@@lemsdk17 One would think so? I have not tried to dial down to 6000. But I know that my 8400 which I am unable to run higher than 7400 I at least compared to XMP run better timings than other 7200 kits. It would make sense as its higher bin ram. BUT does it scale several thousand mhz lower!? Good question. I often think of this but always if you listen online the "experts" always agree that bandwith over latency?! I always run the highest bandwith possible in this case I am limited to 7400 being a 4 dimm board. But Because the RAM is 8400 I can run very agressivbe timmings. Giving a great combo of both. A comparision is that my RAM at 7400 with my timings run quite a bit faster with VEYR lower latency compared to if I set them to XMP 8000 which I can run bench and what not its just not stable for gaming due to motherboard technical limitations.
Jufes gets the media kit package??!! finally boys!! Top brands recognizing him and his community. way more deserving than any other channel! Cant wait to upgrade my 12900k 😁😁
Just wanted to say that, it was/is also DDR4 issues with Raptor Lake as well as DDR5. I only recently finally found out what the issue to my new build is and it was a 13700k that refused to post w two dimms of DDR4 on a z690 STRIX A. Thought the issue was the board for the longest time but found out it is the CPU afterall. Anyway, my point is that Raptor Lake has RAM memory issues and not just a 'DDR5' thing. Love that you're growing, dude! Peeps better recognize! Keep it up!
I’m not trying to argue with you man, but just because your CPU was faulty doesn’t mean all raptor Lake CPU’s have DDR4 issues. What you just described is extremely rare with Intel. (I’ve had 3 AMD CPUs crap out a Memory Channel)
Try an older bios version with microcode 10e or 15. My ddr4 is not stable with latest bios versions unless i downclock it. But with version 10e and 15 i can run them at 4133mhz cl15 g1 without any issue and my cpu voltage is below 1.394v when using the older microcode bios. With the newer versions it runs at 1.52v
@@JoeLegionTV No worries but I think you may have misunderstood. I'm not trying to shit on Raptor Lake. I was just responding to the video when he insinuated that the majority of the Raptor Lake problems are DDR5 related when its memory in general, is all. Just so you know, I tested my 13700k with 2 other boards (Asrock rs pro d/4 and Aorus z790 Pro x w 2 different DDR5 sticks) and it wouldn't post w 2 sticks but as soon as I threw in a borrowed 12700k every board with any RAM worked. Intel just replied with RMA instructions today for a 13700k replacement.
@@jewelersofwhale Hmm this is interesting to know, thank you! I have the T-Force Extreems CL 14 @3600 and unfortunately, they require at least 1.40 v in XMP so that does tend to be a pia at times.
Bro! Come on.. I have the same chip and even IF there is a AMD X3D something out there that can perform depending on usecase! 10% more frames this does not mean your KS is crap or obsolete! And while I acknowledge it can have a high powerdraw this is only in child benchmark like Cinebench. In normal use or gaming you would not really notice the difference if compared to a X3D cpu. it would litterly be a waste of money to change and say your KS is obsolete! It just does not makes sense what you say. At this point in time I would argue that 13900K(s) and 14900K(s) does NOT have a reasonable path to upgrade! The i285K has failed and the X3D cpu (being the 9800) are 10% faster in 1080p non v sync games. I play 4K some the difference does not matter that much. BUT either way AMD or Intel you would be looking at a upgrade of CPU and mainboard and perhaps RAM if you seek CU dimm... this path would cost THOUSANDS of dollars to give 10-15% in SOME games or if 285k mostly lower FPS! But pay attention that the 9800 X3D gets NUKED in everything ELSE than gaming by the older Intel CPUS. Theres just no way a 8c/16t outperforms the 24c/32t. So there are NO reasonable path to upgrade for you and if you do you would loose in oher aress not to mention that cost of upgrade would be ridicolous based on results. I have hears from several users that the X3D including this "youtuber" in this video (who change oppinion very often) that having a X3D is great for gaming but ALL else it sucks! Browsing, Windows, file compression, shader compile and what not it woudl be significant SLOWER. But if you ONLY game.. sure! But againg this is a Intel review and I can tell you right here.. the i285K does NOT deliver! In most cases its slower that your current CPU in game. Yes productivity it shines and Cinebench runs lol! But I was once fooled by this high speed ram shit that I learned my lession. This does not make a real world difference! Going from 6000 to 8000 mhz memory spending a lot of money gave me nothing other than some benchmark numbers.. I was actually verty disappointed by the difference. But if you wanna burn money or something you should AT LEAST wait for Intels next gen which could use same socket. The ram is NOT worth it and the 285K disappoints.
