+Barron's devastating exposé of the Synod - The Tragedy of MIchael Voris: Catholic Unscripted 40
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- Join Gavin, Katherine and Mark as they discuss the departure of Michael Voris from Church Militant and Bishop Barrons excellent letter reflecting on the Synod.
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This Anglican Priest (ACNA/GAFCON) was so encouraged by your conversation today my dear RC friends! Keep the Faith!!!
Thank you Mark, that’s very encouraging 🙏
Please read my comment. God bless.
Thank you and God bless you for your kindness.
None of us are above this fray and all of us are capable sin or backsliding. We are all at war with this common enemy, let us be ever common allies against it--not one another!
The Church is not immune to divide and conquer 5th gen warfare.
Great in-depth analysis and reflection on Michael Voris' removal from Church Militant. I feel the same way that the man is a straight shooter speaking from the heart that often offends the Left, including some high-ranking members of our Church. He rocked the boat where many Catholics, including bishops, would be too timid or tolerant to tackle the woke culture, which is causing a moral crisis in America. Totally agree with the CM's mission of saving souls, not political correctness. Pray for CM to continue its apostolate of saving souls.
I find just committing yourself to doing the Divine Office regularly, no matter how one feels is the key. . . just do it, regardless of how you feel. The Jesus Prayer throughout the day whatever you may be doing is also a wonderful way to keep in prayer. . .to do it thoughtfully, slowly and deliberately as much as possible too.
I am Greek Orthodox and I find the eastern Christian Lenten prayer of St Ephraim the Syrian , ,"Grant me a spirit of humility , etc , is so helpful.
I think Dr Ashenden touched on a subject that is vital for anyone who is occupied with too many things. Formal, timetabled, occasions for prayer can seem overwhelming at times. Writers recommend as well the use of what used to be called 'ejaculations' or 'aspirations' and have perhaps more recently been referred to as 'arrows'. For example, a single one of the Divine Praises can be formed mentally or expressly. There are plenty of other examples. Every spare moment is capable of being filled with one or more of them. Ideally, their influence can then spread though all other activities and concerns.
I think Chesterton said something like "anything worth doing is worth doing poorly."
that's the narrow path
As a Protestant...I don't pray rosary but I appreciate the thoughts on prayer and the practical ways to combat the enemy.
There's no rule saying protestants aren't allowed to pray the rosary!
As Christians, we are surrounded by the great crowd of witnesses. Why not ask them for their prayers just as we would from our fellow exiles?
@@marvalice3455 Most Protestants don't believe in praying the rosary and praying to saints or intercession of saints. I am one of those.
@marvalice3455 not a rule per say...more about obeying conscience and God's Word.
I WAS A PROTESTANT AND SADLY I DID NOT PRAY THE ROSARY WHEN I CAME HOME MARY WAS ABLE TO TEACH ME TO THE FULLNESS OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH ⛪ MARY AWAITS YOU ADAM COME HOME I WILL PRAY FOR YOU
@daviddragona1853 the caps don't make the remark any more convincing...my citizenship and home is in heaven not Rome.
Knew Bishop Barron At seminary, everyone loved him. He’s a good man.
Not true
@@severian1968 in general that was the perception. I cant remember a single person saying anything negative about him other than maybe challenging a perception he had about this or that.
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Not true is not an intelligent response. If anybody is doing more to promote the faith on line, let me know who? God bless Bishop Baron
@@patricknovak3408they're not the same statements.
Bishop of Southwark, John Wilson's letter is wonderful and so worth reading!
43:09 He caught my attention when he came out of the hotel and spoke with people waiting in line to attend Church Militant rally in Baltimore. Not as glib as Barron but bolder because of his devotion. Barron conveys the beauty and reason of the faith and Strickland conveys the mystical and relationship we have with the Almighty. Strickland no longer Ordinary of Tyler but through media an apostle to the world.
Read the saints especially Matt Talbot who had terrible blight of alcoholism. He asked Gods forgiveness again and again and God was merciful and favoured him. But he did not find forgiveness among family friends... even in the state of grace. If we pray for Michael Voris. I think if the church needs some more knowledge of, it is the addictive nature of flesh attachment. If we understand this no bishop would welcome for a moment James Martins. But we would love love love our neighbours- alcoholics, homosexuals
Matt Talbot was in the Pioneer Total Abstinence Association of the Sacred Heart ,it has a lovely prayer .... For Thy greater glory and consolation most Sacred Heart of Jesus. for Thy sake to give good example to practice self-denial, to make reparation to Thee for the sins of intemperance , and for the conversion of excessive drinkers I will abstain for life (or a period of time like month of November )from all intoxication drinks and addictive substances. May God be my help and inspiration to do this . Amen
As a physicist, I'll state what ought to be obvious. Science says nothing at all about value judgments.
America is in a moral crisis. We need a courageous leader of Bishop Strickland to defend the sanctity of life and sacredness of marriage during our time as Saint Bishop John Fisher did during the time of great persecution under King Henry VIII. I am heartbroken to see his removal, knowing he is close to the Sacred Heart of Jesus, like the Apostle John, who stood firm by Jesus on the road to Calvary.
Your discussions bespeak a genuine attempt at integrity in tackling difficult and essential issues. Well worth viewing.
