Light vs Heavy Arrow
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- Опубліковано 3 сер 2022
- Hooked 2 Hunt puts six differently weighted arrows to the test to see how the weight impacts speed and penetration. Ballistics gel test, cardboard block test, chronograph test, and S10 truck door test. We also test a bonus item that had shocking results.
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There probably isn't much difference because the kinetic energy is likely close in all cases. Heavier arrows going slower might end up with similar KE as the lighter arrow going faster. Personally, I like the lighter arrows for the flatter trajectory and speed to target.
The heavy arrows have more KE at 60yards than the light arrows have at launch. Ranch fairy radar verified the numbers.
More momentum is only due to a heavier arrow it has nothing to do with penetration, their slower and have a lobbing trajectory. I don't know why anyone would want this in their archery life. Lighter faster arrows have a flatter trajectory and shoot straighter and penetrate the same as a heavy higher momentum arrow. The armor piercing arrow has a narrower diameter shaft then the field point and the shaft doesn't aquire as much resistance from the target. The field point opens the hole and without resistance from the shaft,goes straight through the target. This effect only works with field points because broadheads open a hole big enough to reduce arrow shaft resistance. Hope this helps, great job on your video.
I do believe the armor piercing arrows will be the next I purchase. That's crazy how big of a difference it was. Great video.
Once a Broadhead is added. At least a fixed head that is. Is there really a difference then?
Have never needed an arrow heavier than 460.
you cant just throw a bunch of weight into a arrow and expect it to perform. "dynamic spine" is kinda important. that 710gr should be a 200 spine. Not only does a weak spine arrow effect the amount of arrow deflection during the shot but it also Deflects during impact. a stiff shaft is more efficient in maintaining momentum.
To be fair he never said how the weight was added if its weight tubes or heavy inserts so you can't just assume he's weakening the spine bc tubes don't really do as much to spine as foc weight
Multiple videos now showing the trade offs of light vs heavy. Although heavy arrows win in peneteationn out at distance, the trajectory in the woods may put you in the trees and not on the deer. Middle of the road and smaller diameter looks to be the win win.
I reckon the thin arrow penetrated so much better because the larger diameter tip and collar creates a bigger diameter hole for the rest of the arrow to go through with way less friction.
you got similar results because of how close and because of momentum. Momentum = mass x velocity. Your mass went up as your velocity went down, giving each of your arrows the same momentum and thus the same penetration. You would get different results and distance as energy bled off due to drag.
absolutely wrong. increase arrow weight, increased momentum.
more energy absorbed by heavy arrow from stored bow energy
@@tsz374 you would be correct IF you accounted for the fact that he did not adjust the poundage of the bow to keep the speed consistent between the different weights. At this short range, the increased speed compensated for the lighter weight, which is why the arrow penetration remained roughly the same.
You're correct. Unfortunately, that means they're going to need to invest the time and effort to put together a ballistics gel block that is maybe 4 times what they used here (depending how accurate they are at distance). A better test would be at 40 yards, where you're splitting the difference between the shorter yardage that most whitetails are harvested vs. the longer distances that western bowhunters typically encounter.
What they will find is that the heavier arrow will lose less velocity over distance compared to the lighter arrows. The lighter arrow will bleed off more speed over distance because the lighter weight is more susceptible to the force of drag. The heavier arrow will lose less speed over distance. You'll lose noticeably more penetration over distance with the lightest arrow vs. the heaviest arrow as a result. The downside is that the trajectory for the heavier arrow is such that you cannot afford to misjudge your distance at longer yardage. If you guess 40 yards for a mule deer and the animal is actually 45, most archers will shoot completely under the animal because they're not shooting an 80 lb. bow with 31 inch draw to get their starting arrow speed up to 280 fps.
@@michaelpoplawski3246 not to mention that the test medians that were used here stop arrows with friction on the shaft, and animals do not.
Good argument if you intend to shoot deer at 50 yards. At 20 they all did the job and hard to argue the Armour Piercing out did them all.
My only comment is that each arrow must be tuned to the bow in order to reap all the rewards of it's penetration. This is because an untuned arrow has a wobble or porpoise and this dissipates energy upon impact. Another factor is FOC if not tuned, doesn't guide the arrow direct thru it's target.
That ICE coating on the Victory shaft is slick.
I live about 7 miles from bear creek he is a good dude
Armor Piercing arrows on the bucket list for sure!
