Lovely. The Holiday Express is so evocative. I wonder where it would have been heading back then. I picture a harried mother herding the children, father lugging the suitcases, everyone excited and mum just wanting a cup of tea from the diner. Also, I was thinking about the smoke units. How about a low voltage smoke element, maybe 3-6 volts, with a solid state voltage regulator. That way it would fire up without the need to apply full power to the motor. Come on Tri-ang, what's the R&D Dept doing? 😄
I bet these sort of trains ran to the coast from lots of towns or cities. In my mind I think it was perhaps on the way to the East coast so the holiday makers could enjoy nice fresh crab. Thanks for looking, all the best to you
Johnathan. This is a marvellous upload and takes me back to the 1960's with a Jinty and Princess Royal. The West German provenance of the Seuthe units leads me to suggest the pronounciation should be 'Soy-ter'
fascinating smoke units and i enjoyed the running! very nice passenger trains. i always liked the shape of your double mainline. cheers and nice video Sir! :) -john
Great video. I converted a Triang Rocket to radio control (battery etc. in the coach behind the loco) principally to overcome the poor track connectivity but realised in the process that I could leave the smoke unit on track power. This, per your comment about a resistor on the motor feed, allows the smoke unit to have full power whilst the motor is regulated. I posted a UA-cam earlier this year showing this. Best wishes.
I have always wondered about condensate over the brushes and the windings. I notice you do some sealing to forestall. That is a wonderful pyrometer. What a good addition for exhaustive heat testing for any loco. Thanks for your efforts.
Hello Pete, thanks for watching and writing this comment. It's great to be able to check for heat in these models, especially if modifications have been carried out. Take care and have a great festive season
Even as a child I thought the smoke units were more gimmick than practical. I removed them from most of my locos. The B12's ran extremely well today Jonathan, most enjoyable to see. David.
I too had an old Triang 'jinty' (and still have it) it had a smoke box my dad would put drops of oil down the chimney and smoke was generated he knicknamed it the 'Puffer', managed to get the locomotive working after it was lying in a box for the last fifty years. I will need to see if I can get the smoke generator working. Another great video Mr.Snooze keep the memories coming. Merry Christmas to you.
I bet you will get it working. If its syncrosmoke remove and clean the element contacts. Check the coil is not open circuit and if all is well enjoy the smoke. Best regards to you
Absolutely happy to see you run these. I have a Class L1 4-4-0 but i seem to overfill these and they stop smoking. I also have no idea how to service the Suethe smoke units so ill keep an eye on that short or video you have servicing these.
You are right 1960s Tri-ang and Tri-ang Hornby were all about fun . Seeing your layout just seems so reminiscent of Christmas . Train set under the tree , excitement ! I had a B12 but the Princess Elizabeth and my 3F Jinty all had smoke too . Great stuff ! Merry Christmas
Be interesting to see if there was a way to activate the smoke generation at slower speeds as always though a very good video. All the best to you and your family over the festive season.
Great video, i found a supplier of locomotive smoke oil and guess what, it smelled like baby oil. And it worked great not that I use them very much. All the best
I do wonder if some of the suppliers use different things in their smoke oil. I'd love a definitive answer about the makeup of the original oil. Take care, all the best to you
Typical timing, just seen this vid and your advice about the smoke unit running hot, had this been a day earlier, i may not have burnt my finger servicing an old Brittania. I tend to use liquid paraffin which works ok. Never sure about the effects any of these smoke units might have on our health. Had the local chemist in stitches when I told him what I wanted the paraffin for. Another lovely video. Would you consider testing different oils for the best effects. Keep up the good work
Excellent video, it would be good to see more on the triang version as I like the puffing effect. There may be scope for modification to make it work better at slow speeds. I have several of these units but no working elements and would be very interested in finding a replacement.
Hello, I'm going to have a go repairing some of these elements soon, hang on to your faulty one, I might be able to fix them for you in the future. Thanks for looking, all the best to you
Thanks Mr Snooze, really interesting to see the smoke units in more detail, and the lovely B12's. Do they both have Magnadhesion - the cornering at smoke-generating speeds was amazing to see ! Thanks again.
I bought the smoking jinty and pannier tank , the trouble is you have to run them so fast you can never be sure if it’s the smoke unit or the motor that’s smoking lol , the jinty was bought because a smoker jinty was in the first train set I ever got as a child .