Very helpful comments on doing even a little thing to reorient when our bigger plans fail.
Bishop Fulton Sheen explains the Holy Spirit and the Blessed Eucharist and confession on one of his videos
Varadkar is an immigrant and thus pro immigration. These politicians always seek to be shown in a good light, so humane and righteous yet history shows us that the number of bent crooks and vagabonds amongst them is quite high. Immigrants mean cheap and plentyful labour and capitalists just love that. In comparison, the welfare and living conditions of the indigenous population is well down their list of priorities. The UK is not a true democracy when the political parties produce manifestoes at election time but can vary them to suit themselves when elected. We also have a head of State who is fabulously rich, lives in not one palace, but numerous palaces. Enjoys unique Tax advantages over his so called subjects. Its a complete disgrace and is kept in place by corupt and craven politicians.
"constitutional monarchy" seems to be the worst of both worlds.
Immigrant is just euphemism for invader
Michael Voris swam in venom filled vomit, I can't believe he stayed afloat
so long without going under much earlier.
I hope he recovers and comes back in renewed strenght.
According to Christine Niles, he quit leading prayers a couple years ago. That would be about the time Milo came in. He titled his interview with him "Milo does Church Militant." That's a rip from a porn movie. Why would he do that? Oh I know why --
@@fredharvey2720 When this milo stuff came about, this is when I stopped watching CM not just CM
but any body who even promoted
this human garbage. This milo character is known for extortion,
so any dealings with this most disgusting of all people among
us was going to end up badly.
I do agree with your comment,
But Voris can't stay on the bench,
He needs to recover and come
back to the war. He's not allowed
to give.
I had what I call a mini melt down last week. Feeling somewhat discouraged already, I read The St Gallen Mafia and Murder in the 33rd Degree back to back lol. I then decided that there were one too many ultra scrupulous parishoners that I did not want to lay eyes on yet again at weekday mass and so I didn't go..... all week. Of course I had to just get over myself and hit the confessional and that helped. It's really silly some of the things that get under our skin.
So why on earth do you watch and support this fundamentalist sect who are so uncharitable to the holy father ?
I know what you mean. But thelitany of humility helps me and I ask God to help me love these people as he does. And instead of being judge I ask Him to help me pray for them.
What bothers me is the level of unforgiveness for Mr Vorhis in the Catholic community.
We need a holy man to succeed Francis rather sooner than later. Pray for the "Pope", for the papacy and for our entire Church.
Where sin abounds - GRACE abounds even more. Always pray the Rosary the spiritual sword against the wicked serpent. End the Rosary by praying, “Saint Michael the archangel, defend us in battle be our protection against the wickedness and snares of the devil. May God rebuke him we humbly pray, and do though oh prince of the heavenly host, cast out satan and all the evil spirits who prowl about the world seeking the ruin of souls, AMEN.”
*and do thou, O Prince of the Heavenly hosts...
I think Bishop Barron could have been more direct/pointed in his synod letter. Also he has be silent on Strickland
I used to scip Sunday Mass until I learned it is a mortal sin to do so. Now I get to mass wether I feel like it or not.
Archbishop Fisher of Sydney is well worth listening too who was at the Synod.
I find it odd that Ashenden could live most of their adult lives out of communion with the bishop of Rome, accepting promotions and preferments in a communion with a very different ecclesiology, then swim the Tiber and declare themselves more Catholic than the pope
You can take the man out of the Protestant Church, but you cannot take the protestations out of the man?
Great to learn of Bishop Barron's wonderful response to the synod.
When I became a Catholic twenty years ago, I was a very big fan of Robert Barron. Over the years I have become increasingly disenchanted with him. The culmination came with his interview by Ben Shapiro where he stated you didn't need Christianity to go to heaven. His relationship with Joey Gloor didn't help things either. Be careful who you praise.
I don’t understand how senior clergy in the Church can’t tell the truth or still want to hide from Questions .I go on utube to tell the Hierarchy they being laughed at and I have every right as a Catholic to defend my Catholic Faith .In Australia if you tell lies and avoid saying yes or no we call it bullshit .If you ask a simple Question you never get a reply and if you do it sounds just like a politican.Bullshit is Is slang and it’s called bad language but it’s not taking the Lords name in vain .I did not enjoy being called a troll when you can’t tell the truth and be open .With the exception of Bishop Strickland and other good Clergy including Father Altman and cancelled priests do you really think Jesus Christ would treat Catholic Clergy like this and remain silent .I won’t name them but they could take the forest out of their eyes not a log .They are shifty dishonest and should hold there head In shame .The Clergy who want to destroy and change the Blessed Eucharist should do what Judas did .I suppose you would be worried about climate change if you were going to hell .
Isn't that Catholic teaching now?
I just happened upon this podcast. I'm very impressed and have just subscribed. Well done.
The real test of our age: Do we have Charity?
UBI CARITAS ET AMOR DEUS IBI EST. Please no more negative comments about Church, Pope and Magisterium.
St.John of the Cross OCD says “at the end of life we will be judged on LOVE.”
At last someone talking sense . This trio of fundamentalist intellectuals are way out of order .
