@@216edwin Yeah same here. If I make the jump it's gotta be from my 12900k to a 9950x3d. That little bit of extra production workflow with the gaming performance is looking perfect.
@@216edwingood luck, with the trump tariffs imports are gonna be 30-40%more expensive if he ACTUALLY does what he's been promising. If you're money conscious I would buy any tech you need now before he gets into office.
Thanks for the great videos brother! Learned so much about overclocking just from your UA-cam Channel alone, wish I had more to sign up for your class but hopefully this donation helps 🙏🤘💪
@FrameChasers no worries man! I heard UA-cam doesn't notify of tips/donations so it's all good, glad you got it and hope it helps so you can keep doing what you do. You've got one of the best no BS computer tech channels on UA-cam, keep up the great work brother 🤘🤘
It is nice they finally moved the CMOS battery to the bottom corner. Never liked having to remove the GPU or fish it out when doing a hard clear. Great video 👍
Why any of you guys are not talking about m.2 slots and pcie lane sharing? I wanna know how many m.2 (with gen4 drives)slot i can use with out sharing pcie lanes and having full 16 lanes for gpu (rtx4090 or upcoming 5090) and ability to use all 4 sata connections .
Go with Asrock or MSI boards they have better lane sharing than all others. Asrock taichi. taichi lite and nova wifi all dont share any lanes. For MSI tomahawk is one of the best boards out there for the features. Other from MSI i dont know. I went with Nova WIFI.
I think you may be the best motherboard reviewer I've seen. You think outside the box and think about what the consumer needs and how spacing, ports could matter for different use cases like using the X870 Hero as a workstation. Really good analysis. Wish more tech youtubers went this in-depth about it instead of just listing the specs.
The quality of your content Jufes keeps on increasing and I didn't know it was even possible, thank you for the effort and dedication it takes and it's another great video, glad to be part of this community and to support your vision and integrity
Outstanding review, other reviewers claimed the internal lines are SCSI and other un-educated guesses. Solid review and you earned a sub! Keep rocking it!
The key is to test Karhu’s stability boot to boot at least 40000%. With Asus X670 (except GENE), this was the main problem : you could pass 7800 1:2 20000% Karhu’s. But, after a reboot, you launched again Karhu’s and it failed at 7% !!
Estaría bien una comparativa en juegos, con las mismas configuraciones en ddr5 y un 9800x3d, para ver si hay diferencias en los fps,porque estoy viendo canales de UA-cam que dicen que hay un 8% más de rendimiento con la x870e, y no sé si es verdad o mentira@@FrameChasers
Could you please do a AMD Gaming system build like you have on your recommended Parts List. I was thinking of the MSI X870E Carbon WIFI and the 9950x with G.SKILL Trident Z5 Neo RGB Series 32GB T38-48-48-128
@@FrameChaserson asus website the x870e hero appear to support higher clocked memory VS the x870e-e while that the two have that nitropath tech, would love to see if its actually true in practice or not especially for those that plan to build a system for longevity (primary gen5 slot reduced to x8 if you put a sound card or anything in that second gen5 slot)
@@AshtonCoolman thanks for the message ! i just saw that to conclude of the scam that is this nitropath tech, thanks god I waited and didn't bought that x870e-e, think I'm going with the strict minimum ram-motherboard wise since I plan to settle on a zen 6 16 cores ccx CPU hopefully (the latest amd turin cpus have 16 cores in a single ccx on their 3nm variants so that is promising !)
@@matthewjamesmaccarthaigh i think that was one from the too and one from the bottom. If you put jn everyone, your GPU power will be half, so is useless
@@DARKENnekradPL ASRock X870e Taichi only has 4 M.2 slots, 1 of them is Gen5, the other 3 are Gen4. The ASUS Crosshair X870e Hero has 5 M.2 slots, 3 are Gen5 (2 of those share lanes with PCIEX16_1 & PCIEX16_2) and the bottom 2 are Gen4 that do not share lanes AND there is also a SlimSAS input you can add a 6th M.2 that also does not share lanes at Gen4 speeds if you need more storage: ASRock X870E Taichi M.2 Sockets (1) PCIe 5.0 x4 (128 Gbps) / PCIe (up to 80mm) (3) PCIe 4.0 x4 (64 Gbps) / PCIe (up to 80mm) ASUS Crosshair X870e Hero M.2 Sockets (3) PCIe 5.0 x4 (128 Gbps) / PCIe (up to 80mm) (2) PCIe 4.0 x4 (64 Gbps) / PCIe (up to 80mm)
@@matthewjamesmaccarthaigh That is what you pay extra for I guess. But most people won't need more than 1 Gen5 M.2. The back-up SSD can easily be Gen4 M.2 without any noticeable change.
@@Joshua-pr9vg oh 💯. I will say I decided to go with this MOBO for my new build and I'm very pleased. It was the only component I paid full price for and it was worth every penny.
