How to change the oil in the Ducati Multistrada V4S
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- Опубліковано 25 сер 2024
- It might be a bit early but I am changing the oil in my Ducati Multistrada V4S Travel & Radar with no radar yet at 5000 miles.
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How often do you change your oil if you use 100% synthetic like me?
New engines: the initial 650 mile, then again between 2,500 - 5K. Then again at 10K, then I start stretching them out, over time, to about 75-80% max of what their recommended is for North America. The reason for the frequent initial ones is the engine still will have higher to slightly higher amounts of internal break-in debris suspended in the oil. This is being pumped everywhere and these particles are being rubbed and ground against pristine new parts. The longevity of the engine and it's performance can be easily and cheaply be assisted by more frequent changes. The cost of 5 quarts of quality synth oil and a filter should not be a factor for owning this bike, and none of us bought this because it was the cheapest Adv bike out there. We all own a Ducati w/ a modified Panigale V4 superbike engine. :) .....and thanks Rembo for putting all of these vids together!
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Just did the oil and filter change on my multistrada following your video 😊 Your videos are great 👍 from the UK
I am glad that you find them useful. Thank you for posting and letting me know
The shop manual says to warm it up first? I'm not sure if they changed it for the V4 GT motor, but the V4 motor on the Panigales employs a dry sump style system instead of a traditional wet sump. It sprays oil on the clutch instead of the clutch bathing in it. Which means for oil changes, the motor actually should be cold as the oil has to slowly collect in the bottom. Makes oil changes take forever as you gotta drain it cold, fill it, warm it up, then wait an hour or so for the bike to cool to check oil levels.
EDIT:
This also makes sense why your dealer and you noticed the oil level being higher after running the bike post-change. With the bike warm, a good amount of oil is still up in the motor. You drain it, fill with the recommended amount, and actually end up with more than that. The V4 motor is a masterpiece with 10+ oil nozzles throughout spraying oil on important pieces. It is heavily inspired by F1 motors. Traditional motorcycle knowledge doesn't transfer well over to it. If your local dealership hasn't recieved specific training on the motor (likely since COVID put a lot of those courses on hold) then they are probably doing oil changes the traditional way and ending up with overfilled motors.
Great video! I have a suggestion to help with oil change mess . . .
As the oil stream started to slow down I could see splattering. I assume this is due to the stream passing over the grid that is on top of your oil catch pan. That used to happen to me until I devised a technique inspired by the "two bucket approach" to washing a car or motorcycle. You know the drill, one bucket filled with clean soapy water and another bucket to rinse your wash mitt in.
I employ the same method for oil changes. Get a large, old fashioned oil drain container where the opening is like 18" in diameter that has a pour spout on the end of it. Do your main, messy oil drop into this pan and you'll eliminate all that splashing of oil. Once done, you can leisurely pour the oil from this first pan into the one you normally use and use that one to transfer to the oil recycling place. I guarantee you'll see a massive reduction in mess. While you now have two messy oil drain pans, the one I use to transfer to the oil recycling place is now spotless as there is no spillage and with the lid closed on top there is no risk of getting oil anywhere. I will wipe the main drain pan with a paper towel to get rid of most of the oil and then place that pan into a large garbage bag.
Give it a shot.
Great video. Thanks for putting it together.
Muy buen trabajo.
Gracias por el video ;-)
Un saludo desde Barcelona.
Every time I hear "Hey, Rembo here" I think of Remo Williams also smart move doing the early oil change. the particulate matter present in ducati engine oil is pretty wild
I read 30 Remo William, The Destroyer series softcovers in the early 80's in 30 days.
I am at my mandatory second annual service. I usually do the service myself and clear the service indicator on the dash by setting the calendar back a year. No can do this time because you can only set the calendar date back to the date of the last service that the dealer software entered into the bike. I called them up and the dealers now have an option to let the owner do the oil change and they do the safety inspection and charge only $79.50 and reset the indicator light. This video is great and I am doing the oil change today and have the dealer service and indicator reset on Tuesday.
