How Ordinary Men Became Nazi Killers - Prof. Jordan Peterson
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- Опубліковано 23 лип 2017
- In this small excerpt of Jordan B. Peterson’s psychology lecture “2017 Maps of Meaning 4: Marionettes and Individuals (Part 3)” at the University of Toronto he refers to the book “Ordinary Men” by Christopher R. Browning and discusses what it took to turn average police officers into a gang of killers for the Nazi regime.
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Terrifying book
They were bored as fuck, shallow, empty, godless, power tripping control freaks, taught the THEORY of (d)''evolution''. JUST LIKE TODAY(or any period really).
I will buy the book, but it wont be from an 'affiliate' channel like youres.
YOure a piece of lazy shit trying to make money off of someone else content.
Please fuck off asshole.
@Whoa Guy Ad blocker you inbred.
How ordinary men becomes NATO killers?
“You end up in very bad places one step at a time, you gotta watch those steps.”
-Jordan Peterson
30 is the new 20
@johnmann I get your point and you are right especially in todays times, but dont forget the white race was pretty brutal, I mean killing off aborigines, native americans, Hitler and his fellas, slavery just to name a few. BLM and all these BS movements are obviously forced or lets call it artifical.
@@kamilmusalat that may be true but history has also shown that brutality comes from all people as a whole not just whites, the only thing we can do now is to learn from these acts of injustice and not only stop it but try to improve from it, which is how all these SJWs came about (which ironically have taken it too far) but at least some movements are legitimate. The real problem is the human rights issues that are happening right now as we speak, like Uyghur mistreatment in China, imposing national security law in hong kong which is basically removing their citizens' rights and freedoms etc. I mean, there's only so long someone can be accountable for their mistakes right. Imagine if someone says that you're a crybaby, based on your time as a baby when you were crying a lot.
...one pill at a time...
johnmann based
That age marker of 22 seems a little bit optimistic as of right now. Seeing an awful lot of folks even into their 30’s falling mindlessly into line.
Got that right!
Millennials in their 20’s now are fucking brainwashed.
It's a young age when you have to start brainwashing them with your ideology. People in their 30's could very well have experienced the woke message in their college years. "Wokeness" didn't spring up in the last few years. It started out years ago with extreme progressive professors pushing their message as part of the classroom. We now have a generation of people who have embraced this ideology and have pushed it to the extreme of any differing opinion is a nazi.
Onichan agreed
Rambo, John J. Technically millennials would be late 20’s/30’s but message received nonetheless. Hopefully we can get through this intersectionality war
Andrew Morr
Well, whatever the generation in their early 20’s is technically considered.... “Generation social media?” is even worse.
I work with a few, that despite being very nice people, have 0 common sense. They walk place to place, even at the office, with their heads down staring at their cell phones.
Every other word out of their mouths are “literally”, “actually”, “like so” , and “really?”.
Generation “Clueless”?
The scariest thing about that is it's actually repeating itself today and I clearly see it
- doesn't seem that extreme yet to me, but im guessing many said the same thing throughout history.....
@@Babidi111 "YET". This is exactly the same path trump has started. The more video that emerges, the more everyone that hasn't drank the kool-aid will see it.
@@gwkdad It isn't Trump or Trump supporters who are calling for "re-education camps" or taking children away from their parents if the parents are Trump supporters. The kool-aid is being given to you every day by the MSM.
@@Babidi111 Antifa and BLM are the globalists brown shirts.
Where do you see that happening?
any book that this man recommends must be essential reading ive just ordered my copy
Much agreed.
Very good book. I too highly recommend it.
On his Website he has a list of book recommendations with about 80 books or so if you're interested
@grumpy old fart they make sense on some level
read excerpts from this book in 10th grade history
I read this in college. It’s shocking when you see how easy they walked into becoming mass murderers. It’s even more shocking is when you realize how easily it could be you walking into becoming a mass murderer.
Or supporting em
I remember a study we covered in psychology when I was in college that showed roughly 63% of people will follow whatever an authority figure tells them to do, even if they completely disagree with it to the point where they are crying while doing it. This result held true no matter which country they did the experiment in. I believe it was the Milgram experiment. Pretty sad to to know that almost 2/3 of any population will just do what they are told, even if they don’t agree with it.
You're too pussy for that. Don't worry
Same. I read it as part of either a European or German History class, I don't remember. But it was fascinating how easily ordinary people became stone cold killers. I think if I remember the first couple of days and weeks they struggled with it. Nightmares, drinking, throwing up, but by the end it was so simple and easy for them to execute on their orders.
I saw a photo advert of an Irish nurse today ..in a mask, recommending she inject your children without parental permission. And most likely without their permission too.
How many 'steps' is that, do you think?
This is very true. Once you have excused away the first step, the second and third becomes easier. All the more reason why such regimes work so hard to dehumanise their opponents.
Watch "Come and see" from 1985.
It touches Einsatzgruppen topic and also is the best anti-war movie.
The first stage is to dehumanise the other group. It is happening now. The MSM are doing it all the time and hypocritically blaming other people , ie the “out group”; falsely of “hate speech”.
@@arthurdick9553 CNN and Fox in the US, both MSM, are both contributing to the "other side" blaming and dehumanizing. Any time we watch them, we're helping them stay powerful.
