Religion and Politics - Full Debate
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- Опубліковано 2 жов 2024
- Raaye Saazi conducted the fifth public debate at The Blackhole Islamabad on 8th June, 2024. The motion read, “Pakistan’s future is doomed as long as its politics remains wedded with religion”. The proposition team was comprised of Dr. Pervez Hoodbhoy, renowned physicist, author, and social commentator; Ms. Amber Rahim Shamsi, journalist and political commentator; and Barrister Waqqas Mir, advocate Supreme Court and a seasoned debater. The team opposing the motion comprised of Mr. Aneeq Ahmed, ex-caretaker federal minister of religious affairs and TV show host; Mr. Fahad Ali Kazmi, religious researcher, academic, and TV personality; and Mr. Sarmad Wali Khan, lecturer of political science and a seasoned debater. The event saw a full-house attendance and drew diverse demographics including students, young journalists, and people from multiple walks of life.
Raaye Saazi: Debating for the Future is a peacebuilding initiative, aiming to discourage the prevalent intolerance in Pakistan by making the culture of debate common in the public sphere. The project hopes to serve as a public avenue for building an alternative and people-centric narrative over issues of national importance.
Why Hoodbhoy want to play expert on everything, when he has no Knowledge of Hinduism/Sanatan Dharma
Not everything is Sanatan Dharma... Why are you guys becoming more and more like Muslims? Intolerant and defensive?
Sahi baat, Aaj ke baad asa nahi hoga
@@karolbagh3793 I agree. In fact was disappointed with his response on Hinduism /BJP May it was to appease the Pakistani Maulvi’s and many were sitting there that he’s not favoring Hinduism over Islam. However, he should have done more research on India, and Sanatism
Sab ki fati padi hai khi blasphemy na lg jae.
😂😂😂😂
Hoodboy always try equal sanatan = Islamic jahide but that is wrong
All extremism is wrong. Don't whitewash hindutva.
Qaiser Ahmad raja, Sahil Adeem, amaan Bhai and opponents Syed munzamil, shehzad gias, dr Taimoor .
So think about what the debate offffff❤
Qaiser Ahmed Raja must have been invited to this debate... Then, it would be a remarkable one.
Qaiser ne Jo teer marne hain woh bhi sab ko pata perlay darjay ka jahil hae woh, lanti hae woh.
@@rudivanklugi3529😂😂😂😂 tabi to tere tod boy sasu nikl jata oska naam sunke open challenge diya debate ka
Dr Hoodbhoy talk reality of this culture,,,Hypocrisy in this culture,,he did not talk against religion.
The other party Aniq & Co is turning the debate towards religion,,nobody talked against religion,,they did not talk with arguments typical Pakistani Culture,,hypocrisy
Why is the 3rd speaker shouting?
Big screams, but little wool.
His arguments have nothing to do with what was asked.
As a Muslim, I posit, that the opposition could not rebut rational or religious arguments.
No doubt Islam is a great religion but the way it is used in politics is not tantamount to the core of Islamic teachings.
Such debates are meant to be conducted respectfully and objectively, not subjectively or by setting personal scores.
I might be amiss; I am open to other notions.
Thank you for reading.
The religious side defending Religion with Pakistan seemed very childish, displaying offence and ego hurting attitude instead of talking about defending their case.
Dr Pervaiz Hoodhbhoy and his team were much more civilised, organised and well spoken.
@user-ox2dt1oq7n سارا جذباتی پن ایک سائیڈ پی رکھ کر امام غزالی کی احیا العلوم جلد دوم صفحہ نمبر ایک سو چار پبلشر مکتبہ مدینہ کراچی کا پڑھ لو پھر سنن ابو داود کو آرام سے پڑھ لو شروع سے آخر تک . پھر آ کر کمنٹ کرو کہ اصل اسلام پہ تم خود بھی عمل کر سکتے ہو یا ایویں جوش و جذبے میں ڈوب کے نعرے مارنے سے کام چلانا ہے
Great debate! Thanks for uploading
Nepal was once a Hindu Rashtra so what happened there? Minorities were presecuted? First correct your country then talk about India.