I use the VAP VICTORY VOODOO bolts on my crossbows and they go through my target bags as well and more... fifteen dollars each... but for hunting deer and such... well worth the price and the best arrows for going through things I have ever used. I don't need that kind of power for my flu flu archer but bought some flu flu arrows recently that hit harder than I wanted... but will use them any way. Means I have to hike more to get my arrows back... more exercise for me and guess good physical therapy since I lost my left leg below the knee in 2018. I do love VICTORY archery and arrows and crossbow bolts... so thank you for this video demonstration. Wish you the best and all those that watch your videos.
Glad you enjoyed the video. Great feedback. Much appreciated. APA definitely tare targets up
Would be interesting to do the hunting test with light arrows/expanding broadheads vs heavy cut on contact broadheads.
Let’s gooo!!! I love broadhead and arrow testing ! Great job!
Good info, love the armor piercing arrow!
Great job!
Awesome video guys.....as always! Lol! Very informational. I like that 5mm arrow. I'm gonna have to get me some of those before the season starts after seeing those results. I hope you all have a very successful season this year and be safe. Ttyl.
Best of luck nocken your target deer dead this season as well. Glad you enjoyed the content. We appreciate the support. More to come in the following weeks.
That kinda knock's everyone else's theory on the head, as they say the proof's in the jelly...👍👍
Enjoyed the video
Great video!
Awesome video
Velocity×velocity×mass/450240= KE.......velocity is measured twice , weight once. The difference in KE is minimal as weight goes up or down . The argument for heavy arrows has always been momentum. In real world results , at least for me, light arrows penetrate animals as good or better than slower heavier arrows . KE high enough for the animal your hunting is the key . My current setup is a 402gr arrow at exactly 300fps. That's 80 ft lbs of KE. Exactly TWICE the recommended minimum for a mature whitetail. I used to hunt with a 315gr arrow at 313-325 , depending on which bow I was shooting. The only time I didn't get a complete pass through was on a nice buck at 35 yds . Hit the leg bone on the far side after complete heart penetration . I watched him expire after a 40 yd run.
Love the videos
Definitely interesting results.
great video, thanks
Great video. I love my Victory VAP arrows.
Awsome video man might have to try those armor piercing arrows out…
Sweet video!
Great info to know
Loved all the innuendos! Curious as to draw weight on that killer PSE .
Very interesting, I would have thought a big difference between the different weight arrows.
love this !!!! super cool
Awesome!
I'm not gonna take the time to calculate it, but my guess is that all arrows had a similar KE and that is why they all performed the same. The higher you can get your KE the more penetration you will have. Look up Joel Blitz he has done some great testing on the heavy vs lite arrow set up and basically debunked the heavy arrow myth.
It is all to do with surface area of the shaft of the arrow in contact with the ballistic jelly, it acts like a brake!
The skinny arrow has less area so it passed through.
If you shoot from say 40 yards you will find that the lighter arrows slow faster and don’t retain as much of their energy as the heavier arrows, they don’t loose as much energy to wind resistance as the lighter arrows.
fun to watch. However, heavy versus light comes down to arrow drop versus down range penetration. Could you shoot the various arrows at 50 yards and measure the arrow drop as well as the penetration into the card board block. Thank you.
I want to see a broad head test with all the arrows weights next to the armor piercing arrow with various broadheads
Thats a badass arrow
The armor pierce is crazy!
Cool video
I've had similar results going to the 4mm easton axis arrows.
I think you might have seen a difference if there was something hard partway into the ballistics gel. Either way, cool video!
Now that I've seen the VAP arrow. I wonder how you would practice your hunting setup with complete pass thru's on everything. BTW, bought 2 boxes of those 30.06 Bloodbaths after your broadhead test. Keep em coming.
I started to shoot the VAP and am now trying to find a good bow target for them. My foam deer is the only target that I don't have a ridiculous time trying to get the arrow out because they go so deep. Stay away from cloth filled targets. Harder foam is my best guess. Bloodbath is an excellent buy. It will be competing against a new lineup for the 2022 Broadhead Test since it was the Victor last year.
You would use a bag target or a deer target or a foam cell block target! The layered black hole target I get pass throughs at 45 yds with my 400g arrow at 287 fps
So would you guess that most micro diameter would perform the same? I've got VAP SS arrows and need a new target thanks to them blowing out the back of my block.
