Heavy VS Light Arrows (surprised again)
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- Опубліковано 29 жов 2023
- Heavy VS Light Arrows (surprised again) .. Tim Connor and MFJJ from @podiumarcher3447 hang out and compare 400 vs 600 vs 800 grain arrows in an updated down range penetration test. This is a fun and you might learn a thing or two about arrow penetration. #archery
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Part 3- Drew with his heavy hunting arrow, Tim C with his medium hunting arrow, and Josh with his light hunting arrow. All with their hunting bows tuned to arrow and actual hunting broad heads. 40-60yrds for closer to “out west” distance.
This is f***ing fire 🔥 idea!
noted!!
Yes!!
Key points bows need to be identical, with the same arrows, and matching broadheads. If you really want to get down and minimize variables match FOC by weighting the backend as well.
@@JSturdivant I’d just like to see how the different set ups compare, I’m fine with apples to oranges comparison.
I’ve hunted (thankfully, successfully) with low 400grain to high 500grains, cheap expandables to Iron Wills, and 68lbs to 78lbs draw. I’m still trying to figure out what works best for me, considering budget, distance, availability, and overall performance.
Glad we re-did this test a little further down range.. What did ya’ll think?
I think where I’m at is speed = forgiveness.. penetration = forgiveness.. and having a broadhead that flys true and is sharp is also super important.. you just have to decide what’s best for your setup and game you pursue
Anyway friends next couple videos I’m pretty pumped about.. hope you have a great week 🤙
Much better Test. Just watched first video and commented and this popped up. Nice work.
Why haven’t I been watching your videos man I’m sorry it took me this long to subscribe. I love how you comment on the videos with what you think and how you feel. Great content man
hi. if you wanna make a good vid for lot of views. make this vid with armor grade types from basic vest to maybe full plated vest.. and shoot all armor with light mid and heavy arrows..and with a broad heads.. there lots of vid on youtube but not this specific type.. Maybe an Idea :)
I learned today that no matter what, you guys will continue to insist that hunting with a target set up is good to go. Even when you see results with your eyes. Is it just cuz you like the potential of failure cuz it presents a challenge or is it just an ego thing? Cuz even Dan is running 200 grains in the front of his arrow when just cpl seasons ago you guys told me I was crazy 🤪 and made videos goo fun on ranch fairy in a subtle way. I could certainly read between the lines that you guys were responding to his success lol
Just admit it and be done w it. Youl feel better. 😂
Love the content and it's an interesting discussion. Fun fact; In Denmark a new law is passing for bow hunting on fallow deer, red deer and sika deer, but the arrow is required to weigh atleast 33 gram (509 grains). Nice to see how heavy arrows should be made given the local requirements here :)
That's awesome! I hope all the bowhunters in Denmark success!
I definitely would like to see the same exact test at 50 yards see how things change there but this test definitely shows the kinetic energy difference hopefully someday Josh and the ranch fairy will be friends
oh yeah there's no bad blood..
Thanks for putting together this test. A lot of effort put into this. It is much appreciated!
Some ideas for the next test, maybe build 400 grain 20% foc, 600 grain 20% foc, and 800 grain 20% foc and repeat water jug test at different distances. Of course all those arrows must fly true, use broadhead with good structural integrity, and sharp 😃
The idea is to limit the variable to only weight difference.
Pt. 3 should include a old school aluminum arrow with a 125gr thunderhead or muzzy and a "disgruntled texan" arrow with insane FOC and a two blade single bevel.
Full breakdown of this test of over here on the podcast ✊🤙
I'm not surprised. I don't see many people arguing that a heavier arrow won't increase penetration when fired from the same bow. The question is: how much penetration do I really need, and is the extra penetration worth the trajectory/drop difference.
Thanks for demo. My thoughts: For “normal” deer hunting where you are not trying to shoot through heavy shoulder bone and using modern archery tackle, the shot placement if far more critical than penetration. I.E. you are likely to get a pass-thru anyway. That means a flatter trajectory is likely to be more forgiving in distance judging errors. If all shots are within 20 yds, for example, then heavy arrows power their way thru a scapula better being the better choice.