Where are you located? I never heard of this.
@@RemboUSMC I'm in the So Cal. It was interesting yesterday. There was a sign in the service department showing the service intervals for all "out of production motorcycles" My 2021 V4S was on it. It showed the annual service as a 1/2 hour service (my dealer charges $159/hr) so it was a $79.50 service. The sign was obviously printed by Ducati. They said that oil is no longer part of the annual service on my bike because my owners manual shows Oil as every 24 months or 9K miles so they can't require it annually. They did the service and reset the dash. The rub comes in that I got several software updates. One of them changed the service interval indicator on the menu. It now shows both time until next service (1 year) and miles to next oil change seperately. They said that I would be able to do the oil change myself and reset that indicator but I have a funny feeling that when those few miles are up there could be an issue of having to pay them to do the oil to reset that indicator. They did not seem to know for sure. I have to go back when the parts came in to fix my leaking fork seals and I'll research more then. BTW are leaking fork seals a thing on these bikes?
@@neilcorey2900 Very interesting information. Thank you for sharing with us.
👌 appreciate yr tutorial video. Now I'm thinking of having mltstd V 4 . Look forward to see more of yr informative video .
Thank you again. Just changed my oil.
Totally agree with the 5K mile oil change. Especially if the owner does not use the extended life spacial oils specified for the bike.
It was worth watching just to see that the oil filter cap holes were oversized and threaded! Thanks.
Regarding 9000 miles oil change, Ducati wouldn’t recommend this if they hadn’t done 100’s of thousands of miles in the development testing and proved the oil was still in excellent t condition. Oil analysis is the real method of determining when to change your oil. Full synthetic is so much better than regular oils, there is no comparison. Regarding the color, blow-by of combustion gasses through the rings and valve seals is the main contaminant of the oil. Ultra-fine particulates are included in these combustion products and consist mainly of soft carbon. Of course, these turn the oil to a darker color. However, they are not a significant contributor to engine wear. The temperature capability of full synthetic is much higher, thus can go a long time before the lubricating properties deteriorate.
I just changed my oil at 9000 miles and am totally confident in that choice. Amazingly, the oil level was perfect at the beginning and exactly the same at time of change. The engineering behind cylinder, piston, and rings has really gone to another level the last several decades. Engines just don’t use oil anymore.
Americans changing their car engine oil at 3000 miles with full synthetic is a ridiculous waste of oil and money. That’s probably set by -6 sigma oil consumption rate, since people rarely check their oil level these days and go a whole oil change without checking.
I understand. It is just that I am in Florida where it get very hot and very humid all year.
@@RemboUSMC I’m in Southern Utah. We had a month or more last year where it was 105-110 every day, and over 100 every day for 3 months. That drives up oil temperature. But I don’t understand your connection between humidity and oil. Humidity reduces combustion temperature. It also increases heat transfer from the radiator to the air. Engines don’t use evaporative cooling as our bodies do. Am I missing something?
@@stevearnold3578 personal decisions
here in Australia it cost me $450 ($380 USD)for a service. I was pretty mad especially when I asked the dealer before I bought it and he said $250 to service it. I also asked them about how dark the oil was in such a short time and they told me its because the oil they use is dark green.
That is a bit pricey for sure.
Contacted the local dealer regarding thightenig of the bolts as the manual says nothing about this as far as I know.
Oilfilter-bolts - 10NM
Drain-plug 14Nm
Thanks for the info
Hi, does doing an oil change yourself cause any warning light to be activated? Thanks.
Very useful, thanks!
Glad you like it.
I know they are bigger but Do the 8mm bolts that pop out the oil filter cap dig into the thread a little?
I have heard of people using 8mm bolts and slightly damage the thread entrance. then it’s slightly harder to get the original bolts back in?
