Don't SKIP THIS, Broadhead Tuning (start here)
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- Don't SKIP THIS, Broadhead Tuning (start here)..Tim Connor and Josh Jones of Podium Archery go through Tim's Hoyt VTM 34 and get it broadhead tuned. This is a how to video on the broadhead tuning process and how important it is to get your bow completely ready for season. Get your bow broadhead tuned up. #archery #3darchery
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Headed out for the first big hunt of the year.. hope you all are getting dialed in and feeling confident heading into the Fall.. I’ll be off the grid for a bit.. appreciate y’all!! ✊🏹 now go shoot your bow
have an awesome hunt. GOOD LUCK!
Have a awesome hunt !!!! where I am we have about 40 days Kentucky first hunt of the year then Ohio opens and WV
Honestly, I like the raw side to this video. It’s cool to see people you look up to shooting like humans instead of robots.
Thank you my dude
agreed
Very confused on the L/R movement. This is the opposite of everything I have heard and I don't understand why it would be different that the vertical adjustments.
Agreed, that claim makes no sense.
I’m am confused on the order of operations… so I am going to assume the order goes something like this.. setup bow and eye everything to square.. then sight in enough to get on target at 20-30 yards.. then broadhead tune followed up by 1st/2nd/3rd axis shoot in adjustments? Also should you try this with multiple broadheads and what broadheads are recommended for tuning if you plan to shoot mechanicals with smaller vanes. I’m just not sure my smaller vanes will stabilize a fixed blade to begin with.
Nice to see a regular guy shooting. Keep the content coming.
It appears to me that the variability of your accuracy (with either field tips or broadheads) is sufficient to render your "broadhead tuning" nothing more that pure coincidence? If one shoots enough arrows, and just chooses those instances where the field tip and broadhead hit close to each other, can it really be "tuning"? Also, it would have been nice to see you shoot a group of just field tips, and then a group of broadheads (not the same arrow, but rather 3 or 4 separate arrows, or better yet, the same 3 or 4 arrows just changing the points) to see how each of the different arrows flew and grouped? Perhaps your actual tuning session was more structured than your video appeared to me? And lastly, perhaps it just my OCD having been a statistician that leaves me unconvinced? To each his own.......
What a wealth if you know someone like Josh.👍
Lucky to have him around!
Your just chasing your tail on this one.. if you can’t shoot good enough to touch your arrows every time you will be constantly moving all over. If you hit the 2” circle with both. Your probably fine. Move out to further distance and check again
Man, thank goodness for UA-cam and podcasts! Back in the late 1900’s, telling my age, you had to know someone who knew something in order to get the information that is being seen by thousands now on these platforms!
We were told that the broadheads just shot different than your field tips, typically high and right, so you just re-sighted in your bow to your broadheads when it got close to season. Sure wish we had known better! So thank you for providing this resource of knowledge. I’m really enjoying both of your guy’s channels and the wood stove conversations!
One of the most comprehensive broadhead tuning videos out there. Thank you.
Been going through all this again over the last few weeks getting ready for this season and had to cycle through about 6 other videos from other UA-camrs to get all the info that y’all put in this one. Also had to sift through a couple other videos that have the horizontal rest adjustment backwards.
The method you described is absolutely correct. If someone has to do the exact opposite, go back to square 1, something’s up with that setup. Timing out, wrong arrow spine, etc.
Question: do you like the high roller target? I need to replace my 18-1 (no complaints on it) but have been looking at the high roller. Specifically for broad heads.
18-1 is more durable
Nice video! Tim's arrow looks a little short for my taste. Broadhead is right behind his fingers. If there is a failure of the rest or your drawing in a hurry and arrow bounces of the rest, that may be very bad. I like hunting arrows a little longer.
I've always wondered, though, why no one shoots a field tip-arrow through paper after they've broadhead tuned their bow. To show if the tear is still a perfect bullet-hole. Just curious.
