Haney vs Stevenson: THE FILM STUDY
Вставка
- Опубліковано 13 чер 2024
- Haney vs Stevenson film study
#devinhaney
#shakurstevenson
#boxing
#boxingskills
#boxingtraining
Boxing Showtimes App:
app.boxingshowtimes.com/qfAS/...
BETUS Online Sportsbook:
bit.ly/2ZSwWTT-BETUS
EMAIL FOR PRIVATE FILM ANALYSIS INQUIRIES:
Boxinggems22@gmail.com
BOXING GEMS MERCH STORE:
/ @boxinggems
Support the channel by becoming patron! Catch exclusive content that falls through the UA-cam cracks! / boxinggems
Soundtrack by Rize of Upper Echelon
gorize@gmail.com (Tell him boxing gems sent you if you’re interested in beats)
soundcloud.app.goo.gl/jhQvs
Support the channel: Boxing Gems is on Cash App where you can donate whatever value you feel the content is worth: cash.app/$boxinggems
Follow Boxing Gems:
Instagram
@boxing.gems
TikTok
@boxinggems
Twitter
@GemsBoxing
Facebook group
/ 961273174455369 - Спорт
Thanks for the opportunity Gem 💎. 🔥🔥
💪🏾 It wasn’t going to happen unless you did it fam
Very good commentary. 🤜🤛
Good job bro
Joey putting that work in. Nice job man 💯
Phenomenal commentary brother , thanks for the breakdown much love
I saw footage of a sparring session between the two and it definitely looked like although Haney was physically bigger Shakur was able to handle him fairly easy. Watching your breakdown I know see why. Shakur’s style is perfect against Haney. Still would be a great fight as both guys are super talented.
Definitely and also keep in mind both fighters are still growing into that prime man power that was a lil time ago. They’re both better now!
Just remember Devin was only 16 in that sparring.
Shakur is older than Haney, which at that time means a lot. He was also preparing for the his trials and Olympics while Devin was helping him.
Idk, it looked like a good back and forth to me
He was young asf
Ok now Joey👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾. Gems you a real one bro. Yall definitely gotta get that team together cuz yall can change most fans from being casual to students with passion for the sport instead of the business. Then they'll have no choice but to give us better match ups. Thanks for the breakdown fellas 🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾
You see the vision fam! 💪🏾
And the young guns around the world would be better too. If they have access to youtube they need to sub to Boxing Gems. I got Shakur coming out on top of that 135 division. Only person that can derail him is Tank.
@@pjpomare3598 facts.
I've always favored Shakur over Haney. This film is a great breakdown as well. Well done 👏
Help spread the knowledge, smack that like button and SHARE the video! Fight Fam Salute!
Do a lomachenko vs Haney breakdown
On one hand, Shakur's success has been against smaller less skilled opponents, there is no guarantee that he will be able to out grapple larger more talented fighters.
A control and manipulation/clinch game isn’t about strength necessarily. It’s skillful. The stronger man doing it looks different. A good example of a fighter with brut strength using control and manipulation is Beterbiev. That looks a lot different.
On the other hand, Haney looked uncomfortable whenever Kambosos switched to southpaw. Kambosos didn't capítalize, but the switch created the desired advantages ffor which it is intended all fight. You can't give Loma or Tank those angles and outside front foot position.
Shakur is showing he can adjust in the actual fight. He can always find a way. Smart boxers always do.
“November 38th in your dreams” 🤣great breakdown/film study 🔥
💪🏾 Joey Gems 😂
Honestly I find it hard to predict this fight I will need to see Haney against another southpaw before coming to a conclusion it’s been almost 2 years since Diaz he’s improved since then. And tbh shakur hasn’t fought anybody even as good as Diaz in his career so far. Great breakdown tho
Haney has been fighting orthodox fighters. Saying his skills have improved vs southpaws is a guess.
Is Diaz better than Valdez? I don’t know about that.
@@BoxingGems yh that’s why I said it’s difficult to predict for me cos I haven’t seen haney fight a southpaw in almost 2 years. If Diaz and Valdez were to fight I’d pick Diaz to win he gave Gary Russell a decent fight. Btw I barely disagree with my guy gems just my opinion bro😂
It’s all love fam we’re just talking boxing. Diaz vs Valdez, (depending how he looks vs Zepeda) I might favor Diaz as well but only because it would be Valdez moving up in weight where Diaz is acclimated.