This. I just used this method for changing my oil on my V4 Rally this evening and the 8mm bolts did gall the openings…heck, they started to tap an 8mm thread into the 6mm exiting holes. If the steel bolts start to bite into the soft aluminum, this is going to happen. I initially saw the aluminum shavings and when I inspected the holes…sure enough, they were being enlarged by the 8mm bolts. YMMV, but I will be trying something different to remove that filter cover next time.
Great video, thanks! Will definitely plan to do my own oil change and now I know the exact steps. Where do you recommend to purchase those o-rings, crush washer, and new oil filter?
You can get the Ducati branded oil change kit (oil filter, O-rings and crush washer on Amazon - $38.45) My dealer quoted me $53.
@@jerrybrooks3075 Do you have a link for that oil change Kit?
Oh just before I sign for the bike and hand you large amounts of my hard earned cash, I’m going to need the following torque values on your headed paper in writing……..or better still a workshop manual 😉. Good job and I don’t care what anybody says I always change the oil / filter at half distance as well👍👍👍
Right on!
Half the cost but twice the supplies so it basically evens out. Ducati oil is around 18-25 a quart and you need 3 or 4 quarts. Oil changes at Dealerships is like buying gas at full price and then pouring it out on the sidewalk. Unless you get the services for free which most if not all dealerships will do that on brand new purchases.
It does not even out. Doing your own is much less expensive.
Well there is the time it takes you , the supplies it takes to get, the waste you have to get rid of. So an 120 dollar oil change works out the same. Except you don't smell like a monkey, ruin your shoes or clothes. Its peanuts really. I do like to wrench my own bikes but i also like to come back to a washed bike as well as my service center does. So guess your mileage will very.@@RemboUSMC
I guess I can't agree with your assessment because this is such a simple job and pretty clean and easy to do. I just drive down the street to an auto parts store and they accept used oil so this really is way less expensive plus you have the enjoyment and satisfaction of doing something for yourself.
@@ThirlawayFilms
That oil definitely looked bad. The oil in my friend's MTS V4S looks really clean and that has done nearly 8k- mainly long rides on the freeway, like yours. A good precaution particularly in such a young engine and especially if the deal over-filled it. Hopefully yours won't be affected by the recall.
Thank you for the information and I appreciate the good words. I hope I am not affected by the recall either.
New rules for v4.. first service change the motor..! 😊🤙
Lol probably true. Still checking my VIN against the recall. So far so good
Ducati made some improvement here, the drain bolt and filter was placed side of the engine 👍as opposed to the street fighter , underneath and pain in the neck👎. Multistrada will sell well for Ducati 👍❤️
Wondering if Ducati techs use a slide hammer to draw that cap out.
It is certainly an option
Great video and very informative. Were you able to reset your service light or reminder on the screen?
No only Ducati can do that
you will still have to change at 9000 or 1 year as your service lamp will be on.
how do you reset your bike so the notification stops coming up on the dash?
You can’t
Did the new o-rings come with the kit? Will I run into any problem if I use the same?
The O-rings come with the kit and I highly recommend using them
Great video . Where do you order your oil, filter and plug?
From the dealer so they have records that it was changed if there was a warranty issue in the future.
Hi Rembo, I love the new Multistrada V4S Hopefully i can purchase one in a couple of months I hope you can start using your Radar soon!
Just one question, did you get the tyre management system on your bike?
Hey Gary- I was seriously considering the Ducati OEM TPMS system but have done more research and found an aftermarket solution to be far superior (and less expensive). It’s called FOBO Bike 2, and it’s $100 on Amazon. Uses plug sensors and a smartphone app. Looks very impressive and highly reviewed.
www.my-fobo.com/product-family/FOBO_Bike_2
@@hoodooguru5217 Thank you for the feedback Hoodoo Guru! I had a look at the link you sent me and that system looks impressive. I like the idea that you can set the thresholds for the air pressure. thank you for your information buddy - ride safe!