Praise God for Bishop Barron's bravery ... I'm very very grateful but wouldn't want hmi to be a Pope .... We need a swiftly decisive and strong leader
I have just discovered you three for the first time, and I will explore you all more thank you for what you do, all of you were a breath of fresh air , and I was so excited to find you and you radiate sincere loving catholic energy, HOWEVER, regarding Bishop Strickland, I love Bishop Strickland's gospel message, but as a therapist once told me that resonates and I use in my outreach ministry, " I love you enough to tell you the truth" And Strickland needs to hear the truth, and the Gavin also perfectly said it at the beginning of this podcast, "we need soul friends, to say "wait a minute mate, check yourself" Gavin touched base on it at the very beginning again , with his reference to the Screwtape Letters , "Shall we make him a pacifist or a patriot, it does not matter as long as we make him extreme", Bishop Strickland is a good priest, BUT like many of these good Catholics with good intentions is falling into the "Us and Them" mentality, and dividing the church within,
Strickland went to another bishop's territory uninvited after that bishop said, " I don't think it's a good idea", he has publicly made Ad hominem attacks against the pope.
This radical TLM movement, began beautiful, but is now gone "Screwtape" extreme, we can of course disagree with Pop Francis, we can ever question his actions, but we cannot today in an era of history, where anyone has the instant potential to reach millions and can reach millions of people, call the pope the "antichrist", regardless of how devoted a follower of Christ and good priest you are, and regardless of your past accomplishments and virtues, we fall into "Thinking like a Protestant" when we feel self-righteous enough to rest solely on the gospel, and not the Divine institution and tradition that Christ himself put in place, and you cannot contribute to anything that attempts to divide Our house, Gods House against itself. And again, you guys are awesome!! the three of you said it earlier again !! by referring to the popes' cries of "Everyone, Everyone, Everyone" Francis, love him or not, his message is clear, Everyone and Ecumenicalism, unite, unite, unite, it's the only way we can continue our 2000 year war. And just food for thought, how many of us could show up to work, every day and call our boss an as*hole, and expect to keep our job? Because in our worldview , the Cathodic Christian world view, being labeled the Antichrist is as powerful to true believers as the "N" word is to people of color. Its a powerful word, that cuts like a knife to the soul of a person. You guys seem amazing, and I pray for you all, God bless the work you do, and I pray that you may revisit your opinions on Strickland, and note the passive aggressive nature in which he reads a letter from an "anonymous" parishioner, and ask yourself "why" why read it? Again Strickland has a great heart, a great heart, being attacked by dark forces to manipulate his love for Christ into something different, a tool to divide.
Can someone at least give a clue as to what Michael Voris has done that we anre all lamenting?
Mr. Voris does what he wants to do. For a time he wanted to be the best Catholic reporter. Then he wanted a relationship with Mr. Y and he used his position at CM to attain it. He definitely needs prayers and further conversion as do we all.
I recall being worried when Mr. Yianopoulos became involved. I think that it was a sincere quest for an amendment of life on his part (which I hope was successful), and a sincere wish on Mr. Voris’s part to help him. Although Mr. Y is not being mentioned much, and may not in any way be part of the equation, I remember thinking “Careful, this might not end well.” I regard Michael Voris as a hero, and am very sorry that this turmoil has engulfed him and Church Militant. May this be the beginning of healing for all concerned.
This is very detracting and reductive of Mr. V or Mr. Y’s sinful struggles past, present, or future.
First time I tuned in. Thanks for your thoughts on Michael. So many want his demise.🥲
Gavin and Katherine, brilliant! What a coup! How did you get James Burke of James Burke's Connections on the show!?! Took me right back to my early eighties and my first principles!
GA: “Science tells us how, but it can’t tell us why.”
Even science is influenced by the worldviews of its practitioners, and that will affect its explanations of how things are in God’s world. Ever since Thomas Kuhn, we’ve known that the scientific enterprise is subject to different paradigms that come and go. What is regarded as settled science today may not survive a future paradigm shift. All the more reason for scientists to remain humble in fulfilling their calling.
Sir Francis Bacon would be confounded by what passes for "scientific method" these days.
Excellent episode.
Charisma isn't character.
In the church today we have the situation that the authority of the Pope (Francis) is being pitted against the authority of previous Popes and the tradition of the church going back over about 2000 years. That is a curious situation to say the least.
Trouble with synods- corruption of bishops- I thought this was all about my Anglican denomination for a moment. Being halfway though my ninth decade it's good to know that the bulk of the fight is behind me!
Very interesting show, thank you .
Rumor has it someone committed some sins. How shocking.
It is difficult not to see the church echoing the same inconsistencies that are further dividing people from their trust in institutions, not to mention witnessing that procedures and practices meant to be in place, to promote and protect the notion that "acting in good faith"had something to do with respect for the solid moral principles founded in the teachings and practices provided by the "faith."
To Progressivists' "acting in good faith"(on both sides of a question, or at least most folks tend to believe there are at least two sides to a question), seems to mean protecting the interests of groups that want to have it both ways when its a two way street, and this desire seems to make them feel they have a duty and obligation to prove otherwise, or at least that there is only one side to a question and it represents their side, and hopefully the Synods, too.
