Malenia, Blade of Miquella [1 Hit, Deathless] RL1+0 Zwei Only - Elden Ring Challenge Run
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- Опубліковано 8 лип 2024
- 1 Dumb hit, not bad. I think the bell curve of Malenia is noobs hate her, then you get consistent wins and like her, then you challenge runner and hate her again.
Stop b***hing about Waterfowl Run-Around dodge and learn to sprinting jump you cretins:
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OK so some BS I noticed while fighting Malenia: Her poise/posture immunity mechanic is inconsistent in the sense that her immunity frames from one attack can sometimes linger and overlap with the startup of another attack that has this, causing you to attack and she just tanks it and does her attack on you. This might explain why she also stands still or does a full recovery animation but takes seemingly no hit-stun/stagger.
Phase 1 is awful. Her aggro is just broken and she just will stand there unless you cross one of two aggro rings. She won't even aggro you if you hit her sometimes. This coupled with the fact that she can instantly enter a hyperarmor attack makes punishing her neutral very unsafe and drags out the fight to 3 times longer than it should be. Phase 2 she actually makes way more sense as she is so aggressive she will just start another attack once one ends, so you just have to know the recovery of attacks, rather than trying to walk up to her face with a reaction roll ready to see if she is going to waterfowl out of edgewalk animation. Phase 2 also has her jumping into the air which is easily punished with a roll and then fully charged R2 so way more big punish opportunities.
Her kit is pretty boring, like if you take out waterfowl she has the most bland moveset ever. Dodging waterfowl dance is the most fun you'll have with Malenia. Besides that, the idea to have a boss that can access any move at any time to make custom combos sounds like a great idea. In execution it's more like she endlessly strings meh, singular attacks in a not so engaging way and you have to more or less account for a ton of options for any given situation to the point where it limits your openings.
Her tracking is jank. She will just attack facing away from you or even dash in a circle right at you and dead angle attacks while turning them at you, which is completely f**Ked to dodge when she should just have dedicated attacks for when players are behind her. in Phase 2 with her wings, if she starts an attack facing away from you you cannot see what attack she is doing on attacks that have ~ 0.5 second reaction time. You can still tell tho with how her body moves but it can be tough, you have to be really sharp.
The terrain hard messes with her moves, making some attacks impossible to dodge at times. This isn't really a unique problem to her but she already has inconsistent attack patterns and frame data. 1 year later I now am more inclined to agree with Swagopagos in that her posture/poise/stagger immunity or hyperarmor mechanic is a patchwork solution for the problem that she was likely way too vulnerable to posture breaks.
Her combo flowcharts hard punish rolling at her in a lot of cases.
Thematically she is a miss as the goddess of rot in her mechanics. Aside from walking into the easily punishable pink explosions, standing in scarlet aeonia for some reason, or blocking an entire Waterfowl Dance, she will kill you 20 times over before she will ever rot you. I think it would have been interesting if she had a few more low damage moves that apply multihit or lots of rot buildup as getting rotted is an extremely bad situation vs a boss like Malenia anyways as you really have to know her kit very well to know when you can heal or use an item. This would be problematic with her erratic AI in phase 1 but phase 2 has alot more consistent windows for this.
tl;dr She is fun to beat to death and dodge waterfowl but she is hellish to hitless.
This is from my infamous "Suck it Anderson" Elden Ring challenge run. I always nickname runs so they aren't such a mouthful, but basically it's a Zweihander only, RL1+0 build. The point of this run is for me to have fun mastering the bosses while showing that anyone with two eyeballs and a heartbeat can learn the bosses, and to show that colossal weapons are better now than they have ever been. The posture system is a better incentive to playing aggressive than the rally system ever was tbh.
Timestamps:
0:00 Hell
3:51 The Hit in Question
8:08 Phase 2
12:49 We Both Go Sicko Mode
#eldenring #challengerun #hitless - Ігри
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I did this fight with medium roll. 6 waterfowl dances and 2 clone attacks dodged perfectly, 4 waterfowls and 1 clone attack of which all happen when she is in phase 2 with 25% remaining HP.
The jump dodge is consistent even with a late start, it's more about timing than distance away from her: clips.twitch.tv/PrettySpoopyHareBatChest-g8b0cKWMd4rzuEAi
I have some footage of me doing it from point black while still stuck on R2 recovery, I'll try and find it and make a video about it.
Until then, Waterfowl Dance Dodge Timestamps: 2:47 --> 9:40 --> 12:49 --> 13:21 --> 14:52 --> 15:40
Bro I am so happy. You used the EXACT same methods for dodging Scarlet Clone and Waterfowl that I use. Cheers!
When i use a weapon that causes heavy stagger, i can do the sprint+jump strat effortlessly, but with something like a straight or curved sword i always get nicked. It is incredibly weird.
