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Introduction to St. Gregory Palamas with Fr. Christiaan Kappes
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- Опубліковано 18 лис 2021
- Article on Palamas ("Prochoros Kydones against Gregory Palamas") by Fr. Kaapes: www.academia.edu/35761408/Tem...
Thomas de Aquino Byzantinus thab.upatras.gr/
Reference mentioned in talk from Synod of Zamosc:
1720 Synod of Zamosc
- Mansi, vol. 6, 364, col. B, E:
Georgium Palamam non solum uti sanctum coli, aut festo die celebrari, verum etiam eum in nostra ecclesia nominari deinceps prohibet Sancta synodus sub poenis contra schismaticos prescriptis.
(From henceforth the Sacred Synod [of Ruthenians] prohibits under the punishments [reserved] against schismatics by decrees not only to use “saint” to venerate George Palamas, but even prohibits him to be mentioned by name in our church.)
Dominican on Created Grace controversy
Jacques Lison, L’Esprit répandu: La pneumatologie de Grégoire Palamas, Paris 1994
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Fr. Kappes is a great guest, very knowledgable
Great show as always, managed to tease out some points I did not know before regarding Palamas, even though it has been discussed quite a lot on other channels.
Can I get a source for Pius XII and the Slavic Churches mentioned at 1:26:14?
What fascinating conversation, loved it, thank you both. Quickie please, What does Fr Kappes think of the phrasing of the filioque "through the Son" as the Byzantine Scotist recommends?
"through the son" is orthodox in that it is theologically acceptable. "and the son" becomes heretical. The Holy Spirit does not eternally proceed from the Father and the Son because the Holy Spirit and Son both have their eternal procession from the Father alone. The Monarchy of the Father must be maintained or we have lost our understanding of the Triune God.
That was really interesting. Im EO but the whole Essence/energies thing has always bothered me. There was so much to digest & I will be listening to this again.
All the greek Speaking fathers accept it Paul shows it in his epistles he talks about the energies of God
@@user-pj7sq7ce1f that point makes no impact on what i am expressing and is not the issue.
@@Oaktreealley so then you mean God does not operate with his Energies in the creation that are Uncreated.
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Bro, i don’t even understand how the Holy Trinity works. I don’t even understand how God created everything out of nothing. I don’t even understand how i exist in the first place. And you want to lecture me how i should understand how God’s essence and energies work? You can call it what you want but you know darn well, and the Orthodox Church teaches it too, that you as a linear limited human being knows nothing about how God is God
As i said, your original comment doesn’t apply. Yet you want to assume you know what i think.
Go pretend to read minds somewhere else.
@@Oaktreealleywell said oak.
That is so interesting. I wonder how many know that. 39:39
40:30 That’s correct.
1:16:39
This is the Ryan Grant of Eastern Christianity
You mean Fr. Kappes or Tim? Still Ryan is an a very knowledgeable guy.
The intro music is 👌
Cringy lol
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Where does St. Palamas prefer Proclean terminology/constructs over Dionysian? St. Palamas is explicitly anti-Proclean in key areas of his corpus (see e.g., chapters 34 and 35 of the 150 Chapters, where he grounds his metaphysics in the Divine Names, chapters 2.5 and 5.2). In Proclus, the Henads are eternally distinct within God. St. Palamas explicitly rejects this. Oddly enough, the doctrine of eternally distinct Henads is closer to Scotus than it is to Palamas.
Thank you! He didnt actually explain the doctrine, when he was asked to, instead he mostly talked about western scholastic philosophy, also he overlooks the distinction between temporal willed energies (act of creation) and eternal natural energies (divine glory). This was frustrating.
Did I hear that right that Palamas might have had some knowledge of St Thomas’s work? I just heard Marcus Plested say that wasn’t the case on the R & T..?
I haven’t watched the video yet but he’s either referring to hearing about his works indirectly through Cydones are wrongly attributing Barlaam’s theology to Thomistic theology
I’ve watched a video on R & T many times where a Doctor in Theology said he did, and gave examples. As Jay said, maybe that other video was talking about Barlaam?
Didn't palamas literally condemn the entire latin church as heretical including the pope for the fillioque as well as not adhereing to essence energy distinctions
Can someone please direct me to Father’s article on Palamas and the Papacy, I have yet to be able to find it
Linked in the show notes
@@TheMeaningofCatholic Blessings. I believe that article is on the filioque (thank you for linking that one), but if I am not mistaken Father said in an article he discussed Palamas’ high view of the papacy and I’d like to read that one as well.
God bless
I'm Roman Catholic, can I have my baby baptized in the Byzantine tradition?
You need to renounce the false teachings of the Roman Catholic "church." And then leave the Roman communion, because it is a false church.
@JenCady_ I agree. I haven't been catholic for over a year.
@@annabanana2623glory to God and blessed fast I’m assuming you’re now Eastern Orthodox?
@kkr6es Absolutely. My only concern is we have a baby on the way and we dont know what to do with finding godparents. Our family is mostly catholic.
I hope you find God on your journey. Leaving the Catholic Church was a mistake but I wish you all the best.
I have a deep devotion to St. Gregory Palomas whose tomb I visited twice. I wish he was a saint in the Universal Church
He's implicity canonized in the Catholic East, so by proxy he's a saint. Popes approved his veneration in the East as well, so it applies to the whole church.
He was a fervent anti-catholic schismatic, also possibly a heretic.
In any case, him being schismatic ALONE is enough to condemn him to HELL. If he died in his schism, he is in hell now.
@@voxpopuli8132 what heresy did he peach? As far as I know the Catholic Church never condemned Palamaism.
Vox, Rome apparently doesn’t care about his state of “fervent” schism.
@@iliya3110 Well, God does care. Rome has not been caring for a long time now. Doesnt mean a thing.
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As a Roman Catholic, I venerate and love St Gregory Palamas, and his contributions to the Catholic Church and Catholic East are very special. Great Show Gentlemen.
Catholics should NOT venerate schismatics. Also, if he died in that state. then you venerate a person who is in hell now.
Vox…. Come on dude.
@@voxpopuli8132 the eastern católics venerate St. Gregory Palamas.
It’s incredible to me how someone who was never in communion with Rome, refused to be in communion with Rome, and wrote/spoke very explicitly _against_ the Church of Rome can be venerated in the church. How this is not schizophrenic, I don’t know…
@@JoseFlores-vl7ut Yes and they should not.
All he did was adopt Proklean theoretical elements leading to another deity under his God. His authority is derived from a polytheist theologian, certainly not from a rabbi who roamed the fields of Judea.
And which theologian might that be
He's not a saint.
Saint Gregory Palamas is absolutely a saint. He is liturgically venerated in all Byzantine Catholic Churches. It is ironic you, as a Roman Catholic, would get butthurt about that when the Roman Catholic Church has contemporary Eastern Orthodox saints canonized as Roman Catholic Saints (like Sergius of Radonzeh, himself quite anti-latin as well as the Coptic Orthodox martyrs and a handful of others). Trad romanism doesn't decide what the Catholic faith is.
Thanks for playing though.