Israel: Dr. Jones: Understanding Michael Voris - Sept. 20th, 2016
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- Опубліковано 22 вер 2016
- Dr. E. Michael Jones just wrote an eBook on Michael Voris and his homosexual past. The unhealed wounds from this past push Voris to scapegoat his self-loathing onto those holding authority in the Catholic Church. Jones explains how the notion of cheap grace picked up maybe from Lutheran/Protestant theology blinds many Christians to the possible necessity of first enduring a painful penitential healing process before venturing out into a public ministry. Narcissism is a possible result of unhealed wounds caused by sin.
This is powerful discussion on repentance and self loathing. There's a lot for me to consider about my own sins and penance. Thank you.
Dr E Michael Jones, good servant of Our Lord, needs to be heard by all. God bless him and him safe. He does God's work. 🙏
Here we are 7 years later and MV is still gay and HAS CAUSED THE DOWN FALL OF Church MILITANT.
Interesting ideas about narcissism, I admit to being guilty of it, and I can see your point about Voris, who I watch regularly. Thanks
vampifrog Best comment. Very humble and real
Catholic Firefighter Everybody is a narcissist?
One of the mosy helpful interviews on homosexual i have ever heard.
Pete Shields Narcissists
It’s really weird how Tim Gordon reacted to this video.
I really enjoy with Dr E M J is a guest, it terrible what UA-cam did to him. Please can you invite him on more. Thank you. Love watching the old episodes.
Sin is an arrow but the wound is still there
Bus analogy is superb. Thank you.
E. Michael Jones is basically saying that a person cannot serve God once they have sinned and repented. In Michael Voris' speeches, he admitted living a deeply sinful life, and has repented of his previous sins. This is nothing more than a witchhunt based on inuendo, heresay and pop-psychology.
Unless Michael Voris is teaching something against church teaching (which he is not), you should be supporting Voris instead of following your primitive brain's desire to make and break people out of wrongful pride.
Assuming that Michael Voris is still a damaged person, who is engaging in scrupulosity, which denies the healing capacity of Christ's grace in ones life. Why does E. Michael Jones make all these assumptions about Voris' state of mind? Who knows, I am not a mind reader, but Jones thinks he is.
havock89 I think Mike is saying that according to Catholic teaching a person that has persisted in sins extreme as Sodomy requires special oversight by church leadership before he can presume to be a leader of the flock. Protestant theology usually allows for sudden and miraculous healing at the time of conversion. Nature vs. Grace
What makes you think he hasnt had special oversight? I know that the bishop of the diocese for where ChurchMilitant.tv is based (which is not michigan as most people assume) has given the oversight and support for ChurchMilitant.tv's work.
There is an assumption here, a huge one that the is no oversight, that Michael Voris is engaging in scrupulosity and is unhealthy psychologically, and spiritually. None of the people in this video are qualified to speak to these aspects, and that is why it is a witchhunt based on inuendo and heresay.
Having recieved absolution for his sins for which he is contrite, and having receved the authority from the ordinary of the diocese where ChruchMilitant.tv is registered, nothing more should be said.
Sudden and miraculous healings are a Catholic thing too, btw.
How do we know Michael Voris does not have such "special oversight" by church leaders? He talks about going to confession and taking communion on a regular basis and he also constantly seeks the advice of well known catholic cardinals and bishops, so there's no reason to assume he is not getting proper guidance from the church leaders.
I wonder if Jones thinks Catholics should ignore the Epistles of St. Paul, since he was such a great sinner in his past life?
that was beautifully written...and very charitable and christian..thank you for writing that...god bless
This is a very interesting psychological analysis of the behavior of Michael Voris. I am thinking of Paul who after his conversion had to be put out of the way by his fellow Christians for some time until he gets rid of his fleshly zeal with which he first used to attack Christians and after his conversion used to debate the enemies of the church. The changing point was - as Paul himself tells us - when the father revealed Christ in him.
very good point thank you
Neither Dr. Jones nor Michael Voris have a monopoly on the truth. They are both have a right to voice their defence of the Church. Provided that they say nothing contrary to Church teaching I say "Bravo, let each one speak. Who am I to judge?' At this time in history, faithful Catholics should be united in Christ to spread the Good News.