Valdez is not better then Diaz? Concasiao aswell?
@@KD-vq2wt hell no😂
I still think a Devin Haney vs Shakur Stevenson is a 50/50 fight
I got Shakur. His power is actually underrated. He dropped his last 3 opponents. Finished Herring, and Robson survived but was carried out on a stretcher. That don’t happen from just being out pointed.
He was over weight wasn’t he?
@@lovehatesports7077 a pound And a half does all that?
@@alexprice5479 😂😂😂 they looking for any reason
@michael h go look it up
@@alexprice5479shakur a weight bully bro. He be on that SNAC cheating
Class In Session 🔥💪🥊
💪🏾
1st: This videos is incredible
2nd: shoutout Gems & Joey 💯
3rd: Shakur by UD, everything in this video is spot on
💪🏾 Thanks fam
i got devin, by UD. he gotta work shakurs body first few rounds then end up top.
Joey’s point about Haney having to sell out as the fight progresses is a high possibility and a great point. However, I can’t see Haney actually doing it. And if he did, he’d risk getting stopped. Keep in mind though that Haney is VERY young. So by the time they actually fight, he may develop more against southpaws. I think his next fight vs. Loma will say a lot as far as his maturation in open stance fights. Let’s see if he’s improved at all because we can only go off of what actually happens on film. One thing’s for sure is that he’s putting in the work. My biggest concern for Haney would be defending back hand punches in open stance fights. I think he can figure out how to get his jab to be more effective with proper game planning and repetition. But defense is reactive as opposed to being initiated like a jab would be. He’s been defending that way for a very long time in those scenarios. He may find those habits much harder to break. But what the hell do I know?
That's a good assessment if you ask me
@@coachjoey22 Thanks bro!💪🏽💪🏽
He fought Jojo different because he was trying to make a statement like Kambosos said he needed to get the fight with him he threw a career high in power punches specifically body shots
But yes this fight vs Loma will answer alot of questions
@@TexRock good stuff tex
@@RebelLyfeBoxing80 Appreciate that Fam!💪🏽
The sparring between the 2 was pretty equal I would say. Shakur was looking better on the outside 60% of the time but Hanry was more successful on the inside 80% of the time and probably landed the harder shots being a right cross coming forward.
Gotta disagree but I respect your opinion
They had a sparring 4 years ago it wasn’t even close. Shakur schooled him
💎 is the best boxing channel no fucking question
💪🏾 Much appreciated fam
Another great breakdown, didn't realise there was more than one man doing these videos. Both of you have good knowledge
There isn’t. This is a first for a film study. Thanks fam!
Cheers to another phenomenal job , at breaking down the sweet science#BoxongGems Godspeed
That was my guy Joey but thanks fam
Joey, you do a fantastic job, and know your stuff. Back in the day I started watching because of you, though, Ryan. Please don't take my nostalgia away, brother 😢 Love you all, God Bless You All.
Excellent video!
Excellent breakdown Joey! 🤴🏿
Haney is improving with every fight. He is the youngest out of that 135 to 140 crop. I like them all. It will be on any given night for either of them.
incredible work as always 💯
💪🏾
Breakdown is right on point!
Love you guys breakdowns. Coach Barry would be proud
I will go with Shakur as well, because the professor has spoken. Great break down of these 2 great fighters.
I have Shakur by UD or possible Tko Stoppage. Tho Shakur isn’t a big puncher. I think he is crafty enough to catch Devin walking into something .. and Devin when hurt takes a little while to recover.
🍺 u drunk ?
@@EliteOoter are you? A year ago Devin was weight drained @ 135, just struggled to beat an Old declining Loma. If he’d stayed for one more fight at 135 vs Shakur, he’d got UD’d or Stopped. I stand one that.
@@ericr4677 😂😂 lmaoo why didn’t he accept the 25% then ?
