@@rub3l the live stream has the PVE list, I may decide to post it later, but I want to make a super in detailed pve version after I do a series of testing every ship in the game in pve situations. and again that has been a little delayed until the missile rework comes into live. but it is all coming soon
I don't know why people can't see how good the firebird is. I know it's generally because missiles are intermittent, but if you have 6 size 3s launched at you and you didn't know the firebird was there which is really easy to do with it's stealth reduction then most people will be screwed. If you're in any sort of bigger ship you're definitely screwed. Knowing the fight is about to happen edges the firebird down a tier, but the whole point of the ship is you don't know it's about to unleash hell.
I know it's a month later, but by the Connie HP do you mean the hull HP? Because the stock shields are 100k hp. But I guess if you're being hit by ballistics the shields don't really count that much.
It's not clear that you are a PVPer from your other videos ... also it would be nice if you follow a standard for ship notation and if you explained precisely why you rate them like this ... sharing one's opinion is very easy, anyone can share their opinion. E
I don't spend all day in arena commander if that is what you mean. But I have plenty of experience and am a dam good pilot who can give his opinion. I hope you enjoy hearing people discuss a fun topic. Have a great day.
I really like the tier list but I am confused about something. It seemed like you based some of the choices off of if one ship had a skilled pilot and the other had an average pilot. Shouldn't you be basing all of the choices on if two pilots of the same skill level were piloting? Maybe I misunderstood what you were saying, I'm a new player so I don't fully understand the game yet.
F7A Mk 2 is an S. Idk how you can even think to put it in A. Everyone is so hellbent on using Omiskys for some reason. They are mid. Yes they have good velocity but ballistic cannons are king now. For both PvE and PVP. Energy weapons got a huge nerf and most people don't even realise that. Before Energy weapons shot twice as long as their recharge which is now completely reversed. Most energyweapons now need twice as long as you can shoot, and you also know from experience at these speeds you are most likely to run out of magazine, except for ships like the eclipse which have pretty big capacitors. I want you to go and fit a F7A Mk2 with deadbolts and try that out. Even if you think ammo is a problem it is not. You maybe need 3 hits on any other fighter with that loadout. And maybe you miss some. But these guns are so devastating that you will kill anything before its shields are even down. Maybe even oneshot light fighters if everything hits. At most 3. And that is a given. Paired with the longer range most enemies wont even know what hit them because they are used to engage at 800m or less. But those guns are already effective at twice that range. And since there is no stream of bullets its almost not noticeable that you get shot at. And when you do get hit its basically to late and you are dead.
I find it weird that the Corsair is that low. Every pirate player is using one and I definitely can't take one down in a Hornet. I can make them some damage with an Inferno but that's all, like they're bullet sponges.
You give some good insights here and your conversation style is excellent and easy to follow. You do get a little too "hot takey" with some of these (which is fine cause you admit it's just your opinion). Nobody really has full hands on experience with every ship in 3.23.1 yet and you obviously dismissed some ships that really belong much higher with skill factors. For example, you put the Corsair at E, but with it you can actually melt multiple other players in A/S ships at once with those guns and well-managed shields and movement. Overall good stab! GG's and o7's.
I see somone watched AvengerOne's tier list. Also what are you thinking saying a warlock emp doesn't give it a discernable difference from a titan? *edit - what is this tier list?! You're not even consistant. You could have saved a bunch of time by uploading a screenshot of your "rankings."
@@Astro_ManiI know you're wrong because I am no expert pilot, I am okay at best, and I've zeroed others in my raven, at least 1v1. Group fights, no clue. Emps on the raven also just got turned up, doing even more damage to electronics, so it should be even more effective right now.
@daethwing188 that's awesome if you were able to do that man! Nice flying. Emps don't do damage to the ships electronics until shields are down so that's why I say they take a little bit of practice. I would like to see more people using emps in the verse that would be cool.
I am a noob so i would have wished for some explanations. For example i looked into bounties and saw how strong the corsair is so i am wondering how a 125i can win vs it with less shields and weaker weapons
@@Astro_Mani thanks for the explanation :) i didnt expect that the size of the corsair would be this bad, i thought the weapons will make you win most fights alone
325a should be removed because it's missiles don't work. The game thinks every 300 series is a 315 p. Been like this since 3.20 patch. I think CIG did this for a reason.
Aurora in D and Pisces in F? Both have 4x S1 and C8X has better turn rates although A LN better capacitors. Both should be in the same tier. And I dont think you can win with a cutty black against a Corsair or Conny. Especially not if it is crewed. Ships with 4x S5 + x in the lowest tiers??
