How Oracle's False Promise Actually Works
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- Опубліковано 13 лют 2023
- Hello. In this video I go over how False Promise Actually works. I think there might have been a lot of misunderstanding about how this spell works in terms of how it handles incoming damage/healing, especially about the red ord that appears above the unit affected by False Promise. I wanted to explore these mechanics and share how they work since I found them pretty interesting.
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Another tip for False Promise:
- A ticking Vessel, Urn or Salve will NOT be dispelled when used on a target under False Promise. Having a spare Salve for False Promise in the early game can be a gamechanger even with the nerf to using it on other people.
- Axe is not able to Chop through False Promise if you are above the HP threshhold on cast. So be sure to Promise early against Axe.
- AA Ult will not prevent Healing during False Promise if it wears off before False Promise ends. If you are too low HP before the cast however, you will still shatter.
What about voids time walk health regain with false promise?
@@TheWeecheng i don't know if it would double heal, since it's not actually healing you just reverting your hp
These are the types of experiments I was expecting to see in this video. sigh
As a corollary, you can also grief your teammate by casting False Promise on them with their HP below the Axe chop threshold or AA shatter threshold, preventing their HP from rising above the threshold due to other sources of regen, thereby giving Axe or AA a kill that he otherwise wouldn't have. Fun!
Does Healing's instant damage counts as damage when the target is affected by False Promise??Or it only gives heal?
Here are some heroes I didn't quite understand how some of their spells work: Undying second spell (Soul rip), Shadow Demon second spell (Disseminate) Bounty Hunter ultimate (Track) how does the gold bonus really works? And Earth spirit ultimate (Magnetize)
Could do an entire episode on shadow demon wtf is going on with that guy
Yall cant read??
From my understanding of Shadow Demon's Disseminate is that you can cast it on an ally or enemy. Whatever amount of damage that affected hero receives, every enemy hero in the area around the Disseminated unit will also receive a portion/percentage of that damage.
Yes, this works well with an ally Huskar, too as he has a lot of self-inflicted damage which can be spread onto surrounding enemy heroes when he's jumping into a fight.
As for Earth Spirit's Magnetize, he basically puts a debuff on all enemy heroes in an area that deals damage over time. The max duration of it is 6 seconds but, as with his other abilities, also works in conjunction with his Stone Remnant wherein if an affected enemy hero gets close to a Stone Remnant, the remnant "explodes" and refreshes the duration of Magnetize. As the Stone Remnant "explodes" it will get destroyed, but you can keep putting more remnants to constantly refresh the duration.
I find Magnetize's damage to be quite minimal, but another good thing about it is that whenever at least one affected enemy hero is also under the influence of Earth Spirit's other spells (Slow from Boulder Smash, Stun from Rolling Boulder?, Silence from Geomagnetic Grip), if there are other heroes affected by Magnetize, they all get Slowed/Silenced as well. Not sure about Rolling Boulder's stun though, might be a bit OP if all of the Magnetized heroes will get stunned.
The first three are quite simple:
Soul Rip: Heals an ally or damages an enemy. Heals/damages for more the more units there are in an area. Takes a small amount of hp from everyone of those units but isnt important.
Disseminate: Places a buff on the target. A % of all damage the target takes, is sent out to nearby enemies. If the target is an enemy, they are hit with this same extra damage.
Track: Every hero allied with bh receives bonus gold when they're in a certain radius of the track target if it dies. Bh gets more gold.
Magnetize: Debuffs all enemies in a nearby aoe with a damage over time effect. If an enemy with the debuff walks near a stone remnant, the remnant is destroyed and the dot is refreshed. When this occurs, if the target is slowed or silenced by your other spells, that same slow or silence is spread to all enemies with your mangetize debuff
I hope you have fun making these, because they are really interesting and a good watch.
As always, amazing content thanks for the effort. Love knowing how the spells work on a deeper level.
Explain very nicely, good information, good job. This is what I call a clean job with clarity.
I played oracle for the first time yesterday and really enjoyed it but knew I needed to deep dive on this hero. Coincidentally this is recommended to me today. Killin’ it my guy, please keep up your good work, it’s seriously helpful, I subbed to you after your CM video and I will attribute my mmr climb to them!!
That's awesome how those two things lined up. Thanks so much for the support! Good luck with the MMR grind.
Amazing, very interesting to watch. Thanks for this.
Very great video! Oracle is one of my fav hero and I didn’t know that, actually I didn’t even realised the icon in top of the hero is changes
One of the most useful things I have seen
Thanks
Your videos are so fun and unique to watch. Thank you for creating content for us.