I hope I’m not too late to enter I love this video I shoot the VAP arrows they are amazing this year I shot something different and I am definitely switching back
I didn't hear what the FOC % of each was. Their could be 2 arrows the same weight and one that's 12% FOC is gonna hit way different than one at 25%. Testing the speeds up close, and at 60, that's when you see big performance differences. Between 50 to 60 yards is where you see a huge difference in penetration between light and heavy, and also a big difference in speed erosion when you get past 50. At 60 yards your heavy arrow may lose 15fps out to 60 yard where the light arrow might lose 35fps getting there. It's all very interesting to me. Thanks for the video 🏹
Just think if you tag out early, you'll be all set for the Halloween party. Thor the truck door hunter!!!😂
😆 I could have my door strapped to my deer wagon.
@@hooked2hunt that's hilarious film a hunt in a junkyard. Drag out a truck door trophy !!! Love your show keep up the good work!!!
Been using the smaller diameter arrows recently in hopes of results like this in the field. the only that changes is that with a broadhead, how much friction does the shaft really case while passing through the animal since the broadhead should be cutting that material out of the way. Great video as always!!
You’re on to something here. As long as the diameter of the shaft is the same or smaller than the ferrule of the broadhead, you won’t see any appreciable difference in an animal. It’s already been proven.
Dr. Ashby's 12 Factors of Penetration: # 5. Shaft-Diameter: There is a substantial INCREASE in penetration when the shaft of an arrow is at least 5% smaller in diameter than the back of the broadhead’s ferrule. Likewise, there is a substantial LOSS in penetration when the shaft diameter is larger than the back of the broadhead’s ferrule.
What pound are you shooting and your draw length?
Put the same fixed blade broadheads onto the pierce arrow and one of the others maybe the one of the same weight, just larger diameter arrow and shooting into foam or cardboard then and see the difference if there is any at all?
Are you just shooting heavy arrows or do u have heavy foc / broadheads/ inserts
The ice coating really helps. We have 16 world records with shooting the VAP
Do they make a armor piercing crossbow bolt / arrow ???
How about the Victory arrow with Annihilator broadheads?
I just looked at the Annihilator broadhead. Looks like a solid fixed blade. Might have to add that into our 2022 Battle of Broadheads Test that is coming up this month.
@@hooked2hunt Please do the entire lineup. I'd love to see the difference between the regular and XL, and the different weights. I just started doing archery this year so I'm still learning.
I'd like to see that AP arrow tested with the Toxic broadhead. That would be an interesting combination...
I wonder what the same arrows would do against something like body armor
Stay tuned and you will find out. That video will be coming soon. Love the suggestion. Let us know if you have any other ideas.
Im shooting a 650 grain at 260. Its a absolute hammer.
Nice outfit. Very entertaining.
How was the weight of the arrows changed? Did that affect the spine? Were they all shooting/flying well? Were they all the same FOC? Guessing the shop guys took all these little variables that affect penetration into account in the builds, but just curious about the process.
The arrows were as identical as you could get besides the weight. As far as how they came out of the bow, that definitely changes quickly. Weight impacts alot. They definitely would not all be papertuned. The impacts did appear straight and consistent though. Might have to include broadheads and shoot farther out next time. I appreciate the feedback.
Yeah good point how the weight is added to the arrow makes a difference how much weight is in the front of the armor piercing arrow what is the gpi
Armor piercing one broke in half! Thanks! I’ll keep away from that arrow now
Different tunes for different weights
Micro arrows are where it's at. My problem is finding some that 31 inches. Any suggestions?
Russ from Bear Creek Archery might be able to order them. I would try reaching out to him. I believe I have his contact info in the video description.
Cool video, now you should do one at 20 yards with the same broadhead and see if there's a difference. Hope the bow can be Left Handed.
Yep. We can order a left hander. We will definitely have to do a retest after we gather more feedback. Appreciate the feedback!
All arrows shot at 10 yards wether heavy or light, will perform basically the same. Step out to 30+ yards and the heavy arrow will always perform a lighter arrow. Also, no one is building a 700 grain arrow with a 100gr tip. Most of your heavy arrow setups will have 60-70% of the weight out front for a high FOC. instead of making sure the arrow is heavier, changer the tip out front to heavier tips. Start at 100gr and go to 200gr out front and see how that differs. Also on small diameter shafts that use an outsert, the outsert is larger diameter than the shaft causing a larger entry hole, and the arrow virtually has no drag against it. Love the videos, just need better tests. Hope this helps in some way.