@@garygow3308 sure thing. I’ve spent FAR too much time researching this Ducati Multistrada V4S and all the add-ons I’m planning for it. 😉 So I think I’m fairly well versed in a number of aftermarket solutions to make this an even better bike. Looking forward to finally getting mine next month.
@@garygow3308 I purchased the tyre management system for my V4S and I am not sure it is worth $200 per wheel plus the cost to install them. Also Ducati apparently has different part numbers for the front and rear sensor and also for spoked versus cast wheels. My dealer ended up ordering two front tire pressure sensors instead of a front and a rear. I don’t really blame the dealer as the process to order the sensors through Ducati’s system appears to be confusing. I am already down the rabbits hole with the Ducati TPMS, but I would recommend others look at a less costly third party solution. The Ducati system only displays pressure (in bar) and does not show temperature.
@@brianweber5075 Hi Brian, thank you for your insight regarding the tyre management system. I don’t think I will go down the road of Ducati supplying it for me. I actually like the system Hoodoo Guru suggested. Thanks buddy!
A Multistrada is on my short list for next Bike. I'm even worse, i'm a 2500 mile oil changer. And Yes, save money by doing your own changes. You can train a Chimp to change oil, just teach him how to use the Torque wrench 🐒
Ayup you mention South Florida assume it's hot there so my question is. When riding in traffic city centre etc how hot do your bollocks get? The front two cylinders turn off when stationary does it make it cooler or is it a hot bullocks area? You don't get this on BMW. Also 2021 KTM 1290s also say they have a cooler running better vented away hot air from they're new V Twin as Ducati also say on the V4?
I live in South Florida and it gets very hot, the bike runs hotter than my Indian scout bobber did, however I don’t feel it as much as I did with the Indian. Ducati does a great job of venting away from you
nice...now how do you reset the oil service light?
You cannot. I cannot. yet.......
If you decide to run a youtube showing the air filter replacement I would appreciate it
Just had mine done by the dealer. It was the first one they did and thought it would take longer but it was still a pain in the butt. I will figure it out for the next one. It is NOT under the tank like we thought though.
@@RemboUSMC I went to the dealer and they let me take a couple pictures of where it is located which is just behind the steering tree in the front not sure how hard that will be to get to but can’t be any harder than removing the tank that’s for certain
Which thread size are used to pullout the cap?
I will have to check that. I forgot.
Not too bad, thanks for the vid. I remember on the 2014 Multi I had, you to either modify the belly pan or remove the center stand to remove the belly pan (head scratcher) to get to the drain plug and filter. I think I actually prefer this filter type to the typical spin on oil filter.
A couple questions for you: The oil filter cover is plastic, yes? I think you mentioned you bought 8mm bolts to remove the housing and then later said 10mm bolts to remove the cap from the filter housing. Is it a 10mm bolt? I wonder if you can find those in nylon to avoid grinding the metal screw against the metal face of the housing.
I don't think there is enough pressure to create any issued against the housing and it is designed to be used this way. I believe it is some sort of plastic/polymer/etc. Not sure where to find nylon bolts as they are very specialty. Great idea though.
Ha, you talk like you're buying one Paul! 😁
Nothing is off the table. 😂
That is weird, after the 1st service, mine is overfull. It's nothing daft like it's level when its on the side stand is it? As, if you haven't got the centre stand, bike lift or paddock stands, then how do you know when it's correctly level? You can't just hold the bike upright, pour it in and check to see when level. When mine's on the SS then the level is correct. I can't believe Ducati service would overfill it or fill it to level on the SS, they have bike lifts.
I just put the correct amount in and hold it upright while looking at it. I have the center stand and a jack but I have had it on the side stand and just held it vertical to check the level.
Hi, is ur bike part of the recall...... i also picked up the V4S, luckily not part of the recall.
So far it is not. I check the VIN every day.