A lot of duplicated waffle. The tech term for "clock re-driver" is clock buffer. No reason why it cant be used with older motherboards, you dont need to bypass the clock buffer.
Adding non-standard configurations like x12 could complicate the board layout to ensure signal integrity and minimize interference. It would lead to increased manufacturing complexity and potential compatibility issues with cards as well.
The excitement that runs through me when I see the ‘Jufus has a new video posted’ notification, is unprecedented! Been hoping for you to have a look at this board and cannot wait for the in depth review on this one. Now I’m super curious as to when I can get me a set of CU DIMM Trident Z5 RGB 8000Mhz dimms.. Thanks again! 👍
No RGB, c'mon!! I'm really excited to see the rest results on those memory sticks. I wonder if you got crazy high binning for the sticks. With your fafo skills I'm sure the outcome is going to be very informative.
GOAT Glad to see you receive the media kit package and be acknowledged for your insight! Much needed review from someone who can give REAL detail! Thank you again 👏
I bought 2 of the Ryujin iii. 1st didn’t come with the screws. Return. 2nd was defective and pump was not making normal amounts of noise… Either their stuff works or it doesn’t. Like a lottery. I gave up. Done with ASUS.
I plan on being in the market for upgrades next year and I'm angry nothing is beating 14900k. I might just build a 14900k system and wait for Griffin Cove with no E cores.
Curious, would a 5090 benefit from 16 lanes over 8 lanes of pcie gen 5? Wondering if you could buy a Z790 that will split the 16 available gen 5 lanes; 8 to the GPU and then use the other 8 (or 4) for a Gen 5 NVME, and have no loss in performance due to the 5090 going down to 8 lanes? That way you could have a Gen 5 NVME and a 5090 both running at full capability? Or would the 8 gen 5 lanes have a drawback on the 5090 performance?
Saw the CKD last month on 6400 SPD Hynix A Die with part number HMCG78AHBCA313N AA CoolEnjoy a Korean site said about the all green OEM sticks "6400 Spinach was good. The spinach is fresh, but it has something that looks like beans that I've never seen before." The bean being the part Jufes had shown on his Fury stick
I was looking at the 8000 on Kingston and I don't like that they don't have any straight up black dimms. Also... would love to see a comparison with that new ROG III 360 AIO versus the new NZXT 2024 Kraken Elite 360
This new platform is probably a godsend for you jufes. If you put the time in and learn all the ins and outs of all 30 of those clocks and voltages you can get some really tweaked and unique bundles made. Plus consults out the anus. More switches they give you the better as far as your business goes, gonna be epic, especially with the on chip full voltage control.
So we have 2 new DDR5 versions: CUDIMM and CAMM2. Which one is supposed to be most geared towards top-end performance? Are they going to compete with eachother? Are there going to be different versions of the same motherboard in order to support each?
I would still take an apex encore, a 14900k, a kid of 8000-8200mhz cl38, tuned to cl36 over the new core ulta, plus any speed of faster new ram and a new board. Remember I posted here thatthe Core Ultra's would not outperform a 13th-14th gen i9 especially a tuned/tamed one... I kind of saw the first two batches of ES chips and the for retail sample cpu. A big meh honesxtly...
btw, is a 12900K a lot worse than the 13900K and 14900K ??? because the difference in price between these processors is INSANE in my country, the 12900K is within reach, the other 2 are around the price of a Ryzen 9 7900X in my country (Argentina).
ddr5 only works 100% if you cpu supports it Max. Memory Size 192 GB Max. Memory Speed DDR4 - 3200 / DDR5 - 5600MHz Max. Memory Channels 2 (Dual Channel) this is the i9 14900k
Dropping the graphics slot from 16 to 8 would be virtually impossible to tell in any game. The memory slots have shorter pin length that's why they supposedly offer better speeds IMHO questionable two slot memory on a mother board is always superior IMHO. Some of your explanations were particularly good and helpful for people new to computing (chipset use in particular) others were at times inaccurate. It's not a chiplet design it's a layer design. The memory training does exactly what it says thus the 5-6-hour timescale. The CU Dimm's have a clock driver on them to provide clock signals throughout the electronic circuit. Will you need extra cooling for the memory answer no
I am trying to figure out why someone would buy this kit when Trident is already making a DDR5 8400 CL40 kit 1.4v, which beats this CUDIMM in every way.
