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NICE STAGED DEBATE.

Sirs,there are 50 odd OIC member countries who have been able to reconcile islam the state religion with modern concepts of governance like democracy etc. There are several role models available: Indonesia, turkiye,Egypt,Iran,S Arab,nigeria. If Pakistan takes its eyes off INDIA/HINDUS , They can develop a model suitable for themselves ending the unending debates,podcasts etc.

What a stupidity ? Converted Muslims claiming the brand of islam. 😂😂😂

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Tum chahe DEEN kah lo ye MAJHAB......Agar pakistan mein ISLAM ko badhawa milega to pakistani ka NAASH hona bilkul nishchit hai. Quran oar chaloge to tarakki nahi kar paoge.

Wooooooow.......I can't believe on my EYES and EARS......How an intectual like PARVEZ HOODBUOY can be born in a country captured by extremist Maulavis and CULT of islam. Islam is nothing special as a religion. Even Quran have 43 clear scientific mistake.

Me:- How stupid are you Last guy:- Jay Shah is the reason pakistan is playing badly. Me :- So you Retarted 😂😂😂😂😂 This guy think the task BCCI is to stop Pakistan playing cricket

😂😂😂😂😂😂

As a former debater myself, I'd like to say that the Opposition faced an uphill battle from the start. The current state of Pakistani cricket is undeniably challenging to defend. However, kudos to them, especially Waqas Mir (what a brilliant speaker!), for managing to shift a lot of opinions. From my perspective, the Proposition lost ground, as their support dropped from 71% to 67% by the end.

Great initiative please do one with cricketers too

Wowwww! What a wonderful debate😍 Please Conduct more debates like that.

Btw Discussion in a nutshell!! One side- System gadbad hai Other side- so what! Inshaallah sab thik hai! Ye negative narrative ki galti hai!! 😂😂😂😂

Aur haan Leagues mai Pakistani players ki demand hai that's a thing of past!! See the recent record of BBL, 100, SAT20 or ILT20!! Haan Bangladesh, Canada, Srilanka, Zimbabwe ki leagues kaho toh demand hai....that's a simple Demand Supply reason! Sudden explosion of T20 leagues forced franchise tournaments to hire from Pakistan! Cause suppliers mai India, Australia, England toh zyada players deta nahin hai...SA, NZ etc pe players hi kam hai toh players aayenge Kahan se ... West Indies, Pakistan, Afghanistan etc! Chinta mat karo leagues bhi nahin lengi aur players Pakistan ke aise hi khelte rahe toh

There is only one problem with Pakistan Cricket!! that is Intellectual Dishonesty!!!!!!!! Woh pehley Kam thi ab zyada hai as consistent with the rest of the country!! Eg. Members use Afghanistan as an example of success without a system and then says they have reached only the semifinal of T20 so ODI and test mai dekhenge!!! And highlighting Pakistan T20 performance as an achievement!!! Abey kya hi bana rahe ho matlab lawyers hain toh kahin se kahin bhi baat ghuma doge! Pakistan has not reached the semifinals of ODI world cup since 2011 and Test Championship ka pata hi hai!! Asia Cup tak mai toh ODI format khela nahi jaata! Eg. Asia Cup 2023,2018! Both in ODI format! For T20 world cup 2022 final qualification!!! Toh 2003 world cup semifinalist Kenya thi!!! Just FYI!!!

Third class discussion!!! People quoting social media lies as facts to build narrative!!! I can rebut 100s of fact check manipulated

much-needed initiative. Kudos to everyone involved.

1:10:35 can you give us the source where he said it....this is now become a cliche that bcci is evil because it has lot of money.... please grow up guys.

Could've been a great and the superhit debate with Furqan Bhatti, Wasay, and Iffi Bhai

You should have invited arslan naseer CBA to this debate as well

Good idea to make these debates public. Would be great to have the active spakers from the debating circuit join in as well.

