Michael Voris and the Downfall of Church Militant?
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- Опубліковано 6 вер 2024
- Has the Catholic community's unity been truly tested through Michael Voris and Church Militant's shift from unveiling corrupt bishops to a more confrontational stance against its own members? Join us as we dissect this phenomenon, bringing to light the concept of 'audience capture' and the divisive effects it has had on Michael and others. We fervently discuss the critical need for respectful dialogue, emphasizing the crucial role it plays in fostering open conversations - especially between traditional and conservative Catholics.
Shifting gears, we pour into our personal journeys and collective observations during Pope Francis' reign, revealing its ripple effects on the Catholic community. We unmask the Church's reaction to the Pope's actions, and the social media's role in sculpting these conversations. The discussion deepens with the controversial ousting of Bishop Strickland, raising questions about the Church's priorities and its handling of sensitive issues. Ultimately, we underscore the Church's duty to remain a beacon of clarity and reason amidst a world veiled in complexities. So come, partake in this enlightening discourse with us.
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As a new Catholic I can definitely say the infighting is painful to watch.
This infighting is primarily due to the “unpaid bills” of the Church staring from the 1970’s. It will sort itself in time but now leadership has to “pay up” or clean out those bishops that should not be in the Church. May God Bless you.
I hear what you're saying. I converted to Catholicism & the very next year, Benedict resigned. The last 10 yrs have been quite a roller coaster. However, I now view the condition of the Church & its hierarchy as being exposed & laundered. No longer is there room for complacency. It's actually an exciting time to be alive. We see the goats. Praise to you Lord Jesus Christ.
There are now 1.4 BILLION Roman Catholics. With such a large congregation, you will find just about every possible kind of person within Catholicism. So you must use spiritual discernment to find spiritual sources. Church Militant was/is hateful and did lie to you. There are many much better channels.
G.S.F.,
Stay faithful and steadfast to your Catholic faith. I'm a Permanent Deacon and run RCIA in my parish. As a life-long Catholic, what's happening in the Church is painful to me, too. This Church does not belong to any Pope; it belongs to Christ. And He promised His Divine protection.
Stay strong, my brother!
@@maureensaunders1102Excellent points... Yes, can't we all get along ?...... That is our desire, but I've had to learn more & quickly to keep up with the "diabolical disorientation" that is manifesting in the Church. Would I be able to define my Catholic beliefs had they not been put to the test? Maybe, but all this activity makes me think, study & pray more. 🙏
Michael Voris of church militant has helped me a great deal with my faith, I offered Mass for him this morning and will continue praying and offering Rosaries for him. JMJ, God is good.
I just watched Voris' address. I must say it was raw. I feel very sad for him and i pray he is able to find healing. In the end, a message of hope.
That is what is needed when a fellow Christian falls we shouldn't rejoice in it, there we go if not by the Grace of God. Let us pray for our brother in Christ for his conversion and healing.
I watched his video and I wonder how his conduct has affected others directly or indirectly. I hope that his "horrible demons, conduct and moral failures" have not emotionally destroyed the lives of others. Prayers for Michael and all those that are affected by this sad situation.
The others are as well adults, so they should be able to coop.
The constant hate and disinformation on Church Militant turned me off after being a faithful viewer for the first couple years. When Michael at one point proclaimed that a person stopped being gay if they never had gay sex, I had to bail because it was so absurd. Does a heterosexual person stop being heterosexual if they don't have sex? When self-proclaimed Catholic media celebrities totally ignore science and basic common sense, then I bail. One of my best friends is a Catholic priest. He is gay and always will be. He is chaste but doesn't pretend that he therefore suddenly is no longer gay. Since Michael seemed to repress his gay sexuality instead of dealing with it, I am not surprised that in some moral sense, he exploded. I obviously do not know if his moral infraction was related to his gay sexuality (which he repeatedly proclaimed was gone now through a sheer act of will - which never works in the long run), but to me he was always a malice filled ticking time bomb. From a psychological viewpoint (and I am a retired Catholic psychiatrist) he was always pretty scary. Projection of self-loathing onto "evil doers" became the reason for Church Militant's existence. A vicious crusade against "evil doers" (where the ends justify the means) leads to moral corruption and soul damage. I never saw even a hint of Christ's love on Church Militant.
Very well said
Yeah, I don’t get how people didn’t see Voris’ venom as obvious self loathing. Being convinced of one’s own self righteousness is dangerous as they become impervious to any form of criticism, even from friends trying to help, and chalk it up to the hate they’re eliciting from the baddies. No course correction or self reflection is possible at that point, and they’ll keep going, destroying everything and everybody in their path until they get smacked.
Stopping being an alcohol addict doesn't mean that you stop being attracted to alcohol. You have to resist this wrong attraction all your life. In the same way those who stop being gay may still have same sex attraction and resist this attraction being aware that it is wrong.