I am not surprised with the results. Great job with the tests!
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The effort to make this video is really appreciated. At the end of the day, no one is hunting 13 water jugs or takes that level of energy if you hit the appropriate spot. Just make better broadhead choices, and keep them sharp, and you'll solve penetration issues.
Congrats Tim and MFJJ - I’m sure you’ll make into P&Y for a record water jug!
Already have my application in for a P&Y jug award
Well done gents. Huge thanks. Appreciate the demo & perspective.
Quite informative.
Part 3 - 40 & 60yds with chronograph speeds at bow and at target.
Thanks for all your time and effort making this video! It was very informative.
Appreciate the video guys!
appreciate ya!
This video got me excited. I purposefully did not look at the comments until the video was over. Good stuff right here
thank you dude!
Glad to see this test come out! Definitely would love to see a test at maybe 40 yards or like alot of others are asking at 60 yards. Also just as you said it really does fall on what type of game you're hunting at what distances and maybe what bones structures you're trying to punch through if the shot isn't perfect.
Next test suggestion: use the meat missile, but step draw weight 70 - 80 - 90 - 100.
It would be super interesting to see how much less the heavy arrow drops at distance (the Part 1 test) with a 100lb bow.
I love the test you do. I learned much from them. Would like to see these same tests with add-ons. I would do the 30 to 60 yards test distances. I would use something to represent hide, then bone and two or three jugs. Keep the arrow set up as above. There are many hunters looking for distance, forgiveness, and penetration, yet that said. Many that I speak to at the archery shop are looking for penetration when the shot is off just enough to hit the front leg bone or when hitting ribs. Would like to see a test like this
You could definitely see the difference in speed in the slow motion replay
Awesome job on the follow up video! Part 3 definitely shoot up to 60 yards. Would love to see the results
Love the content and hope to see many more tests centered around this subject.
I wonder though what the difference in penetration would be at greater distances given the loss in velocity. We can assume the heavier arrow will have less loss in momentum during penetration (according to this test of course) but will that hold true for greater distances as the overall velocity of the arrow decreases?
Like most things, there is probably a range of effective arrow weights/velocity that will work and some upper/lower limits of what will penetrate effectively.
All in all I think this is great food for thought for people in both camps. Great content and keep it up!
yeah exactly.. food for thought, make educated decisions
Great content! It would be interesting to put a mechanical head on the heavy arrow and compare the penetration to the light arrow with the fixed head. If your looking for alternative medium for penetration, T-bone mentioned in a live insta feed, that the best medium is using a watermelon wrapped with a 1/4" plywood and leather/carpet. Those materials represents a deer size cavity the best in his opinion and I agree.
yeah it would!
fantastic work guys!
thanks G!
Need to test different distances. 30, 40,50, 60 yards. Liked and subscribed to help on the water bill. 👍
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For part 3 I'd like to see testing at 60 yards with each one of those arrows again. Interested to see if the penetration gains you showed stayed the same or will be negated.
I'm curious too.. it's super hard to test that far down range because you have to hit like a tennis ball size or slower.. plus the arc of the arrow
Archers advantage will calculate estimated KE and speed out to 1-150 yards. Managing a shop for the past 3 years I noticed a common trend of drastic energy loss over time for light arrows (450 or less) and a greater retention of energy with heavy arrows (600+) at distance. I have a 800 gr arrow that at 100yards practically knocks down a full size elk target vs my 450gr arrow that barely moves the target. Ultimately I advise shoot the heaviest arrow you can with a speed your comfortable with, 270-310 fps…
Nice point. If my arrow says 350 on it and my broad head is 100G I'm shooting 450 grain total correct? Or is it just 350 arrow weight only? Thanks
Don’t quite work like that Rickyjennings.
@@rickyjennings8627 the 350 on the arrow shaft indicates the spine, or how much deflection the arrow has given a specific amount of force. Typically, for most arrows but not all, the shaft is labeled with a number followed by gpi (grains per inch) this indicates the weight of the arrow per inch of carbon/aluminum. Further you need to weigh the nock, vanes, wrap, insert, and any bushings. All of this together with the point weight gives you your total arrow weight.
