As much as a I love Shroud, it is pretty flawed in that the reward for keeping damaged invaders on the board is not worth over just removing them if given the opportunity. Maybe if one of it's power cards had an effect of ignoring damaged invaders in the build step, e.g. if a land had two towns and 1 city, if one town was damaged then the land would build another town instead of a city. Something along those lines to slow the invader progression in a land on top of getting more fear.
If that Trickster1st turn major reclaim loop vid doesn't come out soon I'm going to have to experiment with that. Cause that sounds right up there with no reclaim Starlight for silly fun. I like me some off-the-wall Strats. I remember when lightning don't play anything turn 1 seemed off-the-wall. In like 1998 in a game called Utopia I did a crazy strat that did super well and I'm still riding that high
i love that you put this out three days ago, just after I bought Spirit Island and am starting to get into this game. Also, I find it so funny you put the Dreams guy in F-tier because it's probably my favourite of the starting ones right now just because I love the fear mechanic so much (but I've only really played easy levels so far). But great videos keep it up!
I really enjoy this video, it’s cool content. I don’t have a lot of games with shroud at all. Less than 10, Prussia 4 to learn why the cards do, then some Prussia, France, and Sweden 6 games all true solo. There is always a point at the beginning where I’m like “HOW AM I GONNA PAY MY RENT”. And then I have a couple points with super long crunches. I enjoy when I play because the puzzle is interesting and different, I also try to clear lands here there too. But I never just enjoy them start to finish, there is some anguish every game with them for me. :P
I have the base game and I'm considering expansions.. It's really interesting that you put half of the base game spirits in F tier. I think I mostly agree with your order of base game spirits but other people whose videos I watched all seem to LOVE Thunderspeaker so it's interesting you put them at the bottom. My favorite currently is Spread of Rampant Green so I think your video convinced me I'll like the expansion spirits.
I enjoy Fractured in a multiplayer setting. In solo or multi spirit solo, I find the spirit to be too taxing and the games to take too long (Atleast if perpetually played)
It's interesting (and makes sense) that you seem to hate spirits that don't have a lot of variety in build. A lot of folks' faves are in your F tier, and I think that's because those spirits have one strong, evocative gimmick that dictates how the game is played. On the other hand, that means the way the game is played is fairly dictated.
@kotgaf7332 you can play 9 minors in two turns with the second growth option, so spamming minors is a thing. On the other hand, the energy spike suggests a major build too. I normally go for majors, but if you have Wildfire on your team, that extra +1 damage can really mean a lot if you have 3 or 4 damaging minors in a match up that isn't England.
I love stone too. Pretty indestructible when they can’t damage the island…every spirit is fun for me tho. I haven’t played all spirits on high difficulties, just messing around at low levels and adding some extra buildings etc myself to adjust difficulties
Do we have any idea if they plan to release the spirits (including uniques) as an expansion with the same card stock as the original? Buying Horizons as well as having the panels shipped from the US just seems prohibitively expensive... But the spirits seem much more interesting and "specific" than the original simpler spirits
Great video! My hype levels for Nature Inc and Horizons are now... Even more hype. Very interesting perspectives. I like Earth on Starlight even with little other synergy. 1-1-1 growth on a spirit also is appealing to me. Similar feelings about spirits that don't get to draft new cards often. It's often the most interesting decision in the game damnit 😅
I can't help but find this funny in a way. I got here having freshly tried a few NI spirits and going to see what people were saying on the forums, finding people discuss powerlevels which said Roots was a strong spirit when I found myself wishing to have one more plant pretty much all the time and mentioned you, so I came to check it out, saw guides, looked for mists, Found nothing except the scotland 5 play; and now I see your taste runs pretty much entirely opposite to mine. You dislike pretty much all the fear centric I love (pre Darkness/Voice) with moon and air spirits like BoDaN, Mists, Oceans and Shadows (okay shadows is just painful without an aspect) all the way down in F, like to play Green without Proliferation when one of the things I love to do is play 3 handed and open with Proliferation+Abundance just to kickstart a third guy while they wait for more, seem to play mostly Solo and not two handed or three handed, love Card + Presence + Energy growth on 0/2/1 spirits while I love trying to clear things after using 2 presence a couple times, love Fangs when I always feel like he just blows up in my face horribly, and while I also love the mobile spirits that move things around a lot like Many Minds, Eyes, Whilrwind and Mud, you put Mists and Thunderspeaker all the way down when I find the presence movement part of Mists the most fun thing about it. (While Eyes, Many Minds and Pandemonium also put out lots of Fear, I wouldn't call them "fear centric" in the same way. Oceans is kinda borderline, who's just Oceans.) I guess my mostly playing Medium (3/4/5, depending on what each level adds) adversaries is the main factor at play here; I can't get away with these slow starts at high levels. Sorry if this is a bit rambling, but it's interesting how different people's game perspective is. I'm gonna hazard a guess and say my reluctance to lose presence (which is necessary to move Root's incarna) probably colored my play of him a lot. I know he has restoration built in but still. I need to play him more. Shame you dislike Mists so much, I was hoping to see what someone who plays high level would say about playing him besides "Pick something else".
