Plus anything you create with Adobe can be stolen legally and sold by them with you getting 0 just be Lucky they ain't offering Disney+ Subs those will get you ☠️ and you're family/loved ones won't be able to sue even if it's 100% Disney's Fault.
Comparison of ProArt X670E to X870E: Improvements: - Wifi 7 instead of Wifi 6E - Bluetooth 5.4 instead of 5.3 - Third PCIE slot is now connected 4.0x4 instead of 4.0x2 - Wifi connector is now quick-connect - 80A MOSFETs instead of 50A Deterioration: - Front USB-C is only 30 W power delivery instead of 60 W because 6-pin PCIE has been removed - 12V ARGB connector has been removed Everything else has remained exactly the same! A surcharge of around 100 €/$/£ is in no way justified, the X670E has the better price-performance ratio, although the performance is identical except for Wifi/BT.
@@theTechNotice Official RAM support is the same. X670E RAM-Clock frequency OC: DDR5-8000 RAM-Clock frequency nativ: DDR5-5200 (Ryzen 7000), DDR5-5200 (Ryzen 8000G - Phoenix), DDR5-5200 (Ryzen 8000G - Phoenix2), DDR5-5600 (Ryzen 9000) X870E RAM-Clock frequency OC: DDR5-8000 RAM-Clock frequency nativ: DDR5-5200 (Ryzen 7000), DDR5-5200 (Ryzen 8000G - Phoenix), DDR5-5200 (Ryzen 8000G - Phoenix2), DDR5-5600 (Ryzen 9000) RAM Clock depends on the CPU. not on the mainboard chipset. The X870 chipset is said to be a bit more stable when overclocking, so that you may be able to achieve slightly higher clock speeds with overclocking. But that is not guaranteed.
Differences between ProArt X870E and X670E ("+" is upgrade, "=" is sidegrade, "-" is downgrade): + WiFi 7 VS 6E. + Bluetooth 5.4 VS 5.2. + 80A VS 70A power stages. + 1st M.2 slot now has a tool-less heatsink and an improved underside heatsink. + 1st GPU slot locking mechanism is improved (can have two hands on the GPU for removal now). + Clear CMOS now has a button on the I/O shield instead of 2 pins you have to jump on the board. = WiFi antenna can't be securely screwed into place anymore. = Number of gen5 M.2 slots is UNCHANGED unlike what is stated in the video (7:02). = RAM compatibility and max speed is UNCHANGED unlike what is stated in the video (12:15). = Bottom PCIe 4.0 expansion slot is now x4 VS x2 previously. In return, you have to give up 4 lanes of a PCIe 5.0 expansion slot instead of 2 lanes of a M.2 gen4 slot. - 12V RGB header removed. - USB-C front-panel connector supports 30W fast charging VS 60W previously.
You neglected to mention USB4 is now standard - quite important for future proofing. These boards are typically kept longer by content creators than the gaming boards bought by 'kids'. ;-)
@@brianhoward9217 USB4 was already present on the ProArt X670E with exactly the same amount of ports. That's why I didn't mention it. Other X670E boards also have USB4 ports like the ASUS ROG Crosshair Hero. Only difference now is that all X870E boards must include USB4 ports.
You missed the most crucial difference, which is regarding PCI-E lane distribution. The USB4 ports are now on CPU lanes, so they no longer compete with things connected to the chipset. This is good in some ways, because this type of board was known for IO congestion on the chipset causing issues with dropped USB4 devices etc. However, it also has the consequence of degrading the primary PCI-E x16 slot to x8 if you populate the second M.2 slot, something which did not happen in the Proart X670E. Basically, Proart X670E vs X870E is a choice between prioritizing M.2 storage vs USB4. If you want to run two 5.0 SSDs at full speed without affecting the GPU slot, choose Proart X670E. If you want max USB4 stability and performance without chipset bottlenecks, choose the proart X870E.
@@mettana7448 It is crucial info like this I'm glad and grateful to see. I'm surprised the reviewers don't often explain this in simple language as it is so important and confusing to many. Thank you.
@@Nayah9 "populating the 2nd SSD slot does NOT gimp the primary GPU slot" Where do you think the other lanes came from when they moved the USB4 controllers from the chipset to the CPU? They couldn't just conjure more lanes out of thin air. This has been discussed in detail on various forum threads and Ronin Wilde on UA-cam has a video with the full lane allocation breakdown. Populating M.2_2 and/or PCIE2 will cause PCIE1 to drop to 8x.
Great review. There has been clarification regarding the M.2 slots. The top two slots (M.2_1 and M.2_2) are directly connected to CPU and are PCI gen5 (in x4 mode). But if you are using Ryzen 8000 series CPU then the M2.2 is not available (it's a CPU limitation). If you are using Ryzen 9000/7000 series CPU and keep in mind that the PCIEX16(gen5)_2 (the middle slot) shares bandwidth with the M.2.2 slot right next to it. Bottom two slots (M.2_3 and M.2_4) are through the chipset and are available as PCIe gen4 (in x4 mode). I hope it helps.
One m.2 is PCIE 4.0. If you use the third PCIE5 M.2 graphics run at x8. Also, Asus had coil whine issues in idle for their last gen VRM designs, and slight ticking noises for their b550 boards of this class. You would only know that, if you actually make a silent build, so I guess there is no point in asking here for that?
no q-code or onboard power/reset buttons are kind of a deal breaker for me, regardless of the amount of rear i/o. :( no rear armor is kind of annoying, and no optical audio is also odd IMO. Love the USB and 10Gb ethernet port though. I feel like this makes some odd cuts considering it's for creators and considering its price.