EXACTLY! And that's why Dr. Jones is wrong, though. He should be offering to help or support those who are preaching the Truth (there are so many who aren't), instead of tearing one down who is less than perfect, but playing on the same team. I'm done with Jones. To heck with him.
Fuentes also mentioned he really likes the Vortex and Catholic Answers. Really gay friendly content.
@@chefEmersonWilliamsguess you look like a fool now......
That didn't age well
@@charleswheeler141lmao i came here to say this
I think that if Michael Voris were opened about his past from the beginning it would make his programs much more interesting. If you wish to ban people with the past from speaking up then what you would do with saint Augistine?
Voris is diametrically opposite to St Augustine. Because Voris, after the "miraculous conversion", behaves like a Donatist superior, and finds faults everywhere, and what is worst of all, broadcasting them everywhere. He assumes the role of God's whip. St Augustine, on the other hand, had his head clear and rational, and opposed Donatists. Augustine was a Catholic, Voris has never ceased to be enthusiast Protestant completely messed up by TV addiction.
Zvonimir Tosic
well... I don't know exactly what do you see in Voris that is so protestant. Is being agressive tv personality "protestant"? Where he fails to obey and teach Catholic doctrine? Any episodes of Vortex or whatever program you can point to as an example?
Augustine was also haunted by his past and is seemingly incoherent in his writing on the issue of free will which is crucial and was inspiring to Martin Luther in his revolt. so.... you know... talking about Protestantism...
That what Voris is selling, it can be called Catholicism only in America maybe. In the old world, where Catholicism is dominant culture since days of first martyrs, such an approach, rhetorics, whipping of audience, 'born again enthusiasm', development of media persona, etc. fit only used car salesmen. Unfortunately, majority of 'Catholic voices' today come from America, and to be noticed, they take approaches and vehicles of the dominant American culture, which by its inception is not Catholic, but Protestant and capitalist.
so the only thing you hold against Voris is his style? But I asked for material proof of him preaching heresy. I don't see any. If anything he is the only person holding some bitter US Catholics still in the Church with his energetic criticism of the US bishops while still not attacking the Pope
He indulges in character assassination, assumes the role of the Holy Ghost, mobilises people in rebellion against the authority, lacks knowledge of the Scripture, tradition and Catholic spiritual practice. Etc.
Great interview! Totally before it's time! Who knew we would need it April 24th, 2020 when Voris when off his rocker!!
What do you mean he went off his rocker??
I liked the interview but I didn't understand your comment
How’d he go off his rocker?
Good stuff Brothers.
Is the objection to Voris that he speaks the truth about the Church?
Is the objection to Voris that he “undermines” the Church even though he speaks the truth?
Is the objection to Voris that he was an active homosexual, so that he has no standing to speak?
What if the Church cannot save itself because the homosexuals within it are now too numerous and powerful?
Will it eventually right itself, but as a much, much smaller Church?
At a minimum I think Dr. Jones is saying that it is very probable that Mike Voris has some unhealed blind spots in his thinking coming as scars from the prior lifestyle. I would only say be careful to diversify, as they say, so that you do not pick up any subtle blind spots because of a diet coming from just one food source.
31:30
VERY, very interesting parallel drawn by our interviwer, vis. the founders contriving the US on the premise of rebellion against authority.
save the Church people
I have been a fan of Dr. Jones for years now. I have recently been looking into his work more. No doubt he has a high IQ, and he is a good Catholic. I listened to his talk about his book, Logos Rising, I thought it was very interesting.
The House of Israel is us
Amazon.com stopped selling Dr. Jones's eBook about Mr. Voris.
“This is projection of self loathing onto scapegoats.”
It’s like he gets a shot of adrenaline every time a new case of homosexual behavior among clergy is revealed.
My prediction is that Voris will overdose on this and I pray that it brings him to a healthy penance and not a return to homosexuality.