Qaiser Ahmed Raja saab ko bhi hona chaiye tha
😂😂😂
Exactly.
Audiences was clearly biased
That's unfair
The love of Mr. Aneeq Ahmed for Pakistan is very appreciated, keep fucking it.
WTH are u saying????
Begharit siyasitdaano orr army autoimmune disease ka saara mlba Deen or molvi pr daalna bht aasaan hai 😂😂 Pakistan Naam ka islaami mulk hai qanoon saara ungrezo Yani Maghreb ka hai lekin phir bhi mulk traqi kio nhi kr rha vaja ??? isslia ka hm khud ghalt hai mehnat nhi krtai shortcut dhoondtai hai apnai mulk ka vasail ghlt logo ka haatho mei dekr Deen pr tnz kio ??iss baar education pr budget mei kitnai Arab rs mukhts 50 arb orr benazir income support vaalo ka Lia Yani bhikaario ka Lia 526 arb kia isska molvi zimadaar hai kia ussna kha ka taleem pr km paisai lgoi ya Quran mei likha hai aap khud corrupt ho aapki universities mei 50000 girls ki p** videos niklti kia isska bhi molvi zimadaar hai 😊 Iss mei Islam ka kia qasoor hai Islam to hmaarai mulk mei ha hi nhi 😢to phir aap Pakistani siast ko din e Islam ka saath kio relate kr rhai hai aapko sharm aani chahiai doctor lifebuoy Sahab 😂😂doctor Sahab mei aap sa poochta hoo ka aajtk koi molvi prime minister ya supreme court ka judge bna ?? obviously nhi then how you can say that Pakistan ko Islam sa khtra hai 🤣danger to Pakistan ko aapka corrupt siyasitdaano sa ha jo aapki universities ka products hai madrasso ka nhi then aap universities orr siyasitdaano ko criticize krna chahiai deen ko kio criticize krtai hai aapki debate ka topic hona chahiai tha syast orr syadaano ka gd jorr Pakistan ka tareek future hahaha 😂
Hinduism, sanatan is different from abhramic religion cult.
Man don't get me wrong, I am not fan of Islam either, but Hinduism is not one bit better. It is just as dogmatic as any other religion.
@@ahmadjamalmughal47 haaaaaaa again go wrong path, Hinduism never force you . But you again talk shit
Lol yes same dogmatic people reached moon last year and developdtheir own Covid vaccine @@ahmadjamalmughal47
46:50 the way this speaker got Hoodbhoy's side out of headlock, absolutely brilliant.
All people of support to islam, were very much talking theory and arab culture, they were completely in denial about reality of Pakistan practice and exploitation of non Islamic
Pity the nation that's full of beliefs and empty of religion. - Khalil Gibran
Pity the nation whose scientists turn petty politicians
They are indirectly support jihadist terrorist.They all are hypocrite labeled as intellectual. Apne desh mein ghanta ukad paye baat karte hamare desh bjp modi ki mein bola tha bharat mein loktantra amar hai ye sabit ho gaya ye sab isliye hua 80% hindu major hai isliye sarkar kisi ki bhi aa jaye bharat democracy rahegi tumhare desh bjp seat kam hui is election mein iska matlab kya hai democratic vishwas kara karta rahega ye wo Pakistani intellectual hai jo modi ko gali dete hai hindu state hai tum kahin ke bhi huy jab pakistan bana rahe thay tab tumne unhi mulla maulvi aur nawab zamidaar ka jo pakistan bana rahe thay aaj tuhare pichwade suja diya in logo ne apni karmo ki saza bhugat rahe ho apne desh apne so called religious extremism ko dekthay nahi aur india ke hum hinduo ko extremist batate unke apne desh se compare karte ho 99% Pakistan ke log mandbhuddi sabse bhuddi heen ye intellectual hai jo na tum india samajat ho na bhasha sanskriti na civilization ko jantay nahi vinaskale vipreet bhuddi
So indians knows reality of pakistan more than Pakistanis? lol
@@BarnabasCollins-2nd yes, it is same as, पाकिस्तानी know reality of indian Muslims and india more than indian people
@@krishnavishwakarma1969 No its not! When was first mosque built in india? And who built it?