I don't know why they didn't just make one of the 3.5mm jacks an optical combo. Still, it's easy enough to add a USB-to-optical audio adapter if you need it. The exclusion of optical on a PC is not the same kind of catastrophe as the exclusion of optical on Xbox. Lack of code readout at this price point is inexcusable.
I think the ProArt designs are based on Leonardo Da Vinci's basic geometry studies, and precursors to his point of reference and perspective studies...
If you look at other x870E boards like the MSI carbon wifi, all m.2 and expansion slots etc on the board are all tool less and you get the dbug digital code box vs just the little blinking lights. And this kind of money deserves those features standard, I think ROG and the Tichi boards also come standard with the deatures.
I love it when you get excited about the 10G Ethernet on your new motherboard, and then when you plug it in, you realize everything else you have on the network is pre-10G and incapable of that speed!😅
Honestly the ROG CROSSHAIR X870E HERO is better in terms of raw motherboard power, and the AsRock X870 Pro RS is by far the best in value. Just $200 for a current gen chipset on launch! It'll go well with 9600Xs and RX 8600s when RDNA 4 releases.
The Corsshair doesn;t even have a 10GBBe port what is that scam? some older 10G Nases might not even link at 5Gbe, falling back to 1Gbe. I would not consider that at all
why would you care about raw motherboard power for a 9600x When basically all x870 and x670 are overkill for even the 9950x As they were designed for the 7950x (it uses a bit more power than the 9950x) X870 is all about USB4 and pci lanes
Four Onboard M.2 Slots ProArt X870E-Creator WiFi features two PCIe 5.0 M.2 slots to enjoy the fastest data transfers of up to 128 Gbps*, and all M.2 slots support NVMe RAID configurations to take advantage of the latest available speeds.
I havn't checked it, but you can be sure it shares the lanes between the Pcie slots and the m.2 slots. The Hero and Wifi 870E boards both limits you to use their 2'nd Pcie slot (they just have 2 Pcie gen 5 Pcie slots .. not a third gen 4 dependent on how many m.2 slots you use) So if you want to use all 3 m.2 slots this will disable the 2'nd X16 slot .. and using the 4'th M.2 probably will disable the gen 4 x4 slot too. You don't have lanes enough for using everything at the same time. So these boards are kinda of a tease. They got a lot of connectivity, but you can't use everything at once 😐
Thats been the case for the past 10 years or more. My x99 HEDT board with a 40 lane CPU still needs mental gymnastics if I want to use GPU/M.2 and USB3.2 all at the same time. I lose a slot or the x4 goes to x1...
It isn't, because they've put the two main PCI-E slots too close together. Get the Hero so you have the choice of running something alongside your 3 slot 4090, like another 4090.
That is a very good point, even my PNY RTX 4070Ti Verto takes up slightly more than 3 slots, closer to 3.2 slots. This is not just exclusive to Asus, but many of the X870E motherboards from the other manufacturers have a PCIe slot that is rendered useless when a 3 slot video card is inserted. Most of this poor design implementation can be mitigated by a relatively simple design change by swapping out the PCIe slot position with one of the lower M.2 SSD positions.
i have the x670e version and love it, it’s my favourite motherboard. Decent upgrades and minimal downgrades. I do use the 60W usb PD on my case but 30w is enough I guess. While I would probably still get the x670e ProArt for a new pc as it’s cheaper and more or less the same, I’m also really glad they are launching a new version with the new chipset
I heard the x670e version had shard lanes between an m.2 and the usb4 outputs which caused some issues with display output at the limits when also using storage. X870e requires those USB4 to be dedicated.
Question: What is max no. displays (4K @ 60Hz) which can be connected to this board, to be driven from iGPU using 9900X CPU? I understand this board has 1x HDMI and 2x USB 4 (supporting DP over USB). In principle, each USB 4 port could output to two 4K displays @ 60Hz (using an MST USB-C to dual DP adaptor). So I wonder whether it might be possible to drive FOUR, or even FIVE 4K @ 60Hz displays from the iGPU? (of course, another limitation is max no 4K @ 60Hz displays supported by 9900X iGPU itself, I heard this might be a max of FOUR, but unconfirmed?) I am planning new build using Ryzen 9900X and X870/X870E Mobo. Will not be used for gaming, for productivity only. I won’t install a discrete graphics card, will rely only on integrated graphics.
They already have a solution for quick release on the m.2 slots as they implemented that on their gamer focused Crosshair Hero board. No reason they couldn't have implemented it here. And the Hero is $700... so I can only imagine what this costs with all Gen5 m.2 ports and 10Gb Ethernet.
remember the days when used to have power buttons, error codes for debugging, clear cmos button on the IO pannel, oh and maybe a back plate for esthetics or if a solid motherboard satisfies? and you are talking about basic features that if they don't exist then people wouldn't even look at the board, let alone the price.
I wonder what DDR5 memory modules really can be used on this motherboard for 128+ GB with AMD Ryzen 9 9900X CPU? None of the RAM manufacturers still guarantee the compatibility of 4 modules with a total capacity of 128 GB (4x32GB) or more even for Intel's desktop processors...
Please do a video about the loss of the 8 pin power connector on this board vs the x670e creator using two GPUs (bench for speed and stability). That would be a review for creators who use 3D software that uses multiple GPUs and fill all their slots and PCIe lanes with drives.
another important difference between x670e and x870e is the removal of the third pcie power slot that allows for 60w fast charging with the front panel usb-c
I’m beyond pissed because I bought the ProArt X670E two weeks ago and found out it doesn’t truly support 128gb ram. Website support is mediocre at best. I purchased everything ProArt thinking it would work well.