Mists is very playable at diff 8 and below. It has some serious struggles into level 6s, but that doesn’t mean it is unplayable. I just find the mechanics to be boring and the gameplan to be combersome / awkward. When the Embargo gets lifted, I do plan on playing some Stranded Shroud games! As for Fear spirits: Many Minds and Bringer are the strongest fear generating spirits in the game! This is followed by Eyes and Darkness.
@@RedReVenge007 Oh, I didn't mean it was straight up unplayable, but you do feel he's not as strong as some others. Like, yes, Eyes puts out huge fear but he also just does more with his cards on top of it. Eyes is just kinda crazy imo. It's tons of fun but you just can get so much done with him. Control, Strong defend, dahan movement, fear! The full package. Same with Many minds in fact, except instead of a defend 8 boon he has a SKIP UP TO MULTIPLE ACTIONS IN THIS LAND card. Pall is good, but it's not close to their ability to defend every turn (since they use an innate for it) AND also put out fear AND his cards are more expensive relative to his income. Many minds starting hand costs a single energy across 5 cards, while Mists' cost 4 across 4, and they both start with 0 income and low increase. (Okay, Many minds' starting hand is an extreme case, but still.) So you know, I was just eyeing for some tips. I don't have a good reference of difficulty levels, my limit is usually around England V. England is fun, but depending on the spirits that can be about when it goes from "Can get tough, but I can still do some suboptimal things for fun" to "That's not so bad, aaaand this game is dead." I do agree I wish Bringer and Memory could play more cards more easily though, I love minor powers. I think I saw Bringer got aspects, I'll have to check them out. I also should try out Mentor's complete aspect, I played a bunch with just the incomplete reveal they did, and just being able to slings cards like candy to spirits like Lightning, Earth, Downpour or Thunderspeaker can greatly improve their flexibility and game fun. Do you ever adjust what spirits you're willing to play when you see what others are playing? Are you gonna do another video including the new aspects post embargo, then?
