BEST fast 3D PRINTER? X1 Carbon VS. Voron 2.4 VS. V400

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  • @danielneeley5016
    @danielneeley5016 Рік тому +297

    For anyone considering the Voron 2.4: It can be a great printer, but don't underestimate the amount of work it takes to get one of these kits together. Especially if that kind of thing isn't something you've done before. The community is pretty great, but it is still a massive task. I know some people that have both the Voron 2.4 and the X1C, and all of them say they would rather have the X1C, especially when considering the work involved in building the Voron.

    • @247printing
      @247printing  Рік тому +44

      Nope, this might not be underestimated! Depends on the Kit though: Mechanically it shouldn't be a big problem. The difference in kits comes at wiring. The most problems might arise when configuring and calibrating. For the first time it could be quite annoying to do.

    • @Goldenfaeron
      @Goldenfaeron Рік тому +24

      Oh yes. I "finished" (you will never be done with this printer) my build some weeks ago. I sourced all parts myself. So no kits. This was a big ton of work but in my opinion it is worth every second.

    • @malloot9224
      @malloot9224 Рік тому +29

      Yeah I mean realistically a voron costs 1500+1500 in high end manual labour, for this kind of work 50$ an hour is actually a low estimate. So if you value your time or need to take time of work to get this done it's really just a very expensive option

    • @OregonDuck
      @OregonDuck Рік тому +7

      Bigger thing for me was dialing it in

    • @QuebecoisSti
      @QuebecoisSti Рік тому +2

      How many hours do you think it's needed from 0 to ready to print quality parts ?

  • @victor_glekler
    @victor_glekler Рік тому +39

    I have all 3 Printers: X1C, V400 and 2.4x350 and I would say that V400 is a best one. 2.4 costs much more than 1500usd with work (I think 2K minimal) and the quality depends on your tuning and right assembly skills. X1C has ringing on high speeds and there is no option to manually adjust input shaping. Both are incredibly loud. V400 is very quiet compared to others and with Klipper you have ability to tweak and adjust anything by yourself if you want. The only downside of V400 is no enclosure to print large models with engineering materials like abs or pa, but you also can print it by yourself and it will cost less than voron

    • @darith27
      @darith27 Рік тому +1

      Thank you for your honest feedback, very helpful!!!

    • @michaellopez3681
      @michaellopez3681 11 місяців тому

      How are they in terms of speed?

    • @EricStevenSalosnyLagos
      @EricStevenSalosnyLagos 9 місяців тому

      Thanks a lot for this comment. Did u have any issues today with v400?

  • @ZombieHedgehogMakes
    @ZombieHedgehogMakes Рік тому +37

    I love the the custom printer experience, so I'm in the process of sourcing components from multiple companies to build a Voron 2.4. That being said it would be super beneficial to have a fast printer that "just works" regardless of the X1's closed source nature. Great comparison video!

  • @PCBWay
    @PCBWay Рік тому +10

    We are much honored to partner with you, Albert! 🥂🥂

    • @247printing
      @247printing  Рік тому

      That's a mutual feeling - thanks a lot also from my side !

    • @PCBWay
      @PCBWay Рік тому

      @@247printing 🍻🥂

  • @matthewwain9958
    @matthewwain9958 Рік тому +5

    $1000 for the FLSUN V400? Nope. $849 USD with TAX INCLUDED. I actually got mine for 699 in the pre-sale. (I missed the Bambu X1 by one day, when I almost cancelled my V400, and if I was buying another expensive printer would probably take a long look at the X1 Carbon for sure. With so many automatic helper features, it definitely is the future. Loving my V400 though. Times have at least halved compared to my other printers, and that's with PETG with is notorious for being a pain to print fast.

  • @Volvoamazon62
    @Volvoamazon62 Рік тому +25

    It needs to be said that the V400 is €776 (€940 incl tax) and the X1C will cost you €1129 (€1366 incl tax) in Europe. So that is a price difference of €426...

    • @quadcopterhobbyshansie_fpv5895
      @quadcopterhobbyshansie_fpv5895 10 місяців тому +4

      And, at this moment, i ordered one, it is 660€ included shipping and 1kg of tpu. While i wil be sending back my creality k1. Peace of crap.

    • @Stasyan2112sli
      @Stasyan2112sli 10 місяців тому

      @@quadcopterhobbyshansie_fpv5895could you please share the link, thank you 😊

    • @Volvoamazon62
      @Volvoamazon62 9 місяців тому

      @@quadcopterhobbyshansie_fpv5895 Yeah they went down in price a lot. Bought at Geekbuying?

    • @JonLaRue
      @JonLaRue 7 місяців тому

      Still a piece of crap btw.

  • @magnus-thome
    @magnus-thome Рік тому +41

    Great to see a comparison between these three. Very informative 👍

  • @itsmejim3804
    @itsmejim3804 Рік тому +4

    Great overview! I loved the twist at the end! I've been using a Creality 10s pro for quite a few years but recently started looking around for either an enclosure or an enclosed printer that would do my ABS/ASA projects. I ended up ordering a Bambu X1C, but may consider building the Voron as I do have some concerns about the proprietary hardware being serviceable in the future! Thanks

  • @bernarrcoletta7419
    @bernarrcoletta7419 Рік тому +18

    To quote one of my favorite woodworking channels: “I want to print stuff, not futz around with printers”. Looks like the V400 for me.

    • @juhs
      @juhs Рік тому +3

      My thoughts exactly

  • @paulmcewen7384
    @paulmcewen7384 Рік тому

    My favourite part of the video was your conclusion summarizing the merits of these printers. They all have different use case and you did a good job explaining that. Cheers.

  • @P4P5
    @P4P5 Рік тому +19

    I have just built LDO Voron 300. Could not be happier. Build was straightforward and very enjoyable.

    • @247printing
      @247printing  Рік тому

      Same feelings here: That was hell of a great and enjoyable experience!

  • @ovlv1518
    @ovlv1518 11 місяців тому +2

    Had to give you a thumbs up for the in-depth description and for pretty much making me decide on my plans for my next 3D printer. I had in mind to buy the X1C and then print the parts for a Voron there after. Your video pretty much confirmed what I already thought was a good idea. Thank you!!!

  • @Nick_4576
    @Nick_4576 Рік тому +1

    Great video! i was literally thinking the same thing at the end of the video! Thanks for the break down! I did see the Voron a little intimidating, but once you explained it as the 2cd playground project. I think ill enjoy building it.

  • @akashpatel2338
    @akashpatel2338 Рік тому +2

    Very well done and informative video, thank you! I built an LDO Voron 2.4R2 kit, had great fun doing it. After build, the real fun started, modding and replacing stock parts to make improvements. I did recently order a Bambu X1 Carbon with AMS, looking forward to using both.

