Wait a minute... Imagine if the Paladin made "healing" drugs that fixed the druggies and prevented them from getting hooked on anything stronger then soda. 😂 That would be funny and fit with "Drug dealing Paladin" 😂
Honestly, a “Paladin named Aladin who was named that because his parents were bards who abandoned their son to a paladin order who can’t change his name because of the beliefs the people who actually raised him live by” sounds like a fun character.
And his parents being "true neutral" sounds like a fun character for a non serious campaign. Maybe have Aladin be an antagonist in that story too as a crazy person who thinks he's lawful good but is actually chaotic evil
maybe he was left with only the name and everyone assumed he would become a paladin, so he gave in to what he assumed was the inevitable edit: raladin, meanwhile, defies his fate. the two grow up with no knowledge of one another, but immediately assume they are brothers when they they first meet, because they cannot imagine two setsof parents cruel enough to bestow that name.
I kinda kept getting the feeling that he was trying really hard to be funny, but it wasn’t working. Honestly this sounds like shenanigans my friends and I have gotten into, but not everyone is engaged/okay with it.
Aladin would honestly make for a fantastic antagonist/rival character. He's so sure of himself and his antics would be hilarious from a different angle. Dude keeps getting used by BBEGs who capitalize on his... lacking intelligence but never seems to realize that his 'fight for good' is literally always just wrong. Like this dude sucks to play with, but to play against? I'd love it.
look, im currently a first time dm, but about 5 minutes in i’d just tell the paladin. ‘you’ve broken your oath, and your powers are removed. You’re a normal criminal now with no devotion to anything. Good luck!’
Remove spell casting and features and offer an opportunity to restore their oath, or do something like bg3 where you give them some sorta oath breaker subclass
@@MushyLizard If that shitheads tells the story noone in their right mind will think that. So it'll just keep idiots like Aladin away from you and your party, so a win-win
I once played a permadad paladin, he let everyone do whatever they wanted, but came with some heals and a life lesson if it failed, or a fistbump if they succeeded
Aladin the Paladin's player just reeks of Main Character Syndrome, he clearly thinks the world revolves around him, and thus any action he does is correct and any action against him is pure evil, and everyone else are just NPCs that should feel honored he "allows them to live in my world". Guys like this will never work in a DnD party, they think the story is about their PC and their PC alone and will always ruin other PCs moments since they do not involve them somehow.
Yeah, thinking you should get all the loot because only you can “use it right” is main character syndrome for sure. That’s like arguing that a Paladin doesn’t need magic weapons or healing potions because their smite and lay on hands should be enough for dealing damage and healing. I’m sure Aladin would lose his mind hearing that.
@@lootgoblinmarketplace Of course, because it would disadvantage him. The other players could have their PCs utterly hamstringed but as long as he wasn't, he could care less; hell probably do a reverse of that other Paladin and tell the others to "stop whining"...
I dare say that the cleric doing the coup do grace made me howl. If these guys weren't friends before and after then it would be a different matter, but it is clarified a few times that they are so this just feels like light hearted stupidity to me
Depends on the DM's additude, evidently randomly trusting mercinaries attacking who they claimed to be criminals is what I should've done differently to maintain my oath.
@@NotMyRealName6 Paladin has to knowingly commit an act that breaks his oath AND not be currently under mind-altering effects forced upon him by hostile action. If the latter is true, make the power loss temporary.
9:09 I was going to call out the missed opportunity to call Raladin "Irrelevant" but I was pleasantly surprised that two other players had the same thought.
The way I play paladins or any character with a strong moral compass is to have them be pragmatic. They are on a mission from their god to defeat evil and save the realm (or whatever the plot of the campaign is). That is their main objective, not to right every single wrong, no matter how small. They need allies to aid them in this quest, and the party is strong and capable. They turn a blind eye to the Rogue stealing from a merchant or breaking into a property, because they believe that it's more important to keep the party together and face the real threat. Starting a fight or breaking up the group over something minor won't serve the greater good. Maybe they go and reimburse the merchant later. Or try to influence the Rogue to be a better person, seeing that despite their flaws, they might still be a good person deep down. IMO it works well and if you play a paladin like this, they come across as more stoic and noble, than if they have a hair trigger temper and start throwing a fit everytime someone does something even slightly naughty.
For me I always picture it like Diablo 2 necromancers, they arent nice people but they made a oath to defend the world and will not stop intill they achieved the balance. Also for me, I dont think a Paladin should be stripped of their power because the rogue stole some gold or the orcs "could of been" talked down from murdering captured humans. Only when the Paladin does something awful like willingly murder innocent to draw out the foe, use his presence to threaten allies for support or do a doctor strange in time runs out.
@@KopperNeoman The point i was trying to say is, depending on how your players and DM are, they can make almost anything "break" your oath. It bound to be a crap shoot with the type of people who seem to play DnD. But assuming you got normal people whp understand morals, ya your paladin should try to be reasonable and steal the gold from bandits for his armor. 😂
Paladin horror stories always manage to piss me off super hard because 90% of the time it's because the player doesn't understand the thematic reason for their existence and use them to play out their own personal power fantasies and the other 10% is the GM going waaaaay too far to give them adversity for the sake of falling shenanigans. I'd rather deal with 10 "chaotic neutral lolsorandumb" rogues who insist that it's just what their character would do when they're nothing but antagonistic to everyone and everything than a single paladin who thinks it's never a warcrime because they've got a special connection to their god
@johndunn1625 The other paladin horror story that I honestly hope Goblin covers is the one of Tormond. A story of a Dragonborn paladin that's so hellbent on the "pursuit of justice" that he refuses to retreat and gets his party TPK'd. Then blames the DM just because his decisions had consequences.
@@lootgoblinmarketplaceit was never about lawful stupid since 5e. That shit was a part of AD&D and it should have died there when that edition did. It's more about the oath and their relationship with it than grasping at power and choking it out. That oath was taken to acquire abilities to fulfill that oath to the fullest. Be it reckless revenge or benevolent crusade against demons, the Paladin is the role model of society. Unless you're a weirdo and main Oathbreaker. Which arguably speaking, Aladdin SHOULD have been one considering it was hinted that he broke his oath to commit those crimes with that "are you sure?" From the DM.
@@littlegiantj8761 In polytheistic worlds (like D&D) you need to prove that the god in question is righteous first. And then right and wrong become subjective and it's a whole big mess. I thank God we don't live in a world with gods!
We did stuff like this all the time. My younger cousin cursed me because i insulated her in game. I stayed cursed for 6 sessions and i got her killed because of it. My charisma got so low from my rotting flesh that people treated me like an undead and i kept calling her master. Good times.
Once in the original AD&D the DM let me play as an Orc Barbarian (not half orc) and I acted exactly like Tolkien style Orcs do - chaotic - but I was also totally fiercely loyal to my tribe (the party). So we capture a Goblin and I offer to extract the information we needed if they left me alone with the Goblin for 5 minutes witha Potato. The Paladin argues she was not going to let me torture a Goblin to death with a Potato and I come back with a series of questions - Are Goblins Evil creatures - Yes - You are sworn to protect people from Evil - Yes - Then wouldn't NOT letting me torture the Goblin to get the information to save lots of people from a Horde of Goblins be an Evil Act ... ??? ... Well? Meanwhile the DM is trying not to laugh while describing the Goblin ties up and sweating while The Paladin and I played Good Cop /Bad Cop. She knew what I was doing and I knew what she was doing but the Goblin didn't. The Goblin not surprisingly spilled his guts and begged not to be tortured with a Potato. Afterwards the DM asked what exactly I was going to do with the Potato ... I said I had no idea but whatever it was wasn't going t be as bad as the Goblin imagined. Our Paladin understood the concept of the greater good and also of deception being fine against the forces of Evil ... too many people who play Paladin's simply dont get that you can be both Lawful and Good but still embrace a few shades of grey here and there and act like it's Superman and his dont kill vow and become all morally superior.