Thanks for mentioning the asynchronous overlocking bus capability as most other board testers fail to mention this added feature. My first visit your site. Appreciate the granularity of info..
finally, someone decides to compare these two boards. BTW SPDIF optical out only supports 2 channels of uncompressed audio. The only other option is lossy Dolby Digital AC3-encoded 5.1 audio through that output, which incurs a latency hit and is an ancient audio format at this point. if you're outputting audio to a surround receiver of some sort you're better off using the GPU's HDMI output since it will actually support modern audio codecs like Dolby TrueHD/Atmos, as well as uncompressed multichannel audio up to 7.1. That said, I'm sad to see motherboards no longer having analog 7.1 discrete audio outputs.
The excited reaction to having more than 1 single usable pcie slot is such a succinct but profound statement on the absolute state of "workstation" motherboards in any year since 2015. I love and hate this so much.
If you're open to questions: I recently bought this board. I still have to pick it up. I'm super confused by the nvme slots. Can I populate two of the gen5 m.2 slots and still get x16 for my gpu? I read the manual and I'm still unclear. Sorry, probably an easy answer. I know I can't do all three
Thanks for the info... I couldn't decide between all the new x870e offerings... in general seems that user reviews in amazon for x670 and x870 mobos from all brands are waaaaaay lower than x570... so it was very difficult. So I chose the x670e hero because for me it's almost the same as the x870e but it's $200 cheaper here in Mexico...
Great point on the 5GB Ethernet port. Sure 5 is more than 2.5, but. You need a switch and or other device (NAS) to make use of it. There wasn’t easy to find specs on the Realtek 5 GB controller but it likely defaults to 2.5, but maybe 1GB.
HI. Frame Chasers. I wanted to ask, with that SlimSas Cable connection, that you brought to my attention, could it also be suitable for a 10GB PCIE network card? Without eating lines at the first PCIE slot for the GPU. Thanks for any confirmation.
@@juice7661 440W for 43.5K is kinda nuts, when adequately tuned at 253W it gets ~40-41K. Chasing Cinebench numbers is what put Intel in the bad spot in the first place. And I've never seen crazy 200W in games on my 14900KF, usually it's under or around 100W, depending on how CPU heavy is the game. You better tune your CPU and put limits back on, before you become "team AMD" yourself.
The Taichi and Nova only support up to 8200Mhz OC DDR5 ram while the Hero supports up to 8600Mhz OC (some saying it may even be stable at 9000). The Hero also has patented Nitropath DRAM technology the Nova and Taichi do not, promising enhanced performance. From ASUS site: NitroPath DRAM Technology provides enhanced DDR5 memory performance. Shorter gold finger pins and optimized signal pathways ensure faster data transfers between your DRAM and CPU, allowing for greater memory overclocking headroom and stability. These reinformed DRAM slots are also better prepared to withstand the wear and tear of the RAM installation process than traditional slot designs, perfect for enthusiasts who keep their system upgraded with the fastest kits available. The Nova and Taichi are great MOBOs especially for the price, but for OC enthusiasts that are looking to absolutely max out their rigs on paper it doesn't look like they can beat the Hero, unless someone wants to benchmark them side by side by side...Frame Chasers may be up to the task haha
@@DARKENnekradPL That's just not true though, it does feed off your memory speed. It just doesn't scale very well, and more dependent on what games you play. Which is good optimization overall I'd say.
Taichi also has 1 M.2 gen 5.0 and 3 M.2 gen 4.0 compared to the hero with 3 M.2 5.0, 2 M.2 gen 4.0. Rhe hero also has the snap on WiFi, quick release screw less design PCIe and M.2 slots,, back plate heatplates and 7.1 chanel sound as compared to 5.1 (Taichi). Also the RAM is 8600MT compared to 8200MT. knowing that, for me, the 200 extra is worth it.
5Gbps was a *HUGE* fail... stop milking the network udder and go straight to 10Gbps it is 2024 for crying out loud and USB speeds are already up to 40Gbps!
10gb internet is not affordable for like 95% of the people who live at home lool just buy a 10gb network card or let me guess your two 4090s take up too much space?
@@geort45 10gbs is overkill for a local network, even if it is for a NAS and even then NVMe transfer speeds are faster and storage devices have been getting smaller and way more portable that's why i explicitly stated people who live at home because only businesses would need fiber/5gb + for daily use the only excuse I could find for 10gbs is if you utilize a lot of upload or seed a lot of torrents, two very niche purposes
@@blue-ki5ip what's the price difference for mobo manufacturers to put 10G instead of 5G? 5Gbps switches are so uncommon... how much do they cost against 10G? Even NAS units either have 1, 2.5 or 10G... the 5G port it's an odd decision...
Thanks for doing this review this validate the importance of understanding the hardware and different chipset versions.. not only justify but to validate 9950X will give significant performance. I feel that upgrading to the 9950 X will see most of the benefit when also upgrading to the latest chipset. X870E and even the rtx 5090 for workstation, gaming, and AI applications.