Swat waqaye par sub Muslims ko mubarakbaad ho. Alhamdulliah, hum nay apna deen nafaz kar diya, Aniq bhai ko Allah Shahdaat ko achi mout ata farmaye, Ameen. ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Zindabad Amber Shamsi… well structured and focused 🎉
as a student of debating , the first fundamental that our debate coaches teaches us is to fight as a team. In this debate, I cannot see both the teams playing as a team. there case was shifting here and there, no one was on the same page, hoodboy talks about how science and islam contradicts each other, Ms shamsi talks about women rights and the third speaker presents the case of curropt politicians. the debate was not structrally correct. But the good thing is the rising of debating culture in pakistan which is amazing.
Throughout the debate, we can clearly see that Team 1, or the secular team, has refrained from criticizing Islam due to the presence of stringent blasphemy laws in Pakistan. I can understand their fear.
Sadly true
The country that created on the basis of a religion is now discussing the cause & effect of religion in politics and democracy 😂😂😂
Jinna's dream is under threat..
India was to be a secular state, what is happening now?
laughing reacts
Argument: West has mental health issues and existential crises.
Hoodboy's response: If the West has these issues, why does every Pakistani want to go there.
Audience: Clapping.
What a joke. I was expecting something good from Hoodboy. I don't know why the audience clapped at his response.
He doesn't have a god damn answer , bcoz they are blinded by the west !
Audience clap for everything, even if you start speaking about killing stories, the Audience will start clapping.
Even the most educated Pakistanis cannot question this non sensical arabic ideology 😂
Begharit siyasitdaano orr army autoimmune disease ka saara mlba Deen or molvi pr daalna bht aasaan hai 😂😂 Pakistan Naam ka islaami mulk hai qanoon saara ungrezo Yani Maghreb ka hai lekin phir bhi mulk traqi kio nhi kr rha vaja ??? isslia ka hm khud ghalt hai mehnat nhi krtai shortcut dhoondtai hai apnai mulk ka vasail ghlt logo ka haatho mei dekr Deen pr tnz kio ??iss baar education pr budget mei kitnai Arab rs mukhts 50 arb orr benazir income support vaalo ka Lia Yani bhikaario ka Lia 526 arb kia isska molvi zimadaar hai kia ussna kha ka taleem pr km paisai lgoi ya Quran mei likha hai aap khud corrupt ho aapki universities mei 50000 girls ki p** videos niklti kia isska bhi molvi zimadaar hai 😊 Iss mei Islam ka kia qasoor hai Islam to hmaarai mulk mei ha hi nhi 😢to phir aap Pakistani siast ko din e Islam ka saath kio relate kr rhai hai aapko sharm aani chahiai doctor lifebuoy Sahab 😂😂doctor Sahab mei aap sa poochta hoo ka aajtk koi molvi prime minister ya supreme court ka judge bna ?? obviously nhi then how you can say that Pakistan ko Islam sa khtra hai 🤣danger to Pakistan ko aapka corrupt siyasitdaano sa ha jo aapki universities ka products hai madrasso ka nhi then aap universities orr siyasitdaano ko criticize krna chahiai deen ko kio criticize krtai hai aapki debate ka topic hona chahiai tha syast orr syadaano ka gd jorr Pakistan ka tareek future hahaha 😂
Mufti yaseer live
Whole debate = islamist bark
Pajeet nikl yahan se
@@aslamkhan8362 Pata nahi Kaya bol raha hai , but I know pig
After watching whole video I am really missing Qasir Ahmad Raja.
Baised .
Misinterpretation regarding History of islamic phase
It would have been more interesting to have Qaisar Ahmed Raja on the panel.
Religion is a personal matter...11 august 1947 Quaid's speech
I am missing Qasir Ahmad Raja . He is that shark who has the ability to eat all the seculars
۷۶ سال مذہب استعمال کیا ، اگلے ۷۶ سال دین کو استعمال کرکے دیکھ لو تا کہ کوئی بہتری ہوسکے ۔
ان تینوں کے سامنے اکیلے قیصر احمد راجہ صاحب کو بٹھایا جائے تاکہ وہ ان کو بتائیں کہ کتنے بچکانہ سوالات ہیں آپ کے۔۔۔
Haris sultan se beizzati karwa ke thand nai padi?