There's no such thing as "being gay."
@@VACatholic Many people have a homosexual sexual orientation. That means they are attracted to members of the same sex. THIS is called "being gay". Being gay is not an action but a state of being. "Being heterosexual" means you are attracted to members of the opposite sex. Even if you are chaste and celibate your entire life, you remain heterosexual or homosexual. See how that works? Your dogma that may imply that everyone is heterosexual is simply 100% wrong according to all medical science. Being gay is not a choice but a realization, often at puberty. This realization is often accompanied by self-loathing and sorrow. The Church seems to encourage this. Two thirds of teen suicides are now estimated to be gay teens who see no reason to continue living. But thanks for sharing your ignorance.
Church militant was a big asset in my conversion about five years ago, I stopped following them when it just turned to hate.
Ditto
What hate?
@@R.C.425Was it when Voris stopped wearing a necktie? That was what tipped me off.
Same here.
@@R.C.425 Went after a lot of Traditional Catholics, especially SSPX. Committed calumny about many priests and any who supported them. Even called them 'pedophile Nazis,' which given his own sinful lifestyle, was quite hypocritical to say the least.
I liked Michael Voris his talks on theology were excellent. They're asking for money was pushy.
I'm a Boomer went through Vatican 11 lost my faith. Hated the novous order....
We can't have a Latin
Mass in our diocese. My friend said the other day. Who's older than me... Remember when we went to Mass..
We went to Mass all over the world same Mass.. Same thing now we're considered trads or this or something There's a label on everybody and I agree with the statement I read this morning. Why can't Catholics quit fighting? It's just what the enemy wants divide and conquer. Thank you for your podcast prayers...❤🙏
Also, it was refreshing to hear someone feel the way I did about Michael Lofton and Brian Holdsworth. I felt like Brian gave a reasonable, measured response and Lofton treated him with a crazy amount of condescension and finger-wagging about "misleading his viewers." I love a lot of what Lofton is doing but man, I had enough after that.
Lofton is just another version of Vors.
Rubbish. Voris spued hate, lofted is measured and charitable.
@@michaelmcgrath6054if Lofton is measured and charitable, why has he lost so many friends over the last few years?
I am thankful to God that I have a Holy Priest at our parish. He is the father I can look to for how to navigate the craziness in the Church and State. The problem is too many people do not have access this and so they look all over the internet for a father.
I think Church Militant is done unless they have some real leadership.
Without Michael Voris and Christine Niles, I wonder where Church Militant will go. Will they be able to get an audience?
As a journalist Voris took a wrong turn when he stopped pursuing unfaithful bishops and instead turned on faithful Catholic journalists and began his ludicrous vendetta against the SSPX.
This was just after he had announced a massive research effort into which bishop had consecrated which, promising that this would enable him to unmask a major network of episcopal sinners. Then nothing. Just anti-trad bombast.
You guys don't understand the damage Lofton is currently doing. His type of videos could have been justified back in 2013-15, but not now. Now he's spiritually destroying souls.
What nonsense. He takes current news and applies logic to it. Remember logic? It gave us science and most of what you use on a daily basis in your life?
Utter Rubbish. Loften is measured balanced and charitable. I wish I could say the same for Church Militant and others
@@michaelmcgrath6054 get your head out of the sand and stop thinking that we can justify everything the pope does and says. Lofton and his cult members(you) are doing a disservice to the church.
@@michaelmcgrath6054more like condescending and a click baiter
He need to be responsible in his research & cease misquoting someone, when he should know better. After his hatchet-job on Bishop Strickland, I know longer pay attention to Lofton.@@willchristie2650
As when his local bishop and his chancelry 'threatened' to tell true tails about Mr Vortex, he did the right thing, 'fessed up, went to confession, and made a firm purpose of amendment. And Catholics were right there with him .. with an open-hearted understanding, love, and support. Are we really to change now .. because he did not address all his own personal demons .. are we to shut him out of our care because he has accepted the penitential wisdom of stepping aside - to face the diabolic in his life .. are we to prove Pope Francis right in his horrible accusations against faithful Catholic, being judgemental, backward, and mean? No!
We stand with Michael in his struggle, where else should we be ..? St Philip Neri .. Pray for us.
Keep the Faith; tell the truth, shame the devil, and let the demons shriek.
God bless. ;o)
P.S. If you know him, let him know he is still very much loved, appreciated, and cared for. Now let him be, to do what work needs to be done. And let all the abusers know .. there can indeed be reconciling amendment .. if the will is there ...
My local lead minister thinks that Michael Voris led hundreds, if not thousands, of possible converts AWAY from the Church with his constant diatribes. If you need a hero, try Bishop Fulton Sheen or the Saints, not Voris.