Dr Jones is so funny.
Dr. Jones called this one, but it looks like Michael is going to do what he suggests here. "The only way you can get to any position of prominence it in this culture is by being a narcissistic psychopath."; a chilling thought.
I really like this show. Is this available on podcast/Radio?
Eleutheria Bear I can ask my friend who runs the cameras if he can be put on podcast radio.
@@peter52helland Thank you, It would really help me listen while on my morning commute.
I don't think Jonesey TRIED but, however inadvertently, in this dialog he peels the onion skins away to arrive at the HEART of the CONFESSIONAL.
The question that is first on my mind. Is what Voris says true? As much as I love the work of Mr. Jones he never said anything to make me think otherwise. We can talk about his motives all day, only God knows the truth about that. Again, are his statements true? If so then he is uncovering a massive evil no matter what deep psychological motives may be driving him.
Dr. Jones looks jacked for a grandpa
A bit over-the-top from Dr. Jone's point of view. While he rightly outlines the dangers of "Protestanizing" the Church through improper Evangelizing, especially via the process of externalizing (projecting) your demons, it is the "11th" hour after all.
On the other hand, I do find Michael Voris to be a bit too "Billy Graham".
Actually, on second thought, I'm going to err toward Voris on this one; maybe we need some Savonarola energy.
Narcissism is a spectrum and we ALL fit on that spectrum to one degree or another. Some of us more so than others. Thank God Jesus paid the price for our sin and it's not imperative to be perfect although we can all keep striving for Holiness and to be more selfless.
Vorris makes more sense than Jones. I'm not buying.
TheStarflight41 Yes, agreed.
Voris still making more sense than Jones? You still not buying???
Jones is great but I don't like the way he quotes Canon Law without making all the distinctions necessary (defining all the terms) to give it the full force and the appropriate instances where it applies. Not saying he is wrong, just saying that appeals to Canon Law have to be done with great rigor which I think his ebook lacked.
Siv Jensen : no longer an impartial professional
ha
I love your work E. Michael Jones but I was perplexed by this interview. It seems mean spirited and unnecessary.
Then you don’t understand homosexuality.Do you know any homosexuals on personal basis?
You still perplexed by Jones telling the truth about Voris???
What is it with Catholics, always look so healthy! Must be something to it ;)
Whois This Met Jones recently and he looks great. His wife too!!
Thumbs UP for white jeans crew!
Loved the video!
😂
Eugene Michael Jones
I met him recently. He moved close to my nose and directly asked me, “ When did you come into consciousness?” ❤️❤️❤️
Wow, this is great insight. I think it shows why Michael Voris' has such hate for the SSPX.
--I don't agree with some of what voris says--he is a bit disobedient like some conservative know it alls. but come on the leadership of the church deserves to be slammed. you cant do what they have done and let them get away with it.
Yes, and WE deserve to KNOW!
This all sounds like they're blaming the problems in the church on Mike
Boy what hope Voris must have that Dr Jones thinks theres a chance for him.
Put a table in between you next time. Your knees are almost touching, it looks weird
Theres nothing weird about that, your mind might be weird if you think that it is.
To the pure all things are pure.
Their knees are too close together
😂😂😂
"So they came out and went into the pigs, and the whole herd rushed the steep bank into the lake and drowned in the water."
Matthew 8:34
WOW, this is a hit piece.
Hit piece? Or the truth that time has now proven..... See whats going on with Voris... Now go back to sleep
I was WRONG!
@@Gman539
@@CatholicCristeroMan enough to admit it, God bless you.
WOW, I was WRONG!
I am not sure about Malachi Martin. He was working for the Jews??
Voris sounds a bit like a Catholic televangelist.
22:15 Did you just curse ?, E Michael Jones
Yes he did and I quote: "for God's sake"
Actually I would like to know what got Michael H. eight years in jail. BTW, it was the German Henry IV who stood in the snow at Canossa .