There isn't much of a substitute for the real thing, buy some Seuthe smoke fluid it is still available and is the best on the market. Do please give a more in depth look at the smoke units... I realise now why my Davy Crocket can hardly make a wisp... no tube lol. I never saw it as a gimmick, to me it was serious kung-fu and still is with the American MTH & BLI loco's. Thanks for giving us a mouthpiece and an ear.
If you can get hold of a .5mm needle you can make yourself a smoke pipe. Remember to angle the cut at 45 degrees at the bottom of the pipe to allow it to work when you insert it. Best regards to you
I believe, that if you go to the trouble of fitting DCC, then the smoke unit could be powered on it's own function, and be run at a higher voltage than the motor? It could probably even smoke while standing still? The DCC decoder would need to be a "heavy duty" one for the older motors though? The voltage for a smoke unit would need the C.V's set, to not exceed the originally intended 12 volts mark though , or the units may "overheat" and damage the loco bodies or their elements.. (Because DCC voltages can be 16 volts or more, the full available track power may be too much for them )? Tri ang smoke can look good too, if you double head locos? The extra power to run two locos, means more voltage to the smoke unit, but a bit less speed for the locos? All in all, I like to see a smoke unit working, but sometimes a bit of experimentation may be needed, to find the best oil to produce the most or enough smoke?
There are all sorts of exciting possibilities with DCC, I must fight the urge to try some out and stay true to the vintage items, for the moment anyway. Have a great Christmas season
I have never gone over to the 'dark side' either and am not likely to? There is too much fun to be had by keeping it simple (and much cheaper as well)? A Merry Christmas break to you and yours also.......
Tremendous fun indeed and what was just a gimmick is now making a comeback as Hornby are introducing a new smoke unit which will sync with sound on DCC. There are others already on the market, they are much more effective and can slowly steam away even when stationary on digital control.
Would be interesting to add a series diode array to slow the motor while still giving full voltage to the smoke unit, so it will work better at slower speeds. Diode arrays drop voltage by 0.7V per diode, and won't get hot. Resistor could work, but is not, electrically, the correct way to go, as the effective resistance of the motor changes with the running speed (as the back-emf builds), so the response becomes very non-linear. Diodes simply drop the voltage, regardless of the back-emf in the circuit.
@@MrSnooze Any diode (so really, picking for forward current and physical dimensions is all that matters) when forward biased, drops 0.7V. So you need two chains in parallel so the motor can run in both directions. The number of diodes in each depends on the necessary voltage drop - e.g. if you wanted to drop 2V, you'd need 3 diodes in series (would actually give you 2.1V, but close enough), and similarly reversed in parallel. Sounds clunky, but with surface mount and small sized electrical components, it's definitely feasible. Any cheap general purpose diode, e.g. 1n4001, or 1n4148 can be obtained to play with, and then if you get it working well on the bench, you can look for miniature versions of the diodes to fit within the loco. I guess the one thing you'd need to be sure is that the diode can hack the max current of a stalled motor - I'm guessing around 1Amp.
Always entertaining, Mr Snooze...
Simply wonderful.....thanks a lot...
It's fun just watching... brilliant !
🙂🙂👍👍🇳🇿🇳🇿
Thanks for the kind words, I'm glad you enjoyed this. Take care, all the best to you
Amazing.
Thank You, I hope you enjoy some of the other videos on the channel. All the best to you
Lovely. The Holiday Express is so evocative. I wonder where it would have been heading back then. I picture a harried mother herding the children, father lugging the suitcases, everyone excited and mum just wanting a cup of tea from the diner. Also, I was thinking about the smoke units. How about a low voltage smoke element, maybe 3-6 volts, with a solid state voltage regulator. That way it would fire up without the need to apply full power to the motor. Come on Tri-ang, what's the R&D Dept doing? 😄
I bet these sort of trains ran to the coast from lots of towns or cities. In my mind I think it was perhaps on the way to the East coast so the holiday makers could enjoy nice fresh crab. Thanks for looking, all the best to you
Johnathan. This is a marvellous upload and takes me back to the 1960's with a Jinty and Princess Royal.
