How The MIGHTY Have Fallen | FLSUN V400 Review
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- Опубліковано 14 лип 2024
- FLsun has long been one of my favorite 3D printer manufacturers. Not only because they make deltas and deltas are awesome but because I still think they sell one of the best entry level 3D printers out there the FLsun Q5. However love Deltas as much as I do I still choose my Prusa over my SR for a couple of reasons. First being the glass build plate, I prefer removable spring steel sheets coated in PEI and the fact that all have been Bowden tube style extruders. Until now, it’s like FLsun was reading my mind, everything I wanted in a 3D printer is now here and then some.
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Ok so now the cheater with gaskets! For SCIENCE!
This is a must.
^ I agree here. Although there was one that came close to tying the cheater with a little leak.....
Need it!
hell yeah
For the love of christ all mighty, put the cheater with gaskets on that flow test. I bet all my money it will stomp a mud hole in all the other fans.
Fans rating chart should be split into two categories. One with scoop (includes intake and exhaust) and one without. All the ones with scoop, should have gasket installed for fairness. I'm all for best fan design, but having the scoop changes it from something I can print and replace on my stock fan, to something that needs serious case modification to actually be used.
this is the way
maybe 3 groups, with the no scoop category split based on if it extends above the fan body or stays within
I think 2 groups with like 30mm or less thickness and bigger
@@TheWilliamSnfrd This is the way
Definitely this
It should be standard policy to include these TPU gaskets unless the design conflicts with their use. PLA isnt great as a seal…Even with the flat design, the TPU was able to seal better.
TPU for all!
Tpu is great for noise too. I switched to it on my laptop cooling thingy and it enabled using a far noisier squirrel cage fan on it without being too loud.
I did also make an intake muffler out of it.
(It's basically just a duct that holds the 100mm squirrel cage fan and goes straight to gpu cooler intake.)
I think we don't really need to custom print a gasket here. Every A12x25 fan comes with a seal for a radiator. I think he should have enough of these to use
In the end, it also depends on surface finish and build plate surface how it seals.. so gasket should be fair
Negative... It should be standard practice to apply fluid dynamics to the best of *YOUR* knowledge. Not, him cover for your lack of attention to detail.
@@DJBillionator it’s not a lack of knowledge when build surfaces and how the design is mounted can have a significant impact… as shown in this video. Two actually flat surfaces mounted well together should provide enough resistance against leaks under these test conditions, yet it didn’t work. FDM printing isn’t perfect. So a consistent application of this gasket would create an even playing field for the designs that have shrouds/exhaust/etc.
I think the seals against the noctua fan body should be standard practice going forward. If users want additional seals or a seal of a specific size/shape, then they should provide their own schematics for them.
Not now in the middle of the season so that the results are comparable, but definitely in the next one.
No point in supplying a new seal file if he already has a seal lying around.
@@Pystro it's like you didn't even read what I said. He'd still have the "standard seal" on the fan body. But since people submit fans of all shapes and sizes, there's not gonna be a one size fits all seal. In a situation where a user submits a fan that is either oddly shaped or has multiple stacking parts, then he/she should also provide files for a seal that would fit their design. If not, then only use the standard seal and nothing else.
@@drumlineking07 Agreed, it's like I didn't even read what you said. Oops. Must be because I'm too tired.
Negative... The objective of this channel is it is the users responsibility to apply fluid dynamics to the best of their knowledge. This, would include seals... Stop promoting laziness.
For the new season of Fan Showdown, use those gaskets for all builds. Just use 'em as part of the Noctua fan base.
I cant wait for mine to arrive! 3D Printers Workshop is giving away free filament when you purchase the V400 from them. This will be my first 3D Printer. Cant wait to apart of the maker community!!!
I also ordered from 3D Printers Workshop. From what I can tell they are a legit outfit and have a good rating with the BBB. I was a little hesitant because of the false claim of ordering within the next 9 hours and get it in less than a week although below it showed the actual shipping times. Other than that we'll see how it goes. I used paypal in case of any trouble.
The rubber corners on the fan are what cause it to leak. Even just removing them would be a benefit.
I've been thinking that for a couple of episodes
@@SkillisForNoobs Noctua includes a full rubber gasket for the boxed versions of the A12x25 which are really useful: they fully cover one side of the fan, not just the corners. Just have to swap the corners for it. At the sides it a bit thin so placement can be finicky but worth it.