The dealers have the VIN with impacted inventory, they will know if ur bike is part of the recall...... though the deal to compensate for the recall is not bad.
@@nareshrao2455 I have not been contacted yet but I think I will be proactive and call them first.
@@RemboUSMC you can call and tell them I want recall for me doesn't matter how😄😄😄
At the 650-700 mile initial maintenance you had the dealership perform, other than an oil change, what else did they do? Was it all just basic maintenance anyone can perform (oil, chain, fluid checks, etc.), or did they go deeper (valve adj., etc.)?
The basics and since it was the first service, I wanted it to be documented for warranty purposes.
@@RemboUSMC Good call on having that first one documented. Definitely want to set up their records for any future warranty issues. I was just curious as to how extensive it was. Thanks for the fast reply, and keep up the great videos!
Great Video can you be more specific with the 8 mm screws you using removing the Oil Filter Cover. Is it 8mm length and what M size is it? I need to buy three of those to do my Oil Change on my own. I would appreciate to have the size info in mm not inch.
M8
@@RemboUSMC it’s the wrong size. The actual size is (3x) M6 screws with an 8 mm wrench or socket not 8M!
@@JesusAlleineRettet its definitely not an M6, dont know what you're talking about
Maybe having too much engine oil was burning the oil up faster than usual?
Did you do all this on the side stand or center stand?
Center stand and side stand to help drain.
@@RemboUSMC 10 4 Thanks. I just got a '22 V4S this month so I've watched a lot of your videos. So far it's a great bike 👍
Enjoy your new ride @@robdlc438
What is 4.7 quarts in litres please
Almost the same. 4.44 liters
Hello, crushwasher torq is 25 Nm 😉
Thank you for sharing.
You always have to question the motivation behind the intervals these manufacturers set. Can 4.5 quarts actually protect the engine for 9,000 miles, is it meant to reduce maintenance, or is it to be environmentally friendly by conserving oil use? Given the valve adjustment intervals that they are claiming, I’m guessing that they are going for reduced maintenance and environmental reasons. I think my Kawasaki’s and Honda’s have had oil change intervals of 8,000 miles. I do them at half of that.
Manufacturers are notorious for recommending services more frequently than actually needed. They make money on services and want you in as often as realistically possible. Modern synthetic oils have been tested and shown to last far beyond what manufacturers recommend. It is a myth that just because the oil is black that it has lost its viscosity and is no longer doing its job. The reason the oil turns dark is that it is doing it's job by cleaning the engine and suspending the deposits in the oil so they can be removed with the oil. Now I have no issue if someone wants to change oil more frequently because keeping fresh oil in an engine is the best way to help it last as long as possible, especially in warmer climate areas but it doesn't mean you have to. I have run an air cooled Harley engine 3k miles past what the recommended service interval was, in the summer in FL, and sent a sample of the oil in to be tested. It came back with excellent results even though the oil was totally black. I'm not at all saying people should run longer intervals just merely pointing out that if you go a little over in mileage there is a great chance the oil is still doing its job.
Great information. Thank you for sharing.
Thanks for the video! Does the bike prompt you to change the oil at the 9k intervals? If so, are you able to clear the prompt or reset the mileage for the oil change when you do it yourself? I'm looking at the Multi V4 and the R1250GS, and I like that there is a tool for the BMW that lets you access the bike's computer to do your own maintenance.
I suppose I will find out when I get to the 9K range. I will ask the dealer. I thought about this but keep forgetting to ask them. Since the bike is new, aftermarket devices are hard to find right now.
I just did my 600 miles change myself, part of the reason was rembo's excellent video, the other that my dealership is 400 miles away. When I was trying to figure out how to reset the oil service light, I found out you can't. My dealer confirmed this, you need a dealer to do this. I find this somehwat funny that a bike which is sold as an adventure travel bike only let's you get as far as you can reach a Ducati dealership.
