpKeeper Місяць тому

      @@tjyau7068never say never. Figure out something to cut out of your life that you don’t need, or get a part-time job. You got this.

  • @theliltibby
    @theliltibby Рік тому +366

    I love UA-camrs being transparent about the reality and how hard it is to have a car collection, makes everyone who has the dream but can’t afford it feel so much better 😂😩

    • @Bennoit007
      @Bennoit007 Рік тому +8

      Unless he has a gigantic team to pay out, the guy has over 1M subs…money isn’t the issue…need for space might be but money isn’t…that’s just a boat load of crap…

    • @skoparweaver7692
      @skoparweaver7692 Рік тому +5

      @@Bennoit007 He probably makes 50-60k a year from youtube. He might make more from other stuff, but it's easy to spend over 6 figures on a house, retirement and 3-4 cars

    • @Bennoit007
      @Bennoit007 Рік тому +3

      @@skoparweaver7692 don’t kid yourself…1M subs on a car channel yields at least between 30/50k a month…tons of “real transparent” UA-camr have shown how much they make with x amount of subs and that’s without sponsorships/merch etc…come on now 😂😂

    • @ZenthisGaming
      @ZenthisGaming Рік тому +10

      @@Bennoit007 it's not about subs tho, it's about number of videos a week, the views on each video, and the average watchtime of the video. You could have 10m subs but if you only post once a week and that video only gets 100k views with an average watchtime of 2 mins, you ain't getting paid shit.

    • @Bennoit007
      @Bennoit007 Рік тому +1

      @@ZenthisGaming yes but nonetheless this isn’t the case right now 🤷‍♂️ guy got millions of views, puts out 2 vids a week etc…he’s lying if he says he makes 60k a year doing what he does….

  • @BillyTheTeen95
    @BillyTheTeen95 Рік тому +163

    1:27 struggling to not crack a smile after a little pull with turbo flutter is easily the best part of the whole video.

    • @GOLD_FEVER
      @GOLD_FEVER Рік тому

      EXACTLY. HOW COULD YOU SELL THAT?????

  • @Saramandalha
    @Saramandalha Рік тому +115

    The fact G&G have only a handfull of cars makes me feel more connected to it. The way you care about your cars, the details you show us and the info you share makes me feel part of the group. If one day G&G can afford expansive supercars, I would feel happy for them, but in some way, the channel would lose the "crew feeling" i got from it

  • @brakinglate8828
    @brakinglate8828 Рік тому +314

    It felt like you bought that car yesterday. Time flies so fast and I feel like you could've kept it a bit longer knowing that you spent a lot of time and money on that car to restore it. I hope the new owner loves the car the way you do.

    • @therealpofo
      @therealpofo Рік тому +18

      I don’t think he ever bought the car to keep. Most UA-camrs buy cars knowing they will not stay. Just use as a prop for their content then when they are no longer useful off they go.

    • @supercooldude824
      @supercooldude824 Рік тому +1

      Same tells like it’s been a month at most but it kinda makes sense he did everything he could with it

    • @supercooldude824
      @supercooldude824 Рік тому +4

      @@therealpofo he didn’t buy it to keep we’re just sad because G&G are a every personal channel so we kinda feel them

    • @toxicmasculinity7870
      @toxicmasculinity7870 Рік тому +1

      @@therealpofo Ultimately, he had no real intentions of keeping the car long term. During either the video when he bought it, or one of the first restoration videos. He said he was most likely gonna sell it, hopefully giving it back to the owner who had it before him. Or someone within the G&G family so it stays in the picture.

    • @richiea591
      @richiea591 Рік тому

      Totally agree, but it’s Ben. Another notch on the belt lol

  • @Lemonspeppasteppa
    @Lemonspeppasteppa Рік тому +60

    Taking money out of your retirement account to buy a car is not the move! Glad to see that he's going to put it back.