I have a lawful good Paladin who goes by what she believes is morally just, not necessarily legally just. I feel like most people see "Lawful" and assume it's automatically someone who has to follow the law to a T. I argue those kinds of characters are usually more neutral or even evil at times.
For me, i think the only thing that you shouldnt break is willingly do a crime and murder innocent. My character likes to disarm and render foes unable to attack.
Now I want to make a ranger named "Anger".... It couldve been a funny RP moment if he introduced himself as "Aladin the Paladin", they pointed out his name, and he went "......huh! I never noticed that before." Or something amusing/endearing
For as annoying as the paladin in the story was, the introduction was comedic gold. His parents sound like straight up villains for naming him that then immediately sending him away to a paladin order.
After the first incident, I'm not asking the player to return. After TWO incidents, my response sure as hell isn't "roll up a new character." That kind of behavior is chronic and is not something I'm willing to put up with.
@@addison_v_ertisement1678 Victim blaming? If you keep having some guy shit in your yard, and get mad about it the 3rd time, it’s your fault for not doing anything the first time.
@@IamtheSpy2005 Or maybe it's the yard-shitters fault, because there wouldn't be any shit in the yard if it weren't for him. It's so weird how you will blame the victim of the crime instead of the people committing those crimes.
The most irritating part about this story is that you could easily play a Paladin as a zealous Knight Templar who is willing to commit crimes to enforce his own narrow-minded sense of "justice" without it being annoying. This player absolutely did _not_ play that, but it can work if done right.
Usually as a lawful good player I tend to have the character instead try to redeem the player characters in a "I believe in you" sense, less a permissive of evil acts and more a "wholesomely naïve" character. Since the players to be more neutral or chaotic good there's more wiggle room, (Also a cool DM had it also work on one of the villain's generals).
I was lawful stupid with a paladin once early in my playing of DnD (well, this specific game was Pathfinder) I got my entire party arrested for breaking and entering, because the whole situation hadn’t been explained to my character and he didn’t realize they were breaking into what was basically the mafia’s base. When my character found that out he took it upon himself to act as the rest of the party’s defense attorney in court, which thankfully was trial by combat between the two attorney’s and he won, getting his party out of trouble.
Idk why but i am picturing a fully decked out Paladin doing something "crazy" like doing thr chicken raising minigame in Majora's Mask, working at a adventurer themed tavern or making drinks. Somethinv not illegal just like instantly look at them and "w h y?"
I would say, Aladin might be fine for 1-shots or short campaigns where people are not taking it as seriously, but he sounds like the kind of player that just wants to play GTA.
Paladin: “Money lending is evil” My reply would be: “Greed is evil. It’s literally a sin in every conceivable way. You want us to give you our share of the money we ALL earned so YOU can get plate armour and the rest of us get nothing in return, does that sound like something a good person would do?” Paladin: “bu- I- umm- no….” Everyone: “then shut the fuck up, ‘lawful good’ my ass” Issue resolved before it ever fully took root. Just give the guy something to think about and learn from, potentially reduces future outbursts by making them consider whether what they’re gonna say is actually lawful good or just plain stupid.
You act out that conversation but I wouldn't be surprised if this group tried that, the paladin would've just pulled some BS out of their arse to excuse the contradiction.
@lootgoblinmarketplace Dude, I've honestly enjoyed all your readings. But yeah. I remember first hearing the story from Den of the Drake. Heard a few other takes, and honestly had wondered when you'd do it. Well worth the wait.
Money lending is consider sinful by Christianity but, that is only lending WITH interest, which Op did not mention charging. So Aladin is just mad the party didn't give him the entire reward and the audacity of 'owing something'.
@@Antimatter_raygood thing I never charge interest, just break legs until I'm paid the full amount. Maybe that's why less people accept bets from me now a days...
@@Antimatter_raythe Bible doesn't say that charging interest is a sin. Lol. For example, there's the parable of the talents. The servant who was given 1 talent was rebuked for just burying the talent instead of taking it to the money lenders and gaining interest on it.
I agree. This is more lighthearted than most stories because there wasn’t any maliciousness towards the players (just some character issues), just an annoying friend at times. Glad they resurrected the dog instead of his orc!
It's really funny that the parents named the first son "Aladin the paladin" cause they wanted their son to become a paladin, cause it implies that they named their second son "Raladin" fully aware that that son is gonna lead a life of crime and become a rogue. What kind of parents??
I'm currently playing a Chaotic Good Oath of Ancients Paladin in one of my games and I am having to REALLY lean into that 'chaotic' and Fey parts of the class a lot because the party is a bit...well, sticky fingered to put it mildly. Thankfully, the DM is pretty chill because there have been a few times where, if my Paladin hadnt left the room, I'm pretty sure I'd have broken my oath.
That’s why it’s called Lawful Stupid (because it isn’t actually lawful, it’s just stupid). The man thinks he is above the law because he is a Paladin and doesn’t have to respect the law because only their Oath matters. It eventually devolves into them simply saying I am good and if you oppose me your are bad, so I’m allowed to be even worse than you to defeat you (because obviously I’m the good guy). It’s kind of a funny circular logic that I see newer (or more stubborn) Paladin players fall into during these horror stories.
@@lootgoblinmarketplaceThe problem is if you are old enough lawful stupid just means lawful good where the character forces this on other players…which is stupid. In AD&D and 2nd there were direct rules requiring this behavior. And it was stupid and disruptive. I am guessing this just is being used differently now!
@@lootgoblinmarketplace That's... literally the opposite of lawful stupid. Lawful stupid is unyielding devoted to law, in incredibly dumb ways, not someone who ignores it.
"it's just a game, it's not worth it to cut ties with friends and family" cutting ties permanently, no... the group not talking to them for a while, definitely that's how ppl learn about consequences: fall on your face, then pick yourself up rolling with the punches is a good thing, but doing it too much tells them they can keep doing it with impunity (which is a particularly bad idea during formative years, which is why we get so many horror stories even from adults: it's ppl who didn't learn when they should have, and now it's that much harder to change) to expand: screwing around is one thing, but someone using the group for their own amusement while taking away from everyone else IS reason to (at least temporarily) "cut ties" with them, because if they act like that in a game, why would you trust them not to be just as selfish and underhanded in some situations irl... this story wasn't a RP in character problem, it was them showing their actual character that said, as a group of teens, it's expected for everyone to screw up and use that opportunity to grow up, that's why "cutting ties" usually isn't permanent (well, how permanent it ends up being is up to the offender), so in this case it would be a nudge so they wake up and realize the group isn't there to amuse one main character my teen years group had lesser versions of this issue a couple of times, and we quickly learned not let it get to a poing where it ruins the campaign, out of respect for the DM's effort and everyone else's fun... after all, it might be "just a game", but the time spent on it is real and soured moods aren't irrelevant
@@jbriggs06 i assume you're quoting that part specifically and saying "no" because you think i'm saying the RP is a base to judge someone, but you seem to not have noticed when i said immediately after "this story wasn't a RP in character problem, it was them showing their actual character" meaning, i'm not judging their RP, i'm judging their REASON to RP that way, which comes from outside of the game, it's their "character" as in their personality
@@NotSuperSerious lmao mf you said it immediately after but assume I didn't notice?? Stop coping... you could ask me to elaborate instead of assuming such a cope. You might sabotage a game because you view games as not serious or see it as a practical joke... it doesn't mean this behavior will come out irl when they are serious.