@@1PABLOEMMA2 I recently test rode the Multi V4 and confirmed it with my dealer, too. Not only do you have to have the dealer reset the light, they will charge you 15-30 minutes of labor. I'm leaning toward the R1250GS because of the various aftermarket tools that allow you to perform service tasks like resetting service intervals and other electronic maintenance items.
There’s a Panigale V4 forum that discusses this. The takeaway is you’ll need to buy an aftermarket device +all necessary cables, to reset it, at a price north of $2000. Or take it to the Stealership and pay them a shop rate for the time to reset. If you go the dealer route have them update the bike’s software while they’re at it. May as well get something for your $…
Is it possible to reset the service on the handlebars or is it necessary via PC diagnostics? Thank you
The only way I could have it reset was to take it into the Ducati dealer
@@RemboUSMC and what did they say you were changing the oil yourself and only came to clear the service? otherwise are you excited about motorcycles? i are choosing between v4s and gs adv thank you
I asked the dealership about doing my own servicing, especially since I live so far away. Even the manual makes it sound like if you don't get the dealership to lube the chain, you are out of warranty! Obviously illegal, but they make it annoying, at the very least. The dealer indicated, yes, I could do it all myself. However, I would not be able to reset any service warnings, as it required special electronics to do so, that only Ducati dealerships have? Really? What, if anything, do you do about it? I rather suspect it may be the diagnostic port (like OBD-II?), where you just send it a code.
I just heard the same thing from my dealer. I am working with them to see if I buy the oil and filter from them if they will reset the warning.
I didn’t really like the way your removed the filter cover with the other bolts. Looks like it left shavings and/or started to grind the threads on the case.
Not trying to be rude… is there a better way to get this off? Maybe a plastic pry tool?
That filter cover is an absolute pain. I have a V4 Panigale and it's the same setup, just on the bottom instead of the side. I replaced mine with an aftermarket version that has a pin you can grab with a tool to pull it out. The sucker is in there SNUG and it is virtually impossible to pry out. Would require something hard/stiff enough to pry with significant force, but not hard enough to damage the casing material. Really poor filter cap design, I guess they were really nervous about it leaking so they made it ridiculously snug.
@@Maverickib I’ll see if I can find an aftermarket cover.
The factory holes are threaded a size larger? I wonder if instead of pressing against the case they intend for you to put the bolt in just far enough and pry that instead.
@@mrgrey2k I'm not sure what the "factory" way of doing things is, but people have been doing it by screwing the M8 bolts ever since they threaded them on Panigales back in 2013 or so. I know some people have had success the way you mentioned, just threading them in enough to touch the case and then pulling to pop it off. Sounds good, as long as there's enough threads for that kind of force. The main issue is the cap cannot "wiggle," it can only rotate. So uneven force on any bolt point will cause it to just jam in and end up with sheared threads when it rips off. The cap I purchased is the TRO "Easy Off" Filter cap. It is for the V4 Panigales and Streetfighters. The cap on the multi looks very similar, but you might want to swing by the dealership and ask to see a spare to see if it's the same dimensions on the multi. Ducati likes to keep unique part numbers down thankfully, so I wouldn't be surprised if it's the same.
It is the recommended method an I have no issues doing it that way. Just be careful.
How do you reset the service message
You can’t. Only Ducati can
@@RemboUSMC Roger that. Thanks.
I have always thought oil is cheap insurance in the long run.
Agree
It was recommended to me to cut my mileage between oil changes (Toyota Tacoma) to half, because I live in Northern Alberta, Canada. I'll be doing much the same for the Multistrada.
Do you have the specs for the 2 O-Rings (size/diameter), and the 3 bolts you used to push out the filter cover? Are the bolts just longer than the stock ones?
And what is the oil filter spec?
Thanks!
I have no specs on the O-rings but the bolts were a regular 8mm
You have overfill
Wow, we twins, I just finished changing my oil last week with 5,100, the oil got dark, by 9k the oil would be completely broke down in my opinion.