Another good point that I think should always be mentioned, aside from a drastic speed difference, is the amount of drop at different distances. Didn't realize how much there was until I was playing around myself, found an 8" drop differential at 30 yards going from 400 to 600 grains.
Yeah we tried to show that in the first part
8" ? Wow!!
I’ll take all this info into consideration for water jug season
I just put in my applications for a trophy water jug hunt in 24'
One of the key factors in Dr Ashby's study, was correct dynamic spine. Way bigger factor than mass alone so unless each of these arrows has been corectly bare shaft & nock tuned to suite the point weight, the arrow is loosing much of its energy oscilating as it impacts instead of driving that energy directly into the target.
It would be cool to see single bevel or 2 blades. Most of those heavy arrow usually use one of those two Broadheads
Ive generally always had a passthrough. That said ive started shooting heavier arrows and ive definitely seen better results. Deer dont take off like a rocket and die within sight. Ive lost some deer before and it sucks. I dont care about 100y kills at all. Since ive moved out west shots are 20 to 30 yards. 600g arrows have made my bow super quiet and i can still shoot 80y for fun. Arrows group amazing even in wind
Great test. The heavier arrow definitely pushed through more of those bottles. Not sure I would ever use an 800gr arrow unless I was in thick cover and the shots were 30 yards or less as that arrow will drop like a rock. The heavy arrow crew is right on the penetration Just depends on what you will give up for it and if you are comfortable with the sacrifices.
800 grains is an extreme arrow to be sure, but 650 grainsish should be the goal to aid in breaking heavy bone, incase the animal moves and your perfect shot gets a a leg bone thrown into it.
It'd be interesting to see what the difference would be in penitration for fixed vs mechanical in these 3 arrows.
I agree!
That's a lot of money you spent on this test, thanks Tim. 👍🏼
appreciate ya!
I’d be very interested to see if you double the distance what the penetration would be then. But all in all, much fairer test I believe.great job.
thanks G!
Almost like us heavy arrow guys know what we’re talking about when it comes to penetration.
Now the discussion on how much penetration is necessary for each animal is a different story.
I still say shoot the heaviest arrow possible with the best Broadhead you can afford with the most FOC your bow likes that gives you the worst trajectory you are okay with is the best option.
I love watching this video series. I personally hunt with an arrow that weighs 450 grains, the 800 grain will penetrate more, but with that being said, shooting the absolute biggest game, you might be needing 36-48 inches of penetration for a full pass-through, right? Seems like after that, everything else becomes pointless. Right?
If doubling distance made 25% difference.. can we infer that doubling again would be a 50% difference? Part 3 is needed! Keep up the good work!
I’ve seen the lab radar data for light and heavy arrows. The difference should be even more if distance was doubled again. Momentum at 50 yards had stark differences.
Good stuff
I think the biggest difference with the broadheads is that the vanes make it true much easier :) much better test then balistic gel! 👍🏼
Part 3 with soiled fixed two blade broadheads would be awesome more penertraion cheers
These have been fun test to watch. Next test. Why not take each arrow weight and shoot it with broadhead A (wide cut mech. such as a mega meat or similar) and then each arrow weight with broadhead B ( a 2 blade single bevels of whatever brand). From what we have seen was similar to these results the heavier with either broadhead went further as the weight went up when compared to the same broadhead but when comparing the 2 separate broadheads against each other we have seen broadheads make more of a difference then weight when it comes to penetration
My question is: Is the bow paper tuned with each arrow weight to punch bullet holes bare shaft?
The only improvement I can think of for this testing would be to get three of the same bows set up the exact same (poundage, draw length, rest, stabilizers, etc.) but tune each one for one of the arrows. It might not make any difference, but it would definitely be the best method to verify the results. I know that seems a little impractical but it would be the best way, in my opinion.
