My Favorite Orthodox Book: The Triads by St. Gregory Palamas
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- Опубліковано 26 чер 2022
- In this video I discuss my favorite Orthodox book, "The Triads," by Saint Gregory Palamas. It is the best defense of true Christian Mysticism that I have ever read. St. Gregory brings up many topics in the course of this book and the topics are extremely relevant to current theological discussions. Topics include, natural law/theology, grace, the essence/energy distinction, the Light of Transfiguration, creation, an Orthodox epistemology and how we can experience God. There are a few translations in English, but in this video I discuss the full translation by Fr. Peter Chamberas.
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So I looked into the quote that I mentioned on pg. 271. "Is this not precisely the doctrine of the Latins, for which they were ejected from within our Church, namely, that it is not the grace but the very Holy Spirit himself who is both sent from the Son and poured out through the Son?" This quote was left out of the Classics of Western Spirituality abridged version printed by Paulist Press. I highly suggest getting the full translation since important quotes and doctrines like these are left out.
Great find
Terrible that they would leave out things just because they don't agree with them.
Wow. This is incredible. St.Gregory was is still so very relevant. Cutting edge. Thank you for the highlights. I'm going to read it.👍
You also might be interested in this book that I just did a review about: ua-cam.com/video/XmXFt5YGs0c/v-deo.html
You've got a new subscriber now, this was a wonderful little introduction to St Gregory's Triads as well as rightly putting that the most common copy is incomplete!
Sounds really interesting - going to try and look that one out! Thanks for the video!!
WoW it's Saint Gregory Palamas' great great great great great grandson 🤣
That's a compliment brother!
God bless!!!
My godson, just the other day, said I look like St. Gregory Palamas 😉
Thanks 👍
This is brilliant summary of the book , I will try getting this book . You mentioned you are going to compare this complete translation with an abridged version published by the Nicholas Gendle. Will you be doing a UA-cam video to share your findings
Thank you for this channel , it’s very good
Thanks man! I might do a video at some time, but I need to reread the Triads and take a lot of notes in order to do that video.
Hi James,
I agree that it’s oftentimes better to get an orthodox translations of an orthodox text, however that is sadly not always available. Different transitions understand different words differently which might lead to misunderstandings.
What about the translation from Fr Meyendorff? Was about to get this one.
Apparently Fr. Meyendorff's book was the complete Greek text with a French translation. The introduction of this translation mentions that this is the first complete translation of the 1962 critical edition by Professor Panagiotis Chrestou.
I actually was in a discussion on discord on with another Protestant who leaned OO and I’m leaning EO and he was arguing just like a barlaamite and stating the Light of Tabor was created but not realizing The Uncreated Light in Genesis 1:3 was never created. Told him about this book.
That's interesting. It's a really important distinction. If grace and the glory that we receive is created, then there is an unbridgeable gap between humanity and God. Also it doesn't make sense that the Glory of God would be a lesser created thing than God Himself.
@@NepticFathersactually if the Glory is created no glorification no salvation. ,nothing created can save. Those that say the energies of God are some created forms when they operate ,actually they deny salvation.
@@user-pj7sq7ce1f Ephesians 2:8 "For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;". If grace is created then there is also the problem you mentioned, where we would be saved by a created intermediator. Orthodox teaching is that grace is uncreated and is God's energy operating in us.
@@NepticFathers correct brother .Also the most important is that heaven and hell in holy orthodoxy is actually God himself. Not that heretic belief that hell supposed is some created fires and flames
@@user-pj7sq7ce1f I don't think we would say that Hell is God himself but the experience of Him or lack of Him in a soul who has rejected Him. I tend to think Hell is the experience of the soul who has blinded themselves to God and that blindness and loneliness creates the Hell. I tend to think of Hell as the endless descent into chaos and nonbeing and getting worse and worse. I really haven't gotten into all the view of Orthodoxy and Hell though and haven't really looked at it in depth.
Thanks for making this video. I never wanted to read the paulist press one but could never find a complete translation. Also what camera do you use for your videos?
Mostly the Canon M50 although I do use a Canon EOSM with Magic Lantern, the only problem is that my computer isn't really powerfull enough to use the RAW video put out by the Canon EOSM. If you are interested in tech/camera help feel free to ask questions.