    • @247printing
      @247printing  Рік тому +1

      Thank you very much! It's great to read like you guys proceed in 3D printing. Atm when I walk over to my printer room, I have the DIY side and the "plug and play" side - I am SO HAPPY and fortunate to have both. Don't want to miss any of them.

    • @akashpatel2338
      @akashpatel2338 Рік тому

      @@247printing I got my X1C with AMS a few days ago, this thing is amazing! And fast! Love it!

  • @madsnygaard6444
    @madsnygaard6444 Рік тому +2

    Absolutely excellent in depth comparison. I learned quite a bit and am now aware some pretty important pitfalls vs pros that I was not aware of before. Thanks!

    • @247printing
      @247printing  Рік тому

      Thanks a lot, I am very glad you liked it!

  • @XenonG
    @XenonG Рік тому +22

    Weird thing is, some time ago I read people running 20, 30 or more Voron 2.4 in their print farms. Easier to stock up on replacement parts when you can order from countless suppliers and printing your own bits.

    • @247printing
      @247printing  Рік тому +4

      That’s a viable procedure and imho!

    • @louisvaught2495
      @louisvaught2495 Рік тому

      In my experience, it's very, very difficult to source more than 6 identical kits at a time due to supply chain issues. You can do it if you hodgepodge different manufacturers and components, but that causes crazy support problems.

  • @mpoxDE
    @mpoxDE Рік тому +13

    Mega Video, hat mir sehr gut gefallen. Du bist schuld, dass ich die ganzen Skirt-Parts vom Voron nun nochmal zweifarbig drucke! Schaut mega aus!

    • @247printing
      @247printing  Рік тому +2

      Heyyy vielen Dank! Als langjähriger Fan deines Channels total krass von dir so einen Kommentar zu ernten, fühle mich mega geehrt! Ich sehe: du lebst das Bambu = Tool für DIY fun! Bin gespannt auf deinen V2.4!

    • @PCBWay
      @PCBWay Рік тому

      Caught you there

    • @buujakka99
      @buujakka99 Рік тому

      Gibt es für die 2 farbigen Skirts irgendwo eine STL oder 3MF Datei?

  • @premiumbasics
    @premiumbasics Рік тому +2

    Thank You for this great Video and the time you took to make it! I like that you also mentioned the aspect of reparability.

    • @247printing
      @247printing  Рік тому +1

      Thanks a lot for watching and commenting 🤘

  • @thenextlayer
    @thenextlayer Рік тому +2

    Great video as usual Albert. Love your stuff. It challenges me to push my learning to the next level… Klipper, Voron, etc… I’ll be following in your footsteps soon!

    • @247printing
      @247printing  Рік тому

      Thanks a lot, Jonathan! If you need anything concerning Klipper or Voron: I am glad to help! It's quite a journey the first time...

  • @lausi772
    @lausi772 Рік тому +5

    👏👏👏👏👏👏👏 Great review! One of the best i have ever seen! Keep up the great work

  • @ldomotorsjason3488
    @ldomotorsjason3488 Рік тому +29

    Thanks for the awesome video!

    • @247printing
      @247printing  Рік тому +1

      Hey Jason, thank you for everything ! Without you and LDO the community wouldn’t be complete 👍

    • @ModBotArmy
      @ModBotArmy Рік тому +3

      This was an excellent comparison video of 3 monster 3D printers. Script was great, footage was top notch, and I love the testing you do 👍. Great job buddy 😊. Really enjoyed it.

    • @247printing
      @247printing  Рік тому

      @@ModBotArmy Oh Man, thank you so much - it's always a pleasure to have you here!

  • @dieselphiend
    @dieselphiend Рік тому +14

    My first printer was a delta- I absolutely love them. They work very well.

    • @danielreborn4707
      @danielreborn4707 Рік тому +4

      My 1st printer was delta and I absolutely hated it 😁

    • @rockman49er
      @rockman49er Рік тому

      I still have mine and it's still running fine almost 4 years now qqs pro

    • @simonjardine
      @simonjardine 5 місяців тому

      My Flsun SR (modified) has done 1000s of hours and I'm still on the same belts!!!@@rockman49er

  • @georgevaccaro9379
    @georgevaccaro9379 Рік тому +5

    This video is just amazing to me. The amount of work required to create seems massive. Thank you for this review. You've more than earned my subscription. I've been interested in the Voron since hearing about it (not that long ago) and then heard about the X1C and had many questions about both. I think you've answered all of them. I still don't know which I'll do, I need to think about it, but the idea of buying an X1C to use to build the Voron seems like a great idea. If I am not motivated to build the Voron, I'll still have an amazing printer out of the box. Next step, look to see if you have a review of the X1C multi-filament module. :)

    • @parafitality2730
      @parafitality2730 Рік тому +1

      X1C if you want out of the box
      Something else Cartesian before Voron if hobby. Get used to working on 3d printer motherboards, wiring, stepper motors and extruder / hotends before starting the Voron. Bonus is that you can print voron parts and replacements.

  • @KanielD
    @KanielD Рік тому +4

    This video has a Project Farm feel & it’s awesome. Thank you & I think this was a great format for this video!

    • @247printing
      @247printing  Рік тому +1

      Thank you! Your comment made me finally realize the “Project Farm” is a UA-cam channel 🤣 Had some people talking about that and didn’t get it 👍

  • @naidta9802
    @naidta9802 Рік тому +2

    Woooow amazing honest review!! Thank you for your hard work!! Your channel should have more then 500 000 subs.

  • @gibbnal
    @gibbnal Рік тому +2

    I printed the parts for my LDO Voron 2.4 on my Klipperized CR10 while I wait for my X1 Carbon to arrive (next week!). So excited to have another fast printer so I can tinker more with the Voron. Also, Klicky mod is very satisfying.

  • @AndrewAHayes
    @AndrewAHayes Рік тому +2

    When I wanted to build a Voron the choice of kits was not as prolific as it is today and of the ones that were available they were never 100% available with lots of the parts out of stock, that coupled with the fact many people were complaing about the quality of parts and having to replace many of the parts, I decided to self source the very best quality parts I could lay my hands on to build a Pro 3D V-King 400, this incurred quite high shipping costs but I ended up with the printer of my dreams, I have had zero issues with it once I got it tuned in and it prints just beautiful parts and prints them fast.

  • @joell439
    @joell439 Рік тому +1

    Thank you for the in-depth comparison. I found it very helpful 👍👍😎👍👍

  • @Yoless1971
    @Yoless1971 Рік тому +4

    Maisdreschen - sehr geil :D Thank you - that's the best comparison on UA-cam so far. I'm not really on search for a new one - my Voron 01, Switchwire and 2.4R2 are enough, but there are always friends who asked for an easy Printer and who failed with all the "cheap" ones. I think the Bamboo Labs is really a more than fair deal and it works out of the box.