    • @clutchthepearls3062
      @clutchthepearls3062 Рік тому

      Hopefully (and it seems like) he took out a loan from it instead of cashing out some out. Nothing like throwing half your money away.

    • @Blox282
      @Blox282 Рік тому

      @@clutchthepearls3062 No loan, he paid cash. There wasn't one reported on the CarFax.

    • @clutchthepearls3062
      @clutchthepearls3062 Рік тому +3

      @@Blox282 I wasn't talking about an auto loan. I was talking about taking a loan from his retirement account instead of cashing some out.

    • @walshja81
      @walshja81 Рік тому

      Scrolled down to find the Captain Obvious comment and you didn't disappoint.

  • @singular9
    @singular9 Рік тому +6

    The way most of the big youtubers afford cars, is investnment and loans. Its easier to finance a car, then sell it and recoup some/most of the cash. Notice the cars they buy, are cars that rarely lose value. If you have 100 grand and you have a big enough youtube brand, you could probably pull off a loan and pay less to finance it than outright buying an evo. Once they sell it after a year or two, they recoup most of that value. In other words, they don't actually SPEND more money, they simply take out more loans and have someone to help them manage them. And by investment, I mean shady ad deals with watch makers than rebrand alibaba watches and such.
    Its all about leverage. If you are a cash only guy, at least you are more genuine, which is why I like this channel. Its so much more realistic.

  • @AndorRadnai
    @AndorRadnai Рік тому +21

    It is not at all surprising that you decided to sell it. And at exactly the time I thought you would as well. It stood out among your other cars, and I never expected you to keep it over the Subie.
    That being said, I think it was still a worthwhile endeavour. You have given this car a new vitality, freshened it up so it can continue its life and bring a lot of joy to its next owner. I think that is beautiful, and I am sure the car is immensely happy about it as well.

  • @EntaiIIe
    @EntaiIIe Рік тому +14

    this always felt like more of a content car. there's no hiding true enthusiasm. we can see it when you're working on the cars you're more into, you're a pretty transparent guy (both in what you say and how you portray yourself). glad to see it go, rather see you be more passionate about the things you are working on and filming, the content is better that way.

  • @ed_architecture
    @ed_architecture Рік тому +1

    Buy car, make a few vids, sell car.
    That's the vibe I'm getting from this channel lately.

  • @Aquagenesis
    @Aquagenesis Рік тому +30

    "Doing More Road Trips"
    You may have heard a HELL YES all the way from Virginia Beach at that point in the video. That was both me and my girlfriend screaming that. Hopefully we may see G&G when we go to Skyline Drive and the surrounding for our yearly mountain run.

    • @jimmynickelz
      @jimmynickelz Рік тому +2

      ChesVa cosigns "Doing More Road Trips".

    • @JustSimplyRobert
      @JustSimplyRobert Рік тому +2

      Skyline Drive is hella fun, I try to run it a few times a month during the summer. I have seen them on several occasions just in passing around here, so its definitely possible.

  • @gregdcross
    @gregdcross Рік тому +1

    Just found this UA-cam channel a week ago. Wow all the great videos I have missed. So great to see a UA-camr being honest and open about the realities. Relatable. Often times people have several cars at once and at least one is in the stable just because they love it. It males no practical sense. I'm one of those people. I own 4 vehicles and 2 motorcycles..... and I'm the only driver. All insured, registered and fully operational and roadworthy. Yes, it makes no sense to many, but I can afford it. If I couldn't, I'd have a lot less.

  • @TheZcoot
    @TheZcoot Рік тому +3

    Being honest about finances and available time is a rare thing.
    Good on you for bringing this to light for others who don’t understand the the ‘real costs’ of car/hobbies.

  • @VietKamiNguyen93
    @VietKamiNguyen93 Рік тому +4

    This is probably most genuine UA-cam Channel I have seen, love the content and honesty. I hope it stays forever this way.