@joshandtim Please help me understand the contradiction in your broadhead tuning. On @elkshape video “ALL Broadhead TUNING….” MFJJ said to move the broadhead to the field point in the horizontal. However, in this video MFJJ says the opposite…Move the field tip to the broadhead in the horizontal and move the broadhead toward the field tip in the vertical. Which is it and why the contradiction? Thanks
Help! BH are constantly hitting to the right of the FTs and will not correct. Am I underspined as stated by MFJJ?
Matthews phase 4. 31 inch draw, 75 pound mods, 250 spine victory TKO’s, hundred grain iron Will broadhead.
OK here’s my question. Do my field tips have to hit where my broad heads are hitting? Why don’t I tune everything for the broad heads to be perfect for hunting and leave the field tips in the garage for next season‘s TAC.
It's gotta be tough to shoot with a camera in your face...
I’m used to it, but sometimes I feel it !
I know this is a month old. Not sure if you’ll get this but since PAs season doesn’t start until October I’ve just started checking things over. Decided to give fixed blades a try this year with the new V3X. My left and rights are good but I’m consistently 4 inches high at 20 and 30. Tries moving the rest slightly down twice maybe 1/16th total and did nothing. Was told by two bow shops my timing is on and it might just be the way it is. I have noticed the original shop set my nock height a little low so the center of the arrow is running maybe through the bottom of the burger hole. Would raising everything up so it’s center of the burger hole help? I’ve also heard some bows like nock high and mine appears to be 90 or very slightly nock high but not an 1/8th like I’ve been told. Just wondering if the master FMJJ would have any suggestions. Love you guys both especially with the technical content. Has helped me gain confidence in adjusting my bow on my own during the tuning process. Thanks!!
Great vid, guys! I wish we had a Josh Jones in CO. Our techs are ok, but they aren’t as good as MFJJ…. NOT PLAYIN’. Thanks again - awesome content!
Honestly the only ones I’ve seen close to as good as JJ is the Bow and Arrow shop dude from Bow Disciples. It’s hard to find that level of knowledge anywhere.
I haven’t seen a pro shop with even half of the knowledge Josh has in over 20 years. Nobody seems to care enough about their job, and your equipment to take any of the proper tuning steps. They take a bow out of the box, slap accessories on, tie a peep and d loop, and send you on your way. The only way we can get the most out of our equipment, is to either buy the press and draw board and do our own work, or drive to Washington and ask for MFJJ. Lol
It’s sad and frustrating, but we all need to learn to work on our own bows
I don’t understand why people think bareshafting is so much work and difficult. If your bareshaft flies there is literally no difference in your field points and broadheads. Plus there is no doubt in your mind that all of your arrows fly well. Please don’t check one arrow with a broadhead and call it good. CHECK EVERY ARROW. Remove all uncertainty if you are going to shoot at an animal.
I'm relatively new to high-end compound bows. What is the point of doing the initial paper tune if you have to move the rest to tune the broadhead anyway? Also, if I were to dedicate my bow to only hunting, could I just tune to the broad heads only and not worry about field points? From what I could gather, you were tuning for a happy medium between the two? I've been watching a few of your videos, and they've been quite helpful, cheers!
Cool video tim. I just broadhead tuned my V3X 29 .at my archery club. I have the NAP HELLRAZOR fixed blade flying great. I cant wait for the season to start in September
Good video, great info but you guys are splitting hairs here. You're not a machine, there's going to be some human error unless the bow is strapped to a bench and every shot is identical. Similar to a rifle in a lead sled vs shoulder fired. Realistically, hit both in a 2-3" circle, move back, check and repeat. When you get tired, stop and take a break....
That actually brings up a good video idea. Do a best score when fresh and once you've shot 50-100+ arrows. See where you're accuracy starts to deteriorate.
Take Your frustration... And then think about doing it without a certified expert in your pocket. It can fucking blow.