Not really the cheater didn't have any visible leak in the smoke test it's the first time a leak is apparent in the test
So it more this particular print that is to blame (not flat)
I’m telling you guys check out Borg Warner turbos compressor blades, specifically their “extended tip technology” and apply that to your fan designs.
If you want to throw the air out the side, sure go with a turbo type blade... Wheel to be precise, they aren't made to throw air through them, without the housing, the wheel is useless, extended tip or not.
Yeah, I got some extended tip technology for ya right here.
Talk about breaking potential patents. Have to be careful when "copying" another person's or company's product.
@@WLS_Churchill I didn’t say design a whole turbo compressor, I said consider the extended tip technology…
@@meanman6992 The extended tip technology maximise the air flow IN THE HOUSING. It's useless on a fan that isn't a turbo wheel, wich is useless outside of the housing, ya understand ?
Seeing the performance gain from the gaskets would it be possible to use them on all multi-stage designs from here on out?
Yeah! It would be! Submitters need to include the gaskets in their designs.
Just wanted to say that you are really enjoyable to watch. Your overall video quality is always very consistent, good audio, and great clarity. You are really good at listening to your subscribers and very thoughtful and fairly thorough in your videos. THANK YOU for all you do. Thank you.
Just want to say thanks for all the awesome 3D printing content. I ordered the Q5 over a year ago and had a really hard time getting it to work right, and after a week or two of trying to figure it out I gave up, but kept watching your fan showcase videos. This very week though I have gotten back into it and have gotten some good prints. in that year I managed to learn a lot about blender and 3D modeling so it's all falling into place. :D
The Q5 can be amazing but like all can be finicky and at times disastrous. I’ve gone for a couple months without touching it from issues I couldn’t figure out.
@@jdizzforyou agreed. Above anything it's a great starting point. Mine stopped leveling properly at some point, but you can easily replace the board, extruder, hotend, servos etc over time. Getting that good sturdy base and compact footprint is the true appeal of the at.
@@ActualCharky and the price I got it at… 159 shipped during a Christmas sale on gearbest 2 years ago 😂
Stock board running marlin with the only upgrade being capricorn tubing.
Love your channel.
Super chill host. A dude in his man cave lab with his dog.
Interacts with the community better than if they were real life friends.
Listens to suggestions and shoots new videos fast.
Finger licking good quality, lighting, music, smoke teeeeeeests.
Thank you so much for the free (to view) contents.
This is the way.
YES! GASKETS!
It doesn't seem like it would have a big effect but imagine air flows like water, even a tiny hole matters if you are creating pressure. Great work 👍
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Air is a fluid so dont have to imagine much
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Suggestion: Use the gaskets for all interfaces to the front or back of the A12x25 frame from now on.
This would free us up from having to design our own gaskets, and it frees James up from having to print them.
(printing TPU is a real pain… you have to dry it out and slow the print speed waaaay down.)
Also, test the Cheater with the gaskets, to make it fair.
Love your channel, inspiring people to just try stuff and then implementing their ideas just to see what happens, you are an enabler of stuff. A legend.
HELL YES
Thank you for listening!
I'm so glad to see the gaskets made a difference
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This was a surprisingly good video to watch; I feel like I could watch you print random stuff; or even some showdown stuff on the regular.
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Dude…I’ve been watching your videos for a while. You’re so smooth and natural. You could get away with doing some story telling vids. Love what you do.
FLSUN was great and is getting better
i dont get why so few people know and appreciate it
still rocking my q5 because of you
im still driving my Q5, on your recommendation. it's done a great job on a ton of projects for me, really glad i got it!
For my smaller fans at home I have also found that just adding a spacer (like that gasket) greatly helps with reducing turbulence and improving airflow. I added mine specifically to cut down on the noise of the fans on my 3D printer whose fan grills were all very close to the fan itself.
For the next season:
1. Remove the vibration dampening corners
2. Use gaskets on all designs
Thanks for making these videos for us these are entertaining and high quality.
There are few things more satisfying to watch than a time lapse of a 3D print.
We had a fan beat the cheater and it wasn't even on an episode of fan showdown. This feels like needing to to read a comic book to get all the story for your favorite movie series.
