The HORRIBLE truth about Chris Chan you're not hearing
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- Опубліковано 27 лип 2024
- Chris Chan would always be the villain of their own story, but they should have been the only one...
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Christine Weston "Chris" Chandler (born: February 24, 1982 [age 40]), better known online as CwcvilleGuardian or Chris Chan, is an American UA-camr, vlogger, artist, musician, and cult leader known for creating the web comic series called Sonichu.
Chris originally identified as male, but came out as a transgender woman in 2016, and changed her name to Christine. Chris' internet career began in 1999 with the uploading of Sonichu comics to a personal website. She created her first UA-cam channel in 2007, which was around the time she became an infamous trolling target due to her comics and personal life. Christine has been noted as one of the first internet lolcows and one of the "most documented people online" because of her behavior both on and offline.
On March 17, 2000, Chris created the comic series Sonichu in a graphic design class; she wanted to use the characters Sonic and Pikachu on a CD cover, which wasn't allowed for legal reasons, so she combined features from Sonic and Pikachu to create a brand new character.[8] The first Sonichu comic was released on March 24, 2005.[9] She also created a virtual band called "Christian and the Hedgehog Boys", which featured characters from the Sonichu series as band members. 2 albums called Christian & the Hedgehog Boys and Christian & the Hedgehog Boys COMEBACK! were released in 2003 and 2009 respectively. The music was made by singing over pre-existing pop songs and changing some of the lyrics.[10]
Chris first gained the attention of several websites including 4Chan and Something Awful. Eventually in 2007, Encyclopedia Dramatica would make a page mocking Chris, and she would begin to leak private information about herself on Encyclopedia Dramatica, ruining her relationship with a friend in the process. This would grab the attention of trolls and fake girlfriends, which included Clyde Cash, CChanSonichuCWC, Ivy O'Neil, and Marvin. Chris has been ridiculed online for her art, views on women and homophobia, laziness, delusions, and narcissism, among other things. While there have been trolls who have attempted to help Chris change her life, some have negatively affected her mental health and well-being, such as BlueSpike, The Idea Guys, and Isabella Janke. Many people would become fascinated with Chris and begin documenting her videos and messages onto a fan-created website called the CWCki.
PART 2: ua-cam.com/video/ism4rm7vHzg/v-deo.html
I disagree with you on early Chris being harmless. He had a rap sheet before the internet heard about him. He was always dangerous, always self-aggrandizing, always violent, always delusional, and always depraved.
He regularly SAd Megan, and again, this was before the trolls ever started in on him. He also ran over Mike from TGP, too. So your thesis doesn't make much sense. He'd have turned out a mess no matter what. That's not to excuse the trolls, they're absolutely wretched, but Chris is not a monster because of them. He always was one.
I dunno. You go to great lengths to say how Chris did terrible things, and to a large extent you are alluding to his racist and homophobic remarks. The end you say "such views should be corrected" but, you should have said - tolerated. To say corrected you are standing on a slippery slope. The trolls can argue they bullied him to right a wrong.
I did not get through the entire doco, but Chris from what I observed never expressed that he was not willing to share the world with people of different sexuality, or race as him. He merely took offence to being labeled homosexual. This was clearly his autism. For the trolls, this was their in, and excuse to bully him. If you cant see that, you need your head examined. The trolls are even vile racists and homophobes, who mask their unremorseful bullying of a person on the spectrum in a disguise of social justice vigilantism; to somehow legitimize it.
Chris was also known to have expressed that he wanted a white girlfriend. Truth is, in my younger years I probably said the same thing to myself and to my closest friends. We all come from a little bubble world, where hopefully we travel, meet people, and expand our horizons. Chris unfortunately due to his disability, and economic situation, was NEVER going to experience life as most people can/will.
You should have also gone further. Its not just the trolls, do not forget it was the community who fueled the flames and egged the trolls on, and so they need to also take some blame. So many comments blame the parents, but I cant see this playing out the way it did without the bullies tearing him down, and the community of fake fans who helped build on his delusion of grandeur.
PS. You blame Chris' parents because of the clutter. Perhaps you need to visit elderly people who are living by themselves with no support. Some can maintain very tidy homes, but a lot will hoard and have cluttered homes. I think that point was a huge stretch, and reaching for any point that seems original or new.
I aint reading that. How about you make a short summary?
You talk about his autism and then say things like he should of grown out of drawing comics and living in their imaginary world, calling him a monster. You go from knowing he would have been better off in special schools to talking about him like he's a someone who doesn't have severe mental impairments. I get your doing the best you can but open your fucking heart. This is the psychological torture of a autistic man and then when it comes to things he does you Judge them like he's not autistic. Maybe your child will have autism and get mercilessly made fun of for it then called a monster by half a million suffering souls who can't find peace in on this funky rock.
the saddest part of this is that after Bob passed away, Chris only had the trolls to talk it through with
if he wasn't a total creep to megan he would've had someone to talk to. that girl seems like the only legit friend he had
@@flapjackpancake5486 Not seemed, she *was*.
Even bob seemed to be eager to talk to some of them (emily).
Cant blame him tho he probably had no one else than chris and barb
Though the trolls themselves would never admit it (though maybe some of them would), THEY were his friends.
They were just extremely manipulative, terrible friends. But the people you spend weeks or months or years talking to and interacting with are your friends. So when Bob died, of course Chris talked to a troll. Besides his family, they were the most important people in his life.
@@hecklejack7726 there was also another girl he made genuine friends with after megan known as the "wallflower". Sadly he made the mistake of showing her real name in a video, exposing her to the trolls to doxx, and so she cut ties with him
I've always said this: There's no heroes in the story of Chris-Chan. There's only victims and villains. And sometimes those two categories overlap.
Even Chris and his mom are both victims and villains at the same time.
The closest things to heroes where Megan and maybe bob
@@just_some_greek_dude megan doesnt really save anyone, all she did was stay out of Chris life once she realized how twisted he actually is. Bob treated Chris like his grandchild, spoiling him rotten and didn't get him some help. However, Chris might be Bob's best parenting attempt judging from the fact that his other children never came back for him
@@just_some_greek_dude I wouldn't say Bob was as bad as Barb, but he still just sat there and let it all happen.
Not true. We have one hero in the form of Michael Snyder. Sure, you could argue he was a victim since he was hit by Chris’ car, but he stood his ground when Chris tried to weasel his way back to the Game Place
The BlueSpike thing is creepy to me because he had actual adults encouraging him to do this. Like, there were grown men and women telling a literal child to put himself in sexual situations with a mentally disabled adult because they thought it'd be funny.
BlueSpike was just foreshadowing far worse things later down the line, particularly the Idea Guys and Bella.
At some point they even told bluespike to stop. But I do agree that it is fucked up
@KrookedCarter so they were just stupid edgy teenagers
apparently some of the people that took part in the lesser but still pretty bad things done to him came forward that they do have remorse and that a lot of them were young and edgy for the sake of being edgy and do actually regret it, I heard that BlueSpike was 14 and deeply regrets it now but that might be false info idk I might be getting names confused there were a lot of them..
"...because they think it'd be funny." Literally sums up everything wrong with modern internet.
I went to primary school with a similar kid to childhood Chris. He got bullied relentlessly and no one was held accountable ever. Now 20 years later I hear him when he’s riding his bike through our neighborhood and he has very loud and painful sounding vocal tics. He always had some vocal tics but now he’s screaming and people are scared of him or picking fights with him. I feel awful for him. His parents made him go to a school that violently rejected him when it should have been giving him safety
I feel like this got even worse with the “quiet kid” and “school shooter” memes. Like it almost rationalized bullying for the average kid in school.
dark humor
“He always had vocal ticks but now he’s screaming” is a genuinely heart breaking read.
Some parents cannot afford the special care Autism needs, or they are convinced they can be "normal" kids. Not realizing just how brutal kids can be to each other, let alone when they realize they are easy targets due to their condition.
@@ricsim78 Yeah, I was diagnosed autistic myself when I was a little older but I still got treated really badly for being different. The boy I’m talking about isn’t autistic, but he got treated even worse than me
It's truly tragic, that if history had just been a little bit different, Chris could have lived a healthy life.
I think "healthy life" is probably exaggeratory, chances are if people didn't obsess over Chris they would've still lived a rather mediocre life but they probably wouldn't have done as crazy shit as we saw. They'd just be your standard internet dumbass but nothing more.
With his parents, he was sadly doomed from the start.
@@mellowyello1478 Yea, it's clear her parents enabled her bad behavior to go on. I will agree she would live a *better* life had she not been targeted on the internet but he was raised to be an entitled narcissist by entitled narcissists, she was never going to stop becoming one unless she got genuine psychological help.
Honestly: I disagree. Look at his childhood. His family raised him in the physically worst way possible. The worst combination of coddling and abuse you could ever get, awful teachers treating him horribly, all leading up to someone who thought he was the center of the universe. Could he have overcame this? Absolutely. This is no excuse for anything he did, nor is it to minimize what the internet did to him. But Chris was already on rocky ground when the internet found Sonichu.
I don't think so. They were already excessively creepy with Megan at the beginning etc. They already had tons of mental issues, that should have been taken care of.