@@EliteOoter no clue. Bad business decision
@@ericr4677 he know what yall don’t know
Joey did that!!!! GOOD SHIT @GEMS 🥊🥊
💪🏾
Great work Joey, I enjoyed this breakdown!
Joey Gems!!! 💪🏾
@@BoxingGems 😂 I like the name
Great video💪
💪🏾
Y'all are just the best
Much love fam. Thanks for all the support! 💪🏾
Vamos! 🤜🤛🥳 Class in session!
💪🏾
Thanks!
Much love Dirty Red!
This The One I Been waiting for let’s get man let’s do it 😅
💪🏾
Gotta get back on my grind. I’ll start by watching some film
This is a fight I would love to see
Excited to watch this!
💪🏾
A true boxing teaching channel. Thanks for your work. I was supposed how much Valdez touched Shakur.
💪🏾
Lol gems had to outsource the fantasy film study great job joey💯
FACTS!!! 😂 It wasn’t going to get done if he didn’t do it.
I think Shakur will surprise everyone, and Haney... I actually see Shakur developing into more a boxer/puncher... The old adage: "Punchers are born, not made"... Which is somewhat correct, but the best punchers are grown, that is, they evolve after mastering how, where & when to place punches, with unnoticed speed and force... Indeed, the sweet science.
Shakur is the best I've seen since Sugar Ray Robinson... He is a young MASTER, who will continue to evolve into an uncanny connection & awareness of the oneness of it all... Such cannot be written or articulated, but I assure you, I know exactly what I am saying, at 71, never been to the doctor.
Self employed, came up in the streets, constant incarceration, and boxed my way thru it all... Did not take any losses. Not bragging.., I am also a Master artist, and have never been employed.., accept for myself. I live by my skills, as I know and learned from the Sweet Science, it is a philosophy and a way of life...
Watch Shakur evolve... You all will see that I am 💯
I'm born n raised Newark NJ but even I would not even speak SRR out my mouth. That man fought 2-4 times a month chit once a week. Shakur needs about 5-10 years of dominance before I use that comparison
He fought a southpaw with Regis... now we gotta revisit
Yessir, This Fight would Maybe be a 50/50 Fight But Shakur Inside control & how he can break you Down lil by lil once he finds his range should tell you how it’s possible for him to dominate.
💪🏾
Then it ain't 50/50. 75/25
Good video my dude
Good break down of this match up but this fight will never happen at 135 only at 140
Good one
🙏🏾
I'm 100 percent in agreement.
💪🏾
Agree,..!!!
Bro you're the Goat 🐐.
Gahhdamn gems...this video made me eat ice cream!! You and Joey are gurus!
💪🏾
That lead hand breakdown is why I got Loma on Loma vs haney when it comes to lead hand control. Loma is a master at that.
Shakur vs Loma however 🤔. That’s a harder one to call. Even inside game is harder to call.
I mean Loma is small, tiny even... Strength is a problem for him plus he's like 35 or older. These young lions ain't worried bout him at all...
It definitely seems like loma v Shakur would be a closer fight 👌
Great break down fam.
💪🏾
Awesome stuff! Big up Joey. Quality Breakdown. Hard to see anything other than a Stevenson win on points, likely UD. If you are going to beat Shakur you are going to have to fight him, rough him up and maybe even get a little dirty (not that I am advocating that at all). That just ain't Haney's game. Without Haney's jab firing on all cylinders like it usually does vs orthodox fighters, he is just going to get out boxed, even if he has some success with that southpaw killa. It won't be enough. Haney may have some early success as you eluded too but Stevenson will just adjust and pull away. Cant see Haney letting it all hang out if he needs a KO either.
💪🏾
I couldn’t agree more. Especially at the end where you speak of Haney not being able to sell out.
@@TexRock Yeah definitely. I can't see Haney selling out at all.