There are so many catch phrases and buzz words in the sport now that it is "popular". Focus on the BASICS, like paper tuning. From the engineers at several companies I have worked with since about the same time Josh started his store, a bow is either in tune or it is out of tune. There is no such thing as "Super tuning". Spend your hard earned money on lessons on how to properly hold your bow, anchor, and build the right arrow for the bow you are using. Then go shoot. Josh said to comment below...I would comment on Tim's grip being a hair too deep into the center of his palm.
By the way Josh, I can't tell you how many times I have repeated what you said on the whiteboard in forums, only to have keyboard pros tell me I am wrong... Thanks for the confirmation. On a side note, that white dot Tim is shooting at is a lot bigger than his sight pin at 20 yards, maybe a smaller point of aim (black dot or white sticker) on that target could help him to aim more precisely.
Did Josh Jones say Alena hole or clean hoe😝 just kidding I can’t seem to get mine to fly the same I really need to send my bow to u to have you check it and tune it . Tim what is your favorite Celsius flavor ? Love u guys and love that battle worn bow ! Keep up the great content!
I’m using an Elite Ethos with Hamskea Epsilon shooting at 2 pm from center of a clock so move downwards and right?
Why do you move the rest opposite for elevation changes, but the same direction as the BH for horizontal? I've done it just the opposite for 25 years.
How come I read it say move the rest to left of the broadhead is to the right? It's like 50/50 on the internet
11:40 why do other sites say to move the opposite direction? Have you tested chasing field point. What’s the difference?
MFJJ If you took a bow that was tuned and shooting arrows with broadheads and practice tips in the same spot, then slightly moved the rest to the right and shot you would see the target tips hitting slightly right and broadheads hitting even farther right. You would not move the rest to the right to correct. It needs to move back to the left. Please explain.
I love your videos, but the flinching gets me… I know you want a surprise shot, but after a while I would have figured you’d get use to it and not flinch as bad
Can someone clear me here, I've watched multiple videos. And there are so many different teaching. Where do i move my rest if my broadheads shoot right of the field point. In this video mfjj says move the rest to the right, I've watched his other video he says move your rest to the left... pin this comment
I'm confused on why you move left and right towards the broadhead and up and down away from. Moving the rest impacts the broadhead more than field tip, so why are we not doing the same on both planes?
Why is your side bar angled out so far? Everytime you draw back you can see your bow rotate and it looks like your fighting it
My question is I'm shooting a mechanical it is dead on with my field tip at twenty but at 30 the broadhead hits low
Awesome video, as a lefty do you make adjustments opposite of what you guys did ? Also tell MFJJ got my vice awesome talking to him
i found that slick trick broadheads fly exactly like field points and are cheap
I HAVE HUNTED AND SHOT ARCHERY FOR OVER 30 YEARS AND I WISH I HAD THE INFORMATION YEARS AGO THAT I GET FROM WATCHING JOSH JONES, I LEARN SO MUCH FROM YOUR VIDEO'S . I WAS SELF TAUGHT AND RELIZE NOW THAT I HAD MANY FLAWS IN MY TECHNIQUE , PRATICING WRONG TECHNIQUES NEVER MAKES IT CORRECT. THANKS FOR PUTTING IN THE TIME.
thank goodness for you and MFJJ Been saying for years that a perfectly tuned bow is when broadheads and fieldpoints hit in the same place .. Great video great information
When changing the timing in the cams. Should you go back to paper tuning?
What 100 grain Hades head would you shoot out of 50 lbs bow?
Dave
A great example of how much time it takes to tune. People that are shooting through paper at 7 feet and calling it good are mistaken
Nice video! Also guys, keep in mind there’s always the factor of human error. I know the goal is to make them hit exactly the same every time you shoot but it’s difficult to do that constantly without having some flyers right.