@qaiser ko b bulate

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Parvez hoodboy you shouldn’t come to this low class or standard program and they don’t have any clue. They just memorize there debate I called them ratta ficatiion

زبردست بھائی زبردست ماشااللہ

0:3 matlab aap bhi 0:05 maan chuke hain ki islam talwar se faila hai 😂 To Aap ek religion ka war se compare kar rahe hain Aap islam or war konek hi taraju par tol rahe hai Ab batao kehne ko bacha hi kya

Sermad 😘🤩😎😎😎😎😎😍🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰😎😎😎😎🇦🇫🇵🇰🇦🇫🇵🇰🇦🇫🇵🇰

Yeh larki journalist hai ya PTI worker?

Duniya pareshan hai , islam aur musalman se . Ye pakistan kabhi nahi sudher sakta hai .

The conflict between religion and state and politics is more complicated than I thought, there is no single line to go along. There are always two opposing sides to deal with. Diplomacy is not always allowed on the basis of personal interests on both sides, it is a chess game in which both sides have pawns placed in such a way that when you disagree on something, there is your checkmate. It will happen and there you will be against this whole system, which means that the letter is not even in the jurisprudence, but the boundaries have been set in such a way that there is a war against them.

اسلام میں صرف کسی ایک چیز ہی کی رٹ لگانا، پیروی کرنا ملائیّت ، دہشت گردی،منافقت،شرک ہے۔آدم جھوٹ چھوڑو ،، جھوٹوں کی خرابی ہے

ISLAM zindabad

I think the majority of Muslim youth, including myself, are unaware of Islam and do not study our faith. We are all busy earning money (which is also necessary for living), and we are more familiar with secularism due to the current system. We need to understand how beneficial the caliphate system was. The Islamic system cared for the poor, the rich, Muslims, non-Muslims, Jews, and many others. There is no evidence of cruelty. In contrast, you can see the democratic system in America allowing and helping the killing of innocent Palestinians. Why don't these liberals talk about that, considering they always bring up the killing of Salman Taseer and aurat march?

Dr hood bhoy got angry in the end butt very simple thing he didn't understand that westerns are become less and less of humens and Pakistanis are following them just because of there economics and rest they also want to be like them simple and more than that due to the bogus system of Pakistan.

I did not like the tone of speakers spacially 2 who opposed but the proposition team did not make a rational argument on how secularism is the best system but they only tried to hide behind some narrativea regarding molvis or muslims who don't follow islam, the opposition team except last speaker did not prove how islam is the best system in rational way instead they were all the way denying the allegations of proposition

Buraao taleban bnaya kisne tha?

One notable aspect of the debate was the communication style. The proposition team maintained a composed and respectful demeanor throughout their presentation. In contrast, the opposing team, with the exception of the final speaker, displayed a noticeable level of aggression and elevated tone. The audience's vote clearly reflected which side was more convincing. Having spent an hour listening to this debate, I would like to specifically comment on Fahad Ali Kazmi and would appreciate hearing his thoughts if he reads this. Kazmi spoke passionately about protecting minority rights, highlighting issues such as the misuse of ideology, the intertwining of religion and cultural practices, and colonial heritage in Pakistan. I want to know when and how defenders like himself actively protect minorities, openly condemn public acts of violence against them, and educate others on true Islamic values. Does he, or others like him, have the courage to do this, or do they merely mimic arguments to support their points? Kazmi mentioned that the cultural integration with religion in countries like Pakistan hinders the application of Islamic principles. However, this raises questions about other Islamic countries. Why do Arab nations, such as Saudi Arabia or the UAE, exploit poor Muslim laborers? Why do Muslims around the world continue to suffer? Religion, like any other subject, serves as a guide, and its success depends on contemporary teachers-namely, Mullas or Muftis. Examining their character and role often reveals hypocrisy, lies, and manipulation. Thus, in my view, defending religion implicitly means defending the practices of the clergy. Next time, instead of just debating, take a stand to protect any minority or even a Muslim attacked for blasphemy and see what happens.

ہمارے ہاں تو جاری ہے ہمیشہ سے۔ زندہ مجتہد کی تقلید کی جاتی ہے۔

I think Sarmad was the only one who stuck to the topic. 😂

Last debator is kmaaalll

Nobody addressed the real topic with technical terma and systematic ideology except the last debator.