I think that with or without the troll, they would have ended in prison...
I studied the question a lot. And even without any troll involvement, there was already some creepy hints about them and their mother... So
Eh...
Don't get me wrong, the troll didn't help at all, and we're literally obsessed creeps.
But I think Chris was doomed from the start. So the footages of them as a kid are always sad to watch...
Chris Chan is proof that the internet is an unforgiving place.
I personally view it as a borderline lovecraftian hellscape because of the fact that the behaviors that show up in cyberspace quite often spit in the face of everything holy, and gives a middle finger to logic while mooning reason. If you think that description makes no sense then good that’s the point because the internet was supposed to usher man into a new golden age with all the knowledge of humanity at its fingertips but it developed into a horrifying mess that’s hard for people to actually comprehend in its entirety.
NO! He's proof that with out proper parenting, special needs programs and education you get something like Chris Chan. If he would have been prepared and toughened up; he could have ignore and handle his school bullies and internet trolls, at the very least not make himself a easy target.
And he's also an example for why incest is something you should never do.
why? was someone saying the internet is forgiving?
congratulations on the proof, i guess.
@JohnBalnisbetter watch what you say, you’re gonna get tons of replies saying how you are wrong
The life of Chris Chan feels like a tragedy where almost every single character is unlikable.
“Character”
Bro this is real-life.
@@billnye7625 Did you not even read my comment all the way through? Do you not know what a simile is?
@@billnye7625to be fair, there’s literally someone who’s only referred to as “the man in the pickle suit”
@pallidhand9756 okay?
It's Scott pilgrim meets Junji Ito
Chris chan's life = a real life episode of black mirror
American horror story
It makes black mirror look pretty tame.
Black Mirror is too superficial and lame even without the comparison.
More like La Rosa de Guadalupe.
A family guy cutoff joke thats not funny and just cruel.
I really wished you discussed at how manipulative Barbara was to the family during the early years but maybe that could be for another discussion, cause she was just as guilty as Bob in terms of they raised Chris, aside from negligence.
Like the time they turned down a proposed dinner she was gonna make one night so she swore never to cook for the family again - a promise she actually genuinely kept?
As well as her constant threats of suicide?
@@reloadpsi yup! Those examples for sure
Barb was mainly responsible for the monster she created (Bob was only slightly better)
There was that one time where Chris wanted to go to a convention for the weekend, and Barbara literally threatened to kill herself if he did.
The way she treated Cole, Chris' older half-brother, was pretty terrible, to the point that he didn't want anything to do with her ever. When he was a kid, she fired a gun at a non-existent home intruder, almost hitting Cole in the head. And after it came to light that the person who Cole thought was his father wasn't, she refused, maybe even to this day, to tell him who his actual father is.
Fun fact: Liquid Chris is now a cancer research doctor, and his real name actually is Chris. (And I'm pretty sure him and Casey got divorced)
Well...it's a respectable career path, I'll say that much. He's certainly more redeemable than others in here.
@@ChannelPup iirc the reason him and Casey got divorced because they felt remorse for what they did to Chris (don't quote me on the however)
Nothing fun about that, a great injustice I think that he got such a esteemed profession after what he did. He shouldn’t have even been accepted into medical school. He knowingly exploited a mentally ill person which doctors deem as a reprehensible thing to do.
@@ChannelPup its easy to redeem yourself when you did what he did. All the other chris trolls did stuff like convince him to rape his mom or egg him on into mailing them his posessions meanwhile all Liquid did was relatively harmless and he showed remorse for it
karma got him good for trolling someone
Chris Chan. Born too soon to get the help that was sorely needed. Born too late to avoid the internet altogether. Born just in time to become a cautionary tale
If he was born long ago he would’ve been isolated due to his mental illness, I don’t think that would’ve helped him. His elder parents should’ve gotten his ass off of the internet
The web, internet or whatever, will now always be available through human civilisation as long as we have electricity and access to it.
A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die.
Almost like he's an individual that was sent to hell reincarnated as chris, it seems too perfect a miserable life to not be universal karma
Seems inescapable, the trolls being the demons, Internet being hell, UA-cam being the devil etc.
Cannot help a person who doesn’t want help / inc his parents .
He should have been in special school ! He wouldn’t have lasted in my high school ,it would’ve been hell
His parents acted on appearance , not what Chris required . No Psychologist visits regularly , proper medication etc
“There were numerous occasions where Chris did bad things and was chastised for them, and he ended up thinking that this was happening not because he had done something wrong, but because people were being mean to him because he was autistic. And his parents would encourage this viewpoint throughout his life whenever he got into trouble.”
-Zephyr the 7th
Chris Chan is a story with no good guys. Except for Megan, she didn't do anything wrong.
Edit: Snyder too, he was just a store owner acting completely in his rights.
And it’s a good thing she hasn’t been bothered ever since she dropped from the story. She needs the peace from this macabre display.
And Michael Snyder (tho I think he did more harm than good when he didn't press charges after Chris tried to run him over)
What about Snyder? Dude just wanted Chris out of his store and Chris kept ignoring him
@@Klonoahedgehog He's listing Snyder as somebody who did nothing wrong.
@@reloadpsi that was a edit
Chris chan is one of the many examples, like Etika and that one discord kid that commited suicide, that the United States and the internet does NOT care about mental health.
EDIT:
I mentioned Etika and chris chan in terms of mental health, not in terms of whose evil.
Im not trying to dehumanize either of them.
For the discord kid, i think he posted an image showing him about to jump off a building and said "bye" , and his friends (or server members) told him to jump or do it.
I forgot what it was but it proves how mental health gets brutally ignored. Its sickening.
Chris' upbringing by his worthless parents and also local law always giving him a slap on the wrist is what caused him to fail. The trolls did their part, but a lot of Chris' actions are his own.
@@Brabbs thats the thing.
most people assume it's a joke. and this is the price paid. it's why i ALWAYS take suicide threats deathly seriously. i legit dont wish it on anyone, even my worst enemies.
mental health needs to be taken more seriously. people need to stop using it as a joke. we need to stop shaming people who admit they need help, and we need to encourage people who need help, to SAY they need help.
id have stopped him. i'd have asked "are you joking or being serious." he probably wouldve said he was being serious. at which point i'd tell everyone to knock it off and i'd try to comfort them. hell, i can BE that friend they desperately needed. cases like this happen all the time, and it truely speaks to the apathy people have when under the cover of anonymity. it's like being drunk, all inhibbitors are just... gone.
@@berniekatzroy This. Chris was born in the South in a Conservative town in the 80s/90s where a lot of teenage films that Chris would've looked up to were about boys wanting to lose their innocence (the American Pie effect). Born into parents where they're too old and outcast by other family members for good reason. Then being exposed to early-late 00s Internet where it was a minefield. Regardless of being exposed to trolls, Chris was born at the worst possible time at the worst place. Chris was sadly never going to turn out alright.
@@englishgiraffe2124no, no matter where or what you’re environment is it’s you the person who makes all the choices in your life that really takes it where it goes I don’t need the internet or the government to “take care” of my mental health because no matter the environment no matter it’s circumstances there is always one common denominator and that’s the person in those circumstances it’s a choice.
Chris Chan’s mother wanted to shield him from the world give him whatever he wanted she wanted him to be happy but for Chris’s father
He kept it real with Chris, but Chris never liked what his father did
Chris has this idea of what love was but his idea of it was on his terms he saw his mother giving him all he asked for was his idea of what love was, instead of his father trying to prep him for the world
Chris Chan was not the result of the internet nor his environment he was the result of his own thinking
I'm autistic too and the trolling I got from school is nothing compared to what made Chris today.
Don't worry, if you punched one of the trolls i completley understand, those heartless apathetic teenager trolls deserved it
womp womp
I’m convinced the schizophrenic state Chris has fallen into is from the trolling. They strategically stroked his ego to manipulate him, constantly harassed him both online and in public, fed him numerous strange ideologies using his gullibility, and ultimately documented everything they could on him. It’s no wonder he’s got delusions of grandeur, severe paranoia, magical thinking, and feels everyone knows everything about him and that he’s a goddess.
Sure, the dimensional merge was always a troll idea and they tricked him into thinking it was his own.
I feel like the Idea Guys, particularly, did a lot of damage. Chris was actually starting to settle into a somewhat normal routine before they got involved. They didn't readily respond to new trolls, they were actually seeking professional help with gender transition and would have likely been put in touch with a psychiatric professional soon, and there was even a good chance that they could have profited from their Internet "fame". On top of that, a real woman got...actually kinda obsessed with Chris not long after. It's hard to say if that would have gone anywhere, but it's clear that Chris had genuine supporters for the first time in their miserable life.
Then, Wise got in touch with Chris, and things fell completely apart again. Jokes that they couldn't possibly have come up with started to appear in Sonichu, and it became clear that they were beginning to believe bizarre and harmful things. Chris-chan always had a loose grip on reality, but it completely broke once Wise, Boyd, and their unknown co-conspirators (there was one from Canada, and another totally unknown who named theirself for a high-ranking SS official) got in touch with them.