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You should use the seals from now on for future showdowns, it'll make the results more fair cus it'll remove the variable of leaks from the tests. We're trying to determine what fan shape (and sometimes guides) work best, and removing anything else that could cause an issue from the equation will make results more consistent and precise.
Love you for listening to your fans.
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Not that bad for an under 20 minutes benchy, I'm impressed
yes, it seems like an extremely impressive printer
Wow. Great Location in background !!!!
Them using Klipper is for some reason genius, the number of times companies tried doing their own thing and falling miserably...
This printer changed the my perception of Delta printers, which I didn't like before.
My printer's stock firmware didn't even have overheat protection, on hardware known for catching on fire.
I agree with the notion that gaskets should be standard from now on for fan tests.
I have the SR.
My only gripe with it is the original hot-end for whatever reason had blockage issues. Both nozzles failed within the first few prints.
After rebuilding/upgrading the break, nozzle, and block, everything worked great.
Seeing the upgrades on the newer version... Very nice.
I wonder how well the cheater would do with the seals that you printed...
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Got my first printer a month or two ago: Prusa MK3S+. Already has well over 1000 hours on the clock and it's nothing short of perfection
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I absolutely love my Q5 and this new printer is the first one to tempt me into wanting a new an upgrade!
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I'm so jealous. I just bought a Sherpa direct extruder and mounted it on my SR, and I installed Klipper with a touchscreen running mainsail. They did everything I did, plus they beefed up the arms and increased the build volume. I want it so bad.
^When Eric Smith walks into a car dealership when he doesn't need anything and a salesman slaps the roof of a new vehicle.
@@Oblithian Hey, I have space for two deltas in my life, the kids should be moving out soon. If the salesman talks to his manager, do you think he could get me a free undercoating? I heard it really helps these printers stand up to puddles and rock salt.
Drop details I’ll ship 1 out.
I'm glad I could participate in this idea of gasket, thanks to listen to us 👍🏻
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Finally getting my first FDM printer in a few days. I'm hyped
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Excellent presentation. Still shopping.
You need to re test the cheater with gaskets for it to be fair.
Why ? it did not taken in account the results with gasket the cheater is still no1
And in the cheater test there was no visible leak it's the first time a leak is visible in the smoke test
And a need to rewatch the video but it looked like he used only 2 tie rap to hold the part to the fan and it was leaking by the corner with no tie rap
The revelation that I'd be able to print my own fan and radiator gaskets may be what finally compels me to get into 3D printing
Where r u at one point this hobby now?
This is a very tempting looking printer and I have closer 2,000 hours runtime on my poor SR pushing it to 220 mm/s with the only upgrade being 5015 cooling fans
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Great Review !!!
Thank you
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Can you try to use the gaskets on the cheater, now?
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For high print speeds you also need to increase your nozzle temps. Filament can only flow so much at ~200. CNC Kitchen did a great breakdown of temperature vs flow rate.
Man I have been wanting a delta. I was looking at the SR but really wanted direct drive for TPU so I got the QIDI and love it. Butttttt Damn now to tell the wife I need this
Q5 was my first printer. It’s still going strong!
I still remember my first FLSUN printer. In the first days of home 3D printers they had basic kits. I got them right between supply chain changes for safer stuff. I got the manual for the wrong power supply, and one that was set to the wrong voltage. Needless to say, the wire exploded and connected my arm to mains electricity. shocker. still, it's because of that I was a very early adoper of creality. still using it, too, after most of a decade now.
Used your link for pre-order! I've been waiting for a large volume delta since the failed IVI printer
The V400 looks like the go-to answer for what to do if I give up trying to make my Predator reliable for long prints. My Prusa has definitely sold me on direct extruders.
I converted my Ender 3 to a direct drive with a $35 kit and never looked back. The almost complete lack of stringing easily makes up for the need to slow down the outer-most wall to avoid ringing. Plus I can just crank up the print speed for the inner walls to make up for it, since the direct drive's material-extruded-vs-estop curve is far flatter.
I converted one of my E3s to direct drive with a printed polycarbonate bracket a good quality titan clone and a spare stepper i had. Works fantastic even for tpu.
I bought the Q5 mainly after seeing your review of it. I had considered the SR or V400 as a 2nd printer, but went with the Anycubic Kobra Plus instead. My only real issue with the Delta-style is the round bed. The Q5 at a diameter of 200mm equates to a square area of approx. 141x141mm. So you're basically sacrificing up to 30% of the bed the closer you get to a square print.
