Haney vs Lomachenko: ANALYSIS
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- Опубліковано 27 тра 2023
- Was Haney vs Lomachenko a robbery? Breaking down the action! Analysis, film study, technical breakdown
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can you do rolly vs ryan and beterbiev vs bivol (even though its not happening)
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This was not a robbery just stop the bs
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@@somaliano99kingkonghimself75 Did I say it was? You couldn’t have watched the video
At 35 its crazy how fast Loma still is. You would think his reflexes would be fading but he does a good job avoiding a lot of the shots. People who compared Devin to Floyd are crazy. Floyd had such cat like reflexes compared to Haney its not even close.
Re-watch this video and watch how smoothly Haney ducks under, turns , spins and pivots...yeah he took some shots but he held up!!! No one is Floyd but you can tell this kid has been schooled by the Master
@@7neophyte He held up, LOL. The guy was 10 years younger and much bigger and the best you can do is he held up? He said he was gonna wash Loma and bully him and he did nothing.
He's accomplished alot at the age of 24. Loma was 24 in the amateurs fighting teenagers.
@@jeffwheeler1893 We know Devin 10 years younger than Loma as a matter of fact, What was Loma doing at 24 ? How about he was a amateur fighting bums Devin is 30-0 undisputed champion
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Meanwhile dopes are still saying Floyd age was a big factor in his win over Canelo.😂😂
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High level film study! Once Loma started controlling the range, the momentum of the fight changed which exposed Haney’s inability to make the necessary adjustments
To me, it started out with Loma dictating the pace with his footwork. He started walking HANEY down right around 2:13 in the first round and just got stronger and more accurate as the fight went on
@@hakeemolajuwon4352 people said haney wanted to make the fight entertaining trying not to give loma credit but in reality loma neutralized haneys jab forcing him to fight his fight
@@rjjtmt yeah Loma sure did neutralize HANEY'S jab. HANEY went 1-21 in the first round with those jabs and never had a positive connect rate with it.
@@rjjtmtI'm not so sure he neutralized his jab. I think Haney threw the jab as a decoy. Devin's tactics was to take Lomas strengths away from him which is angles. Loma didn't figure that out until late in the fight because he was looking for the jab.
Not really, loma lost
HANEY did alot of things well in this fight and learned a great deal. His ability to spin and turn on Loma negated alot of what Loma wanted to do.. People sleeping on his IQ and toughness...His chin held up under fire from an elite fighter. His defense is good and can get better!!!
Absolutely
That turn isn’t IQ so much as the Black American boxing style. Ortiz, Lopez, and now Haney all did the same thing cause it’s taught at the early stages of learning how to box.
Loma’s footwork has always been gimmicky and neutralized by “Mexican Style,” or “Black American Style.”
but what you guys need to understand is.. when haney does that. ( turn with loma) in the eye of the judges. it shows control. then devin would pop in and land 1-2 power punches and pop out with no reaction from loma. regardless if loma is walking him down or not. it shows ring generalship, and control on dev's behalf which wins him those round.
There was some high level stuff going on in that ring. They are both even better than I thought. They were making adjustments and trying to outmaneuver and execute the other, I was mentally exhausted after the fight just trying to follow their chess match😂.
Why it didn't sell well. Master boxers bore people. They wanna see someone's head get taken off in 3 rounds. Not a 12 round high speed chess match. Not me ,but people in general. I like both but you'll learn a lot more about boxing from the high speed chess match.
@@jandro8370 thank you, I enjoyed it too for the boxing. records in boxing are overated
@@Duel1982 for me Davis vs Garcia was determined at the contract negotiations. I knee Garcia had little chance fundamentally. Makes too many mistakes. His only chance was his power and then that was stripped away in a weight rehydration clause put into the contract. So every single advantage went to Davis. No belt on the line even tho Davis held a WBA interim belt at that time. Thats not very competitive to me. Nothing at stake but somebody's 0. Crazy people care about that more than Undisputed.
In Loma vs Haney it was at 135 with no rehydration clauses and for all the belts between 2 of the most fundamentally sound guys in the weight class. I'd rather watch that.
@Mike ha Except that they didn't. They are the ones championing this "robbery" narrative. The worst part is that they are vocal and adamant and refuse to listen if someone tries to explain things to them. They are more like fans of ball sports, that cheer religiously for their favorite teams, than boxing fans.