Thanks for the kind words and for watching :)
I like how you explain stuff, you're really talented bro.
I would love a video on magnetize next
Magnetize would be an amazing next video. A) Some people think there's aoe damage from the aoe visual, there isn't, the visual is if it hits another remnant. B) if one unit under magnetize gets silenced/slowed from earth spirits other abilities, ALL magnetized units get silenced/slowed. C) magnetized remnants can still be used by earth spirit, before they break. D) this is one im not even sure about, but it spreading is weird. Sometimes, it spreads no issue, sometimes you cast your ult, and nothing happens. Would be interesting to see what you can come up with
Magnetize in practice is so hard, i always just yolo it and hope for the best.
The aoe of Magnetize is small. but the aoe of recharge with stone is quit big becuz of that good ES players will Magnetize an enemy and instantly put another stone between them and other enemy and use that stone to silence all of them
@@MrMikopi It's not that difficult. The initial cast range is super tiny, so you have to be standing next to the hero, meaning you gotta roll onto him.
Then the timer starts, and gets refreshed everytime the enemy hero is near a stone: you can place on next to him, you can kick/pull one towards him, or he could walk to an exisiting stone on the map.
The magnetize only jumps from hero to hero if there is a stone between the heroes.
Obvsiouly if you are standing next to several heroes, and theyre all right on your ass, magnetize will apply to every enemy hero once you cast it.
Thank you for another amazing explanation video. You have just earned a new subscription!
Loving the vids. Didn't notice the orb interaction until this vid. Keen for plenty more
Dude, again, these are absolutely amazing. Love it!
Thank you :>
All these details done so good, thanks 👌
Great video, keep on doing more of them!
These explanation videos are so fascinating to watch
this channel is a gold mine
Great content! Note that the final False Promise damage is a form of HP removal, so it can't be avoided by e.g. Borrowed Time.
Borrowed time does actually convert it to healing, Borrowed time in general is one of the few abilities in the game that actually treat HP removal tagged damage as a normal damage.
It can still be survived with shallow grave tho
Troll can also use his ultimate to escape death
Does the final damage pierce bkb or ignore damage reduction?
@@mistypeaks1375 It goes through everything, only Aeon disk seems to protect target from damage, for reasons that escape me. Btw every damage is able to pierce BKB, spell immunity is protection against spell effect to which damage is tied on, you nullify spell and therefore damage doesn't even arrive. Previously spell immunity also granted 100% magic resistance but latter part has been decoupled from this effect a long time ago.
Really great breakdown of Oracle's False Promise. Thank you for the informative video.
Thank you! :3
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Hey, I just wanted to let you know I really enjoy watchting your videos, keep it up!
Comments like this make me want to make more, so thanks a bunch!
Thank you bro. Mekanism seems great with this ulti.
I love this series you are making.
One correction: the piercing spell immunity is a non-factor. It clears stuns because it is a HARD DISPEL. Abaddon and Legion commander are similar examples that can clear stuns.
Hello! Love these videos! Can you do OD ultimate next? I never really understood how it works.
have been sharing your video with my guys everytime i see one...great job
Thanks! That sharing is very helpful and appreciated.
Keep em coming, Great videos teaching valuable knowledge in a great way :D
Thank you :)
Oracle is a hero that I don't mind playing, as its quite fun, so this knowledge is very much appreciated.
I main SF, Legion, Earthspirit, Magnus
So if you ever made any insight content on any of this hero, that'll be very exciting for me.
What a great video! That was pretty didactic.
Most people just play Dota without fully knowing the skills and items aspects, not least because there is so much to know. This type of content gives us a certain specialization.
Thank you very much!
Thanks for the nice words! It's motivating :]
You should make an appendix and have a look at Ice Blast denying with promise, as well as using flames with right click to deny things like allies affected by QoP's and Veno's Q. Very solid advice at the end, commended.
Thank you 4 interesting video! It was really useful
There's some ability/Mechanic dota 2 that you should cover.
- NP's Nature's Wrath Bounce to target
- How Crit works (sometime playing PA with Daedalus crit twice maybe there's more in other heros)
- Earthshaker's Echo Slam ability, The amount of Unit damage Multiplayer and more
- Juggernaut's Omnislash, amount of slashes = to Attack speed
- and BB's Passive proc 10 times for some reason
This all I come up with, maybe one of it are interesting to cover.
- not sure about NP ss( I guess it jumps nearest visible enemy unit)
- Two critical sources are independent. Meaning if you roll two dice, there is a chance both get 6.
- ES ss is simple. It sum up as it is written in the description.
- Jugg ss, correct. It also adds up some AS. So, expect to have more slashes.
