DEBATE: Would There Have Been a Holocaust Without Hitler?
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- Опубліковано 9 гру 2022
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In part 4 of "Exodus," Jordan engages with religious scholars, writers, and artists to review chapters seven through nine. The primary topics discussed include power, desire to change/grow, the heart (seat of the will and mind), a life of freedom, the good, suffering, the plagues, and resentment.
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I like Leo Tolstoy quotes about this: “What is the cause of historical events? Power. What is power? Power is the sum total of wills transferred to one person. On what condition are the will of the masses transferred to one person? On condition that the person express the will of the whole people. That is, power is power. That is, power is a word the meaning of which we do not understand. ”
― Leo Tolstoy, War and Peace
“The higher a man stands on the social ladder, the greater the number of people he is connected with, the more power he has over other people, the more obvious is the predestination and inevitability of his every action.”
― Leo Tolstoy, War and Peace
That first quote would have been resolved if Leo knew YHWH. Wickedness counterfeits the appearance of the Truth, so the will of many concentrating into one to voice it is an attempt to supplant YHWH.
Your response also explains what is going on currently with the trends of social media and UA-cam, the so called influencers, you know, those on the top of the ladder, are just doing what they do because they are representing the will of the people, people want drama, degeneracy, spectacle, thus they are observing and acting accordingly. A famous example is nikocadoavocado.
A guy who openly admitted that all his degeneracy was an act to watch people behavior and their tendency to want degenerate stuff. You can only be in power if you give people what they want.
@@blanktrigger8863 I mean look at what the catholics did. Use religion to become the most powerful force in the world for centuries.
Dr. Peterson is Brilliant. I think what he’s doing is that he is connecting a religious doctrine and religious experience to the rational ideologies of the the existing practical world. Connecting the biblical evil to how it can manifest into psychological realities. Correct me if I am wrong, Dr. Peterson.
Yeah and not bias!
The 3rd Reich was based on he father son and the holy ghost, hitler was sanctioned by the Vatican.
😮😅gig 😅
"It wouldn't be the same holocaust."
Tons of truth in that statement.
@@g3nj1 The Holocaust without Hitler would be like Cheer without Norm.
For all the pompous fanfare of these gentlemen, they failed to see that Holocausts are from all time, hitting all peoples across the globe. There is nothing special about the one that killed some jews, other than that it is being spoonfed to the masses as the most horrible crime in history, which it isn't.
@@tylerdurdan7128 That's not true. There have actually been worse mass murderers. Through democide, the ones in Russia were much more effective at genociding the population. Genghis Khan with Hitler era tech would have been absolutely brutal. Etc. There's a very good chance we may have lucked out with Hitler because he had sound enough mind to be efficient in many ways. Dude wasn't an utterly murderous war hungry type like so many others.
@@g3nj1 get a life
@@tylerdurdan7128 it would be like a fart without a smell
I am pleased that we are finally addressing this topic, despite its sensitive nature, after all these years. No topic should be considered off-limits when it comes to open discussion, and it is essential to invite everyone, including those who deny the event and those who are skeptical about it, to contribute to the conversation.
Prager nailed it with that final quote. Wow.
Only part I didn't agree with in the quote was that the Cross is fragile. Nazi Germany fell and yet the Church still stands.
Seriously
@@jarrod5855 Is a ship afloat if only the mast is above the water?
The church in Heinrich Heine time was so much more prominent in the lives of people than it is today.
So yes, the church still stands, but compared to 200 years ago when Heinrich Heine wrote the poem, does it stand at all?
@@jarrod5855 When you say the Church, do you mean the Christian that attend there, or simply the building - the church buildings are still standing, but are people going to them like they used to?
It's sad how it's acceptable to say that about non jews, but if you were to say the same kind of thing about jews, true or not.. Your life would be over.
Man that last line that Dennis said gave me chills
That's for sure, and Mr. Prager really has the voice for it, doesn't he?
Only part I didn't agree with in the quote was that the Cross is fragile. Nazi Germany fell and yet the Church still stands.