Just seeing this for the first time following about 2 years of supporting MW. He does some good however the level of vitriol he levies is tiresome. At the very least it’s hard to listen to his repetitive rhetoric. I did find out a few months in he was a homosexual. Odd.
ffs why do you people insist on having single channel audio
WATCH MY PLAYLISTS FOR THE TRUTH PLEASE ! ! ! it is all in stereo
if I use headphones the channels are split so sound only comes out of one side; not true stereo at all
WATCH MY PLAYLISTS FOR THE TRUTH PLEASE ! ! ! The producer says it is true stereo, left and right
my headphones work fine for every other youtube channel, so pretty sure the problem's not on my end. Try out some headphones.
The producer just checked it with headphones on a desktop PC and with cell phone using Bluetooth and it worked good; one channel with Mike on the right the other channel with me on the left.
In my study of my Catholic Faith, I've come to completely reject evolution, and in fact think it's ra ridiculous notion. Officially "The Church" does not endorse either "theory". So, we as Catholics are free to accept Creation or evolution. However, those who "believe in" evolution must accept that Adam and Eve were in a state of "perfection" and "intimacy" with God, and then "FELL" by disobedience (rebellion), Jesus came to Save us, by reversing the disobedience with Obedience, and sacrifice. He became the Sacrificial Lamb, the fulfillment of the Passover in Egypt. I have come to believe that evolution is incomparable with the fundamental theology of the Church.
Yes. It contradicts the faith. Unfortunately almost all schools of learning (at least in America and probably outside too) under the Roman Catholic umbrella teach theistic evolution. Most Catholics believe in it because their leadership does.
Why doesn’t he talk about Cupich, Barron, Gay Martin, Dolan or Bergolio?
That are wrongly questioned from the outset..!
@ 45:00 "the only way you can rise in this culture is to be a narcissistic psycopath". Every movie projects this emmulation from it's "hero". Characters are never driven by true morality or virtue.
It's also pretty hard to find anyone in a public position who isn't bought and paid for by the establishment. Think about Cynthia Mckinney, the black congresswoman who says she was asked to sign a loyalty oath to Israel for campaign support. It's nauseating.
Is it me, or does someone seem to be projecting narcissism onto everyone?
Narcissism is a very popular word now, and people love to spout it. They are not qualified. My cousin, a psychiatric nurse has died, but she told me when everyone was diagnosed "bi-polar!" Popular at that time. I have ADD and have similar traits, but I'm not bi-polar. Everything seems to think they are a pop psychologist and love to pin on labels.
MsTEXASJO these things are useful terms used to express ideas. Your mistake is buying into the credentialism and believing it to be a science. Look into the history of the DSM editions and notice the influence that political pressure has on it. We call people these things because it kinda sorta fits and that works. I find it interesting that this kind of sensitivity is reaching a fevered pitch here in the West at the same time we seem to be imploding.
When he revealed himself as a homosexual and about his past, I started to doubt him. The video the Diamond brothers made about him, actually made me stop watching him. I remembered him and watched a video and saw his appearance and thinking, “This guy is definitely still a homosexual…”. I saw that he resigned from CM and I wonder if he went back to his old ways… 🤔
When Scorsese came out with the last temptation of some guy - certainly not Christ - Mother Angelica went ape.
And I can remember asking myself at 15 years of age, "WHY on EARTH is she shovelling legitimacy on some asshole's movie?"
I am skeptical that the family environment contributes much to homosexuality for the fact that most homosexual men have heterosexual siblings. Generally, any trait caused by parenting will have a high correlation among all the siblings raised in the same household.
Some observers and authors note that how one interacts with his peers may be even a stronger indicator than the father - son relationship.
I totally agree.
@@americandropbear5081 Do you agree because you studied the issue and read those who teach it? Or do you agree from just evacuating it from personal experience?
Just from stories I've heard ex-gay individuals tell regarding their backgrounds.
I'm not buying this. Let us also look at the current state of Hollywood, media, advertising, social media promoting homosexuality to children, even in the public schools. Also the whole transgender thing in public schools, even children story time at the library.
Criticizing Mother Angelica is over the top, and unnecessary. This is about Voris, not a Franciscan Nun.