And demoralize their brainwashed sheep
@@arthurdick9553 This past week on CNN they were comparing Trump supporters to Isis and Al-Qaeda. Then AOC goes on there and suggests we build "deprogramming camps". I've heard this somewhere, but where was it? Ahh yes, Nazi Germany.
The gradual hardening of the heart. When you go against your conscience for the 1st time, it is easier the 2nd time, then easier the 3rd etc. That's why we should never go against our own conscience. God gave it to us as a gift to help protect us from evil.
Tracy An extremely valid point.
@ricky gore Really? How does that work? Prove it.
ricky gore You have a very jumbled thought process.
Amen
God bless you Tracy
Thanks for sharing WISDOM
God hardened ramses heart against moses. ..
God HARDENED Ramses heart against MOSES ....and then , turned them loose on each other. .. let that sink in
I have read the book in question, Ordinary Men. Its a must read for any student of the Human condition. Always fascinated me how otherwise decent people in peacetime, family men, educated men can become deranged killers during wartime.
A lot of the death squads deployed in Poland and Russia from 39-42/43 had doctorates, and pretty much all of them were higher educated men with the exception of a few units (Dirlewanger who were just sadists). It’s always so crazy to think how intelligent people can do those things to the extent that they did
@@JoshDeCoster That's not entirely accurate. Many of the officers in charge had doctorates, but the units themselves were largely taken from the Waffen-SS, Gestapo, SD and different branches of the police. They intentionally recruited intelligent men with military backgrounds and commitment to the cause to organize the Einsatzgruppen, however the rank and file of those groups had a military or police background and were not higher educated men
I was 17 when I became a solider in the British Army. I knew I was brainwashed. I am still dealing with that to this day. I am 48 years old. It had a massive impact on my life.
@Paulie Walnuts Are you this boring in real life or do save this catatonic dreariness for your online presence exclusively?
@Paulie Walnuts YAWN
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My husband joined the US Army at 17, and was sent to combat in Iraq at 19. He served as a recon scout in the 82nd Airborne Division. He is now 100% disabled due to ptsd. I have a front row seat. 😔
The unfortunate truth is... none of us know how we’d react under similar conditions. Of course, we’d like to think we do, but we don’t. My father was there, and was once ordered to take part in a firing squad, which sickened him; as he quite rightfully said, “You have no business condemning any man, unless you’ve walked a mile in his shoes”... Ok... I never quite understood the “mile” bit, but what he was intending to explain, is that you wouldn’t know how you’d behave.
When you’re away from home for months on end, sometimes years; your friends are dying all around you, you often don’t have adequate food, clothing, equipment, and no idea if your loved ones are safe at home... I imagine that could break many of us.
When you’re freezing cold, wet, hungry, and all too often scared, you come across an enemy village; maybe similar to the village you grew up in.
The order is then given to take it. The village has plenty of food, wine women, warmth, clothing, and all the things we normally take for granted; how do you respond when the enemy village resists, or even refuses to give aid, and comfort to your friends, and yourself? Answer... YOU DON’T KNOW! Is the only truthful answer one could give.
People, from all sides, are capable of the most heinous acts; all nations have committed atrocities during wartime... there are no exceptions.
There’s no excuse for this behaviour... but each of us are capable under certain conditions, of losing all humanity. Quite terrifying!🤭
Well I guess I'd ask them politely to let us sleep in the barn and give us some food and maybe send over some girls that are willing to take one for the village if you know what I mean. I'd promise to shoot any of my men if they treated those girls badly and I'd do it. Then I would warn the villagers that the alternative is to face destruction. Offered is the same as served.
We are all someone Monster.
@@contemporaryconundrums93lmfaoo
Speak for yourself! I know EXACTLY how I would react!
@@_DB.COOPER Thank you, @_DB.COOPER!
“Not knowing how we’d react” is a cop-out.
IF you know your head from your ass, then we should all be able to say “BULLSHIT! I WILL NEVER commit immoral acts against anyone!”
Word arrangement in a sentence makes a difference. You'd put Killer Nazis instead of Nazi Killers since that changes the entire dynamic of the subject matter.
Yes.
Literally exactly what I thought. Frustratingly bad title.
No both ways are acceptable prose
@@alexb6821 maybe so, but only one gives the viewer clarity of meaning.
@@alexb6821 One is clearly more ambiguous than the other though.
"You get there one step at a time, so you better watch those steps."
Whenever I talk like this people accuse me of making a fallacious "slippery slope" argument," when I'm really just trying to point out the importance of the matter at hand.
It's the polar opposite of the slippery slope fallacy
The slippery slope says "one step in that direction I inevitably takes you all the way there"
People who respond the way you describe probably unconsciously believe in the slippery slope, and can't imagine evil occurring in gradual steps
Not unlike, say, the road to recovery. A journey of a thousand miles begins with the first step. Unfortunatly, for some, the downward spiral often seems to begin in small increments, for others it is an ambition. Some people look at themselves in disgust and despise what they have become, others...
It's like how legit concerns about the LGBT movement were dismissed as bigotry. A few years later and we have drag queens giving lectures to young children, young children at gay pride parades, young kids being introduced to trans propaganda, young teens being given hormones to "change genders" etc.