Just finished my new build and my PowerColor Red Devil 7900XTX BARELY fit underneath that massive heatsink, I got a custom backplate for it that doesn't fit on top when installed horizontally because of the M.2_1 SSD heatsink
Can both motherboards run dual 4090? I heard it will sacrifice from x16 to x8 dual slot speed. will it sacrifice fps? I plan to run 4090 on triple 48GQ900 (OC 138hz) and another 4090 runs on PG27aqdp (480hz). My current setup single 4090 it won't lit up 4 screens simultaneously. I got to do manual setup every single time in Nvidia control panel which is annoying and time consuming.
I still have a Crosshair VIII Hero with a 5900X and I've loved the ROG stuff for years, but this time I'm gonna have to move away from Asus because of the price of this board.
No, the best board is the one that has the least amount of issues with getting ECC ram functional. This board will boot with ECC udimms but doesn't seem to actually support that functionality.
Thinking of upgrading my 9900KS recently and going to AMD with the X870E Hero with the 9800X3D when it launches. I've got a 3090 with a 10GB nic card currently on my Hero XI board currently that I was going to move over to the new build. Am I going to lose performance by doing so, I thought going from x16 down to x8 wasn't really noticeable? Appreciate any input! Thanks
This is a weird generation where I'm actually more excited for what you can do with the x870 mobos than the processors driving them. Finally a bridge between consumer mobos and something like Threadripper where you can actually flex all the NVME slots without bifurcation or downgrading the GPU, and the ability to have a second GPU for doing simulations or rendering. I just wish we had mobos like I had back in 2014 with quad channel 8 DIMM slots and a 5820k that was just as good as a workstation rig as it was for gaming (relevant to the era). I'm still looking at either upgrading everything to AM5 or sitting on a TR 3970x for a good long time. Buying TRs pre-owned is about my only option, but I absolutely dislike the idea of inheriting the sins of the PO via ebay or the like.
I rlly need to know this: on the MSI MPG X870E CARBON WIFI, there is a 3rd PCIE 4.0 slot. I was planning on putting my 4K PRO capture card in that 3rd slot. But I was just wondering, does this also take lanes from the 1st PCIE (Graphics Card) slot? I want to know if it in any way affects the Graphics card? (I'm getting the 4090).
Ok... So im debating on getting the new 9950x or wait for the 9800x3d... I have already bought the new x870e hero motherboard from Asus for overclocking reasons.... My question is this, with the new motherboard and the 9 series I can achieve 8200MTS with my DDR5 RAM. With this much of an improvement will the extra cache actually make a difference since the MTS can make up so much? Gaming reasons
X670E Aurous Master can do 8000 MT/S i think that and the extreme are the only 4 slotters than can acheive that. The x670e hero wasn't worth it considering the master was better.
if there’s a way to get matching TPHYRDL’s while using 6400 then I’d be using it. Until then I’m using 6200CL28-35-32-30-66 58.7ns My kit won’t budge any more unless I turn off geardown mode, power down enable & memory context restore. at that point I’m hurting performance if I push it any further. hopefully it’s just my kit.
Aren't you worried that it will break and Asus will claim it isn't covered under warranty? It doesn't have enough slots anyways - might as well buy a stock dell if you don't need slots.
man i have question, if i by pro art mb and i install 1) nvme in top slot 2) gpu with waterblock 3) soindblaster ae9 4) 4k capture card. is that gonna work or no ?
Very nice. I'm surprised that the Hero series of boards has something you think it would be on the ProArt for content creators. Maybe a version 2 of the ProArt X870-E with the SaS port. Make an all out best of the best for content creating on one board. I feel the ProArt is very close but this shows there's a few improvements could be made yet.
Im waiting for Arrow lake reviews to decide but need to build a pc. Do you have to do a lot of fiddling in the bios and OS or can i just set xmp/(DOCP) and be done with it? As im looking into AMD im finding people saying things like turning core isolation on/off and having to use Process lasso.
You have to get the course first, at the end of it there is a cheap consult link for people that still need 1 on 1 help after. I don’t do public consults anymore otherwise
@@jabronilifestyle I agree, my point was he said the CCD issue was an automatic no-go for him point blank, regardless of scenario I was just surprised he's going to use one, in whatever form.
@@MadClowdz The CCD issue was clearly an overreaction which he's realized and corrected. Why get pissy about the CCD when the 9950x overall is stupid fast? I get you want it to be even faster, but refusing to use a chip over it is weird lol
@@MadClowdz You're surprised he's using one, and I'm surprised someone WOULDN'T use one just because of the "CCD Issue" which I do not consider an issue because the CPU is retarded fast.
So stripping features (surround VCA) and increasing prices, this is a trend for Asus. And you might not want to add thermal pads to the back of the DIMM slots, a heat-sink is only effective with airflow, that entire back-plate could heat up with time and rather than pull heat away from the DIMM slots now the DIMM slots become the heat-sink for the back-plate. That back-plate is suffocated with zero airflow.