Another Great Scientific Breakdown and analysis. I've seen several tapes of good sparring sessions between these two young men. They were younger and already very skilled. I see Shakur Victorious also, probably by UD. That being said Shakur may break him down to the body and effective left crosses, Hooks, and com os for the Dome. Haney has good footwork but I hate that he carries his left low. It's a pet peeve and I get the up jab a la Tommy Hearns. Alas, the Hit.an was a 1 punch killer akin to a Bob Foster in the tall slim crazy leverage and power. Hearns wasn't a Kayo artist in the amateurs but developed into one. Will Haney ever do so?!? He may. Question did you box before??? Look forward to your Post. Peace.
man….this was good 👍🏽….there both improving every fight …but solid breakdown
Oh snap I knew the voice was different. Joey knows his stuff. Great addition
💪🏾
Based on the conceciao fight Haney will hurt shakur with the straight right. I'm telling you he's a sucker for that punch. He doesn't move his head off line and over exploits his southpaw angle. and has now complrtrly commited to cupping his rear hand to his lower collar bone at a significant height disparity to where his lead hand will be probing or blocking. Haney has the speed and reach to do it. And even though Haney may have the lesser defense...I feel like that one LARGE defensive flaw of shakurs will be a fight maker. He is just wide. Wide open to the right hand of a Sharp quick boxer. Haney might have lost their sparring sessions but go see whoo guessed it the right hand punch Haney rocks shakur with I believe in their first session..with no Headgear he's sleep. Lieteraaly. Kur on the ropes is a bad place to be. Haney is a very underrated and dangerous fighter when he takes the lead and has his opponent on the ropes.
Yea you crazy if you think Devin would Sleep Shakur , you talking like we haven’t seen Shakur take hard shots from bigger punches than Devin .. Cmon bro be Foreal
@@Rbeezy440 never said he would TODAY but all those years back he did catch Shakur with multiple right hand shots that without headgear woildve definitely either lost Shakur the round. Or gotten him in serious trouble. I don't care how hard he hits. He's sharp af w it. And for all of Shakurs technical advantages his one biggest tell is that he keeps his backhand to low and to close to his body. Against smaller, less accurate fighters like Oscar and Robson he was able to get away with this. But that one tell alone makes Haney the agresspr in the fight. And removes Shakurs ability to control center ring. I'm order for him to avoid that shot as we saw in the sessions he had rp use his legs more than normal. Whereas Haney was just coming forward..which is actually a position he usually is never in and is deceptively effective at.. (look at the Moran knockout). The consensus seems to be that Shakur would outbox Haney but I beg to differ because unlike the pressure fighters Stevenson has fought Haney is not one..he's awkward when he has to lead. And much quicker than any pressure fighter Shakur has faced amateur or pro with the exception of robeosy Ramirez who beat Shakur..by landing, yeah you guessed it. The right hand. I think Haney shofks everyone..backs Shakur up and makes him overly defensive with that one punch. Wins a close decision. Shakur probably missing less and being slicker but Haney getting through with a power shot that takes the judges attention here and there. Just how I see it.
Damn the whole coterie dropping 🔥I'm finna have to prove my knowledge eventually!!
😂
@boxing gems Who are some other fighters
in your opinion that got some of the best guard manipulation skills in boxing
Joey and Gems in the cut👀
💪🏾
JoAl ! Lol phenomenal brother! Gems, real nigga shit dawg. Shoutout to yall ! Great work
💪🏾
I didn’t know you were dropping this today 😅
💪🏾
Great analysis! I have Haney winning UD.
Nice, did Joey make the script or you? Impressive either way 👌
Joey had the script, I had the edits. Thanks fam
Shakur does all the small things well, i feel like he just has more knowledge
Shout out Joey
My Boy Joey 💪🏿💪🏿💪🏿💪🏿💪🏿
This is a great video. I definitely have this fight going all 12. In who’s favor? Idk these both my guys.
One Love Joey💯🥊
Dame this was good I’m writing notes and shit 😅
💪🏾
We see you Joey 👀The Boxing Gems dream team coming together 💎
Until size starts to become an issue there is no pure boxer at or around 35 that will beat Shakur.
Question, Haney was losing the jab joust against JoJo who isnt known for having an elite jab. Is this just due to inexperience in the open stance matchup? Or do you see this as something Haney will continue to have problems with? Also is there anything one can do to combat Shakur's pins and frames on the inside? We need a THE SYSTEM style video on controls and the inside game👀
Footwork can beat frames and pins. Haney is probably just inexperienced vs southpaws. He can get better
Honestly, depending on how haney beats loma, will judge how close a fight stevenson will be
SHAKUR !!!