  • @FixitFred
    @FixitFred Рік тому +2

    I loved this series I am not an EVO guy but I have mad respect for you and focussing on the other builds. There are way to many youtubers just buying more cars and having forgotten builds.

  • @marvinvisser5039
    @marvinvisser5039 Рік тому +5

    I appreciate the openness! I love this channel

  • @LiaG99
    @LiaG99 Рік тому +5

    I love the transparency in this channel.
    It shows what it actually is like owning more than 1-2 cars. It makes me feel so much more connected to the channel.
    I've never managed to understand other youtubers with 8-11-20 cars. Like, I can't remember them for 1 day, and usually they sell it the next day and buy another supercar or something.
    Please tell me I'm not the only one on that :D

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  • @Sunburnae92
    @Sunburnae92 Рік тому +1

    The next owner of this can be a instant youtuber just upload this car and we will watch it for sure we love what he done to the car

  • @realjclar
    @realjclar Рік тому +2

    Had to sell mine a couple weeks ago too and it broke my heart. They're great cars but very high maintenance... Thanks for the great content and good luck with the sale!

  • @BasicFolders
    @BasicFolders Рік тому +7

    The opening was filmed like an indie movie when they were at their best. 💙

  • @thejdmguy
    @thejdmguy Рік тому +1

    1:30 I love how cars give us these wonderful emotions... keep it up guys with these content! You are the best!

  • @Richardharrison11947
    @Richardharrison11947 Рік тому +3

    i said before and im saying it again, please be a YT channel that inspires us the car enthusiasts with average wallet size. We don’t have deep pockets like most of the UA-camrs And thanks for admitting how its like to be a owner of multiple project cars. Hope you get the best price that it deserves. Eager for those upcoming road trip videos ❤

  • @tuned.x
    @tuned.x Рік тому +1

    Been a rough couple months personally & following this build defo brought me some peaceful entertainment. Glad your making the best choice for you dawg, to the future. Thanks man🥂

  • @alexbelauste8869
    @alexbelauste8869 Рік тому

    Saw this on Cars and Bids yesterday and said... uh oh vid incoming. Good work with build, Ben. Been here the whole way. Good luck with sale! -2016 STI GUY

  • @jdcompton328
    @jdcompton328 Рік тому

    I saw it on cars and bids yesterday, before I saw this video, I was like “what!?! That’s ben’s car!” Good luck with the sale, I wish I was bidding.

  • @MKrukas
    @MKrukas Рік тому +2

    Dang u got 51k for it. Hope that u got every pennie back that was put in to it

  • @elviskelyina8713
    @elviskelyina8713 Рік тому

    I remember when you bought the car, been part of the journey all through,

  • @AutomotiveAnatomy
    @AutomotiveAnatomy Рік тому +1

    Appreciate you guys for showing a small clip of our interviews we do on our channel 🎉

  • @mfelipetc
    @mfelipetc Рік тому

    That Civic front bumper stabilised camera. 😍
    Reminds me of "C'était un rendez-vous", although is a completely different thing.

  • @MojiiOkay
    @MojiiOkay 6 місяців тому +1

    I really thought he was going to look down after the grocery shop and see he was on E again.

  • @mydreaminorbit9297
    @mydreaminorbit9297 Рік тому +57

    That opening sequence was so well planned out. It must have taken a while to shoot.

  • @lordraiden5398
    @lordraiden5398 Рік тому

    I have said it before and I will say it again. The track footage from the camera on the front bumper of the Civic is so awesome! More more more!

  • @palmersteven0
    @palmersteven0 Рік тому

    dude the part where you’re riding the cart that is so wholesome 🫠

  • @lyzek01
    @lyzek01 Рік тому +2

    I love how you can relate to the average person who is not loaded with money and deals with money issues all the time.