For pvp? Less. Because it doesn't have a turret gunner. C1 should not fight in pvp. You can get away with it in pve. But it shouldn't be a first choice for pvp. It is an absolute wonderful beautiful ship tho
Awesome list. Am I dummy for flying and owning a Vanguard -_- it's just so cool 2 me.. wish It could PVP better. Maybe engineering will help or I'm coping
Still good for PvE, and once 4.0 rolls out later this year I think the Vanguard's role as a "long-range fighter" will finally see some real advantages over the smaller ones.
well avenger 1 thinks the F8C is C tier for its slow speed and crap agility!!!! he says it i grate ship if you want to die slowly due to its many hull and shield points but a huge tank only means you lose slower!!!
This isn't a tier list for the best pilots in arena commander. I agree with him if I am fighting an f8c they are dead, slow death but dead. But the average Joe vs the average Joe and the lightning wins evertime. But ya all opinion =p he is a great pilot, maybe someday I'll see him around
What's this guy been smoking? Connie's a E? Taurus sure because of the lower Hull HP. But in a PVP setting if you have two Connie's even Tauruses. And you cover each other.. There is no way a group of fighters can ever kill one. 2 pilots with Connie's can easily take on 5-8 heavy to medium fights. Even vs missiles. Gone in to Jump town and wiped out a whole ORG. Trying to control the air space.😂 Time to re think ur LIST
ok well this was my first and last tier list from this content creator because he doesnt know speed and agility is meta not fire power or tank!!!! when im behind you in my raven and i put your F8C to sleep and circle you for a while joking then pop you because i can hold your rear arc as easy as a sunday drive. what can a ship with all the tank and guns in world do if it has no target!!!!
@@Astro_Mani I appreciate the confidence, but you're wrong. Any decent pilot in a Raven would chain fire emp you and keep you dead in the black, he wouldn't even need to finish you, he could just troll you and keep you off. If you're talking 1v1, you're smoked. What are you even talking about?
@daethwing188 1v1? The raven would never get through the shields to shut the f8c down. And again as I day In the video and in the comments good pilots can handle f8cs no problem. I am saying an average pilot could never survive the onslaught of a f8c. But if I was in the f8c the raven would never get through my shields before you could easily just nav away.
@@Astro_Mani did you say a raven can never? im not on avenger 1 level but he calls F8 is trash.... but you do have a point, skill has a lot to do with it but what i do know is the F8 is lacking in speed and agility to a point you dont need a lot of skill to kite a F8 and all 1 needs to know is you decide the outcome of the fight if you have the power of speed and agility a stock raven can shut anything under large down
What are your thoughts? have fun!
I wanna see PvE version of it :D
@@rub3l the live stream has the PVE list, I may decide to post it later, but I want to make a super in detailed pve version after I do a series of testing every ship in the game in pve situations. and again that has been a little delayed until the missile rework comes into live. but it is all coming soon
@@Astro_Mani Nice, I’m looking forward to it! In the meantime, I’ll try to find the livestream version.
"The rest of the hornets are Bs"
No they're hornets.
lmaos
NO, NOT THE BEEEEZ
Lol
I'm not even ashamed to say that I laughed at that.
I think I'm too tired right now. This made me laugh way more than it should have!
I don't know why people can't see how good the firebird is. I know it's generally because missiles are intermittent, but if you have 6 size 3s launched at you and you didn't know the firebird was there which is really easy to do with it's stealth reduction then most people will be screwed. If you're in any sort of bigger ship you're definitely screwed.
Knowing the fight is about to happen edges the firebird down a tier, but the whole point of the ship is you don't know it's about to unleash hell.
I know it's a month later, but by the Connie HP do you mean the hull HP? Because the stock shields are 100k hp. But I guess if you're being hit by ballistics the shields don't really count that much.
the hull hp yes. they have different hull hp, same shields
Agreed with Tire list but i think pulse is S tire and here is a idea try pulse using pulse to sneak on enemy and use railgun on them
lmao
Pulse supremacy lol
This video lacks explanations l. Like he talks like I should already know what he's talking about.
Andromeda fully crewed, including the P-52 merlin joining the fight, they will slap a lot of ships.
I agree.