Same board....accepts 32gb modules in pairs...add all 4 and error 15 on LED...newest bios. CORSAIR VENGEANCE RGB DDR5 64GB (2x32GB) DDR5 6000MHz CL40 AMD EXPO
I feel like the 24gb stuff runs about has hot as 16gb a die I have no active cooling on dual rank a die and they sticks only get up to 55c. Well on one of my sticks the temp sensor glitches out and goes to 3550c but the hotter of my 2 sticks goes to 55c at 1.44v
Correction to the video, the 8 pin PCIE connector beside the 24pin is not for the NVME power, it’s for the PD charging of the USB-C connector
Yup, exactly lke on the Z790 Hero.. same same
Would a 8000mhz rated ram kit be able to hit better timings in say 6000mhz than a 6000mhz rated ram kit?
@@lemsdk17 i think yes
@@lemsdk17 One would think so? I have not tried to dial down to 6000. But I know that my 8400 which I am unable to run higher than 7400 I at least compared to XMP run better timings than other 7200 kits. It would make sense as its higher bin ram. BUT does it scale several thousand mhz lower!? Good question. I often think of this but always if you listen online the "experts" always agree that bandwith over latency?! I always run the highest bandwith possible in this case I am limited to 7400 being a 4 dimm board. But Because the RAM is 8400 I can run very agressivbe timmings. Giving a great combo of both. A comparision is that my RAM at 7400 with my timings run quite a bit faster with VEYR lower latency compared to if I set them to XMP 8000 which I can run bench and what not its just not stable for gaming due to motherboard technical limitations.
He thought Asus didn't know who he was when he bought half the Apex boards ever made 😂.
Sold em all too ✌🏻
@@FrameChasers They wouldn't if it wasn't for you, right? :) 🤝
Let's be honest, DDR5 has been a FAFO journey for both blue and red teams. I'm glad both X870(E) and Z890 chipsets address the issue.
The introduction of CUDIMM, the updates to stability, and many many mistakes were made to make this happen. 😂
For us the tweakers this is gonna be a GOLD platform.
Jufes gets the media kit package??!! finally boys!! Top brands recognizing him and his community. way more deserving than any other channel!
Cant wait to upgrade my 12900k 😁😁
i'm excited to upgrade my 3900x. and it is cool that he got this.
Just wanted to say that, it was/is also DDR4 issues with Raptor Lake as well as DDR5. I only recently finally found out what the issue to my new build is and it was a 13700k that refused to post w two dimms of DDR4 on a z690 STRIX A. Thought the issue was the board for the longest time but found out it is the CPU afterall. Anyway, my point is that Raptor Lake has RAM memory issues and not just a 'DDR5' thing.
Love that you're growing, dude! Peeps better recognize! Keep it up!
I’m not trying to argue with you man, but just because your CPU was faulty doesn’t mean all raptor Lake CPU’s have DDR4 issues. What you just described is extremely rare with Intel. (I’ve had 3 AMD CPUs crap out a Memory Channel)
Huh?
Lmfao...
Try an older bios version with microcode 10e or 15.
My ddr4 is not stable with latest bios versions unless i downclock it. But with version 10e and 15 i can run them at 4133mhz cl15 g1 without any issue and my cpu voltage is below 1.394v when using the older microcode bios. With the newer versions it runs at 1.52v
@@JoeLegionTV No worries but I think you may have misunderstood. I'm not trying to shit on Raptor Lake. I was just responding to the video when he insinuated that the majority of the Raptor Lake problems are DDR5 related when its memory in general, is all.
Just so you know, I tested my 13700k with 2 other boards (Asrock rs pro d/4 and Aorus z790 Pro x w 2 different DDR5 sticks) and it wouldn't post w 2 sticks but as soon as I threw in a borrowed 12700k every board with any RAM worked. Intel just replied with RMA instructions today for a 13700k replacement.