- BB passive, if they damage he receives from back is 4x of its threshold, it will proc 4 times.
@@alexbeatson for BB, does items/increase armor reduce hitting that Threshold?, Does DoT counts as Damage Threshold, does Warlock's Fatal bond counts as Threshold, does emotional damage that my dad leave counts as damage threshold? beside The fountain, it counts because every bb player do that, maybe there's some exception, so yah
@@RegMeow Correction, I just tested and confirmed. It only proc one time per damage instance. Meaning if 1500 damage dealt from its back, it will only proc once. Then, it is counted the damage after all the reduction. Previously, it was not like that for sure. Valve might nerf bb in some patches. All damage sources counted towards threshold including fatal bonds and fountain. Damn, too much nerfed on bb. If oracle use ss on bb, passive won’t proc a single time no matter how much damage it takes.
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Hey man my friend showed me this channel and its pretty cool. I know a buncha my dota folks would be down to watch more so Im hoping to keep finding cool stuff.
for a video suggestion can you explain Tiny's Aghs sceptre? tree grab range and aoe calcs thanks!
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Mathematical calculations.
I knew it all, but it was fun to watch.
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If possible, I would ask you to pick every hero for one video and explain all of there abilities. This channel would become one-stop shop to learn about heroes.
In this aspect, I liked LoL releasing videos of every heroes about the skills and what can be done with that.
Great video bro, really aprecciate the effort in those, keep it up.
This will help players to be good mechanically. Appreciate this a lot!
Thank you for making this. As an Oracle main, this helps.
Glad you found it helpful, thank you!
Easy sub and like for each of these vids. And I don't do either very often!!
Can't wait for the next one!
Thank you so much!
Awesome video, keep them coming
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Awesome content. I'd love to see the explanation for Nature Wrath (NP's ult). Never fully understood the best place to click and trigger this spell.
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I hope your channel will be uber-successful
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Thank you so much! Very nice and motivating :)
We need more of this! I guess... items?
Keep making these!!
Will do! :)
We need more of this
great vids bro, I wish to know things about reaper scythe, mainly the % of current hp for me to fire up the ult
Need more of this man
Amazing contents. Thanks. False Promise does heal or does damage information is veryo good. I enlightenmented. It explains Winter Curse, False Promise deny interaction.
loving these videos! Keep going!
up, deserve more sub.
1 question. does lifesteal counts as heal?
Amazing content!
Ahh... A fellow oracle main... The orb thing was a bit new to me... Thanks
Damn, by watching this video gives me an understanding on how the amounts of lines of codes needed to properly execute this, no wonder why balancing tends to be difficult.
It's basic math maybe but like, damn.
great work! keep it up
Your videos reminds me of my engineering lectures but in a good fun way. Hope to get my diploma in dotaterminology from you. More like these please.
Thanks!
Would you consider to cover the difference between damage, healing and direct HP change (like Ice Blast debuff which is, iirc, not really dealing damage but rather just removing HP, or Time Walk which doesn't heal you but straight-up sets your HP back on previous value). There is a surprising amount of abilities which are not considered by DOTA as healing/damaging but they look like they are, at face value
very informative, subbed
Great Video!
Great effort!
Ok so this video explains something quite important:
Purifying Flames cannot kill an ally, but it can drop them to 1hp.
If you False Promise an ally, and then cast Purifying flames (without Fate's Edict) on them, it will take 4.5 seconds before the heal is greater than the damage. So any PF you cast while there's more than 4.5 seconds left on the duration is always a net positive. BUT in that final 4.5 second window it's more complicated:
If you False Promise an ally, and in the last few seconds of the duration you cast PF on them. That will drop their "simulated" health pool to 1. If no more enemies hit them, then they will survive and benefit from the healing. But if a single enemy attack deals damage after the PF damage then it will kill them from 1hp.
So as Oracle, you can only spam PF on your ally in the first half of the duration, and then in the last 4.5 seconds only if you're sure that the enemy won't hit them after you do. (Or use Fate's Edict to disarm them if they're not fighting)
Thats exactly what i was gonna ask, thanks a lot!
w is much good now you cant disarm your allies they changed it
100% heal amp. PF heals x2 in false promise, but deals full damage 💔
Thank you host.
tq it help me alot to understand oracle.❤
very informative video
Thanks a lot for creating these videos.
I appreciate these types of Guides similar to Dota Lehong as I am pretty much a newbie and I really enjoy Dota2, aside from the toxicity 😂
Actually insanely helpful and I at least understand what I'm looking at now lmao
6:10 but Lina wasn't the one to deal enough damage to bring Ursa's health to 0. She only did enough to bring it to -22 from 46, so down to 24. Bounty Hunter was the one to deal enough damage to take him to 0...