@@willchristie2650 He may well have done, though that was not his intention .. clearly bishops did not get an easy ride with Mr Vortex. I do rate Fulton Sheen as a heroic witness to the faith, not Michael Voris. But Voris is a sinner, and a penitent one .. am I, therefore, to cast him aside?
I never liked his shock-jock style, and said so, repeatedly, however, he opened many eyes firmly shut to genuine episcopal mismanagement. This might have aided the swift drift away from our senior pastors, and their management of decline .. by smiles, faux initiatives, and downright deceitful quiescence.
It is they who drove Catholics away from the practice of the Faith, Mr V magnified the reality for all to see .. because he had an inside understanding of the diabolical state of affairs, at an intensely personal level.
Keep the Faith; tell the truth, shame the devil, and let the demons shriek.
God bless. ;o)
i watch different catholic channels also i am subscribed to church militant i was impressed ny the courage they gave of the synod and opinions . i do not know too much bout michael voris i am saddened that he is experience difficulties but lets pray for all catholics in social media for there protection from tempations that they be humble and Christ centered and bring the truth of the catholic faith to all .
Fully agree ❤
CM acted like the Synod would destroy the Church. All the hysteria and lies. Now the Synod is done and NOTHING HAS HAPPENED. This was only an advisory Synod with no power to actually change anything. But RadTrad channels were like Chicken Little running around crying that the sky is falling. It wasn't. The amount of misinformation given on CM is astonishing unless you make CM your only outlet for Catholic information, which is equivalent to only watching Fox News.
In my own conversion I youtubed a lot and gained a lot of Traditional knowledge that I never learned. Then I began to notice all the backbiting. I've pulled away from several/most channels. It's important to be aware of what's going on in the Church but most importantly it's vital to pray for my own soul, all my loved ones and all souls. The Church will prevail. Being the best, most prayerful, charitable Catholic that I can be is what is required of me.
Church Militant and especially Michael Voris was peak Conservative Boomer. Loudly and Aggressively bring up problems and scandal but literally suggest no solutions (besides donations to said organization). Even though I might agree a lot with problems in the Church I found watching them spiritually deadening.
Yes, it was good that certain issues were examined, but most were predictable & were just a bash session.
@@jackj5368
Are most catholics "liberal progressive" democrats?
Mike from RTF was completely transparent in all the facts. He had the truth and won in the end. He also lost everything because of Voris. I understand his anger and now he will be done with it, he is a faithful Catholic.
Maybe it’s God who wants Michael Voris to slow down and rethink and we have to be charitable and pray for his low moment .
What really matters is what Michael Lofton thinks. Didn’t you get the memo? 😂
Ha! Ha!
@@masinaverde901 Good grief! 🙄
Lofton is to theology what KFC is to nutrition. Dave Gordon, I won't even comment.
@@marekeos
It's Timothy Gordon
You guys are to Catholics what Happy Gilmore is to golf.
Michael Lofton is the most responsible Catholic online today. Like it or not!
I've just discovered this channel after hearing you guys mentioned by Keith Nester and man oh man, I love it already. Despite the tough moment for Church Militant and the Church, it's great to hear you guys discussing the Church and Christ over politics in such a faithful, relatable way and the temptation for us all to get into that solely anti-lib mindset (and I say this as a staunch conservative).
Not to worry, Bigfoot. It will get nuttier. 😊
Keith is awesome.
Well this is the type of person that has to be in prayer, confession, and a few monitor exorcism per year to keep him away from his skeletons in the closet. And for the rest of us , it wouldn't be a bad idea to do the same.
Church Militant was all about money. They spewed hate venom and committed calumny. I pray for his full repentance. Christine's Viles is as well.
I don't mind the fighting, but fighting is supposed to be part of a 3 step process: fight it out fully, take step back & realize where you're wrong, make up & be friends again. Too many either want to half or 3/4 fight, or they want to win at any cost (for their ego's sake or out of fear of losing) and fight with metaphorical nukes.
Agreed! Thank you. 👍🏻
Exactly! 👍🏻
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Catholic infighting is heart breaking! Use your arguing skills to hammer the heretics not each other. I respected Michael Voris I don't know all what happened but I hope it is revealed.
I hope this comment gets a million upvotes
Me too.
I returned to the faith 2 years ago because of the Bergoglian pontificate, along with seeing my sons having to try to swim in this morass of Dogma, doctrine, and morality, ecclesially and societally. This all points to the reality of not only ecclesial history but also putting to the truth of all the prophesies regarding the end times. So, despite the irregularities in my life, I am happy to be back to my faith, picking up where I left off in my traditional journey. Good bless you guys!
When it comes down to it, the moral8ity, dogma, doctrine is all still true and needs to be adhered to. It's not optional if you want to be Catholic.