@@jandro8370It's just like music. The general population want quick rushes of excitement, none of the beautiful nuances, that takes too much energy to consume
High level boxing, high level breakdown. Another banger for the fans of the sport.
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Along with incredible reflexes one major reason why loma did so well was because he did not respect haneys power. In the teofimo fight loma was very apprehensive towards teos power but in this case he knew and also felt that haney doesnt ve the power to hurt him so he was hunting haney all night. Haney has arguably the best jab in boxing today but the way loma neutralize it was a thing of beauty. It was definitely a close fight but not close enough to give haney the victory. Some fights are close but they ve definitive winner and loma was a clear victor in this fight.
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@@tumchojami8866 haney controlled most of the fight
@Lions Truth lol facts
Bivol has the best jab in boxing.
Disagree ! Close fight ! U should be a championship fight in the hands of the judges. Haney 's earlier body work and great ring generalship & high boxing IQ neutralized Loma , Neither fighters has no power but this will handicap both fighters when facing " Tank" ......Shakur, Haney & Loma" has a high boxing IQ but " Tank ' has all his tool his tool box. The best thing for Loma is to go back down to 130lbs and Haney to vacate his belt and move up to 160lbs weight class cuz Tank is going toj destroy everything in the 135lbs weight claa
Loma controlled the distance - controlled that jab and controlled any bullying - he couldn’t control the body shot - but he stopped Haney from
Having anything meaningful outside of a bodyshot…. And the body shot didn’t affect loma in comparison to what loma landed. I thought loma was going stop Haney at one point.
Loma Luke's to count his own punches that land, and if he feels he was outlanded he'll get those points back. He must've felt like he was so ahead in points, that he didn't need to stop HANEY
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His face says otherwise
Man the way Haney turning with Loma is beautiful. I’ve never seen anyone do that with him and have success
@jamesdeer3129 Teo had pressure, power and Loma wasn’t even throwing punches. That’s what led to his success. Commey? Lmaoooooooooooooooooo You’re trolling
I had the fight 115-113 either way or tie. The judges were not fair at all, this fight was set up for Haney to keep growing with Top Rank and for Loma to think about retirement. But they didn’t know that Loma was going to make a good fight. Judge Dave Morretti (116 - 112 😂) has had controversial scores in the last few years. I hate to admit it but there is corruption everywhere.
I don’t think a 116-112 is a robbery
You had it it 115-113 either way and two of the judges had it 115-113. How were they not fair?
@@Mindag13he didn’t think that far into it that’s what happens when your a fanboy lmao
They scored it what you scored it as…where is the unfairness? And 116-112 means that he saw one more swing round then you did.
@@Mindag13 Have you ever cheered for a white guy against a black guy?
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Great mini analysis Gems..Haney deserves more credit for displaying good skills at his age and showing that he can hang against someone who is as experienced as Loma is..later matchups will be difficult for Haney but you can’t count him out at all…
I tell people the same thing even doe I feel like loma won haney surprised me putting pressure at times and being aggressive being able to dictate the action something I tought he was not going to be able to do with loma I was a great fight just the judges dropped the bag I think they boxing council should mandate a rematch or make haney vacate
Well if he's like any other notable young fighter in the past that struggled with a wily vet in a controversial fight (Oscar vs Sweet P) comes to mind, he should improve and actually be better prepared for the opponents that many, are now counting him out against.
He's a welterweight fighting an aged featherweight by spamming a high % near unblockable right hand to the body... Come on his stock went down
@@RossKempOnYourMum01 exactly. Remember Haney and all his fans said this was easy work, he’s too small, too old. Haney got exposed big time and his dad got exposed for being an amateur level trainer
@@andrewmarshall3519 just because his fans said that doesn’t change the reality. Loma is a certified HOFer with over 400 fights. At 24 to be able to beat him says a lot
Very nice breakdown, Gems!! People keep ignoring, no matter who won or lost, the skills and adjustments exhibited from each opponent. Too many discredit Haney's punches like they're nothing, while I admit Loma's were more powerful, the former certainly aint true.. You actually give both fighters their props where it's needed, so big respect to you 🐐.
Not gonna lie, HANEY fought much better and technically sound than I thought he would
🙏🏾 The full breakdown shows the bigger picture.