Like this video points out, I doubt that Chris would have ever committed incest without believing they'd been told that it was okay by Jesus. Chris spent a significant portion of their time incarcerated in a mental institution, and I don't really know how people totally ignore that. Chris-chan was never going to lead a normal life, but I honestly believe that they could have been happy and relatively healthy if Wise and Boyd hadn't gotten involved. The two badly needed to suffer actual consequences for their actions.
I agree with most of your guys thoughts but I’m not so sure Chris slept with barb solely because Jesus gave him the ok. For years in numerous videos Chris has made super strange and sexual comments about his mother, and she herself reciprocated the strange relationship with her own weird closeness and interactions with Chris. I think it’s more likely that Jesus giving chris the green light was more of an excuse for Chris to finally do something he’d wanted to do for years than the sole event that planted the idea in his head to sleep with his mom and made him do it
Slight correction 19:27 -Chris humped his sex doll, but the trolls were able to take a screen shot (because Chris sent the video to them), turned it into a postcard and mailed it to Bob; 2. The computer in which Chris used the internet was their hoarded kitchen (because where else would they put it?). Chris was yanking it during chat, and that's when the trolls were calling Bob about the suicide. Those are two separate instances.
Yeah, and to be totally fair to Bob... He immediately tried to take their internet access away. That's how he became the internet lumberjack. I think they got online using their PSP right after.
@@torakokoneko Yes. Bob took Chris' PSEye (a PS2 camera), and that punishment didn't last as Chris still communicated with the trolls with his PSP. Stellar parenting.
@@icchampion5 to be fair, the parents were totally ignorant of the internet, too. Had they known of Chris's UA-cam channel, they probably would have made sure to shut it down with them watching Chris do it (though Chris would probably just have made another channel and they cycle would have started all over again).
@icchampion5 the inevitable result of being a parent in your retirement age
@@torakokonekothey? You men chris. He is. HE. He put his bent pokéflute into HIS mother.
Little comment about Bluespike: he did come out of the woodwork a few years back and admitted that he deeply regretted the stuff he did with the Julie saga, if I remember correctly he even talked about going into therapy because of the guilt he felt.
Does not justify what he did, nor does the fact that he was a kid at the time, but there is atleast some growth in a positive direction.
People have come out and said it was just someone claiming to be bluespike, it wasn’t actually him.
@@Julian-4 I haven't heard that, but I do not discount the possibility.
I cannot believe that was really the same person. If it was maybe he was simply trolling again. Someone with that degree of sadism, at such a young age, doesn't have the capacity to care about being a bad person.
@@lucydayLucida It should be noted that as a 14 year old kid in the worst part of the internet, Bluespike would have been more or less egged on too by the action of his online peers.
The truth of Chris-Chan that people don’t like to hear is that many people were egging him on behind the scene, whether to chase internet sweethearts or to react to Clyde Cash. Remember, being outwardly angry takes effort, and Chris hates effort.
You and I are more susceptible to being assholes when the people around us are, especially as adolescents. This doesn’t excuse what Bluespike did, but painting people as this black and white is dangerous. Anyone who thinks they are morally infallible are often the people capable of doing the most harm.
You probably had some cringy moments in your life too, and honestly? Maybe Bluespike is autistic too.
@@PeripheralVisionary even other trolls at that time admitted he took things to far.
This story makes me thankful my family moved to a small town that really took care of autistic and disabled kids and everyone was super nice to my brother and one time he got shoved into a locker and my friend confronted him and scared him so bad no one ever messed with my brother not that many did but I am so thankfully my brother had so many supports. Now that he’s older though and constantly on the internet I get scared and worried and what could be going on. I wish people weren’t so terrible to people who have disabilities and are autistic.
Da Roach Dogg has spoken.
Man, you’re gonna hate this villain I had created and probably gonna like the hero because your friend who stood up for your brother sounded like my hero.
Honestly, the trolls are lucky Chris isn't competent enough to press charges on some of them, because there's probably a strong case for suing many of these trolls for emotional damage depending on where they live, as well as possibly getting them into serious trouble for fraudulent crimes, such as when Chris was coaxed into sending money or other valuable items, and heck even catfishing someone can get you into legal trouble. I feel like the blatant crimes of the trolls aren't talked about enough.
Right? It isn’t «just» cruel what they’ve done, it is also illegal in many cases. Chris rightfully had to face the law on several occasions, so should the trolls. Chris was (sexually) harassed, threatened, and scammed. I don’t care if Chris did the same, two wrongs don’t make a right. Where is the bare minimum of accountability.
Not to mention he met with sone of these people, and there was countless information about them online.. they were completely public and liable for targeting by law.
Someone honestly should do a video on each of the trolls, the crimes they committed, and the punishments for said crimes.
@@toonrex2806That's a video I Lowkey wanna do but I dunno if I have the energy to research awful people
Fooling someone into a trans-state transaction is the type of crime the FBI are called in to handle.
Part of what makes Chris so interesting is how many people see a little of themselves in him. They hear about what Chris' life was like prior to the trolls. They hear about how little of his family wanted anything to do with him. They learn he could have got help but Barb talked Bob out of letting him get what he needed. They hear about how fleeting his "friends" were. People learn about him and think about how differently Chris could have potentially turned out, how similar one's own self could have turned out to Chris.
There's a little bit of Chris in all of us.
Lmao
An everyman
Ultimately I am grateful every day that I was never encountered by a BlueSpike as a vulnerable 13 year old
Would you have chosen fire or the butt?
I was 5 when it happened so it'd be kinda hard lol
The BlueSpikes of this world will get whats coming to them.
The bluespikes of this world are gonna get a fucking pipe bomb at their house one day.
@@Fastestguninthewest594 I vehemently disagree with this sentiment. I do not condone terror*sm in any shape or form. I do not know this person and their words/actions are their own. I have always been a law abiding citizen and have no desire to commit any crime.
I really wonder how Bluespikes parents would have reacted after listening to that recording of him laughing like a lunatic after telling Chris to burn his own house down and kill himself. I wonder if they ever found out.
God I hope so he can get the talking to of a lifetime.
@@opalander if he were my child, I would
1. Seriously rethink my entire life why my kid became like that
2. Restrict all internet access, take away his phone and give him a flip phone that can only call home and police, make sure he can't get on at school or friends house either
3. Threaten him with military school if he ever did use the internet again
4. Psychiatric counseling every week for him until further notice
@@GatesOfAvalon1 military camp or even turn him in to the cops.
Luckily for Bluespike they not only never found out but he greatly reformed as a person. Hes like 20 something now and desperately wants to put his past behind him, and he deserves to.
@@fawkewe no he dosent, he will never deserve that until the faces up to his crimes.
Even if you dont like Chris, the bluespike thing was sick. Even the other trolls ask him to stop, he legit need to do jail time.
I kinda like his pfp tho
nah bluespike was funny af
@@weltschmerz333ok incel
@@weltschmerz333incel
Every Day you live I hope is bad @@weltschmerz333
There’s a saying that there are no heroes in Chris Chan’s story, only villains. I wouldn’t call Michael Snyder, Mary Lee Walsh or Megan villains, but the rest of the CWC extended universe and trolls are all lolcows in their own right. I wonder if Blue Spike, the Idea Guys etc were also abusing animals and doing other heinous acts similar to what Isabella Janke did, but we just never found out about it. I’d hate to find out how Blue Spike and Josh “Idea Guy” Wise treated people irl.
Blue Spike and Idea Guys harm Chris in a Physical and Mental way
While I do agree with you that there are no villains in the CWC story
One stood out to me was Alec Benson Leary and the Asperpedia Saga
Alec trolling scheme is unlike any other troll. Alec was very calm and patient with Chris by explaining how the legality and the real world works and that Sonichu will not be a Successful franchise. Alec was basically the ideal father that scolds Chris like a 10 year.
Blue spike admited to regretting his past actions towards Chris. It wasnt a big deal because he was an edgy teenager looking for kicks. Its the same with every troll who wants to feel better about themselves. But in the end, the story is chonicled
I don’t see Null as a villain also. He's no hero, but the financial management he tried to provide was very much needed. After the idea guys, Chris got to a point where he could lose his house. Null at least prevented Chris from being scammed by trolls again, didn’t feed the whole "characters are real" delusion and tried to make plans for the following years, considering Chris' future after Barb's death. Chris' situation could have been way worse if he had lost the house.
@@NintendoDude360 Doesn't matter that he regrets it. I agree with Channel when he says there's a special place in Hell for him. He deserves to rot for emotionally abusing someone like that.
@@NintendoDude360 youd be surprised. some trolls are full on grown adults. its sad.
One thing not mentioned in this video is that Chris's parents were old by the time he was born, so they didn't understand the damage being inflicted on Chris by his unsupervised use of the internet. They really should've gotten rid of his internet use. Chris also should've been medicated since childhood to help him focus and live a somewhat normal life
Chris's parents should have put Chris into a special school, but they didn't. Because they were afraid that Chris would be institutionalised and they had an idea of what being institutionalised would have been like.
Can I say how ironic it is how the trolls claim it's okay to troll Chris because "he's a racist and a homophobe" when the trolls aren't any better either?