Truly excellent chit chat yet again gents, loved it. It's so true that this Catholic infighting hurts us all but it must hurt the heart of our dear God the Father so much more, don't you think? 😢
B: "I'm going unscripted and speak from the heart"
M: "You need to cite every word exactly and address every point I brought up in a detailed and nuanced presentation or you're wrong"
He's become the Skinner meme, everyone is wrong but him.
As for Voris, I feel they sowed the seeds for all this in-fighting. I TRIED to like his apostolate since they did try to focus on orthodoxy, but there was always so much anger in calling things out and flaming that I knew it wasn't good for me when I too was hating those that did wrong. Praying he's able to reset and come back better.
Church Militant did a hit piece on Catholic Mutual (basically an insurance company for Catholic entities), who I used to work for, and then painted them as a slush fund for bad bishops. It was the clearest proof that there was no need for evidence in their stories. And the SSPX stuff was horrible. Y’all are good guys 😂😂😂
Yeah, they were more like a tabloid looking for the next target in their crosshairs to destroy, but all fueled by a blindly self righteous attitude that they were the good guys in every scenario.
I’m think Strickland was already marked for elimination when he stood up at the USCCB and called out James Martin…
Francis Papacy woke a lot of people up and I was one of them... I was like..."What the heck is going on with the Church!"...
Bishop Barron, Catholic Answers, and Church Militant were huge in helping me keep my faith through high school and college. I do agree with most of what you guys said. I do think that those 3 have to get frustrated when the masses that they have brought into the church and retained in the church, end up questioning their faith or the legitimacy of the papacy when they get too deep into the Tradsphere. Those 3 did that largely by explaining the faith to people that didn’t fully understand it. And then they are brought right out of the faith through gossip and conspiracy and commentators that make a living by making click-bait content. Its frustrating to see.
If you want the true Catholic faith, I urge everyone to read Bishop Fulton Sheen's books.
The Tradsphere is a BEAUTIFUL place to be!🌹
I love Trads. 🙏
I pray the Mike Voris. Please be kind my brothers.
Voris was ruthless on himself, so he was ruthless on everyone else as well.
My thought from the beginning was he was tired & toxic - a sure sign of an addiction.
Voris got riffed due to a morality issue. My guess is all the burned bridges made him a lonely man and he fell back into same sex attraction looking for love in all the wrong places. Let's pray that he gets back on track with the Lord.
This is what I have been thinking, too. He might not like being compared to a Protestant, but Lonnie Frisbee had this struggle with SSA. He repented while he was dying from Aids.
No, Voris NEVER said that everything about traditionalism must be fought. You are completely wrong on that. You should apologize for mistating his postion, just because he correctly pointed out the severe problems with the SSPX.
Hey Guys. Heads up. Father Mawdsley's latest book has been banned on Amazon
Saw that coming!
Very sad for what is happening with CM. Now thinking about all these great young people working there…😢
Many were already let go in the past year. I know one of them. Financial mishandling will come out eventually.
For me ; Kerygma + not taking yourself too seriously = AB. Keep doing want you're doing guys. In hoc signo vinces ✝️ .
What happened to Voris? Got the feeling he was fired but if so for what? What's going on with him..did he say something, or have a moment like Steve skojczek from onepeterfive, and leave the Church? GOD BLESS THEM BOTH
He resigned (under some pressure) because he violated his own morality clause. Christine Niles gives a good take on her channel.
Boomer #1 : 69-77 age
Boomer #2: 59-68 age
That's pretty much what drives the N.O.
Let's face it, felt banner decor & eardrum shattering guitar music does not call one to prayer. Vatican II imposed these changes. It did not come naturally by grace & prayer.
What's natural? Prayer & worship of God in Church.
Agreed. But what are your thoughts about the fact that a lot of these guitar type singing groups tend to be younger people. I pray for the TLM to be normalized again and for Gregorian chant to become the main type of music, but when I see younger people joining "bands" to sing at Mass, it's clear that not just boomers want that too.
No Boomers at Vatican II
@@Molly-sv9ynIMO the younger "praise bands" are copies of what is seen in other Christian (protestant) Churches. Ask if the "good" Bands receive a stipend from Church or is it all voluntary. Many people have talents & they are offering them to God. That is wonderful. However, many Christian Bands, of all stripes, are very far from God. Pray for them. 🙏
@@richard8242 True, the N.O. & VII Prelates imposed VII on "the greatest generation" who adapted it because the authority of the Church was never questioned. Church heirachy would not change TRUE doctrine. Right? The kids of the "greatest generation " are those boomers who had the parental comfort to stay with the slow infusion. Only in hindsight can we see the workings of modernism & the desire to make Catholicism blend into other Christian groups in the hope that those "protestants" would want to return, by ecumenism, back to Catholicism. In hindsight, once again, not a smart move! Now the New World Order, earth worshiping, man worshiping, religion is firmly implanted in Rome. The Catacombs Pact has come to fruition. Will Rome be the seat of the anti-Christ? Some say so. 🙏
When Vatican 2 was concluded, most Boomers had not yet reached puberty. I was 10. Give me a break with the generational bashing.