  • @alphy79d
    @alphy79d Рік тому

    This was a fantastic review! Thank you for all your hard work. THUMBS UP!!!

  • @avejst
    @avejst Рік тому

    Great walk-through!
    Thanks for sharing your expirence with all of us 👍 😀

  • @GregsMakerCorner
    @GregsMakerCorner Рік тому +2

    Great video! I enjoyed it a lot. I really think your conclusion is quite good. I will continue to enjoy the Voron machines because I like to tinker, and be able to repair my machine easily similar to what you concluded. I am glad thee is some good competition with new designs and printers, it will continue to help move things forward and benefit everyone.

    • @247printing
      @247printing  Рік тому +1

      Thanks a lot Greg! No reason to stop enjoying Vorons :-) A Bambu working in the background is quite convenient though!

  • @vakme
    @vakme Рік тому

    Really nice video! Thanks for the insightful information, I've already order an X1 Carbon and decided that I will use my E3V2 for a sandbox project (for now) :)

  • @tlyonstlyons
    @tlyonstlyons Рік тому +14

    Thanks for the review; it really helped with my decision.
    For anyone considering the FLSun V400, I have one and it has done really well. Very fast and with the current Cura profile, quality is good. I don't see any of the stringing here or in other earlier reviews. There is even plenty of opportunity to improve the profile further and make it even faster. Assembly is an honest 45 minutes and it just works. The software (Klipper, Mainsail and Moonraker) is a huge step up from Marlin and the remote interface is excellent.

    • @sharazar
      @sharazar Рік тому +5

      Thanks I was just getting ready to pull the trigger on a V400.

    • @qozia1370
      @qozia1370 Рік тому +3

      @@sharazar flsun has ZERO support, keep this in mind please.
      The v400 scrapes the print a lot and you have to pull your hair out trying to fix that.
      Flsun as many Chinese companies are not honest in their advertising, I would do more research for the v400.
      I got it, I like it, but was it the best choice? I don't know

    • @coolstory4813
      @coolstory4813 Рік тому

      Hello... Can you plaseee Share your cura Profile...

  • @creatorscauldron
    @creatorscauldron Рік тому +4

    Awesome video! The overhang test included with my v400 printed without supports pretty well all the way up to 70 degrees which I found pretty impressive. My x1 carbon combo has constant purge shoot clogs and requires a lot of baby sitting but that may be the Sunlu PLA. Waiting on a different companies PLA to test this. The x1cc does print absolutely beautifully. I just don't have the time or energy to put into building a voron 2.4 even though I think they are super cool.

  • @oneandy2
    @oneandy2 Рік тому +13

    I think when we get to the bow wave of "worn out" X1C printers 5 years from now, there will be plenty of modding ideas to "jailbreak" it into something more custom, anyways. That always happens with stuff like this when the residual value falls low enough or the warranty runs out so people feel more free to tinker. I fully expect a 3rd party nozzle/heatbreak to come out for it within a year.

    • @omegadeepblue1407
      @omegadeepblue1407 11 місяців тому +4

      I can't wait for the voronized X1C

    • @NeoIsrafil
      @NeoIsrafil 4 місяці тому

      It's not that there isn't the ability to do it, there's just no need. Tinkerers already went voron mostly, and it's perfect for us, but the X1 just works, so people who want that will just end up buying the replacement parts to repair it, and Bambu apparently handholds pretty well for doing expected repairs. I doubt it'll be necessary to have an aftermarket scene for the x1c

  • @tsstn
    @tsstn Рік тому

    Great comparison video too. I loved it. Thanks for sharing.

  • @Technicallyaddicted
    @Technicallyaddicted 2 місяці тому +1

    Flsun v400 is amazing. The thing got rid of my fear of printing for days on end. It will go for 36hrs straight without an issue. Having that much faith in your machine is game changing.

  • @bikepacker9850
    @bikepacker9850 Рік тому

    Great video. Thank you. I got the Ender 3 a month ago, first printer, great fun. I'm buying the Bamboo today after watching your video.

  • @GiddyUpTime
    @GiddyUpTime Рік тому

    Love the videos. Spent the day listening at work. Great video. Just got my hands on the X1C, she’s a Monster.

  • @aepfelpfluecker
    @aepfelpfluecker Рік тому +5

    Just wanted to say that the scripting and editing of this video was really well done! Also perfect transitions between different topics about the printers! Good job👍

  • @BorderEdge
    @BorderEdge Рік тому +2

    Interestingly just what I'm deciding between atm. Thanks! 🙏👍😄

  • @mariusc2137
    @mariusc2137 Рік тому +2

    yeeey, a video with all the printers on my shopping list!

  • @odw32
    @odw32 Рік тому +14

    I feel quite negatively about products like the Bambulab X1C -- Relying heavily on proprietary tech in 3d printing, where components often need servicing/replacement, seems very risky in the long term. If Reprap could evolve into machines like the Prusa i3 MK3S+, I'm quite curious what "intellectual non-property" like Voron & Ratrig will evolve into. I think within a few years there will be suppliers selling pre-assembled & supported printers from these lineages, and they will probably leapfrog the rest of the market in terms of reliability, performance & serviceability.
    That said, I do understand why makers who just want a functional PRODUCT rather than a project, and need it right NOW, would get an X1C.

    • @Leynad778
      @Leynad778 Рік тому +3

      Bambu Lab is selling filaments for their reusable spools, spare sheets for their plates and printer-parts like the extruder, fans, camera and other stuff for reasonable prices. There are so far accessories missing you might want to replace in the future with more tear and wear, but I believe they will provide more substantial replacements once they can keep up with the demand. But I just hope that and it's a gamble so far.

  • @davydatwood3158
    @davydatwood3158 Рік тому +2

    I got into 3d printing a little over a year ago, and back then all the "this is a good starter printer" assumed that everyone involved was interested in *building* a printer. I'm so glad to see that's changing - because I'm *not* interested in building a printer, and I don't think I'm alone. I really appreciated that this comparison acknowledges that Vorons are for people who want to build their machine, and the other two are for people who just want to press "play" and move on.
    Also, it's great to have some numbers comparing the X1C and the V2.4. Just today I saw yet another "which printer is faster?" question and it's nice to have some evidence to support my assumption that they're pretty much the same. Danke schon!

    • @drewberrynews3875
      @drewberrynews3875 Рік тому

      i have a question for you: if you had a choice between these 3 but the voron came completely built which would you choose?