I can't even turn on the expo ram on the 6800 bus since the new bios update for the 9950x, so I'm looking into switching to x870 aorus master or carbon
No post code for a professional? No quick disconnect for the graphics card, a large graphics card will likely cover up the extra PCI slot. This board is missing the little details that other X870e boards have.
So how would this motherbord do with a 9000 series CPU, a NVIDIA RTX Ada Generation GPU and primerely running Solidworks, and some 3d-scanning with post prosessing.
@@theTechNotice thank you very much, I'll always get told that Ryzen dosent work vell with Solidworks so I should go with Intel CPU, but as there currenly are issues with Intels 13000 and 14000 series I would like to try AMD for the first time. Hope I don't regret it, haha.
I think that the best mobo is the X870E Taichi, cause i read that all other X870E mobos cut down the lanes to x8 on the x16 PCIE slot when all the M.2 slots are populated.
@@mycuriouschild That's awesome. I'm also thinking of trying to get a new X870E mobo, because i'm an enthusiast. Currently i have a GIGABYTE X670E AORUS MASTER with a 7950X3D. And what i want is to upgrade to X870E with a 9950X3D when it comes out. And i would really like to get the best mobo for that. But i wonder if there's other X870E mobos like the Taichi which do not cut PCIE lanes, because i have 4 M.2 NVMe SSDs currently on my X670E AORUS MASTER and my mobo does not cut any PCIE lanes. Also i really really like the X870E Taichi and i'm very very tempted to get one cause it also has a backplate and i really like mobos with backplates lol.
Their website says 2 x m.2 G5, 2 x gen 4 (bottom two in the long heatsink = gen 4)? What would that mean (assuming 2 x 4, 2 x 5 is correct) for say, 2 x 4080s (5080s) and then 4 x nvmes in all of the available slots. Where does the hobbling begin (assuming you have fastest possible drives for the slots)?
Some things omitted: the x870e proart is basically a x670e proart. Not much changes apart to two important things: 1. TB4/USB4 support: I believe they went from to ASM4242 to JHL8540 for the usb4 controller. This increase total bandwith from 32gbps to 60gbps (40+20). That's more bandwith, and better usb4 supports (no need to restart the computer when changing tb type devices. 2. WIFI 7. Other than this, that's pretty much the same mobos. the X670e proart might become a very good cost effective version for ryzen computer.
And the CLR CMOS button on the back, no more using screwdriver to short the 2 pins on the motherboard... and the front panel pins area no longer as confusing as the X670E is one long row of pins.. that makes it hard to see it is a connection for front panel.
Well, Hardware Unboxed actually tested the speed of the USB4 ports on the Asus ROG Crosshair X870E Hero (which likely has the same controller as ProArt) and reached a max of 4GB/s transfer speed. So yeah... I doubt it's much faster than X670E's USB4 ports if at all.
@@Nayah9 We don't have the methodology of HW unboxed. The new controllers use more lanes, and ASM4242 supports more bandwith than JHL8540. It really depends on what host controller they used to on the usb4.0 usb device. Examples: 1. ASM2464PD usb controller delivers up to 30 Gbit/s. 2. There is few 10gbe -> TB ethernet adapters, some use sata (IOCREST), limiting the real speed to 6gbps. Hardware unboxed will have to test using a USB controller that can leverage the 40gbps+, and storage (or else) that can support 40+gbps. There is other things that ASM4242 can bring over JHL8540 on x670e (to be confirmed): Hot swappable device doesn't work well on JHL8540, it was recommended to have a restart before you plug devices, and typically TB4 device were not working well (if not at all) when hotswaped. I hope this is fixed with this new iteration of boards.
Regarding the "Advanced IA" I believe it has to do with the BIOS is capable of measuring CPU / RAM / Cooler performance / Temperature / Frequency and suggest or apply custom values automatically. (I have the X870E Strix model and this is what it refers to)
2:30 Jesus, the mobo I bought for 50 dolars back in 2010 when I built my first pc came with this foam. How on earth this can be considered an improvement on a premium board...things really got changed in the motherboard market
I am considering this one, or the ASUS ROG Strix X870E-E GAMING WIFI. Both around the 500 euro's, and no huge differences. So that makes it a hard decision ;-)
My Mac M1 with Thunderbolt 4 is the ultimate Pro Art. I feel a bit sheepish admitting it since I have a soft spot for my PC. But Thunderbolt 4 is a must-have for me. I'd be willing to give up some features on this board just to have Thunderbolt 4. I believe that one of the 670E Pro Art models comes equipped with Thunderbolt 4. It's time for Intel and AMD to catch up with the latest technology trends. I understand that Thunderbolt may not be a top priority for gamers.
I bought Proart X870E and already have Adobe Creative Cloud subscription. How do get my 3 months free code which this Asus Proart comes with? Cant find it on the box.
Is there a micro atx version? I prefer my creator pc to be a bit smaller so it can chill under my desk a bit better. Not itx as thats too small i do need my nvmes n such xD
If my primary display supports power through its primary display cable to charge the device that it is receiving the display from (such as a laptop), will this cause any issues for the motherboard when plugged into this motherboard via the display passthrough/USB4 port? I've used a DisplayPort to USB-C cable to adapt an older PC to my display, and it seemed to work just fine. I'm just not sure if it'd do anything if plugged straight into the MoBo. Thanks!
can you please tell me which one is best for both gaming ( RT on ) and editing in ultra high setting. which CPU is best purchase from ryzen 7 7800x3d, ryzen 9 7900x3d, ryzen 9 9900x, ryzen 7 950x, ( or else please you can advise it no one from the above) love from Delhi
Great video as usual! Also, would this motherboard be the best choice for a 4090 w/ full bandwidth in the PCIE_1 slot and using an elgato capture card in the PCIE_3 slot?