There was one time when a troll impersonated a black man while voice calling with Chris, and he talked like a caricature of what black people sound like in cartoons; and in other instances they forced Chris to say slurs on camera as well as force him to admit he was homosexual even when he wasn't at the time, Chris of course tried to get around them on various occasions by mispronouncing the words they wanna hear but the trolls would force him to redo the video with the actual slur or false confession in place.
Alec Benson Leary genuinely tried helping Chris tho
Yeah and honestly, isn't trolling someone using straw men of black men just gonna make them more racist?
What always baffled me is people telling them to get a job but never realize that the trolls would most definitely take it away easily
You know what, you make a strong point.
Every time Chris move on to a new "sweetheart" the first thing Trolls did was showing them the ED page or other sick documented stuff Chris did.
What are the chances they wouldn't do this to Chris's boss or something?
Most of the trolls bashing him for not having a job probably didn't have jobs either. I mean I am not surprised how hypocritical people can be these days towards Chris when it comes to the internet. I just really think we focus way more on this dudes flaws instead of our own flaws.
There's a lot to unpack when it comes to Chris-Chan. As you say, a Chris-Chan isn't born, they're created. You mentioned their hoarder home environment, their parents, there are dents in the walls from punches, and the parents clearly knew there was an issue as they didn't want Social Services to be notified. The trolls are absolutely responsible for egging Chris-Chan on and making their behaviours worsen. I agree that there should never be another Chris-Chan.
As an autistic person, hearing Chris-Chan's diagnosis makes the whole saga that tad more uncomfortable for me. The general public already have a largely dramatised, extreme, stigmatised view of autism - partially due to the media pushing extremes because hey, moderates don't sell papers or get views. Chris-Chan certainly doesn't help matters in that regard.
I'd argue that Chris Chan is the perfect blend of nature vs nurture, his gullibility, naivete and mental handicaps were all exacerbated by his piss poor upbringing and squalid living conditions which resulted in an individual who never mentally developed into adulthood being given unrestricted access to the internet at a time when there were little to no safety measures in place in online spaces to protect people like Chris.
I honestly believe that had Bob and known about the scale of the internet itself and the trolling campaigns that were targeting their son (both parents believed that it was a localized to Ruckersville and was centered in or coordinated by teenagers at the Game Place) that they would have cut off internet access pretty early into Christory.
Here’s the thing… He’s a narcissist. He was never not going to go down this road. One way was documented the other isn’t and an arrest report
@@charlesman8722 he never said he was a 'good' person. He was quite bigoted in his attitude and personality indeed. However, without the Internet he would've still been drawing his comics and continuing his love quest.
But, the Internet was the catalyst to speed up and strengthen his delusions to a horrific extent. He was extorted, manipulated and broken into an insane state. He was already in a bad household caked in litter and more. With a family that pushed their bigoted beliefs onto their child.
@@mikeabagofbeansroch5405he also grew up in a conservative household
the sad thing is chris' parent didn't get them the hekp they needed asa kid and didn't let them grow up
As an autistic individual I am greatful that I had and have a network of adults who had given me guidance in how to handle social cues and how to see if anyone is trying to trick me into doing things or something similar. Although I had been manipulated or tricked into things still, I could have easily been in a far worse mental state than I have now. After starting high school, things became much easier, like starting friendships and getting along with other neurodiversed people. Even though the parents or other adults are trying to teach people with autism about life, it is still a chance that they still need support in life as an adult when it comes to complicated things like when the trolls do like they did to this Chris Chan. It is still not always easy to read people's behavior in every way, unfortunately. I at least admit, it is not easy to rely on new individuals out there, trust can be an issue after learning that I had been manipulated or bullied in childhood. People tried to convinced me into think that I had not been going through those things when they talked about their experiences when they were bullied and so forth. They used my words against me many times, it's not fun to see how Chris were trolled to the point of breaking point.
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Blue Spike really needed to be looked into. There's so many questions I have for Blue Spike as a person and whoever was/is there parents.
Chris Chan is a story with no heroes or good guys, merely greater and lesser evils.
I do wanna point out that there was ONE thing that the Chris before the critical trolling eras did that I wouldn't pin on trolling that was not pointed out: Chris and Barb deliberatly running over a game store owner in a parking lot because Chris got banned for harassment. That was entirely a result of his own actions and his parents upbringing. Just wanted to point that out before going on to what I really wanna say.
Wanna focus on his folks for a bit cause I can't say anything about the trolls that Pup hasn't masterfully said in this video. Chris is an example of why mental help matters. Chris's parents, at least in my opinion, didn't seem to want Chris to go to a special school out of pride. Hard to believe they'd simply want him to learn to live in a normal school while also not looking for outside help. they didn't want to admit the fact they had a kid with a mental illness. They wanted to have a docile Chris free to spend funds rather than actually put the effort to teach him manners.
My message is the same as Pup towards the trolls: They deserve for their actions to haunt them forever because of the horrible things they did. But also this and I feel even people not like Chris need to hear:
*There's no shame in accepting mental help. It doesn't make you weak. it doesn't make you different. It doesn't make it that you're wrong of doing so. Even people with no mental handicaps, seeking help for one's mental state is not a failure of an individual. Thinking like this is what lead parents like the Chandlers to not give the help their kid needs and is the reason why people in the internet think is better to ridicule and abuse someone with a disability thanking them aid.*
They hit Michael Snyder with the car in 2011, several years after the trolling started.
@@torakokoneko Fair enough. Still, I wouldn't considered something of a direct result of troling since Barb was just as involved with it as Chris was.
In the USA, therapy is unaffordable and most insurance plans cover it in name only. Thousands of people would love to get help and don't have the option. That's why there are so many mentally ill people not getting treated.
Is it considered a mental illness?
It's worth noting his parents came from a time where "special schools" were beyond abusive, so there was very likely more than just pride there.
Don't get me wrong, I was raised by emotionally checked out hoarders myself and I know they weren't making good decision as parents, I just think that added context is relevant.
Well said Pup I know the internet is always gonna find its next puppet to manipulate for lols but the whole story is just sickening
The new one is cyraxx
@@poopyscoopy6984 MARTY DO YOU WANT ME TO FUCKING DIE?!
I wish it would be done to strictly legit horrible people who had definitly chances to know etter and refuse, which chris, never did.
I dont say domnt troll, but can you be vry sure that the person really is, like rowling i fine for example, she is rich, any ability and doubled on any tries, she is a fine. (if never threaten or say people should off themselves or that stuff)
@@marocat4749 there's Ethan Ralph
You fail to mention Chris would often sexually harass Megan. She was proven to have sent emails insisting that Chris needed to stop touching her.
I hope Megan is doing ok it's the only person in this f up story that was actually moral
Had Chris had some parents who were willing to tell him off for doing it then it may have stopped. But they didnt, Chris could have been working in a gamestop until they were in there 60's but instead they are in jail
@@just_some_greek_dude i think she Christ to buy her stuff she either history buff That like wwii stuff or neonazi
@@SpencerCJ eh, not really relevant to this conversation tho is it ?
@@drake9634 It 100% is
You know, your commentary around the trolling culture of Chris Chan, the way they humiliated, harassed and meddled in their affairs and how they're searching for the "next Chris Chan" it sort of reminded me of the Brittany Spears episode of South Park, in a way
I'm actually glad to see this take. No one ever talks about how these people exploited a vulnerable person for years- Not just for laughs, but scamming them out of hundreds and thousands of dollars all while feeding their delusions in the process.
Chris Chan is a Monster who is now behind bars, thankfully. But Chris Chan is a Monster that was fueled by the Internet.
I genuinely think all of this could have been avoided if either of his Parents just took away the Internet? Who knows. Their story is just the worst ending possible tbh
Hundreds of thousands of dollars?
It was six grand, and none of that had anything to do with the original trolls, that happened in 2017.
Hundreds of thousands, where the actual fark did you read that?
Nope Chris was destined to be a horrible person even before he became infamous on the internet he was a terrible person he kept trying to push his relationship with Megan who just wanted thing platonic. Dan Schneider of the Game Place tolerated Chris for a long time despite his homophobia and racism to black people along with hogging screen time. Heck Chris was initially banned from his community college do to be homophobic.
So even if Bob choose to Never pay for internet access he and Barb had still raised an incredibly horrible child who would have eventually done something fucked up and considering how Chris admitted that the comic she came for CWC was written to let out some urges he had for Megan because if he didn’t he might act out on these urges with Megan.
@@JoseSanchez-fk9dg he had five or six run ins with police well before any trolling took place. Chris Chan was and is a maggot.
@@falconmclenny7284 they said hundreds AND thousands, which isn't exactly grammatically correct, but it's not hundreds OF thousands
@@torakokoneko you don't need to run defence for bad engrish bro.
The fixation some people have on Chris Chan has always seemed deeply unhealthy to me; lolcow culture in general, really. You've put it really effectively here: people are just using whatever excuses they need ("It's just for a laugh!" or "This person actually deserves it!" or "I'm not responsible for what they do") in order to exercise ableism and cruelty. This will definitely open some eyes and hopefully help people on the internet be more reflective of their actions towards others, because there's really no excuse for this entire situation.
