Metropolis pt. II is the last album that John Petrucci recorded using the Ibanez JPM's. His last JPM was the 'desert camo' guitar, a precursor to what is known today as the JP-EBMM model. The only difference he used with all his equipment that time was he switched from D'Addario to Ernie Ball strings during studio recording.
i saw them on this tour. At the time in 00, when the ibanez catalogue came out, there were no jpm's in it. i found this very hard to believe since DT was going back to their roots (from falling into infinity) and doing a concept album like Scenes From a Memory. So, I deduced that ibanez was going to unveil a whole onslaught of jpm models that would be a supplementary catalogue like the J customs. So, I went to this concert expecting to see all these custom jpms. 6 and 7 strings.... just like how Vai had like 15 models at the time. To my utter disappointment, when petrucci made his entrance on stage, my heart sank as I saw him playing what looked like a black Dean strat style guitar (it was the MM but nothing had been announced and it really looked like a $199 Dean). For me, DT was never the same because of that. The ibanez jpm was this sexy Ferrari, and his new guitar just looked lame. then i read in magazines how jp would say he's still getting used to the MM, how it's not perfect yet..... I'm like "yeah, your old guitar was perfect" :P
@@Mechashiva76 im a big JEM fan and have owned many (they are very similar to JPM's) I played the first EBMM JPM sig when it first came out and it played and sounded awesome. It may not have the looks of the Ibanez but its a serious performance guitar and EBMM gave him free reign to design his own guitar rather than just give him a jem with a different paint job.
@@uv77mc85 sup duder. i hear what you're saying. i know MM makes a good product (i personally have always wanted an Axis/EVH model), but it's just not the same. it's kinda like when metallica cut their hair, or dave mustaine quit using jacksons. it just changed the mood. if john petrucci walked on stage with a new ibanez (with that graphic) or dave mustaine magically started playing the jackson king V's again, it would just make a huge.... subliminal difference..... imo. I would kill for ibanez to rerelease a "picasso" model (with or without JP. ibanez owns the graphic, not JP... or even Dan Lawrence for that matter). it would be money in the bank for ibanez. ps, i owned 4 of the jpm's including the first year model. no guitar has ever left such a hole in my heart :( rock on
@@Mechashiva76 I get you. Mustaines jacksons were awesome. Those Deans he plays have fuck ugly headstocks. Theres an Ibanez JPM p1 and P2 for sale at the moment but the JP1 is £3200 and the JP2 is £2300. They go for a lot now.
@@Mechashiva76 I had a JPM P3 at the time, which I traded in for the EBMM sight unseen… BIG mistake! In all objective terms, the EBMM was the better guitar, but to me, the JPM simply worked better. The EBMM’s neck was slimmer and wider and the frets slightly smaller - all of which didn’t gel with me and I ended up selling the EBMM witin the year.
When I saw them on this tour, the 6 string songs were on his new musicman, which at the time didn't look like anything special. But Home, which is in drop D was played on his camo Ibanez, and the 7 string songs (Dance of Eternity/One Last Time) was on his black and white Ibanez 7. It wasn't until right before Live Scenes From NY that he unveiled the new 7. Ibanez screwed themselves for not wanting to produce a signature 7 to the market, which is why John left.
@@andrewsantos3283 They did. Look, I can't tell you why they wouldn't do it. Maybe John's 6s weren't selling enough to warrant doing the 7? I personally heard it from the man's mouth but if you Google it, it'll tell you the same thing. John felt like the 7 string would sell more and make him enough money to warrant him staying and Ibanez felt differently.
@@NaanProphet It's because Ibanez wasn't wanting to cater to John's needs, they didn't want to try anything new and always denied him a piezo guitar (except one in 1999) and he got a way better offer from Music Man so he went with it and sold off all his Ibanez guitars after.
I prefer seeing Petrucci with that custom Ibanez rather than Musicman, i think it gives a better appearance, identity and tough impression for Petrucci. I hope he will play it again someday.