I’d say start fresh (rest) after doing this excersice for a long time and then try again, then when you think you got it right, rest again and try it the next day to see if your first two shots (arrows) are touching, this is when I’d call it good.
I think he needs to cut that girly thumbnail down and get it ruffed lol jk you do you Tim
I thought you were running the dialed arxos? Why did you switch
So upon doing my broadhead tuning I’ve got 4 arrows that shoot within 2/3in of my field point. 2 others with the broadhead do not group AT ALL. Rip tko , same fletching everything.
Try nock tuning, just turn it n shoot it, repeat til it gets better. If doesn't get better, might be inserts, or arrow could just be👎
Great job man. You're shooting was fine, you are only human. Keep up the great work.
Thanks dude
@@TimConnor13 no problem man anytime.
The best. If you are a hunter this is the only tuning process you need. Thanks
Josh looks like you have a sweet shop, would love to check out if im ever in the area!!
Don’t tell me what to do TIM! I won’t skip it but dang man… 😂
Lol I feel you bro
dont you usually move your pins to adjust for the shot why would you move your loop or rest ?
Isn't the shot factored in? He's not a machine. He's guaranteed to not hit the same spot.
Tell Mfjj to shorten that draw length up a good half inch..
Lol….The range with all the stock in the way is killing me! 😲😆
I'm not sure if you're aware but you have a buffalo in your armpit.
I totally need some on course golf Vlogs!!
Thank you very much for the info! I am just starting the broadhead tuning process and this will help tremendously.
Awesome!!
Can you please tell me where that archery shop is
Tim needs to bring string to face not face to string.
Everybody says move rest to fieldtip,you say opposite
Man that shop is amazing. I wish it was my local.
Bro. I never heard that nugget. Thank you 😭😭
2:44 you can hit the spot but is the arrow hitting plum.
Whatever happened to you running ? Lol
This is a great video and thanks for doing it! I've finally got my brodheads hitting with field points but it's been a frustrating journey to get there. I think this will help lots of folks like me that like to Woonsocket our own stuff!
Glad it helped my dude
Saved your video so I can reference in future I thought y’all explained so good at whiteboard. Appreciate it
Glad it was helpful!
No lie I just had to reference the video today and I fixed my broadheads being 4 inches right because of y’all’s whiteboard explanation! Thanks again! I’m only 4 months into compound archery so it was my first time shooting any broadhead.
I just got new broadheads and will be tuning my bow this week. Thanks for the refresher.
Rad!
Tim, I do this all the time too.. you definitely weren't even shooting crappy, maybe one was on the outer edge of the dot!!! Don't hold yourself to such high standards because its not possible to be PERFECT!
Good luck on your first hunts!!
Cool! Next time, try to shoot the bareshaft from 20m instead of broadhead, you will set it up even more accurately.Even better with 30m if you can.(Paige Pierce shoots a bareshaft from 60 yards by the way)
Always shoot for a perfect clean hole boys😊
I also start everyday with two Celsius😅
Good shooting Tim!
Great video Tim and MFJJ
I need to start getting my bow broad head tuned. I am however really happy i bought that big high roller target today. looks like it can take a beating.
4 fletch is the answer…just saying
Your bow doesn't like those broadheads when you have to do that much. Find what your bow likes.
Tim, why not a thumb release?
In the All Broadhead Tuning Questions video by Elkshape last year, MFJJ said if the broadhead hits left, move the rest right; the opposite of this video. Did what he said in this video and my BH and FP touch. But it makes my paper tune off. Can't have both a great paper tune and BH tune on my bow for some reason...probably just me. So I'm prioritizing the BH tune over the paper. Hopefully that pans out
I will have my airline tickets ready when you reach 100k! 👊
Can't wait!
I live in Washington i love your videos and elk shape keep up the good work!
Clean design and a sharp tip which is crucial. Many mechanicals don't have a sharp tip. Like Rage NC.
They need to be hand shapered.
That's what I do, and the blades.