I think I last heard the Pope advocating to change the path from Synodality to the path to Paradigm Shift.
Is this the inevitable outcome of shady sophistry, i.e., post enlightenment post modernism? 37:27 37:27 37:27
On point Dr Ashenden
I think what Gavin was meaning by "spell" was an invocation.
You guys are a beacon of the Faith in a very uncertain, problematic and self-serving world, both inside the Church as well as outside.
It really does help the faithful, who are required above all things to persevere in the faith, being able to hear the true faith being properly expounded and adhered to.
We need you, because in both the secular world as well as in the Church, the usurpers of truth are rife. Well done, and thank you.
to WesternMalaise, instead of the stand-alone term "Faith" or "faith", I keep or allow in uncertainty belief or what is in uncertainty (RSV Lk 1:34: "How ...? by Mary) "believed" (Lk 1:45 by Mary) as the keeping/allowing of the inseparability and qualitative equality of thinking (Mary "considered in her mind", Lk1:29) and having faith (Mary's 'fiat' at Lk 1:38: "let it be to me").
The significance of using the stand-alone term "faith" is that it avoids using the terms for union and procreation in marriage: "inseparable" (Pope St Paul V1's "Of Human Life", Humanae Vitae, 1968,12) and 'qualitatively equal', added de facto by Pope Francis on or just after 10 June 2021 in his own cases of simultaneously authorising in his consecrated celibate marriage identity-role his:
(a) role ensuring his procreation role gift charity donations alleged embezzled by ten of his Vatican state citizens/employees, including Cardinal Angelo Becciu,
(b) identity insuring his need of union of his identity as a consecrated celibate married by vows to man in Christ at unacceptable risk of fraud by the Italian Parliament "Zan" anti-homophobia bill.
This avoidance is to conceal or cover up occult as hidden, incest connected as substitute mate, grooming by diseased "familyist" family members in their disordered identities of their psychologically and or emotionally vulnerable family members in their procreation gift roles with a non-economic status of, or association with falsely purported "higher vocation" (Pope St John Paul 2's Council for the Family "Guidelines", TTMHS, PCF, 1995, 35; cf. St Paul at 1 Cor 7:25-34) of consecrated celibate marriage vowed to man in Christ to consecrated male female marriage vowed to God for economic advantage of the families of these groomers by tax-exemption embezzlements and lower insurance cost by fraud.
I think Gavin is exactly right about Michael Voris: It's not so much that Voris is wrong on facts or issues but that -- as someone put it -- he replaced "the Church of Nice" with "the Church of Nasty."
40:40 Strickland says he has done 9 TLM already. Video online.
The Holy Fathermight strip him of priestly faculties if he isn't careful.
I think you will find that it is not Archbishop Welby who sanctioned the "Rave in the Nave" at Canterbury Cathedral but rather the Dean and Chapter who have sole authority in the cathedral church, not the Archbishop.
Good , welby is a good priest
Who appoints those people (the dean and chapter)?
Why no mention of the 23 October letter from the Vatican Secretary of state to the German bishops?
Thanks to each of you for this discussion. The "new revelation" religion that is to come with the new structure of the Church seems to me a strange mix of immanentism (described by St. Pius X) and Pope Francis's autochthonous, Liberation Theology as described by Dr. Tracey Rowland in her book "Catholic Theology" (Ch. 5, 167-203). I recommend too, if one has not viewed, the excellent history and description of this "synod" process by Julio Loredo (TFP Student Action) which Dr. Ashenden addressed a week or so ago.
Living as a catholic in a protestant environment, I have family members and friends who think praying is a kind of superstition. God does not want this. He knows, what to do, without our asking for it or advice.
if we are under grace we are not under sin. Under law we are - under grace we are not.
For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. - ROMANS 6:14
Prayer. Yes. That IS the answer. The ONLY answer. Which begs a question: How do we pray all the time? That would be the ONLY ground of absolute stability, even when suffering 24/7 from a deep darkness throughout one’s adult life, what most would crumble into a severely disabling depression from. But a woman did suffer that deep darkness 24/7 who prayed all the time in HOW SHE LIVED HER LIFE, not found solely in uttering words of prayer (what St. Teresa of Lisieux first instructed us on-The Little Way, Prayer in Motion, Living the Prayer): St. Mother Teresa of Calcutta. And then there is the film by Liliana Cavani, Francesco, where she refused to polish St. Francis into an acceptable presence for our pious eyes, but instead reveals step by step how a human being enters into praying all the time, Living a Prayer, a piecemeal process that one should never bother oneself with how long it will take before one arrives where Teresa and Francis arrived at. The only focus required is in doing the Father’s will in every moment in opposition to our own pious, willful ways that help us best in regarding ourselves with high self-esteem, Satan’s Way, where our Lord and our Father’s will both disappear.