@@eljefe8564 Here is a video comparing the sound of both guitars. There is a difference: ua-cam.com/video/WxP5nffaugU/v-deo.html As for the endorsement, Petrucci spoke about the reasons: Ibanez was very reluctant to comply with John's wishes - he always had to compromise. And Music Man were ready to make any guitar project he wants from scratch, and make as many changes as needed, which they are successfully doing to this day.
Te me, this is the pinnacle of John’s tone - much more clarity and definition than what he goes for these days. Moreover, this recording must have been from fairly early in the tour - when I caught them, he was already sporting the prototypes of the EBMM JP.
Unfortunately, it is over, they will never be anymore like the DT of the 90s, now it had just become a factory of shredder metal. PS: there are still a few interesting things in the 2000s
Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence was the last truly special and innovative DT album. Granted, albums like ADTOE, DOT and AVFTTOTW are all great but their run from Awake through to SDOIT we will never see from them again. It was their genius period.
The genre is "progressive" after all, it's inevitable for bands like this to change. JP's new solo album with Pornoy back on drums definitely gave me some old DT vibes. Glad to hear they're going to be touring together
its actually kinda cool to see how into it he was back then. He just walks offstage for the instrumentals now. His vocals are shit but you have to commend him for not phoning things in
Awesome! Just when you think you've seen all the rare, early DP/JP stuff, a clip like this comes into my feed... I share the view of many that Petrucci's sound is a little overproduced these days.
Ci sta preferire il suono della ibanez (anche a me piace molto davvero, all'inizio la pensavo come te), ma da quando ha la mm e il resto della sua strumentaziome firmata, Petrucci suona davvero il cazzo che vuole. DoT e Terminal velocity sono il pinnacolo della chitarra metal da un punto di vista sonoro. Almeno io non avevo mai sentito un sound così corposo e potente prima di quei album.
Why are you freaking out? Is this really what u feel and get from music ? A masterpiece is about to begin, one of the most sophisticated and progressive music I've ever heard, with deep philosophical tragic story and lyrics, and you are you clapping and cheering and joking? Do you really listen to the music?
Just my opinion but I think his MM tone has those boosted mids and lows which sounds very generic MESA these days (despite JP being a pioneer of the MESA metal tone). I agree with those who say that his Ibanez sounds slightly thinner when playing crunch rhythm but I counter that there was more warmth and character to his lead tone as a result. Especially when back when he would play that dirty, slightly overdriven clean tone which you almost never hear from DT these days.
@@SPQRTempus can you point to an example of such overdriven clean tone? I know all DT songs by heart, so you can just tell me the song and the section, I'll figure it out. Asking for "ear training" reasons. I don't have too much of a refined ear when it comes to tone, especially clean ones, so I want to go look and see if I can hear that little overdrive (by my own I would usually hear just a generic clean tone)
@@powerbannk7719 When I reflect on it I realize I was remembering his live performances during the I&W tour. Check out his solo in To Live Forever from Live in Japan
@@melodica5407 exactly. The amp is like 95% of your sound when you have a decent set of pickups. People will go crazy about how this set of pickups has more mids than this other one, when you can get 99% of the same tone just by dialing the mids up on your amp
It's just audio and video being out of synch, Petrucci would never fake any performance, especially when he was on top of his playing ability like he was back then
Mad respect to John petrucci for being alive in 1928.
He one of the real ones fs.
Somehow i miss the old Ibanez days. This sound was so brilliant.
this song is nothing without james tambourine
hahahaha!!!
🤣
😁😁
1992 to 2002 will always be my favorite era from them ..