@@SeanConneryPimpShlap Oh no! Young people at gay pride parades! That might lead to them thinking that gay people are human beings or something
He never said they weren't human beings.
Quick note as I scan comments. This isn't a "left vs right" issue at all, or "communism vs capitalism". It is a human nature issue. Human nature is to identify with their groups and feel a necessity to do what is considered necessary for their group. It is not about the ideology, it is about being apart of your group.
Also, including with my own comment, understanding this transition takes a lot of different perspectives. Every single theory of behavior makes assumptions necessary for simplification as without them it would be impossible to make any statement. Theories including assumptions break down more and more at the borders of what they were meant to represent and at the knowledge used to produce them. Thankfully, Nazi Germany is not a commonly experienced event. As such, saying the answer is x, y, or z theory is incapable of being accurate, will limit your understanding of the situation, and will lead to inaccurate interpretations of the world around you. Totally different though than seeing similarities to that theory or the partial explanation that one theory gives.
I'm always wary of people who say, or give the impression, that they would have been 'good' in Nazi Germany. I suspect that anyone who devotes their energy to trying to convince everyone else how wholesome and virtuous they are would have been equally as devoted to proving how good a Nazi they were under those circumstances.
Like most people, I'd like to think I wouldn't have bought into it, but being raised by Hitler-loving parents, and undergoing indoctrination at school, and then possibly Hitler Youth, and being bombarded by Nazi propaganda 24/7, there's no saying how anyone would turn out. I do find it interesting that many of the 'good' Germans I know of were already brainwashed, so to speak, by religion, and the Nazi brainwashing didn't work on them.
Yes but it always an organized group/state vs freedom (of speech, buying/selling, movement etc) in essence.
Now we see it again with this covid tyranny.
Groups are formed under ideologies, so I don't think it's fair to divorce something as integral as that. It's the core of any cause that gives rise to groups.
Experienced being an ordinary man in Vietnam 50 years ago. Everything he says is true.
Alan Davis Did you fight? …
@@south1328 had no choice in the matter. One side trying to kill you and the management on my side didn't care if you got killed as long as the mission was accomplished.
@@alandavis9644 no…..you were trying to invade them. So you had a choice not to fight. They didn’t because they were protecting themselves. All who fight and kill unnecessary are cowards I see you’ve joined that camp.
@@south1328 They were Communists. It was seen as a matter of survival for the west. Vietnam slowed down the onslaught and eventually the USSR collapsed.
@@normanwells2755
So communism was the reason to murder 2 million innocent people?
How many people did capitalists murdered, start with colonialists, fascism, KKK, proxy war's ect ect.
Look at the war inUkrain, who started it? The Washington in 2013-2014 during MaidanCoup.
Who murdered people in Iraq Lybia Syria Afghanistan Yugoslavia ect ect...
USSR didn't enslave people, USSR won the WW2, so you can be free today!
Also knowledge is power. it's easy to control ignorant people
Not to mention the downright stupid. A lot of whom are still in higher education.
Not even close as much as having money and corrupt/blackmail people, it is always because of the dependency of money, they didn't think "Damn russians, damn jews, they all have to die", they all though "If I don't obey, I will lose my job (later life), I will lose my income and my family will die from hunger homeless". Idiologies serve only for rationalization "It's they own fault to be russians, to be jews" like the rapist who tells himself "If she didn't dress like a sl... I wouldn't rape her".
Easy to control maybe do u think its easy to make them understand???
Like Fox news viewers...
The republican moto.. keep the public ignorant and afraid
C.S Lewis' speech, "The Inner Ring", explains as well as any analysis that I have heard or read how the need to belong easily corrupts. It can be slowly read in 10 to 15 minutes.
I find it very interesting that most people don't get to read or hear important pieces and speeches like that in schools. There's a lot of important stuff most people never get to read or hear about, leading to a sense of things becoming forgotten.
Most people would rather belong to the fictions and Lies of World than God.
Thank you stranger! You have made my day! And probably changed my life quite a bit....
This is why collectivism is evil. Act for yourself and not for others.
@@jameswa4013 That was Alistair Crowley's mantra. Collectivism takes what is good about family and clan mutual support to a dark place in a subservience to a grand collector, eg Babel. Your form of individualism is the very definition of Satanism
I believe an ordinary man can be conditioned to do almost anything. It may bother them to do some things at first, but every time it is done makes it easier the next time. Jail guards may, for example, start off full of compassion but they lose it quickly. I suppose policemen are the same. They may start off full of dedication but exposure to bad things toughens them up very quickly.
The world is full today with a full participation in false compassion. Unreal.
I've thought about this with doctors. My husband is chronically ill and they really aren't compassionate. I think they will break if they become emotionally invested. If theu actually cared if he died
@@goodolearkygal5746 That is a sad story. I hope his doctors aren't the kind to promote MAID's too quickly.
@@Mrskateboardboy he's a quadriplegic so some doctors have already tried to do things like that. It's horrific to see a guy on a ventilator making jokes with the nurse and she leans over and says he can give up anytime he wants. He was disheartened, he thought he was getting better (and he was) then she said that. He did make it home, he got off the vent. But the amount of nurses and docs that tried to tell us how we would want to live our lives was awful, for some reason THEY just knew that WE would be better if they killed him. That was 2019
@@goodolearkygal5746 If he still has his sense of humor, keep telling them to stuff their MAID's suggestions.