And Pope Francis understands this better than any Pope during my 76 years, how necessary it is to restore Jesus’ version of what the Church’s Christian Brotherhood actually is, how Jesus intended it, and what was dismantled many hundreds of years ago by the clerical class in its decision to sever the entire Laity from the Church’s discernment process, which called for Laity to be severed from the Christian Brotherhood itself, made evident in saintly Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger’s concise 1961, 92 page book, The Meaning of Christian Brotherhood, where he makes clear the entire clerical class CHOSE to severe itself from the Laity by declaring the Church’s Eucharistic Christian Brotherhood null and void for Laity, that the Brotherhood would from now on consist only of clerics, Laity denied any part in the Church’s discernment process, where the sinister clerical class as we know it today was first formed (its sinister essence made clear in how this Brotherhood protected its own, those priests in service to Baal, over the protection of the lives of the innocent ones and their parents and extended family members, an evil indifference having its origin in the clerical class declaring Laity invisible).
This radical exclusion of Laity from the Church’s Christian Brotherhood immediately killed off the Church’s Royal Priesthood, a priesthood focused on preparing every Christan to Go Out as Jesus insisted, a priesthood made up of the trinitarian preparatory process of Assembly Life, Mystagogy & Spiritual Direction, all cancelled with the death of the Royal Priesthood-for so long now, even clerics have no clue as to its history. But the sinister sickness of the “clerical camaraderie” that holds the clerical class togetjher like spiritual super-glue, sustaining their severedness from Laity, made evident in how EVERY cleric participated in protecting and advancing their brothers who were obviously committed to serving Baal. Yes, those men were more precious to every member of the clerical class than the little children sacrificed on Baal’s Altar.
THAT’S the sinister sickness of this clerical comarderie that fully suppressd the missions of Laity for hundreds of years, preventing them from arriving in sainthood by fulfilling the missions assigned to them. But our Pastors kept convvimciomg us Laity to bury our talents in our back yards and wait on our Lord’s return. THAT IS THE TRAGEDY caused by the Cancellation of Lay Missons, what only Pope Francis is addressing. We must be stalwart in not only praying words for our Holy Father, but also LIVING A PRAYER for him by olenly supporting his mission, the most vital mission today and for the rest of this millenium.
Pope Francis is a Catholic Prophetic Pope for this new millennium. Better start paying attention if you love the Church and her Mission. He is in his own way with his Synod on Synodality fighting a lonely battle to rid the Church of the infestation of a sinister clerical camaraderie that insists on keeping Laity locked out. Think about it: if Laity had been allowed to participate in the discernment process at every Parish regarding priests sexually molesting Laity’s children, no way would those Laity have approved the clerical desire to protect those men as a priority over protecting the innocent ones by transferring their brothers, doing whatever it took to protect them and their assigned missions from Baal.
We all know what "it" was that has brought Michael to his current impasse. He's been very public about it. He never dealt with it properly. I hope he learns now. There are plenty of good examples he can follow.
I watched this two days ago, a very good show, but why is it posted again.
Because Gavin has posted it on his own channel after it appeared on the Catholic Unscripted channel. All those interested to follow CU might want to subscribe to Catholic Unscripted and catch our programmes there 🙏
Ah, got it, thanks so much.✝🙏
What do you think of Michael loftons explanations on bishop Strickland and Pope Francis very good would love your opinion
What about Pope Jesusmary Misigbeto?
The Bible tells you HOW as well as WHY.
25:55 Dear Mark, your attempt to illustrate a juxtaposition between Bishop Barron and the Holy Father is puzzling to me. Bishop Barron is literally agreeing with Pope Francis here. Then, you and your comrades ridicule the Holy Father for saying “todos, todos, todos”.
74 God "desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth": that is, of Christ Jesus. Christ must be proclaimed to all nations and individuals, so that this revelation may reach to the ends of the earth.
I do appreciate your focus on these important matters. However, it seems like you, and your podcast partners, are always trying to promote or even fabricate some discord, particularly between the Holy Father and Bishops in communion with him. You really should stop doing that.
I’m not ignoring the clear criticism that Bishop Barron makes in his letter. Bishop Barron makes clear criticism. Archbishop Wilson did not.
Devastating exposé? Total clickbait.
Indeed …they just are so smug in their constant criticism of Pope Francis . It’s appalling.
Which Mass are you all speaking about?
Too too kind on Voris. His attacks on the SSPX (THE Catholic stalwarts) were as vile and bitchy and nasty as they were untruthful and lacking in charity. YES we must pray for Michael.
He attacked a lot of people - for homosexual acts, no less. Turns out he was projecting.
New subscriber. Thankyou
We pray the Church Militant employees will get jobs that support Truth, Justice and the U.S. economy. After the errant organization folds. And what is Voris' fanancial stake in this organization? (beyond the layers of LLCs that his lawyers set up 20 years ago)?
Church militant is a fundamentalist sect and needs shutting down . It’s leading people down the wrong path .
I pray for the opportunity to feel stupid for my fear for the faith under the next Papacy.
Listen to E Michael Jones - for truth about Michael Voris -
It's been a while since I saw you guys, and i feel happy to hear you all again and salute you as dear brothers and sister, so this must be a good channel for me, as everything you all share always profoundly resonates with me.
But there was Dr. Ashenden's take on Voris which i particularly coincide with. i think I sometimes wish he could say something i could not underwrite really, just to take stock of my feelings and having to overcome something, transcend myself, you know, but it never happens with him. You really know the worth of your friendly feelings when you have to fight yourself a bit to hang on to them, and accept, tolerate, review yourself and strife to really accept the other as other. Cognitive dissonance with Gavin would be a worthwhile and somewhat costly experience, BUT I am sure I would never feel an upsurge of venom.