@@jbriggs06 yes i could ask, but YOU assumed 1st... you assumed what you are talking about is SO obvious you don't need to elaborate, and now you act all superior while insulting someone who was just clarifying their point
I love how the DM here made the problem player's arguments and fights the whole party's problem, and only when he gave the choice to the party did the problem player get punished. I get once or twice the consequences trickle down to the whole team, but if it's a constant issue, as a DM, you shouldn't keep punishing innocent players because someone keeps acting in bad faith. Like, arguably, the other players had to deal with the consequences more that this guy ever did for his own stupid decisions. Like seriously, if one of your players thinks a party member is so bad, they make a contingency plan for them AND IT ACUTALLY BECOMES RELEVANT, maybe you should rethink your strategy as a DM.
@@AmaryInkawult I have no reason to assume he didn't know what actually happened. His reaction just screams trolling jerk rather than an innocent tricked into helping.
Only new paladins will play a session and not allow their character some level of plausible deniability. You will be torture to play with if you don't.
This sounds simultaneously horrible and funny, at the very least you can tell they're all close enough to not be too cheesed off by it and it was all in good fun.
I have a player in the game I'm DMing who is playing a rhyming scheme family of Goblins, this type of character can be done super well if he actually just made them real people instead of joke characters
Imo them people kinda deserved to be milked if they are begging to be milked. Doe that a forsaken rogue from wow level of idea. 😂 But seriously, i get it "fiction" but i literally had people try to fight me irl for not hating say the Brotherhood in Fallout 4 blindly. 😂 It funny how all their critiques like fade away once you say "how many super mutants and ghouls you kill in games"
this is why i always take these horror stories with a grain of salt: one perspective doesn't tell the whole story they were alone, so who knows what he told the cleric to get him on his side... from his behavior i can bet he would never talk about the obnoxious things he did to deserve that "BetRaYal"
What makes no sense to me is how everyone says “CUT THIS GUY OFF HES A JERK” and this guy is obviously just taking the piss, yeah he’s an annoying troll, but when you have a guy named Aladdin the Paladin, and Raladin the Rouge, it should be pretty dang obvious.
My Chaotic good paladin just gets drunk every time were in town so the monk/rouge and bard can go do their shady shit and i just dont get any of the cut. win win, i am in their debt cause i am a poor and i dont ruin their fun whilst still being a good guy.
I see this as an opportunity to play a comedy paladin character. One that endlessly engages in evil or immoral acts with the logic of good. “ I just slept with several women of the night so good men can’t be tempted! “
Usury (lending money with interest) used to be banned in Christianity. It wasn't banned in Judaism. That's where the stereotype of Jews being greedy came from. Check out Shakespeare's "The Merchant of Venice" for a good example.
Cries about laladin believing money lending being evil is antisemitic. He's this close to understanding. You have the puzzle pieces goblin just put them together.
this backstory is so stupid... that it is even kinda genious story of dumbest family where they never bother to call own child properly or just even take care of him as the other child that both are just lawful stupid, and other is chaotic stupid
wow. 1st story... i hope that first guy... RL... has a brain transplant soon... because the one he was born with? factory. effing. RECALL that thing! defective! ok, 2nd story. OP wrote this all wrong... from the opening, OP should have mentioned they're all a gaggle of neighborhood boys in gradeschool. THAT would have flavored the mis-adventures of the 'aladin' family with a MUCH different palate of spices. 3rd story, y'all left the twisted SOB alone, in the basement, with the new guy just in town after a year being gone from your RL friends' group... to make his character up... who probably won't stick around anymore than his parents' short-visit? ughhh... Monk not suspicious ENOUGH for a LONG period of time. 4th story, yeah... totally the DM's fault. during the character creation phase... look at sheet, look at other sheets, points at orc... 'erase this and fix it.' player says no? DM shrugs, rips up sheet. 'you're dead. no resurrect. no healing. no godly intervention. you're dead. make a new character with the following, other than what i specifically tell you? those are yours to choose.' \shrug/ this is why the DM is present during character creation phase. 'The Plot' they're thinking of needs various elements, if suggestion and hints and deal-making doesn't work? rip up the sheet(s) of contention and start all over again.
I think a lot of the problems with lawful good paladin players would be solved if instead of lawful good they switch to lawful evil and had their character emulate a Warhammer Space Marine. Most bad “lawful good” players just use their alignment to justify doing anything and everything they want anyways, it’d at least be more interesting if they made a character who THINKS they’re lawful good, but is actually lawful evil based on their actions. Then you get the benefits of playing as an absolutist zealot without the headache of needing to pretend to be good
Well the last one was rather funny in some extent. Guess he thought to pull the comedic relief by being bone headed ork who solves everything with violence if it didnt talk in orkish. I guess he would just done the same to evil overlord as well and not going to lie it would been funny if he had some magical how managed to kill him and take his position...but alas the DM likely saw where this was going and put the henchmen in place to stop the tomfoolery.
@@Sweetlesishere Yeah, this is the "Orcs are black people!" crowd. I'm sure if you asked them they could find a character/species that is allegedly antisemitic according to _their_ strangely specific definition of antisemitism.
To be honest I was kind of rooting for (R)aladin on this one! Listening to the interactions he was actually the only one who really *roleplayed* his character. The other group members were clearly arguing against the player through their characters, not the character. Like how they'd say that "I've only known you for three days so I'm not gonna give you my money" which clearly sounds like the player is trying to justify his character to the player. If someone I didn't know for more than a couple of days asked me for money I'd just say "Hell naw brother, I don't owe you jack." Not only that but they really took that stuff personally, and felt like punishing the player Out Of Character for things he did In Game, which I think is more problematic than anything else here. It's game and should be considered as such. We had a player like this who would make goofy or annyoing characters in-game, but those actually ended up making some of the fondest and funniest memories for us as a group when he'd get us is trouble, or when we'd kick is ass in return. Burying a party-member who turned against you shouldn't be something that pisses people at the table. it should be an experience that the characters had to live through. Admittedly (R)aladin may have taken it a stretch too far, but from what I heard in this story, he was antagonized by everyone at the table from the start for his playstyle, and not a single player seemed to take his character seriously in game. Call his backstories silly if you will, but bro actually committed and played true to his lawful-stupid and chaotic-stupid characters.
I will say he is super lighthearted in terms of being a “problem player”. I think he was just trying to mess with his friends at times based on the Orc story and how he tried to “get his revenge” in two different stories. I wish more stories on this channel was a person whose character only did things to the other characters. I’m so used to stories where a player punishes another player for actions characters took in game.
@@lootgoblinmarketplace Yeah, definitely. In-game squabbles can even be fun if you really let yourself engage with them. Take it out of the game and that's when you start having problems. It's one of the cardinal sins a roleplayer can do. We do discuss the things that happen in campaigns, but I don't think anyone has ever felt personally offended for what someone else's character did. Then again this group seemed a bit younger than ours when we started playing D&D.
(R)aladin took it way too far. There's a line between playing your character and just being a nuisance. A lawful good character is not going to traffic in tainted drugs without breaking their oath either. A more seasoned DM would have quashed (R)aladins bs way earlier and there wouldnt have been an issue.
Ah crap, not Aladin... Really do wish the DM went 'no, I refuse, screw you and the horse you rode in on on an actual giant screw, both Aladin and Cameo's characters are smote into oblivion with no chance of resurrection by the god the Cleric claims to worship, who confirms said cleric and Aladin gave his followers a bad name, apologises for all this nonsense and heals the Monk'.
Aladin, you sound like a good pally to enjoy a game with instead of OP and their whiny group who from the start actively bullied the paladin with his name and his backstory. OP definitely was salty by their entire story description and the words they use to define the paladin. All they had to do was give him his armor and then they would have been fine but instead they chose to actively push the paladin away and isolate him so he became salty right back at them. Fully on Pallys side.