  • @whisperr2522
    @whisperr2522 Рік тому +2

    Sad to see her leave but I love to watch her go

  • @CyberSkynet-o2b
    @CyberSkynet-o2b Рік тому

    your roadtrips are the reason I am buying a WRX and looking forward to start a channel dedicated to roadtrips

  • @jrmaquinta
    @jrmaquinta Рік тому

    This is my dream car, basically any evo. Have a collection of 1:64 diecast models. I don't have enough resources to buy a 1:1 right now, but someday I'll get to own one.

  • @dracolotl1074
    @dracolotl1074 Рік тому +1

    It would be nice to see a road trip with the Evo X and other Ben's Evo

  • @joshuacole659
    @joshuacole659 Рік тому

    Just know this my man..no matter what..your living a dream of a lot of people out there and ur having fun doing it..congrats

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  • @TheJMedia
    @TheJMedia Рік тому

    Nooo too soon junior! Should just keep it!

  • @notethansanchez7468
    @notethansanchez7468 Рік тому

    I absolutely love how honest and real you are. Still the best UA-camrs -Ethan from Richmond

  • @S2k_GRsti
    @S2k_GRsti Рік тому +1

    I have an (00) Ap1 and a (08) STI, got my dream collection and didnt break the bank. ☕️🗿

  • @JJMMAN2002
    @JJMMAN2002 Рік тому

    You do you! Best youtube channel out here.

  • @perco-c-e-t4377
    @perco-c-e-t4377 Рік тому +3

    It was nice to see the evo come back, brung back a lot of nostalgia and now that you guys freshened it up. I hope whoever the new owner is takes care of it🔥

  • @ryanrougeux4589
    @ryanrougeux4589 Рік тому

    I’m saying this because I notice it everytime but your video quality is so much better then 99% of channels in my opinion

  • @diymike
    @diymike Рік тому +1

    Bro This is probably one of the best car channels out and I know the feeling.. thank you for the way you put it into words.

  • @tannerjoust1263
    @tannerjoust1263 Рік тому +129

    I mean the car is fast and all, but with it looking that good I’d be worried to drive it.

  • @D0mSupra
    @D0mSupra Рік тому

    I feel like the trips to the gas stations have become a thing on this channel. Idk if I'm late to the party but I find it pretty amusing lol. Good luck on the bid!!

  • @teleteleman1023
    @teleteleman1023 Рік тому +1

    Well it's already at $30k so I hope that means you make a profit! I was hoping you'd sell the sti instead but we've all got our own preferences.

  • @The_Redkween
    @The_Redkween Рік тому +1

    You gotta side-hustle them Girl Scout cookies in the off-season.

  • @KylePetersonDmaster223
    @KylePetersonDmaster223 Рік тому

    I saw it on Cars and Bids this morning, it was a great series!

  • @Ashton_2176
    @Ashton_2176 Рік тому

    Yeah, more roadtrips coming soon, I really love your guys roadtrips! They're the best to watch!

  • @nathanwright8477
    @nathanwright8477 Рік тому

    Proud owner of a Australian spec Mazda protege. Appreciating the shout out

  • @jonatanciltea
    @jonatanciltea Рік тому

    Your rodtrips rock, i saw all of them :D ! Can't wait for the next one !

  • @e36s50b30
    @e36s50b30 Рік тому

    It seems as your chanel is heading back into the right direction.
    Love it!

  • @quinnsanborn7720
    @quinnsanborn7720 Рік тому

    I hate to see the Evo go but I cant wait to see the new content on Gridlife and the rx-7!

  • @jamesrsk
    @jamesrsk Рік тому

    I always thought this car just wasn't you, its too flashy and over the top. I'm like you in that I appreciate more subtlety in builds.

  • @saifwasim5807
    @saifwasim5807 Рік тому +1

    I just hope whoever the next owner is, maintains the good work Ben has done to this!

  • @howard2710
    @howard2710 Рік тому

    Happy to see Ben bounce back from covid and share their stories / videos with us! Your guys videos are so different than most other car UA-cam channels, feels like I’m watching a high quality production that’s unique everytime! Thank you guys!