Hey Tim,
Thx for great and interesting videos, is it possible to make a video, with diffrent FOC, but same total weight? and about 3D arrows, mine have to weight minimum 25 Grams around 386 grains :)
Interesting how a little distance showed different measurements. It does seem like the weight of a heavier object is always harder to stop than the speed of a lighter object. But that’s just my opinion. Still lots of variables. Cool vid! Thanks for putting out content. Keep it up. You guys rock.
appreciate ya!
The results make sense. Speed degrades at further distances. Weight does not. I would be curious if you could build arrows at 3 drastically different weights but with very similar FOC. That would be a good way of seeing if the weight matters more or the FOC. Might be hard to build those arrows and get them to tune well. But I would be interested to see those results.
Part 3 should compare total arrow vs FOC. Two arrows that weigh the same but one has a higher FOC
Got it! Went out to get some water at my local store. Left with apple juice.
Like to see a sound test. Have been told bow and arrow down rang is quieter with a heavier set up
What index release is that
I think between the test on the previous video and this one, you proved why foam and gel are terrible penetration test mediums. With a field point, the friction on the shaft is the "dominant stopping force", whereas in an animal, with a broadhead (or apparently water jugs), there is relief cut around the shaft, allowing newtons force being applied to the front of the broadhead to be the dominant stopping force. GREAT work! Physics does work! The broadhead was key to making this the most applicable test for comparing the arrow weight performance on an animal.
What would the FPS be on the different arrow weights? 400 should be about 310fps?
Awesome job with the test it’s as fair of a test as I feel can be practically made.
If y’all do another test I’d like to see a test with the same arrows 400 600 800 with bad broadheads ( dull not 3/1 ratios everything you guys say not to use) compared to a good broad head. And see if there is a change.
My wording sounded rude once I reread it when I said “ you guys” . Sorry
Fascinating tests. What about using meat/carcasses?
Love it 😂
I have been shooting a 375 grain arrow for 30 years. I value how flat it shoots vs. penetration. It gives me a level of forgiveness when I don't judge the distance accurately. Can I shoot through the shoulder? No, but I'm not sure many can. My arrow passes through deer like butter and I use a mechanical. I'm not saying everyone should do this but it works for me and as I get older I only pull 55lbs so I need some speed.
I would like to see the test reflect a 600 grain arrow at 16.1 percent foc like the 400 grain arrow
Just to see if that would make any difference
At the 8 min mark you say that the middle ground is where most people are at and that is correct. Finding the arrow set up that works the best for what you are wanting to accomplish is key. If I post that I shoot a 615 grain arrow I get a lot of comments. With my bow set up that is what I have built that flys the best and accomplishes what I want. 31.5 inch draw and a 76 lb bow gets those arrows moving at about 285 fps. There was a lot of trial and math involved in building this set up.
That’s a dope setup ✊
Someone somewhere along the way told me that if I shot between 7 and 8 grains per lb of draw weight I would never be disappointed.
I’ve lost 3 whitetail bucks with light arrows 400-470gr that hit the shoulder…very little penetration like 3” or less …1 of them another guy killed few days later on our trip …you could see my arrow was dead center the bone ..deflected and came out the bucks brisket …started building heavier arrows after that …shot another buck in the shoulder 620 gr arrow complete pass through and it burried so deep in the creek bed I couldn’t find it ….buck went 40 yards and piled up I’ll never go light again my max I’m willing to shoot is 40-45 yards here in the southeast and a 4 pin sight is plenty for me ….just my experience
Round 3 - Same arrows, same broadheads, but out to 40 yards, then at 60 yards to see if the penetration differences grow incrementally with distance. It would be interesting to see what target tips do vs broadheads, though. I think in order to see real results the same bow and the same person should be shooting the arrows, just as you did in this video. Thanks guys!
As velocity drops (energy is exponential to velocity) momentum which is linear to weight becomes more important to penetration. This means you have a greater effect from arrow weight the further the shot, due to lower velocity.
Energy = M*V^2
Momentum = M*V
Always go as light as I can. When Increasing the weight you lose alot of speed for minor a minor increase in kinetic energy..
A more relevant test to apply to more hunters would be to use like three draw weight bows shooting more average arrow weight. Like a 400-450-500 grainers. Using 60-65-70 DW @. 28”.