I've got a taichi x670e, a rog strix x670e-e, and a MSI X670e godlike and I'm not buying anymore mbs till camm2 comes out and is working and we can get 10,000 1:1. Oh yeah and my original asus B650e.
Is this Asus sponsored? From my research in many other reviews, I have found that the Asrock lineup (Nova, Taichi lite, and Taichi) are better in every way, including price.
An itx B850 board with 8000MT/s RAM might be nice for SFF build with an APU... Damn, i wish AMD released that rumored 8 cores 32CUs Strix Halo APU on desktops as well. An Ultimate Emu box!.. or NAS, or both.
Why APU’s are garbage. There are small GPU’s that can easily fit in a mini ITX case. The 4070 FE is small and fairly powerful for that small form factor.
I was interested until I heard the price... I, personally, think that no motherboard should cost over $400. I don't see the value in anything above that threshold...
I was just going to use a thunderbolt 4 card on my z790 intel but asus must of read my mind adding this connector. Just the power for this new setup is going to be a little jank. Reminds me of using x4 m.2 slots and pcie risers. I should be okay with a thunderbolt 4 card for the next gen or two 😅
![The BEST Motherboard for AMD Ryzen. Period. - Here's Why! [Asus ProArt X870e Creator WiFi]](/img/n.gif)
I’m going with AMD now. Just ordered my ASUS X870E Hero & 9800X3D bundle earlier today.
Literally just did that myself this morning when it was back in stock 😂
I'm waiting for 9950x3d to come out next year 😊 then I'm going with amd
@@216edwin Yeah same here. If I make the jump it's gotta be from my 12900k to a 9950x3d. That little bit of extra production workflow with the gaming performance is looking perfect.
Do you know if the daughter board he mentioned can be powered by the PSU? Or do we have to have some power connector outside the PC?
@@216edwingood luck, with the trump tariffs imports are gonna be 30-40%more expensive if he ACTUALLY does what he's been promising. If you're money conscious I would buy any tech you need now before he gets into office.
Thanks for the great videos brother! Learned so much about overclocking just from your UA-cam Channel alone, wish I had more to sign up for your class but hopefully this donation helps 🙏🤘💪
@@matthewjamesmaccarthaigh I don’t know why I only saw this just now but thank you so much man
@FrameChasers no worries man! I heard UA-cam doesn't notify of tips/donations so it's all good, glad you got it and hope it helps so you can keep doing what you do. You've got one of the best no BS computer tech channels on UA-cam, keep up the great work brother 🤘🤘
Shout out to the supporters for allowing Jufes to make this content!
Bro answering the questions other reviewers don't give us the time for. Good work as always FC
It is nice they finally moved the CMOS battery to the bottom corner. Never liked having to remove the GPU or fish it out when doing a hard clear.
Great video 👍
Some motherboards have pins you can jump.
Reset button in the back?
8:58 that's the most important thing I've heard since I want to build a new system with E870E, glad to choose that motherboard. Nice info, dude.
SlimSAS sold it to me, thanks for sharing! I'll use it to connect my Optane P5800x through it! I ordered this board while watching this video. lol
Why any of you guys are not talking about m.2 slots and pcie lane sharing? I wanna know how many m.2 (with gen4 drives)slot i can use with out sharing pcie lanes and having full 16 lanes for gpu (rtx4090 or upcoming 5090) and ability to use all 4 sata connections .
Go with Asrock or MSI boards they have better lane sharing than all others. Asrock taichi. taichi lite and nova wifi all dont share any lanes. For MSI tomahawk is one of the best boards out there for the features. Other from MSI i dont know. I went with Nova WIFI.
@@mostwanted189 Thanks.
I think you may be the best motherboard reviewer I've seen. You think outside the box and think about what the consumer needs and how spacing, ports could matter for different use cases like using the X870 Hero as a workstation. Really good analysis. Wish more tech youtubers went this in-depth about it instead of just listing the specs.
The quality of your content Jufes keeps on increasing and I didn't know it was even possible, thank you for the effort and dedication it takes and it's another great video, glad to be part of this community and to support your vision and integrity
legit searched for this this morning with no luck... Glad to be here lol.
Outstanding review, other reviewers claimed the internal lines are SCSI and other un-educated guesses. Solid review and you earned a sub! Keep rocking it!
Nice work..
👍
Would helpful to know what RAM you used and timings etc?
What RAM sticks did you use for testing and is there a preference still or should almost any work now?
first motherboard review i actually found interesting and engaging, great review! 👌
The key is to test Karhu’s stability boot to boot at least 40000%.
With Asus X670 (except GENE), this was the main problem : you could pass 7800 1:2 20000% Karhu’s. But, after a reboot, you launched again Karhu’s and it failed at 7% !!
I just picked up the x870 crosshair hero. Can u tell me what thickness thermal pads to use for the backpkate memory channel? Much appreciated!
Thanks! What ddr5 ram are you using?
Ayoooooo thanks for the super man, in this video specifically I used 8200c38 teamgroup sticks with bitspower heatsinks.
Thank you!