  • @MJTbreww
    @MJTbreww Рік тому +2

    Keeping a car only because you like it… literally the basis of a first no budget car video I wanted to do on my FTO… but I’ll stick to watching these awesome series

  • @FiftyFiftyAmoney
    @FiftyFiftyAmoney Рік тому +6

    I like that you frame the cart stall sign that says “don’t forget your reusable bags” - and immediate forget your reusable bags lol. Your daily driver should have some in it, right? :-)

  • @kennethshively4148
    @kennethshively4148 Рік тому +1

    Every time I was on my way home in my STI and saw this sitting in your drive, I thought it beautiful and had wished I could afford it. But just like you, I'm all about Subaru's.. Hope it goes to someone who will enjoy it and drive it like it deserves.

  • @stephenabril7084
    @stephenabril7084 Рік тому

    Some people make a Lot of money on utube. You need to figure that one out. Think Diesel Brothers. That dudes really got it going.

  • @adamhorton402
    @adamhorton402 Рік тому +9

    Whoa. I saw the title while I'm working my job at advanced and clicked immediately. Love you guys🥹

  • @flame.8308
    @flame.8308 Рік тому

    Glad you are going back to the RX7 I think that is one of my favorite cars between you two

  • @sethbingo
    @sethbingo Рік тому

    I appreciate the transparency. Thanks for what you guys do and for keeping it real

  • @mathewphillips4185
    @mathewphillips4185 Рік тому

    I hope whoever gets your Evo takes as good care as you did beautiful looking car

  • @mitchelllong5848
    @mitchelllong5848 Рік тому

    Great video, glad you got to reconnect with that car, as car people I think we all want every sports car ever made to experience, I’m just grinding to make my bank balance big enough to accomplish that

  • @alainbarbaza
    @alainbarbaza Рік тому

    When you opened the trunk for the groceries and I knew it wasn't going to hit the rear glass, but it still made my heart skip a beat.

  • @2JZDestroyer
    @2JZDestroyer Рік тому +1

    And that's how ben was able to afford a gc8 to build his dream 22b

  • @Panster7
    @Panster7 Рік тому +18

    Dustin hit us with the side hustle 😆

    • @Wind_slash0
      @Wind_slash0 Рік тому

      Basically scalp

    • @ayayron_wrx
      @ayayron_wrx Рік тому

      @@Wind_slash0 not really considered scalping. It’s just reselling

    • @nickwong2525
      @nickwong2525 Рік тому

      His Legends drop/merch is his big bucks🤣

  • @keiquiatch
    @keiquiatch Рік тому

    I'm pretty satisfied with all the red evo videos! Pretty perfect timing on letting it go as well. Would love to see roadtrips and gridlife action too soon.

  • @neilyakuza6595
    @neilyakuza6595 Рік тому +2

    That car is only going to keep going up in value.

  • @oldschoolvitin3860
    @oldschoolvitin3860 Рік тому

    Love the closing piece of this video

  • @heff3696
    @heff3696 Рік тому +1

    The beginning of this video was a cinematic masterpiece.

  • @knowntalker135
    @knowntalker135 Рік тому +4

    You guys are amazing 👏 can't wait to see everything coming in the future! I knew you weren't going to keep the evo being a subie guy, I'm trying to collect as many subarus as I can to keep the rally history going because it's fading and I know what you mean with too many projects, so just do what you can and everything will work out

  • @WarriorsPhoto
    @WarriorsPhoto Рік тому +1

    Congratulations 🎉🎈🍾🎊!
    You almost motivated me to get one. Glad I didn't.
    I wonder what that secret protect is?

  • @abhijeetmankar772
    @abhijeetmankar772 Рік тому +7

    Love your channel and your delivery and story telling styles which instantly draws in the audience into the content. Appreciate the fact that you concentrate on the content and not on the merch or side hustles. Keep it up, it will all pay off!!