@Mephisto Film Restoration Really? That's a significant difference, translating(?) it from rotten to fragile? The author has some serious errors other than that most serious disrespect toward the Lord's saving grace. All Germans are not the same, just like all Jews are not the same. It's not right to judge and limit a people by their weaknesses.
Went into the comments to write just that 😂 thanks for saving me the trouble.
@Mephisto Film Restoration I see. Thanks for the explanation, but sometimes saying things like that can add to it happening. What we focus on grows.
We should ask Kanye west about this
He would ask Jesus...
@@Nah_Bohdi who would ask Jesus?
Based
He could have substituted in for Prager and it would have been a zero-sum outcome.
Kanye did what he did to get out of contracts.
I'm not particularly articulate. Listening to these intellectuals beautifully articulate sophisticated topics is music to my ears.
I must say Jordan is by the far articulate though
I can't believe Jordan went 10 minutes talking about WWII without mentioning Nietzsche. The dude must've been ready to blow!
God bless everyone reading this
Amen. All glory, faith, hope and love to Jesus Christ.
And thanksgiving to God our Father for the greatest Christmas present we will ever receive- the sacrificial blood of His son Jesus Christ. Amen.
By-Tor sends his Snow Dog to bring you Yule greetings as well. So say us all.
A blessing of God to you too i hope 🙏
@Invité It's not awful. It's the greatest expression of love the world has ever seen. Yes the crucifixion itself was awful. But Jesus sacrificing His life, taking every sin ever committed from the beginning of time upon himself so that we sinners can be justified and made righteous in the site of God is the greatest gift you and I will ever receive. So Jesus became what we are, sinners, so that we could become what He is righteous and holy. And through the grace of almighty God, through faith and trust in who Jesus is, the Son of God and what He sacrificed for us on the cross, and that God raised Him to life on the third day to forever defeat death, God will declare us innocent and give us new lives and a new purpose both here on earth and for eternity in heaven. The gift has been freely offered. All you have to do is accept it in faith in Jesus Christ. Amen.
Denis Praeger's reading of the Heinrich Heine poem about the talismanic cross . . . . .the hair on the back of my neck is standing on it's ends.
I had the same response. Prescient poet.
*_One Of The Greatest QUOTE Ever_*
“You’ve got to get up every morning with determination if you’re going to go to bed with satisfaction." - George Lorimer
“Failure will never overtake me if my determination to succeed is strong enough.” - Og Mandino
Human motivation will NEVER fully satisfy like God will. Motivational speeches for temporal euphoria is just another opioid. Don’t be fooled the demons are very cunning with motivational speeches. Especially, with “motivational speakers”. The Lord have mercy on us all. 🙏🏼 ❤
“You are the master of your destiny: No one and nothing can come in between you and your destiny except you. Take destiny by the horns and have fun.” -Master Oogway
This comment reminds me of how impressed I was by inspirational quotes when I was 9 years old lmfao
Love you Jordan, you helped 3 of us in one family. ❤️
Jordan should talk less. I think he should just stay quiet for longer stretches so others can bounce things back and forth. I find it rather irritating that JP constantly interrupts every 10 seconds
I’m quite far from most of these gentlemen on the political spectrum but I’d like to say that I find this series fascinating! It can be enjoyed by all
I find it sad to have to say you're far from them politically. It's group mentality at his finest, personally I don't give a damn what they "are" politicaly, what interests me is their opinion too. Politics separate people, specially in the US with the false dichotomy between your parties...
Maybe not as far as you think
@@astromigui ‘your parties’? I’m not from the US. And my comment was drawing attention to the fact that this content is interesting for everybody, something which certain champions of the Daily Wire wouldn’t necessarily enjoy to hear *cough* Ben Shapiro *cough* …I was attempting to build bridges though your response appears to want to burn them
You don't even know where each of them stand on any given issue, what sense does a political statement have in this discussion? It has no bearing.
@@johannesking5029 it was a statement regarding the utility of the content on the Daily Wire, which is often vilified by those who don’t resonate with the views of the conservative right. I am well-aware of the views held by many of these men, if you don’t mind.
Wow, that end quote was incredible... Goosebumps.