Estaría bien una comparativa en juegos, con las mismas configuraciones en ddr5 y un 9800x3d, para ver si hay diferencias en los fps,porque estoy viendo canales de UA-cam que dicen que hay un 8% más de rendimiento con la x870e, y no sé si es verdad o mentira@@FrameChasers
Could you please do a AMD Gaming system build like you have on your recommended Parts List. I was thinking of the MSI X870E Carbon WIFI and the 9950x with G.SKILL Trident Z5 Neo RGB Series 32GB T38-48-48-128
I can do that yeah sure
@@FrameChaserson asus website the x870e hero appear to support higher clocked memory VS the x870e-e while that the two have that nitropath tech, would love to see if its actually true in practice or not especially for those that plan to build a system for longevity (primary gen5 slot reduced to x8 if you put a sound card or anything in that second gen5 slot)
@@AshtonCoolman thanks for the message ! i just saw that to conclude of the scam that is this nitropath tech, thanks god I waited and didn't bought that x870e-e, think I'm going with the strict minimum ram-motherboard wise since I plan to settle on a zen 6 16 cores ccx CPU hopefully (the latest amd turin cpus have 16 cores in a single ccx on their 3nm variants so that is promising !)
Whats the difference between x870 hero and x870e gaming?
Thanks for doing the first real objective review I can find on this board vs last gen.
You should benchmark this MOBO against the ASRock Nova and Taichi, everyone keeps saying the ASRock boards are superior and less expensive
Ye they Said because if you buy this one only 3 nvme slots are available if you dont want take speed from your GPU, in ASRock all 5 is no problem
@@matthewjamesmaccarthaigh i think that was one from the too and one from the bottom. If you put jn everyone, your GPU power will be half, so is useless
@@DARKENnekradPL ASRock X870e Taichi only has 4 M.2 slots, 1 of them is Gen5, the other 3 are Gen4. The ASUS Crosshair X870e Hero has 5 M.2 slots, 3 are Gen5 (2 of those share lanes with PCIEX16_1 & PCIEX16_2) and the bottom 2 are Gen4 that do not share lanes AND there is also a SlimSAS input you can add a 6th M.2 that also does not share lanes at Gen4 speeds if you need more storage:
ASRock X870E Taichi
M.2 Sockets
(1) PCIe 5.0 x4 (128 Gbps) / PCIe (up to 80mm)
(3) PCIe 4.0 x4 (64 Gbps) / PCIe (up to 80mm)
ASUS Crosshair X870e Hero
M.2 Sockets
(3) PCIe 5.0 x4 (128 Gbps) / PCIe (up to 80mm)
(2) PCIe 4.0 x4 (64 Gbps) / PCIe (up to 80mm)
@@matthewjamesmaccarthaigh That is what you pay extra for I guess. But most people won't need more than 1 Gen5 M.2. The back-up SSD can easily be Gen4 M.2 without any noticeable change.
@@Joshua-pr9vg oh 💯. I will say I decided to go with this MOBO for my new build and I'm very pleased. It was the only component I paid full price for and it was worth every penny.
Thanks for mentioning the asynchronous overlocking bus capability as most other board testers fail to mention this added feature. My first visit your site. Appreciate the granularity of info..
ASUS soldered the caps in the right direction and their RMA doesn't suck anymore?
Why not just use an x4 mini sas to oculink cable and attach that to an oculink pcie x4 board? Skip the nvme adapter.
I didn’t test it myself so I didn’t want to recommend it without knowing it works
finally, someone decides to compare these two boards. BTW SPDIF optical out only supports 2 channels of uncompressed audio. The only other option is lossy Dolby Digital AC3-encoded 5.1 audio through that output, which incurs a latency hit and is an ancient audio format at this point. if you're outputting audio to a surround receiver of some sort you're better off using the GPU's HDMI output since it will actually support modern audio codecs like Dolby TrueHD/Atmos, as well as uncompressed multichannel audio up to 7.1. That said, I'm sad to see motherboards no longer having analog 7.1 discrete audio outputs.
Good to see Jufes giving AMD some love, which means that AMD is doing good, I hope they don't make something stupid.
The excited reaction to having more than 1 single usable pcie slot is such a succinct but profound statement on the absolute state of "workstation" motherboards in any year since 2015. I love and hate this so much.
Why choose the Pro Art over the Hero for a work station?
10g and better 5th gen m.2 support.
If you're open to questions: I recently bought this board. I still have to pick it up. I'm super confused by the nvme slots. Can I populate two of the gen5 m.2 slots and still get x16 for my gpu? I read the manual and I'm still unclear. Sorry, probably an easy answer. I know I can't do all three
Thanks for the info... I couldn't decide between all the new x870e offerings... in general seems that user reviews in amazon for x670 and x870 mobos from all brands are waaaaaay lower than x570... so it was very difficult. So I chose the x670e hero because for me it's almost the same as the x870e but it's $200 cheaper here in Mexico...
How do we connect the Capture Card to power?