"STAY SHARP JIG"
Can one really shoot too many broadhead arrows? NOT REALLY! It’s a great thing to keep confidence in your setup.
One must consider the abilities of the archer when broadhead tuning. You can’t just pick the one time someone hits the same hole and make your adjustment based on that one instance. For 90%+ archers, being within an inch of one another would be close enough as they’re likely not consistently capable of a group much smaller than that.
When your shooting at 20, were you aiming at the left and right white dots? Then at 30, were you aiming at center?
Pretty good for being on camera.
Zzzzz... Make a short story long
Maybe a dumb question but why not just do this at like 40 yards where the gap would be very noticeable and exaggerated?
Not a dumb question at all. I agree with you - 1-2 inches here or there at 20 yards is so hard to tell if it’s the shooter or the tune. No offense to Tim, he seems to be a great shooter but I personally feel that only Levi Morgan or a shooter of the like would be able to tell if their broadhead tune is off due to a 1-2 inch discrepancy at 20 yards. Here’s what I do - I make sure my sight tape is on at 20-50 with field points. Then I proceed to testing each of my 6 arrows in my quiver with a broadhead on them. If they all plane R (for example) relative to field point impact, then I know I need to move my rest and it’s not just a one off arrow that is planing. Can’t base your tune off of one arrow because some arrows just don’t like to behave. If you get most arrows flying true with broadheads and one or two is planing, turn the nock and see if it clean it up - it often will and now you have every arrow in your quiver broadhead ready
Failed to mention - I normally like to test each arrow at 40 or 50 because that way I can very clearly tell if it’s me or my tune because tune errors are very obvious at 40+
Can you do Broadhead tuning video on a grim reaper expandable Whitetail specials?
Same process
@@TimConnor13 thank you
man I feel the frustration... its a journey bro just stick with it!!
That works pretty good thanks for the video the only problem is I didn't glue my insert good enough so I lost my expensive broadhead hard lesson learned😂😂😂
I’ve learned over the years that it is better to work on this more than ONE shooting session. We all have better days than others so a few different day sessions will usually give you a better feedback. That’s obvious. And people don’t shoot their broad head’s enough for whatever reason. Buy more than one pack and shoot them. Things change and it’s vitally important to know that throughout the season your arrows are hitting BEHIND THE PIN!
Sweet vid! Helped me a lot! Curious, when you feel good about field and BH placement, and call it good, do you assume then that the rest location is correct for all BH's of the same type and sight there after?!
Can y'alls please do a video on grip, grip pressure, what 'adverse heel pressure' is, etc.? I'm struggling with tail left tears and feel it's my grip but I can't figure it out.
Keep up the good work not easy for anybody like us been struggling for cupples days with that fuc****** broadhead tuning and deal with wind
Now go back and paper test after broadhead tuning.(it should be out of tune again) So in fact paper testing in general is useless. Shoot a bare shaft to get the correct spine sighting in the bow left/right and up/down walk back tuning. Now going strait to broadhead tuning.
I like watching the whole process cuz I’ve been frustrated chasing my tail with my own tuning stuff. Thx Tim
I was struggling getting my bow tuned. This video 100% helped me get it where I needed to be. You guys are awesome
Great job on the video. It’s videos like this that has helped me build my setups and get incrementally better at it. Saved the video because I know I’ll have to come back to it again. Now if I could just kill a buck with a bow, that’d be great.
Listen, Tim, this Josh golfing idea is the best content idea you've had! You absolutely must do a driving range swing workshop for him or a series of lessons... It'd be hilarious and really good for people getting into golf!
Take MFJJ to the putting green and show him what "little movements" mean from 8ft. lol!
Need to shoot farther distance
Not gonna lie, I’ll take advantage of your code on Josh’s store as long as it’s available. Used it on my Bushnell Broadhead rangefinder a couple week’s ago. The price after the code was untouchable by any other shop or internet store