اکثرھم لایعقلون اکثرھم جاہلون یہ آخر میی پتا چلا ووٹنگ سے۔

سیاست اور مذہب کا گٹھ جوڑ پاکستان کو تاریکی کی طرف لے جاے گا۔ جواب: پاکستان میں سیاستدان قران مجید و فرقان حمید و سنت نبوی ص کی بنیادی تعلیمات سے بلکل ناواقف ہیں حتیٰ کہ دینی درس گاہوں میں قران مجید فرقان حمید کو ترجمۀ کے ساتھ نہیں پڑھایا جاتا ہے۔ یو 2:30 نیورسٹی سے ایم اے اور ایم ایس سی یا پی ایچ ڈی کی ڈگری حاصل کرنے سے قران مجید و فرقان حمید کی تعلیم نہیں اتی ہے۔ الیکشن لڑنے سے پہلے اسلامی سیاست پڑنا/ سیکھنا لازمی قرار دیا جاے ورنہ محض دین اسلام/ مذہب کا نام لینے سے کام نہیں چلے گا۔ اگر قول و فعل میں تضاد ہو گا تو پھر الله تعالیٰ وحدۀ لا شریک ناراض ہو گا۔ چونکہ اسلامی سیاست منافقت سے پاک ہے جبکہ مغربی سیاست کا اپنا قاعدہ ہے۔ علاوہ ازیں مذہب یا دین اسلام ہر قانون کا منبع ہے۔ یہاں ڈاکڑ پرویز ھود بھای کے دلاءل زمینی حقاءق پر مشتمل ہیں 2:30

I love pervez Bhai ❤

You should invite Sahil Adeem with them

Irony is that the politics in Pakistan has absolutely nothing to do with Religion ...if you call it a wedding ..oh what a bad marriage it is !!!

Final debater of the pro-Islamic banner is the real winner here. He stayed true to the topic.

دنیا میں گوروں کا قانون سب کو مساوی حقوق دیتا ہے ۔۔۔ اجکا مسلمان پندرہ سو سال کی حکمرانی ذہنیت سے نہیں نکل پایا ۔۔۔ یہ ہڈدرمی دیکھاتا ہے جب جیب بھی خالی ہوتی ہے ۔۔۔ اسکو کوئ سمجھاۓ بھائ یہ معاشی دور ہے جنگ کا دور ختم ہو چلا ۔۔۔ اس دور نہ دوستی چلتی ہے نہ دشمنی ۔۔۔۔ صرف مفادات چلتے ہے جس کے لیۓ ہر ایک کیساتھ بیٹھنا پڑتا ہے ۔۔۔ بات چیت کرنی پڑتی ہے

قران میں باقاعدہ حکم موجود ہے کہ مذہب پر عمل کرنے والوں نے ہی زمین میں حکومت کا نظام قائم کرنا ہوتا ہے القرآن - سورۃ نمبر 22 الحج آیت نمبر 40-41 أَعـوذُ بِاللهِ مِنَ الشَّيْـطانِ الرَّجيـم بِسْمِ اللّٰهِ الرَّحْمٰنِ الرَّحِيْمِ اۨلَّذِيۡنَ اُخۡرِجُوۡا مِنۡ دِيَارِهِمۡ بِغَيۡرِ حَقٍّ اِلَّاۤ اَنۡ يَّقُوۡلُوۡا رَبُّنَا اللّٰهُ‌ ؕ وَلَوۡلَا دَ فۡعُ اللّٰهِ النَّاسَ بَعۡضَهُمۡ بِبَـعۡضٍ لَّهُدِّمَتۡ صَوَامِعُ وَبِيَعٌ وَّصَلَوٰتٌ وَّمَسٰجِدُ يُذۡكَرُ فِيۡهَا اسۡمُ اللّٰهِ كَثِيۡرًا‌ ؕ وَلَيَنۡصُرَنَّ اللّٰهُ مَنۡ يَّنۡصُرُهٗ ؕ اِنَّ اللّٰهَ لَقَوِىٌّ عَزِيۡزٌ ۞ اَ لَّذِيۡنَ اِنۡ مَّكَّنّٰهُمۡ فِى الۡاَرۡضِ اَقَامُوا الصَّلٰوةَ وَاٰتَوُا الزَّكٰوةَ وَاَمَرُوۡا بِالۡمَعۡرُوۡفِ وَنَهَوۡا عَنِ الۡمُنۡكَرِ‌ ؕ وَلِلّٰهِ عَاقِبَةُ الۡاُمُوۡرِ ۞ ترجمہ: یہ وہ لوگ ہیں جو اپنے گھروں سے ناحق نکال دیے گئے صرف اِس قصور پر کہ وہ کہتے تھے "ہمارا رب اللہ ہے" اگر اللہ لوگوں کو ایک دوسرے کے ذریعے دفع نہ کرتا رہے تو خانقاہیں اور گرجا اور معبد اور مسجدیں، جن میں اللہ کا کثرت سے نام لیا جاتا ہے، سب مسمار کر ڈالی جائیں اللہ ضرور اُن لوگوں کی مدد کرے گا جو اس کی مدد کریں گے اللہ بڑا طاقتور اور زبردست ہے ۞ یہ وہ لوگ ہیں جنہیں اگر ہم زمین میں اقتدار بخشیں تو وہ نماز قائم کریں گے، زکوٰۃ دیں گے، معروف کا حکم دیں گے اور منکر سے منع کریں گے اور تمام معاملات کا انجام کار اللہ کے ہاتھ میں ہے ۞