Also I'm glad you like the video. It's too bad that they don't have the book on Amazon or I would have bought it when it first came out as well as other people knowing that the book exists.
Great summary! I'm disappointed now that I didnt know I bought abridged version and cant get the full book lol
The link was broken. I updated the link. They still have softcovers.
newfoundpublishing.com/product/the-triads/
@@NepticFathers awesome, thank you!
@@NepticFathersI just found your channel and got the book. Thank you very much
Any idea when the Hardcover will come back into print or should I just buy the softcover
It's been out of print for a long time. I would recommend getting the softcover.
@@NepticFathers thank you
Ahh, good choice. The “Barlaam Body Slam” as I like to call it.
Yes, and it is still completely relevant to today as some of Barlaam's views are still held in Roman Catholicism and Protestantism. St. Gregory Palamas intentionally mentions some of the false doctrines of the Latins in this book.
Hey do you have any good orthodox series books?
I have a number of collections, but I haven't started reading them yet unless you count the synaxarions, which I've only read parts of those.
who would you say are the core Orthodox writers to maybe get some anthologies of or abridged writings.
Are you wanting just general writing in Orthodoxy or specifically related to St. Gregory Palamas/the Triads/Hesychasm?
@@NepticFathers .. i think i have a few on the radar for general, so I guess a couple more influential guys of the past/key writings then, kind of like Augustine & Aquinas is to RC or Luther and Calvin is to Protestant.
@@d.c.sodyssey4783 For Orthodoxy there isn't really one or two guys our Theology is shaped by. It's the whole amount of our Church Fathers. A good place to start could be the writings of saints that are included in the Popular Patristics series by SVS Press, then either get those books or the translations in the Public Domain. So a book like "On the Incarnation, " by St. Athanasius, could be a good place to start.
does St gregory affirm a real distinction?
Yes, the distinction is real and not just a construct for human language.
Is this book out of print?
You should still be able to buy a paperback.
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Too bad the book is no longer available in hardcover.
Hopefully they will make some more in the future or go print on demand.
bro, you look like St. Gregory Palamas
I've been using that St. Gregory Palamas facial scrub and facial mask to really nail down the look ;)
hardcover sold out. I'll settle for the paperback.
I hope they do reprints. I stocked up while I could, and got some extras for friends. We need this book to sell out and have a high demand, and possibly do a digital edition. I never thought about it but a lot of the viewers in other countries can't even get the books that I talk about without paying three or four times more for the book with the extra shipping costs.
I sent an email to see if they have plans on reprinting the hardback.
Good. Maybe I'll have to get the hard cover, too, lol.
Palamas taught that God can have a beginning, which is heresy and blasphemy:
Gregory Palamas, Third Triad, 2nd Discourse, # 8: “… we for our part know that while all the energies of God are uncreated, not all are without beginning.”
He teaches that some parts of God are uncreated and that some can have a beginning, which obviously is heretical nonsense that none of the early church fathers ever believed. "Orthodoxy" is false, Catholicism is true. To be saved, one must be a traditional Catholic.
Eastern "Orthodoxy" Exposed: Their Heretical Doctrine Of God
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You obviously don't have any understanding of the above quote. God as creator happened at a specific point in time; God did not create eternally. The energy of God as creator although being uncreated did have a beginning in time because the act of creation started in time. If you had quoted or read the sentences after this, St. Gregory explained what he meant. You don't understand what he says because you believe in Absolute Divine Simplicity, borrowed from philosophers.
@@NepticFathers You don't know what you're talking about. Palamas teaches that the "divine energies" are God, and that they can have a beginning, as the quote cited shows. To deny that would be to lie. No part of God has a beginning. Got it? He also teaches that the "divine energies" (which, according to Palamas are God) are many. That's another blasphemy, as it denies the oneness of God and attempts to divide God into parts. That's shown in the video, among other things. What you attribute to "philosophers" is taught in sacred scripture. You won't save your soul in "Orthodoxy", as adhering to Palamas' heretical, inventive and contradictory nonsense denies basic teachings of Christianity. Also, if you condemn Absolute Divine Simplicity, then you'd have to condemn St. Irenaeus, one of the greatest early church theologians, who taught the same, as even the Eastern "Orthodox" admit.