@@hakeemolajuwon4352 Same, I lost money on Loma a$$ 😂
@@tanyabrewer4391 yeah right lol nobody believes that
I felt like the body shots had more power
Would have been nice to see a little more of what Loma did right here. Otherwise, good stuff as always 👌
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@@NWO2023Fair enough, that was my thought as well haha
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A lot of these body shots are hitting Lomas tucked elbows
A lot of em hit Loma’s body that’s why he started to slow down on the flurries
@@Yonwrld 10, 11 was Loma best rounds. So what you mean it slowed him down? Of course some hit but a third didn’t
@@elliottmaynard9610 UA-cam has taken doen all frame by frame punch landed videos by @ArtoriasBoxing @boxingpunchstats @ClaimerUncut @JackTalksBoxing ... All of those contents had LOMA won rounds by a larger margin. It wasn't even close... One the other hand, All Haney video analysis of the rounds that favor wasn't taken down. ... We are seeing a great deal of censorship by the US boxing mafia to protect Haney... shame on USA. Dont be fooled!
thats not what loma told his coach in the corner.....he said "my ribs hurt"
No. Those straight rights were to the mid section very hard to block in open stance. U almost HAVE to move away or around to defend against it.
After the 9th Haney asked his corner for advice. He said Loma knows we going left. His Dad offered no adjustments and Haney went on to get dominated the 10th and 11th. He need a new trainer
You’re right. he wasn’t dominated. I meant those were Loma rounds and Haney was visibly hurt in both of those rounds.
@@2playschemeo.p.croutes724this guy lion spends his whole day on knee pads. he's a casual that only talks about devin 😂
@@2playschemeo.p.croutes724 Bro dont take advice from that guy he has no clue wtf he talking about.
@Lions Truth agreed, but a better adjustment could have been given from the corner... regardless the 2nd of the 2 lefts didnt land much but took haney off of being able to position himself to counter it. only way would have been to slip or double slip while moving backward and following with a 2 or 6-3-2.
I see u left out the 12th rd where Haney won 😂😂😂fucking hater
Most of them body shots weren't even landing
They were, him tucking his elbows makes it seem is if they didn’t but he made contact with the body alot more than you think.
I scored Loma winning the fight but because the fight was so close I figured he’d lose. He would have had to win convincingly to take the belts.
he lacked control. majority of the fight. all loma had to really do was take the 12th round convincingly.
Dam gems why u do is like that I’ll love a whole 12 round film study bro …do it for the fans big bro ..your the best on UA-cam BY FAR 💯
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@@justsomechillsmusic oh Ard thanks for the update on that I didn’t know why ,thanks bud
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I thought it took Loma to long to get into his bag just like the teo fight and he almost came back but lost the last round so I had it 7-5 Haney. People get confused when a fighter wins late round’s because that’s what they remember but Haney definitely was winning early
Yep. I had 7-5 or 8-4 live and second watch. People’s preflight expectations of how Devin was going to fight vs what he actually did is really impacting how much “success” they believe Loma had as well.
Only was able to give Loma 3,7,10 and 11
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Great vid as always
Been waiting on this one 😭😭. You're not the hero the community deserves but the one it needs😂.
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Great breakdown. Haney looked a giant next to Loma and must have outweighed him by 20 lbs when they stepped into the ring. If Haney couldn't hurt Loma it will be interesting to see how well he does when he moves up in weight.
Been waiting for this break down!!!
Nope check where the body shots landed. My vision is 20/20. It connected to the elbow of loma. Hope the photographers can post their shots. Theres several shots also seen devin using his elbow to the face of loma. Nasty fighter
He partially blocked and countered a lot of body shots
Not many of Haneys punches actually landed in the footage
Too many to count, then?
Haneys success is misses and glove shots, swear people are just reaching to match judges with Haney scoring
You can clearly see Loma landing the more effective and cleaner punches all night
Love this channel..you always do a great job!!