As Dennis Prager says in sn earlier episode in this series, he is less interested in convincing people of the existence of God than in the consequences of not doing so. And he just provided the most powerful example of it possible.
Except its not that powerful.
Almost all arguments against the existence of God pertain to the literalist interpretation. Not a metaphorical one. Dennis's arguments typical (but obviously not exclusively) deal in metaphorical interpretation.
Heck, in todays America, the much reviled "Secular" worldview, that Dennis and his type demonize so much, currently is serving the same purpose as 'Christianity" did for Germany according to Heinrich Heine. It will get ugly for the US if/when the Theocrat gets their way.
If he is less interested in convincing people of the existence of god than the consequences on not doing so, it stands to reason that he is interested in convincing people of the existence of god. It is an illogical statement. We still don’t know if Jordan is a born again Christian. As soon Peterson comes out of the closet and let’s us know what Christian faith he believes in (I think he will settle on catholic) his wealth will grow. He can get lots of stadium church gigs. He can be in the Oval Office praying for the new Republican president-laying on of hands. His future will see a huge growth of wealth. The question will be, how much honor and integrity will he sacrifice in doing so. He has cozied up to a lot of nasty right wingers.
How so
From which of Heinrich Heines works is the quote, which is read at the end?
..it is so very powerful!
Heine said something else too, “dort, wo man Bucher verbrennt, verbrennt man am Ende auch Menschen.”
Which means, “where books are burned, they will, in the end, burn people, too”
How can I find the full version of these discussions?
"A Frenchman is self-assured because he regards himself personally, both in mind and body, as irresistibly attractive to men and women. An Englishman is self-
assured, as being a citizen of the best
-organized state in the world, and therefore as an Englishman always knows what he should do and knows that all he does as an Englishman is undoubtedly correct. An Italian is self-assured because he is excitable and easily forgets himself and other people. A Russian is self-assured just because he knows nothing and does not want to know anything, since he does not believe that anything can be known. The German's self-assurance is worst of all, stronger and more repulsive than any other, because he imagines that he knows the truth - science - which he himself has invented but which is for him the absolute truth.“ - Leo Tolstoy, War and Peace
Wow, Tolstoy.
Yes, dangerous dictator often form a positive feedback relationship with those who support them in which they feed off of each other becoming more and more radical.
Trump?
@@jamesaston410 Trump is LITERALLY nazi he killed billions
Obama!!
Yes. I realized it in the pandemic crisis. Everybody obeying and denouncing those who didn't follow the rules
Delusional position.
The world went voluntarily into the abyss and complained the entire time.
The Germans went willingly into the abyss and loved it.
@@michaelz6555 I don’t think it is a delusional position. There are still millions who believe in wearing masks everywhere in public, maintaining social distance, avoiding get togethers etc. When the pandemic hit, many out of fear blindly listened to the government. They were fine judging their brothers and sisters who were free thinkers. Even to this day there is a stigmatism to those who didn’t get the vaccine.
Obviously Covid doesn’t even compare to the severity of the Holocaust. However I do believe that Covid gave us a small window into how people throw freedom out the door in the name of fear.
A bit like God; you don’t follow God’s rules and you’re denounced and bound for eternal doom.
Got to love the irony
@@jamesaston410 Poor analogy, I'm afraid. God is true. What these petty tyrants say is a lie.
@@warnerchandler9826 whether God is true or not is irrelevant, the Bible confirms what I said - if one doesn’t believe one is doomed!
Any link to the full interview?
It's on the Daily Wire +, along with the other 15 episodes
This is by far one of the most unbiased analysis of the Austrian painter I've ever seen, honestly.
“Give them hell”
He showed his true colours….wishing others to suffer and die.
I agree but don't forget every good story, needs to first create the settings and characters, or when you write a program, you first establish the parameters, fields, and character strings. With stories or programs, we always have the goal in mind.
Clearly, the Germans were deeply humiliated by a winners victory (so much different than the soft treatment of France after the Napoleonic devastations in Europe - Vienna 1815), the harsh procrastination with the forced loss of many symbols of modernity (fleet/ industry) and a one-sided guilt attribution in the Treaty of Versailles - which was unjust.