Interesting, for me it’s 1999 - 2009
Interesting, for me it's 1992-1999
Interesting. The post portnoy era is still better
come on man don't forget Train of Thought
@@bp6837 nice joke man
Metropolis pt. II is the last album that John Petrucci recorded using the Ibanez JPM's. His last JPM was the 'desert camo' guitar, a precursor to what is known today as the JP-EBMM model. The only difference he used with all his equipment that time was he switched from D'Addario to Ernie Ball strings during studio recording.
i saw them on this tour. At the time in 00, when the ibanez catalogue came out, there were no jpm's in it. i found this very hard to believe since DT was going back to their roots (from falling into infinity) and doing a concept album like Scenes From a Memory. So, I deduced that ibanez was going to unveil a whole onslaught of jpm models that would be a supplementary catalogue like the J customs. So, I went to this concert expecting to see all these custom jpms. 6 and 7 strings.... just like how Vai had like 15 models at the time. To my utter disappointment, when petrucci made his entrance on stage, my heart sank as I saw him playing what looked like a black Dean strat style guitar (it was the MM but nothing had been announced and it really looked like a $199 Dean). For me, DT was never the same because of that. The ibanez jpm was this sexy Ferrari, and his new guitar just looked lame. then i read in magazines how jp would say he's still getting used to the MM, how it's not perfect yet..... I'm like "yeah, your old guitar was perfect" :P
@@Mechashiva76 im a big JEM fan and have owned many (they are very similar to JPM's) I played the first EBMM JPM sig when it first came out and it played and sounded awesome. It may not have the looks of the Ibanez but its a serious performance guitar and EBMM gave him free reign to design his own guitar rather than just give him a jem with a different paint job.
@@uv77mc85 sup duder. i hear what you're saying. i know MM makes a good product (i personally have always wanted an Axis/EVH model), but it's just not the same. it's kinda like when metallica cut their hair, or dave mustaine quit using jacksons. it just changed the mood. if john petrucci walked on stage with a new ibanez (with that graphic) or dave mustaine magically started playing the jackson king V's again, it would just make a huge.... subliminal difference..... imo. I would kill for ibanez to rerelease a "picasso" model (with or without JP. ibanez owns the graphic, not JP... or even Dan Lawrence for that matter). it would be money in the bank for ibanez. ps, i owned 4 of the jpm's including the first year model. no guitar has ever left such a hole in my heart :( rock on
@@Mechashiva76 I get you. Mustaines jacksons were awesome. Those Deans he plays have fuck ugly headstocks. Theres an Ibanez JPM p1 and P2 for sale at the moment but the JP1 is £3200 and the JP2 is £2300. They go for a lot now.
@@Mechashiva76 I had a JPM P3 at the time, which I traded in for the EBMM sight unseen… BIG mistake! In all objective terms, the EBMM was the better guitar, but to me, the JPM simply worked better. The EBMM’s neck was slimmer and wider and the frets slightly smaller - all of which didn’t gel with me and I ended up selling the EBMM witin the year.
Wish I could go back in time and live this time of my life/DT's era again. Listening to this album for the first time again, it means so much!
Seriously, what a tone.... powerful, organic...
When I saw them on this tour, the 6 string songs were on his new musicman, which at the time didn't look like anything special. But Home, which is in drop D was played on his camo Ibanez, and the 7 string songs (Dance of Eternity/One Last Time) was on his black and white Ibanez 7. It wasn't until right before Live Scenes From NY that he unveiled the new 7. Ibanez screwed themselves for not wanting to produce a signature 7 to the market, which is why John left.
oh so that's why he stopped working with Ibanez
But Ibanez have Vai's universe and Korn's K7 during that time.
@@andrewsantos3283 They did. Look, I can't tell you why they wouldn't do it. Maybe John's 6s weren't selling enough to warrant doing the 7? I personally heard it from the man's mouth but if you Google it, it'll tell you the same thing. John felt like the 7 string would sell more and make him enough money to warrant him staying and Ibanez felt differently.
@@NaanProphet It's because Ibanez wasn't wanting to cater to John's needs, they didn't want to try anything new and always denied him a piezo guitar (except one in 1999) and he got a way better offer from Music Man so he went with it and sold off all his Ibanez guitars after.
John demanded 7 string version and incorporate piezo system into his Jpm lines , Ibanez reject. So he left for a better offer from Ernie ball instead.