Ive read "Ordinary Men, Police Battalion 101' by Browming..
And HIGHLY recommend it..
It really explains the mindset of the many ppl involved in the Final Solution
I was in the army and joined at 19 years of age. It seems, listening to this section of lecture, I was fortunate to be in the particular army I was in because even though our training demanded a commitment to team work and unity our individual response to each scenario was always questioned but we were never told we were wrong. We were then shown by our "older" (NCO's in their 30's) how everything must be agreed and communicated and the end response must be warranted. I served in few countries and our forces came face to face with many warring factions and time after time I witnessed and eventually was part of the negotiation process that was preferred to infiltration and conflict. It became obvious to me the men armed to the teeth standing opposite me were just ordinary men and stood there hoping that a respectful word would allow them honour and a way home...just like me. The Prof is right in all but one thing, the only step that matters is the first step. If that is wrong then everything else is just a stumble.
Hannah Arendt's ' The Banality of Evil ' deals with this issue really well.
It's interesting analysing the men on the ground physically carrying out the actions and how any population is vulnerable to that under similar circumstances (the book JP recommends is good, I've read it a couple times now), but also with figures like Eichmann, who arguably would have been a meek, white collar Administrative worker in any other circumstances. It's a strange juxtaposition where I believe a lot of these men who played an administrative role in the industrial scale killing probably detached themselves from what was happening on the ground entirely.
In the sense that for Eichmann I imagine he saw numbers on a page, reports, documents, maps - and his work with those documents gave him personal satisfaction via promotions, and actually some self worth in the sense he wasn't just dispensable. It's almost like it reached the point where there was no difference to him between overseeing the death of millions, or overseeing the efficient transport and storage of various commodities. It's not that he was inherently some pinnacle of evil, just that his mind had jumped through so many hoops to convince itself all he was dealing with was just paperwork. He thrust himself into his work and was consumed by it on a surface level to the extent that the direct result of his work no longer mattered - as long as everything tallied up and the numbers he wanted up went up, and the ones that he needed down went down, and he got a pat on the back it didn't matter - that was that.
The gravity of what he actually was partaking in probably never really hit at that time, and I imagine that is why there was a lot of euphemism with the orders themselves. However, I'm really not trying to remove the blame from him, don't get me wrong, and I'm say ''poor guy had NO idea what he was doing''.
One of the most important and extremely moving book's I've ever read. I agree with someone who commented "any book Dr. Peterson recommends is definitely worth reading" ABSOLUTELY 💯
This is why education is so important. A man has to decide how he is going to behave in tough situation before the tough situation occurs. That is the only way to strengthen one's resolve during times that try men's souls.
As the song goes, "You have to stand for something, or you'll fall for anything."
Do you think German were some kind of uneducated, uncivilised cavemen?
For your information, what happened was an excess of civilisation, cleanliness, and civil and military obedience. I know because the man who raised me was there.
@@MarvinHartmann452 That is an interesting perspective. You seem to think the Holocaust occurred due to too much civilization and cleanliness in Germany.
I can see the existentialism behind your assertion and I guess it has some merit, but think it mostly racism which stems from lack of education.
I read the book at Peterson’s recommendation. I heard him talk highly of it and I can say that the book is absolutely amazing. One of the best books I have ever read
One step at a time could lead you to the greatness or to the worst
I have read the book based on the inspiration from Jordan Peterson. According to the book it was not offered the policemen to go home if they dont like the job. Initially, before the first massacre it was offered that anybody not willing to shoot can stay away from shooting and thats it. So they could not distance themself from the other policemen by travelling home. If they could then I guess more of them would go home than as many of them stepped out and say that they not gonna shoot.
It may sound crass but we wonder if the Germans didn't offer extra rations of schnapps for doing such barbaric things?
@@Araconox They did. So much so that it became an issue.
Execution commandos would be wasted or on drugs constantly, suffer PTSD and a strange coincidence of sensitivity to light and migraines/cluster headaches.
These units started acting out and negatively affecting the war effort. This led to the idea of Industrialised Mass killings that necessitated less manpower.
@@marcellang2277 and there was this high suicide rate of people that worked in that "industry".
There’s a specific point in the beginning of the book where it is offered. However I believe it was offered like directly before it happened, thus leaving the men flustered and taken aback. They then go directly and the killing begins. I only say this as I’m reading it now
“Trapp then made an extraordinary offer to his battalion: if any of the older men among them did not feel up to the task that lay before him, he could step out. Trapp paused, and after some moments, one man stepped forward. The captain of 3rd company . . . began to berate the man. The major told the captain to hold his tongue. Then ten or twelve other men stepped forward as well. They turned in their rifles and were told to await a further assignment from the major.”
I lived in Germany and actually resided in Landsberg where Hitler was in prison for 10 months and wrote Mein Kampt. This was some thirty years after WWII. It was fascinating and the best education of my life and fortunately became friends with many Germans and met their parents. These were good people but they were still in shock how they became brainwashed. They believed in the cause so much that their mind seared their conscience off from the rest of their brain. Ordinary people became cold blooded killing machines. What I learned back then is that it could happen here and we are seeing evidence of that now. Beware, if they come for you they won’t bat an eye.