    • @davydatwood3158
      @davydatwood3158 Рік тому

      @@drewberrynews3875 It's hard to be completely impartial on this as I do own an X1C. But... I think I'd still go with it, especially if I managed the same purchase price I actually paid - I got early bird kickstarter pricing which drops the cost a lot.
      Even at full retail, though, the X1C is designed for minimal user intervention. This is the flip side of all those proprietary parts, but it does make life a lot easier. The printer tunes itself, no screwing around with Klipper. The nozzle, throat, and heat break are a single part - no more blobs of doom. (I've destroyed two different hotends on my Ender 5 because it's so hard to get the nozzle and throat seated properly.) Okay, you can get a Revo for the Voron, but that's just an example. Sure, a Voron will be easier to self-repair, but if you don't have the skills and interest in building it in the first place, you probably don't have the skills and energy needed to repair it, either.
      For me, as a person who doesn't find screwing around with the printer to be a fun task, the X1C is a clear winner. (If I only printed PLA and PETG, I'd strongly look at the P1P instead.) *Everything* about it is designed to minimise the effort and interaction between the user and the printer. That's a big upside for me. Even if someone else built the Voron for me, there's a lot of little details that need to be attended to by the user; which is fine, because the person that a Voron is pointed towards is a person who *wants* to fiddle with those details.
      So - yeah, even if the Voron was fully built, I really think that only a person who wants to fiddle around with their printer, tinkering and modifying, should get one. If you want your printer to be reliable and unobtrusive, get an X1 or a P1P.

  • @lomoDaniel
    @lomoDaniel Рік тому +2

    Fantastic content! And very helpful.

  • @jazzboy
    @jazzboy Рік тому +1

    Excellent vid. Just got Klipper going on my Delta and my, my what an amazing eco system!

  • @renesfoodpassion
    @renesfoodpassion Рік тому +1

    Schönes Video und schön zusammengefasst am Ende!

    • @247printing
      @247printing  Рік тому +1

      Hallo Rene, danke für's vorbeischauen und für das Lob 🤩

  • @marcelzuidwijk
    @marcelzuidwijk Рік тому +6

    Nice comparison! I’ve got the X1CC and building a Voron v2.4r2. Now I want the FLSUN too 😂😂😂

    • @247printing
      @247printing  Рік тому +1

      Hey Marcel, thank you! I am not sure if I would buy the V400 if wouldn't have a review unit, but considering the fact that it's Klipper out-of-the-box and that it has loads of potential: Most probably yes! Do it :-D

    • @cuisinart7899
      @cuisinart7899 Рік тому

      I have been using the v400 for about a week and it’s amazingly quiet, even at top speed. I’ve gone through abs, pls, and tpu all with fantastic results. Enemy printed a tpu cal cube in 9 mins at 200 mm/s. A future tutorial on shaping tuning to get a little more detail will be nice but for most prints I do it’s not missed at all.

  • @leesakowski790
    @leesakowski790 Рік тому +20

    After looking at many reviews I am planning on getting the Bambu Lab X1 Carbon with AMS system. That said, I will eventually build a Voron 2.4, just not quite ready to do such an involved build just yet. Not to mention the printers I have now are not well suited for ABS/ASA, but the X1 Carbon, is.

    • @GiddyUpTime
      @GiddyUpTime Рік тому +2

      This exactly. Having just unboxed this X1C, nothing else is even crossing my mind. 🤯

    • @thespectator2976
      @thespectator2976 Рік тому +2

      @@GiddyUpTime Made an preorder on x1c 2 hours ago :) lets see what im getting into. i have no experience with 3d printing :) prolly going to be a fantastic jorney :)

    • @shahadk7102
      @shahadk7102 Рік тому +1

      @@thespectator2976 lucky

    • @jamesharris9894
      @jamesharris9894 Рік тому

      @@thespectator2976 u get printer yet

    • @thespectator2976
      @thespectator2976 Рік тому

      @@jamesharris9894 Nope, not yet. Still waiting. The site said "end of March" so. yeah. hopefully it goes faster :)

  • @cesarx1000
    @cesarx1000 Рік тому +5

    Big work here, thanks buddy!

  • @NeilWNC
    @NeilWNC Рік тому +3

    Excellent review(s), very informative. I'm pleased that the printer market is finally maturing, with very reasonable prices for very capable machines. That being said, I'm constantly impressed by the "little" brother of the V400, the FLSun Super Racer. At about $450 retail shipped, it's an outstanding value, and the print quality has been really good. Sure, it's got its downsides, and I spent the first three days fine-tuning a Simplify3d profile, but now it's become my main machine. Fast, quiet, and large enough for most of what I make, plus the filament detection works really well. I'm not saying it's quite the speed demon that the three reviewed printers are, but it's darned fast compared with about anything else on the market, and at that price for me it's a no-brainer.

    • @foam27
      @foam27 Рік тому +1

      I have the V400. I wonder how much better the X1 is?

    • @NeilWNC
      @NeilWNC Рік тому

      @@foam27 Now that the P1P is out (or out soon), it's going to be a real strong competitor to things like my "mighty" Super Racer. I'm not experiencing buyer's remorse, but not far from it. If I had $700 to spend today on a printer (which I don't, and can't justify), the P1P has a good chance of getting the "go" button.

  • @holy_moly
    @holy_moly Рік тому +2

    Gutes Video, sympathisch rüber gebracht 👍🙂

  • @patrickchase5614
    @patrickchase5614 9 місяців тому +3

    The main thing that I worry about with the Bambu is the use of bushings on carbon slider rods. As an engineer that combination worries me from a wear perspective, and I've noticed some limited reports of bushing wear "out in the wild" (but not as much as I would have guessed). This issue could be mitigated if Bambu designed the bushings to be end-user replaceable.
    The Voron's linear rails OTOH should be completely bombproof as well as being easily replaced. Yes, they weigh more and limit achievable acceleration, but there are reasons why you don't see configurations like the Bambu's in professional printers or similar motion-intensive devices.

  • @terrylyn
    @terrylyn Рік тому

    Incredibly good, useful and in depth comparison.

  • @Desert3DPrinting
    @Desert3DPrinting Рік тому +1

    Thank you for this video it was helpful, in my opinion I would get the Bambu Lab Carbon X1, I have a Prusa MK3S+ and I love it, but I wanted a faster printer, but I wasn't sure about the Bambu Lab until my friend got one I saw how well it printed and its speed, and I also saw this video, and I hope to eventually get the Bambu Lab Carbon X1.