Don't get me wrong, I love my Q5 and it is great for smaller prints, but I am finding the square build plate easier to work with for modeling.
On the suction side of fans a seal for the vacuum is very important just like intakes on cars, any kind of small leak that disturbs the smooth flow will affect performance pretty heavily for suck a small leak
Hello! Always love your content! I just pre-ordered the V400 last week and was curious if you can provide your filament types (Material and Brand) and settings you use in your slicer? Just want to be ready as soon as possible once I get it!
Gasket up the Cheater and lets see who the real champion is. The Unswirler IS the leader now. The design is perfectly fine. You not mounting it well is user error imo.
agreed the cheater has been dethroned
agreed.
You should use those gaskets on all frame type fans for the gasket comparison to count IMO, including the Cheater. Gaskets seal everything, not just the Unswirler.
That thing is FAST. I gotta get one.
been eyeing on 3d printer stuff since its early time, i guess about time I get one, this model i feel is the one gonna be my 1st printer.
One problem with the Noctua is the rubberized corners that prevent a good seal.
Man I want that printer now as my next monstrosity for the workshop!
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Maj. Hardware, you should get a small articulating arm to put that monitor on. Then you can attach it to the machine itself and still view it from any angle. A good brand I've found is called SmallRig (typically for camera or audio use)
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A screen shot or two of the webui over wifi would really sell this, it's amazing looking and something people are just not familiar with in the product line.
Excellent use of the gasket - if you're using one in the future, remove the corner isolators off the plastic fan housing.
Factory installed Klipper! Nice! I love Klipper! I run it on my 2 Ender 5 plus'
Would be cool to see some 200mm fans for a season. I know they're obviously not used for CPU cooling, but maybe have a case with one exhaust fan and the submitted 200mm fan for an intake, with a passive cooler on the CPU? It'd also be neat to see how the air flows through a case with the smoke machine.
Yes!!! More SETTINGS!
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I CALL SHENANIGANS !!
Run the Cheater again with gaskets, and then put the real winner at the No1 spot for a fair comparison, Also every fan from now you need to use the gasket personally since you can re use this same one for all builds
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Just got fun you should test the difference on the cheater with gaskets. Great stuff as always.
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I don't need this...but I NEED this!
How dare you not show us the smoke test with the tpu seals on the fan? How dare? You know we want it! lol
Looking forward to seeing how this revelation influences the future of fan design!
damn, I never knew you could print flexible materials with these things, that changes things. and 800 is a lot less than I expected to pay for one too.
I can't remember the channel, but I watched a random video of a guy that made some carb gaskets for his lawnmower to test the longevity. At least in the short term, they seem to be impervious to gas and oil. TPU can be a game changer for folks with old and obscure vehicles and engines and need gaskets or dampeners made.
I have the v400. It is a great machine, but it still lacks some profiles in Cura, except for PLA. The PLA profile is extremely good.
If you want to print flexible parts, a simpler model will do fine. I use my old AnyCubic for TPU. Recently found a 85A filament which is a lot softer than 95A. It printed fine. Very clean results.
I have repaired so many things just using 3d printed parts. From wheelbarrows to furniture, camera mounts, garden fence etc. Not to mention things I printed to tinker with. Wind generators, rain collectors, housings for outdoor electronics.
I am not sure I am breaking even, or ever will, but the stuff is just a great hobby for me.
I crave this stuff every thursday 😃
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i think all your showdown fans would improve with a good gasket! but good shit bro! love it
WOW. EPIC !! I've been preaching Delta's sicne 2015. Direct Drive + those speeds= OMG !!!!!! That might literally be a perfect printer. Well, I guess if it had side panels for heated enclosure, then it would literally do everything a single extruder could possibly do. I've printed polycarbonate on my delta before(open enclosure.) That was not easy, but it did happen.
Man Congrats on that printer !!
My favorite thing about a delta is that you can save a print >> you can flatten bad layers by hand with the spudger/spatula. You can literally hold the print upright. You can use the spudger/spatula as impromptu support support material. The support spatula.