None of this should have happened, and it honestly sickens me that people STILL want to exploit this situation or situations like it for the sake of cheap humor
Speaking of, the lolcow community might be high-key ableist. Many of these cyberbully victims, just gonna call it what they really are, turn out to be mentally handicapped in some way, with cruel people trying to force a reaction out of them for views. It's disgusting.
There are some "people" that deserve it. Cyraxx being one of them.
Really reminds me that “Trashing, bullying and tormenting people you deem as scums of the Earth, fixes absolutely nothing” .
Chris is basically the internet’s Frankenstein
I wonder if in 10 years time, the Chris Chan Saga will be in Psychology and Sociology textbooks. Chris is a reprehensible human being, but even worse are those who turned them into such a monster. They needed help, but it was too little and far too late
Sonichu is gonna be a stain on the Sonic franchise for eons.
Not really. You don't relate it to anything Sonic when you think about it. Every time you think of it, you only think of Chris Chan.
The general audience doesn't really associate sonic with that, the negative stuff associated with sonic is stuff like sonic 06.
@@christosdoesthings or deviantart
This was beautiful. You spoke my thoughts into life. They abused Chris-chan.
I'm pretty sure Chris's perception of the world was warped by the things they experienced in life. That kind of stuff has huge potential to cause trauma, which I have no doubt contributed to Chris's declining mental health. Seriously, did they ever even get any decent psychiatric help?
The Chris that exists now is like an unethical science project. The trolls took a vulnerable person and thrust them into a fictional storyline. Think about that. A significant chunk of Chris's reality at that time was constructed by people online. People they thought were friends/girlfriends were really just laughing at them behind their back. Liquid Chris literally had Chris believing that an impersonator was stealing their life; if that wasn't bad enough, people preferred the impersonator over the actual person. How do people not see how fucked that is?
@@-cthulhu-3458 Or he could have found healthy ways to deal with stuff and becom a decent enough person that eventuually learns boundaries.
We willl never know, because that trolls did some o the most f-ed up abuse on the internet on them in a vinerable state and literally driving them insan by distorting any sense of reality.
Did you know that in the city for a time lovecraft actually got less cartoonish rassist and everything phobic because good influence, and h ha his own fed up backstory. He even joined th anarchist and social party. I think he got worse again, but when even lovecraft with good influence got better , you dont think a seemingly well meaning very disfuncionalautist person couldnt?!
How can they get any better when all the time people literally drive them insane. They cant. And gaslight the hell out off it too. I would not be shocked if they killed people to be honest with that backtory, Its a literal tragic supervillain backstory but evvn mor tragic.
@@-cthulhu-3458 Do you really think that? That people are just doomed to be who they are, and that there's nothing that anyone or anything could do to change that? Do you really think that a person's environment really has no effect on the person they become? That's a very sad belief, and it's also very wrong.
There's an entire field of scientific study about this stuff. People have been researching this for a long time. It's called psychology. We've known for a long time that a person's environment is a major factor in the kind of person they'll become, the kind of actions they'll take. Everything about Chris's childhood development and their time online was a recipe for severe mental illness. Ask any psychologist and they'd say the same thing.
Or just have some basic empathy. Whether Chris really was destined to be a rapist or not, they still shouldn't have been treated so horribly. There's no justification, and I don't understand why you seem to want to make it okay to do that to people.
Do you bully people in your life? Is that why you think their treatment was okay?
@@-cthulhu-3458 What happened in your life to make you think this is okay? Do you need to talk about anything?
@@-cthulhu-3458 Do you know about real life? Maybe you could explain why you feel the way you do. From my perspective, you've made a lot of claims without any backing. Maybe seeing your perspective could help me up understand
@@-cthulhu-3458 learned behavior is literally a thing that happens
Could you imagine going to the doctor and Liquid Chris walks in. My goodness.
Id high five him
I don't know what else to say. Just the fact that the trolls (and his parents to an extent) very likely contributed to the person Chris is today is just insane. This should have never happened. They literally ruined his life! I don't even care if he wasn't the greatest person in the first place, being a contribution to who Chris Chan is today should never be something anyone should be proud of. I hope that these trolls have changed as people.
People can abused their Moral compass 🧭
Liquid Chris at least has divorced Kacey and has become a cancer research doctor. Which is more than all the other trolls who are most likely still living in their mother's basement
@@englishgiraffe2124 he was arguably probably the most harmless. I think he still did some damage, of course. Anything that will mess with Chris chan's perception of reality will cause damage, but, comparably, he's much better than most.
It also seems he has moved on and made himself into a better person overtime.
@@alvamind5286 When Liquid left for the first time to focus on studies, I think he would've stayed gone, if Kacey wasn't in the picture (she's as bad as BlueSpike imo)
@@alvamind5286 Like Mutahar once said in a video about Chris Chan, everyone in the Chris Chan universe is a loser. I do hope liquid Chris reflected somewhat, even if it’s “harmless trolling.”
Chris-chan is utterly fascinating. Tragic in the truest sense of the word. From some kid who could've been anything, probably a really creative writer or artist, to an abhorrent monster. It's sad and the people who made Chris's life hell need to be held accountable.
more like need to be shot and lobotomized
No one to blame but the assholes online, I still feel sorry for him and I always will
@@rankrodent2772 the trolls aren't entirely to blame though. They willing fucked their own life up.
How is that girl still walking the streets free? They confiscated all Chris' electronics and had to have gone thru the chats & all. She definitely needs to be held accountable cause she is a psychopath that will go on to harm someone else.
@@dragoon1090 willingly? You think someone who paid almost 5000 dollars to stop the torture of their own fictional characters does anything willingly? They are extremely mentally ill. It’s just easier to blame Chris rather than face the reality that they have been failed at every point in their life by everyone they’ve ever met.
Chris isn't a lolcow. He is THE lolcow.
I remember hearing about Chrischan and being more fascinated by the community rather than Chris . But I feel this story is a testament to how cruel humans can be and the dangers of being always online
Not to play devil's advocate.
I dont believe all of what happened to chris is solely the trolls fault.
Before online chris had been heavily racist, homo/transphobic, and had sexually assaulted women ( s/a can be considered touching with the intent of being perverted )
Chris has done a lot without the trolls help.
The trolls however had pushed his behavior to the extreme, it was insanely gross for what they did especially bluespike.
In this case ironically the trolls are demons, so your statement is sort of funny also.
As someone who knows CWC from 4chan since 2007, I must agree. He is the result of his parent's fault (mostly Barbara).
I agree. Chris could've solved all of this with one push of the power button. At the end of the day. Autism aside. He chose to put himself on the internet. He kept putting himself online. This is his making. The trolls didn't make him act creepy. Or be a lazy jobless person with a tugboat. Or not try to actually do something with sonichu.
Yes sonichu is a copyright nightmare. But he chose to ignore people's warnings. And the Alec saga showed hes not willing to work on it.
Its his parents yes. But he still chose to interact the way he did.
Heck look at the Adam Stackhouse and the blue arms thing. That was all him. No trolls.
@@TheWolfie234 I mean with that logic, the trolls are at fault because they could of just ignored him or even actually tried to be decent and show Chris a better way
Absolutely agree. It was all downhill for him when he won that stupid contest. From that moment on he believed he deserved whatever he wanted
This video almost made me cry. As a person with autism who was bullied very similarly in school, people trying to get a rise of me and such, I think it’s fair to say that the harassment of Chris Chan was definitely built on ableism. Now I hate Chris Chan and they definitely had a hand in making autistic people look terrible, but so did these trolls. The hateful things Bluespike said to Chris while publicly humiliating them will never leave my head and made me realize that people simply hate us for something we can’t control. I stim, I have sensory issues, I have hyperfixations and very high anxiety. I’m sorry I can’t change that but it’s who I am, what I was born with and all I can really do is learn how to better manage that.
There are evil people in the world and that is not your fault. Remember that. Be ready to deal with them. Don't let them ruin your life either.
@@A_UA-cam_Commenter You are definitely 100% correct, thank you, I needed that 💕
Keep being yourself Tabby Abby and find friends who care about you as a person. The world is full of bad, but there is good in it too!
I have ADHD and am also queer and since the diagnosis, since finding out I'm queer, I've realized that sometimes, bigotry runs so deep in a person that, no matter what you say or do, they will never like you, and it's not your fault. People like this are a symptom of a systemic problem. There's no point in trying to please them. Things won't change until there's societal changes. The one thing you absolutely can do is be yourself, as much as you can, and keep the people who can accept you as close as you can, for as long as you can. Your existence is proof of the diversity of life, and those who choose not to accept you, are only hurting their own growth in the long run.
Excuse my directness and/or poor phrasing, but genuine question. What is the system that causes the issue, the required change, and the pros and cons of said change?
The charges against CWC were recently dropped. Curse the people in the Virginia justice system who let him get away with it. My faith in humanity died inside in light of this.
Curse the trolls too that enabled and encouraged this
These people have become way too comfortable with harrassing people without getting a punch to the face due to social media.
Preach! My guy, Preach!
It genuinely sends shivers down my spine that people did all of this stuff to Chris... To get a laugh.
What Chris has done is despicable, yes, but IMO what these trolls did over the years is indefinitely scarier and worrying. The thought that monsters like these just roam around in the streets is terrifying to me.