I'm 81.....watching M.Vorhis was disheartening to say the LEAST!
Rob, great job, amazing work on your part, keep it up! We need you
I guess his lies and falsehoods got trapped and exposed
🤣🤣🤣🤣 Great comment, straight from Voris
Nothing can escape the Vortex...
Guys remember. Our faith is in the Lord himself. Many human beings have tried to rise to the occasion and be humble servants of the Lord in the salvation of souls.
But sin is real. No one can rest easy but constantly watch for the state of his/her own soul.
Take the spiritual gifts you received through someone's ministry. Pray for their soul.
Our trust is in the Lord.
Voris went shark mode. Eyes rolled up in his head and everything is a target to be eviscerated.
Instead of betting Michael why not offer prayers for him.
Back biting isn’t Catholic.
Why did this stop in the middle before conversation was over?
It is a clip from a longer show
It is true that Voris was going off the rails. He became an attack dog without mercy, he became super political, and their methods were "unsound".
EXCELLENT CONVERSATION!!! Proof positive that AB is my favourite Catholic outfit!! You guys blast it out of the park again!! You have to put Kale’s message on coffee mugs & T-shirts; just get his permission first😛😛😁😁
CM turned me off with its visceral hatred for SSPX, which demonstrated the extent of its agenda, bias, and ignorance.
I used to love The Vortex. But then I noticed Voris stopped wearing a tie, and I knew something was wrong. “Put a tie on, Mike,” I told him…but he wouldn’t listen.
Yes, because God has a dress code, right?
@@willchristie2650 Exactly!
@@willchristie2650. No. It’s called respect.
With regards to Loftin, Tim Gordon is taking him to task, Tim is good at that sort of thing. Things like that require a person like Tim, therefore only he should do that.
Tim Gordon is so extreme he may fall off the edge of the earth some day. He regrets that women have the right to vote, much less work outside the home. The guy reeks malice.
@@willchristie2650so did Chesterton... your point is?
"there go i but for the Grace of God.....", esp whether CM or any public controversy , and seems that this "audience capture " (?), is mostly (sinful) pride and lack of humility , a form of desire for selfish esteem, etc. and thus any public "apostolate " (ministry) is prone to vice of pride.
I am what you would call a baby boomer, and after being a died in the wool democrat most of my life and working on campaigns for democrats I saw them for what they are. Number one the people I worked with were controlling and very much elitists. I was thrilled when Bill Clinton became President but I changed my mind about him after the Monica Lewinski scandal and changed my mind about the democrats I knew personally who defended him. That's when I started to hang out with more conservative people and they were friendlier and more down to earth than any democrats I knew and the republicans I knew were not rich. Yes I now consider myself a conservative which means I want to allow my country to thrive and not be destroyed, is that a bad or selfish stance to take? I didn't always agree with what was presented on Church Militant but I got a lot out of it. In addition I think any platform that shows the radical left for what they are is a force for good.
This point about Archbishop Lefebvre has come up, seemingly make the hierarchy seem more "reasonable" and +Lefebvre unreasonable relative to the Bishop Strickland situation. Brian Holdsworth used his example (bringing up him after Luther... cringe...). The difference is vast. Lefebvre was there at the council when the modernists basically took over. He knew they wanted their revolution. They were going to get it. Getting the approbation of +Lefebvre was just a post-council clean up job. The "extending of an Olive Branch" in my view was really more of a ritual to cast the Vatican in a better light. There are some other things I could relate, but I think it suffices to say it's wrong to make an example of the +Lefebvre case (basically throw him under the bus) so the treatment of +Strickland can seem far less reasonable in comparison.
I was born in 1964, the last year of the baby boom generation.
I grew up in Boston in a blue collar neighborhood that was mostly Democrat but most of my family and friends that I know now are Republican and I attend a Latin Mass that I accidentally discovered in March of 2020; one week before they shut the churches down.
I am a Traditional Catholic and it is very painful for me to sit in a Novus Ordo Mass these days.
I used to listen to church militant but I didn't like their attitude toward pointing out all the problems in the Catholic Church. I definitely felt that they needed to be pointed out; it just seemed that they were doing it too high on top of their soap box.
For whatever reason I don't mind Dr Taylor Marshall's approach, as well as others to pointing the same problems out.
Michael Voris did good work, I don't know the man, but what he produced was solid.
Best take I've seen on this so far.