The West German provenance of the Seuthe units leads me to suggest the pronounciation should be 'Soy-ter'
I shall have to check out the correct pronunciation, My German is not so strong unfortunately. Thanks for watching, all the best to you
fascinating smoke units and i enjoyed the running! very nice passenger trains. i always liked the shape of your double mainline. cheers and nice video Sir! :) -john
Good to hear from you John, I'm glad you enjoyed this. Take care and have a great festive season
Great video. I converted a Triang Rocket to radio control (battery etc. in the coach behind the loco) principally to overcome the poor track connectivity but realised in the process that I could leave the smoke unit on track power. This, per your comment about a resistor on the motor feed, allows the smoke unit to have full power whilst the motor is regulated. I posted a UA-cam earlier this year showing this. Best wishes.
This sounds interesting, I shall check it out. All the best to you
I have always wondered about condensate over the brushes and the windings. I notice you do some sealing to forestall. That is a wonderful pyrometer. What a good addition for exhaustive heat testing for any loco.
Thanks for your efforts.
Hello Pete, thanks for watching and writing this comment. It's great to be able to check for heat in these models, especially if modifications have been carried out. Take care and have a great festive season
Good stuff.
Thanks for the tips on the smoke oil alternative.
I must try my smoke engines.
Stay safe
Mon
I hope you give your smoke engines a go, it's great fun. Take care, all the best to you
Even as a child I thought the smoke units were more gimmick than practical. I removed them from most of my locos. The B12's ran extremely well today Jonathan, most enjoyable to see. David.
I think it's fun to try these things from time to time. It is amazing what Tri-ang offered back in the day. Take care, all the best to you
I too had an old Triang 'jinty' (and still have it) it had a smoke box my dad would put drops of oil down the chimney and smoke was generated he knicknamed it the 'Puffer', managed to get the locomotive working after it was lying in a box for the last fifty years. I will need to see if I can get the smoke generator working. Another great video Mr.Snooze keep the memories coming. Merry Christmas to you.
I bet you will get it working. If its syncrosmoke remove and clean the element contacts. Check the coil is not open circuit and if all is well enjoy the smoke. Best regards to you
Absolutely happy to see you run these. I have a Class L1 4-4-0 but i seem to overfill these and they stop smoking. I also have no idea how to service the Suethe smoke units so ill keep an eye on that short or video you have servicing these.
Overfilling is not great. Hopefully it will dry out a bit and start working. Thanks for looking, all the best to you
You are right 1960s Tri-ang and Tri-ang Hornby were all about fun . Seeing your layout just seems so reminiscent of Christmas . Train set under the tree , excitement ! I had a B12 but the Princess Elizabeth and my 3F Jinty all had smoke too . Great stuff ! Merry Christmas
Merry Christmas to you too, It is good to hear you like seeing these things. Thanks for watching, Best regards to you
Be interesting to see if there was a way to activate the smoke generation at slower speeds as always though a very good video. All the best to you and your family over the festive season.
I agree, getting smoke at slower speeds would be good. All the best to you
Great video, i found a supplier of locomotive smoke oil and guess what, it smelled like baby oil. And it worked great not that I use them very much. All the best
I do wonder if some of the suppliers use different things in their smoke oil. I'd love a definitive answer about the makeup of the original oil. Take care, all the best to you
Great video As normal
Thanks for watching again, I'm glad you enjoyed the video. All the best to you
Triang speed ?
I’m giving it all she’s got captain the motor will never take it she’s gonna blow
Damb it Scotty we need smoke
Give it more power .
I've giv'n her all she's got captain, an' I canna give her no more.
Typical timing, just seen this vid and your advice about the smoke unit running hot, had this been a day earlier, i may not have burnt my finger servicing an old Brittania. I tend to use liquid paraffin which works ok. Never sure about the effects any of these smoke units might have on our health. Had the local chemist in stitches when I told him what I wanted the paraffin for. Another lovely video. Would you consider testing different oils for the best effects. Keep up the good work
I picked up my soldering iron stand the other day, still hot from the iron. I never learn sometimes. Thanks for looking, all the best to you
Could you use essential oils? Those for the tea light "air fresheners", non toxic? for "Soothe running"😏👍👍
Maybe I'll get some lavender on the go to help me get 40 winks. Time for a snooze. Best regards to you
Excellent video, it would be good to see more on the triang version as I like the puffing effect. There may be scope for modification to make it work better at slow speeds. I have several of these units but no working elements and would be very interested in finding a replacement.