My great grandpa I guess died by the hands of some great ppl
I am seeing the prevalence of a pathology of sickness in American society that expresses mental illness in our culture. We are in the decline of our empire and like the Weimar Republic , we have a hard right that’s desensitized and looking for the “other” to blame. Our lack of education and no real manufacturing and industry has wiped out our middle class. “El Duce “said that corporatism is fascism. Hopelessness,violence, and economic collapse are its sources.
. Here we go boys and girls. Hold onto your hats because it’s going to be bad.
Eric Voegelin wrote Stupidity is a “loss of reality”.Voegelin was a political philosopher commenting on Hitler And The Germans’.
@@rebeccaweil1 Absolutely. We are going down and the government is sabotaging our own country.
They were obviously not great people, maybe they are now since everyone can chance and be redeemed; however, in the past, they made the choice to believe Hitler, and that corrupted their hearts, turning them into bad people. Doctrination is not an excuse, since God gave us free will we are responsible for our actions.
@@sanf7191 amen and it seems like we be repeating ourselves rn
Not forgetting the Japanese who killed 15 million people with Swords, Bayonets and Hand held Shovels. Mainly because, they was made Samurai by the emperor and under this new level of Status was above the law. Killing prisoners of war and villages and towns. That wouldn't comply with Japanese Samurai rules was considered nothing when it come to the enemies lives who consider that if you surrender under your own volition or ordered to surrender by your superior officers you are considered lower than a dog and only marked for Death.
Yes, when are they paying us reparations?
Pure propaganda.
The height of hypocrisy of the Samurai is the entire nation of Japan surrendered unconditionally, yet few took their own lives. So have the Japanese paid for their sins? Hardly, as Emperor McArthur gave them
a free pass. In fact, the monster doctor that ran the notorious Unit 731 where they conducted inhuman medical experiments (disembowel captives) on hapless Chinese civilians (screams can be heard miles away) became the head of Japan's Ministry of Health a decade after the war.
Culture of Thanatos is a sign of Shintoism. It’s just so evil but normal to them at the time. Dignity derived from honorable Seppuku or painful suicide was preferable to capture.
@@pickyogum3684 the sins of the father should not be on the sons.
Most people from that time that are still alive today were literal children at that time. Its like blaming a seven year old because their father was a rapist, molester, abuser, murderer, torturer, a monster in every sense of the word and then coming to that child later as an adult saying: "its you're fault, and you personally need to pay for the sins of your father" its fkd up, at some point you have to take the L and move forward.
Hell, China has the second largest econ in the world right now. They commit various human rights violations daily. If anything, China owes a lot of people for the sins they commit currently. Like those concentration camps where they experiment on muslims, TODAY. Hell, they take north korean escapees, especially the women and sell them as slaves to Chinese farmers, CURRENTLY.
But people would rather focus on easier targets with mostly peaceful countries that haven't to my knowledge, started any wars for the past 50 years. Why? Because they know China doesn't gaf about their sins, and has the world by the balls currently with all the world powers invested in them in some way. They could pull back at anytime and the world economy would suffer.
You end up in very bad places one step at a time, so you better watch those steps.
Man, the world needs you more today than ever.
He told everyone to"just go get the bloodey vaccine"...Beware The Expert.
“You end up in bad places one step at a time.” Great perspective!
It's a fascinating book. Apparently no one was punished for declining to take part in executions. They were re-assigned to other duties. Not many did decline.
This is true, you see so many people on UA-cam making excuses for these mass murderers saying that if they didn’t shot men women and children they would’ve shot. Nothing is further from the truth. Himmler passed an order that any soldier that didn’t want to kill civilians could just be reassigned somewhere else. Very few as you say asked to be reassigned somewhere else, I have read in some books that the Germans just didn’t want to be called a baby or a sissy by their fellow killers for not shooting children. What twisted thinking from twisted people.
This guy is amazing.
Beyond amazing. He is spot on every time he opens his mouth it seems. An absolute bottomless well of common sense and knowledge.
meh, he just mentioned and summarised a famous book
@@jimhabsfan I've read the whole book and written an essay on it, so I do have the ethos to pronounce that all Peterson did was simplisticly summarise the ideas of the book. I would plead in response: Stop praising him as some kind of god.
@@puglosipher1666 Don't you think there could be a context of doing that in a 40-50 min lecture?
@@puglosipher1666 the problem with this guy and how he lets his audience feed.. like he is some kind of modern God hahah its insane
Professor Browning's book is one of the best I've read on the potential dangers lurking in group psychology, in this case resulting in great evil perpetrated within the framework of Nazism. The title, "Ordinary Men", speaks volumes, because it's so telling. It's disconcerting for thinking people to ponder how readily people in general can be manipulated to extremely bad ends. I can't recommend the book highly enough for anyone interested in this area of study.
Hi, diden't read that one but isen't it not about give a small man power to ?
It takes a strong personally to go against the grain, very few people can ❤
When my father passed away it certainly was a troubling time for me and my brothers, my mother. Strangely, at one point I had a difficult time remembering his face. Unusual but true. That night I went to bed & had a troubling dream.
I seen my dad nearby and his body turned so he could face me. The horrible thing: his face distorted and became ugly and twisted as if in a horror film.
One thought entered my mind. We become a bad person one step at a time, over many months, many years.