@@کِشتِسُخن haris sultan khud zaleel hogya.. ab QAR k name sy kanpta hai
@@کِشتِسُخن😂 bezeti to haris ki hoi
جب مقرر کی آواز بلند ہونے لگے تو بس سمجھ لیجئے اب عقل اور دلیل نا پید ہے۔
The last person from secular side presented strong arguments and from religious side syed kazmi was better in his arguments and rebuttal.
Lokking forward to see more such debates.
When you debate on Islam your opponent should be an expert Ex-Muslim so that he can debunk you from the holy book 📚.
Non Experts on both sides is not fair to the Audience
Physics professors talks about metaphysical realities than these silly statements will come about
They are showing having Very authentic information to present, I think they know very little about the history, They are presenting all illiterate society or extremist Ideology. Christian Gave vote for the Pakistan, Because Qaide Azam did not say that he wants an Islamic Republic of Pakistan. A country where every citizen will have equal rights. It was the later decided by the politicians, to call it Islamic republic of Pakistan.
If you agree with dr.pervez and company vote here
Prvaiz hood sahib Islam aap ki field Nahi apni Kam ilmi ki waja se logon KO gumrah na karien
Is there a single Muslim on this planet who follows every description given in Quran and Hadith.
No not a single
😂😂😂😂
Have you followed every single advice your parents gave you? Certainly not, we are human and we make mistakes, learn from it and move forward. If every Muslim were to follow 100% then what is the need of Jahannam? It makes perfect sense if you are open to listen to.
Hoodboye is running from the debate with QAR.Hoodboye ap jasay Atheists aur Seculars ki wajah say Pakistan ka yeah haal hai.Shariat Implement ho ge Pakistan may InShaALLAH
Insahallah
InshAllah
❤
Final debater of the pro-Islamic banner is the real winner here. He stayed true to the topic.
This debate was not about religion it was about how to run the system don't distract aniq sahib
It was about reilgion the point was that the system is not running because religion is invovled but everybody knows why the system is not running. It is not the fault of religion. Our Constitution is according to our religion just need to implement it.
@@rehansatti6024 in every Muslim life first come Quran Majeed then come Constitution if you don't practice your daily life according to Quran Majeed what you are going to get from constitution? The other thing is that if people of different faith and sects live in one place don't run the state with your school of thoughts or religion every one wants to make their own mosque. Who is going to stop the storm of fatwas against each others, religion is a personal thing it is peaceful and beautiful when you treat everyone with respect and dignity and don't bring out your dagger to cut off others throat.
Debate is not cross debate. There is no answer question session. The audience shown is shown baised. Speakers are not very well known. Debate should be between Experts of the field with strong qualification in the fields. Poor debate. Just wastage of time. Debate should be answered with evidences.
Amazing this guy Hoodbhoy in the very first minute brings India in his talk. Hoodbhoy Bhai: confine yourself to Pakistan.
Those pro religion- politics were totally disconnected with the actual topic.
Begharit siyasitdaano orr army autoimmune disease ka saara mlba Deen or molvi pr daalna bht aasaan hai 😂😂 Pakistan Naam ka islaami mulk hai qanoon saara ungrezo Yani Maghreb ka hai lekin phir bhi mulk traqi kio nhi kr rha vaja ??? isslia ka hm khud ghalt hai mehnat nhi krtai shortcut dhoondtai hai apnai mulk ka vasail ghlt logo ka haatho mei dekr Deen pr tnz kio ??iss baar education pr budget mei kitnai Arab rs mukhts 50 arb orr benazir income support vaalo ka Lia Yani bhikaario ka Lia 526 arb kia isska molvi zimadaar hai kia ussna kha ka taleem pr km paisai lgoi ya Quran mei likha hai aap khud corrupt ho aapki universities mei 50000 girls ki p** videos niklti kia isska bhi molvi zimadaar hai 😊 Iss mei Islam ka kia qasoor hai Islam to hmaarai mulk mei ha hi nhi 😢to phir aap Pakistani siast ko din e Islam ka saath kio relate kr rhai hai aapko sharm aani chahiai doctor lifebuoy Sahab 😂😂doctor Sahab mei aap sa poochta hoo ka aajtk koi molvi prime minister ya supreme court ka judge bna ?? obviously nhi then how you can say that Pakistan ko Islam sa khtra hai 🤣danger to Pakistan ko aapka corrupt siyasitdaano sa ha jo aapki universities ka products hai madrasso ka nhi then aap universities orr siyasitdaano ko criticize krna chahiai deen ko kio criticize krtai hai aapki debate ka topic hona chahiai tha syast orr syadaano ka gd jorr Pakistan ka tareek future hahaha 😂
You should invite persons like Qaisar Ahmad raja Sahib. Those are the people who know how to deal with such situations and how to do the debates.