They were depleted by famine, war poverty and the mourning for the losses in every family, in a war, they did not start, but was forced on them, primarily by France (Christopher Clark - Sleepwalkers) and Russia (Sean McMeekin), and they were deeply disappointed by the USA, where they had tried to convince President Wilson (end of 1916) to moderate a peace process like Teddy Roosevelt had done with Russia and Japan in 1805 - instead he chose to send own troops to Europe.
And so their feelings were disturbed and chaotic, and then came a Hitler - who can guarantee that another powerful orator and as well as sensitive listener would have emerged at that time, if he would not have shown up...? - who was capable of focusing their energies against a scapegoat ...
If nobody gets away with anything ...? why did France get away for their constant aggression against Germany, the war of 1870, interwar tensions (several Marocco-crisises), the war of 1914, the brutal occupation of the Ruhr-area - would there ever existed a sufficient breeding ground for the monsters of National Socialism, if other states, primarily France , would not have prepared it ..??? [no excuse for the nazi-crimes].
Hitler was an exception.
I am very sure that without him the Nazis would not have been able to consolidate power and thus organize the mass murder...
So I do believe the HC would not have happened without Hitler.
WWI was forced on Germany by France? That is ridiculous. Please read a few good scholarly history books on this subject.
The power of judgment.
"So let me tell you a story about two trees and the talisman of the cross...," said God. (Thank you Dennis for that quote!)
Sorry to bother you Ted, but do you happen to know where I can find the Heinrich Heine quote? Many thanks.
Great convo but that last reading was shockingly good
I am so sick of this bs narrative being shoved down our throats
Brilliant absolutely brilliant big fan. I am actually working on a project that I would be thankful for your thoughts on.. please reach out if possible. But regardless of that. I appreciate your content and please keep it coming. Things to your intelligence and motivational guidance etc.😊
That last quote is truly chilling.
The Heinrich Heine poem that Dennis Prager cites should be seen in the historical context of 1834, when the spreading of the French Revolution of 1830 into Germany could just be avoided by the German Aristocracy. The Revolution eventually happened in Germany and Austria in 1848, which is likely what is predicted correctly by the poem, but luckily it wasn’t nearly as bloody as either of the French Revolutions (of 1830 and 1789). Part of the driver behind the 1848 Revolution was a developing anti-clerical sentiment, described as the ‘broken cross’ in the poem. Great poets have a sense for the Zeitgeist and so are often able to give astonishingly accurate insights into the state of mind of their people. But there is no way Heinrich Heine could have predicted what happened more that 100 years into the future, that’s too much of a leap of faith imho.
Of course he wouldn't know the details of something like that 100 years into the future. He knew a horror worse than the french revolution was going to happen, but did he know it was going to be specifically millions of jews slaughtered industrially like cattle at specifically around 1940s? No, but his prediction was right.
If he did predict that holocaust, that's not impressive, because anybody can predict stuff that doesn't happen.
@@drooskie9525What the initial comment is saying is that this wasn't even what Heine meant.
It had nothing to do with a nation vs nation or worldwide war, as well as targeting a specific group that literally didn't want to be german...
Prediction was far more so related to an anti-clerical revolution, one of classes, like that of France, which in ww2 terms would mean the Germans voting for hitler and becoming nazi germany...
As the initial comment says, it's highly unlikely that that's what he was going after...
Always learning when listening to JP
This is such a brilliant panel and discussion
Most definitely would have still happened. It was orchestrated to be the vehicle to achieving the Jewish state.
Your spirit just feels happy just listening . good stuff
Who thought it possible in this age for some powerful intellects to be put together and hold such conversations?
Edgar -- a bit of the miracle given this Age's lust after everything mediocre, especially in mass media. To say I am encouraged is putting it mildly.
It's kind of disappointing, given the fact that they are debating seriously about complete fantasy.
@@Gilfanon-2 Tell me about it.
@@brendangolledge8312😮n7
You would need to understand the psychological concepts Jordan is discussing to fully appreciate this conversation.