Ive dropped back to 400 grns Works good on whitetails !
I think most knew the outcome or somewhat close, that being said, I'll keep using my "lighter" arrows 🤷♂️🤷♂️
Also, I appreciate the effort put into this. 👍👍
Nice test boys. I think this did a good job showing the difference you will see as distance increases. I would have to disagree with MFJJ is saying that it is not a big difference in penetration as it seems that if there is that much difference in penetration. that difference between light and heavy should exponentially increase as you test at further and further distances. this is where the efficiency of a heavier/slower arrow will start to shine. I wonder if the penetration distance between the light and heavy arrow stay the same at a ~3 jug difference or does the penetration difference increase. I like to think of it this way. the harder an object is to begin motion the harder it is to slow down. the easier an object is to put into motion the easier it is to slow down. if you were to do one more test I would suggest shooting the heaviest and lightest arrows at as far of a distance you felt comfortable making and see if the exponential difference in penetration is true. Another interesting test would be to take some of ranch fairies claims of a heavy arrow having more energy at 60 yards than a light arrow at launch. I don't remember the exact arrow weights he had in the data but would be interesting to validate or disprove his data. keep up the good work and pumping out good content.
Approximate one more jug of penetration per approximate 200 grains of arrow weight, practically is probably a bad trade off for the drastic velocity loss.
If anything this test teaches me is the standard 425-475 grain arrow is a standard for a reason.
From my observations, the water jug tests are more realistic than ballistics gel, water is a consistent medium, as is ballistics gel, however water does not grip the arrow shaft like the sticky tackiness of the ballistics gel, so your results actually make sense with this test. Next colab Tom Connor, Josh Jones, Troy Fowler. 😁 Keep up the awesome content Tim.
yeah I think it's a good fair medium!
@@TimConnor13 thank you for all the content and amazing discussions you've had with people all across the industry. Your fireside chats with mfjj about all things archery and the depth to which you're willing to explore. God bless.
@@JJ79_you need some resistance to measure penetration, they used identical bottles, so it's still consistent. How would you suggest we all test our arrow penetration?
So about 20 years ago I hurt my sholder and shot a 50lbs hoyt ultra tec and had Crabon Express CX200 with a 75gr steal force TI... was getting 290fps with a 300gr arrow... and I still got compleat pass thru on the deer I shot... fast foward to present day and I still dont know how the FOC thing works I still shoot lower lbs 55-60max and shoot a 350gr arrow and still harvest deer just fine... I even still shoot the old Rocket Steal Head 100gr on most of my arrows..i have tried heaveyer arrows but always go back to the 340-370gr range and have not had any problems
I have just Paper tuned and that's about all I do..
I've killed piles of deer with 300gr arrows and Wasp Bullet broadheads, the only time I didn't get a passthrough was on a deer I anchored for a buddy with a spine shot. Most of them were with an Ultratec with spiral cams set at 58lbs. Arrow speed was 310fps.
Wow. Im gettin rid of my blazers 350 g arrows and going heavier. Probably why I can never get full pass through and have hard time tracking. I need more punch
The two most crittical aspects in achery since archaic times where always 1 the speed an archer would use shooting each arrow, and 2 the speed of the arrow, for example, the reason why the comanche shot 2-3-4 arrows after the first one was because the speed of the arrow going, its not hard to avoid them on longer distance, so how much would you guys trade of the weight for speed? Afyer all we just need 1-2 jugs for a decend game, comamche style training 1 arrow a second going 600-800fps, perhabs it would be possible with a composite design and light shorter arrows as that system requires, that would be awesome, i believe the first percussion revolvers where designed to keep up with the shooting pace/speed of thoes guys
Speed is relative to weight. The only true factor is if the different weights are traveling at the same speed coming out of the bow. If you could make a 800 grain arrow go 300 fps it would 100% out penetrate a 400 grain arrow traveling at the same speed. A heavier arrow does slow down slower but at these truly slow speeds. The 4-800 grains are also way too lite to break gravity and air density to make a penetration difference.