Great study but this is only based off 1 fight for both sides and I’ve seen them both be able to do many other different things in other fights
That’s the only film of Haney fighting a southpaw you’re going to find. Valdez and Conceicao were featured as well. But this film study didn’t encompass everything. Only the specifics that Joey thought would make the difference in the fight.
@@BoxingGems I stand corrected
CLASS IN SEASON
💪🏾
Love the breakdown. As much as I support Haney and the way he handles business I got Shakur winning on points. Both are still developing so that could change.
💪🏾
Yeah more joey vids
Was surprised to see that you made no mention of their sparring session from years back. Devin put some pressure on Shakur back then and it worked well in spots.
Because he couldn’t box with shakur 😂😂 watch how he kept fixing that head gear in that sparring
In the sparring skakur was killing him
Your right. He couldn't box with Shakur. So he took it too the streets like Steward used to say and just went after him...what happened he rocks Shakur with a right hand on the ropes that without headgear he'd be whistling Dixie. Haney has a better chin and is more dangerous in 50/50 exchanges. He's taller longer and his straight right hand is more advanced than Shakurs back hand defense.
@@Duel1982 😂😆..ok
I got Shakur. What about Tank vs Shakur or Tank vs Haney? Please break those down. Great video.
That jab problem of Haney’s applies to Loma too. Loma is a master of manipulating the lead hands
He’s too big for Loma
@@36983 he’s been dominating bigger fighters basically his whole career. He’s already fighting 2 weight classes up. Haney gon have to prove it to me
@@alexprice5479 he’s been dominating non elite fighters Bigger than him. He couldn’t do it with Teo and he won’t with Haney in my opinion
@@36983 he was injured against teo. The moment he started throwing punches he started winning rounds.
And what elite fighter has Haney dominated?
@@alexprice5479 🤣 he was injured….please!!! And Haney beats any fighter smaller than him elite or not my guy
Amazing break down I think Haney will make the fight a little closer then UD. But Shakur is Elite where Haney is great Shakur is to much of a complete fighter
Haney did fight another southpaw (aside for Jojo). His name was George Kambosos, the Art of War strategy genius. Lol.
Well, as much as Kambosos tried to fight from the southpaw stance, his natural habits and rhythm steps had him returning back to his orthodox stance. He tried to beat Haney fighting southpaw which is the way to do it. Unfortunately, Kambosos is very right hand dominant from orthodox. I often feel, to be a true natural switch hitter, you want to be without that dominant personality. Dominant mental wiring causes dominant process patterns (such as being right-handed) while leaving other potential patterns dormant (left-hand patterns). Alternatively, a more seamless mental flow state allows for more possible adaptations which can lead to greater effectiveness. There is an Art to Genius.
I wanna see pit bull cruz vs Stevenson
The way to beat haney is to get on the inside with him and then break the clinch when he tries to grab you.
If he can't keep it at a distance he doesn't know how to deal with it. So he either steps away or clinches. With Shakur I don't think that's going to work. If haney can keep Shakur from coming in, that's his winning ticket.
Whether the fight ever happens though 😐
George kambosas was trying that on the inside too strong try to Rough House Lord Devin Haney you going to get knocked out seen that cut huh LOL Devin is hitting his Peak
Ya sleepin not that easy, Haney wouldn’t be undefeated if that was the case.
@@dezcain7045 haney was holding him on the inside. If he can do that it's difficult unless the ref does something
If Shakur can break the hold haney will be a sitting duck
@@MikeStock88 Devin is too strong to let Shakura Stevenson break the hole in my opinion Devin has been fighting the best competition
@@dezcain7045 the ref can also call the foul though cause holding is illegal
This would be a megafight but unfortunately I don't think it happens anytime soon.
I think it will be a close fight but I have a feeling Haney wins that one, but with Tank he gets hit to much and only one good hit from Tank might just knock him out…
Let’s go Joey 🔥🔥
💪🏾 Joey Gems! 😂
Shukar way to sharp comeig out that left stance also
Backing Shak against ANYBODY.