The third speaker accepted the true fact that Islam was spread with the help of sword by questioning the use of mortars by whom?
I consider myself a religious person in fact I am always in mode of prosletyzing my religion.
I’m however taken aback by shallow and emotional commentary in defending Islam. Was it be design. If not, please next time try to bring a more competent therefore less emotional defender of Islam. It does not mean the contractions had any better demonstration 😊.
Dr hood bhoy got angry in the end butt very simple thing he didn't understand that westerns are become less and less of humens and Pakistanis are following them just because of there economics and rest they also want to be like them simple and more than that due to the bogus system of Pakistan.
Bakwas debate thi Dr pervaiz hoodbhoy na sirf chwlain mari hain
You should have invited ghamidi sahab via video link in this debate.
Very fantastic and thought provoking debate
It appears that Mr hoodboy is more worried about India than Pakistan
Ye larka itna cheekh q raha hai
Vo bhul gaya ki siddat argument me honi chahiye na ki aawaz mai. 😅😅😅
I am utterly disappointed by the opposition speakers. They resorted to personal attacks, self-contradictory arguments, and hate speech. They could have presented their arguments in civilized and academic manner, which unfortunately they didn't.
No.
Yeh smajnay ki zarurat hy ki Dr or unki team Mazhab ko aik social institution k tor pr discuss kr rahay hy na ki faith k bunyad pr, yahan pr deen durust hy yaah nahi iski baat nai horahi yahan pr siyasat or mazhab k gadjodh par ho rahi hy. Westernisation or Modernization ma farq hy zaroori nai ki agr aap mazhab or syasat ko alag kre to western society bnegi...... Ek doosray pr hansny k bajayeh dekha jayeh toh kuch nai cheez toh seekhny peh miili..................................... Yeh mulhid or deendar ki debate nai hy.
Qaisar Ahmed Raja, Sahil Adeem V Syed Muzamil, Shahzad Ghias
It looks Like that the topic of this discussion was Not shared with the oposing Panel.
No debate on small corrections to be done in Islam
No logic to stop animal killings
What a progressive islam😂😂😂😂
What about male genital mutilation?
About about women earning and supporting their children and husband. What about equal rights of child custody in Pakistan. ??
@@youngcoder4721 it's individual suffering
@@abhisri3842 you mean the rights of a defense less child is of no importance and the rights of animals are above human child. You are more dangerous than muala mafia and taliban even they know they make mistakes and accept they are wrong.
@@abhisri3842 you have ultra left fascist ideology that is even more problematic then Taliban.
I think the majority of Muslim youth, including myself, are unaware of Islam and do not study our faith. We are all busy earning money (which is also necessary for living), and we are more familiar with secularism due to the current system. We need to understand how beneficial the caliphate system was. The Islamic system cared for the poor, the rich, Muslims, non-Muslims, Jews, and many others. There is no evidence of cruelty. In contrast, you can see the democratic system in America allowing and helping the killing of innocent Palestinians. Why don't these liberals talk about that, considering they always bring up the killing of Salman Taseer and aurat march?
💯agree.