Now, that said, I also always felt somehow awkward with the Voris-venom, felt something was rather wrong there, up to the point it induced me to no longer listen to Voris out of skepticism about the aura he gave to his very passion for justice.
But now, since months, something significant has happened to me, not a change on the Voris-venom dislike, no, but the discovery that i now feel the same venom towards the pope as Voris expressed! I can no longer bare with the pope-man and feel very venomous about his person. I know somehere inside me, I mean it must simply be so that the pope is very probably much less of a pervert than he has become in my poor blasted mind. But this is my only personal experience of venom feelings towards someone, and of all people the pope - the exception before being George Bush, Jr.
I don´t even feel guilt as I am quite sure I also would, -just like the many felony bishops of Germany did some years ago with that very best of men, Pope Benedict, on the tarmac of the airfield-, I would now likewise be a creep, and refuse, defiantly, to shake Bergoglio's outstreched hand. I do think I would. Unbelievable but true, that I can feel this about a pope!. Maybe the deception is too big to see such ideological wilfulness and duplicity in an old man, the-alway-listen-merrymaking going hand-in-hand with the brutal humiliation of Mgr. Strickland, and so many foul things of this nature for far too long all cloacked constantly in social justice evangelism, which is not much more really than politicking by other means. But the point really is i don´t know any longer what to do with the venom.!! Like Voris I no longer pray for the pope, and whoever suggests as much gets my inner rage kindled instantly.
Gavin is absolutely right: Voris would of necessity go wrong on this his vehemently prolonged venomous-justice trip.
Just like the pope really, who has vehemently gone awry on his prolonged high-ground not so cleverly hidden venom trip too. The pope, of all people, for God´s sake! Tell me I got it all wrong and I didn´t see or understand anything, would you?
Dear Gavin is again right though when he thinks a decisive fault-line lies in abandoning prayer and the priority of constant self conversion, always, at all costs. I try to let things go, by accepting now to say the Our Father at mass in the altered version the pope imposed, maybe the Lord will have mercy on my proper poor wilfulness by this slight bending of the knee....God bless.
28:22 Hope the letter will clear out the previous quasi universalist
language he used. Maybe he will get another crack at Ben etc. ?
Well, could you perhaps pray the Our Father and the Hail Mary in each one of these ?
C S Lewis knew enough to figure out that the Catholic Church was founded by Christ, with Its Seven Sacraments, but he NEVER converted.
Is Bishop Strickland the Watt Tyler of our day? ;-) Thanks for sharing your thoughts on prayer, insightful. The Holy Spirit wants to pray in us, if we let him. BBFP (you know who For Pope ;-)
Yes. Bring on Bishop Barron 💕💕
I ask Bishop Barron why did you omit and/or have by others omitted doing justice in your referring to been "mercy" in your introduction for your podcast today on the Feast of Christ the King: "We can cooperate with our King by being his ministers of mercy to the world.", when Christ keeps/allows their inseparability and qualitative equality as recorded at RSV John 8:11: "Neither do I condemn you [mercy]; go, and do not sin again [justice]."?
Is it because it is impossible for a non-consecrated either celibate married by vows to man in Christ or male female married by vows to God to in uncertainty of belief keep/allow the inseparability and qualitative equality of ensuring procreation role gifts and insuring identity in need of union?
Does this explain the tax-exemption embezzlements and lower insurance cost by fraud economic advantages for families of diseased "familyist" family members gained by their occult as hidden, incest connected as substitute mate, grooming of psychologically and or emotionally vulnerable family members in their supposed to be helper of their family roles with a non-economic status inducement of falsely purported "a higher way of love" (time 51:46 of your You Tube podcast interview by Lex Fridman on "Christianity and the Catholic Church" on 20 July 2022) that masquerades mercy by falsely purporting inversion of identity need of union and procreation role gift?
Are you unaware of:
1. the finding in an exercise of an absolute power of consecrated male female marriage in which my father, economist Colin Clark, had in uncertainty of his belief consented to be joined from early 1946 with my mother simultaneously authorised by him required applied (awarded a papal medal by Pope St Paul V1 for this requiring by him) in 1964 by the UNO Food and Agriculture Organisation and Vatican Council 2 Pope St Paul V1's "Commission on Population" of: "... just about paripassu rate of growth of population [male female marriage] and food supplies in the developing countries [eucharist]." ("Colin Clark Reminisces with Bruce McFarlane and Derek Healey", Adelaide University, Australia, 2 August 1979, p.29 of transcript of audiotape),
2. this requiring causing Pope St Paul V1 to teach in marriage "Two inseparable aspects: union and procreation" in his Encyclical Letter, "Of Human Life", Humanae Vitae (HV), 1968,12,
3.completion by Pope Francis on or just after 10 June 2021 as he had previously indicated was required of HV, 12 by adding 'qualitatively equal' with "inseparable" in his own cases in present moment real presence of his:
(a) ensuring his procreation role gift charity donations alleged embezzled by ten of his Vatican state citizens/employees, including Cardinal Angelo Becciu,
(b) insuring his need of union of his identity as a consecrated celibate married by vows to man in Christ on the reference point of Mary in uncertainty of her belief keeping the qualitative equality as well as inseparability of her consecrated celibate marriage vowed to man in Christ (RSV Lk 1:38: "let it be to me") and her consecrated male female marriage vowed to God (RSV Mt 1:24: "Joseph ... took his wife"?