  • @Nanomusheens
    @Nanomusheens Рік тому

    I went LDO 2.4 as my first printer. Almost finished with the build, at least to get it functional. I pretty much just have the toolhead left to build (decided to upgrade the toolhead PCB to the 2 piece one) and get it tuned. I did at least hook everything up, flashed the firmware, and did some motion testing and initial configuration. I haven't tried printing yet, but I will once I get the new toolhead PCB installed.
    Aside from a couple of frustrating moments, it's been enjoyable so far. I've been taking my time with it over about a month, but haven't touched it in a couple of weeks.

  • @bergi_bergos
    @bergi_bergos Рік тому +2

    Always happy to help!

    • @247printing
      @247printing  Рік тому

      Thanks for joining and helping with the "X1 Carbon build"! :-D

  • @Mantuary
    @Mantuary Рік тому +6

    I did it the hard way. Printed all the ABS parts for the LDO 2.4 on my Sidewinder X1 and enjoy the nice ABS smell over weeks :-) but the building experience of the Voron was worth it.

    • @247printing
      @247printing  Рік тому

      Wow, glad to read that!

    • @1empyre1life
      @1empyre1life Рік тому

      What did you do to print ABS successfully on the X1? I've had some troubles, mainly with warping. About to pull the trigger on a tent style enclosure if it will help with warping on higher temp materials.

  • @dianalockwood4458
    @dianalockwood4458 Рік тому +3

    A very clear and precise video comparison . Glad to here the pro’s and cons of each machine. I’m certainly veering towards the X1 Carbon for the future! . Time will tell as to each ones help or backup regards spares going forward. Appreciate all your hard work in doing this review! Keep it up.

    • @247printing
      @247printing  Рік тому

      Thanks a lot Diana, your comment helps a lot to keep my motivation very high !

  • @Sphyxx
    @Sphyxx Рік тому +3

    I'd love to build a Voron 2.4 for the fact that I love technical things and building things but right now I need to be satisfied with my Ender 3 V2 which is quite slow.

  • @brianwaayenberg3099
    @brianwaayenberg3099 Рік тому +1

    love my voron, but id consider a x1 honesly as im more about making parts, not fiddling, but the was a fun adventure and quick for heatup/prototype prints :)

  • @BOOTLEGTOYCO
    @BOOTLEGTOYCO Рік тому +1

    Oooh man this is the video I needed to see! All my top choices! (Next to prusa of course)

  • @justincasiere9598
    @justincasiere9598 Рік тому

    I'm glad it was you who made this video. I don't know if I'd trust anyone else's opinions to be unbiased.

  • @forcedindenturedservant6881
    @forcedindenturedservant6881 9 місяців тому

    I’m about 1350hrs print time on my x1 carbon and it’s still running great. Only had to swap out clogged hotends a couple times. I’ve had to pull apart the extruder and clean it out because certain exotic filaments can clog up the gears in it. Biggest issue I’ve had is a failure to extract filament error but I fixed that with a 3d printed long elbow at the toolhead. I’m thinking I might replace some of the feeders on my AMS because I’ve ran a bunch of cf-pla through it and it’s really rough on the ams.haha I’m pretty sure that most the problems I’ve had on this printer were self created from trying out super hard filaments, if I only ran pla or abs it wouldn’t of had any issues except for the filament extraction thing. Carbon rods and bearings are fine, standard cleaning and maintenance.

  • @alexandroneale4060
    @alexandroneale4060 Рік тому +1

    Great review, thanks!

  • @MakerBees333
    @MakerBees333 Рік тому +11

    Absolutely THANK YOU! I have literally spent a week researching and diving in to this! I need a work horse to keep expanding my print business, I arrived at the carbon x1 for the exact same reasons you stated.
    I was very validating to see someone as well respected as you to come to the same conclusion. 😁 if I wasn’t dropping all my money on printers I would have a few dollars to send your way to say thank you, your work here is truly appreciated.
    The small Enders style or kinroons are failing me and I don’t have time to keep fixing and ordering parts constantly when I have standing orders. Hopefully the X1 can catch up and free up the time I need to go fix the old printers… then maybe a Voron LDO of course.

    • @sergeb7945
      @sergeb7945 Рік тому +2

      If it's for a printing business, just keep in mind a Bamboo X1 is worth 4 Enders or 3 CR10. Even at high speed, is it able to produce as much?

    • @MakerBees333
      @MakerBees333 Рік тому +5

      @@sergeb7945 Yes I mentioned that but I have had terrible luck with the disposable printers… my latest 3month old printer for under $300 needs a new hotbed thermistor and that is 5 days after it needed a new hotend… and my etruders gave up on life with my other and my third printer is waiting on new fans… 3 $300-$600 printers and they all keep going down weekly. Yes my volume will decidedly decrease but I might just get the reliability I need. It is less a full time thing rather a pure side hustle that I don’t have as much time for tinkering and fixing as I thought I did.

    • @LilApe
      @LilApe Рік тому

      @@MakerBees333 If reliability is what you're after, stick with prusa, their dependability is proven. one of my MK3s' has 10 miles of carbon nylon printed through it with zero broken components. All stock, just new nozzles. Factory hotend, bed, extruder, rails, etc.

    • @MakerBees333
      @MakerBees333 Рік тому +2

      @@LilApe I will consider that thank you, I may expand with Those in the future as well as the X1. If I was going to start all over again I wish I would have been able to tell myself to spend the money on a Mk3 to start… I would probably have been more successful and had more money to spend on the fancy multi color x1 as a Kickstarter 😆.

    • @247printing
      @247printing  Рік тому +2

      Hey Theodore, Thanks a lot for your comment! Same for me: these were the most interesting printers this year and I am happy that was able to make this video about them. Technically they’re all fine within their differences, but software, settings and support make the difference. That’s why Prusa can also still be worth the money even though it’s technically dated.

  • @ChristophLehner
    @ChristophLehner Рік тому +2

    The most anticipated video in 2022!

  • @frankenjstein9371
    @frankenjstein9371 Рік тому +1

    As an artist who prints his own sculptures I'm glad I went with the Bambu X1

  • @harrisq4591
    @harrisq4591 Рік тому +1

    this was exactly the video i was looking for thanks!!

    • @247printing
      @247printing  Рік тому

      Thank YOU for watching!

    • @harrisq4591
      @harrisq4591 Рік тому

      @@247printing quick question would you happen to know what a good webcam/streaming camera for the 3D printer is good/useful for the v400 in particular.