How is it possible to conduct an interview . . . especially people of experience who rely on broadcasting . . where the sound and particularly the balance of the sound is just awful Unfortunately whilst I think Dr Jones is a great insightful and hugely knowledgable thinker I don't regard this video ass his finest moment
grahamcmusic You might be listening to one channel only. Use stereo headphones or stereo speakers. Also back then was the catacombs so to speak. To get the word out no professionals were to be found. Sometimes all you have available is a sling shot.
Thanks for getting back I was using stereo headphones . . .in fact high level headphones You are not alone where the sound is not ideal A wee test to try out the sound might help @@peter52helland
@@peter52helland Again, stereo in pure dialogue (one side dead for long periods) is extremely hard to bear in headphones. FYI
15:30 Not all protestants believe that you do an alter call and your sins such homosexuality are admonished. In fact many Independent Fundamental Baptists believe that homosexuality is not merely a forgivable sin but it is an effect of being given over to a reprobate mind which is punishable by death. Romans 1: 24-32
In order for one to become a homosexual you must already have the following- lust in yout heart, a willingness to dishonor your body, change the truth of God, and worship the creature more than God. Then God will give you over to a reprobate mind to do all the things listed in verses 29-32.
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
Wow talk about psychobabble.
The only sensible question asked by the interviewer during this waste of one hour was regarding Cardinal Dolan and whether or not his actions merited criticism. Conveniently Professor Jones evades the question by returning to his ad nauseam conclusion that everything Michael does and says is a result of his bottled up gay narcissism (In fact if you consider angry criticism of evil men and deeds narcissism then you are pointing the finger at yourself).
I’m sorry Professor Jones, I have a lot of respect for the work you do but your assessment of Michael Voris is completely off the mark and uncharitable to say the least. I know that you care about the state of the Church and the world and have done a brilliant job documenting and analyzing all of the external threats to our Faith and
culture. In this sense you and Mr. Voris are the same but the main difference is that he has taken on the cross of exposing the internal threat to our Faith. I’m sorry Sir, but you must recognize that our Church has been infiltrated by these same enemies that you have no qualms about criticizing to nth degree (Wake up Mr. Jones these men are now on the inside!). Faithful Catholics need to unite in our opposition to those that are destroying the Church from without and WITHIN! - I really hope that you would reconsider your position on this crucial issue.
Pete you would have been in good company in the jail.
I really don't get how you two can actually assume such knowledge in these things! You must be great physiologists and intimate knowledge of those you speak about!
Gay
The human-animal is ugliness itself.
"Repentance will not decrease one sense of self-loathing maybe...?"
Conjecture hyperbole and completely unnecessary conversation.
Garbage.
The problem wasn't that Voris criticized too much, but rather too little and refusing to criticising Francis for doing the same things as the bishops.
35:13 And there it is. Jones is just being what the kids call "a hater". Voris is spot on in his UA-cam analysis of culture and the Catholic Church. Until I watched this I just assumed that Jones and Voris were more theologically alike than not alike, but I see there are ideological differences. Apparently Jones doesn't believe in the healing power of faith to fix one's wrong-think once they commit homosexual sins. Is this fair to say of his stance? Could this really be mostly about Jones being salty over Voris' production quality?
Capt. Cutler this man is really partial against Michael.
Still high on Voris?
Most of the comments miss the point. Major inner stresses come from childhood. And sin / troubles need healing (penance in reality). Voris has done some good work, but Jones is identifying how Voris' motivations are partly personalized. However, Jones misses how much the Church is sick, needing a lot of zeal to fix. Voris doesn't even see the papal problem properly and it's the one major blind spot for Jones regarding Church history. People upset aren't misunderstanding Nostra AEtate; it was intended as a wrecking ball. Vatican II is poison. Paul VI wore the breastplate of the Jewish High Priest many times (also worn by some Masons). He told his Protestant friend, Guitton, that he was going to "blow the seven trumpets of the Apocalypse". He was buried as a Jew, in a plain wooden box, etc. Obviously, since people are complex, and also since lies require subtlety or at least denials at times, some evidence is contradictory, but it has a clear thread showing subversion.