You should check out the carbon x1 from bambu labs
@@stevenbmw850 Well, I watched some reviews... The machine is still pre-order ? I'd be cautious with this machine/company. I'm curious >> Why do you want me to check out this printer ? I already have a printer ...
@@tdtrecordsmusic well all the things you listed a core xy has, this also has a sealed enclosure, with the added benefit of active vibration cancellation. Seems like something you might be interested in if/when looking for a new one.
I like how the printer seems to be really quiet. But man, those Delta Printers are huge.
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I know you're used to prusa slicer, but the real 400mm test is to use cura with the cura profile they provided. They have might have already done all the fine tuning you were talking about.
Waiting for the aurora tech review, then I'll probably preorder.
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Looking at a 1st printer for work and wondering if this one is beginner friendly. I like the build volume and a lot of the features. Is this one too much printer or would it be skipping over some of the headaches of a cheaper entry level printer.
The shape makes it fit nicely in a corner..
With the vast diversity of fan designs you get and test, why is there never an airflow vs. static pressure vs. obstruction test? You would only need a 3D-printed set of obstruction plates for your wind tunnel (with holes in them) and a differential air pressure sensor.
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this 3d printer looks amazing
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its bizzare to realize this is that same room we saw you building way back then- i keep forgetting that
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Your right the q5 is a great printer.
It has a ton of potential for upgrades. I have mine upgraded decently *don't have a video on latest mods* it can print stupid fast in comparison to stock. (Benchy in ~13min)
I have a BMG extruder, chc pro(115w ceramic heater,volcano nozzle), mks robin v3.1 W/marlin, 2209 drivers, touch screen,5015 fan, upgraded arms(SR style) magnetic PEI build plate, bi-metal heatbreak. Now I have as much in it as i would buying a higher end printer and I have linear rails coming. My q5 also now has USB and wifi with the robin board. I do still however have a bowden tube. That v400 needs to find its way into my "fleet" in the semi-near future.
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I bet you could make some fan screw sized bolts and wingnuts super easy now rather than waste zipties if you decide to go further than this with gaskets. I still really want to see that conglomeration of air systems you rigged up for the bladeless sealed like that!
you mentioned your prusa being loud, a drop in mod is to use RJZM 02-08 IGUS bearings. It is eerie how much quieter this made my prusa. I think that vibrations rattling the ball bearings in the stock setup causes the majority of the noise. These Igus bearings are just one piece.
A great review. Since you have the equipment, you should measure the sound quality of the printer.
My SRs Extruder SCREAMED until I put the rubber isolation mount on it then it got nice and quiet :)
I think it's a bit premature to say "it beat the cheater" until you also test the cheater with those gaskets, because it was probably suffering from similar leaks.
For the last few seasons of fan show down I've been trying to think what these fan attachments would be good for because the majority are to large for PC cases but then it hit me: Sever Enclosures or PC media centers that are in cabinets. I think these set ups would be great for removing the hot air from enclosures.
Now you need an extruder camera to go with the light.
I think if you took the vibration mounts off it would have solved that problem as well. So in that case it would have worked as printed. 👍
I added a strip of L.E.D lights to my voxelab aries.. best upgrade ever :P
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That's cool but Noctua already includes seals with their A12x25 fans lol, it's in the packaging!
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I bought the whambam spring steel PEX bed upgrade for my SR, and I'm looking into converting it to a direct drive with either a Sherpa Mini or Orbiter 2.0
I've ordered a bi-metal heat break for it, too.
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This awesome machine looks so scifi I'm geeking out about it!
At almost $1,000 on Amazon it will take me some time to save up for it, maybe by then they'll come out with an updated version with the bugs fixed, if there's any.🤷
I have been using it since the beginning of January. I have not encountered any bugs. However, the UI is a bit cumbersome. Takes a bit of getting used to for me coming from a simple Anycubic Kobra.
Great Video really insightfull .. i am just getting into 3d printing ... have a ender 3 and looking to upgrade .. for faster prints .and print tpu .... just confused between this and bambu x1
I’m curious how the FLSUN V400 Does after daily driving it for a while. And what you think you might change on it or don’t like.
My brother bought this but doesn't have time to make stuff with it, so he's going to bring it down the next time he visits me!
The build volume on deltas is conical at the top.... Just something to consider when mentioning build volume
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Have you tried changing the nozle to a bigger diameter? How hard is it to change?