القرآن - سورۃ نمبر 22 الحج آیت نمبر 3 أَعـوذُ بِاللهِ مِنَ الشَّيْـطانِ الرَّجيـم بِسْمِ اللّٰهِ الرَّحْمٰنِ الرَّحِيْمِ وَمِنَ النَّاسِ مَنۡ يُّجَادِلُ فِى اللّٰهِ بِغَيۡرِ عِلۡمٍ وَّيَـتَّبِعُ كُلَّ شَيۡطٰنٍ مَّرِيۡدٍ ۞ ترجمہ: بعض لوگ ایسے ہیں جو عِلم کے بغیر اللہ کے بارے میں بحثیں کرتے ہیں اور ہر شیطان سرکش کی پیروی کرنے لگتے ہیں القرآن - سورۃ نمبر 22 الحج آیت نمبر 8 وَمِنَ النَّاسِ مَنۡ يُّجَادِلُ فِى اللّٰهِ بِغَيۡرِ عِلۡمٍ وَّلَا هُدًى وَّلَا كِتٰبٍ مُّنِيۡرٍ ۞ ترجمہ: بعض اور لوگ ایسے ہیں جو کسی علم اور ہدایت اور روشنی بخشنے والی کتاب کے بغیر، گردن اکڑائے ہوئے القرآن - سورۃ نمبر 22 الحج آیت نمبر 11 وَمِنَ النَّاسِ مَنۡ يَّعۡبُدُ اللّٰهَ عَلٰى حَرۡفٍ‌ ‌ۚ فَاِنۡ اَصَابَهٗ خَيۡرٌ اۨطۡمَاَنَّ بِهٖ‌ ۚ وَاِنۡ اَصَابَتۡهُ فِتۡنَةُ اۨنقَلَبَ عَلٰى وَجۡهِهٖ‌ۚ خَسِرَ الدُّنۡيَا وَالۡاٰخِرَةَ ‌ ؕ ذٰ لِكَ هُوَ الۡخُسۡرَانُ الۡمُبِيۡنُ ۞ ترجمہ: اور لوگوں میں کوئی ایسا ہے جو کنارے پر رہ کر اللہ کی بندگی کرتا ہے، اگر فائدہ ہوا تو مطمئن ہو گیا اور جو کوئی مصیبت آ گئی تو الٹا پھر گیا اُس کی دنیا بھی گئی اور آخرت بھی یہ ہے صریح خسارہ

The second speaker from the pro-religion side really nailed it. 💯

قابل احمدی بھی ملک چھوڑ کر چلے گئے۔۔🖐️ ایک بندہ تمہارا نام رکھ کر تمہارے نام اور شخصیت کی دھجیاں بکھیر دے پھر تم اسکے قابل ہونے کو اپنے اندر ڈالوگے