What limited videos I watched on That Mike V. guy he is harder line than most people I see preaching against homosexuality. ...What people miss is the scripture is that Adultry and lust toward straight people is talked on way more than homosexuality....So none of us are cleaner than anyone else gay or straight we all have a cross to bear we all have to over come our sexual sides that ultimatley separate us from the creator....and that is the reason sexual immorality is a sin its not that its gross to God as much as it causes a rebelious state ...as far as the Mike Guy is concerned unless I missed some thing...it is nobody except Christs business of the details...from what I understand he made it clear he lived a sexual immoral life....what i see is people wanting gossip...
After years of watching both men it's Jones who comes across as a very smart man and agree with his analysis. Voris turned out to be right about Dolan anyway. There hasn't been true unity since the last supper and that ended the same night? Tell us something we don't know Mr Jones?
How about now? You see Jones was right about Voris?
Voris and his sins doesn't change the truths that he stated? Peter denied Christ three times but we trust his word right? When and if Jones has a skeleton in his closet revealed will you reject what he says in this video?
@@amdg2023 What Jones said in this video is 100% truth, why would i ever reject it???? I doubt Jones will ever have a scandal of being a degenerate and even if he did i only follow him because he tells the truth publicly. Your the one who lacks discernment and listens to filth like Voris who Jones called out years ago. But you still deny what Jones said, I can hear the cock crowing.......
Penance or projection
Pete Shields 🎯
Michael Voris is an amazing traditional Catholic who defends the Church faithfully, whilst I love E. Michael Jones, this interview is way off based.
So is Voris still a great Catholic, and Jones still of base? Tell me smartypants...
@@Gman539Bro this was two years ago
@@lyricalmike7162 hope your not as ignorant now as you were then...
@@Gman539New information came out captain obvious
@@lyricalmike7162 Jones called him for what he was years ago, and the guy showed his true colors... The only new news is Voris exposed who he was all along, which Jones called years ago....
This is one of the most relevatory of all EM Jones interviews after watching many. I now have extra respect for Peter Helland who must have had a close encounter with God while in prison. I know of no other Catholic who has quoted Scripture as much as him - in over 60 years. I would have to counter EMJ in that he faulted Protestants for easy believism, claiming that once they confess Jesus 'Everthing is roses.' The truth is that every real Christian believer finds that he is on a new journey with Jesus, and that for sure includes some trouble with joy Colossians 1:11. To be fair EMJ also faults the confessant who tells the priest his sins and is then 'just left off the hook with three Hail Marys.' Something more troubling that was stated is that Michael Voris has indelible scars because of past sins. That his sin outranked fornication and even adultery. My reply that it is all covered by the mercy and blood of Christ and accusers of the brethren should not think their own - non sexual sins- do not need the same mercy. Unfortunately the Catholic church teaches that someone addicted to a sin must downplay, depress and repress the sinful addiction that evolves from thought. Jesus came to "condemn sin in the flesh" and that includes those very lusts that start in the heart. It may be an instant deliverance or it may take a long time, no matter, He Is Able To Deliver Thee. And lets not think that past sins which have been forgiven must rule and reign in our minds. Christ paid the heaviest of ransoms for us so that we could have His peace.
He went to prison?
@@lyricalmike7162 no, he helped them
@@gregcoleman9677 prison guard?
@@lyricalmike7162 no, fellowship, out reach
@@gregcoleman9677 Ah ok, thank you for the clarification.
Dear Dr. E. Michael Jones - I generally love your work but couldn't an advocate of the Devil say that you are indeed 'trying to get yourself off the hook' (35:12) for doing what Michael Voris does, while attacking him behind his back? That your obsession with Jews and gays means you used to be one (or still secretly are) and hate yourself for it? And that maybe you are just as much a narcissist for writing books, publishing a magazine and giving speeches on the internet? Can any repentant sinner warn other people about his previous sins? Did Saint Paul not find 'a vehicle to project his self-loathing onto others', or Saint Augustine?