Where can i find full debate please?
The whole 16 episode series is rolling out on Daily Wire +
Does anyone here know where Heinrich Heine wrote that? I tried to find that quote in german and in english but I couldn't find it :/
"The History of Religion and Philosophy in Germany": - 1835
@@josephtravers777 Thank you
he should read 200 years together by Solzhenitsyn. u guys arent on the same team lmao
I just looked at this and I’m lmfao 😂 antisemitism is in soooo much old literature. What’s that one quote? “I would be an antisemitism if it weren’t for the chance of birth. Nobody gets kicked out of every country they enter for two thousand years without blame.”
Interesting, but, one thing about the day care fears of a mom, years after one of these accusations against a daycare, they find tunnels dug and going to other buildings, along with other evidence of children being in them.....
It made me feel like I'm listening to an Interstellar OST
Dr. Peterson,
Thank You
Yours,
D. Blagden
Would be really helpful to mention the other speakers at the tabke in the description box.🙏
clockwise from JBP: Douglas Hedley, Os Guinness, James Orr, Gregg Hurwitz, Dennis Prager, Stephen Blackwood, Jonathan Pageau
@@philosophistry Many thanks!!
This is a fascinating analysis and thought experiment.
They're underestimating the religious archetypal constant that jews are persecuted. It would've happened in a different way
Love the chilled out English touch on these discussions.
Jordan I think he's right he called forth anger aggression from a larger crowd and it was about more than the war but the conflict from the Reparations would've called forth regardless I think there's a special type of evil that calls to a larger amount of peoples gross divisions and controls the ones who disagree through fear and regardless of the similarity of control they have differences in who's trusted and what they're afforded when running an empire
The anger of the Germany people was quite possibly entirely justified. This is not to confuse their actions with justice though. The German people had seen the social destruction of Berlin (the degeneracy, pedophilia and sinfulness happening there in disgusts me to talk about). The Bolsheviks had moved into their land and were threatening to turn the entire nation into the same degeneracy that had taken Berlin.
What happened the German's perpetrated was wrong and not justice, but to suggest that it was purely due to the German populace's anger towards "reparations" is to ignore the truly awful truth that the Bolsheviks brought with them.
What happened in the 1940's was certainly partially a fallout of what happened in the 1920's, but much more happened in the 1930's to lead up to it. But this in an inconvenient truth that many today would like people to forget. Perhaps the best wisdom to derive from the lesson that was the atrocities of WWII is that 'an overapplication of justice is simply injustice'.
The German people were right to rise up against the evil in their land. And they did. However, once justice had been served, they failed to release their anger and pursued the next 'target'. In this way they showed that the 'path to hell is paved with good intentions'. In wanting to rid their country of an enemy, they became the greater foe.
This is the same reason why truth has no agenda, it simply is. Hitler, whether he the cause or the symptom, matters not nearly as much as each individual today realizing their own ability to contribute to that same awful result. We cannot change out this world's leaders, but we can change who we follow. And if we all, collectively, choose not to follow bad leaders we will one day have good ones.
This is what saddens me in today's America. The Religious Right fit that description so perfectly it hurts to watch it play in modern times. And yet, too many seem convinced its the "Radical Leftist" who pose that danger, when in reality they do not, nor cannot.
Think about it all the German people had to agree with Hitler to send people to camps. Hitler used the News(like the Democrats do today) hed show how much sick people and handicap people was costing the government. The population agreed and all them went to the same camps.
In a socialist government its too open for Evil. That government type has all the crimes verse humanity.
All the "socialists" in the US are sitting with full bank accounts. Billions! If they was serious about equality show us. BLM has $84Billion in donations yet ZERO goes to the black community. Socialism? so BLM is a new Hate Group? They stir racism and destroying poor neighborhoods. Why not protest in Beverly Hills? OC?
I love these "What if" questions, they make for great conversations.
I mean those conversations are just superficial knowledge babbling disguised as a thought provoking spectale.