SATA cable to the PSU
Great point on the 5GB Ethernet port. Sure 5 is more than 2.5, but. You need a switch and or other device (NAS) to make use of it. There wasn’t easy to find specs on the Realtek 5 GB controller but it likely defaults to 2.5, but maybe 1GB.
Don’t think I’ve ever heard Jufes say “single core boost” without adding “shit”. It’s true though, it really is shit
G.Skill have 9,000mt ram for the AM5 platform now
HI. Frame Chasers.
I wanted to ask, with that SlimSas Cable connection, that you brought to my attention, could it also be suitable for a 10GB PCIE network card? Without eating lines at the first PCIE slot for the GPU.
Thanks for any confirmation.
Why are Intel fanboys getting upset that the frame chaser going AMD? Lol
Tribalism is cancer, no matter the side
It could also just be that the 9950x wins in workstation
@@juice7661 I don’t care
@@juice7661 440W for 43.5K is kinda nuts, when adequately tuned at 253W it gets ~40-41K. Chasing Cinebench numbers is what put Intel in the bad spot in the first place. And I've never seen crazy 200W in games on my 14900KF, usually it's under or around 100W, depending on how CPU heavy is the game. You better tune your CPU and put limits back on, before you become "team AMD" yourself.
Gonna melt ur pc@@juice7661
Let’s get some love ❤️ too the Nameless ASUS mobo dev that decided to put the dongle thing
What the purpose of this board when you could buy ASRock AMD X870E Taichi lite for almost $200 less ?
Im thinking the same thing but we'll need to check the specs to see the differences.
The Taichi and Nova only support up to 8200Mhz OC DDR5 ram while the Hero supports up to 8600Mhz OC (some saying it may even be stable at 9000). The Hero also has patented Nitropath DRAM technology the Nova and Taichi do not, promising enhanced performance.
From ASUS site:
NitroPath DRAM Technology provides enhanced DDR5 memory performance. Shorter gold finger pins and optimized signal pathways ensure faster data transfers between your DRAM and CPU, allowing for greater memory overclocking headroom and stability. These reinformed DRAM slots are also better prepared to withstand the wear and tear of the RAM installation process than traditional slot designs, perfect for enthusiasts who keep their system upgraded with the fastest kits available.
The Nova and Taichi are great MOBOs especially for the price, but for OC enthusiasts that are looking to absolutely max out their rigs on paper it doesn't look like they can beat the Hero, unless someone wants to benchmark them side by side by side...Frame Chasers may be up to the task haha
@@matthewjamesmaccarthaighand this speed of ram give you nothing, for AMD zen 5 sweet spot is 6000 mhz
@@DARKENnekradPL That's just not true though, it does feed off your memory speed. It just doesn't scale very well, and more dependent on what games you play. Which is good optimization overall I'd say.
Taichi also has 1 M.2 gen 5.0 and 3 M.2 gen 4.0 compared to the hero with 3 M.2 5.0, 2 M.2 gen 4.0. Rhe hero also has the snap on WiFi, quick release screw less design PCIe and M.2 slots,, back plate heatplates and 7.1 chanel sound as compared to 5.1 (Taichi). Also the RAM is 8600MT compared to 8200MT. knowing that, for me, the 200 extra is worth it.
5Gbps was a *HUGE* fail... stop milking the network udder and go straight to 10Gbps it is 2024 for crying out loud and USB speeds are already up to 40Gbps!
10gb internet is not affordable for like 95% of the people who live at home lool just buy a 10gb network card or let me guess your two 4090s take up too much space?
@@blue-ki5ipdo you know about local networks? wth...
In Italy like 5%of the population has 10gbps lol in south Italy 1/2 gbps is the “standard” now
@@geort45 10gbs is overkill for a local network, even if it is for a NAS and even then NVMe transfer speeds are faster and storage devices have been getting smaller and way more portable
that's why i explicitly stated people who live at home because only businesses would need fiber/5gb + for daily use
the only excuse I could find for 10gbs is if you utilize a lot of upload or seed a lot of torrents, two very niche purposes
@@blue-ki5ip what's the price difference for mobo manufacturers to put 10G instead of 5G? 5Gbps switches are so uncommon... how much do they cost against 10G? Even NAS units either have 1, 2.5 or 10G... the 5G port it's an odd decision...
Thanks for doing this review this validate the importance of understanding the hardware and different chipset versions.. not only justify but to validate 9950X will give significant performance. I feel that upgrading to the 9950 X will see most of the benefit when also upgrading to the latest chipset. X870E and even the rtx 5090 for workstation, gaming, and AI applications.
Been a while since I watched... Is Jufes on his amd arc now???
Going AMD for workstation yeah, 9950X is the better tool for the job. Intel still faster in gaming.
@@J.king87 amd is more expensive, u can build intel for dirt cheap nowadays
this was an awesome video
I have a 3090 water-cooled using EKs custom block that has an active backplate, will the SSD heatsink interfere with such backplate?