Did you talk to Michael Voris before gossiping about him? What do you mean that you were 'willing to help, but he chose the road (of narcissism)' (51:01)? I totally agree with you that gossiping about Cardinals and Bishops without talking to them first is not helpful, but should Catholics not warn other Catholics of certain hypocrite Catholics even if they are in the hierarchy? I'm not yet a Catholic but I am talking to a priest about becoming one. God bless you, and Peter Helland, and Michael Voris. Greetings from Jasper
God Bless you for your admonishment given with spiritual maturity and love. Welcome to the Church Militant. May we all help one another to at least be with the Church Suffering, or best of all ultimately with the Church Triumphant before our King of Kings!
Thanks +Rod Zalewski! Did you know I am also exceedingly wise, hilarious and humble? God bless you too, greetings from Jasper
He's evil
@@43slaxIs Jones still evil for telling you the truth about Voris???
I'm hearing way too much armchair psychoanalyzing from a person who lacks the education to diagnose anyone's mental health. This video comes off like two old ladies gossiping at a beauty parlor.
EMJ has a PhD from Temple. Take a look at his incredible body of work, the man is an intellectual giant who has written authoritatively on spiritual, economic, psychological, religious, cultural, and sociological issues. He's qualified to comment on Voris, and this is coming from someone who appreciates some of Voris' work.
It IS gossip. Thank you for saying that, brother. I am blocking this channel, and this guy who hosts Dr. Jones, and Dr. Jones--I was just buying one of your books, but when it comes, I will give it to charity...maybe the Salvation Army. You're done. You cannot serve God and mammon.
I do enjoy these two and may subscribe to Culture Wars. However they do not understand Easy Gracism. If a penitent goes to a Protestant altar and asks for forgiveness and confesses that Jesus is Lord and believes that Jesus rose from the dead - it does not end there. But we must expect they have been Washed in the Blood of Jesus (Not transubstantiated wine). God will continue to lead, bless, and chastise His children from then on, unless the one time penitent declines the grace of God. PH and EMJ should not just look at liberal Protestants and Evangelicals which would negate everything I just said. If a priest repents the Lord forgives, why dont you? It is said that Catholics who have gay or hetero lustful desires should keep those desires depressed. But Jesus came to condemn sin IN THE FLESH. IOW He can cleanse anyone of their lusts so that those very thoughts are replaced by other Godly thoughts - Logi - word of God. It may take time but Jesus is the shepherd to lead one into paths of righteousness for His name's sake.
St. Paul said we are to take all thoughts captive to the obedience of Christ. Any wrong sexually lustful thought is wrong. Just not acting on these lustful thoughts is not enough. I agree with you I think.
I can't speak for Mike, of course, but just as women are excluded from leadership roles is it possible that certain sins may have so scarred us that it would be wise not to take certain leadership roles in the Church because of these sins?
Voris is the consummate hypocrite.
Amazing how otherwise knowledgeable people throw around the diagnostic term, Narcissist... In EM Jones case, it's tantamount to the Pot calling the Kettle Black! This is a pure Gossip Video... (Says way more about the 2 who made it, than anyone else!)
This is crap.
Is the truth still crap to you???
back staber
Is telling the truth still considered back stabbing?
I want to go to Heaven so I will probably never meet either of you when I die.
Jones and his ego are way to much to listen too.
More and more .. selfish opinions..!
Two poseurs throwing out Jesuitical offensives against any (other) strong group.
It seems to me Dr Jones is a very judgmental jealous man. After hearing his cruel analysis of Voris and Mother Angelica Im going to send Voris some money. By the way me thinks the Dr doth protest too much.
Exactly murder is an unatural act. To subscribe to that thinking is to deny that Christs mercy is unlimited. Jones gives me a weird vibe. Hes made other statements that sounds more like his ego than the Holy Spirit. Its my opinion. I dropped sexual sin like a hot potato for and by the grace of Our Lord and his church. God Bless
Robert Hatton Agree.