Thank you very much!
Church militant made me leave the church. I asked them to also employ black people in the organisation and they said diversity is not what they stand for. They forget that most of those who are African in origin also want to feel belonging to the church. That is the church ordained black bishops. He also insulted SSPx and that was the end for me.
WHY?
If good people apply for the job, hire therm, regardless of their color.
Why do they have to be black? I am so done with this foolishness.
Things can be deliberate bro@@R.C.425
I'm a muslim now Inshallah.@@villefere6968
In regards to the bishops of Germany, the pope has told Catholics in Germany that they do not have to follow their bishops because they are disobeying the church. You guys did not do the research. You are asking why the pope does not respond, he does, you don’t do the research.
When the Church decides to covert the Jew again she will have returned to Her true faith and mission.
Spot on observation AJMcDonaldJr.
Perhaps Voris will lead gay Christians back to the Church. His new mission?
That was his mission originally, I think.
First he has to repent and amend his own lifestyle.
Repent? He will only be at peace if he accepts his homosexual nature.
I think most of us Catholics want to be something we are not. Most of us would like to be a holy saint. Sometimes, we can become a little inflated in our egos, and maybe a little proud and maybe we can start judging others and feel we are better. I have done this but everytime I do, I always come crashing down. I'll judge someone's sin and then I'll do something worse. It's humiliating being a sinner but there's nothing worse than pride. Also, Jesus warned us through St. Catherine of Siena, not to publicly mock His chosen ministers. When we attack God's priests and bishops, we leave ourselves open to demonic attack. Filial correction done in charity is acceptable but Voris went too far. I recall thinking to myself that if I wanted to wreck the Church, I would do exactly what Voris does. I unsubscribed from Church Militant about 3 years ago. It's spiritually dangerous to go after the clergy. We should pray and fast for them instead of ridiculing them publicly.
It bears repetition to read: A Godly Instruction [on How to Treat Those Who Wrong Us], c. 1534,
Written by Sir Thomas More, Knight, While He Was a Prisoner in the Tower of London in 1534
Bear no malice or evil will to any man living. For either the man is good or wicked. If he is good and I hate him, then I am wicked. If he is wicked, either he will amend and die good and go to God, or live wickedly and die wickedly and go to the devil. And then let me remember that if he be saved, he will not fail (if I am saved too, as I trust to be) to love me very heartily, and I shall then in like manner love him. And why should I now, then, hate one for this while who shall hereafter love me forevermore, and why should I be now, then, an enemy to him with whom I shall in time be coupled in eternal friendship? And on the other side, if he will continue to be wicked and be damned, then is there such outrageous eternal sorrow before him that I may well think myself a deadly cruel wretch if I would not now rather pity his pain than malign his person. If one would say that we may with good conscience wish an evil man harm lest he should do harm to other folk who are innocent and good, I will not now dispute upon that point, for that root has more branches to be well weighed and considered than I can now conveniently write (having no other pen than a coal). But truly will I give counsel to every good friend of mine that unless he be put in such a position as to punish a man in his charge by reason of his office, he should leave the desire of punishing to God and to such other folk who are so grounded in charity and so fast cleaved to God that no secretly malicious or cruel affection can creep in and undermine them under the cloak of a just and a virtuous zeal. But let us that are no better than men of a mean sort ever pray for such merciful amendment in other folk as our own conscience shows us that we have need of in ourselves.
15 min in and already 3 ads breaks?
Yeah I've noticed UA-cam has gotten a bit ridiculous with how many ads they're throwing in lately, but thankfully I didn't have that problem with this video - only had ads at the very beginning.
As Catholic Christians we should avoid spreading more of what people think they know, but don't 100%. Remember the 10 Commandments about bearing False Witness against your neighbor, being unforgiving, and being agents of chaos. We know who is operating when we are doing that. It is a Mortal Sin. So lets just say doing this type of thing such as these videos, the demons and evil is driving the bus. When a person fails which is our Nature, Fallen. Without Jesus Christ it doesn't matter how many followers you have, or money, or influence. I was reminded again today myself. Through Grace from our Lord Jesus Christ are we saved. Be wary though, as the bible says Satan roams this earth as a Hungry lion looking to devour us. May Jesus Christ Bless and save you from your sins, never mind Michael Voris. Instead of looking for the speck in your brothers eye, While you have beams in your own. Pray for Michael Voris instead of gossip and slander with your time. Once again, God bless you and lead you and your channel(s) in the way he would have it, not the Flesh. Theotokos protect and guide this channel through your Son Our Lord Jesus Christ. ✝✝✝, Amen.
Confusion is not of the Lord, but the king of ALL Lies.
What's going on is Jesus is coming.. we are in a battle we cannot see except for the aftermath of it. We can feel it and are perplexed at what we see.. but there's something missing in ,how we got here. The twilight zone, x-files.. nothing feels right anymore.