@@jewelersofwhale Hmm this is interesting to know, thank you! I have the T-Force Extreems CL 14 @3600 and unfortunately, they require at least 1.40 v in XMP so that does tend to be a pia at times.
Dude so much needed detail. especially the M.2 breakdown. Your making it easy to follow you and your videos! Thanks
You’re seem so excited I’m happy for you congratulations 🎉🎉🎉
Great video! Yeah that Z890 Hero looks amazing!
Waiting for your E-core disabled, "max" overclocked 285K review. You're one of the only reviewers I trust for real-world-representative results.
relax. The platform just came out. Give Intel some time bro.
11:29 That lint ball is going to keep you from posting 😛
My cat walked by and I had to take a break to pet her 🥹
Glad to have waited a while for DDR5 to see some nice maturation. Late stage B -die on DDR4 was pure chill.
The m.2 slot capacity is nice, now we just need a cheap version that has this many slots
Can't wait to upgrade my obsolete 14900ks
Huh?
They are being sarcastic
Lol
Bro! Come on.. I have the same chip and even IF there is a AMD X3D something out there that can perform depending on usecase! 10% more frames this does not mean your KS is crap or obsolete! And while I acknowledge it can have a high powerdraw this is only in child benchmark like Cinebench. In normal use or gaming you would not really notice the difference if compared to a X3D cpu. it would litterly be a waste of money to change and say your KS is obsolete! It just does not makes sense what you say. At this point in time I would argue that 13900K(s) and 14900K(s) does NOT have a reasonable path to upgrade! The i285K has failed and the X3D cpu (being the 9800) are 10% faster in 1080p non v sync games. I play 4K some the difference does not matter that much. BUT either way AMD or Intel you would be looking at a upgrade of CPU and mainboard and perhaps RAM if you seek CU dimm... this path would cost THOUSANDS of dollars to give 10-15% in SOME games or if 285k mostly lower FPS! But pay attention that the 9800 X3D gets NUKED in everything ELSE than gaming by the older Intel CPUS. Theres just no way a 8c/16t outperforms the 24c/32t. So there are NO reasonable path to upgrade for you and if you do you would loose in oher aress not to mention that cost of upgrade would be ridicolous based on results. I have hears from several users that the X3D including this "youtuber" in this video (who change oppinion very often) that having a X3D is great for gaming but ALL else it sucks! Browsing, Windows, file compression, shader compile and what not it woudl be significant SLOWER. But if you ONLY game.. sure! But againg this is a Intel review and I can tell you right here.. the i285K does NOT deliver! In most cases its slower that your current CPU in game. Yes productivity it shines and Cinebench runs lol! But I was once fooled by this high speed ram shit that I learned my lession. This does not make a real world difference! Going from 6000 to 8000 mhz memory spending a lot of money gave me nothing other than some benchmark numbers.. I was actually verty disappointed by the difference. But if you wanna burn money or something you should AT LEAST wait for Intels next gen which could use same socket. The ram is NOT worth it and the 285K disappoints.
@@lassekristensen385I bought already rog x870e hero & 9800x3d
A lot of duplicated waffle. The tech term for "clock re-driver" is clock buffer. No reason why it cant be used with older motherboards, you dont need to bypass the clock buffer.
finally shaved the dome , It looks great
Bro where the HELL are you? the whole f. overclocking community is waiting for you
He's still tuning his 285k under chiller and can't understand why it's inferior to 14900k
Adding non-standard configurations like x12 could complicate the board layout to ensure signal integrity and minimize interference. It would lead to increased manufacturing complexity and potential compatibility issues with cards as well.
V-COLOR Manta XFinity RGB DDR5 48GB (24GBx2) 8600MHz CL40 1.45V CU-DIMM works straight from the box. Z890 Maximus Hero XMP 2
Your explanation is very thorough, learning a lot from you :)
It's "Eat you're cake, and have it too".
"you can have your cake and eat it too and have a second breakfast after" loved that part haha! Great review!
The excitement that runs through me when I see the ‘Jufus has a new video posted’ notification, is unprecedented! Been hoping for you to have a look at this board and cannot wait for the in depth review on this one. Now I’m super curious as to when I can get me a set of CU DIMM Trident Z5 RGB 8000Mhz dimms.. Thanks again! 👍
audio level up as well - sounds mint, man. ❤
Yessss someone noticed!! Thank you
Media kit my mans is moving up in the world. Congrats bra.