  • @Cpgeekorg
    @Cpgeekorg Рік тому +3

    I've been building a 350mm ldo v2.4 for the past few months. I've printed / am printing (down to the last few parts) my voron parts on my slightly modified creality ender 3 (all metal heatbrake, bltouch, pei springsteel sheet, raspberry pi, klipper, accelerometer for input shaping, duct taped cardboard box enclosure with a small hole cut out for my webcam so i can see inside while printing). I've found that if I print the parts I need one manual module in advance, (for example, printing the z motor assemblies while building and squaring the frame), I print all the parts I need and nothing I don't while giving myself lots of options for modifications while I'm going through my build. (very pleasurable). I've been at it for several months, but I have only set aside a few hours a week for printer building, as I've been doing the building on stream (and the printing in between). So far I clearly can't say anything about the quality of prints or anything, because my printer isn't yet complete, but the design seems very well thought out for the most part, the assembly instructions have been quite good, and any time I've had any questions not answered by the manual or the LDO documentation, i've been able to ask the voron discord which is a WONDERFUL resource of helpful community members who are there at all hours of the day or night and they haven't let me down once. I am closing in on the end of my build now, just getting started on the electronics section which is the final hardware section of the build (the last is software, first print, and calibration). I'm extremely happy with LDO's organization, documentation, quality of parts, and the fact that they include many spare backup fasteners for when I inevitably drop screws into the dark black void in my lab heh. if you're interested in building the voron, the LDO kit is well worth the slightly higher price point vs. other kits... they even include sub-kits for common voron mods like klicky, the nevermore air filter / air cicrulation system, purgebucket/nozzle scrubber, led lighting, and included a free upgrade kit for all the things you need to build the new stealthburner toolhead (which was a really fun build). HOWEVER, if you lack the paitence or will to build things with your hands (i.e. install thousands of screws, run belts, build bearing packs/assemble idlers, etc. etc.) a voron is probably not for you. it's very well documented, especially the LDO kit, but you must will it into existence devoting some of your life energy to get the job done, from literally a pile of parts. it's a little like buying a car from an auto parts store instead of a car dealership.

    • @rickcamp5734
      @rickcamp5734 Рік тому

      I’m running a similarly modded ender3 and cannot get reliable abs prints. Do you mind sharing settings/ filament details?

  • @polycrystallinecandy
    @polycrystallinecandy Рік тому +8

    Can you connect the V400 to a device running the "normal" Klipper and try calibrating it? Would be interesting to know what the actual limits of the hardware are. Great video as always 👍

  • @kazolar
    @kazolar Рік тому

    I built a voron 2.4 last year (350) it was fun, and I enjoy doing my own mods, and taking community mods. I cnced my own doors out of black acm with pc windows with proper hinges, and berd air cooling...community mods to add ge5c bearing mod + euklid probe. It's been fun. I built and designed other machines, a 4 headed independent axis printer and a giant delta. And recently switched most to canbus, voron included. You really don't get the most out of the voron with heavy cable chains. Umbilical with can toolhead gets to the top of the acceleration chart. I've had the bambu x1c with the ams for a couple of weeks and it's great. I received the stretch goal with the nozzle pack, and the proprietary aspect of things bothers me a little since I have a custom print monitor for all my machines and can't add the bambu to it, there is no api to get print progress etc. It is wrong to say the flsun v400 has more build space than bambu, the max square it can print is 210x210x350 ish. Since FL sun lies on the max build height a true build height of the delta is end of the cylinder not the cone, I built my own delta, I did the math where the cone starts. Bambu is 256 cubed. I agree with what you did, get the bambu, build a voron, but if I had to build a voron, I'd go with a trident, I think the fixed gantry can allow for higher print speeds with higher accelerations.

  • @barrya5473
    @barrya5473 8 місяців тому

    Hands down V400. My 1st printer. Joy of my life now. 7 months in.
    Modified many aspects by down loading (tweaking) and printing the enclosure and designed my own filament holders. I have a dedicated workshop and the machine sits on a 2'x18" table on wheels. Power supplied from above allows me to move it anywhere. Added unique design for a bolt on base holding 14 spools of filament on the top of the machine. Very easy to change. I installed a constant USB HEPA air filtration inside the enclosure. Room temp ranges from 70 - 80 and humidity ranges from 35 to 47. Have had zero problems so far. Quiet, moves out of my way and the birds show up to watch it run through the window. Using Klipper pad I was able to push it bounce between 900 to 1200mms for printing good angle brackets for a project. I watch & control the machine power and speeder pad from 3 separate locations on the property. Having fun doing so too.

  • @somedudewithakeyboard
    @somedudewithakeyboard Рік тому +1

    Wow, I can’t imagine how much time and effort went into this video. Great job!
    Additional 👍 for “no voronty” 🤣

  • @mongini1
    @mongini1 Рік тому +3

    i voronized my ender 5 (CoreXY Mod, Stealthburner, 230V 500 Watts 6mm Aluminum Bed, Super PINDA for leveling) and it works perfectly at 250-300mm/s with input shaping. Got it that way since January and i dont need to think about anything. I start a print, and walk away and i can be certain that it comes out just perfect. Even Nylon and Polycarbonate just work :)

    • @La-di
      @La-di Рік тому

      What speed do you print the nylon and polycarbonate?

    • @mongini1
      @mongini1 Рік тому

      @@La-di nylon 120mm/s at max, PC depending on the layer time between 80 and 180mm/s

  • @protectyourassests1028
    @protectyourassests1028 Рік тому

    I started with 6 S1 Pros', got a Carbon X1 recently. I'm working my way up to a 2.4 LDO kit.

  • @tonykyle2655
    @tonykyle2655 Рік тому +5

    Thank you for the comparison. Your insights on the max height on the v400 are spot on. I knew it would not be the full 410mm in height but am surprised at how much it loses on the sides.
    If I had not got it at the pre-order price I would have to seriously consider my options. Thank fully I got a great price and it is a good printer.

    • @247printing
      @247printing  Рік тому +1

      Oh don't take my quick sketch to scale (could calculated easily though), but yes it's definitely not a cylinder (like advertised). That Davy stopped at 370mm with "move out of range"

    • @247printing
      @247printing  Рік тому +3

      @@tonykyle2655 I’ll address this again to FLSUN - I think my opinion on this was very clear in the video. Thanks for your inputs 👌

    • @BB-cs5qc
      @BB-cs5qc Рік тому

      hello, could it be that the relationship with this area loss did not give information? print frames, how many cm can I use round or square prints? Sampling How much does it allow me to use as the maximum height and table area for products such as 25 x 25 cm square flower pots? I'm undecided to pre-order the printer :)

    • @tonykyle2655
      @tonykyle2655 Рік тому

      @@BB-cs5qc my unit is capped at 360mm on Z (height). so the print area is 300 diameter by 360 in height.

    • @BB-cs5qc
      @BB-cs5qc Рік тому

      @@tonykyle2655 When I want to print a square 210x210 product, the table area can be printed up to 360mm, so I understand correctly, right? Or does it get lost from the table area as it rises? I want to print products such as flower pots with a base of 21 x 21 cm and a height of 25 cm, do you mind?