Finder “kills” so many things by not letting them be there in the first place so well…if thought of as a team, stack the bar graph of all spirits at the table and it’s. Idk I like it but 0 fear means oof. It’s not bad for me to lose presence when finishing off with majors in my easier games. I like to go top track for 2 energy asap, then permanent 2 card plays. And I try to abuse the innates. Shoving cities around and seeing majors demolish a land flooded with invaders from everywhere is so satisfying
on one hand I agree. I love plating Finder. Like one of Red's points I like that it doesn't play the same like, ever. my build always shifts depending on the circumstance. rarely do I feel ahead in the game. On the other hand I have found that Shoving stuff around my own board early is how to win in multiplayer Finder. Other spirits aren't ready to handle my problems yet and frankly neither am I. Do I go early Energy and Major and sacrifice my presence for Responsibilities now and sac mid/late game utility to move stuff to the End game killing machine like Stone or Volcano? DO I really lean in to the plays and movement to shift bunches of small stuff on to Wildfire/Mud. Dare I say, Vengeance ? who always seems to have either too much or too little damage for their current state. Heck even "I like to move it , move it" Mist who benefits or I should more appropriately say isn't as hurt as much by getting a ton of early stuff dumped on them (already taking a blight anyway). the advantage being able to have multiple free damaged invader lands with their presence later with multiple push invaders then push presence powers later. {side note: please, Please, PLEASE! I'd love to get an daring Mist player to try a game with me as Finder with one other player. the one other is almost irrelevant.} Finder I Find (hee heeeee) might be too good or bad at intensifying the weaknesses/strengths of other spirits. This is really what Red doesn't like. Consistency really seems to be what he favors over all else. unless it is consistently bad like Shadows.
I am very very surprised to hear such good things about roots. It was the spirit I was least excited about (just based off art and initial impressions), but if anything just makes me so much more excited for NI.
In games I’ve played it depends on how the game is played, but U typically enjoy defensive, healing, valuable, and versatile abilities. In this game, I love defensive and fearful strengths more than offense overall. Still…theme, art, who I am and more have an influence on my enjoyment on what I enjoy using…for example some of my favorites recently in this game are Volcano and Serpent. Why? I know it’s because of the pleasure building up power and then unleashing devastating power, which is what my life is and will be. I feel power and unity in that idea and feeling because that’s what is in me
even if i know everyone have different opinions on the spirits, I am still surprised. though again, you prefer defense, i prefer offense. to the point our S to F are almost the opposite, with few exceptions haha
3 player seems to be just about the right balance point for Ocean though, depending on the makeup. With two damage/kill spirits like lightning and wildfire without a ton of push/comtrol make 3 players seem like a slog. Yet throw in a River or Sunbright in and now you are cooking with gas. Less than or more than 3 and you are either too rich or too broke at any given point.
Wouldn't want to get rid of oceans income option because I think the idea of hostaging the invaders and ransoming them for money is the most compelling part of the spirit. Makes you feel like a bounty hunter. The rest of ocean I'm much less sanguine on.
I also really like spirits that place presence every turn since I seem to have more options, but I enjoy playing more offensive spirits, that destroy things a lot and generate fears, especially if they have big nukes So I think Relentless Gaze and Earthquake are candidates to be my favorite spirits once I get Nature Incarnate
Curious if your enjoyment of earth/plant spirits is because you're drawn to those elements thematically, or due to the strength of the cards? Or perhaps defence cards are predominantly earth/plant?
Really enjoying these tierlists, thanks for sharing them! Im playing mainly solo as i get started, which few spirits would you consider most powerful for true solo play?
@@RedReVenge007 ooh, i'm very excited! and thank you for responding! i can't tell you how much value i've gotten out of your videos. i'm about 25 games into my SI career, and your perspective has been tremendously useful to getting up and running and having fun. started with Horizons and played about 10 games there, paid for a month of digital to see how i liked the new mechanics, and just added base game, B&C, and JE because i was blown away with how much high quality game there is here. starting to add in Adversaries and having a blast getting used to the discomfort of a steeper hill!
Hold on, I may have been reading innates wrong, I thought for example with pandemonium if you were to reach max you would only apply the final line, not all of the lines beforehand, have I been playing this wrong!!?
What do you mean, when you say a growth pattern is eg 0-2-1 for river? Edit: Oh you elaborate later... It represents how much presence you place in each growth option.