Going into negative results doesn't mean that's what made Ursa die, it just means it's what started making False Promise deal damage rather than heal.
Great video sir ! Can I ask how does Holy Luckey item work ? And can you explain its combo on abbadon and to other heros that has healing skills
Loved this.
Great review to a very tough hero to play but
ty man i thought dota wiki 100% true about the red orb but you amazed me wich make me a fan from the first video
Thank you so much, very appreciated!
Thank you doc
Informative! Thanks! Please do abaddon!
Can you make a video about techies too? What are the areas that need attention?
Interesting is also that you shouldnt use PF(lvl4) in the last 5 seconds of FP. 360-25%mr=270 || 44hps*2=88 || 88*3 seconds=264 so PF takes 4 ticks in FP to amortize itself +1 second for the first healtick to happen otherwise you will add onto the damage if used without FE.
u mustn't heal allies using PF without huge mag res anyways, in that case, u better damage enemies with PF if you wanna use the edict later or it's on cd, imo, but if it's bladefury jugg, bkb, you ballin.
Would love to see a video about how Dazzle's new ult works and how best to use it
Just spam it for reduction cd skills lul
No way? A new new zzADRiANzz explanation just dropped?? And it is about my favourite hero??? Thanks for your work!
Another tip for False Promise:
- because damage is received at the end of the duration only buffs that are present at the end are counted. Use Glimmer Cape at the end to reduce damage taken.
- since damage is applied at the end in single instance, Borrowed Time will not trigger by itself, but will transfer this damage into heal if used manually.
I would love to see you explain Skele- *ahem* Sorry. Wraith King's ultimate.
good work keep it up
Thank you!
We need an elder titan version. Some people still don't get how Natural Order works and how his ulti works.
This explains that one time I false promised a Huskar at low hp, put a bunch of heals on him as he continues fighting, orb above him turns fire red with cracks on the side but he is still healed to full HP at the end of the spell.
orb visuals doesn't take hp regen into account, that's why such heroes as Huskar might have red orb way more often?
Also any buffs or debuffs to the heal (such as ice blast, spirit vessel or holy locket) seems to only matter when false promise resolves and not when the heal is cast.
you forgot or didn't know about 1 more feature which is sometimes oracle's teammates can deny when false promise ends and idk how they do it either but never looked it up tbh.
wow man, ty so helpfull !
I'd like to see a video on blademail, sometimes there's strange interactions, such as if blood seeker is on 1hp with blood rage enabled and blade mail active. If you are on 1hp and you hit him, he gets the kill and heals up, but it seems inconsistent. Would be curious to see the mechanics behind this
Blade mail deals damage before the incoming hit does, that's why all deaths to bm always happen before the hero with that bm dies
Would love a video about rupture and pucks’s phase shift. Sometimes you take damage, sometimes you dont. If I recall I’ve seen people move no problem while being ruptured. And for time if you got grabbed by primal beast while ruptured you took insane damage (I think they patched this one, not 100% sure)
If not mistaken, there's a movement units (distance) threshold upon which damage is applied. If affected hero is displaced above this threshold, no damage is dealt. I think it was abused before with qop blink and spell cast range increase
If so, then False Promise on Huskar & Timber would be monstrous:0
Great video, how it work with morphing Attribute Shift?
Hey i didn't understood something at 5:58, could you clarify it if not difficult please ? So the sum of healing is 230, with the negative -22, without taking into account the last shuriken, the ursa will be damaged by false promise for 22, but he have 46 hp, so he wouldn't die, but if so then why does the kill goes to Lina and not Bh? You said Lina brought the hp of Ursa to 0, but in reality Lina brought up the heal sum to 0, and without the next damage instance of Bh, Ursa would have lived. Then the kill goes to whoever brought the heal sum to 0, even if later damage instances killed the hero rather than the one that canceled the heal sum. You haven't mentioned this in your video, but i may be utterly wrong, please correct me if so, and explain if not difficult again, how it really works. Or am i the right one here ? (god let it be me :D)
thanks a lot. could you do necro ult next please. i dont understand how it works because its HP based but does magic damage
Please do Lich's Chain Frost! I'm a Lich spammer. Love these videos!
I would like to know for how long it is benificial to cast purifying flames on the target with false promise on it since it gets magic damage at first but healing over time. This means there must be a time where it does not outheal the damage before the false promise ends.
It's best with a low health Huskar, but if you use it when he have lots of hp, his hp will get stuck so he won't get atk spd and regen from his passive.