I could say the same about wings trolls too. They are much worse than him in many ways yet people praise them like they are just disgruntled fans who want to see him do better. People need to stop praising the trolls as lolcows as saviors because most of the time they are just as bad as the lolcow in question.
you know, chris chan wasnt a great person, but the trolls went way, way too far to push him over the edge.
to troll is a dangerous game, one must be careful.
because he who fights monsters can end up becoming one themselves.
never to this extent. never to this extent...
Well, the thing is that when you watch these "comprehensive history" documentaries about Chris-Chan, you already know how it ended and that Chris-Chan was actually autistic/mentally impaired the entire time.
When it was actually happening, no one had that hindsight... for the longest time there was a huge chunk of internet who believed that Chris Chan was a troll, and it became a challenge to prove it.
_"There's no way in hell this guy is for real. No way"_
Back then, when I was teaching myself English by reading websites like Encyclopedia Dramatica, SomethingAwful or 4chan, when I was following the Chris-Chan early to mid saga, I genuinely thought (I'd guess a good chunk of people who only knew the surface level stuff did too; only the balls-to-the-wall nerds who followed the saga like a TV show were disputing that) that Chris-Chan was a racist, homophobic, character some genius troll was playing.
With every saga came the videos to disprove that Chris-Chan was for real; like the video of him smashing his PS3, it was commonly thought to have been faked, like many of his other antics.
Then year after year after year it became clearer and clearer that it wasn't the case, and that's when things degenerated... with Chris-Chan getting extorted and talked into doing weird sex stuff by edgelords.
I guess it's just weird to see people doing historical documentaries about stuff I was part of as a young teenager, makes one feel old.
Internet seems cyclical like that, we went from "edgy is cool" to "edgy is lame" over the course of the CC Saga, and internet is now waaay more into positivity, and it was a change that had to happen .
Every youtube channel was basically "Why this movie and that manga suck"
Now the successful channels are the "Why this movie/manga saved my life" type, and it's awesome, we had ran the cynicism stuff into the ground, we've been in the good vibes era for a few years now.
If Chris would only learn how to ignore trolls. But since he (yes, I am going to use this pronoun for Chris, since he doesn't respect the gender and only became trans to creep up on women of the LGBT + community) loves the attention, he kept coming back for more online abuse. He gets absolutely no sympathy from me.
@@icchampion5 yeah theres only so much damage done by the trolls. that said, chris was NOT a good person before them.
but he wouldnt nearly be as monstrous if not for them.
It's sobering how much online interaction can impact life. There's almost a cognitive dissonance sometimes to online interaction compared to face to face and a story like this just shows how impactful it can be and how it can be a dangerous gateway to some messed up face to face stuff. Just, damn man.
I got diagnosed with ASD at age 30 - something I could've done with when I was 13. I went through public school thinking I was broken, and was relentlessly bullied. To be honest, if it wasn't for my mom being an absolute technophobe and not having the internet when I was growing up, I may have been in a much worse place now.
Pretty sure Chris came out and said he only " transitioned " just to attempt to get with girls.
He's not trans he's just nuts.
They never told anyone that publicly or privately. The only evidence we have is a troll being in contact with Chris-Chan, which means it's solely second-hand evidence. Isn't value unless the person themselves somehow reveal that information for the public.
@@AbadabaBoy k but I'm still gona call Chris a he because he deserves no respect.
@@humbleheathen69 I understand where you are coming from, I really do but it's somewhat hypocritical if you don't let people express who they are unless you personally believe their identity is valued.
Like I still think Chris is the worst, but sometimes respect for someone can be wrapped based on the opposite functionialmentals that builds what respect is all about.
@@AbadabaBoy alright fair enough.
Even if Chris wasn’t trolled, he would still have done some really terrible stuff, like running over Micheal Schneider and being creepy towards women.
His parents failed him by not getting him the proper help, if they were decent parents, Chris could have had a good life.
@Duke of Lancaster you might want to sit down for this one... you can be a creep and a virgin at the same time.
@Duke of Lancaster You think a virgin can't be creepy? Really? His creepiness is what kept him a virgin.
@Duke of Lancaster His being a virgin until his 30's is because he was a creep to women who only sees women as a replacement mother and receptacle for his baby gravy.
@Duke of Lancaster whats ur point?
@Duke of Lancaster people arent blaming him but holding him accountable for his actions.. just because he has autism and has been ridiculed online, doesnt mean its okay to harass people in society
The part of Chris Chan's story, where he invented a fictional world based on pre existing franchises, that he believed was real and a place he could go to. This all hit home for me personally, as I've had a similar idea in my head for a long time.
HOWEVER. I already know that it's all fictional. It's nothing more than make believe, non of it is real or ever will be real. The closest it's ever going to get to becoming real, is if I ever write it out as a story or something.
This idea was something that started when I was little, and overtime changed and adapted as I grew up and matured. It's nowhere near as...odd as Chris Chan's. It's still something I think about today, but only as something to take my mind off the stress of real life when things get tough. A safe space I guess.
I just thought I'd mention this, given that I'm also autistic, and the fact that Chris Chan had a VERY similar fictional idea in is head was kind of a shock to me.
It's actually called maladaptive daydreaming and is extremely common amongst autistic folks, myself included, except most people who maladaptive daydream know it's not real and just imagination. It's pretty neat to actually read up about it and know you're not the only person that does that.
Really? Huh, that's pretty cool to know.
LOL, I do the same! It also started out as a kid, but all my characters were ocs. Guess I should look into maladaptive daydreaming then, lol.
Same here. I also make "fusions" of characters. The reasons vary from AU storylines, practicing character design, creative inspiration, or just fun. Tbh I kind of worry this whole shitshow of a saga has given that sort of thing a bad reputation. In a way it fuels my self conciousness about how passionate I can get about my interests, how at times I fear it bleeds into obsession (I suspect I might have a touch of the tism.) But then I remember that at least I have a firm grasp on reality, the interest only feels so intense in my own head and I still know it's all fictional.
I don't actually understand why it's called maladaptive daydreaming. Sounds like an average daydreaming.
And now Chris is out of jail, their charges dropped, acting like they did nothing wrong, not taking responsibility for their actions and still believing they’re Jesus. There is no justice in this world.
Hes been in jail several times prior as well. Funny how ppl forget about how this guy truly is.
Thank you. Over 10 years years ago I tried to explain to a ChrisChan "enthusiast" friend of mine that his obsession was exploiting a mentally ill person, and his voyeuristic attention was contributing to his bad behavior. He didn't get it.
People are monsters.
None of them get it. Once you make into the refuse heap of some fandoms then life and maybe internet already crushed morality out of people.
Chris was a creep on women, had maladaptive tendencies, was lazy, got constantly in trouble with the law on his own accord and could have just had internet access cut off so I do pity him at all. This fails to mention the trolls and people who tried to help him in his life but rejected it because he didn't like it and wasn't forced to change
@@alabastertheunicorn3204At no point does this justify harassment and gaslighting
@@opalander the gaslighting and harassment isn't justified but the only way his trolls messed with him was the Internet. If he lost his Internet access, he'd likely been way less crazy.
The worst thing the trolls took from chris is their reality. All of the trolls leaned into their delusions more and more until it drove them insane. It's not a joke at just how far chris is into this dementional merge thing. It's disturbing just how much they have deteriorated mentally. And imo the idea guys and the more evil ones could have never happened without the foundation that was laid by the 'lesser' trolls.
To be fair, Chris had already believed that cartoon characters were alive and conscious beings before the Idea Guys. Remember when Chris called Alec Benson Leary naive for stating that cartoon characters had no feelings nor thoughts?
So I've been a sonic fan all my life, I have never really heard about Chris Chan in detail in my life until last year, Jesus christ this is fucking horrendous on every part, it's mental thinking about what these people thought was okay. Part of me wants to look more into it, the other part of me is fine with not being depressed by it.
This script must've been hell to make and research, good effort on it!
As someone who suffered from bullying, I feel bad for Chris. He did something awful, yes, but the world really treated him like a joke. I am able to relate to his experiences, his temptations, but I have moved on thanks to medication. Looking at these people, and hearing about others who wronged in from the comprehensive history podcast's first episode made me feel sorry for him. Seeing people like you who show the real monsters in this person's life makes me happy, I feel like I have people to trust. Thank you.
Bob and Barb didn’t keep Chris off the internet because they didn’t understand the internet, not because they didn’t understand Chris.
The Chris-Chan community is actually full of like-minded individuals as yourself who don’t want history to repeat. In one video I was watching, I made a comment expressing how I was working on a comic inspired by Sonichu. The ones who responded told me to keep working on the comic and post it when I got far enough along, but to not post anything else, not about my life or the comic’s creation. They even told me that they wanted to avoid another Chris-Chan from ever happening.
Watching old Chris Chan content is like watching The Clone Wars and knowing there won't be a good ending.
I always feel weird saying this but I genuinely believe that Chris was nearly 100% a victim, from how his parents raised him, to his treatment online.
By the way, I should clarify that I don't think he's a good person whatsoever. What he did is despicable to say the very least.
The little speech around 17:00 was spot-on. Very well done.