It's not clear that you are a PVPer from your other videos ... also it would be nice if you follow a standard for ship notation and if you explained precisely why you rate them like this ... sharing one's opinion is very easy, anyone can share their opinion. E
I don't spend all day in arena commander if that is what you mean. But I have plenty of experience and am a dam good pilot who can give his opinion. I hope you enjoy hearing people discuss a fun topic. Have a great day.
I play everything in the game. Do much to explore
I really like the tier list but I am confused about something. It seemed like you based some of the choices off of if one ship had a skilled pilot and the other had an average pilot. Shouldn't you be basing all of the choices on if two pilots of the same skill level were piloting?
Maybe I misunderstood what you were saying, I'm a new player so I don't fully understand the game yet.
Helpful video, I've been getting into PVP a lot lately and this helped me
Glad I could help
Yall are actually wild if you don’t put the F7A at S, buc isnt S M50 isn’t S. 325A is not A bro just remade A1’s tier list lol
Nice work mate, nice effort! do this again anytime you deem fit
F7A Mk 2 is an S. Idk how you can even think to put it in A. Everyone is so hellbent on using Omiskys for some reason. They are mid. Yes they have good velocity but ballistic cannons are king now. For both PvE and PVP.
Energy weapons got a huge nerf and most people don't even realise that. Before Energy weapons shot twice as long as their recharge which is now completely reversed. Most energyweapons now need twice as long as you can shoot, and you also know from experience at these speeds you are most likely to run out of magazine, except for ships like the eclipse which have pretty big capacitors.
I want you to go and fit a F7A Mk2 with deadbolts and try that out. Even if you think ammo is a problem it is not. You maybe need 3 hits on any other fighter with that loadout. And maybe you miss some. But these guns are so devastating that you will kill anything before its shields are even down. Maybe even oneshot light fighters if everything hits. At most 3. And that is a given.
Paired with the longer range most enemies wont even know what hit them because they are used to engage at 800m or less. But those guns are already effective at twice that range.
And since there is no stream of bullets its almost not noticeable that you get shot at.
And when you do get hit its basically to late and you are dead.
Holyshit. what did this guy smoke :D
I find it weird that the Corsair is that low. Every pirate player is using one and I definitely can't take one down in a Hornet. I can make them some damage with an Inferno but that's all, like they're bullet sponges.
Ion is below the Conni every day of the week rn
Ion is terrible yes
Where do you see the Taurus having less hp than other variants of the constellation? everywhere I look says they share the same HP
Erkul has the Taurus listed as less hp
@@Astro_Mani ooh okay i just didn't know how to read the website. ty. i got a connie taurus just now as I just started playing :P
@@Longtimer49 it's a wonderful ship
You give some good insights here and your conversation style is excellent and easy to follow. You do get a little too "hot takey" with some of these (which is fine cause you admit it's just your opinion).
Nobody really has full hands on experience with every ship in 3.23.1 yet and you obviously dismissed some ships that really belong much higher with skill factors. For example, you put the Corsair at E, but with it you can actually melt multiple other players in A/S ships at once with those guns and well-managed shields and movement.
Overall good stab! GG's and o7's.
Thanks sir. Corsair are definitely controversial lol. They can be strong in the right hands. Cheers
F7A MKII has bugged side strafe, making it S tier. It's the only ship in the game that can reliably pip wiggle.
Yes I agree. But I don't like to rate ships by their bugs
@@Astro_Mani thats totally fine, just say you are not rating them based on their current bugs and you wont get as much hate i think
I see somone watched AvengerOne's tier list. Also what are you thinking saying a warlock emp doesn't give it a discernable difference from a titan?
*edit - what is this tier list?! You're not even consistant. You could have saved a bunch of time by uploading a screenshot of your "rankings."
Only expert pilots will be able to make the advantage of the emp worth it. And even then emp gameplay is super buggy that's all. Cheers
@@Astro_ManiI know you're wrong because I am no expert pilot, I am okay at best, and I've zeroed others in my raven, at least 1v1. Group fights, no clue.
Emps on the raven also just got turned up, doing even more damage to electronics, so it should be even more effective right now.
@daethwing188 that's awesome if you were able to do that man! Nice flying.
Emps don't do damage to the ships electronics until shields are down so that's why I say they take a little bit of practice. I would like to see more people using emps in the verse that would be cool.