  • @henrywilson3462
    @henrywilson3462 Рік тому

    Thanks for this informative video. It always helps to get reviews before buying a product. I prefer going for Axis Business Technologies because they offer consultation so you can make a well informed decision. They also offer printer service as well.

  • @Manbo3D
    @Manbo3D Рік тому +2

    Top, danke für das großartige Video 😬👍

    • @247printing
      @247printing  Рік тому +1

      Grüß dich, danke dir für's Vorbeischauen und Kommentieren!

    • @Manbo3D
      @Manbo3D Рік тому

      @@247printing selbstverständlich ☺️

  • @Ryan_Tidwell
    @Ryan_Tidwell Рік тому +2

    The Voron is the only way to go. The reason: adaptability. 3d printing is evolving at a crazy rate. If you have a Voron you can fit any hot end any nozzle, you can change boards and firmware...The other printers will be obsolete in a few years and be in the landfill. Once you build a Voron you can replace parts easily, modify as needed and it will keep running for a long long time because you built it and you can fix or modify it.

  • @severstal81
    @severstal81 Рік тому +1

    I have an FLSun Super Racer and I love it, but I would make your choice as well. X1 Bambu to print the parts for the Voron 👌

    • @247printing
      @247printing  Рік тому +1

      I'd like to try a Super Racer on Klipper! Maybe some day...

  • @tlyonstlyons
    @tlyonstlyons Рік тому +2

    Here's a thought after reading many of the comments below: most people are not cross shopping these 3d printers.
    Bambu: I don't care what it costs but I want to print without reading directions. Maybe a 1 page quick start that mostly tells me I bought the best printer. I ordered from my iPhone 14 Pro.
    Voron 2.4: I *really* don't care what it costs, and I am not counting my hours 'cause this is my therapy. I ordered from my phone but I am not sure what brand phone it really is after loading so many custom ROMs from XDA on it.
    FLsun v400: Speed, speed, speed, speed, speed. Oh yeah, speed. My phone has a cracked screen so I ordered from my liquid cooled Ryzen 9 laptop.

    • @aaronweaver4515
      @aaronweaver4515 Рік тому

      Lmfao 🤣 I died after the "not sure what phone it is because of too many custom roms from XDA"

    • @mhcaricature1248
      @mhcaricature1248 Рік тому

      I’m hollering 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 best comment so far 🤣 my screen is cracked and all I’ve been leaning towards is the V400 for speeeeeed🤣

  • @ljuboizsiska5448
    @ljuboizsiska5448 Рік тому +3

    I bought a new QIDI I-mateS to be able to print parts for V0.1 and V2.4 (both LDO) which I was building practically at the same time. It was an undertaking worthy of epic poems. I had no idea about assembling a printer, installing software, fine tuning, slicers... A total naïve who went on an adventure. I learned an incredible amount in the process and I wouldn't trade that experience for anything. Now I'm waiting for my third LDO kit, the Trident which should arrive any day. The parts for it have long been printed on the older Voron brothers, the software is ready for installation, and I am waiting for delivery at the door with screwdrivers and SD cards in my hands. I gave QIDI to a friend.

  • @moriszaugg6868
    @moriszaugg6868 Рік тому +1

    That video is one of the best videos that i watched in the last months

    • @247printing
      @247printing  Рік тому +1

      OMG, thank you so much - that made my day!

  • @MoppelMat
    @MoppelMat Рік тому +2

    I printed my parts for my 2.4r2 on my modified Ender 3. precision was not relly that good, so I had to clean the parts and sometimes sand and file them to spec. But my 2.4 works and I love it. My Ender printed itself into retirement.

    • @247printing
      @247printing  Рік тому +1

      This story is so cool and sad at the same time - thanks for sharing 🤟

  • @krzysztofkaminski9454
    @krzysztofkaminski9454 Рік тому +1

    I'll wait and see how things develop with Bamboolab. For now I'll go with smaller Voron 0.1

  • @tsstn
    @tsstn Рік тому +1

    I have been working on building a Voron to a custom 400x400x450 for about a year. So first I had to get my E3pro to reliably, and accurately print ABS.
    Then our household income took about a 25% hit for the year. So my kit purchase was put on hold. Now that a friend has his X1C I can get him to whip out the prints that I need to finish. And soon have the last of what I need to start assembly.
    To anyone in the same slow boat as me "DO NOT PRINT PARTS IN ADVANCE"
    At least not till you have nearly everything on your BOM. And download all the needed files and label them with a date.
    So many changes happened while I was building slow that I did not even realize that some of my first parts are obsolete before ever even getting all the parts in the original BOM.
    Long story short. Buy a kit, or be prepared to buy and print something or other repeatedly.

  • @nerdipedia1142
    @nerdipedia1142 Рік тому +1

    Oh wow. I wish I had seen this before ordering the V400. Oh well. It gives me an excuse to save up for the Bambu Carbon (like I really needed one). Great video and can’t wait to check out your other content. So glad I found you!

    • @247printing
      @247printing  Рік тому +5

      Hey Thanks a lot for stopping by 😍 You’ll have fun with the V400, it’s a cool and enjoyable machine. I bet that calibration and settings will be optimized- maybe I can also contribute to that - it has GREAT potential for more and it’s already good !

    • @nuclearbeast7905
      @nuclearbeast7905 Рік тому +1

      @@247printing please make a video showing how to make it better i just ordered one last month waiting to get it in thank you

    • @247printing
      @247printing  Рік тому

      It’s on my list, bit I can’t promise that I find the time for it in the near future

    • @nuclearbeast7905
      @nuclearbeast7905 Рік тому

      @@247printing hopefully should i be worried if I’m trying to print nylon in the v400

    • @KavdaenMain
      @KavdaenMain Рік тому

      I returned my V400

  • @karlfife
    @karlfife 8 місяців тому +1

    The reason to build a voron 2.4 is the combination of flexibility and large size. Flexibility as in, more materials, hotter bed, hotter nozzle etc., and large as in, 350mm cube build volume, Nothing else can match that (very powerful) combination. It's also very fast if you dial it in.

  • @DAMitAlI
    @DAMitAlI Рік тому

    I was looking into getting fast print machines so I can bring trinkets to reptile shows my fiancée is selling at to make a few extra bucks. All except the Voron we’re on my short list.
    I’ll have to check back in once I really know what I want/need from an FDM printer.

  • @TheJttv
    @TheJttv Рік тому

    I have been printing for 8 years now and looking to replace a 2016 wanhoa duplicator v1. Its well tuned but its still a old design. For my next printer i want something with a larger build plate, quieter and makes the hobby about designing and 3d printing not tuning the printer. Bambu has my eye, but i really would like a bambu xl.