@@somechumpontheinternet3143 it's probably the arms hanging too low in the jump animation, which makes it much harder as opposed to a weapon that is held over the shoulder
Honestly I think waterfowl was the thing that killed me the least during my attempt. I was always able to dodge it point blank.
You did a great job, aaa greeaaattt JOB.
Joseph Anderson: You see the only reason he could do this is because of animation munching that worked in his favor.
joseph really is a butthurt souls veteran tryhard that got his souls vet ego beaten into the ground and couldnt accept reality XD
I would love to do a clockwork orange on Joseph Anderson where he is forced to watch this. Dude this is the way to play the game instead of crapping on it because he has zero skill. Unfortunately he still gets the clicks
Marvellously fought. Melania has honestly become one of my favourite fights in Elden Ring now that I can consistently fight her. Also in regards to Melania “not following the rules” I recommend Magicats video “In defence of Melania” which covers a lot of the criticisms people throw at the boss.
Best of luck for Radagon and Elden Beast!
Malenia XD
@@RandomPerson-rt8zt Melina kekw
Finally someone showcasing sprint jumping waterfowl lmao. Ridiculous that this isn't more widely known.
timestamps please if you notice something cool
The boss everyone either loves to hate or hates to love
I've been trying the run and jump method for a while now, but could never get it to consistently, fully dodge WFD. I never saw other people try it and succeed either so I started to lose faith in it, but this video proved me wrong and showed me to focus more on timing than distance. Thank you.
It may have to do with what weapon you hold as how low your arms hang in the animation can affect your hitbox so it becomes harder
Are you using a mod that raises your FPS? The jump method doesn't work consistently at 120 FPS because Melania gets better tracking. The close range circle dodge is likewise nearly impossible at 120 FPS.
He did it, the madman did it
SUCK IT JOSEPH FOR LUPINEOS IS HERE WRECK HOUSE FUCK YEAAAHHHHH
Fought her at rl100 with a +16 Greathammer; felt extremely cathartic to consistently punish her and get away from attacks. It's not a rl1 run, sure, but I'd never had patience for Soulsborne SL1 since they're so inconsistent. Glad to finally see you finishing this Odyssey, hope you take a rest after this.
Only Radabeast remains 😤
@@loopine oof thats gonna be a slog with an unupgraded zwei, good luck
Happy that I got to see this live. It's one of my favourite fights in Elden Ring although she has a lot of inconsistencies, I wish she had more polish to her. But it still is one of the fights I always look forwards to when starting a new game. And hopefully, people through this video can see that jump dodge is viable.
Incredible end of the fight. Congrats!
Adding to the point of the terrain messing with her moves, at the time I beat her (june 2022) when she started some specific attacks of her kit in the edge of the arena she would automatically cancel the animation and return to a neutral state. This was great when the attack she was gonna make was Waterflow, but most of the times they were the easily punishable attacks, which I wasn't very happy about ofc. Idc if this has been patched since then (not even sure if it's a bug).
Still, I'm firmly in the camp of ''I hate to love her''. I'm pretty sure she suffered from rushed development, but the fight itself was mostly fun for me and she has an incredible soundtrack and visual design. Top 5 in the game imo.
Absolutely carried by that powerful mustache
But actually I've been really enjoying this whole run despite not being your typical fan of challenge runs. You basically map out a tutorial on every window that a boss has and then just hammer away at those windows while maintaining just an absurd amount of focus that's just a marvel to watch. Radagon should be a fun one, really looking forward to it
Same brother 😍
Yeah, I was watching this seeing all of Malenia's openings with Zwei, like "wowza, that's a
You know this was a good fight from his side when even I got racing heart and adrenaline rush just from watching it! GG bro, that was beautiful, especially how you mastered all of her moves!
It's been so much fun seeing you take on these Bosses with the Bare Bones Stats/Equipment!
LESSSSS FUCKIN GOOOOOOOOOO
ZWEI BROS 🫡🫡🫡🫡🫡🫡🫡
mad respect to the guilty gear and mgrr soundtrack, actually goated
oh shit, it actually happened
Solid. Been looking at your videos for guidance on challene runs. Well done man!!
FUCKIN SO HYPED FOR THAT LOVE THE SUBHUMAN SELF PHASE 2. Also damn impressive display of general game mechanic and boss knowledge, I was able to beat her using just powerstanced whips a few patches ago and ever since then I knew that people were overselling how "impossible" this boss was without using corpse piler and this vid only strengthens the argument against those arguments. Anyway, my sleep deprived rambling aside, great vid.
KING OF KINGS
Goddammit I wanted to catch this live. Still congrats my dude! I still can’t beat this ho alone on a normal ass build so I have endless respect.
Beautiful
Yoo, he's done it. Nice work
Only golden boi remains
Melania Deathleeeeeesssss!!!!!!
Great job defeating malenia with the zweihander RL1+0, i watched the fight on your twitch channel and the fight seemed so fun and enjoyable that i tried doing your challenge with malenia and holy shit i spent 16 hours to defeat her and only seen phase 2 probably less than 20 times and it was really hard but at least enjoyable.