As soon as I realized this, it was as if an angel from heaven whispered into my ear: Yes. That is true. But the inverse is also true. We become thought of as a good person by gentle acts of kindness on a daily basis. One step at a time. With conscience thought.
One of the best books assigned during my education. Thanks for that Dr Steven Soper.
I'm reading the book currently, it certainly is a very educational and factually intriguing book to read, thanks for the suggestion Jordan. I'm reading one of Jordan's books immediately after too.
Reminds me of the U.S. Civil War.
Full units were made up of men and boys from the same small towns. So everyone knew each other. When ordered to March forward into a hail of bullets, and certain death, no one hesitated! They didn't want to have their families Honor spotted, by men who would one day be "Back Home" telling tales of the War, in the village green.
There was a soldier during the Civil War whose last words were tell my family I was facing my enemy. There are still people of honor out there you have to look a little harder.
@@artjinks2935 That's not honor. That's just caring about one's reputation. A different thing.
Bonding over ignorance is humanities worst problem and the fact we dont even have a word for it is frightening but says a lot
I read “Ordinary Men” in prep for becoming a volunteer guide/trainer @ the Holocaust Museum in DC. It was a real eye opener.
Now the ordinary Palestinian men are carrying on the legacy.
such a stupid thing to say
Anyone who's left a cult has seen how hard it is to convince people their companions are wrong.
I left my home country for one of the first world, and still I can't convince my family and friends there that they are living in a shit hole.
JP must be one of the most, if not THE most amazingly intellectual man of our time. I dont agree with all of his views, but boy do we need him right now.
The Stanford Experiment brought this home for Americans who thought they weren't capable of such inhumanity.
Everyone is capable as there are examples of it from all around the world, Europe, Asia, Africa, Americas.
Not to mention, so many Americans descended from Germans..
Dont forget the Milgram experiment
The audiobook is on UA-cam. It is rough to listen to at points because of its brutality. It’s sad how corruptible people can become.
The biggest clue as to whether your already taking steps is if you are absolutely convinced you’re right and that some other human is wrong and that your views and actions are ‘correct’. The next step is seeing that others point of view needs to be corrected through the denial of personal rights. And the final step before you become what you accuse others of is thinking only you, or your group, must ‘act’. Whether you’re on the right or the left of the political spectrum. I’ve seen the growth of this on both sides of the spectrum. You can diagnose yourself by thinking of commenting ‘ yeah but only (insert group or ideology) do that, my (insert group or ideology) must stand up to them!
Oh god, how we have missed this man! Jordan hope you're winging your way back to us - you've left a massive void man ❤️
This is so true . Here in Australia during covid we had State Premiers that clearly had no empathy for their fellow citizens and used police in full riot gear to stop people from leaving their houses . Absolute evil emerged as they suddenly found they had absolute power under some old quarantine health legislations.
The covid pandemic was a real test of character for every nation and some failed the test miserably.
If the people of these nations had any sense they would uproot these barbarians they call leaders and replace them with more worthy men and women. However in order to do that they must first learn how to uproot the evil in their own homes and doorsteps.
I was really shocked at AUS and NZ during covid. Crazy stuff.
The Victorian premier was the worst and he since got voted back in. So either the people in Victoria are incredibly stupid or the election was rigged. I’d believe either scenario, the premier is the biggest snake you’ll ever seen.
Did they line them up a shot them.
@@MegaReception1 Heaven forbid of course not , they were all politicians , honest law abiding folk . Some of them even got re elected !!!
I read this book on JP's recommendation a few years ago. It still plays on my mind now, particularly the Policeman who chose to shoot the child and not the mother, his reason was he was putting the child out of their misery.
Yeah, it plays on my mind still. 😞
Being 'comradely' is something that happens all the time. I remember being told a (true?) story about a group of elementary school age boys who decided they were going to make parachutes so they could jump off the roof of a shed. The first one jumped off and broke his leg. The rest, instead of climbing down after seeing the first one getting injured and offering help, parachuted down and suffered various injuries. Why? Because they didn't want their friend to be the only one who did it, and nobody wanted to miss the experience of jumping off the roof of the shed. They didn't want to be left out.
Happens right now too. But remember - you need to take responsibilty for your own choices. Yes, external factors influence your behaviour but in the end *you* make the choice. Not somebody else. You always have the choice of not doing a certain thing. It's about time that humans take responsibilty for their own lives rather than blaming other external factors and other people for their deeds - which of 99% is the wicked deeds - they want the glory of good deeds for themselves! Therefore anyone going against good needs to be punished and will soon be punished. That's called Rightousness that unfortunently not many understand.
Once you start down the dark path
Forever will it dominate your destiny
Consume you it will
My American History 121 teacher gotme to read this. Insane book that really shows how little it can take for ordinary men to commit horrible acts.
Dear drew,
The first step into the darkness was becoming a police officer.
Frank.
estoy leyendo el
libro :)
I'm reading that book right now and their commander did not say they could go home at any time, he said "they could step out and not participate in the killings". That was at the beginning but eventually almost every man was made to murder these innocent people at some point. It seems like they wanted everyone to have blood on their hands so that they were all guilty of these heinous acts. There is a lot more to the story and their were some men that later claimed certain things but it really seems like just about everyone involved ended up murdering some civilian Jews. Some men obviously enjoyed it but the point is that prior to this assignment these men were florists, carpenters, etc. and most of them were not raised in the Hitler youth time period, although a few younger ones were devout Nazi's. It's a cautionary tale at the least.