I think I agree. Dude sounded like a dick in character. But if the guy is a friendly dude in real life and is a trolling character in the game, that doesn’t speak about his whole character. Monk kinda sounded like a dick with the “be prepared to strike while sleeping”. You can’t attack when you’re asleep.
Me personally Paladin just pissed everyone off with his antics and brought zero snacks to bribe. 😂 Also it wasnt stated how long it was before the Paladin tried to merc Monk. I am pretty sure the first class that mostly mediates daily and seek to control their body can pretend to be asleep for a while.
This is why I never bring anyone with strong convictions into a D&D party. It just doesn't work when every party I've played in is 90% chaotic evil. I'd love to play in a party with more generic good, kind-natured PCs.
I was lucky where most my players tended to lean naturally towards good. Every once in a while someone wanted to play like it was GTA and just cause havoc, but those players never stuck around for the majority of the campaign. These same kind players genuinely feel bad whenever they try to play an evil party in Baldur’s Gate 3 and just reset to play a good party.
That comment in the beginning sounds like *horrible* advice... Experienced players know to just not have thier lawful characters present when lawbreaking happens? What? This is a great video but what is that precedent? Unless you're playing a moron on purpose they are still gonna know the party did it, thus creating the same character conflict, and any competent players I've been with, with lawful characters, just have them come to terms with how the violation of the law was just necessary and it's important to look the other way, or even participate, even if you disagree personally. Obviously for major stuff it can cause genuine party conflicts and break parties but it sounds like you're also describing lawful stupid, jus don't have your characters be manchildren who see all violations of law as equally terrible. Lawful characters can be *personally* against lawbreaking while not policing the party in the same way as a party can tolerate an annoying bard or a barbarian who's rough social graces create problems, bypassing how stupid your character is by just vanishing from the game whenever the party commits a crime is just as cringe as a high-horse character who stops the party from any crime.
3:29 Definitely not antisemetic lol. The only time Jesus turns to violence is when he chases money lenders (who were preying upon poor folks) out of the church. It's only the second or third best known bible story, right after the great flood and Moses parting the seas. People who tout themselves as forces of justice always jump to assumptions and name calling. 😂😂😂
I have, on numerous occasions, rolled up a vanilla Human Paladin named Percival the Merciful. In one iteration, the subject arose of my family. and I mentioned my sister, who was also a holy warrior, named Malledine (pronounced like Madeline, but with obvious differences). I tried to keep my poker face, desperately hoping someone would remark. Nobody did.
Honestly Aladin doesn't seem that bad. They seem funnier and better spirited than most horror story people. Though still behaving a bit poorly I dont think the way he played Aladin the Paladin was all that bad. You can refuse to go into combat with your paladin if you want. You can disagree with him there's nothing wrong with him being stupid in the way he is. The way he played Raladin though was uncalled for. However I dont really think he did anything wrong as a Paladin. Like I'll go into games where nobody wants to RP and everyone is working toward the goal like robots and it's really boring and upsetting. Someone who can create drama is fine. Especially since the drama he created is honestly not that bad. Trying to Coup de grace a fellow player is dumb and you probably shouldn't and as a DM i'd just tell you to fuck off.
Idk why but he reminds me of the crit crab one where "we just want to save the world and not be trap in a lame moral issue and let the bad guy dominate us.
I'm ok with Aladin the Paladin actually... scamming criminals sounds like fun and an excuse for the dm to kidnap players and the party to launch rescue missions? Maybe talk about it beforehand but meh... you guys sound no fun... when does a campaign ever get encounters with the drug mafia in d&d? That could've been a dope thing to keep lookout for in towns. edit: his other characters should have gotten him kicked tho...
money lending is considered evil in alot of world religions not only in christianity but also in islam buddhism and many others but only when interest is charged on it because it's being seen as exploiting the poor and desperate for profit
Wait a minute... Imagine if the Paladin made "healing" drugs that fixed the druggies and prevented them from getting hooked on anything stronger then soda. 😂
That would be funny and fit with "Drug dealing Paladin" 😂
Honestly, a “Paladin named Aladin who was named that because his parents were bards who abandoned their son to a paladin order who can’t change his name because of the beliefs the people who actually raised him live by” sounds like a fun character.
And his parents being "true neutral" sounds like a fun character for a non serious campaign. Maybe have Aladin be an antagonist in that story too as a crazy person who thinks he's lawful good but is actually chaotic evil
maybe he was left with only the name and everyone assumed he would become a paladin, so he gave in to what he assumed was the inevitable
edit: raladin, meanwhile, defies his fate. the two grow up with no knowledge of one another, but immediately assume they are brothers when they they first meet, because they cannot imagine two setsof parents cruel enough to bestow that name.
I kinda kept getting the feeling that he was trying really hard to be funny, but it wasn’t working. Honestly this sounds like shenanigans my friends and I have gotten into, but not everyone is engaged/okay with it.
Aladin would honestly make for a fantastic antagonist/rival character. He's so sure of himself and his antics would be hilarious from a different angle. Dude keeps getting used by BBEGs who capitalize on his... lacking intelligence but never seems to realize that his 'fight for good' is literally always just wrong.
Like this dude sucks to play with, but to play against? I'd love it.
It was all a misunderstanding
His appointment wasn't "lawful stupid". He was firmly centered into "true stupid"
True stupid, now that’s a great term. I should have said that over regular stupid
look, im currently a first time dm, but about 5 minutes in i’d just tell the paladin. ‘you’ve broken your oath, and your powers are removed. You’re a normal criminal now with no devotion to anything. Good luck!’
Remove spell casting and features and offer an opportunity to restore their oath, or do something like bg3 where you give them some sorta oath breaker subclass
Which is exactly how you get people to view you as a terrible dm.
@@MushyLizard If that shitheads tells the story noone in their right mind will think that. So it'll just keep idiots like Aladin away from you and your party, so a win-win
@@MushyLizardonly if you're a terrible player. This is exactly what you would do to break your oath.
@@AmazingAutist He never specified "terrible player" just a paladin player in general.
The "We resurrect the dog" line is just amazing
what a wonderful slap in the face
I once played a permadad paladin, he let everyone do whatever they wanted, but came with some heals and a life lesson if it failed, or a fistbump if they succeeded
Aladin the Paladin's player just reeks of Main Character Syndrome, he clearly thinks the world revolves around him, and thus any action he does is correct and any action against him is pure evil, and everyone else are just NPCs that should feel honored he "allows them to live in my world". Guys like this will never work in a DnD party, they think the story is about their PC and their PC alone and will always ruin other PCs moments since they do not involve them somehow.
Yeah, thinking you should get all the loot because only you can “use it right” is main character syndrome for sure. That’s like arguing that a Paladin doesn’t need magic weapons or healing potions because their smite and lay on hands should be enough for dealing damage and healing. I’m sure Aladin would lose his mind hearing that.
@@lootgoblinmarketplace Of course, because it would disadvantage him. The other players could have their PCs utterly hamstringed but as long as he wasn't, he could care less; hell probably do a reverse of that other Paladin and tell the others to "stop whining"...
I dare say that the cleric doing the coup do grace made me howl. If these guys weren't friends before and after then it would be a different matter, but it is clarified a few times that they are so this just feels like light hearted stupidity to me
And this is why I expect all paladins to give me their _exact_ oaths in their backstories, so that I know what does or does not break it.
Depends on the DM's additude, evidently randomly trusting mercinaries attacking who they claimed to be criminals is what I should've done differently to maintain my oath.
@duck_entertainment I'd add the caveat that the paladin has to _knowingly_ commit an act that breaks their oath.