Islam is created by God according to Muslim so it should be 💯% perfect while it is opposite. Democracy is created by human so it is not perfect
Very well put brother
They will never invite Qaiser Ahmed Raja they know very well who is Qaiser Ahmed Raja and how he can destroy all the secular, libral and ethiest with logical grounds
Yahan Allama Ibtisam Elahi Zaheer,raja ziaulhaq, Qaiser Ahmed raja hona chea
When you lack compelling arguments, attempt to captivate your audience with eloquent English language; in our post-colonial society, this often proves effective(The lady she spoke in Englush Language). Many participants strayed from the central debate and demonstrated a superficial grasp of the subject. The initial speaker opposing the topic astutely challenged the use of the term 'Maddhab' instead of 'Deen.' The final speaker opposing the motion offered profound insights into the issue.
Why they do not invite Qasier Ahmed Raja 😂😂
Because he is more jahil then the panel who is here to defend Islam
Q ki Wo child rapists ko defend karne ki video shoot kar raha he
Qaiser is a jahil in jahalat indeed@@syedtalhaabidalishah961
@@syedtalhaabidalishah961 blao tu sahi is "jahal" ko dekhna kisi band bjata.
Who has the gut to counter his level of intelligence? They identify people
You should invite Sahil Adeem with them
اگر ترقی کرنا ہے تو پھر مزہب کو سیاست سے الگ کرنا ہوگا۔۔
You need to study bro. You're taking example of Church vs State. There's no such thing as Masjid vs State in Islam, and to understand it you have to study islamic ideology before blindly following the West.
I really happy and appreciate the Black hole management to do such peaceful and critical topics with a good good manners, and I became happy to lesson such criticism in peaceful way. I believe ,we will be progressed by the help of such programmes because Knowledge is the outcome of bilateral criticism
Asal m ye jo Godless log hotay hain in se religion ki restrictions practice ni hoti to apni in capacity ko defend krne k liay they start blaming the religion n the clerics etc
If you agree with de aniq and company
Vote here
I am listening to Aneeq sir for the first time. And his evidences sounds more convincing.
I'm missing Qaisar Ahmad Raja 😁
He is munafiq
راجہ جس کا بجتا ہے باجا 😂
@@ShiaNoorAhlBayt Well, that's a strong statement.
@@alitariq1784 I'm not a big fan of him but the way he debuncks the secularism and other isms is tremendious 😁
I see some people complaining about the quality of speakers but I believe it is a very good start. Debates such as this are not that common in Pakistan and I am certain that with the passage of time the quality of these debates will certainly improve.
Why Ali is so emotional? This is directionless discussion. The sole purpose of the debate is to make his/her opponent speechless.
Thanks to people like Qaiser Ahmad raja these secular level agruments really dont sound intellectual but very surface level. Issue of pakistan is the power structure thats causing a hinderence jn the properity in my opinion not Islam. Thankyou QAS❤
Useless debate kyun ke ye politics aur religion par to hua hi nahi ye to islam vs secularism par hua 😂😂😂
Enlightening discourse.
Modoodi was naming Pakistan as Paleedistan what was that
What an absolute shame. Whenever debates of this nature happen it's quite clear that one side is trying to make nuanced reasonable points and the other side is always trying to grandstand. Fahad Ali Kazmi in particular should be ashamed at his behaviour during the opening statement. If you have the emotional composure of a seven year old, don't get on stage with adults.
Nuance doesn’t equal accuracy
Having a debate on the most stupid book ever written 😂😂😂
Welldone Fahad Ali Kazmi ❤️👌
Muslim blood speaking
I like the fact that we have started debating in a civilised manner
Begharit siyasitdaano orr army autoimmune disease ka saara mlba Deen or molvi pr daalna bht aasaan hai 😂😂 Pakistan Naam ka islaami mulk hai qanoon saara ungrezo Yani Maghreb ka hai lekin phir bhi mulk traqi kio nhi kr rha vaja ??? isslia ka hm khud ghalt hai mehnat nhi krtai shortcut dhoondtai hai apnai mulk ka vasail ghlt logo ka haatho mei dekr Deen pr tnz kio ??iss baar education pr budget mei kitnai Arab rs mukhts 50 arb orr benazir income support vaalo ka Lia Yani bhikaario ka Lia 526 arb kia isska molvi zimadaar hai kia ussna kha ka taleem pr km paisai lgoi ya Quran mei likha hai aap khud corrupt ho aapki universities mei 50000 girls ki p** videos niklti kia isska bhi molvi zimadaar hai 😊 Iss mei Islam ka kia qasoor hai Islam to hmaarai mulk mei ha hi nhi 😢to phir aap Pakistani siast ko din e Islam ka saath kio relate kr rhai hai aapko sharm aani chahiai doctor lifebuoy Sahab 😂😂doctor Sahab mei aap sa poochta hoo ka aajtk koi molvi prime minister ya supreme court ka judge bna ?? obviously nhi then how you can say that Pakistan ko Islam sa khtra hai 🤣danger to Pakistan ko aapka corrupt siyasitdaano sa ha jo aapki universities ka products hai madrasso ka nhi then aap universities orr siyasitdaano ko criticize krna chahiai deen ko kio criticize krtai hai aapki debate ka topic hona chahiai tha syast orr syadaano ka gd jorr Pakistan ka tareek future hahaha 😂
dr qaiser Ahmed Raja should be here
My vote for Islam!!!!