400 - 16%foc
600 - 11%foc
800 - 18%foc
How did you get these weights and foc 🤔
@timconner13 @MFJJ I thoroughly enjoy y’alls content. I do have a couple concerns regarding your arrow weight and their corresponding FOCs. Josh Jones always said best FOC is above 15% correct? More FOC in the arrow means better penetration. With the 420 grain arrow =16% FOC; 600 grain arrow = 11%; and the 800 grain arrow = 18 ; I get confused. Shouldn’t the 600 have more FOC than the 420 grain ESPECIALLY when the 600=11%??
You have a MAJOR FLAW in your test because your arrows are not the same your FOC is different and worse in ratio comparison to your lightest arrow. At least make them the minimum of what a good hunting arrow should be. If you can make the 420 grain arrow have 16% the heavier arrows should be more if the broadheads weighed differently
I think to solve this issue you would have to use different series/manufacture of arrow because of spine weights needed for the heavier build. So now you have introduced one variable trying to solve another.
Mfjj, a rip tko 300 cut at 27.5” to stay around 425-450 how do i maximize my foc? The ultimate build
You'll have good FOC because of your arrow choice.. just build to the desired weight
For max FOC for your arrow here’s one recipe:
Gold Tip traditional 600 stainless steel insert = 72 gr
27.5” RIP TKO + nock = 251 gr
Tip/broadhead = 100 gr
3 x Tac Driver 2.75” vanes = 18.2 gr
No wrap = 0 gr
Total weight = 441.2 gr
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500 grains works perfect for me and midwest whitetail, my average shot distance here in N. Missouri, for me is 30 yds
Let's see the difference between fixed blade and machanical lI've the videos guys keep it up
I love how confidently wrong the light arrow know it all cultist was...then his one last ditch effort to salvage his preconceived notion with the label thing. I did enjoy the test...way better than foam which is made to stop arrows
I think arrow diameter plays a roll. Micro has less drag since it's smaller than the diameter of the ferrule in most cases.
"Is it a significant difference? I don't think so."
Yeah, but we all knew you wouldn't. That's why you chose the test medium you did.
Why is the heavy arrow set to 788 if it weighed in at 793.5?
Great content. If only you and Dan could’ve worked something out. Yall would be at the 100k mark already.
wind accuracy test
The results were as expected. Why not do the same test at 40, 50 and 60?
Since you're taking suggestion- Why dont you use 6 water jugs and put a chrono on the other side of the jugs to see what kind of speeds those arrows are carrying?
22.5%. more penetration with the 800 gr arrow. At 60 yrs it will be more, due to the drag coefficient on the lighter arrow exceeds the CD on the heavier arrow. But the tradeoff in penetration is with arrow drop due to more mass and loss in velocity. Your preference depends on your range to target, time to target....make your own decision. Maybe that why the arrow engineer recommended 7 grains per pound of bow = best efficiency? They all will kill an elk, if the elk doesn't move....that's the rub.
You added a variable. You added a broadhead. This means you cannot look at test one vs test two. To see if there was a difference, you would have to repeat one of the tests with matching tips. This test is exactly what you will see. Add mass in the same bow increases penetration. The question is how much. Since the test has zero correlation to the penetration in an animal, that question cannot be answered.
Great content…maybe 50yrds would be interesting 🧐
I agree!
Heavy really kicks in when you gotta break bones.
Not enough of difference to loose so much speed, not to mention trying to tune that heavy an arrow would be a pain in the ass
Ummmm Its actually the reverse.. The heavier arrow is tougher and slower therefor easier to tune
The same test with gel will show how bad gel is at testing arrow penetration. I take 99% of muly shots under 30 yards so that mid range arrow is perfect for my setup with a cut on contact head.
Did Josh say pwenartate?
I thought they were going to put like a old pack of spare ribs infront of the jugs or some actual meat stuff and then jugs.
It is known that light arrows shed speed quicker. The results will not be linear and the heavier arrow will penetrate more the further the shot.
Instead of “archery wizard” MFJJ should be the “Arrow Whistler” cause he reminds me of Yondu from Gardians of the Galaxy
So now put a 166 arrow and some lower profile vanes. Magnus Stinger. Same weights.