@@NotMyRealName6 Dudes were like “Help us out will ya? These guys are criminals.”
“Yeah you got a source?”
@@NotMyRealName6 Paladin has to knowingly commit an act that breaks his oath AND not be currently under mind-altering effects forced upon him by hostile action. If the latter is true, make the power loss temporary.
@KopperNeoman In that case, it would only last until the paladin's mind is clear.
9:09 I was going to call out the missed opportunity to call Raladin "Irrelevant" but I was pleasantly surprised that two other players had the same thought.
The way I play paladins or any character with a strong moral compass is to have them be pragmatic. They are on a mission from their god to defeat evil and save the realm (or whatever the plot of the campaign is). That is their main objective, not to right every single wrong, no matter how small.
They need allies to aid them in this quest, and the party is strong and capable. They turn a blind eye to the Rogue stealing from a merchant or breaking into a property, because they believe that it's more important to keep the party together and face the real threat. Starting a fight or breaking up the group over something minor won't serve the greater good.
Maybe they go and reimburse the merchant later. Or try to influence the Rogue to be a better person, seeing that despite their flaws, they might still be a good person deep down.
IMO it works well and if you play a paladin like this, they come across as more stoic and noble, than if they have a hair trigger temper and start throwing a fit everytime someone does something even slightly naughty.
For me I always picture it like Diablo 2 necromancers, they arent nice people but they made a oath to defend the world and will not stop intill they achieved the balance.
Also for me, I dont think a Paladin should be stripped of their power because the rogue stole some gold or the orcs "could of been" talked down from murdering captured humans. Only when the Paladin does something awful like willingly murder innocent to draw out the foe, use his presence to threaten allies for support or do a doctor strange in time runs out.
@@Subject_Keter Pally should have SOME obligation of he catches the Thief nicking gold. Maybe it should start with a talking-to.
@@KopperNeoman The point i was trying to say is, depending on how your players and DM are, they can make almost anything "break" your oath.
It bound to be a crap shoot with the type of people who seem to play DnD.
But assuming you got normal people whp understand morals, ya your paladin should try to be reasonable and steal the gold from bandits for his armor. 😂
Paladin horror stories always manage to piss me off super hard because 90% of the time it's because the player doesn't understand the thematic reason for their existence and use them to play out their own personal power fantasies and the other 10% is the GM going waaaaay too far to give them adversity for the sake of falling shenanigans.
I'd rather deal with 10 "chaotic neutral lolsorandumb" rogues who insist that it's just what their character would do when they're nothing but antagonistic to everyone and everything than a single paladin who thinks it's never a warcrime because they've got a special connection to their god
I agree, I really don’t get how so many people misunderstand the Paladin!
@johndunn1625 The other paladin horror story that I honestly hope Goblin covers is the one of Tormond. A story of a Dragonborn paladin that's so hellbent on the "pursuit of justice" that he refuses to retreat and gets his party TPK'd. Then blames the DM just because his decisions had consequences.
@@lootgoblinmarketplaceit was never about lawful stupid since 5e. That shit was a part of AD&D and it should have died there when that edition did. It's more about the oath and their relationship with it than grasping at power and choking it out. That oath was taken to acquire abilities to fulfill that oath to the fullest. Be it reckless revenge or benevolent crusade against demons, the Paladin is the role model of society. Unless you're a weirdo and main Oathbreaker. Which arguably speaking, Aladdin SHOULD have been one considering it was hinted that he broke his oath to commit those crimes with that "are you sure?" From the DM.
"...a single Paladin who thinks it's never a war crime because they have a special connection to their god"
[Sanctified With Dynamite intensifies]
@@littlegiantj8761 In polytheistic worlds (like D&D) you need to prove that the god in question is righteous first. And then right and wrong become subjective and it's a whole big mess.
I thank God we don't live in a world with gods!
17:10
The amount of air that left my lungs from gasping from this plot twist…
Close enough, welcome back CritCrab
Haha, that’s high praise in my book!
22:55 okay that ending story was so awesome LMAO
We did stuff like this all the time. My younger cousin cursed me because i insulated her in game. I stayed cursed for 6 sessions and i got her killed because of it. My charisma got so low from my rotting flesh that people treated me like an undead and i kept calling her master. Good times.
Once in the original AD&D the DM let me play as an Orc Barbarian (not half orc) and I acted exactly like Tolkien style Orcs do - chaotic - but I was also totally fiercely loyal to my tribe (the party). So we capture a Goblin and I offer to extract the information we needed if they left me alone with the Goblin for 5 minutes witha Potato. The Paladin argues she was not going to let me torture a Goblin to death with a Potato and I come back with a series of questions - Are Goblins Evil creatures - Yes - You are sworn to protect people from Evil - Yes - Then wouldn't NOT letting me torture the Goblin to get the information to save lots of people from a Horde of Goblins be an Evil Act ... ??? ... Well? Meanwhile the DM is trying not to laugh while describing the Goblin ties up and sweating while The Paladin and I played Good Cop /Bad Cop. She knew what I was doing and I knew what she was doing but the Goblin didn't. The Goblin not surprisingly spilled his guts and begged not to be tortured with a Potato. Afterwards the DM asked what exactly I was going to do with the Potato ... I said I had no idea but whatever it was wasn't going t be as bad as the Goblin imagined. Our Paladin understood the concept of the greater good and also of deception being fine against the forces of Evil ... too many people who play Paladin's simply dont get that you can be both Lawful and Good but still embrace a few shades of grey here and there and act like it's Superman and his dont kill vow and become all morally superior.
I have a lawful good Paladin who goes by what she believes is morally just, not necessarily legally just. I feel like most people see "Lawful" and assume it's automatically someone who has to follow the law to a T. I argue those kinds of characters are usually more neutral or even evil at times.
For me, i think the only thing that you shouldnt break is willingly do a crime and murder innocent.
My character likes to disarm and render foes unable to attack.
I was laughing my ass off about Raladin's antics, lmao.
Now I want to make a ranger named "Anger"....
It couldve been a funny RP moment if he introduced himself as "Aladin the Paladin", they pointed out his name, and he went "......huh! I never noticed that before." Or something amusing/endearing
For as annoying as the paladin in the story was, the introduction was comedic gold. His parents sound like straight up villains for naming him that then immediately sending him away to a paladin order.
After the first incident, I'm not asking the player to return. After TWO incidents, my response sure as hell isn't "roll up a new character." That kind of behavior is chronic and is not something I'm willing to put up with.
Definitely, this was on the DM for not cutting this crap out DAY 1.
@@AmaryInkawultNo, it's on the paladin player, because he kept doing it stop victim blaming.
It’s on the edgy dorky teenage boy this story revolves around.
He’s an adult now. In case you didn’t listen.
@@addison_v_ertisement1678
Victim blaming? If you keep having some guy shit in your yard, and get mad about it the 3rd time, it’s your fault for not doing anything the first time.
@@IamtheSpy2005 Or maybe it's the yard-shitters fault, because there wouldn't be any shit in the yard if it weren't for him. It's so weird how you will blame the victim of the crime instead of the people committing those crimes.
“I don’t understand you. I charge.” Lmao I’m dead
Hahaha “we resurrect the dog” is awesome!
The most irritating part about this story is that you could easily play a Paladin as a zealous Knight Templar who is willing to commit crimes to enforce his own narrow-minded sense of "justice" without it being annoying. This player absolutely did _not_ play that, but it can work if done right.
Im a quarter of the way through and I love Aladin the Paladin 😂
Usually as a lawful good player I tend to have the character instead try to redeem the player characters in a "I believe in you" sense, less a permissive of evil acts and more a "wholesomely naïve" character. Since the players to be more neutral or chaotic good there's more wiggle room, (Also a cool DM had it also work on one of the villain's generals).