Peterson cant get into details about the historical necessities that forged the holocaust, cause all thinkers who did the greatest work on that question are canceled by him as "cultural marxists". I mean Peterson has always been pure ideology, while accusing everybody else of the same. He is a fraud, and a cheap one too.
Breathtaking, mind-expanding wisdom. Humbling and thought provoking.
Thank you Mr Peterson and thank you to your co-hosts.
The west is still trapped in its pagan dream, when will it end?
The Romans deified Jesus to maintain their pagan, lucrative human-worship that boosted their economy but ultimately led to their downfall when the they fell too far in their self-worship.
This cursed interpretation of Christianity, which prioritizes human worship, statues and images of human men and women who resembles the people of their own ethnicity, has unconsciously inspired men and women to be gods themselves, creating the countries with the greatest wealth but causing even greater economic crises as a result! This twisted pagan interpretation of Christianity is followed even by those who are atheists, its the Mother of extremist leftist and right-wing ideologies, who all share the fraternal bond rooted in the shared belief that people - or at least certain groups of people - are inherently good.
They call themselves christians and wair the cross proudly on their chest, and they curse the romans for crucifying Christ, but they do not understand that they themselves are the pagan Romans, who worship images of themselves, human statues, idols, and sacrifice others for their sins! They claim to love ‘humanity’ in the name of christ but can only percieve the group they belong to as the true essence of humanity.
The western world has been in a cycle of Repentence, economic growth, self-worship, economic downfall, sacrificing, repentence.
Have they not nailed enough Prophets to their cross?
Have they not nailed enough syrians and irakees to their cross?
Have they not nailed enough Africans to their cross?
Have they not nailed enough Indians to their cross?
Have they not nailed enough Asians to their cross?
Have they not nailed enough Jews to their cross?
They eat themselves into nihilism, economic crisis and war, and can only be forced into humility by war! Not by god, for they think they are God and his angels. After sacrificing millions of innocent lives, they achieve an economic recovery fueled by humility and guilt, after which they shake religion off, and go for another round of self-worship.
Very interesting seeing the decision today….
What would happen to a civilization or a nation whose culture becomes, as Jordan says "materialistic and godless" if it never manifested into something resembling aggression and dictatorship? Would it fall into even deeper voids from where it could commit even greater evils or where the society would collapse into anarchy? Was WW2 , considering the circumstances, ultimately good for the future of human kind?
The United States is on the materialistic atheist path. By far and by large the United States has failed to live up to its historical propaganda, the promotional pull to basically make people work endless days and endless nights, shaving off large portions of their earnings for endless taxes, all which goes against the grain of the Independence from England due to taxation theory as to how the 13 colonies were established. Land of the Free (obsolete promotional taglines due to taxation); Justice for All (Obsolete with the amount of fraud and corruption with government employees greatly overlooked); The American Dream (Totally Obsolete, even Britney Spears who previously referred to herself as The American Dream now has no belief in God); Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness (Obsolete and evident with decisions made in Divorce Cases where people cannot simply move on because the courts find domestic violence and abuse so damn entertaining); PS BTW Slavery was never abolished, evident with US Nationsl Debt (www.usdebtclock.org) they just changed the terminology from Slave to Labor and continued to capitalize on their pyramid schemes.
That last quote wow
The man who speaks the least (Dennis Prager) says the most and the one who speaks the most (Jordan Peterson) say the least!!!
JP likes to listen to himself speaking.
So. I have a Question, do most people remember stuff from when they were 18 months old?
something about this format feels really pretentious
Maybe because we expect conservatives to look like that
And a tad narcissistic
Should debate if there was a holocaust
Agree.
David Irving work as a historian
Second to none..are you aware of his work
He's a nutcase that has lost all credibility
What version of the Bible is the best to learn from it ?
The Great Adventure Bible by Ascension Press which uses the RSV-2CE.
I would LOVE to see Dr. Peterson and David Irving debate. Because that would be FORBIDDEN.
Jordan, your description of Hitler matches Plato’s description of Ion in the “Ion” dialogue. A comparison would be very interesting.
I gotta look into this. What exactly do you mean? The roaring noticing and then repeated what made people roar? Or the character traits?