Hello, I'm going to have a go repairing some of these elements soon, hang on to your faulty one, I might be able to fix them for you in the future. Thanks for looking, all the best to you
That's brilliant, thanks. Keep up the good work.
Thanks Mr Snooze, really interesting to see the smoke units in more detail, and the lovely B12's. Do they both have Magnadhesion - the cornering at smoke-generating speeds was amazing to see ! Thanks again.
The newer one definitely has magnadhesion but I'm not sure about the older one. All the best to you
I bought the smoking jinty and pannier tank , the trouble is you have to run them so fast you can never be sure if it’s the smoke unit or the motor that’s smoking lol , the jinty was bought because a smoker jinty was in the first train set I ever got as a child .
That smoking Jinty is an excellent Tri-ang item. There is a lovely burgundy L.M.S one that smokes too. Thanks for looking, all the best to you
There isn't much of a substitute for the real thing, buy some Seuthe smoke fluid it is still available and is the best on the market. Do please give a more in depth look at the smoke units... I realise now why my Davy Crocket can hardly make a wisp... no tube lol. I never saw it as a gimmick, to me it was serious kung-fu and still is with the American MTH & BLI loco's. Thanks for giving us a mouthpiece and an ear.
If you can get hold of a .5mm needle you can make yourself a smoke pipe. Remember to angle the cut at 45 degrees at the bottom of the pipe to allow it to work when you insert it. Best regards to you
@@MrSnooze I'll give it a shot, thx for the info.
I believe, that if you go to the trouble of fitting DCC, then the smoke unit could be powered on it's own function, and be run at a higher voltage than the motor? It could probably even smoke while standing still? The DCC decoder would need to be a "heavy duty" one for the older motors though?
The voltage for a smoke unit would need the C.V's set, to not exceed the originally intended 12 volts mark though , or the units may "overheat" and damage the loco bodies or their elements.. (Because DCC voltages can be 16 volts or more, the full available track power may be too much for them )? Tri ang smoke can look good too, if you double head locos? The extra power to run two locos, means more voltage to the smoke unit, but a bit less speed for the locos?
All in all, I like to see a smoke unit working, but sometimes a bit of experimentation may be needed, to find the best oil to produce the most or enough smoke?
There are all sorts of exciting possibilities with DCC, I must fight the urge to try some out and stay true to the vintage items, for the moment anyway. Have a great Christmas season
I have never gone over to the 'dark side' either and am not likely to? There is too much fun to be had by keeping it simple (and much cheaper as well)? A Merry Christmas break to you and yours also.......
Tremendous fun indeed and what was just a gimmick is now making a comeback as Hornby are introducing a new smoke unit which will sync with sound on DCC. There are others already on the market, they are much more effective and can slowly steam away even when stationary on digital control.
Yes, I think they are somehow water based. I'd love to take one apart to find it's secrets. All the best to you
Would be interesting to add a series diode array to slow the motor while still giving full voltage to the smoke unit, so it will work better at slower speeds. Diode arrays drop voltage by 0.7V per diode, and won't get hot. Resistor could work, but is not, electrically, the correct way to go, as the effective resistance of the motor changes with the running speed (as the back-emf builds), so the response becomes very non-linear. Diodes simply drop the voltage, regardless of the back-emf in the circuit.
This is very interesting, do you have a diode reference, part number that would be suitable? Many thanks
@@MrSnooze Any diode (so really, picking for forward current and physical dimensions is all that matters) when forward biased, drops 0.7V. So you need two chains in parallel so the motor can run in both directions. The number of diodes in each depends on the necessary voltage drop - e.g. if you wanted to drop 2V, you'd need 3 diodes in series (would actually give you 2.1V, but close enough), and similarly reversed in parallel. Sounds clunky, but with surface mount and small sized electrical components, it's definitely feasible. Any cheap general purpose diode, e.g. 1n4001, or 1n4148 can be obtained to play with, and then if you get it working well on the bench, you can look for miniature versions of the diodes to fit within the loco. I guess the one thing you'd need to be sure is that the diode can hack the max current of a stalled motor - I'm guessing around 1Amp.