Huh, I guess it really IS The Clone Wars. The main character essentially being groomed and manipulated into turning into a monster by far worse people. Again, Pup, fantastic video. You really laid the facts down in a way I've seen very few people do.
The objective "tell the story" type documentaries are fantastic, but taking a hot minute to explain that these things ARE horrible is very important in my opinion.
People act like chris chan was just a normal saint and a great guy until the trolls got to him. Even during his "dates" with meghan, she describes chris as someone who cant keep his hands off of her. Honestly he woulda been an awful person without the trolls. People act like he was an amazing dude before.
He's Autistic, they could've castrated him to prevent dates
I haven't seen anyone say that. What most say is the trolls were what basically signed him up for a life where he could never become better.
Chris basically never had anyone in his corner to help.
Most of the blame i'd say directly falls onto his parents due to the fact it was his mother that talked Bob out of getting Chris the help he needed at a young age, likely because she knew they'd likely take Chris out of such a problematic environment.
Bob and barb prioritized keeping their hoarding a secret and keeping Chris with them rather than prioritizing his health.
His ideas of women and how they should be treated clearly came from somewhere.
So you have this autistic kid who's parents refuse to get the help for and instead choose to ignore or enable his worst habits. They leave him to his room to good around, after graduating they're fine with him not hunting for a job what so ever and offer no encouragement to do so.
All this likely played a part in Chris losing his touch on reality at an early age, and then to what he did to Meghan.
Chris at that time was already incapable of realizing the consequences of his actions or having any regard for another person's wishes because he got the idea in his head that he was supposed to end up with a sweetheart. He really believed life was like a tv show, that him and Meghan ending up together was inevitable, so touching her against her wishes was okay (I'll clarify I'm not saying it's okay, I'm describing specifically Chris' point if view) because eventually she'd say yes anyway.
The thing is that he wasn't completely beyond saving just yet. He still could've gotten help after his falling out with Meghan, but instead was faced with trolls who only continued to further his disassociation of reality.
Essentially, Chris never had a chance to be a good person because everyone in his life refused to get him help, and he was unable to recognize he actually needed help.
Tl;Dr
Was Chris a good person? Not really.
Did the trolling help? Absolutely not.
Was it the thing guaranteed he'd never be better? Absolutely.
So it's okay that they told Chris to harm themself and take advantage of their own mother?
See how strawmanning works both ways?
@@JDH109I've heard that many violent incels have one thing in common and that is doting parents (particularly mothers). This makes them think they can get anything they want, so if it doesn't work it's the world that's wrong. Particularly the women because their mom gave them everything and that's how women are "supposed to work".
@@JDH109 Adding onto this, cause I see this said a lot.
"He never learned from his mistakes," or "People tried helping him," comments bother me for the reason you stated above. These people would either stroke his ego or consistently troll the guy to get even funnier reactions. Then when the joke went too far, they'd reveal themselves to Chris as having manipulated them and their actions to Chris to then go on to say, "But this time is different cause this is serious."
Chris is a horrible human being. End of story. But these people acting like they were doing anything more then harassing someone into insanity is absolutely ridiculous. The trolls made a horrible human being more dangerous with the attention they gave them. The story with Meghan should've been the end of that saga with the trolls when they realized this man is potentially dangerous and completely delusional. Instead they used it to justify a harassment that went on for well over what it should've gone on for.
Basically, there's an entire group of monsters shielded by a sensationalized villain who gets all the attention.
"There are questions of who will be the next Chris Chan?"
*Immediately shows Cyrax*
Well said. What Chris did was inexcusable, but the “trolls” are romanticized. It’s something that wasn’t okay and the Chris Chan Sega is dark and tragic.
im someone who suffers with delusions and has problems with putting myself into fictional worlds and not placing myself in reality. its caused by trauma from a really young age and isnt something to be laughed at. i seriously truly appreciate your respectfulness throughout this entire video, it makes people like myself feel validated and accepted. chris may be an awful person but their past self was just delusional and misguided.
chris chan is reminder that not everyone can be a parents
Theres also a kiwifarms psychopath by the name of Isabella Loretta Jankee who played a role in the chris chan story as well as her own drama involving animal cruelty, SA, and many other horrible things
Yeah, this is something I rarely see people bring up and I hope more people do soon. The people surrounding Chris Chan are almost just as bad as them
@@soobymsn1260 in a lot of cases worse than her
@@theletterm1787 absolutely, these “trolls” are just absolute losers doing horrible things harassing a person with autism. Not cool at all
@@soobymsn1260 Chris wouldn't have done half the crazy shit she's infamous for without those internet psychos screwing with her.
I think that's the Bella that Pup mentions in the video.
I want to add to the conversation since you mainly covered Chris's early life. Another bad thing people did was support Chris's delusions. There are so many videos out there of people encouraging Chris's delusions later in life. Chris would say Magi-Chan is sitting next to them and then asks the people around them if they can see him. They said yes. Another example is TheGamerFromMars's documentary. He let Chris "heal" him and spent so much time listening to Chris's go on about delusions while he's sitting there nodding his head. Stuff like that reenforced Chris's delusions. That's why I dislike any documentary or interviews with the interviewer interacting with Chris.
Chris is a bad person, there is no doubt about that, but there were so many bad people online that spend months, YEARS, "trolling" Chris. I don't understand how some people can find the time to do that.
Half way through the video at the moment but just wanna say I'm glad you're taking the more empathetic route, I feel like his recent actions have led to so much hatred people have forgotten he was a product of others actions, just as much as he was a product of his own.
Lot people believe it was Isabel talk him into raping his mother.
So this is not to excuse Chris Chan, there are so many factors like you said. The thing is there was a video that was really long and unfortunately I don't recall who's it was but I will never forget. After Bob died Barbara made Chris sleep in the bed with her. This was over 10 years ago I believe. I believe she abused him, maybe not in that bed. There is a reason though that Cole (her son from the previous marriage) holds so much resentment for her. She was very possessive of Chris in the earlier Geno Samuel videos. This isn't to say Barb wasn't a victim just that things aren't as clear as we all think. There's always things going on that we didn't or don't see
Most definitely
I have seen claims that she was faking her foggy mental state to gain sympathy points from Chris' audience and I'm not ruling it out completely.
Chis Chan has admitted multiple times that they only transitioned to be more approachable by females and to get lesbians (as they are in his words, permanent boyfriend free girls).
Affirming Chris is trans is a slap in the face to the whole lgbt community.
This!!! Why people aren’t repeating this is a disservice to transsexuals
Exactly
Yeah that video where he had the blue dress and head towel on
Yeah the guy in this video would just be a Chris enabler
Facts
also the jacob sockness wasn't a troll because he wasn't even trolling chris and was as bad as chris or even worse than him
Yeah, he was a genuine stalker to Chris, a crazy fanboy. To the point where Chris told Jacob to back off.
Chris chan was not a good person but victim and villain. There are no heroes in Chris chan story, only villains and victims
Ok but liquid Chris was pretty funny
Liquid Chris is an oncologist now apparently.
Imagine having cancer and you walk into your doctors office and it's Liquid Chris sitting at the desk...😬
I'd be like "YOOO!!!!!!!" 😄
I'd greet him like an old friend.
Maybe the amusement would help me get through it.
@@banditxavier2893 I'd have so many questions and none of them would be about cancer!! 😂
Since I've heard this I've thought is this dude really the kinda person that should have such control over vulnerable people? He was more than old enough to know better with Chris and some of the things he did to Chris were exceptionally cruel and distorted his already fractured perception of reality and his significance/grandiosity.
That's why I agree with the idea that "There are no heroes in Chris chan's story".
As someone who's transgender (ftm) it's hard for me believe that chris has genuine gender dysphoria, i'd say it might be autogynephilia but because it is chris chan i have no f*cking idea what's going on just a messed up individual all along
Dude yea I don't Chris Chan has dysphoria either.
Its implied that he did it to get a boyfriend free girl. However ive heard both takes, also some people use Chris as an example to be against Transgender rights which is also interesting.
Chris really needed a big bro on their lives
Thank you so much for making this video pup, stuff like this should be looked at more often. I promise you, this video, no matter how little, WILL make a difference
Chris didn't have to be a victim turned villain, if he had gotten help and gotten a good friend circle that taught him how to behave and be normal when he was a young man he could have turned out different, instead his parents coddled him and never let him venture out there leading to his schizophrenia spiralling out of control and ending up in prison after the bombshell dropped that he did stuff to Barb
Chris Chan story remains of a cautionary tale of what not to do in the internet and the internet never forgets.
2 things.
1: I love how you address trolling going too far in this video. Something I've hated for years is that most people will treat any kind of trolling as "just a joke" ignoring that some people have mental illnesses like depression and anxiety. People will go out of their way to hurt someone badly because it's "funny" and that behavior has always been disgusting to me. Thank you for tackling that topic, I couldn't of worded it better myself.
2: As someone with very mild Autism, I always felt lucky that unlike Chris Chan my autism never messed up my mind beyond certain things annoying me(very small things and a short list of them at that). I hate that one of the most known examples of Autism on the internet is Chris Chan because they are definitely not representative of the spectrum as a whole and I feel it just adds to the assumption many make about Autism equaling stupidity when there's very few cases where it does. I don't know where on the spectrum Chris Chan was but it definitely was worse than most examples of it I've witnessed outside of myself.