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Lomachenko won that fight very clear, boxing politics
Loma won round 11 very clear. But the fight was close tbh and could have gone either way but Haney edged him a lot in the early rounds
@@MrBond-tv1eu there is not either way, in boxing, there is a winner there is a loser, the count the fight by punches if they would have counted by round probably lomachenko would have won , the only problem lomachenko had he doesn't have the power to fight big guys , but he did very well
ESPN commentary had everyone fooled 😢😅
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That duck under move to avoid the angles was giving Loma lots of trouble and netting free body shots. It’s funny how the success of Haney’s has been ignored by most of boxing media. You gotta ask your guy Tim Bradley why they downplayed all this live during the telecast
Cuz it was not anywhere near as effective as Loma's multiple combinations per round. Do you realize there wasn't a single round where Loma didn't land a 3 punch combination right to Haney's face?
@@hakeemolajuwon4352 he wasn't doing shit... He didn't do nothing but get his ribcage beat up all night
@mont brink seriously? None of those body shots had any sting on them. Some hit flush, many were grazing and many were at full extension with nothing on them. It's literally all Haney a welterweight could do against Loma with his massive reach advantage.
@@teggianosalerno5050 yeah they were counting the body shots that Haney barely even got the tip of his glove too reach Loma. Yet at the same time, they're trying to discredit all the combinations Loma was landing making HANEY'S head snap all the way back
@@montbrink4700 you're a joke without a punchline
Superb Analysis and boxing reference points.Very great Video Beloved.
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I appreciate the film study on this fight it shows people that this was a close and great fight so to me it never was a robbery! it just happened to be a close fight And the unpopular decision got a lot of people in their feelings. But everyone has to agree that Haney had Loma not looking like The matrix in 7 out of those 12 rounds. And no matter how much people cry and be upset about the decision. it's official Haney for the victory. So now let's move on!
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Appreciate it bro
Why is 90% of the video showing Haney's body shots. and 10% showing Loma scoring ? all the Haney fans keep talking about are the body shots. but not one of the body shots did any damage. Loma never buckled one time. never even backed up or looked like he was hurt from any of them. not once. and every round that was given to Haney could've easily of been judged either way because they were that close. but the rounds that Loma won were not close rounds. and the 11th round Loma totally took control. more so than any round that was given to Haney. I do think it was a close fight. but I consider Loma being robbed because it is very obvious that one judge was not going to let Loma win. giving a 116 to 112 score says it all. it was corrupt.
no it wasnt a robbery. most of the rounds were close. but if you give the close rounds to the reigning Champion who unified the belts then there you have the results
@@internet_dude shutup goofy 😂
@@lickashot this a grown man sport, kiddo.
@@internet_dude Yet your analysis is biased. So in this video, if it takes a bunch of casuals to make up stories on how Haney won, that means you guys aren't even sure if he did.
@@lickashot what analysis? i just said the unclear rounds go to the champion. you must be the casual. no ones bout to gift loma all belts he had to convincingly take them. as soon as loma had an advantage and had him in the ropes he let up and went bk to the middle of the ring
Love your break downs! Very informative!
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I rewatched the 5th round because you said in another post loma was stunned then. Couldn't find any moment that happened. Can you post the time at which this happens?
I want to see boxing have 11 three minute rounds and then a 12 minute 12th round with no decisions. Either KO, TKO, Corner throws in towel or draw. Take the judges out of the equation. If 2 guys can go for 45 minutes and especially with a 12 minute final round, that is a draw. Why even have judges? Fuck that.
Its up to the boxer to take it away from the corrupt panel.
I was waiting on this one☝️
Great Analysis as usual!!!
I think people are calling robbery because the rounds that Loma won, primarily 10 and 11 , were very dominant and the ones Haney won were close.
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Not as close as people's eyesight the judges are so unbiased too
Been waiting on this
Excellent breakdown!
Even if you had Loma winning, give Haney his due, such a good tactician for someone his age.
Honestly if he didn't have such a huge reach and size advantage, he would've liked far far worse than he did.
@@hakeemolajuwon4352 Thats such a stupid comment
I'm a firm believer that Loma won but would've been ok with a draw but I get annoyed by people saying he got robbed or that he destroyed Haney. I was impressed by Haney and honestly didn't really like him too much before the fight but after the fight I have a lot of respect for him and he boxed well. I personally believe this is one of those rare fights that pushes both fighters up the p4p rankings even with one of them losing.
@@hakeemolajuwon4352 that’s boxing, someone will always have an advantage somewhere but don’t act like Loma doesn’t have advantages too. His hand speed is a little better and his feet are quicker, he’s basically a white Pacquaio without the pop.
@@JoshuaMaciel yup, it’s takes away from what was a high level example of the sport.