Read it a while ago and highly recommend it.
"Watch those steps". Very true!
This is one class that should be attended by each and every cop worldwide. Now more than ever!
Excellent video
It’s always important to watch your dark side and to acknowledge it. If you’re the kind of person who says they would never do terrible things without seriously going over it, then best case you’ll become a storm trooper and worse case you’ll become a tyrant.
I’m working on Ordinary Men right now and it’s chilling! The men hated what they were doing, some snuck away but mostly just got drunk. Some were so drunk that had to jump into the mass graves filled with bodies of dead and dying to get their shots off. The scary thing they were not professional solders but drafted business men, blue collar workers, welders, teachers, musicians, many with families at home. They hated it, but did it anyway because that was the order from above. Those who refused would be ridiculed by the mob.
Apollon Abaddon Wow your response is brilliant, what an intellectual you are.
Yeah if you don't follow the mob. You get expelled . Same behaviour in cancel culture
Reminds me of another excellent book, about the Nuremburg Trials, Eichmann in Jerusalem: A Report on the Banality of Evil. The book was controversial because the author took the position that the Nazis monsters were just ordinary men and any of us could've become them in similar circumstances. Made most people a little uncomfortable, but yea, the road to Hell doesn't come with warnings so watch your steps, as the Professor says
This is now a movie on Netflix! Very interesting and informative!
Yeah this carries a lot of weight right now and it's a little scary
Yeah, as we have seen, "Make america great again" turns into "Blood and soil!" very easily...
@@mani225456 I was thinking about the riots in twin cities that were fueled by frustration. I think that the BLM movement might also contain parallel narratives. What's your take?
As a retired police officer, with a whole bunch of mental health crap to go along with it...
I'm really concerned about the state of Policing in the world today, but especially the US.
We went way wrong in training and doctrine... And things are so crazy right now... I don't like where I see things going with cops...
On the one hand, you have truly good cops, most of them... But then, there's also this psychology of accepting certain amounts of violence and rights violations, completely "legal" - but no longer morally correct.
And how do you separate the two?
Our cops are spending way too long as cops. 10 years, that should be it - get your tiny little pension, and walk away.
I love my fellow cops - but I don't like where they have been, and where they are going.
Especially the use of the term, "Law Enforcement" - because it changed the role... From Protector, to Enforcer... And that is a REALLY bad idea for your cops...
Cops are supposed to be Peacemakers, not enforcers.
☀️💛 Brisbane Australia
"...one step at a time. You gotta watch those steps."
I listened to the audiobook. Very powerful.
Thank you Professor. I have been looking for new books to read lately, that is very helpful.
He is the only white person I have ever heard where I do not need captions to understand. He speaks so clearly.
Ps. I need captions because English is my second language.
Professor Jordan is the 1st level of listening. Ben Shapiro is the last one. After years learning by myself, I finally made it with Shapiro's videos LoL. I recommend you to take a look to his speeches (in case you don't know him).
Greetings from Colombia.
@@juandavidcaicedo5696 I am glad the west has intellectuals like Jordan and Shapiro,I got fed up and pist off with liberals and woke whom were using the same stupid words and arguments for decades,day by day they are becoming shameless with absurdity!
I read this one by C R Browning. Still chills me to the bone. As always a brilliant analysis from Prf. Peterson.
This is a perfect case of how EASY for men (and women) to relapse into the innermost darkness of our souls.
My dad (Corporal) and my godfather (Staff Sergeant) was told/forced to "guard" the German troops to and forth Nazi occupied Norway. They hated every nanosec of it. I mean, most of these young German guys going home to their families... Simply: Ordinary men.
Yes, that book should be read by anyone who wonders how such things can happen.
Many military historians have pointed out that not wanting to be seen as failing their comrades or otherwise losing their respect is the most powerful reason why men put up with the horrors of military combat. From an evolutionary standpoint that of course makes sense. We humans are social animals who depend upon influencing others in various ways, to include gaining and retaining their respect, to succeed in life. Only in the last eyeblink of human history has it been possible for some adults (only) to survive without the direct and immediate help of others, and then only to a limited degree. We have evolved to desire the approval of other people as the first step toward gaining their support, and despite occasional claims to the contrary, that has a huge effect on most of what we do.
"Aboot." Canadian AF. Love his presentations!
A soldier doesn't make war on women and children. Where is the honor in that?
Certainly does not exist today
The enemy wasn't a real woman or child.
Agreed. Also, a real woman doesn't make war on children, but for some reason abortion is legal.
@@SeanConneryPimpShlap clumps of unformed cells are NOT equivalent to children #gaslighting #sexistcontroltactics
I recently received this book. I am halfway through it and I'd advise to not read it before bedtime. I dreamed about the atrocities all night. Excellent view on the psychological makeup of group-think. A scary book because it's true.
Bought the book the other day. I am on chapter six now and it is a little long and very numerical but it explains a LOT about the Nazis. Fascinating read (of overly-detailed is your thing) and from an interesting perspective.