I was lawful stupid with a paladin once early in my playing of DnD (well, this specific game was Pathfinder) I got my entire party arrested for breaking and entering, because the whole situation hadn’t been explained to my character and he didn’t realize they were breaking into what was basically the mafia’s base.
When my character found that out he took it upon himself to act as the rest of the party’s defense attorney in court, which thankfully was trial by combat between the two attorney’s and he won, getting his party out of trouble.
Less "Lawful Stupid" and more "maybe tell the Paladin why the Thief is picking that lock."
My lawful good paladin is willing to do a few questionable things as long as it is in the service of doing the right thing.
Idk why but i am picturing a fully decked out Paladin doing something "crazy" like doing thr chicken raising minigame in Majora's Mask, working at a adventurer themed tavern or making drinks.
Somethinv not illegal just like instantly look at them and "w h y?"
Ork had *A* point, rolling stats is way more fun (que a really buff wizard with 2 intelligence)
Wouldn't you roll stats and then pick your class?
3:27 Based.
I would say, Aladin might be fine for 1-shots or short campaigns where people are not taking it as seriously, but he sounds like the kind of player that just wants to play GTA.
Paladin: “Money lending is evil”
My reply would be: “Greed is evil. It’s literally a sin in every conceivable way. You want us to give you our share of the money we ALL earned so YOU can get plate armour and the rest of us get nothing in return, does that sound like something a good person would do?”
Paladin: “bu- I- umm- no….”
Everyone: “then shut the fuck up, ‘lawful good’ my ass”
Issue resolved before it ever fully took root. Just give the guy something to think about and learn from, potentially reduces future outbursts by making them consider whether what they’re gonna say is actually lawful good or just plain stupid.
Also, his God will only let him take money from people IF HE DOESN'T PAY THEM BACK? Cuz he seems fine morally with taking the party's money.
You act out that conversation but I wouldn't be surprised if this group tried that, the paladin would've just pulled some BS out of their arse to excuse the contradiction.
This one really made me me laugh. Great video
Oh my god, you're covering Aladin! Nice! It's perhaps my favorite of the horror stories.
Hope you enjoyed my take on it! It’s a story I’ve seen all over and one of my favorites too!
@lootgoblinmarketplace Dude, I've honestly enjoyed all your readings.
But yeah. I remember first hearing the story from Den of the Drake. Heard a few other takes, and honestly had wondered when you'd do it. Well worth the wait.
Money lending is consider sinful by Christianity but, that is only lending WITH interest, which Op did not mention charging. So Aladin is just mad the party didn't give him the entire reward and the audacity of 'owing something'.
Usury is a dishonest amount of interest not fair interest
@@Sweetlesishere It is any interest ontop of the loan but especially applies for unfair
@@Antimatter_raygood thing I never charge interest, just break legs until I'm paid the full amount. Maybe that's why less people accept bets from me now a days...
@@Antimatter_raythe Bible doesn't say that charging interest is a sin. Lol. For example, there's the parable of the talents. The servant who was given 1 talent was rebuked for just burying the talent instead of taking it to the money lenders and gaining interest on it.
@@dracula3811 Pretty sure you missed the point of that parable.
Honestly this one wasn't that bad, and the ending was just plain funny lol.
i have to admit it was pretty funny
I thought everything after the stupid paladin was funny as hell and wasn't that bad until the dog, no, fuck that.
I agree. This is more lighthearted than most stories because there wasn’t any maliciousness towards the players (just some character issues), just an annoying friend at times. Glad they resurrected the dog instead of his orc!
If the DM was good they would have made them an oathbreaker to teach them a lesson
Hey, a great horror story, can't wait to hear your take on it!!!
It's really funny that the parents named the first son "Aladin the paladin" cause they wanted their son to become a paladin, cause it implies that they named their second son "Raladin" fully aware that that son is gonna lead a life of crime and become a rogue. What kind of parents??
Yeah it’s such a funny piece of backstory that the parents were like intentional leading them towards different classes
I'm currently playing a Chaotic Good Oath of Ancients Paladin in one of my games and I am having to REALLY lean into that 'chaotic' and Fey parts of the class a lot because the party is a bit...well, sticky fingered to put it mildly. Thankfully, the DM is pretty chill because there have been a few times where, if my Paladin hadnt left the room, I'm pretty sure I'd have broken my oath.
Bro this guy was just trolling lmao
Misleading. Insults Lawful players than proceeds to tell a story of a selfish non-lawful paladin.
That’s why it’s called Lawful Stupid (because it isn’t actually lawful, it’s just stupid). The man thinks he is above the law because he is a Paladin and doesn’t have to respect the law because only their Oath matters. It eventually devolves into them simply saying I am good and if you oppose me your are bad, so I’m allowed to be even worse than you to defeat you (because obviously I’m the good guy).
It’s kind of a funny circular logic that I see newer (or more stubborn) Paladin players fall into during these horror stories.
@@lootgoblinmarketplaceThe problem is if you are old enough lawful stupid just means lawful good where the character forces this on other players…which is stupid. In AD&D and 2nd there were direct rules requiring this behavior. And it was stupid and disruptive. I am guessing this just is being used differently now!
No, it's completely accurate for someone claiming lawful good while blatantly being chaotic evil.
@@leodouskyron5671that's why AD&D isn't considered in good memories. Memory holed just like 4th Edition.
@@lootgoblinmarketplace
That's... literally the opposite of lawful stupid.
Lawful stupid is unyielding devoted to law, in incredibly dumb ways, not someone who ignores it.
Aladin the Paladin is one of my favorite trolls.
Yeah, some of these lines are hilarious. Even the name Raladin the Rogue made it clear to me the man is deeply unserious.
@@lootgoblinmarketplace
Hey guys meet our new teammate, Faladin the Fighter!
I’m not even convinced this story actually happened
15 minutes. Never been this early before. Can't wait for the Paladin Cringe!
"it's just a game, it's not worth it to cut ties with friends and family"
cutting ties permanently, no... the group not talking to them for a while, definitely
that's how ppl learn about consequences: fall on your face, then pick yourself up
rolling with the punches is a good thing, but doing it too much tells them they can keep doing it with impunity (which is a particularly bad idea during formative years, which is why we get so many horror stories even from adults: it's ppl who didn't learn when they should have, and now it's that much harder to change)
to expand:
screwing around is one thing, but someone using the group for their own amusement while taking away from everyone else IS reason to (at least temporarily) "cut ties" with them, because if they act like that in a game, why would you trust them not to be just as selfish and underhanded in some situations irl... this story wasn't a RP in character problem, it was them showing their actual character
that said, as a group of teens, it's expected for everyone to screw up and use that opportunity to grow up, that's why "cutting ties" usually isn't permanent (well, how permanent it ends up being is up to the offender), so in this case it would be a nudge so they wake up and realize the group isn't there to amuse one main character
my teen years group had lesser versions of this issue a couple of times, and we quickly learned not let it get to a poing where it ruins the campaign, out of respect for the DM's effort and everyone else's fun... after all, it might be "just a game", but the time spent on it is real and soured moods aren't irrelevant
because if they act like that in a game, why would you trust them not to be just as selfish and underhanded in some situations irl...
no... just no...
@@jbriggs06 i assume you're quoting that part specifically and saying "no" because you think i'm saying the RP is a base to judge someone, but you seem to not have noticed when i said immediately after "this story wasn't a RP in character problem, it was them showing their actual character"
meaning, i'm not judging their RP, i'm judging their REASON to RP that way, which comes from outside of the game, it's their "character" as in their personality
@@NotSuperSerious lmao mf you said it immediately after but assume I didn't notice?? Stop coping... you could ask me to elaborate instead of assuming such a cope. You might sabotage a game because you view games as not serious or see it as a practical joke... it doesn't mean this behavior will come out irl when they are serious.