My friend has a computer program he put the fight through it and it was close but lomo had it by a couple of rounds tested on hundreds of fight 98.9%correct on all fights maybe time to get computerised?
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At the end of the twelve I truly had no idea who won that fight. I knew it was close, and I know both men fought their asses off.
Boxing Gems what happened to shorts of Loma & Haney fight 🤔🤔
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Both are great boxers but at the end of the day who landed more? It was Loma, Loma landed more that night,Loma won,Haney was gifted with the decision
Great Breakdown. I’m here before this comment section turns into a warzone. 😂
He’s really good analyzing fights
Man this fight divided the gym but i did enjoy breaking technically side down as southpaw i always like seeing high level open stance matches
"the American judges on the top rank, Bob Arum Card were crooked"
Lomachenko, The Top Rank, Bob Arum favorite fighter fought Jermaine Ortiz,in a Razor close fight, that was officiated by 3 AMERICAN judges..in New York City
One of those had it an Incomprehensible 117-111 to Lomachenko. Gave just 3 rounds to Ortiz... The American.
The others had it 116-112, 115-113. Unanimously. In a fight that the Crowd thought Ortiz won, that Even Usyk sitting ringside thought Ortiz won.
Where was the outcry to Penalize the Judge that had it 117-111? Like they are for Morretti.
Where was the outcry for Ortiz being widely scored against in a fight he arguably won.
Kills the "American in america" bias. Lomachenkos entire pro career was conjured in America. The fans that pay
for and attend his fights are American. He is loved more here, than actual American Haney. Was fighting on his own promotion, Haney being the free agent on a deal by deal basis. And arums PLAN was to make Stevenson vs Loma for undisputed.. Yet the narrative is that it was rigged for Haney? How??! Why?
I’ll answer loma is white European especially Slavic the Jews hate him Ffs stop playing this bullshit cause if it was true loma would be undefeated what money would Ortiz Vs Haney make at that time wake you pleb
L loma got schooled and as left in tears like a female. Go focus on Russia
Loma beat the crap outta Ortiz too, and the scrape he had on his eye in that fight came from the tape on Ortiz glove not a punch. Nobody thought Ortiz won except for Loma haters.... By the way, Ortiz will ko HANEY without a problem
@@Regalman Loma got schooled?! You probably think LeBron is the goat too lol
Facts!!!
Many of this people "fighting" against corruption in boxing, don't say a word in that fight between Loma vs Ortiz. Ortiz isn't a popular boxer and he doesn't have a big fanbase, so is predictable the result, Loma winning because is more popular and sell more, but the fight was so close.
They call the fight between Loma vs Ortiz like a close fight, but at the same time they say Loma vs Haney was a robbery, hahah what hypocrisy.
Been waiting for this
Watching this before it gets taken down
Note to gems: The live film studies are too long, can you make a chuck sizes video out of them instead of 1hr (while going through all noticeable details) please and thank you.
Nope lol
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Commentator talks about how Haney landed to the body= the body shows him missing almost all the body shots
This is the one I've been waiting for.
One of the main things I notice whenever I watch this fight which u pointed out is how many times Devin countered lomas pivots which gave most of his opponents tons of trouble
Biased video I bet.
Good catch on that lead leg slip i didnt pay attention to that
Phenomenal breakdown 👌
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Neither fighter possesses the kind of punch either Davis or Stevenson possesses. Lomachenko’s punches are even weaker than Haney’s. Lomachenko counts on judges giving his little pitty pat touches the same weight as the heavier punches being landed by his opponent. Lomachenko couldn’t compete with the heavier punching Haney, let alone with Stevenson or the devastating puncher Davis. A better matchup would be a fight with the newly minted lightweight Inoue.
Beautiful breakdown. Loved it.
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I take it the rest is on patreon due to how rough UA-cam is on using this footage? Also the sad reality is we never change the result of a bout even if we analyze and point out how the other fighter shouldve won or if we argue a draw this is why i never take a analysis vid too personally. Great vid gems
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BFS what happen with the shorts u had displaying the fight & some of the hidden Things that happen in the fight
Blocked. Got a copyright strike for one.
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But the body shots were ineffective didn’t slow Loma at all,he got faster and won rounds 3,4 ,7,8 9,10,11.Loma was cheated.