Great video.
also, the key ingredients for this to happen is daily desensitization which eventually leads to slippery slope, starting with subtle but ever gradual slope inclination. Aka, normalization
Yeah, as we have seen, "Make america great again" turns into "Blood and soil!" very easily...
@@mani225456
The thing is North America is a huge exception to the rest of the world. Except for maybe the natives nobody really has a long established "nationality" here the way a German would or anyone in the "old world" really. What is an "American?" Its ultimately a very loose label and even racial views in north america go only about as deep as skin colour because there is no dominant ethnicity even among those broadly "european"
If there is blood and soil it wont be in the preservation sense like Hitler but in the sense of some kind of establishment of a new nation and nationality.
@@user-xg8yy7yl1d Are you people all high on fumes or something? I can't tell anymore if I'm dealing with a fascist "hiding his power level" or a delusional centrist. Stop pretending there isn't a massive fucking problem or trying to rationalize it and explain it away. Significant fraction of US population is in favor of nazi regime, did I dream Charlottesville? Am I dreaming the viewer number Tucker Carlson gets on average?
@@mani225456 You’re delusional. Media driven. Little capacity for independent observation and thought. All the fanatical authoritarianism today is coming from the left. The right just wants to be left alone.
@@docholiday7758Troglodyte thinking a single thought in his empty head is original. Free thinking conservative is an oxymoron.
I was hoping this would follow the lines of "Inglorious Bastards"
Nice summary of Jørg Baberowski's book, but please explain the core more explicitly. People interpret some words differently, so precisely for classes like this one it's important to mention contexts surrounding the mechanisms in place in phenomena as the one you've presented.
Read it. Pretty tough on an individual, but necessary reading.
We don't know what we'd do.
We have a pretty good idea. History has countless examples of those who did nothing, and very few examples of those who stood up.
True enough unfortunately.
that is not true, plenty of the story was told by the losing side , we have their diaries , confessions and interviews , some of them are still alive , so that is simply not true.
It's such a heavy book amazing terrible and terrifying
Well spoken 👏
There's a book called The Perils of Obedience (Stanley Milgram), which is also a pretty good book on how ordinary people become Nazi killers.
Even Himmler became nauseous for the first time he attended the shootings.
Yes he did
He was a conniving slime ball who would do anything for power. A little like my husbands ex brother in law.
December 2021. The steps are getting faster.
Last sentence is gold
He said its like breaking bad? I'm in! Alexa order ordinary men please?
I read this book! Even though not one of these Polish cops was a Nazi, the thing that shocked me was that not one complained and instead complied in their silence. Really made me change my thinking about the abuse of power. We are sinners and therefore it could happen to any one of us. scary. Do not remain silent when you see real misuse of power! Stand up for your unalienable rights, Learn them.
Well when you slowly descend into the darkness, it swallows you whole to where even you can not ascertain if it’s you making your judgment or the darkness surrounding you; either way you still follow and abide by those actions because you fell too far down to work your way back up
Read the book in college, disturbing what they were willing to do. Book is a must read for history fans.
Is this what happens when you normalize violence also when you blame a group in society for all your problems , Then dehumanize them to the point where anything negative done to them is praised . So much of this going on now
Personally being a National Socialist, seeing the amount of hypocrisy is kinda ironic. We are apparantly not humans with empathy.
The main thinker for today.. Get well soon Mr.P.
Also, leaving the camp would have probably meant the front line for the camp guards. It was a less risky job for them.
I puzzled this myself. As a young teen I read “The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich” by Shirer. I then read fairly extensively about the Nazi regime. Later I came across writing about the Zimbado experiment. Then I came across writing about the causation of the building of the gas chambers, it was primarily that the Death Squads had such a high rate of suicide and soldiers becoming totally useless, nearly catatonic. True, there were criminals and worse at the death camps and in those “collecting” the inmates, but not universally. The real question is why did some people retain their humanity and others lose it or never have it? I understand the older ones who were victims of WW1, PTSD from the war and the Blockade, then the failure that was Weimar, but the youngsters? Was it all down to Hitler Youth?
Read up on the German advance. Even as the first German arrived in many towns this was already occurring. This sad time and history was not restricted to just Germany.
interesting to hear what ive been witnessing here in US
Yeah, as we have seen, "Make america great again" turns into "Blood and soil!" very easily...
@@mani225456 Literally when have we seen that?
@@brianfrost303 If you are not acknowledging Charlottesville, you are an idiot or a nazi. I don't care for the former and if you are the latter, UA-cam won't let me express my sincerest wishes to you.
Btw, entire Tucker Carlson audience are literal nazis disguised in a maga hat. And I literally mean literal nazis. And no, conservatives aren't nazis, Tucker Carlson viewers are. Literally neo-nazis, not conservatives.
@@mani225456 lmao, you're a fucking nutcase dude.
There were nazis at cherlottesville, that doesn't mean everyone at charlottesville was a nazi.
Because charlottesville was a protest against the removal of statues, not a nazi pep rally as CNN etc portrayed it to be.
But by all means, please continue calling everyone you disagree with nazis. It signals to normal people that you're a fucking froot-loop and to stop paying attention.
@@mani225456 lol, cringe
Gotta watch those steps
I’ve read it twice now. First time it scared me, second time it terrified me.
History is about to repeat.
Fortunately, it spectacularly failed to repeat.