For future reference, putting the price early in the video would be handy so I can understand the price to performance. Excellent video otherwise! Thanks for the info.
Please help me to find the fastest 48+48GB RAM kit which supports AMD EXPO. I bought the X870E but cant find the RAM. I want somethint 6400 Mhz or faster with EXPO. Please help 🙏
Can we put 3 gpus in the 3 pcie slots? (I know the 3rd slot will face bandwidth bottlenecking, but is it doable?) (asking from 3d rendering perspective)
It is frustrating how Thunderbolt 4 is so difficult to get for those who need it. The Thunderbolt 3 Gigabyte Maple Ridge works both my 10 year old Asus X99-A and my AM5 Asus 670e
@@IraQNid You can add in a PCIe DAC that has optical out, but that's not the same as using the Onboard Realtek ALC1220 DAC. Most PCIe and USB DACs don't have the option to enable windows loudness equalization.
Man why does all of gigabytes 870, 870e boards have the Debug led and gpu release button, but on Gigabytes 670 boards only the expensive ones {400plus} have the led Debug and gpu button. i Bought a open box Aorus Master X670e Pro x white motherboard for 200 but it retails at 299,no led Debug,🙁or gpu button release button. Msi is getting with the program and its doing the same as gigabyte with more features than Asus and Asrock on cheaper models. Gigabyte boards offer way more for your money.
@Alex.The.Lionnnnn Two resons: Run two operating systems at the Same time, each with its own gpu. Linux and Windows And yes in the Future running AI on more than one. Can never have enough VRAM. But those are Edge cases the Common User does Not need. In the old days you could Use 2 or more GPUs in Games, but now it is mostly for AI and Rendering, so professional stuff. It is a creator Motherboard after all.
@Alex.The.Lionnnnn yes. Linux as the main one and Windows in a virtual machine running in a separate space in ram which gets one of the GPUs assigned to it.
3 months of Adobe is never free.
And with ASUS? There's no warranty on it, they stated that you CID your product.
After that promo, you can keep a lot of crap in your pc for life! Don’t complain.
Asus mobos = good Asus lappys = bad now u know when not to buy SIMPLE.
Plus anything you create with Adobe can be stolen legally and sold by them with you getting 0 just be Lucky they ain't offering Disney+ Subs those will get you ☠️ and you're family/loved ones won't be able to sue even if it's 100% Disney's Fault.
they are smoking some straight crack these days when they come up with the prices for motherboards
Comparison of ProArt X670E to X870E:
Improvements:
- Wifi 7 instead of Wifi 6E
- Bluetooth 5.4 instead of 5.3
- Third PCIE slot is now connected 4.0x4 instead of 4.0x2
- Wifi connector is now quick-connect
- 80A MOSFETs instead of 50A
Deterioration:
- Front USB-C is only 30 W power delivery instead of 60 W because 6-pin PCIE has been removed
- 12V ARGB connector has been removed
Everything else has remained exactly the same!
A surcharge of around 100 €/$/£ is in no way justified, the X670E has the better price-performance ratio, although the performance is identical except for Wifi/BT.
I think that applies to pretty much for all x870s.
I believe we can add a better RAM support to that list as well.
The extra 12 V power connector below the 24 pin on the 670E is also missing on the new one.
@@theTechNotice Official RAM support is the same.
X670E
RAM-Clock frequency OC: DDR5-8000
RAM-Clock frequency nativ: DDR5-5200 (Ryzen 7000), DDR5-5200 (Ryzen 8000G - Phoenix), DDR5-5200 (Ryzen 8000G - Phoenix2), DDR5-5600 (Ryzen 9000)
X870E
RAM-Clock frequency OC: DDR5-8000
RAM-Clock frequency nativ: DDR5-5200 (Ryzen 7000), DDR5-5200 (Ryzen 8000G - Phoenix), DDR5-5200 (Ryzen 8000G - Phoenix2), DDR5-5600 (Ryzen 9000)
RAM Clock depends on the CPU. not on the mainboard chipset. The X870 chipset is said to be a bit more stable when overclocking, so that you may be able to achieve slightly higher clock speeds with overclocking. But that is not guaranteed.
@@minhtthach7754 Correct, all X870 boards have almost no "improvements"
Imagine shilling for Asus and Adobe still
Why did they remove Thunderbolt support on the AMD motherboards? The B550- ProArt had Thunderbolt 4 ports.
Solid video. I just got mine the other day and can't wait to do my 1st build.
Differences between ProArt X870E and X670E ("+" is upgrade, "=" is sidegrade, "-" is downgrade):
+ WiFi 7 VS 6E.
+ Bluetooth 5.4 VS 5.2.
+ 80A VS 70A power stages.
+ 1st M.2 slot now has a tool-less heatsink and an improved underside heatsink.
+ 1st GPU slot locking mechanism is improved (can have two hands on the GPU for removal now).
+ Clear CMOS now has a button on the I/O shield instead of 2 pins you have to jump on the board.
= WiFi antenna can't be securely screwed into place anymore.
= Number of gen5 M.2 slots is UNCHANGED unlike what is stated in the video (7:02).
= RAM compatibility and max speed is UNCHANGED unlike what is stated in the video (12:15).
= Bottom PCIe 4.0 expansion slot is now x4 VS x2 previously. In return, you have to give up 4 lanes of a PCIe 5.0 expansion slot instead of 2 lanes of a M.2 gen4 slot.
- 12V RGB header removed.
- USB-C front-panel connector supports 30W fast charging VS 60W previously.
You neglected to mention USB4 is now standard - quite important for future proofing. These boards are typically kept longer by content creators than the gaming boards bought by 'kids'. ;-)
@@brianhoward9217 USB4 was already present on the ProArt X670E with exactly the same amount of ports. That's why I didn't mention it.