  • @PunCala
    @PunCala Рік тому +1

    I bought the V400 and it arrives next week. I hope I haven't made a mistake. My main appeal with V400 was the vertical size, as I have more room in that direction than horizontally. I also wanted wifi instead of SD cards. The main reason why I wanted a 3D printer was to be able to print shoe lasts from TPU.

    • @michaellopez3681
      @michaellopez3681 11 місяців тому

      How has it been performing

    • @PunCala
      @PunCala 11 місяців тому +2

      @@michaellopez3681 Well, I've had to do A LOT of calibrations but overall I'm fairly happy I got this. There are some issues though, and my main issue is that the Klipper is not actually Klipper but an FLSun restricted version. There are other gripes, like not having input shaping, insanely difficult maintenance of the printing head, and so on. Next week I plan to flash the whole system and install original Klipper.

    • @barrya5473
      @barrya5473 8 місяців тому

      my post above.
      Hands down V400. My 1st printer. Joy of my life now. 7 months in.
      Modified many aspects by down loading (tweaking) and printing the enclosure and designed my own filament holders. I have a dedicated workshop and the machine sits on a 2'x18" table on wheels. Power supplied from above allows me to move it anywhere. Added unique design for a bolt on base holding 14 spools of filament on the top of the machine. Very easy to change. I installed a constant USB HEPA air filtration inside the enclosure. Room temp ranges from 70 - 80 and humidity ranges from 35 to 47. Have had zero problems so far. Quiet, moves out of my way and the birds show up to watch it run through the window. Using Klipper pad I was able to push it bounce between 900 to 1200mms for printing good angle brackets for a project. I watch & control the machine power and speeder pad from 3 separate locations on the property. Having fun doing so too.
      I love my machine. 7 months in nw.
      I also cut and glued to my spare build plate a piece of Garolite (G10 Fr4 1/16" I think). sticks better and bottom prints smoother. Let it cool and they pop right off.
      Let me know how your re-install of Klipper goes. Not sure I need to but have never done a flash or used Klipper before. Some people say it is better to do a full setup. Not sure why I need to SSH (what ever that is).
      Good luck buddy.

  • @TheDuerden
    @TheDuerden Рік тому +1

    I think you should add a section here on Customer Service, and relate the fact that FLSUN has no customer service. You can email them, and they will ignore you. So if you have any issue with your printer, you are on your own. This needs to be considered given the expense of the product.

  • @scottgrant2913
    @scottgrant2913 Рік тому +3

    One thing that I believe is very important is support from the manufacturer. I have had three previous printers and the support was good for all of them. I have had the V400 for over a month. So far the support has been rather poor. I asked about nozzles for abrasive materials and I was told to use the regular nozzle and not to worry. As far as I can tell it is probably brass and if that is correct it will be trashed by carbon/nylon. They would not tell me what it was made of. I recently had a problem when I tried to recheck the bed leveling with their probe. I had no trouble with the probe initially but when I recently retried it Klipper would fail and I have to hard boot the machine. So currently I can not check the leveling. I ordered another probe on line and will see if it works. I emailed support from Flsun and so far I have been ghosted. Yes the machine is cool and fast. The quality is not what I get on my slower Prusa MK3S+ but for certain things the fast speed is nice. I just wish that I was able to get better responsiveness from Flsun. The information about tuning the machine was very interesting since Flsun does not make mention that at all.

    • @BLAZEPSI
      @BLAZEPSI Рік тому +1

      Quality wise, slow is the key. Try to slow down your outer layer to atleast 40.
      As per nozzle, its a consumable, you can replace it with diamondback and never have to worry what materials you use.
      My bad suggestion, if it ever goes bad, order one in amazon. Swap the parts and return it. That's the only way I can guarantee that I get my moneys worth if the machine ever brakes sooner than expected, that's my last resort incase they ghosted me..

  • @firefox7530
    @firefox7530 Рік тому +3

    Der FLSUN v400 ist der Hammer. Wer keinen Bock mehr hat auf selber frickeln in Marlin um die besten Einstellungen zu finden etc. etc. etc. Nie mehr, ich habe keinen Bock mehr darauf. Auspacken, montieren und drucken. Das ging beim V400 innerhalb 60min. Nach 100min hatte ich den Drucker aufgebaut und einen Druck fertig ausgedruckt, auf dem Esstisch.... Ohne irgend eine Einstellung zu ändern oder mühsames Leveling zu machen mit Buildplate einstellen etc. Und die Geschwindigkeit ist super.....

    • @247printing
      @247printing  Рік тому

      Stimmt schon, der V400 geht schon eher in einer Stunde als in zwei. Weiß nicht mehr warum ich damals im Juli so langsam war (2h)...

  • @arshishmaneckji9547
    @arshishmaneckji9547 Рік тому +1

    Hi. I've been following your videos for a while and I eventually bought the V400.
    I've seen that you mentioned that it suffers from Smoothing. I've got the input shaper hardware and run the calibration and the detail level has improved but I still feel it is not maxed. I'm getting hump3_ei with 95 on X and 104 on Y. (I have a 3rd fan mounted)
    Also after the input shaping I have started seeing slightly higher ghosting than before. Any suggestions on how I can improve detail further and get rid of the ghosting?

  • @micheldaoust7345
    @micheldaoust7345 Рік тому +1

    Thanks a lot for the detailed info on those printers. Could you please tell me what probes you are using on your Voron? In the video at 5:32 you mention "Clicky probe" and a second one. What is the second one? I could not understand.
    Thanks.

    • @247printing
      @247printing  Рік тому

      Thank you! It's a "Pepperl&Fuchs" inductive probe = "Pinda" (Prusa) = "Vinda" (vonwange). Very good!

  • @turtel5649
    @turtel5649 Рік тому +1

    Great video 👍

  • @3DBearnicorn
    @3DBearnicorn Рік тому +2

    “No Voronty” 😂😂😂
    Great video! Still can’t decide which one to get.

    • @247printing
      @247printing  Рік тому

      Thanks a lot! Why can't you decide? Do you need/want a tool (X1C) or a project (DIY) or something in between (V400)?
      I had so many people on Twitter stating: "ALL OF THEM!"

    • @3DBearnicorn
      @3DBearnicorn Рік тому +1

      @@247printing l keep a pretty strict budget to keep myself from buying all the 3D tech I want/can afford. It leads me to making decisions based more on needs than wants. My gut tells me I need a tool more than another project printer. My heart wants more projects.

    • @247printing
      @247printing  Рік тому +1

      Then... If you have a reliable printer go for something DIY!