I prefer seeing Petrucci with that custom Ibanez rather than Musicman, i think it gives a better appearance, identity and tough impression for Petrucci. I hope he will play it again someday.
Nope, MusicMan is way much better
You are totally right
What do you think of the tone difference? I'm sure petrucci was only considering image and not tone or endorsement deals when he switched🤣🤣
can u imagine john petrucci today with his long beard play on ibanez p1))
@@eljefe8564 Here is a video comparing the sound of both guitars. There is a difference: ua-cam.com/video/WxP5nffaugU/v-deo.html
As for the endorsement, Petrucci spoke about the reasons: Ibanez was very reluctant to comply with John's wishes - he always had to compromise. And Music Man were ready to make any guitar project he wants from scratch, and make as many changes as needed, which they are successfully doing to this day.
Overture is the most fun instrumental they played, lots of bending, emotions, funky drum beat, no wanking speed on note by note....
Te me, this is the pinnacle of John’s tone - much more clarity and definition than what he goes for these days. Moreover, this recording must have been from fairly early in the tour - when I caught them, he was already sporting the prototypes of the EBMM JP.
Old "overdrive" funky sound was sooo amazing
I must say that he sounded better and had a better presence with the JPM... And i've owned one JPM and 4 MM, even 1 BFR
2:26 - the tone he had with the Ibanez, damn..
Wao sound much better, Ibanez JPM rules!
Must be November 1999, somewhere in Europe.
No Metropolis 2000 props on stage.
And John plays with the almighty Ibanez.
It's Ludwigsburg, Germany 1999 if I'm not mistaken.
In another Universe, Yngwie Malmsteen switched to an Ibanez!
Stratosfear12569 and John Myung playing Contra Bass
Han Lie lol..
or better yet, the both of them are in the same band. Called DreamForce, or Rising Theater lol
They are in Weather Theater ( Weather Report LOL) or CasioDream (Japanese band)
Han Lie lol..
In another dimension, John still plays Bc Rich Guitars
Wish DT made albums like this still.
You're not alone my friend...😢
Unfortunately, it is over, they will never be anymore like the DT of the 90s, now it had just become a factory of shredder metal.
PS: there are still a few interesting things in the 2000s
Fuck i reached the comment section where people complain about DT, nooooooo
Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence was the last truly special and innovative DT album.
Granted, albums like ADTOE, DOT and AVFTTOTW are all great but their run from Awake through to SDOIT we will never see from them again. It was their genius period.
The genre is "progressive" after all, it's inevitable for bands like this to change. JP's new solo album with Pornoy back on drums definitely gave me some old DT vibes. Glad to hear they're going to be touring together
nice tambourine skill James .. xP
its actually kinda cool to see how into it he was back then. He just walks offstage for the instrumentals now. His vocals are shit but you have to commend him for not phoning things in
this makes me SO happy. this is the crew!
JP ❤
my favourite of johns guitars..!
Awesome! Just when you think you've seen all the rare, early DP/JP stuff, a clip like this comes into my feed... I share the view of many that Petrucci's sound is a little overproduced these days.
con la Ibanez era un'altro chitarrista, era anche più giovane... mi è sempre piaciuto il suo sound con la Ibanez
Ci sta preferire il suono della ibanez (anche a me piace molto davvero, all'inizio la pensavo come te), ma da quando ha la mm e il resto della sua strumentaziome firmata, Petrucci suona davvero il cazzo che vuole. DoT e Terminal velocity sono il pinnacolo della chitarra metal da un punto di vista sonoro. Almeno io non avevo mai sentito un sound così corposo e potente prima di quei album.
Petrucci: put a piezo in my guitar.
Ibanez: no.
Ernie Ball: hold my beer *singlehandedly destroys the signature model market*
I own his camouflage one I got at an auction than John put them in,I have it on my wall with his new guitars,awsome guitars
Do you have any pics of the guitar?
I actually prefer John's tone with his Ibanez.