Ion’s being attentive to the response of the crowd before continuing
@@oatmilkfiend9627 much appreciated
0:10 what's the name of the guy who "did that to a great degree"?
Thankkkkkk you, to each one of you... Thank you🙏
Very interesting conversation
It's amazing to watch great brains at work.
Wasn't this something Isaac Asimov wrote about in the Foundation books?
Wow. Just. Wow.
It ended with a pretty decisive analysis of the real battle here. It is truly the battle between good and evil. Evil has many names for its leaders but the talisman of Good has only one: God.
Excellent work Peterstein.
Why don't you get Ursula Haverbeck on your show?
I would like to ask for greek subtitles❤
I've been a fan of yours for a few years now... but I saw a tweet that got me thinking... why do you have "A MESSAGE" to the Christian Churches, to the Muslims, and to the CEO's, but have specifically no message to another one of the main theologies of the world? Why no message? Are you afraid of cancellation or are they just perfect with no need for improvement and no room for criticism?
Jordan is not going to bite the hand that feeds them,he doesn't have the integrity to practice what he preaches
I would love to just sit in on conversations within this group
It would be lovely to be in the same room! They are giving us the opportunity by publishing their conversations on video.
What’s the general thoughts about the Vatican during this dark moment in history?
They sent Hitler birthday wishes each year!
Did you want the Vatican to roll out tanks and deploy armed forced against Nazi Germany?
The Vatican was basically a city surrounded by a fascist regime who was allied with Hitler.
Ive often wondered if plague started the blame game
A lot of brain power at one table. Peterson's explanation of Hitler's power over the masses is fascinating.
Jordan did not touch on the people who put Hitler in power and were directing him, those behind the political scenes, Hitler did move beyond his puppet masters and they couldn't reign him in....All that Jordan said about his history would fit the profile of a guy who would then get out of hand and couldn't be completely controlled as time went on. The Germans who were there and were critical thinkers saw this and tried hard to stop it. Many lost their lives as a result of their trying to stop the insanity happening.
I really think it's problematic to always say that the main cause for the rise of Hitler was the "hurt German proud because of ww1". This is absolutely incorrect and maybe a little side cause. The main Reason was the absolute destruction of the economy during the great depression which hited no country as hard as Weimar Germany, which completel economiy was, because of the treaty of Versailles, completely dependent on American credits which then disappeared. So the complete economy, social structure and many part of puplic life collapsed, the result were millions of people losing their jobs, starvation came back, prostitution was the main job of females at the time and of course exploding crime rates. The gov was completely unabled to deal with the situation and Hitler took that and promised economic growth, stability and order to come back. Hitler never campaigned with starting a war or the holocaust, he campaignd with bringing a new government that rebuild the country, which he also got done in the first years. That's why he was worldwide so popular, especially in the US. He was new York times person of the 1938 and nominated for the peace nobelprice. He planned the war from the beginning but never communicated it puplicly, he first established himself as prophet who heals the wounded German nation and then took the cult around him and used it as weapon.
JP hasn’t done his deep research and he’s disingenuous. Never mentions Solz’s ‘other book’ though does he which is the actual truth of what was going on.
'Give em hell Netanyahu' - Jordan Peterson.
>Germanics were farthest along into atheism
All of the European subraces have always been profoundly spiritual and animistic. The 1930s saw just as great of a resurgence in the religion of the German people (whether it was Positive Christianity or those who sought out their people's original European religion(s)) as it did in terms of economy, technology, philosophy, art, literature, and so forth. It could be argued, and I'm confident it has, that the rekindling of the German spirit was the critical piece of Germany's re-ascension (gotta be a word for that which I'm forgetting) in these other fields.
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Ay 'Tone!
Manifestation … what on earth are we thinking; individually and collectively?
We are all “chemical factories” and invited to live into reality the ability to each become self-accountable and from there collectively responsible in sharing and growing sustainable “clear and right thinking”. Double-mindedness & impatience with ourselves appear to be our collective weaknesses, however, with honesty, we can refine ourselves through purging and feeding upon the truth of nurturing power of ancient words. The wisdom of the process of self-development resulting in self-control, is what makes us Sovereign.