I am a noob so i would have wished for some explanations. For example i looked into bounties and saw how strong the corsair is so i am wondering how a 125i can win vs it with less shields and weaker weapons
This is for vs players. Big ships are not good vs players. Corsair is good for vs the ai
@@Astro_Mani thanks for the explanation :) i didnt expect that the size of the corsair would be this bad, i thought the weapons will make you win most fights alone
@@xxyxxyyyx it will win against anyone who fly straight =P which is a lot of people
mk2 crushes f8 all day and 2-3 corsairs flying together is the secret meta and should be A tier (if you have a group)
325a should be removed because it's missiles don't work. The game thinks every 300 series is a 315 p. Been like this since 3.20 patch. I think CIG did this for a reason.
Aurora in D and Pisces in F? Both have 4x S1 and C8X has better turn rates although A LN better capacitors. Both should be in the same tier.
And I dont think you can win with a cutty black against a Corsair or Conny. Especially not if it is crewed. Ships with 4x S5 + x in the lowest tiers??
If you put the c1 on the list then where would the c1 go? Same tier as the a1?
For pvp? Less. Because it doesn't have a turret gunner. C1 should not fight in pvp. You can get away with it in pve. But it shouldn't be a first choice for pvp. It is an absolute wonderful beautiful ship tho
@@Astro_Mani thanks for the response :)
Awesome list. Am I dummy for flying and owning a Vanguard -_- it's just so cool 2 me.. wish It could PVP better. Maybe engineering will help or I'm coping
Vanguards are still wonderful ships. Very beautiful. And great for pve
Still good for PvE, and once 4.0 rolls out later this year I think the Vanguard's role as a "long-range fighter" will finally see some real advantages over the smaller ones.
Goal set and saving money.
whats the best loadout for the buc??
omniskys or tarantulas
Gladius is life
connie has size 5s now
Love the MK 2
Seems my UA-cam is full of Tier Lists.....
"Scorpius is the number one ship in the game"...😂Thanks for the laugh! 🍺
Would Freelancer MIS be D Tier?
Freelancer MIS would be in the same spot as the original
Cutty steel has been buffed and its actually good
F8 with current vanguard stats is a brick. It will and must be fixed.
well avenger 1 thinks the F8C is C tier for its slow speed and crap agility!!!! he says it i grate ship if you want to die slowly due to its many hull and shield points but a huge tank only means you lose slower!!!
This isn't a tier list for the best pilots in arena commander. I agree with him if I am fighting an f8c they are dead, slow death but dead. But the average Joe vs the average Joe and the lightning wins evertime. But ya all opinion =p he is a great pilot, maybe someday I'll see him around
How tf tierlists look the same when mm is in. Wasn't the point of mm to rein in small fighters. Balance.. Cig could never
What's this guy been smoking? Connie's a E?
Taurus sure because of the lower Hull HP.
But in a PVP setting if you have two Connie's even Tauruses. And you cover each other.. There is no way a group of fighters can ever kill one. 2 pilots with Connie's can easily take on 5-8 heavy to medium fights. Even vs missiles. Gone in to Jump town and wiped out a whole ORG. Trying to control the air space.😂 Time to re think ur LIST
so you have chosen death with rating the corsair as an E tier.
Lmao it's S on pve kavinsky
@@Astro_Mani I deleted a buccaneer and a Titan one on one in the PU you take this rating back!!!
ok well this was my first and last tier list from this content creator because he doesnt know speed and agility is meta not fire power or tank!!!! when im behind you in my raven and i put your F8C to sleep and circle you for a while joking then pop you because i can hold your rear arc as easy as a sunday drive. what can a ship with all the tank and guns in world do if it has no target!!!!
You're welcome to come fight any day. Sorry your raven could never kill a f8c they would just walk away lol.
@@Astro_Mani I appreciate the confidence, but you're wrong. Any decent pilot in a Raven would chain fire emp you and keep you dead in the black, he wouldn't even need to finish you, he could just troll you and keep you off. If you're talking 1v1, you're smoked. What are you even talking about?
@daethwing188 1v1? The raven would never get through the shields to shut the f8c down. And again as I day In the video and in the comments good pilots can handle f8cs no problem. I am saying an average pilot could never survive the onslaught of a f8c. But if I was in the f8c the raven would never get through my shields before you could easily just nav away.
@@Astro_Mani did you say a raven can never? im not on avenger 1 level but he calls F8 is trash.... but you do have a point, skill has a lot to do with it but what i do know is the F8 is lacking in speed and agility to a point you dont need a lot of skill to kite a F8 and all 1 needs to know is you decide the outcome of the fight if you have the power of speed and agility
a stock raven can shut anything under large down
Second!
I really wish they stop this meta nonsense