Only thing about this test is you don't say how you are getting heavier are you going to heavier arrows and spin or using heavier inserts with weights either way if you would have made up the weight difference with the field point you would be making more foc therefor getting more penatration
Been shooting victory vap tko for 2 years on mechanical 125 shwacker heads 436 grains all pass through on 4 deer
calculating the foot pounds they all had similar foot pounds at 70 -/+2, the VAP slightly faster with 77 foot pounds of energy
Interesting.
Can I get that bow under 60lbs draw? Surgery done took its toll.
Well it's not really apples-to-apples because as you increase the arrow weight your bow is going out of tune so therefore you are losing penetration in order for this to work that are perfectly tuned to the same bow
It would of been real world to test the penetration at 30 and 40 yards. I think thats where the heavier arrows would shine.
We appreciate the feedback. We do plan on stretching the distance with this test in the late spring or summer. Can't wait to see how much the results differ.
Vap sd gets more penetration because the tip is larger than the shaft itself
So it’s not surprising
as usual another informative and interesting video. glad i found this channel. keep up the good work
Smaller diameter arrows always penetrate much farther.
The best arrow Ive found so far is the 4mm X-Impact, 100 grain steel outsert, 100 grain tip.
Stupid penetration...
Brand new targets cant hold it back... my moose arrow.
Deer arrow:
5mm Victory XV, 50grain titanium half outsert = super fast.
Now I know that I can use any arrow to “hunt” cardboard and ballistic gel. Since I don’t ever plan on hunting either, I’ll stick with what has been tested on real animals.
I’m gonna run out and get small diameter arrows out with the big and in with the small!
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So in conclusion of your video shows that any animal that you would shoot at no more than 10 ft will not matter whether the arrow is light or heavy you will still get the same penetration
That's what I got out of it. Besides that armor piercing arrow. I picked some up and they go so deep into my bow targets that I can barely get them out of most of them. 😆
Not exactly. All that was proven here is that in cardboard and gel that they all perform similar. Cardboard and gel stop arrows by friction. Animals do not.
Coool
Go back to you high school physics teacher. Momentum = mass times velocity. Each bow has an optimum arrow mass and velocity, weight and speed. Create a graph of arrow weight vs speed should form a bell curve.
Where the fck does one get Armor peircing arrows?
We get ours from Russ at Bear Creek Archery in Baldwin Iowa. His contact information is below. You can call him and he could build them and send them your way. Definitely stop by if you live close enough. Great guy and amazing small town service.
all of the weights are actually way overkill for deer, i will not give up any speed for obese (slow) arrows.
Just having a heavy arrow vs a light arrow you won’t see much of change but once you increase the foc of a heavy arrow and get perfect arrow flight then you will see a big change.. if you shoot a 710 grain arrow that has a 10 percent foc all you did was shoot a slow arrow…. Get its foc up and you will see a difference also.. ballistics gel isn’t a good medium
other results will be probably with broadheads at 30yds
So that's all the penitration you've ever had in an animal? Ever?
Never had a pass through?😊
Did you ever get to 50k subs
Nope. Long way to go.
Shoot at 20 yards. Not 3.
The problem with your test is your way too close it is only showing how they penetrate at launching speed not after speed degradation depending on the distance that's where you're truly see the difference but at the same time you can tell the penetration difference because remember as each Arrow gets heavier it's moving slower and it's penetrating just as deep as the lightest Arrow that's moving the fastest so at distance that light arrow is going to lose more speed than the heavy Arrow which will translate into less penetration
Great imput. That's what we were thinking but wasn't sure. When we test them again I will shoot form 30-50 yards and will bring some taller targets. 😆
Armor peirce is BAD!!!!!
That bow is slow
That's why Ranch fairy is BS !!! Just find the happy medium to keep speed up . 450 I get pass threw on elk!
I got caught up in the ranch fairy hipe a couple years ago. Happy medium is definitely where I'm at today. I like some weight because it helps keep the arrow more on its path if you hit any twigs, but love my speed because most deer I shoot are moving to some extent.
@@karl_farbman81 Lol whatever!
I agree 100 percent!!!@@karl_farbman81