آخر میں ہود کو مائک دیگر رائیٹ والوں کو جواب کا موقع نہ دینا سراسر زیادتی ہے
مجھے یہاں قیصر احمد راجہ کا اتظار ہے
The white shirt person had the best arguments. But he lacks articulation ability or perhaps confidence or experience in debates.
He was the only one actually discussing the topic; secularism.
Hoodbhoy was again trying to regurgitate his same old trope against religion, like a true atheist. Also, the concept of a state, for us, comes from the state of Medina that Prophet Muhammad pbuh established, not in the 17th century. He needs to read a bit more. The rest is just bs that's been debunked and re-debunked for millennia. And idk why he's presenting the exodus of Pakistanis towards the western nations as proof for his position. The reason they go west is simple: economy. This whole point is based on economy. No one is going westward for their values lmfao. And if economy is the metric we are measuring success then the Sharia states of UAE, Bahrain, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, are the best in economy. Even indonesia is a shining example for us. But economy is not the only metric we should look at. Look at China, they have a good economy but what's happening there with the people the way their government controls them? Is that desirable? Is that success?
Worst debate I've ever watched. No one discussed the topic except the white shirt person.
The audience is not fair because they clap when the Hoodboy Party makes arguments against another party, but they neither clap nor applaud when the opposite party makes a strong argument against them, thereby favoring one side.
They are all brainwashed
Feel sorry for the bespectacled girl in green dress.
All through she was clapping for Islamists , but didn’t vote neither for or against the religion mixing with politics.
It’s clear though that the youngsters in Pakistan are dissatisfied with Islam. Good sign.
They are manipulating the debate mr hoodboy was talking about today's understanding of islam not about islam is good or bad
I'm astonished why these hizb e mokhalif were unable to debunk these liberal ideas. Even a layman like me can single handedely debunk every argument they are presenting here.
Dr. Hoodboy and Mam amber seemed weak and deviated in presenting their narratives, while Waqas Meer saahb truly and simply showcased his narrative and that's where the actual debate started, but unfortunately no one answered his question and rather misinterpreted his simple narrative that "Whom to trust of and where to find those people to establish Islam in its true essence" ?. Infact the debate concluded without addressing the core narratives of secularism panel, because the actual debate started when it was about to culminate.
I am impressed by the third speaker brave lady in red and black.
That's Ambar shamsi
Perwez hood
Plzz set Infront of qaiser Ahmad raja
So Lame arguments by hoodboy
ڈاکٹر پرویز صاحب سے ہاتھ جوڑ کر التماس یے کہ اپ سچے انسان ہیں اور بیترین مسلمان ہیں ،
پرویز بھائی بھینسوں کے اگے بین بجانے سے گریز کریں
Dr Pervez should have by now understood the quality of the so called intellectuals.
Very depth.... consciousness.
Last word was astonishing about Hindu rastra in Bharat. Bhaisab what hell you have done for hindus in pakistan ?
Such childish arguments from hoodbhoy.
Yahan Sahil Adeem ko must hona chahye tha..
Ya system real ma Islam ko present ni kr skta but reforms ke zaroorat ha
All the three are criticizing the West and the fun is that all three are dressed up in western style