Just finished my new build and my PowerColor Red Devil 7900XTX BARELY fit underneath that massive heatsink, I got a custom backplate for it that doesn't fit on top when installed horizontally because of the M.2_1 SSD heatsink
Starting looking into my new build. What board would you recommend for non overclocking but enough usb ports?
Can both motherboards run dual 4090? I heard it will sacrifice from x16 to x8 dual slot speed. will it sacrifice fps? I plan to run 4090 on triple 48GQ900 (OC 138hz) and another 4090 runs on PG27aqdp (480hz). My current setup single 4090 it won't lit up 4 screens simultaneously. I got to do manual setup every single time in Nvidia control panel which is annoying and time consuming.
Should be a scandal how all the new MOBOs don't support 5.1 anymore and all the reviews glaze over it.
What memory manufacture and model did you use?
I still have a Crosshair VIII Hero with a 5900X and I've loved the ROG stuff for years, but this time I'm gonna have to move away from Asus because of the price of this board.
Been absolutely loving the X670E Hero
you got it? since when? which CPU?
@@AshtonCoolman So I’m actually running the same CPU. I kinda wish I went for the 7950X as X3D doesn’t benefit much at 4K. Still enjoying it tho
No, the best board is the one that has the least amount of issues with getting ECC ram functional. This board will boot with ECC udimms but doesn't seem to actually support that functionality.
Wonder what kind of performance uplift we could get if the motherboard had binned ddr5 modules attached directly by smd?
Top! Straight to the point and exactly what everyone was looking for!
Thinking of upgrading my 9900KS recently and going to AMD with the X870E Hero with the 9800X3D when it launches. I've got a 3090 with a 10GB nic card currently on my Hero XI board currently that I was going to move over to the new build. Am I going to lose performance by doing so, I thought going from x16 down to x8 wasn't really noticeable? Appreciate any input! Thanks
This is a weird generation where I'm actually more excited for what you can do with the x870 mobos than the processors driving them. Finally a bridge between consumer mobos and something like Threadripper where you can actually flex all the NVME slots without bifurcation or downgrading the GPU, and the ability to have a second GPU for doing simulations or rendering. I just wish we had mobos like I had back in 2014 with quad channel 8 DIMM slots and a 5820k that was just as good as a workstation rig as it was for gaming (relevant to the era). I'm still looking at either upgrading everything to AM5 or sitting on a TR 3970x for a good long time. Buying TRs pre-owned is about my only option, but I absolutely dislike the idea of inheriting the sins of the PO via ebay or the like.
I rlly need to know this: on the MSI MPG X870E CARBON WIFI, there is a 3rd PCIE 4.0 slot. I was planning on putting my 4K PRO capture card in that 3rd slot. But I was just wondering, does this also take lanes from the 1st PCIE (Graphics Card) slot? I want to know if it in any way affects the Graphics card? (I'm getting the 4090).
could u please tell me which to get tuf x670e or tuf x870???
Ok... So im debating on getting the new 9950x or wait for the 9800x3d... I have already bought the new x870e hero motherboard from Asus for overclocking reasons.... My question is this, with the new motherboard and the 9 series I can achieve 8200MTS with my DDR5 RAM. With this much of an improvement will the extra cache actually make a difference since the MTS can make up so much? Gaming reasons
X670E Aurous Master can do 8000 MT/S i think that and the extreme are the only 4 slotters than can acheive that. The x670e hero wasn't worth it considering the master was better.
My rog strix x670e-e will do 8200 with those ram but it's 1:2. So really only 4100. I can do 6000 1:1 on it and it's faster.
if there’s a way to get matching TPHYRDL’s while using 6400 then I’d be using it.
Until then I’m using 6200CL28-35-32-30-66 58.7ns
My kit won’t budge any more unless I turn off geardown mode, power down enable & memory context restore.
at that point I’m hurting performance if I push it any further.
hopefully it’s just my kit.
I have the 9800X3D on a MSI Carbon X870E ----- I want 48Gb's 8000 Mt/s GSKILL NEO 5 DDR5 CL40 ---- is it ok to get this??? Thanks
Great content as allways, this channel is going to grow big😊
Aren't you worried that it will break and Asus will claim it isn't covered under warranty? It doesn't have enough slots anyways - might as well buy a stock dell if you don't need slots.
Can I buy those ddr5 heatspreaders only? I want them, but not the memories, I have pretty good ones already.
Does using the SlimSas take away any m.2/sata/pcie slots?
No
Nice review, man! Subscribed
Bro how u got so many boards? You got a shop or something or asus gifted u them
i did buy the ASUS ROG Crosshair X670E Hero its the better deal it can use all m2 nothing getting cut away
you gonna try the MSI X870E GODLIKE?
Does the Asus X870E-E model right below the Hero also have the slim sas connector?
Keep up the great work Jufes! 👍🏻
man i have question, if i by pro art mb and i install 1) nvme in top slot 2) gpu with waterblock 3) soindblaster ae9 4) 4k capture card. is that gonna work or no ?