@oliverclark5604 I am really struggling to understand your post. I wonder if you could disentangle some of the things you write about? 👍
@@cionntsaile1606 4Q's. Q.4 in 3 parts. The 3rd part divided in 2. What are your Qs?
All kinds of Catholics-Christians
including Taylor Marshall
Do have many advisors & counselors
However, JESUS is the head
and do test all things against the Word of GOD
You are still dissing Francis. Its a pity, because you all do great work. Why don't you look at the recent published letter that the pope sent to the 4 german theologians regarding his thoughts on the synod ?
Thank you for this Gerry. Perhaps we can discuss this upcoming 🙏
I learned just a few minutes ago that the Pope has been having lunch with trannies every Wednesday. Well, that would be wonderful if I could believe he was evangelizing them, but I can't.
He corrects laymen but not the bishops. More confusion.
bob, when the people that disagree with us want to paint us as bigots, they’ll look for your comments
@@russ254 I suggest you look up the Canadian comedian, JP Sears, and his series "awake with JP". At he end of the day, no matter how many transgender operations a persons goes through, their DNA is unchanged, and is still the same as they were born with. Science. Not bigotry.
If Barron is the answer, must have been a stupid question.
This 81+ Catholic Christian found CM nasty. There is no doubt bishops are sinful, just like the rest of us and it is also true that denunciation with anger and contempt is not charity.
Their sin, just like ours, are issues of supernatural nature and spiritual warfare is called for amongst the necessary intercessory prayer for our pastors.
Dr . I also became aware of venom from Mr Voris directed at persons in same sex attraction, relationships it was particularly painful when one of your children has unwanted SSA
Referring to a person as a sodomit I ..☹️ I pray for him it is obvious he is a hurting human being
If these clerics return next year I hope they do so in their clerics and speak up. Only Crd. Mueller did in 2023. 30:09
We are seeing new martyrs being made.
Who would that be
It looks like the woman, Katherine, is wearing a clerical collar. Is that next?
Get your vision checked, sir. She is certainly not wearing a clerical collar.
She certainly is not, and would be the first to tell you why not! 🙏
Definitely needs an eye exam
@bobtaylor170, I am viewing this on a cell phone. I was simply making an observation. I wanted it to be mildly humorous. Sorry if I stepped on your bigotry. Voris was a self-loather, and a hypocrite. Good riddance to religious hypocrites!! There are you offended at that!?!? Twit!
@@catholicunscripted As I explained to your ideological equal @bobtaylor170, I am viewing this on a cell phone. In that visual framework it DOES look as though the woman is wearing a clerical collar. I understand fully that it is merely an optical illusion. I am sorry if I offended your bigoted religious sensibilities by simply stating that it looks as though she is in a clerical collar. I am fully aware of your religious bigotry and narrow mindedness. Please dismiss my comment as a mere observation and not a prediction.
Christianity is supernatural. It is not man made.
Tell yourself that if it makes you feel better.
At least Michael resigned when he succumbed to his weakness. Those Bishops and clergy who can’t resist their own corrupt temptations should do the same! Thats all Michael ever fought for.
You have been misinformed. Bishop Strickland shouldn't be set as a model. He has failed in what's the most important virtue of a bishop (and of any Christian, for that matter): the virtue of obedience. Obedience is the touchstone love, for Jesus says: "if you love me, follow my commands." And, in the Church, this has always been understood to include the submission to the legitimate authorities, except in sinful behavior. It is a defined doctrine of the Catholic faith that the Pope has authority over all the bishops. Indeed, it is the only doctrine that differentiates us Catholics from all other Christians, including the Orthodox.
Bishop Strickland has publicly admitted that he disobeyed Pope Francis (see interview with Raymond Arroyo a couple of days ago), on the matter of _Traditionis custodes"_ . You may agree or disagree with the prudence or even the fairness of what that _motu proprio_ demands; but, to my knowledge, nobody argues that it commands something sinful. Bishop Strickland certainly didn't.
By his own admission, he has agreed with all the bishops of the Orthodox churches and set himself outside the Catholic communion. There's a disconnect, like a cognitive dissonance between what he says and way he does. He says that he recognizes the authority of the Pope, but he admits that he has positively disobeyed him. This is the same thing many modernist and "woke" clergy do, like Father Martin, who says he doesn't teach against the Catholic doctrine on sexual morality, but he denies it with the deceiving way he presents it.