Should be a great chess match. Shakur, being a southpaw and a bit more complete, should get the UD
This is the biggest fight in boxing that the fans deserve. It will be a close fight but I’m going with Stevenson by UD.
I like both, but like you Gem, I have Sharkur separating himself in the later rounds to take the UD!
That was my guy Joey but I agree
So this is basically a Shakur film study Devin was like 22 fighting a Olympic medalists who had experiences but I agree Devin do need to clean up certain things I believe he's going to beat Shakur when it happens
Break it down. What do you see different?
@@BoxingGems I feel like Jojo Diaz had a lot of experience fighting Tevin farmer and Russell Devin also showed you he can adapt and change levels when need be he's bigger longer he faced adversity even shown when you take away his job he finds a way and a question for you who has Shakur Stevenson face on the level of Devin Haney
Problem is Farmer and Russell are southpaws. Haney is orthodox.
I don’t think of levels like you but Shakur hasn’t fought anyone as good as Haney at what Haney does. Haney hasn’t fought anyone as good as Shakur either.
@@BoxingGems I can agree shakura's a threat but I believe Devin will outbox Shakur Stevens or maybe I'm being biased cuz I like Devin more but I like Shakur 2 Devin is the LeBron James Shakur is the Carmelo Anthony
@@dezcain7045 he foguht JoJo two fights ago lmao stop with the bullshit he’s a year older Ffs take your emotions out of this and see with your own eyes shakur beats the shit out of him
Shakur 12 UD is crazy
The King of his division Haney 👑...Hopefully the Lomachenko fight will get made??? Stevenson is special, in my opinion he beats all of them."Pops"#truschoolsports🥊🥊
Kur used to beat him up in sparring as far as I know but Haney has improved massively since then & has developed an imposing physique. His physicality is what's gonna be the difference in pros. If you go back and watch their sparring tape, they were basically teens back then but now Haney looks SO MUCH bigger compared to Shak. Skillwise, Shakur is better, don't think that anybody who has a pair of eyes on them will argue, but damn this boy is strong now.
If Haney was more skilled in his physical controls then I’d agree.
Facts but kur did not beat him up stop it, sparring is sparring. Haney was the younger of the two
@@BoxingGems teach fam
@@Himreacts98 by a year bro it ain’t that much plus Haney had the size advantage even back then and shakur still got the best of him but we shall see
This going to be a good fight whenever it happens I'm riding with Devin on the split decision though
This makes a good case why Loma will beat Haney as well.
Did you do a breakdown for Diaz Zepeda?
Nah there is no film that I could find of Zepeda vs southpaws
@@BoxingGems Oh okay! I figured you would have done one already.
First off I got to say I’m a fan of channel and new to boxing I think Shakur is the better boxer out of two he gets hit less to me and more of the puncher but I do feel like Haney has the tools to beat him ( athleticism/size ) & even tho shakur dominated his last fight I do feel like he can be vulnerable to right hands bc he never really moves his head and I think if Haney is to win it would be by a right hand and more aggressive style he can’t outbox shakur period. Thoughts ??
Answered in Joey’s video
Agreed 100%. People are sleep on Haney skillset and seem like most just don't like Haney as much as Shakur. Devin skillset is right up there with Shakurs but he is bigger, longer and more athletic. The guys Shakur fought in a older Herring and a small Valdez played into his hands. Haney is much better in every way then them. Even looking st the sparring when Haney was 16 and Shakur 18 b4 Devin went pro. It was close and of the 3 rounds I gave 2 to Haney. Shakur is the best at what he does but Devin has better physical tools and skill for skill is right up there plus he has more tools in general imo. It will be a good one but idk why people are so convince Shakur washes Haney. It's weird.
When speakin of inside fighting how do u just skip over Haney vs Jorge Linares?
The last fight vs a southpaw which was after the Linares fight is better to study. Plus, Linares isn’t more skilled on the inside than Diaz and Diaz isn’t as skilled on the inside as Shakur. Shit, Linares was relaxing on the clinch/hold and getting hit for it. That’s not a inside fighter. Haney was physical on the inside at times, but it wasn’t exactly skillful. A lot of 50/50’s, a lot of holding just like Joey said in this video.