Very nice. I'm surprised that the Hero series of boards has something you think it would be on the ProArt for content creators. Maybe a version 2 of the ProArt X870-E with the SaS port. Make an all out best of the best for content creating on one board. I feel the ProArt is very close but this shows there's a few improvements could be made yet.
Thanks for the video, love your channel🎉
Im waiting for Arrow lake reviews to decide but need to build a pc. Do you have to do a lot of fiddling in the bios and OS or can i just set xmp/(DOCP) and be done with it? As im looking into AMD im finding people saying things like turning core isolation on/off and having to use Process lasso.
Can you do a review on asrock nova x870e? I am searching everywhere and nobody has reviewed it.
Who’s going to pay for it
@@FrameChasers You do not need to buy it. You can just take pictures and explain parts of the motherboard.
@@aleksdeveloper698 I don’t make videos on products I don’t test myself, that’s how you spread misinformation
Does that addition for the capture card add latency?
Does this board go well with 2x32 6000 cl30 kingston ram?
All theae daughter boards might as well stick the capture card into the bottom slot of the x670e
How much does Jufus charge to build a pc for someone ?
Buildzoid not able to work 8000mhz ram on x870e hero.. so yours may be special board or a binned sample.. not meamt for everyone
I was lucky and found the X870E for 504$ compared to to X670E for 448$, both on amazon, so the choise wasn't that hard ;)
loving the content, new and old. keep it up. how can we book consultations assuming its still a thing?
You have to get the course first, at the end of it there is a cheap consult link for people that still need 1 on 1 help after. I don’t do public consults anymore otherwise
Great job, as always
Wait, so you are going AMD on your build? I thought you were going to pass because of the 2nd CCD, lower-binned silicon issue?
He said workstation. 9950x is so good for productivity it's actually impressive af
@@jabronilifestyle I agree, my point was he said the CCD issue was an automatic no-go for him point blank, regardless of scenario I was just surprised he's going to use one, in whatever form.
@@MadClowdz The CCD issue was clearly an overreaction which he's realized and corrected. Why get pissy about the CCD when the 9950x overall is stupid fast? I get you want it to be even faster, but refusing to use a chip over it is weird lol
@@MadClowdz You're surprised he's using one, and I'm surprised someone WOULDN'T use one just because of the "CCD Issue" which I do not consider an issue because the CPU is retarded fast.
What is your hashrate on xmrig 6000 memory vs 8000 memory?
what itx do you recommended
So stripping features (surround VCA) and increasing prices, this is a trend for Asus. And you might not want to add thermal pads to the back of the DIMM slots, a heat-sink is only effective with airflow, that entire back-plate could heat up with time and rather than pull heat away from the DIMM slots now the DIMM slots become the heat-sink for the back-plate. That back-plate is suffocated with zero airflow.
great video man. IF you have the X670E-E, and HAVE the time i would really like to see how it compares to the X870 Hero :)
What ram modules are used at this test?
Can anyone tell me does AM5 (not X3D) have CPPC setting in bios? Like CPPC & CPPC preferred cores
camm2 modules and cudimms are coming at potention 10000 Mhz speeds in near future for ddr5
That will be great if amd gets their controller to work above 6400 1:1
@@walterrankin200, Some guy here wrote that he managed to achieve 6600MHz 1:1.
@@daniilmarkovskyj515 I saw that but didn't get any details. He must have increased voltage. I avoid that if possible
@@daniilmarkovskyj515 that's still a ways from 8000 1:1.
I've got a taichi x670e, a rog strix x670e-e, and a MSI X670e godlike and I'm not buying anymore mbs till camm2 comes out and is working and we can get 10,000 1:1. Oh yeah and my original asus B650e.
Is this Asus sponsored? From my research in many other reviews, I have found that the Asrock lineup (Nova, Taichi lite, and Taichi) are better in every way, including price.
Will you make 9700X rewiev?
The audio ports are the only issue I have with this 😥
An itx B850 board with 8000MT/s RAM might be nice for SFF build with an APU... Damn, i wish AMD released that rumored 8 cores 32CUs Strix Halo APU on desktops as well. An Ultimate Emu box!.. or NAS, or both.
Why APU’s are garbage. There are small GPU’s that can easily fit in a mini ITX case. The 4070 FE is small and fairly powerful for that small form factor.
I was interested until I heard the price... I, personally, think that no motherboard should cost over $400. I don't see the value in anything above that threshold...
In my country it costs 800€ vs 600€ for x670e chipset. I will never buy a motherboard for that price.
as a x670e hero and 7950x3d owner i think i will wait and see if the x870 burns the CPU again haha
Nice information man. I hope next gen CPUs can utilise 8000mhz memory speeds.
The difference between 6000 and 8000 memory is less than a 1% frame increase. Keep drinking the amd Kool aid
I was just going to use a thunderbolt 4 card on my z790 intel but asus must of read my mind adding this connector. Just the power for this new setup is going to be a little jank. Reminds me of using x4 m.2 slots and pcie risers. I should be okay with a thunderbolt 4 card for the next gen or two 😅