No RGB, c'mon!! I'm really excited to see the rest results on those memory sticks. I wonder if you got crazy high binning for the sticks. With your fafo skills I'm sure the outcome is going to be very informative.
GOAT Glad to see you receive the media kit package and be acknowledged for your insight! Much needed review from someone who can give REAL detail! Thank you again 👏
Excellent review, answering questions I had as I was thinking of them!
This hero board is very interesting... Great job with your examples of usage.
:0 mans becoming tech reviewer with media package, nice!
do we know if CUDIMMs will be supported on X870? i wonmder how it benefits the platform
Loved the video mate, you scored a new sub 😊
I bought 2 of the Ryujin iii. 1st didn’t come with the screws. Return. 2nd was defective and pump was not making normal amounts of noise… Either their stuff works or it doesn’t. Like a lottery. I gave up. Done with ASUS.
Nothing is better than the GPU box artworks
Do remember; the sample you've been sent is a sampled/tested motherboard handpicked by ASUS. Please do another video with the consumer version.
Jufes is a legend! Awesome video!
Can't wait to see this on AM5. Hopefully the platform is not hard locked to like 8k or something and 9-12k is possible
Thanks for the video!!! 👍
Very well done. I subscribed and looking forward to the review of this board that I am considering to purchase.
Very cool!! So happy for you man.
And as always, excellent review 🫡
You go Ivan, keep it real man. 👍
I do love more the peripherals then actually the new cpus and gpus
8:35 That is REALLY cool!
Would you consider this over the z790 apex
12:04 I'm def most ppl. I just slap the legos together, keep my fire extinguisher on hand and cross my fingers when I hit the power button.
Is the Core Ultra 285k review coming out soon? Its already a bloodbath in most of the reviews out there.
I really hope this socket will be supported for the next gen
today's the day! thinking how this could improve Resolume workflows
Nice video. Good job buddy
I learn more from Your videos than i learned from 1000 articles xD
I plan on being in the market for upgrades next year and I'm angry nothing is beating 14900k. I might just build a 14900k system and wait for Griffin Cove with no E cores.
Well done Asus for getting FC the media pack :) !!!TRUTH!!!
So do we pull the trigger or not for gaming? if you know what i mean... :D!!
What's in the box.. WHAT'S IN THE BOX!?!?!
It'd be interesting to see if the new CU-DIMMs can run at full speed with all 4 slots populated instead of just 2.
Really looking hearing forward to 4 DIMM speeds on this board.
Game time!
Bought this board, knowing i wont use half the features ever.
Unbiased. Accurate. Detailed. And he knows his shit in the discord.
Curious, would a 5090 benefit from 16 lanes over 8 lanes of pcie gen 5?
Wondering if you could buy a Z790 that will split the 16 available gen 5 lanes; 8 to the GPU and then use the other 8 (or 4) for a Gen 5 NVME, and have no loss in performance due to the 5090 going down to 8 lanes? That way you could have a Gen 5 NVME and a 5090 both running at full capability? Or would the 8 gen 5 lanes have a drawback on the 5090 performance?
We made it boys.
Still no special treatment
Jufes wsg! How's about dropping an affiliate link for the slimSAS pcie adapter. Never know could be a margin booster! TY
that good ol top exhaust
Saw the CKD last month on 6400 SPD Hynix A Die with part number HMCG78AHBCA313N AA
CoolEnjoy a Korean site said about the all green OEM sticks
"6400 Spinach was good. The spinach is fresh, but it has something that looks like beans that I've never seen before."
The bean being the part Jufes had shown on his Fury stick
U doing a dam food job on ur channel 😊
I leave it just with first gen ddr5 sticks on AM5.. CL30 6000Mhz.. If its getting to slow for Zen6 upgrade. Then always could buy an x3d cpu instead.
I was looking at the 8000 on Kingston and I don't like that they don't have any straight up black dimms.
Also... would love to see a comparison with that new ROG III 360 AIO versus the new NZXT 2024 Kraken Elite 360
oh shit nice jufes !