Anything that distracts us from this gentle and patient self-development is merely a form of temptation which undermines our understanding of the power which is innately embedded in each and every one of us.
We are not to consume each others goodness but to devour all that is not …
we are in a purge.
Keep your eyes on who and what you want to grow; in yourself and in others.
Deny doubt, uncertainty, and all double-minded thinking…
Our Sovereign “We” gets us through this.
Keep your eyes on the prize ✨
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Jordon B Peterson, please read this book about Oneness by David K Bernard
Heinrich Heine nailed it. Wow.
Mr Jordon how can l as a youth solve a problem of watching phonograph
What is Holocaust???🤷
It was the one time jews had to do manual labor, so they claim it killed them
Oh dear
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People have been repeating history since the Garden
I would ask to change the question - the Jews were not reason for the holocaust - the mob and Hitler made them to scapegoats. If the reaction of the German masses were an aggression in search for an object - where did the aggression come from?
The first thing that comes in mind is the war - that was initiated by an alignment of France's and Russia's interests in dominating Central Europe.
France had already shown its older hegemonic interest in their declaration of war against Germany in 1870 and later in the Moroccan crisisses - when they showed their intentions bluntly to keep Germany down and out.
The respected military historian Victor Davis Hanson told in a handful of interviews about his sense who started WW1 - Germany, because in its September-program it showed a huge interest in occupying other countries for their ressources - but, the program came up after the war had started.
VDH's view is overlooking the works of historians Christopher Clark, Sean McMeekin and his Hoover collegue Niall Ferguson, all of them enhancing the picture by not ignoring a revanchistic France, an imperialistic Russia and even of a weary titan Great Britain who are as well if not considerably more to blame for the 'primordial catastrophe of the 20th century' - than Imperial Germany.
Even during the war, end 1916 to beginning of 1917 - Germany tried to bring the war to an end - by trying to convince US President Wilson to moderate a peace process. But the progressive Wilson did not respond to the German initiative and decided to intervene in Europe - on the anti-German side.
And so the war came to an end, in an defeat and a brutal winners peace against Germany, that was much harder than the the kind peace for France after the Napoleonic devastation in Europe.
Relapsing to the original question - would there have been an holocaust without Hitler, I think it could be better focus on the reasons for the emergence of aggressions in the German public after the harsh peace treaty that were targeted on the Jews - so, would there have been a Hitler (elevated to power by the masses) without that war, where Germany was made the culprit but wasnt the primary aggressor ...?
No denying of Nazi-German crimes.
how do build a new state under the Belfour Bank agreement with people who like living where they are? and what type of minds would organize shush a task with sympathy needed to achieve its objectives... as throne permit thieves
"let me interrupt your wisdom and read a long winded quote off my phone" be quiet, prager
Heinrich Heine was kind of a prophet.
In which book did he write that?
0:00: 🔑 The power of truth can bring down tyranny, but unjust rulers can cause great destruction to innocent people.
3:26: 🔥 Jung believed that the re-sacralization of the political in Germany drove the Nazi spirit forward, as they longed for a return to the archetypal gods.
6:51: 🔑 The video discusses the influence of a mother's words on a child's dreams and the potential for those dreams to become nightmarish.
Recap by Tammy AI
Wow that ending 😢😮
"You shall return minus six million", it was a biblical commandment by Yehwey, something of which Hitler failed to deliver
I think what happened was overtime he developed so much anger and probably jealousy that if it stays in your heart it turns into hatred and that into violence that’s why the Bible preaches on forgiveness
Damn. A breathtaking poem of chilling prescience made more powerful by Dennis Prager narration.
There's only 1 reason I can think of that I will be in this room, and that is refilling their coffee.😂
Holy shit all these important people at the round table
Edited for the wounded pride left behind like it didn't exist or would forget
Which would be the reason why aid and devastation support
Also why international laws and healers oaths etc
The real question to be asked is, if the government has the power to revoke a license just for questioning. This is what should be asked.
“…that subduing talisman, the cross…”
told on himself.