No they wasn't that your opinion it reason why Loma didn't truly start his attack in the later rds because those body shots+ few shot early in the fight as well
@@michaelallen8112 So this guy put in the time and effort to capture and score each of punch in the early rounds that people seem to think Haney won. If you think he’s wrong, prove it! This isn’t a opinion, it’s factual!
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We now saw Loma beat in 3 ways. He an ok fighter, but it’s time to let it go. He is not a gatekeeper.
Most people think he won unless their both gate keepers
Loma beat in 3 ways? You mean his losses? 2 robberies and 1 defeat against Teo?
You negated to mention that Haney is a chronic diver and well bend so far down at the waist he's practically kissing his toes half the night and he'll remain down there for extended periods until the ref steps in knowing full well if an opponent continues to punch him it will almost certainly be considered an illegal shot at the back or kidneys. Haney also likes to hold, A LOT. And he'll hold on tight any and every time he feels like he's in the least bit of danger. And then we have Haney's turn tactic where instead of bending down and kissing his toes he'll simply turn completely around exposing his back until the ref steps in. And then lastly, and my favorite thing about Haney's Bitch style of boxing is that he likes to spike his elbow out before starting an offensive attack. He's lucky he didn't severely hurt Loma several times during their fight with that disgusting elbow spike Haney uses. He literally uses his elbow to spike other fighters. A spike that could easily do significant damage to his opponents.
Great analysis! Another reason of loma landing more eye catching blows, imo, is because haney using that phily shell pull-dip defense too much. He gets low a lot so loma stays on top of him and control his neck. This position makes loma’s attack becomes more eye catching. If Haney uses a physical high guard a bit more, it will open more counter opportunities and definitely make loma seems less dominant
@Lions Truth definitely! I watched 2-3 fights of haney and i think this defense pattern is quite automatic for him. Probably needs to add more to his arsenal
You should do a video comparing shakur and floyd
Hey gems I wanted to ask something tangentially related, is Haney’s lack of power down to something wrong in his technique?? (and if so I was wondering if you could point it out) and if Haney had better power on his pinched does that change the makeup of the fight in any way?? And great breakdown as always
A lot of these guys purposely don’t sit down on a lot of punches. They sacrifice power for quick reaction or defense. Haney has enough pop to make the vast majority of fighters to not get overly reckless.
More power would definitely change up his style a bit and his fights but I’m not saying it would make him better necessarily
Appreciate the reply and knowledge. So is the sacrifice these fighters are making a result of a general decline in skill or just a preference coaches and fighters have in this day and age?? I’m basically asking if there any skills todays boxers could learn that would allow to sit down n their punchers when needed and still stay safe or if getting power in punches means that you just have to live with a decrease in defense and quick reaction??
@@maema539 Yes of course. Normally it’s the ability to distribute weight/slip and load sides properly. It isn’t easy to master. However the slip or pre-slip will put the majority of their weight on the lead or back leg so the power properly comes from the ground up with the rotation of their hips. Then they have to learn to get their head off the line post punch as well. The issue is normally setting these loaded punches up without a tell.
Cool Gems, appreciate the explanation. This boxing thing really isn’t as simple as it seems on the surface😅
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Damn u broke that down to clearly! Haney was genius
I think I said Loma would always get inside, but if Haney took away that angle with his feet, the fact that he doesn't have a great frame game or inside D' should make things harder for Loma.
Yeah
Do you think Haney would do better using the Philly Shell exclusively when he's fighting on the inside? I know he scrapped it after he got cracked by Linares, but what he's doing now doesn't seem to be working.
Nope. Especially not vs southpaws
A close fight can't be a robbery, if that's the case canelo have robbed a few
you know how i know loma won... they way he reacted when they gave him the decision. Never once has he jumped up and down and screamed like he was a kid and just got a PS5 for christmas after a fight.
Not even when he became undisputed, which was the biggest win... for all the belts😂😂😂 don't even get be started on the endless stuttering lmao, he couldn't believe it
Loma going to the weak side against taller orthodox philly user is not so efficient.
He gets hit less there but he got less target option as well as you can't hit the back, especially when opponent can easily roll and duck and move outta range.
A really safe position, but will make Devin recover too.
Might've work better against square stance, but not against bladed stance.
Dope!!!!
Good analysis, buts it’s still about landing punches clean
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