So is this part of a larger video? It just cut off with Kale saying, ..."I don't know where you guys are on this..." and then nothing! 😮???????
Yes our latest live show from last night
@@avoidingbabylond'OH! Thanks!
Please announce your phone number to leave messages on every show. If you did, I missed it
Seems that everything has gone politicalized .. Michael is stuck in the political vortex. He did the right thing.
Just remember that those who fought tooth and nail in order to keep the Traditional Latin Mass alive after V2 were boomers.
The confusion about the Pope? Have you studied the Apocalypse? Especially chapter 17. I believe we are living in the end times and it’s hard for me to not consider that this may very well be the last Pope of that chapter, and of the age. It is very alarming.
Another warning sign about church militant was their top anchor woman saying" judeo christian values"every 5 minutes. The book. Michael voris and the homosexual vortex by E. Michael Jones should be really timely now.
John 3:3 Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again.
I attend an SSPX chapel in Texa so I’m bias to the SSPX but we need people like Voris to call these bad priests and bishops even in the SSPX. I did stop listening to him as he kept calling the SSPX schismatic but other than that I liked him. Although sometimes I felt that he spoke with tough love or maybe uncharitable? I’m still in the ropes on his matter of speaking.
He called the entire group of SSPX priests "pedophile Nazis.' That was 'tough love'? So you liked him?... yikes
Which of the SSPX bishops are 'bad?'
My family and I attend sspx. I couldn’t listen anymore when he kept speaking negatively of Marcel Lefebvre.
@@muztan3100 when did he say that? Before I stopped listening to him or after? I already explained why I stopped listening because of his attacks on the SSPX. I never heard him say that but if he did he is wrong.
@@muztan3100 I meant in general in the Catholic Church.
Orthodoxy and monastic spirituality. Talk won't scare the demons from our heart... Neither does the papacy!
Hi guys, nice discussion, feels like a cosy catholic pub, feels @home - as a European, i'd say that where things go often wrong in the US, it's the binary mindset: the good guys and the bad guys, in Church like in politics - which is sign of lack of wisdom - Michael Voris had competence & merit, but also clear limits ...
Just a comment about that comment on Archbishop Lefebvre being given a chance vs Strickland who wasn’t-it seems Archbishop Lefebvre was given a chance but one has to read the context. He was also suspended unilaterally by Paul VI, in spite the glowing report by the apostolic visit. It was years before Paul VI agreed to meeting him. His dubia was never answered. Strickland’s fight is barely 2 years old and hasn’t played out. So it’s not an apples to apples comparison in this sense. As to the “excommunication” by JPII-if you read the details of what went on there, it was all smoke and mirrors, the Vatican making it appear like the Archbishop was being heard. The evidence really looks like the Vatican was really afraid of Tradition growing-not that Archbishop Lefebvre was going to become a schismatic. In fact, they would’ve preferred he became schismatic.
I stopped watching Church Militant when I heard Michael Vo say that the "entire episcopacy is rotten as hell." If that's true, then I would say that the the doctrine of indefectibility has been violated/falsified and Catholicism is not true.
If you can read, please read amoris laetitia. Pope explains in the first chaptet about ideolgies that is distroing the families, but i can understain that is not your job I guess is to confuse people instead
I guess if one cannot get to a TLM they should leave the Catholic church, right? How nice that you still talk to those who aren’t trads!
Militant has been staling down abruptly for the last few years. It was clear Voris was being censured. The hope has been he takes his talents elsewhere and leave the kids behind.
You mean his malice and lies, right?
What malice? What lies? Haven't watched him lately, but his going after guilty clergy & hierarchy, especially those covering up sexual abuse, as well as those who were backsliding on the abortion issue, was right on target, & was meant as much for the salvation of their souls, as for the salvation of ours. I don't condemn homosexuality per se, but God has explicitly condemned homosexual acts. I've often wondered whether Michael Voris was a victim of clerical sexual abuse as a child or adolescent. That would certainly explain much. @@willchristie2650
Michael Voris is a big queen and if you did not notice that you must be Helen Keller.I was hoping someone was gonna catch him in a gar bar.
I have been thinking about a topic for a while... Does Micheal Voris have a toupee / hair piece or not?
@@runeskyttsing9089 Does the sun rise in the morning.lol
@@runeskyttsing9089No, he had surgical hair plug procedure done when he was younger.
What is the avoiding babylon telegram?
Spot on Kennedy!!!