I wish it’s an apex instead of a hero in your review kit.
I actually have a question. What means that for example M2 takes PCI lanes from GPU. Does GPU works slower with more m2?
This new platform is probably a godsend for you jufes. If you put the time in and learn all the ins and outs of all 30 of those clocks and voltages you can get some really tweaked and unique bundles made. Plus consults out the anus. More switches they give you the better as far as your business goes, gonna be epic, especially with the on chip full voltage control.
So we have 2 new DDR5 versions: CUDIMM and CAMM2. Which one is supposed to be most geared towards top-end performance? Are they going to compete with eachother? Are there going to be different versions of the same motherboard in order to support each?
Surprised pikachu face DDR5 finally working
Are u going to do asus z890 apex review soon ? 😊
How do I buy the dumb box like the one u got?
Get's cool toy in a box,
Likes the toys but prefers the box.
Jufus is a cat! 🐈
I would still take an apex encore, a 14900k, a kid of 8000-8200mhz cl38, tuned to cl36 over the new core ulta, plus any speed of faster new ram and a new board. Remember I posted here thatthe Core Ultra's would not outperform a 13th-14th gen i9 especially a tuned/tamed one... I kind of saw the first two batches of ES chips and the for retail sample cpu.
A big meh honesxtly...
Can you pass a message to ROG to provide this package in their shops. Please and thanks!
I will tell them, I think it’s a good idea too
I thought CUDIMMs allowed for better voltages, 1.4 is like standard UDIMMs.
dude, the video restarted on his logo 4 times in a row before i noticed. I thought you were messing with us
i dont like how they made the new cpus weaker then the 14900ks man like wtf
btw, is a 12900K a lot worse than the 13900K and 14900K ??? because the difference in price between these processors is INSANE in my country, the 12900K is within reach, the other 2 are around the price of a Ryzen 9 7900X in my country (Argentina).
Im a biiiig fan from sweden. I bought your course. And im wondering if you can do a sfx build whit decent temps. 1080p comp. Best regards Sweden
ddr5 only works 100% if you cpu supports it
Max. Memory Size 192 GB
Max. Memory Speed DDR4 - 3200 / DDR5 - 5600MHz
Max. Memory Channels 2 (Dual Channel) this is the i9 14900k
My wallet is going to be a bit lighter next Thursday ..
Your able to preorder this now
Awesome review even tho you didn't even turn it on for us yet lol
where is z890 formula？i want a white board with 4dimms
Still not enough lanes to satisfy a modest mainboard.
Super sick
why did asus remove the easy release buttom for the gpu I swear they love too go backwards
That is a nice box....
Dropping the graphics slot from 16 to 8 would be virtually impossible to tell in any game. The memory slots have shorter pin length that's why they supposedly offer better speeds IMHO questionable two slot memory on a mother board is always superior IMHO.
Some of your explanations were particularly good and helpful for people new to computing (chipset use in particular) others were at times inaccurate.
It's not a chiplet design it's a layer design. The memory training does exactly what it says thus the 5-6-hour timescale.
The CU Dimm's have a clock driver on them to provide clock signals throughout the electronic circuit. Will you need extra cooling for the memory answer no
Could you post the link to the minisas to pcie cable adapter ?
I am trying to figure out why someone would buy this kit when Trident is already making a DDR5 8400 CL40 kit 1.4v, which beats this CUDIMM in every way.
When will u add another bundle to your shop?
@@Almondzzz-d2v which one are you after? 9800x3d?
@ ummm I’m new to pc
The bundles aren’t for new folks, they are for advanced users
@@FrameChasers ohhhhhhhh okay
You have a link for that slimsas to pci gen x4 board?
Same board....accepts 32gb modules in pairs...add all 4 and error 15 on LED...newest bios.
CORSAIR VENGEANCE RGB DDR5 64GB (2x32GB) DDR5 6000MHz CL40 AMD EXPO
I wait every week for your videos man. So happy for you to be moving up, and you getting recognized by the major companies 🤘🏼
Overhead can hands is so funny
I feel like the 24gb stuff runs about has hot as 16gb a die I have no active cooling on dual rank a die and they sticks only get up to 55c. Well on one of my sticks the temp sensor glitches out and goes to 3550c but the hotter of my 2 sticks goes to 55c at 1.44v