The video was fantastic, you have my respect for it!
At this point the idea guys, Janke, and the praetor are bigger freaks than Chris Chan himself.
I never heard someone compare chris chan to the truman show but know that I think about it the comparison is perfect
Did the trolls makes it worse? Yes. Could Chris live a healthy normal life without them? No.
Chris has a lot of issues preventing him from that?
If Chris went to therapy and left the internet then he would lived a normal life
@@just_some_greek_dude No they wouldnt have - even before the internet in their childhood they went to therapy which granted them very little help.
Chris needed better parents. Bob and Barb just ignored all issues and enabled him.
@@MERNOXOPHLAM who are you talking about?
@@ChadDidNothingWrong Chris. Some people choose to use neutral pronouns (they/them) to refer to Chris because of his messy and confusing gender identity.
Chris is no longer a Lol-Cow. He’s a Horror Cow. It’s almost poetic to see how if he just had help he could have been well influenced and changed for the better. But now he’s gone beyond Lol-Cow and is now something more. Chris is no longer just a joke, Chris is an in-depth warning to people as to show what happens when you don’t get help.
The ultimate takeaway from the story of Chris Chan is there were no “Good guy” in that situation, everyone who trolled, mocked, or manipulated them in the end were fucking with an autistic person. It’s still fucking terrifying to think about how even up to their arrest they were being tracked, there was an up to date report of where they were spotted and you bloody wonder why they became paranoid of anyone who didn’t recognize them. Sure Chris has done irredeemable things and before their father died was a huge spoiled brat but the situation was completely fucked no matter which way you try to spin it.
Really happy to see folks reflecting in the comments section. I do want to answer a few questions from the comments here. This kind of video is outside of my normal wheelhouse so apologies for any gaps in there:
This video was never to excuse Chris Chan but to take a reality-check on the other contributing factors that made Chris Chan the monster they are today.
There are folks asking "what about the time Chris did this specific thing?". It's a fair question, however, my priority with this video was to acknowledge who Chris Chan is and all their many MANY faults, but the main focus for this one was always going to be the trolls who contributed to the problems. This video makes it clear that it isn't a documentation of Chris Chan but serves to highlight something I don't think is talked about enough. It's pretty well known that Chris Chan is a jackass. Not so much how far people pushed them.
I also often refer to Chris Chan as "mentally impaired" in the place of autistic. As many have pointed out, autism does not excuse Chris Chan, and there are likely a variety of different personality disorders going on here. At the end of the day, regardless of Chris Chan's conditions, it was never okay for trolls to prey on them the way they did. Ridicule is one thing, bullying is another.
Also folks, as I say, I fully understand why there are folks both trans and cis who deny the validity of Chris Chan's gender identification, and I understand that. But as I say in the video, I'm using they/them strictly to be as respectful as possible, not necessarily to Chris but to the trans community. It's airing on the safe side above all else as the subject of gender identification is not one I feel personally equipped to discuss or make judgement on. That conversation is for someone else's video.
I'm just glad to see someone else out there try to put on everyone's shoes in the story and understand that it is checkered and layered. You even acknowledged that Chris parents screwed up but did so out of a desire to protect Chris from what they thought was bad. The internet must be kinder yet-
I always refer to an exchange from Star Trek TNG
"I understand what you did here Q, but I think the lesson could've been learned without the loss of 18 members of my crew"
"If you can't take a little bloody nose maybe you oughta run back home and crawl under your bed. It's not safe out here. It's wondrous. With treasures to satiate desires both subtle and gross, but it's not for the timid."
The world is not kind by nature, the internet just takes that and amps it up.
"Anonymity corrupts. It turns good people into assholes and assholes into something unspeakable."
- Arby, I think...
People need to be kinder to each other in general. But that is an eternal effort humanity must undertake that every single person can participate in. Be the change you desire. It's all you can do.
I don't think there's a problem with using she/her for christine. I don't think a person's pronouns are really a "privilege" that should be up for others to revoke. Not to jump to her defense or anything after her recent actions, I just don't think it should be up to anyone else to decide what a person's pronouns should be, especially when a lot of the reasons people have come up with to claim that her transition is somehow illegitimate are, at best, stretching the truth
Not to come after you or anything! I don't think you're being malicious by deciding not to use her pronouns. Just, as a trans person, I think it's harmful and unproductive to go out of your way not to use a person's pronouns just because others have accused them of faking. It accomplishes nothing and sets a harmful precedent for all trans people. You ultimately can't prove that a person is faking, and it's notoriously easy to pass made up trash off as "proof" on the internet
Friendship ended with CHRIS CHAN Now CYRAXX is my lolcow💪💪💪💪💪💪💪💪💪👍👍👍
So these people never heard the term poking a bear with a stick
Allow me to explain a few things. Liquid Chris' trolling was an attempt to make Chris reflect on his own flaws and help him improve.
BlueSpike was highly regarded as a controversial troll, with how cruel he was. But as of now, BlueSpike does hold regret for how he treated Chris. I know that doesn't mean much now, but still.
And as Chris slowly lost his grip on reality and just as time passed in general, the Christorians decided to just not actively engage or mess with Chris and just leave him alone and observe what he does. As a result, The Idea Guys are largely hated because they really messed things up for Chris, feeding into his delusions and extorting money from him and are largely responsible for Chris' God/CPU delusions.
Isabelle is also hated for similar reasons and it's widely believed she's the one who talked Chris into doing what he did. She's also a horrible person in general, but still.
But major factors to him being trolled are his massive ego, short temper, willingness to believe anything, his hypocrisy, his near obsessions with women, and his homophobia. Did he deserve the trolling? No, not to such an extent. But he was opening himself up to it by responding and reacting. I know he's Autistic (i am too), but he should have been able to recognize issues and patterns, but his aforementioned ego and a few other things got in the way.
Blame also falls onto his parents (especially Barb, not that I'm saying she deserved what happened to her because she didn't) for not being more active in Chris' upbringing, dealing with his antics on the internet (I do get they're old and probably aren't that good with internet stuff, so I can give some leeway), and just overall not being good when it comes to helping Chris with his autism.
I also want to mention that the people on the CWCki DO actually want Chris to get help. Many are hoping he gets transferred to a mental hospital to get the help he desperately needed, but refused to get.
That Idea Guy stuff is one of the darkest and strangest true-life stories I've ever read. It was a psy-ops operation on a vulnerable individual, who lost what little connection to reality she had left after they were done with her.
Like giving Chris a 15 y/o wife character, pretending to torture said character in a very realistic way to make Chris do what they want, making her imaginary world into a n*zi death camp, extorting over $6k by threatening to blow it up in Photoshop...
And then there's Bella. Chris' life was never good but it's now a black hole of Junji Ito-level insanity.
@@theotherther1 The worst part about Isabella is that her end goal was to make Chris, well... end it all. Have him have sex with an autistic girl who actually did have a crush on him, Isabella would record it, and blackmail the two of them. And in the end, Chris would just... claim his own life.
IIRC, wasn't Null one of the only guys who tried to reach out to Chris?
@@ismellmandude6401yes and Null actually had contact with Chris and made an attempt to try and help Chris be an adult.
The problems with the idea that Chris should've done this or that despite his autism are.
A. That autism comes in a spectrum of different forms in different severities. Some people with autism go their whole lives unable to speak, let alone function like an average person at all. Comparing someone else's autism to another's ignores the nuances of it.
B. There's an argument to be made that Chris's problems go beyond autism. He very well could have deeper undiagnosed problems that impair him in worse ways than autism.
I just wish people had the common sense to look at a grown man who believes Santa will bring him a girlfriend for Christmas and call a spade a spade. Chris is severely disabled and can't be held to the expectations of most adults. You can't just decide he should recognize this or that, especially on the internet where people harass him and tell him to hurt himself.
Chris is a he. He said he only “transitioned” to date girlfriend free girls. Thinking it would be easier.
12:04 He directly stated that fans believe, never said that it's factorial. The wiki never stated as much either so there barely any actual evidence that can fully support the idea.
@@AbadabaBoy he literally said this in a interview
My life could have slipped into that self-obsessive dark pit of ego but thanks to refinement, humility, guidance,and finally having friends just before college, I can say that I was saved from such a life.
Family was loving and rollmodel levels of wholesome, gaming was but an enjoyment that I did not see as actual reality, late friends at my prelude before college, my personal bullies apologizing, etc.
An old friend of mine mentioned this and he seemed to feel that his parents are 100% why he became the way he was and I did agree. I think we spoke of it back in 2017. Its sad really this all happeend. The interenet made this situation even worse. I remember also Dillin Thomas used to cover Chris Chan quite a bit too. I don't remember the details though.
Chis chan would have been just a wierdo that lived on the edge of society if the internet had just left them alone. Chris is a cautionary tale about how long term trolling can destroy a person.
Either that, or he could have been a sexual molester who would devolved into someone similar to Jeffry Dalmer.
On the bright side, this situation brought more awareness to mental health/mental illness and what can happen if it's not taken seriously
And parenting. I feel like not enough people take it seriously.