  • @SymbioticLegion
    @SymbioticLegion Рік тому +1

    Dustin holds up Gamera, Calls it a Godzilla toy, might as well call the Lugia a Digimon card while he was at it lmao

  • @jeffsmith6209
    @jeffsmith6209 Рік тому

    And the noises never get old ....they always make u smile piiiiiissshhhh...pop pop bang bang

  • @murdoch9106
    @murdoch9106 Рік тому +1

    I just want more Civic goodness! Love all these cars, but man.. that little nugget is mean! :D And love the racing, and how successful you have been doing it! Super cool! Keep it up!

  • @nolanmarketti
    @nolanmarketti Рік тому

    It's going to be sad to see this car go from the channel. it was awesome to see this build!

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  • @zpzp96
    @zpzp96 Рік тому

    Probably the best way to sell as a popular youtuber. If you price it, everyone will be like it’s not worth that much or it’s worth more stuff like that. Smart move :)

  • @watsnu2day
    @watsnu2day Рік тому +1

    Like we say in Hawaii, “Lose money”. I hope you get back what you spent on it. I prefer the Subie as well, but having both if i could afford it would be in my garage, They both represent the rally heritage well.

  • @STImachine
    @STImachine Рік тому +3

    So now we know the answer to "STI or EVO?".

  • @josephvecchio8528
    @josephvecchio8528 Рік тому

    was a good mini series watched you put this evo to its full potential from start to finnish sad to see u gotta let it go.. nice evo hope the new owner take good care of it

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  • @CaddyRacer
    @CaddyRacer Рік тому +1

    Love how you guys always keep it real! Normal people can [somewhat] relate!

    • @CaddyRacer
      @CaddyRacer Рік тому

      @GearsandGasoline-. thanks for responding !

  • @kenyanpride4lyfe
    @kenyanpride4lyfe Рік тому

    It's a beautiful car but definitely a smart move to lean out the collection and focus on the next chapter, I do miss my Evo X but glad to have experienced that chapter in my life.

  • @Mutanthawk80
    @Mutanthawk80 Рік тому

    If there were to be a Mazdaspeed protege/ protege5 build on this channel, I would simply die. Love those cars!

  • @M3rVsT4H
    @M3rVsT4H Рік тому

    From the day you introduced this car, I knew it wasn't going to be a keeper. But I don't blame you for taking a swing at it, and I feel your pain having to let it go.

  • @cheeseburguhgaming9581
    @cheeseburguhgaming9581 Рік тому

    I hope you find a buyer man I know how money can be tight its hard

  • @tkflex2332
    @tkflex2332 Рік тому +2

    Hard work pays off 👊🏾 GG makes my day, thanks Ben(s) 🙏🏽 Keep on keeping on 🔥🔥🔥

  • @Roadnuts86
    @Roadnuts86 Рік тому +1

    The Uncle Bens rice was a nice touch! Stick with the Subie!

  • @RocketmanXO
    @RocketmanXO Рік тому

    It was a good run. Wanted a little bit more Evo. Cheers 🥂

  • @kreparAZ
    @kreparAZ Рік тому

    cannot wait for the next series with charles! always a hoot! good luck with the sale! im sure someone will snatch it up.

  • @acaproshi630
    @acaproshi630 Рік тому +2

    please another roadtrip,, i miss that content

  • @emersonviana6539
    @emersonviana6539 Рік тому

    good luck on the sale Ben!

  • @Syscrush
    @Syscrush Рік тому

    I hate Subarus, Mitsubishis, FWD race cars, and piston-swapped RX-7s. Yet I love this video and others like it - keep up the great work, guys.

  • @wolf-xf6hf
    @wolf-xf6hf Рік тому

    It feels like every car on this channel is a different character and that sometimes new characters come in and old characters come out for the show to stay relevant and fun. This was a nice side plot but it’s time for the new character to be killed off for some development.