Other X670E boards also have USB4 ports like the ASUS ROG Crosshair Hero. Only difference now is that all X870E boards must include USB4 ports.
You missed the most crucial difference, which is regarding PCI-E lane distribution. The USB4 ports are now on CPU lanes, so they no longer compete with things connected to the chipset. This is good in some ways, because this type of board was known for IO congestion on the chipset causing issues with dropped USB4 devices etc. However, it also has the consequence of degrading the primary PCI-E x16 slot to x8 if you populate the second M.2 slot, something which did not happen in the Proart X670E. Basically, Proart X670E vs X870E is a choice between prioritizing M.2 storage vs USB4. If you want to run two 5.0 SSDs at full speed without affecting the GPU slot, choose Proart X670E. If you want max USB4 stability and performance without chipset bottlenecks, choose the proart X870E.
@@mettana7448 It is crucial info like this I'm glad and grateful to see. I'm surprised the reviewers don't often explain this in simple language as it is so important and confusing to many. Thank you.
@@Nayah9 "populating the 2nd SSD slot does NOT gimp the primary GPU slot" Where do you think the other lanes came from when they moved the USB4 controllers from the chipset to the CPU? They couldn't just conjure more lanes out of thin air. This has been discussed in detail on various forum threads and Ronin Wilde on UA-cam has a video with the full lane allocation breakdown. Populating M.2_2 and/or PCIE2 will cause PCIE1 to drop to 8x.
Great review. There has been clarification regarding the M.2 slots.
The top two slots (M.2_1 and M.2_2) are directly connected to CPU and are PCI gen5 (in x4 mode). But if you are using Ryzen 8000 series CPU then the M2.2 is not available (it's a CPU limitation). If you are using Ryzen 9000/7000 series CPU and keep in mind that the PCIEX16(gen5)_2 (the middle slot) shares bandwidth with the M.2.2 slot right next to it.
Bottom two slots (M.2_3 and M.2_4) are through the chipset and are available as PCIe gen4 (in x4 mode).
I hope it helps.
The screw driver argument is a weird one. You still need a screwdriver to install the motherboard anyway. Unless your a zip tie guy.
It's not about the initial install. Its about accessibility after the motherboard is installed and your doing upgrades.
These manufacturer need to stop making the components "user friendly". Bring back the seven segment display. On these creator boards.
Like Linus does with CPUs and cooling fans?
Also consider without a magnetic screw driver m.2 screws are a bitch. MB screws aren’t as difficult to maneuver.
@@joelg1318 there is one... its right there.
One m.2 is PCIE 4.0. If you use the third PCIE5 M.2 graphics run at x8. Also, Asus had coil whine issues in idle for their last gen VRM designs, and slight ticking noises for their b550 boards of this class. You would only know that, if you actually make a silent build, so I guess there is no point in asking here for that?
Yeah this video is disappointing... All this repeated talk while still missing key details ffs
"graphics run at x8"
only the 2nd GPU, if you have 2:
"PCIEX16(G5)_2 slot shares bandwidth with M.2_2"
no q-code or onboard power/reset buttons are kind of a deal breaker for me, regardless of the amount of rear i/o. :( no rear armor is kind of annoying, and no optical audio is also odd IMO. Love the USB and 10Gb ethernet port though. I feel like this makes some odd cuts considering it's for creators and considering its price.
I don't know why they didn't just make one of the 3.5mm jacks an optical combo. Still, it's easy enough to add a USB-to-optical audio adapter if you need it. The exclusion of optical on a PC is not the same kind of catastrophe as the exclusion of optical on Xbox. Lack of code readout at this price point is inexcusable.
No optical is a dealbreaker, what is this, a PS5?
I think the ProArt designs are based on Leonardo Da Vinci's basic geometry studies, and precursors to his point of reference and perspective studies...
If you look at other x870E boards like the MSI carbon wifi, all m.2 and expansion slots etc on the board are all tool less and you get the dbug digital code box vs just the little blinking lights. And this kind of money deserves those features standard, I think ROG and the Tichi boards also come standard with the deatures.
It's a shame. I suppose they do it not to cannibalize sales of the high-end ROG.
I love it when you get excited about the 10G Ethernet on your new motherboard, and then when you plug it in, you realize everything else you have on the network is pre-10G and incapable of that speed!😅
This is one of my wanted features as I have 10g home network
Honestly the ROG CROSSHAIR X870E HERO is better in terms of raw motherboard power, and the AsRock X870 Pro RS is by far the best in value. Just $200 for a current gen chipset on launch! It'll go well with 9600Xs and RX 8600s when RDNA 4 releases.
The rear I/O on the Crosshair is nowhere near as good as this ProArt.
Word. Such a scam to cheep out on that 8 pin power connector.
The Corsshair doesn;t even have a 10GBBe port what is that scam? some older 10G Nases might not even link at 5Gbe, falling back to 1Gbe. I would not consider that at all
why would you care about raw motherboard power for a 9600x
When basically all x870 and x670 are overkill for even the 9950x
As they were designed for the 7950x (it uses a bit more power than the 9950x)
X870 is all about USB4 and pci lanes
And ram speeds@@thelbp
I got the ASUS x670 Crosshair Extreme. Definitely good to go for a while
Four Onboard M.2 Slots
ProArt X870E-Creator WiFi features two PCIe 5.0 M.2 slots to enjoy the fastest data transfers of up to 128 Gbps*, and all M.2 slots support NVMe RAID configurations to take advantage of the latest available speeds.
Still the PCI and ATX power connectors are straight up . When are they going to bend them 90 degree on the edges ?