I really hated how passive she was on her first phase along with her hyperarmor posture immunity that made the fight even harder along with some of her jank like activating her deflection animation when you haven't even attacked her or her triple quick slash attack from neutral. Her second phase was a much better experience that i wished she was at least this aggressive in her first phase.
Yea phase 1 is a grind
I don’t like her posture immunity with hyper armor but I’m not sure if I dislike her passivity. She’s pretty easy to aggro and in phase 2 I feel like waterfowl is significantly more rng than in phase 1 which can make victory slightly reliant on luck if you have not already mastered waterfowl dance
Trying rl1 +0 for her now as well and running into the same problems for phase 1 :/
I just soloed Malenia for the first time last night (NG+7), I feel like I could do pretty good if given another chance, but I need to be able to confidently beat her, started another ng+ cycle, I’ll update you guys on how her fight goes
insane skill man
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I am currently doing my own zwei run and i haven't experienced the jank you talk about in the description.
(Except the phase 2 wings blocking the attacks)
Well shit, now it’s just radagon and Elden beast.
I've noticed you hold blocks briefly in a lot of your footage; is that a stamina regen thing like rapid-crouching?
It's guard cancelling, something that's been around since all of souls I think. You basically cancel any cancellable animation with a block animation, which allows you to do things like transition into a sprint faster by skipping the animation where you start sprinting or like cancelling the turn around animation when I'm sprinting away from malenia etc. Tons of applications
It's finally joever! Took me waaaay too long to beat her
Man you really don't like her huh? top 2 ER boss for me. Also hard disagree on the thematic miss point. Everything about the visuals of the second phase screams "scarlet rot", regardless of the actual proc.
Great fight though! Really like how aggressive you were, staying in her face pretty much the whole time.
Yea she will definitely rot you if you block a lot or are really tanky so there's that I guess. I don't hate her I just think she's a weak sharbearer fight but still a pretty decent fight in the grand scheme of soulsbourne bosses. Doing hitless base level for her is an exercise of insanity though
@@loopine "hitless base level for her is an exercise of insanity". I believe it. Good luck with Radagon, his 3rd phase teleporting can get pretty nuts with bad rng.
He better give Radagon a good showing
@@aly3392 Tell Radagon he better bring his boiz with him cuz I got the guns with me. 💪Zwei and 💪Hander
Absolutely phenomenal run, you're insane my guy, doing a Colossal sword RL1 run hitless (apart from THAT 1 hit), disproving the UA-camr critics lol, I have a question, I see you're doing the blocking animation, what is the reason for that?
It's guard cancelling, something that's been around since all of souls I think. You basically cancel any cancellable animation with a block animation, which allows you to do things like transition into a sprint faster by skipping the animation where you start sprinting or like cancelling the turn around animation when I'm sprinting away from malenia etc. Tons of applications, most of them PvP. ITs the same thing like when you cancel a roll recovery animation with a parry for example.
@@loopine I see, thanks for the explanation, I'd totally utilize that in my next playthrough out of the 30 other NG+ playthroughs I've done in Elden Ring so far lol.
Gameplay: Amazing
Mustache: Legendary
honesty am surprised I came out my ng+7 +0 powerstance straight swords run not hating her guts but liking her. GGs on the kill
Margit better tho (Can be said about most soulsborne bosses)
having a greatsword in the offhand just to dodge the waterfowl was a good idea. triple slash 😐I can see the difference in animation, but idk if it’s the arena or something but the elevation makes me confuse them sometimes. I’m probably just coping
I have a vid about how I deal with it right around when I dropped this one. You can also save yourself the hassle and just space both options and charge an r2. Think I've seen people jump it for a heavy r2 to stagger her also. The no roll strat is you run to her right and she will miss everything. In heavy elevation discrepancies it can become impossible to dodge although I've rarely ever seen it.
Well done. Now do this with bare fists, while overloaded and with Shabriri's Woe. Then you'll be a REAL Gamer!😜
Still waiting for you to give the people what they want and do this at level 200 with max weapon upgrades.
Nice thumbnail 😂
youre cracked bro i can barely beat her at level 700😂
I can't consistently dodge the 3rd flurry attack 😔
I remember for a bit I started getting hit by third flurry. It ended up being that I was moving during the delay before she lunges and it would throw off her tracking. It's best to stand absolutely still until she's behind you.
@@loopineI just realized that I can't really do certain dodges you do because I'm playing with kb+m
There's just 1 thing I don't understand. Why is "Deathless" in the title? 🤷♂
Did it as a joke for another runner trying to find the dumbest way to name a run
@@loopine LOL nice :D
14:37 ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Most inconsistent boss of all time
Joseph anderson is such a bad critic he even fails at trashtalking a terrible boss like malenia ( i love malenia but her design is absoluteley terrible)