I should add that it also seems you are further misinformed, proven by your failure to mention the egregious behavior of Bishop Strickland positively attacking and badmouthing the Pope, by:
1. Signing a letter that pretty much accuses him of heresy (which, if proven that it was meant as an accusation of heresy towards the Magisterium, it would be heretical in and of itself);
2. Accusing Pope Francis of concealing a "program" to undermine and change the deposit of the faith (the mere possibility of which constitutes a flagrant lack of faith in the explicit promises of Christ in what relates to the Petrine charisma of indefectibility);
3. Using odious expressions to refer to the Pope as a “diabolical disordered clown;”
4. Reading in public, implicitly approving and explicitly commending the letter of someone who calls Pope Francis a “usurper” and other disqualifying expressions to the effect of being the mouthpiece of Satan…
And I could go on. But who in their right mind would expect that, no matter how humble and meek the Pope could be, he would endure all that without a peep? Indeed, out of respect for the office he occupies, he is duty bound to remove those subordinates that show a lot more than mere insubordination. Could anyone honestly think nothing of the president of a company who remains totally passive in face of his subordinates’ rebellion? What if the subordinate, on top of disobeying, goes around publicly badmouthing him, and accusing him of mismanagement that threatens to bankrupt the company? I dare anyone to assure me that they know of one company president like this.
Please, inform yourselves properly before disseminating slander against the Pope of Rome, _il dolce Cristo in terra_ according to the great doctor of the Church Saint Catherine of Siena. Slander is a grave sin.
When I served in the military I was repeatedly reminded that an officer carries a (valid) commission from lawful authority (differs from country to country), but you are not obliged to obey an unlawful order even from the highest officer. In fact you are obliged to not obey an order of this kind.
In the church today we have the situation that the authority of the Pope (Francis) is being pitted against the authority of previous Popes and the tradition of the church going back over about 2000 years. That is a curious situation to say the least.
@@cionntsaile1606 But that's not possible! Jesus set his Church with catch 22 so unity would be preserved. If Francis' authority is pitted against the authority of previous popes and a 2000 year tradition, the claim of the Church to Jesus' promise of indefectibility would be undermined. Besides, short of a blatant reversal of the Magisterium, interpretation will always play a decisive role. You cannot say that Pope Francis' authority is pitted against that of tradition and previous press. You can only say that _your_ interpretation of the tradition and the Magisterium of previous popes is opposed to _your_ interpretation of Francis' magisterium. But somebody else's interpretation may provide a seamless continuity. And who decides whose interpretation is the right one? The reigning Pope! It's a catch 22, an impossible dilemma for anyone questioning the authority of the Pope. That's why the Vatican I council anathematized the idea that the Pope can teach heresy in his ordinary Magisterium. And that's, unfortunately, what many pseudo-traditionalists are doing: on top of the grave sin of slander they are adding the sin of propagation of a heretic idea. I'm sure that the immense majority of them do it out of misinformation or a poor education in ecclesiology and dogmatic theology. But people should not opine so assertive and publicly on issues that fall outside their competency.
Barron is to Tradition what James Corden is to comedy.
What we need to be able to have any hope at all of attaining Heaven is to be completely isolated from eachother, so that everyone's completely independent of everyone else; to the point that each individual is their own universe; as anything else, bar none, is really a cause of the deepest of sins and unrepentable of ever.
The problem that Gavin doesn't appreciate is that after Pope Robert Barron we'll have Pope Francis II who will make this pontiff look good. That's why Holy Orthodoxy is the answer.
You do realise that many in Orthodoxy are hopelessly divided and full of unholy pride in their traditions rather than in the confidence of the Gospel?
@@dannydoj We must pray for Our brothers and sisters! Catholic, Orthodox, All of our separated brethren.
Voris bashed Bishop Barron constantly. I thought Voris did a lot of great work...But his abilities as a theologian...welll...weak.
A while ago Bishop Barron made it clear that he viewed Church Militant, The Remnant, Taylor Marshall, and others as "extremists." He refused to respond to them or engage with them.
Oh Gavin! poor befuddled John-Paul II was NO 'intellectual'.
Better mind than yours my deluded friend
have you read him marc?
Sorry you ended a positive podcast on a negative on the Pope.🙏🙏
Not so much negative as truthful
The whole tone is whining about the Pope and the progress of our Church !
Is this the same Barron who appears to enjoy being photographed with young, muscular men?
Well now Michael bore-us or is it Voris, can console himself watching by "daffydd, the only gay in the county", or is it country? And he can watch reruns, while he asks everyone to pray for him, because the treadmill to damnation is much more exciting than praying.lol.
“I’m the only gay in the village “…..😂😂😂
@@patrickwinn2389 maybe because that's where things are at the moment?
*That* is why we must remove ourselves from all means of prayer: it amounts to, and reeks of magical elements; and go with overt *antitheism* in the result, in order to avoid all types of magical rituals; no exceptions.
That sounds closer to devil worship, since if you get rid of God, then, that leaves only men and our sufficiently obvious failings as far as bringing "light" into our lives, or the world.
I do not think the Jews would need to jettison God or prayer to get rid of "magical thinking" that might lead them to a Messiah fantasy/complex, when all they need to do would be to fall for complying with and enforcing the tenets of Woke Marxism.
However, if they don't believe the Messiah has yet arrived, and may believe that Christ is a product of magical thinking, why would they then believe in a Messiah to come?
If your idea were worth its salt, they would believe that the the whole Messiah idea is a fancy that tempts us to the "devil," i.e., more of our foolish devices. 0:16 0:18 0:18 0:18 0:22
He got FIRED!!!!lol🤣🤣🤣🤣🤪🤪🤪🤪😂😂😂