ProArt X670E has the slowest boot of any board I've used as you watch it go through the 4 LEDs for self-checks. I hope the X870E has improved that.
...even with Fast boot enabled.
I havn't checked it, but you can be sure it shares the lanes between the Pcie slots and the m.2 slots. The Hero and Wifi 870E boards both limits you to use their 2'nd Pcie slot (they just have 2 Pcie gen 5 Pcie slots .. not a third gen 4 dependent on how many m.2 slots you use) So if you want to use all 3 m.2 slots this will disable the 2'nd X16 slot .. and using the 4'th M.2 probably will disable the gen 4 x4 slot too. You don't have lanes enough for using everything at the same time. So these boards are kinda of a tease. They got a lot of connectivity, but you can't use everything at once 😐
Thats been the case for the past 10 years or more. My x99 HEDT board with a 40 lane CPU still needs mental gymnastics if I want to use GPU/M.2 and USB3.2 all at the same time. I lose a slot or the x4 goes to x1...
It isn't, because they've put the two main PCI-E slots too close together. Get the Hero so you have the choice of running something alongside your 3 slot 4090, like another 4090.
That is a very good point, even my PNY RTX 4070Ti Verto takes up slightly more than 3 slots, closer to 3.2 slots. This is not just exclusive to Asus, but many of the X870E motherboards from the other manufacturers have a PCIe slot that is rendered useless when a 3 slot video card is inserted. Most of this poor design implementation can be mitigated by a relatively simple design change by swapping out the PCIe slot position with one of the lower M.2 SSD positions.
very true
On Asus site they say that M.2_3 and M.2_4 slots are through the chipset and are PCIe 4.0x4
i have the x670e version and love it, it’s my favourite motherboard. Decent upgrades and minimal downgrades.
I do use the 60W usb PD on my case but 30w is enough I guess.
While I would probably still get the x670e ProArt for a new pc as it’s cheaper and more or less the same, I’m also really glad they are launching a new version with the new chipset
No Thunderbolt 4?
They call this Proart but where is the Thunderbolt 5 like the intel?
May aswell go for ASRock Phantom Gaming X870E Nova WiFi
More features yet still cheaper.
I heard the x670e version had shard lanes between an m.2 and the usb4 outputs which caused some issues with display output at the limits when also using storage. X870e requires those USB4 to be dedicated.
What kind of screwdriver set are you using mate?
Question: What is max no. displays (4K @ 60Hz) which can be connected to this board, to be driven from iGPU using 9900X CPU?
I understand this board has 1x HDMI and 2x USB 4 (supporting DP over USB). In principle, each USB 4 port could output to two 4K displays @ 60Hz (using an MST USB-C to dual DP adaptor). So I wonder whether it might be possible to drive FOUR, or even FIVE 4K @ 60Hz displays from the iGPU?
(of course, another limitation is max no 4K @ 60Hz displays supported by 9900X iGPU itself, I heard this might be a max of FOUR, but unconfirmed?)
I am planning new build using Ryzen 9900X and X870/X870E Mobo. Will not be used for gaming, for productivity only. I won’t install a discrete graphics card, will rely only on integrated graphics.
They already have a solution for quick release on the m.2 slots as they implemented that on their gamer focused Crosshair Hero board. No reason they couldn't have implemented it here. And the Hero is $700... so I can only imagine what this costs with all Gen5 m.2 ports and 10Gb Ethernet.
remember the days when used to have power buttons, error codes for debugging, clear cmos button on the IO pannel, oh and maybe a back plate for esthetics or if a solid motherboard satisfies? and you are talking about basic features that if they don't exist then people wouldn't even look at the board, let alone the price.
Solid review. Thanks!
I wonder what DDR5 memory modules really can be used on this motherboard for 128+ GB with AMD Ryzen 9 9900X CPU? None of the RAM manufacturers still guarantee the compatibility of 4 modules with a total capacity of 128 GB (4x32GB) or more even for Intel's desktop processors...
So you have a chapter about the price without saying how much the price is 😂👍
Please do a video about the loss of the 8 pin power connector on this board vs the x670e creator using two GPUs (bench for speed and stability).
That would be a review for creators who use 3D software that uses multiple GPUs and fill all their slots and PCIe lanes with drives.
another important difference between x670e and x870e is the removal of the third pcie power slot that allows for 60w fast charging with the front panel usb-c
I’m beyond pissed because I bought the ProArt X670E two weeks ago and found out it doesn’t truly support 128gb ram. Website support is mediocre at best. I purchased everything ProArt thinking it would work well.
Best beta would be X2 48gb ram I tried X4 16gb. And worked most of the time without overclocking. But still unstable.
Not all proart fault, Ryzen 7000 doesn't like large capacity fast RAM....
I've built a system with the ProArt X670E, Ryzen 7950X3D, and 128GB of RAM
I can't even turn on the expo ram on the 6800 bus since the new bios update for the 9950x, so I'm looking into switching to x870 aorus master or carbon
@@KeithRiceWhat are the RAM Specs? I’m using Corsair Vengence AMD Expo 6000 Mhz. I’m curious what speed your ram is running at? Thanks!
No optical audi? 😢😮
No post code for a professional? No quick disconnect for the graphics card, a large graphics card will likely cover up the extra PCI slot. This board is missing the little details that other X870e boards have.
What happened to the xps 16 versus p16 versus studiobook creators comparison video? I refuse to like any new video until that one is out :)
coming out tomorrow! :)
@@theTechNotice thanks. tomorrow I will like this and that video :)
So how would this motherbord do with a 9000 series CPU, a NVIDIA RTX Ada Generation GPU and primerely running Solidworks, and some 3d-scanning with post prosessing.
