Sunday of St. Gregory Palamas: A rant on "Palamism" and Eastern Catholics
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- Опубліковано 14 бер 2020
- This rant includes a bit of passive-aggressive sassiness, sorry (no passive-aggressiveness in that statement I promise) if that puts you off.
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Great show, David. I'm really enjoying your content.
St. John Chrysostom does profess the essence/energy distinction implicitly when saying that God is utterly unknowable and that the ones who attempt to penetrate into the essence of God should be whipped! (Yes, he says that in a sermon, sadly I don't know the title of it right now.)
@FightPeople It has to be read in the lager context of his writings. St. John says that we know God through his providence and goodness, which is the operations God had made known to us. That is why he so harschly condemns the ones who try to speculate in what God has not made known to us since this is an obstacle to true reverence. Vain speculations in the essence of God leads to arrogance and pride. So, the distinction is made implicit when St. John speaks of God's inknowability as well as his knowability. (Sorry if I'm confusing.)
@@Kralperri it's not "confusing" it's non-sense... for good reason:
read Isaiah 55
Seek the Lord while he may be found;
call to him while he is near.(J)
7
Let the wicked one abandon his way
and the sinful one his thoughts;(K)
let him return to the Lord,
so he may have compassion on him,
and to our God, for he will freely forgive.(L)
8
“For my thoughts are not your thoughts,
and your ways are not my ways.”
This is the Lord’s declaration.
9
“For as heaven is higher than earth,(M)
so my ways are higher than your ways,
and my thoughts than your thoughts.
10
For just as rain and snow fall from heaven
and do not return there
without saturating the earth
and making it germinate and sprout,
and providing seed to sow
and food to eat,(N)
11
so my word that comes from my mouth
will not return to me empty,
but it will accomplish what I please
and will prosper in what I send it to do.”(O)
Awesome stream. I'd share on Twitter, but Jack put me in timeout for calling for the incarceration of atheists.
By "ecumenism of return," do you mean that heretics must become Orthodox? If so, yes, very based. Great stuff as always. St. Gregory Palamas, pray to God for us!
Can people in Hell still pray to God?
Great video, keep doing what you're doing! As a point of clarification, is the word used in the translations "divine" or should it be "divinized" (by Grace)? Aka in the original Greek, is it θεωμένος aka theosis[-fied]? Cheers from Thessaloniki!
Why does he keep talking about energy-essence distinction? The hesychast monks claimed to see the divine light of Christ, but he’s talking about deification & grace.
The blessed apostles literally gazed upon the glorified Christ while the Mt. Athos monks gazed upon their “navels.” So, how does Palamism address monks “experiencing” what the apostles actually saw? The Tabor light emanated from Christ’s physical person - it wasn’t envisioned by the apostles.
Are his writings in the 38 vol church fathers set? If not, do you have any recommendations for his works? Thanks!
The homilies of Gregeory palamas and the triads also, his biography by John meyendorff
Love St Gregory. Spraznikom!
Wim Mayes Spraznikom! Slava Isus Xristos! St Gregory Palamas is amazing
@@mattbellacotti I hope to venerate his relics in Thessaloniki later this year, virus permitting.
Excellent video. Thank you for addressing the Hesychast councils as ecumenical. I’m always confused when I hear fellow Orthodox claiming we only have 7 ecumenical councils.
Hesychasm is pagan and stupid
@@T_dog1. RCC is in communion with the Eastern Catholic Churches who venerate St. Gregory Palamas and hold to his teachings.
@@bryankoverby The veneration of him was forbidden before Vatican 2. And Barlaam was right.
@@T_dog1 Hasn't John Paul II recognized him as a saint in 1979 although Vatican 2 happened in 1962-1965?
I would love to hear a detailed video explaining what Palamas said about the energies of God.
Are you a convert from islam?
I do think that the vocational orders/Saintly Obediences aren't entirely bad and should be used in America by Orthodox if desired.
The Greeks have Byzantine Benedictines in the Midwest and St. Benedict's Rule is 100% Orthodox.
How is it that God had some energies from the beginning and others later, according to Palamists, if He is immutable? Makes no sense. Plus, now you have two gods! And you expect us to believe you about Church fathers being Palamists?
If you can only know me by my energies, are there two mes?
@@Thedisciplemike retarded. If you claim to have only one god then why does Palamas describe the essence god as being infinitely higher than the energies god?!?!
@Gabriel Garza because you can't know the essence of God. It is unknowable. Uncomphrehenable. Its the same with all of us. Our essence is truly who we are. We can only know someone by their energies. What they do, what they say. This conversation right now is being exchanged through our energies not our essence
@@Thedisciplemike nonsense to say Gods energies are inferior to His essence. Nonsense to say some of Gods energies were without beginning while others came about later. God is immutable. You are a polytheistic pagan.
@Gabriel Garza tell me, friend, where did your energy come from as a human being? You have to say it ultimately came from God. Is your energy any less than the uncreated energy of God? In order for God to be essence, He must operate. Unless you're claiming God did not operate in eternity? Is God not love? If you deny this, you are a pantheist and you have just made everything identical to God.
It's not good to use icons as props and move them around without venerating them. Please avoid that in the future.
Barlaam was right
No salvation then for those that follow him no created can save
Dear brother: Μακάριοι οι πραείς!
They're already dead! Stop!
lol wut?
Dead are those out of the orthodox church
@@user-pj7sq7ce1f we don't limit God this way, others outside the Church may be saved, we cannot know, this is why we can pray for those outside the Church who have died
@@randomguy1453 i answer to the post that actually said saints are dead.saints are not dead but alive in Christ