Prayer Penance Adoration. The three Pillars of the Francis Papacy
I subscribed to CM for a while but l could no longer take their self-righteous, arrogant and judgmental tone. It also appears that they didn't always properly and scrupulously check their news sources. It is all very sad. All concerned are in my prayers. 🇮🇪🇪🇺
TO: AVOIDING BABYLON
You and I exchanged replies underneath a comment posted by @catholicskeptic in your video titled “Michael Lofton attacks Brian Holdsworth”. Now with the latest news coming about Church Militant, I wanted to make you aware of a You Tube channel that popped-up on my feed this morning. I watched it and I really identified with what Roxie Beckles said, just as I indicated in our previous exchange. Please listen to her.
Channel: The Black Catholic.
Video Posted: November 27, 2023.
Title: “Catholic UA-cam Is A Toxic Cesspool & I’m Sick Of It”.
Thank you. ✝️
I just watched her video. I completely get the sentiment. It does get tiresome. Generally we try not to get involved in the drama sadly, that is what most people click on.
@@avoidingbabylon Thanks for your reply.
Love CM and Voris❤
I decided to no longer listen to CM because unless you agreed that the Gospel according to St. Voris you were not truly Catholic. From this I leaned not to trust laymen blogs/vlogs as they do not have the grace and authority of true priests and bishops by their valid consecrations.
This episode is so important. These guys are going to be under attack by satan by showing his chess game.
The tribalism is due in large part to papal leadership, as well as labels and their connotations, couple that with all kinds of sin in the laity which seems to get missed in mentions. The tribalism is mostly the pope's fault in that his scandal radar detection is set to off. He's not the kind of guy to listen to Paul about, say, eating mostly with the left, nor does he care if one perceives his food at some restaurant was offered to this or that odd god. He, in my estimation is, a liberal Jesuit of very questionable leadership capabilities.
He could, if he wanted, completely present coherent plans and ideas while reiterating the teachings will remain unchanged and that ANY pastoral changes, however seen, will not impact the teachings of the faith. It is his complete failure to be fully intellectually complete in his presentations, which would earn him failing grades in college papers, coupled with his ability to essentially, ecclesiastically speaking, while in the presence of the mystical body, fart in public, fart at dinner, burp and sneeze on the cafeteria food, criticize the waiters at table, and dismiss entire countries out of hand, that is disquieting to any actual thinking Catholic. Save, Jesuits, who long ago, in many cases, "evolved" into some odd fringe thinkers and rely on what WAS Jesuit for all their gravitas. Couple with that his all religions willed by God things, and, might I say, his rather Machiavellian style of synodal paths wherein stacked decks and, seeming to many, manipulated outcomes, gives rise to some odors of a vague unidentifiable nature.
There have been voices indicating the conclave was rigged. Subverted maybe, but not rigged. There is never any guarantee that the correct pope will be elected, indeed that position has been abused in the past. The difference here is that past bad popes spent their time doing bad personal things and not meddling much in important issues since those guys were generally lustful and working on that. Francis is not that kind of bad pope, he is an ideological bad pope. That makes him a "new creature" but not in a good way.
Francis, like us all, is damaged goods. As he sees the end of days coming, he is more obvious, it IS about a paradigm shift. That has always been his goal. This, itself, is not necessarily a bad thing. Nor, is it necessarily a good thing. It is likely his toadies in the next conclave will carry forward the "vision".
I know the Catholic faith. I will stay with it. Jesus never leaves the boat. He, however, does not guarantee the quality of the ride.
If people want to understand who Bergoglio is and what he professes they must learn about Gnosticism. Gnosticism is the basis of communism, progressivism, modernism, feminism, homosexualism, the engine of all the worst and bloodiest wars and revolutions and the creed of all esoteric secret societies. Gnostics feel that they are chosen spirits who can act differently from normal people and feel called to manage the masses of profane ignorant men
Jesus Christ is the way the truth and the "Life" not light....
I don't understand how this is difficult. Voris was engaged in McCarrick style sin before coming to the Church. How do you go from that to a highly visible self described "apostolate". Voris isn't eligible for the priesthood because of his past and should take a quiet position. Monasteries were built for people like Voris. Instead we have to watch his vitriolic S&M style of Catholicism burn to the ground.
I’m a trad thanks to Francis. Deo gratias!
An SSPX trad at that!
Growing a UA-cam channel is a tough slog, isn't it, especially when you discuss religion. I'm betting that success requires more faith than believing in God does. Yep, the Voris affair will give anti-Christian standup comics fodder for years to come.
Do these guys listen to themselves objectively? I'm onlonly a few minutes in and they're contradicting themselves and showing huge hypocrisy.
How
I get MV, however his attacks for myself, become sinful.
I started watching him for awhile but he was always so negative, vindictive & seemingly hateful, that I couldn’t see any part of Christ in the channel. Where was the charity? The fervent call to pray for the bishops & priests & homos? We must pray for Michael. He really, really needs it. And his “cohort in crime”, too… she was not a happy person.