Is do very well!
@@theTechNotice thank you very much, I'll always get told that Ryzen dosent work vell with Solidworks so I should go with Intel CPU, but as there currenly are issues with Intels 13000 and 14000 series I would like to try AMD for the first time. Hope I don't regret it, haha.
Thanks for this review.
I think that the best mobo is the X870E Taichi, cause i read that all other X870E mobos cut down the lanes to x8 on the x16 PCIE slot when all the M.2 slots are populated.
@@Gielderst got the lite version.. but have to wait 10 days 🙄
@@mycuriouschild That's awesome. I'm also thinking of trying to get a new X870E mobo, because i'm an enthusiast.
Currently i have a GIGABYTE X670E AORUS MASTER with a 7950X3D. And what i want is to upgrade to X870E with a 9950X3D when it comes out. And i would really like to get the best mobo for that. But i wonder if there's other X870E mobos like the Taichi which do not cut PCIE lanes, because i have 4 M.2 NVMe SSDs currently on my X670E AORUS MASTER and my mobo does not cut any PCIE lanes. Also i really really like the X870E Taichi and i'm very very tempted to get one cause it also has a backplate and i really like mobos with backplates lol.
No backplate for me😢 , no rgb and quickrelease for gpu. 75 bucks cheaper...
Still not buying ASUS ever again. Great video because I love your content!
Their website says 2 x m.2 G5, 2 x gen 4 (bottom two in the long heatsink = gen 4)? What would that mean (assuming 2 x 4, 2 x 5 is correct) for say, 2 x 4080s (5080s) and then 4 x nvmes in all of the available slots. Where does the hobbling begin (assuming you have fastest possible drives for the slots)?
Do I miss the LED warning part ????? That should be on any Mboard. ??
0:16 not really answered in the entire video (!)
Some things omitted: the x870e proart is basically a x670e proart. Not much changes apart to two important things:
1. TB4/USB4 support: I believe they went from to ASM4242 to JHL8540 for the usb4 controller. This increase total bandwith from 32gbps to 60gbps (40+20). That's more bandwith, and better usb4 supports (no need to restart the computer when changing tb type devices.
2. WIFI 7.
Other than this, that's pretty much the same mobos. the X670e proart might become a very good cost effective version for ryzen computer.
And the CLR CMOS button on the back, no more using screwdriver to short the 2 pins on the motherboard... and the front panel pins area no longer as confusing as the X670E is one long row of pins.. that makes it hard to see it is a connection for front panel.
Well, Hardware Unboxed actually tested the speed of the USB4 ports on the Asus ROG Crosshair X870E Hero (which likely has the same controller as ProArt) and reached a max of 4GB/s transfer speed. So yeah... I doubt it's much faster than X670E's USB4 ports if at all.
@@Nayah9
We don't have the methodology of HW unboxed. The new controllers use more lanes, and ASM4242 supports more bandwith than JHL8540.
It really depends on what host controller they used to on the usb4.0 usb device.
Examples:
1. ASM2464PD usb controller delivers up to 30 Gbit/s.
2. There is few 10gbe -> TB ethernet adapters, some use sata (IOCREST), limiting the real speed to 6gbps.
Hardware unboxed will have to test using a USB controller that can leverage the 40gbps+, and storage (or else) that can support 40+gbps.
There is other things that ASM4242 can bring over JHL8540 on x670e (to be confirmed): Hot swappable device doesn't work well on JHL8540, it was recommended to have a restart before you plug devices, and typically TB4 device were not working well (if not at all) when hotswaped. I hope this is fixed with this new iteration of boards.
only 8 usbs for that price???
Regarding the "Advanced IA" I believe it has to do with the BIOS is capable of measuring CPU / RAM / Cooler performance / Temperature / Frequency and suggest or apply custom values automatically. (I have the X870E Strix model and this is what it refers to)
Are there going to be any X870E ASUS BTF Motherboards?!?!?!
2:30 Jesus, the mobo I bought for 50 dolars back in 2010 when I built my first pc came with this foam. How on earth this can be considered an improvement on a premium board...things really got changed in the motherboard market
I am considering this one, or the ASUS ROG Strix X870E-E GAMING WIFI. Both around the 500 euro's, and no huge differences. So that makes it a hard decision ;-)
I'm getting the ASUS for better audio.
I went for the Strix, but these are both nice bords. Also the MSI Carbon, around the same price. I am not using the onboard audio myself.
4:37 does it mean you cannot control AIO pump via bios?
Not on that header :)
Excellent overview
Hello Lauri and thanks a lot for your video.
Our ProArt x870e is on the way to pair with 9950x. Do I need to update Bios for 9950x?
My Mac M1 with Thunderbolt 4 is the ultimate Pro Art. I feel a bit sheepish admitting it since I have a soft spot for my PC. But Thunderbolt 4 is a must-have for me. I'd be willing to give up some features on this board just to have Thunderbolt 4. I believe that one of the 670E Pro Art models comes equipped with Thunderbolt 4. It's time for Intel and AMD to catch up with the latest technology trends. I understand that Thunderbolt may not be a top priority for gamers.
You can buy Thunderbolt 4 PCIe card and plug it into PCIe slot. In this way you can use thunderbolt at a cos of one pcie slot
@ThePawel36 There is no tb header but USB4 runs kinda like TB3 which might be enough for me.
@@TheBsmit233 Right. You need header for Tb not only PCIe.
Thunderbolt 5 is on the Intel.
Thinking about this or the MSI MPG X870E pleae give me your take. Doing some gaming and photo editing
Hey Tech, I have RX7900XTX, and want a great AMD CPU + Motherboard for editing. What should I get?