@@jbriggs06 yes i could ask, but YOU assumed 1st... you assumed what you are talking about is SO obvious you don't need to elaborate, and now you act all superior while insulting someone who was just clarifying their point
@@NotSuperSerious I didn't assume anything lol I said "no... just no" without caring if you understood? Is you cool??
I love how the DM here made the problem player's arguments and fights the whole party's problem, and only when he gave the choice to the party did the problem player get punished. I get once or twice the consequences trickle down to the whole team, but if it's a constant issue, as a DM, you shouldn't keep punishing innocent players because someone keeps acting in bad faith. Like, arguably, the other players had to deal with the consequences more that this guy ever did for his own stupid decisions.
Like seriously, if one of your players thinks a party member is so bad, they make a contingency plan for them AND IT ACUTALLY BECOMES RELEVANT, maybe you should rethink your strategy as a DM.
Sorcerer: *tries to stop Orc from charging everyone to death*
Orc: *charges the Sorcerer's dog to death*
I admit, I lawled
OK, maybe (R)aladin went too far on his vengeance, but that Cleric killing monk will go to top 100 anime betrayals.
I really hate that cleric.
@@ArcCaravanguy was probably only told the rage induced side of the story and not the whole tale.
Definitely doesn't excuse the bullshit, but still. Both are dumb, what did you expect?
@@AmaryInkawult I have no reason to assume he didn't know what actually happened. His reaction just screams trolling jerk rather than an innocent tricked into helping.
Ngl the cleric kill is pretty freakin funny
Only new paladins will play a session and not allow their character some level of plausible deniability. You will be torture to play with if you don't.
I'd honestly stop playing with someone who pulled this shit
we can still be friends doing other things, but I wouldn't sit at a table with them again
This sounds simultaneously horrible and funny, at the very least you can tell they're all close enough to not be too cheesed off by it and it was all in good fun.
I have a player in the game I'm DMing who is playing a rhyming scheme family of Goblins, this type of character can be done super well if he actually just made them real people instead of joke characters
The ridiculously stupid and embarrassing story of Aladin the Paladin. A classic tale of Lawful Stupidity, to be sure
I'd more call it Malicious Stupidity. This was premeditated dumbassery.
"This time they dont take prisoners for some reason"
DM: 😏
Alladin the Paladin 😂😂😂 best ending to a story yet
Honestly, slap lawful evil on the Paladin and tell him to either continue as normal or change games
Aladin could have been cool if he was named Aladdan, but everyone pronounces it wrong so he spells it wrong. Medieval orphan type shit.
Imo them people kinda deserved to be milked if they are begging to be milked.
Doe that a forsaken rogue from wow level of idea. 😂
But seriously, i get it "fiction" but i literally had people try to fight me irl for not hating say the Brotherhood in Fallout 4 blindly. 😂
It funny how all their critiques like fade away once you say "how many super mutants and ghouls you kill in games"
There’s an episode of frasier called Ham radio where Niles does this exact thing lol
It wouldn’t take long before I’d lose respect for the whole group if they didn’t just tell him no
That cleric player REALLY ticks me off, ruining the game for one jerk.
this is why i always take these horror stories with a grain of salt: one perspective doesn't tell the whole story
they were alone, so who knows what he told the cleric to get him on his side...
from his behavior i can bet he would never talk about the obnoxious things he did to deserve that "BetRaYal"
@@NotSuperSerious Two sides to every story only goes so far.
What makes no sense to me is how everyone says “CUT THIS GUY OFF HES A JERK” and this guy is obviously just taking the piss, yeah he’s an annoying troll, but when you have a guy named Aladdin the Paladin, and Raladin the Rouge, it should be pretty dang obvious.
First story is somewhere on the chaotic side of the spectrum. definitely not lawful.
My Chaotic good paladin just gets drunk every time were in town so the monk/rouge and bard can go do their shady shit and i just dont get any of the cut. win win, i am in their debt cause i am a poor and i dont ruin their fun whilst still being a good guy.
in defense of orc, point buy DOES suck.
Not as much as his rolls apparently.
I see this as an opportunity to play a comedy paladin character. One that endlessly engages in evil or immoral acts with the logic of good.
“ I just slept with several women of the night so good men can’t be tempted! “
Aladin -> Aladdin. Usury (making money from interest) is a sin in Islam. He made a dumb joke character.
Why would the author assume that evil money lending is an antisemetic stereotype?
Usury (lending money with interest) used to be banned in Christianity. It wasn't banned in Judaism. That's where the stereotype of Jews being greedy came from. Check out Shakespeare's "The Merchant of Venice" for a good example.
Sucks the DND is so big that idiots like this get in and ruin it for others
Aladin W
4:26 noooooooooo
Cries about laladin believing money lending being evil is antisemitic. He's this close to understanding. You have the puzzle pieces goblin just put them together.
this backstory is so stupid... that it is even kinda genious
story of dumbest family where they never bother to call own child properly or just even take care of him
as the other child
that both are just lawful stupid, and other is chaotic stupid
"Maybe an anti-semitic stereotype'" is quite a guess.
wow. 1st story... i hope that first guy... RL... has a brain transplant soon... because the one he was born with? factory. effing. RECALL that thing! defective!
ok, 2nd story. OP wrote this all wrong... from the opening, OP should have mentioned they're all a gaggle of neighborhood boys in gradeschool. THAT would have flavored the mis-adventures of the 'aladin' family with a MUCH different palate of spices.
3rd story, y'all left the twisted SOB alone, in the basement, with the new guy just in town after a year being gone from your RL friends' group... to make his character up... who probably won't stick around anymore than his parents' short-visit? ughhh... Monk not suspicious ENOUGH for a LONG period of time.
4th story, yeah... totally the DM's fault. during the character creation phase... look at sheet, look at other sheets, points at orc... 'erase this and fix it.' player says no? DM shrugs, rips up sheet. 'you're dead. no resurrect. no healing. no godly intervention. you're dead. make a new character with the following, other than what i specifically tell you? those are yours to choose.' \shrug/ this is why the DM is present during character creation phase. 'The Plot' they're thinking of needs various elements, if suggestion and hints and deal-making doesn't work? rip up the sheet(s) of contention and start all over again.
Yo I got to disagree this was lit as fuck how did he turn a Cameo
I think a lot of the problems with lawful good paladin players would be solved if instead of lawful good they switch to lawful evil and had their character emulate a Warhammer Space Marine. Most bad “lawful good” players just use their alignment to justify doing anything and everything they want anyways, it’d at least be more interesting if they made a character who THINKS they’re lawful good, but is actually lawful evil based on their actions. Then you get the benefits of playing as an absolutist zealot without the headache of needing to pretend to be good
Well the last one was rather funny in some extent. Guess he thought to pull the comedic relief by being bone headed ork who solves everything with violence if it didnt talk in orkish. I guess he would just done the same to evil overlord as well and not going to lie it would been funny if he had some magical how managed to kill him and take his position...but alas the DM likely saw where this was going and put the henchmen in place to stop the tomfoolery.
3:26 money is the root of all evil not necessarily antisemitic …but you thought of it…hmm?
Except the paladin said loans were evil while demanding money, showing money itself isn't evil to him.
@@ArcCaravan except there are no Jews in D&D so it isn’t antisemitic LOL
@@Sweetlesishere Apparently that's the only logic for why loans would be evil to hypocritical paladin who demands money.
@@Sweetlesishere Yeah, this is the "Orcs are black people!" crowd. I'm sure if you asked them they could find a character/species that is allegedly antisemitic according to _their_ strangely specific definition of antisemitism.