Everyone does
LOL really? You're judging the tone by not only a shitty ass UA-cam video compressed to hell but also one that is recorded with a garbage room mic?
@@marklowery8193 that's right...
Why are you freaking out? Is this really what u feel and get from music ? A masterpiece is about to begin, one of the most sophisticated and progressive music I've ever heard, with deep philosophical tragic story and lyrics, and you are you clapping and cheering and joking? Do you really listen to the music?
I get mix feelings from this. It's seeing some of the last few moments of the band I loved before they died.
@@Alfred_-vp9ys yeah :( the new dream theater emerged with the ebmm playing a different style
Back in time when rudess had his hair
Rudess had hair, not too sure it was his.
But now he is the leader of Xmen
Ah, the bizarre wig era of Jordan Rudess.
Not a wig lol, he was just young enough to still have hair.
El disco fue grabado con Ibanez, seguramente aún no entraba con el contrato de Musicman
The dream theater singer guy with the weird voice is jumping on stage like a 3rd grader in recess after sneaking an extra juice box
rare
OMG!! Marty Friedman with keybord 😅😅😂
Good one
IMO the JPM sounds marvelous, far better than the MusicMan
Jordan had hair?? 😱
Music Man makes great instruments, but they look boring... that Ibanez JPM100 looks awesome on the stage.
ipojuca22 Agree
agreed!!
Agreed!! And to me, it was iconic to Petrucci like Eddie’s striped guitar or Zakk Wylde’s bullseye or Dimebag’s Deans…etc
LOL wut? You can't be serious.
@@cardbored_ how does that music man dick taste? Some people prefer Ibanez over EBMM, really not a big deal.
His tone is 10 times better w the Ibanez. I don't like the MM guitars, at all.
Just my opinion but I think his MM tone has those boosted mids and lows which sounds very generic MESA these days (despite JP being a pioneer of the MESA metal tone). I agree with those who say that his Ibanez sounds slightly thinner when playing crunch rhythm but I counter that there was more warmth and character to his lead tone as a result. Especially when back when he would play that dirty, slightly overdriven clean tone which you almost never hear from DT these days.
@@SPQRTempus can you point to an example of such overdriven clean tone? I know all DT songs by heart, so you can just tell me the song and the section, I'll figure it out.
Asking for "ear training" reasons. I don't have too much of a refined ear when it comes to tone, especially clean ones, so I want to go look and see if I can hear that little overdrive (by my own I would usually hear just a generic clean tone)
@@powerbannk7719 When I reflect on it I realize I was remembering his live performances during the I&W tour. Check out his solo in To Live Forever from Live in Japan
@@SPQRTempus I think that's not because of the guitar but it's the way john dialed in his amp.
Less low and less gain back in the 90s.
@@melodica5407 exactly. The amp is like 95% of your sound when you have a decent set of pickups. People will go crazy about how this set of pickups has more mids than this other one, when you can get 99% of the same tone just by dialing the mids up on your amp
Whyyyyyyy is there no Strange Deja Vu??
The Ibanez looks and sounds better.
JP played so hard back then
I still prefer this ibanez tone of his.
I think this album was made with this guitar?
Yes
Metro part 2 was recorded mostly with his ibanez
@@melodica5407 it was recorded entirely with his Ibanez
please post unit sales. crickets
jordan never had HAIR ITS A CONSPIRACY
Prefiro essa Ibanez...
Playing it very low on this footage, too 🤔
Was JP using 9’s on that Ibanez?
09-46
P2
So.. In this very concert, he was cheating his Ibanez with and undercover new axe LOL... Love that Ibanez
are you sure thats not the p2?
I prefer Ibanez ...
Interezting. 1:40 petrucci is totally out of sync, while all the video is ok. Tape solo?
It's just audio and video being out of synch, Petrucci would never fake any performance, especially when he was on top of his playing ability like he was back then
No way. Just a video editing mistake.
It was Portnoy’s mistake. Look at the snare drum.
John looks better this way than the hulk he is now.