I bought Proart X870E and already have Adobe Creative Cloud subscription. How do get my 3 months free code which this Asus Proart comes with? Cant find it on the box.
I hate that they removed the optional out on the x670 and this one. LIke why are we going backwards in audio?
I'm not a creator, but I love this design. I game but don't overclock, is this OK for me? Or is the X670 just fine because of what I mentioned?
Is there a list of compatible air coolers for CPU?
does the usb 4 support any thunderbolt devices didnt see the little lighting symbol on them?
it shares its lanes with the GPU when you fill the m.2 slots
Is there a micro atx version? I prefer my creator pc to be a bit smaller so it can chill under my desk a bit better. Not itx as thats too small i do need my nvmes n such xD
If my primary display supports power through its primary display cable to charge the device that it is receiving the display from (such as a laptop), will this cause any issues for the motherboard when plugged into this motherboard via the display passthrough/USB4 port? I've used a DisplayPort to USB-C cable to adapt an older PC to my display, and it seemed to work just fine. I'm just not sure if it'd do anything if plugged straight into the MoBo. Thanks!
can you please tell me which one is best for both gaming ( RT on ) and editing in ultra high setting. which CPU is best purchase from ryzen 7 7800x3d, ryzen 9 7900x3d, ryzen 9 9900x, ryzen 7 950x,
( or else please you can advise it no one from the above)
love from Delhi
Great video as usual! Also, would this motherboard be the best choice for a 4090 w/ full bandwidth in the PCIE_1 slot and using an elgato capture card in the PCIE_3 slot?
Yes, absolutely
@@theTechNotice out of curiosity, is it the only X670/X870 series motherboard that has that ability without limiting the gpu to x8?
For future reference, putting the price early in the video would be handy so I can understand the price to performance. Excellent video otherwise! Thanks for the info.
not all of the m.2 slots on this motherboard are pcie gen5, the top two are, the bottom two are pcie gen4
What memory do you guys recommend for this mobo for gaming?
Please help me to find the fastest 48+48GB RAM kit which supports AMD EXPO. I bought the X870E but cant find the RAM. I want somethint 6400 Mhz or faster with EXPO. Please help 🙏
Did I miss the price? How much is it
5:00 - this is like an Intel header for those who weren't sure about AMD choice xD
🤣🤣
when 9000 series review for creators ?
When a build with the Pro WS WRX90E-SAGE with a 96 cores cpu?
Can you sugest Budget AMD motherboard for creator please.
Which type of ram can I install (Ryzen 9 9950X Win 10 Pro) if I want the maximum of 192 GB (4x48 GB...frequency?)? Thanks
Will this run the DDR5 with the Clock Chip on board?
Can we put 3 gpus in the 3 pcie slots? (I know the 3rd slot will face bandwidth bottlenecking, but is it doable?) (asking from 3d rendering perspective)
Guys, i bought the Asus x670 pro art. Do you use armory crate? I feel like it makes my pc so laggy
Thank you Lauri.
It is frustrating how Thunderbolt 4 is so difficult to get for those who need it.
The Thunderbolt 3 Gigabyte Maple Ridge works both my 10 year old Asus X99-A and my AM5 Asus 670e
Yeah but who needs all of that for todays CPUs?Meaning, doesn't a MBs for 1/2 the cost deliver the same performance
It a really good board, but with this price tag a backplate and a post error display is a must.
Somebody knows where to find the block model for this motherboard? Asus manual not included
I prefer the look of the proart to the strix e, but the downside is that there are only 3 USB Type-c ports, and it's 1 m.2 less
That board lacks something as basic as an optical out audio port or header.
Use one of the expansion slots to add it.
@@IraQNid You can add in a PCIe DAC that has optical out, but that's not the same as using the Onboard Realtek ALC1220 DAC. Most PCIe and USB DACs don't have the option to enable windows loudness equalization.
Was there an X770E ?
No, they went to a higher sounding number to make the gap, numerically, seem less to Intel's Z890. True story.
No digital error codes?!
pcie5 x8 on a x16 slot is not the same as pcie4 x16 because it has half of the wiring
Is there bluetooth?
Man why does all of gigabytes 870, 870e boards have the Debug led and gpu release button, but on Gigabytes 670 boards only the expensive ones {400plus} have the led Debug and gpu button. i Bought a open box Aorus Master X670e Pro x white motherboard for 200 but it retails at 299,no led Debug,🙁or gpu button release button. Msi is getting with the program and its doing the same as gigabyte with more features than Asus and Asrock on cheaper models. Gigabyte boards offer way more for your money.
eClock ?
If it's using #2 Phillips it shouldn't be a problem for anyone.
Link to the price is in the description of this video.
“They didn’t use to have this foamy stuff to protect the backside…”. They did. And back then high end motherboards cost 90 bucks.
Best motherboard without debug code?
Ahhh another needlessly expensive motherboard for almost zero gain.
If you only Put in one gpu and nothing else, yes.
I want to put in 2 GPUs.
@DragoMorke what for? Computational stuff I don't understand? How can you use 2 gpus?
@Alex.The.Lionnnnn
Two resons: Run two operating systems at the Same time, each with its own gpu. Linux and Windows
And yes in the Future running AI on more than one. Can never have enough VRAM.
But those are Edge cases the Common User does Not need.
In the old days you could Use 2 or more GPUs in Games, but now it is mostly for AI and Rendering, so professional stuff.
It is a creator Motherboard after all.
@DragoMorke I knew you could run multiple back in the day....
OK multiple OSs at the same time?
@Alex.The.Lionnnnn yes.
Linux as the main one and Windows in a virtual machine running in a separate space in ram which gets one of the GPUs assigned to it.