@ not really 75 just sounds like you’re making an assumption + racist boogeyman living in your head
I never expected funk legend Cameo to be such a bad D&D player.
To be honest I was kind of rooting for (R)aladin on this one! Listening to the interactions he was actually the only one who really *roleplayed* his character. The other group members were clearly arguing against the player through their characters, not the character. Like how they'd say that "I've only known you for three days so I'm not gonna give you my money" which clearly sounds like the player is trying to justify his character to the player. If someone I didn't know for more than a couple of days asked me for money I'd just say "Hell naw brother, I don't owe you jack."
Not only that but they really took that stuff personally, and felt like punishing the player Out Of Character for things he did In Game, which I think is more problematic than anything else here. It's game and should be considered as such. We had a player like this who would make goofy or annyoing characters in-game, but those actually ended up making some of the fondest and funniest memories for us as a group when he'd get us is trouble, or when we'd kick is ass in return. Burying a party-member who turned against you shouldn't be something that pisses people at the table. it should be an experience that the characters had to live through.
Admittedly (R)aladin may have taken it a stretch too far, but from what I heard in this story, he was antagonized by everyone at the table from the start for his playstyle, and not a single player seemed to take his character seriously in game. Call his backstories silly if you will, but bro actually committed and played true to his lawful-stupid and chaotic-stupid characters.
I will say he is super lighthearted in terms of being a “problem player”. I think he was just trying to mess with his friends at times based on the Orc story and how he tried to “get his revenge” in two different stories. I wish more stories on this channel was a person whose character only did things to the other characters. I’m so used to stories where a player punishes another player for actions characters took in game.
@@lootgoblinmarketplace Yeah, definitely. In-game squabbles can even be fun if you really let yourself engage with them. Take it out of the game and that's when you start having problems. It's one of the cardinal sins a roleplayer can do. We do discuss the things that happen in campaigns, but I don't think anyone has ever felt personally offended for what someone else's character did. Then again this group seemed a bit younger than ours when we started playing D&D.
(R)aladin took it way too far. There's a line between playing your character and just being a nuisance. A lawful good character is not going to traffic in tainted drugs without breaking their oath either. A more seasoned DM would have quashed (R)aladins bs way earlier and there wouldnt have been an issue.
Definitely a douche for no reason. It's easy to understand that other douche bags love him
Ah crap, not Aladin... Really do wish the DM went 'no, I refuse, screw you and the horse you rode in on on an actual giant screw, both Aladin and Cameo's characters are smote into oblivion with no chance of resurrection by the god the Cleric claims to worship, who confirms said cleric and Aladin gave his followers a bad name, apologises for all this nonsense and heals the Monk'.
Monk player pulled that Uno reverse card on that dumba$$
This shit waa so funny 😂
Aladin, you sound like a good pally to enjoy a game with instead of OP and their whiny group who from the start actively bullied the paladin with his name and his backstory. OP definitely was salty by their entire story description and the words they use to define the paladin. All they had to do was give him his armor and then they would have been fine but instead they chose to actively push the paladin away and isolate him so he became salty right back at them. Fully on Pallys side.
Craig you can't hide 😂 we all know it's you.
I think I agree. Dude sounded like a dick in character. But if the guy is a friendly dude in real life and is a trolling character in the game, that doesn’t speak about his whole character. Monk kinda sounded like a dick with the “be prepared to strike while sleeping”.
You can’t attack when you’re asleep.
Me personally Paladin just pissed everyone off with his antics and brought zero snacks to bribe. 😂
Also it wasnt stated how long it was before the Paladin tried to merc Monk. I am pretty sure the first class that mostly mediates daily and seek to control their body can pretend to be asleep for a while.
i would pick a dog too
Honestly, he sounds awful to play with even on a non-serious campaign.
Yes! Aladin won!
I love Aladin.
Stupid loves stupid.
Checks out
@kingcreedo6010 Okay, cuck.
@@kingcreedo6010 Misery loves company. I see that hypothesis is true.
This is why I never bring anyone with strong convictions into a D&D party. It just doesn't work when every party I've played in is 90% chaotic evil.
I'd love to play in a party with more generic good, kind-natured PCs.
I was lucky where most my players tended to lean naturally towards good. Every once in a while someone wanted to play like it was GTA and just cause havoc, but those players never stuck around for the majority of the campaign.
These same kind players genuinely feel bad whenever they try to play an evil party in Baldur’s Gate 3 and just reset to play a good party.
@lootgoblinmarketplace Yeah, our DM tends to tell us to avoid playing evil, since he's had issues with evil players before.
That comment in the beginning sounds like *horrible* advice...
Experienced players know to just not have thier lawful characters present when lawbreaking happens? What? This is a great video but what is that precedent?
Unless you're playing a moron on purpose they are still gonna know the party did it, thus creating the same character conflict, and any competent players I've been with, with lawful characters, just have them come to terms with how the violation of the law was just necessary and it's important to look the other way, or even participate, even if you disagree personally.
Obviously for major stuff it can cause genuine party conflicts and break parties but it sounds like you're also describing lawful stupid, jus don't have your characters be manchildren who see all violations of law as equally terrible. Lawful characters can be *personally* against lawbreaking while not policing the party in the same way as a party can tolerate an annoying bard or a barbarian who's rough social graces create problems, bypassing how stupid your character is by just vanishing from the game whenever the party commits a crime is just as cringe as a high-horse character who stops the party from any crime.
3:29 Definitely not antisemetic lol. The only time Jesus turns to violence is when he chases money lenders (who were preying upon poor folks) out of the church. It's only the second or third best known bible story, right after the great flood and Moses parting the seas. People who tout themselves as forces of justice always jump to assumptions and name calling. 😂😂😂
I have, on numerous occasions, rolled up a vanilla Human Paladin named Percival the Merciful. In one iteration, the subject arose of my family. and I mentioned my sister, who was also a holy warrior, named Malledine (pronounced like Madeline, but with obvious differences). I tried to keep my poker face, desperately hoping someone would remark. Nobody did.
15:28 I hear your insult and toss a few dice past you and over by my displacer beast pet... Your move, goblin boy.
Honestly Aladin doesn't seem that bad. They seem funnier and better spirited than most horror story people. Though still behaving a bit poorly I dont think the way he played Aladin the Paladin was all that bad. You can refuse to go into combat with your paladin if you want. You can disagree with him there's nothing wrong with him being stupid in the way he is. The way he played Raladin though was uncalled for. However I dont really think he did anything wrong as a Paladin.
Like I'll go into games where nobody wants to RP and everyone is working toward the goal like robots and it's really boring and upsetting. Someone who can create drama is fine. Especially since the drama he created is honestly not that bad. Trying to Coup de grace a fellow player is dumb and you probably shouldn't and as a DM i'd just tell you to fuck off.
aladin seems like a cool dude.
I agree. Dude is definitely the jokey type of guy.
Idk why but he reminds me of the crit crab one where "we just want to save the world and not be trap in a lame moral issue and let the bad guy dominate us.
I'm ok with Aladin the Paladin actually... scamming criminals sounds like fun and an excuse for the dm to kidnap players and the party to launch rescue missions? Maybe talk about it beforehand but meh... you guys sound no fun... when does a campaign ever get encounters with the drug mafia in d&d? That could've been a dope thing to keep lookout for in towns.
edit: his other characters should have gotten him kicked tho...
money lending is considered evil in alot of world religions not only in christianity but also in islam buddhism and many others but only when interest is charged on it because it's being seen as exploiting the poor and desperate for profit
In Islam's case, it's only frowned upon because you're supposed to plunder, not pay back your debts.
Aladin is the best!!
I can excuse the silly name and the lame backstory, I’m no better at it. Shame about his everything else.