How do some of the new aspects change this up? Snake got the locus, which I think is interesting and gets rid of that aegis loop that lets it defend its lands easily, relying more on hitting the locus threshold to copy others abilties, or even focusing placing vitality instead River with Haven I feel like would be an S tier based on your other S Tiers One of my favorites would be Vital Strength's Nourishing, turns vital into a less passive defender, and the ability to get a minor after gaining a major is a nice bonus
I think Green is one of my least favorite spirits, just because how strong Gift of Proliferation is. I feel like I'm forced to reclaim it every single turn, especially in multiplayer, since that's Green's "role" One of the ways it could be improved and balanced, I think, is by turning Gift of Proliferation from a card into a Special Rule, in such a way that you can't use it every turn (probably once every two turns would be more balanced), but you're always building towards it regardless of what growth option you pick - maybe the progress towards it is gated by some mechanic?
I agree and disagree. I think MM does have a better energy dynamic than lightning, but I also think that's because the base game spirits are very unbalanced. Lightning would like have it's G3 tied with energy + power cards if it were reworked today. I think Many Minds have 4 0 cost uniques is fine since it opens up more build paths such as rush card plays, or use G3 more while playing along bottom track. It also allows the spirit to flex majors easier.
Yes lol. Still haven't played a game with Darkness. I played several games of Roots during the playtesting time, so it's been atleast 2 years of playing it!
It's strange to see Thunder in the F tier because of "random major dependence", she already has a major with Dahan in her hand, she only needs a few defense cards to go. It's even more stranger, because I totally agree with the rest spirits in that tier.
I don't find the games TS creates to be very interesting. I'll have my class tier list (the one that's been thrown around the last 3 years), posted at the end of the year with my final NI tier list rankings!
Indeed. and that is what I truly love about Spirit island. My fun list is almost set except that next week or month it will be almost, but not entirely ,completely different. We all have a couple of soft spots for a couple spirits that just seemed to be ingrained in our DNA. Perpetually on our S tier for FUN. Conversely 2-3-4 that are perpetually F tier, no matter what After the top and bottom three or four though it is so Wibbly-Wobbly-Timey-Wimey. Sometimes things just don't make sense, or they make prefect sense, only at the time. I LOVE finder for the no kill restriction jump anywhere on growth puzzle but on the other I just feel like I want the multi town indiscriminate reclaim loop
So weird how you can tell so much about a player by their fun tier list. I could almost have guessed Reds before this started. Your list tells me you like straight power except for your Green ranking. Yet so much other evidence tells me you likely have another that plays green in your usual group?
@@brianmurphy9039 I really like playing support support characters (thus Fractured Days is so high). Green is OK for me, not complex enough to be on top. Other people in my group like Green less than me, I think. I also like movement in SI (Thus Thunderspeaker, Downpour, Starlight, Many Minds)
As much as a I love Shroud, it is pretty flawed in that the reward for keeping damaged invaders on the board is not worth over just removing them if given the opportunity. Maybe if one of it's power cards had an effect of ignoring damaged invaders in the build step, e.g. if a land had two towns and 1 city, if one town was damaged then the land would build another town instead of a city. Something along those lines to slow the invader progression in a land on top of getting more fear.
Love the content! This channel is my go-to for Spirit Island content! Keep up the good work, and I can't wait for the volcano guide!
If that Trickster1st turn major reclaim loop vid doesn't come out soon I'm going to have to experiment with that. Cause that sounds right up there with no reclaim Starlight for silly fun. I like me some off-the-wall Strats.
I remember when lightning don't play anything turn 1 seemed off-the-wall. In like 1998 in a game called Utopia I did a crazy strat that did super well and I'm still riding that high
The trickster build is something I'm looking into. From what I've seen it's very very effective into almost everything (especially in solo).
@@RedReVenge007 can i second a request fro the major turn 1 trickster
i love that you put this out three days ago, just after I bought Spirit Island and am starting to get into this game. Also, I find it so funny you put the Dreams guy in F-tier because it's probably my favourite of the starting ones right now just because I love the fear mechanic so much (but I've only really played easy levels so far). But great videos keep it up!
I really enjoy this video, it’s cool content. I don’t have a lot of games with shroud at all. Less than 10, Prussia 4 to learn why the cards do, then some Prussia, France, and Sweden 6 games all true solo. There is always a point at the beginning where I’m like “HOW AM I GONNA PAY MY RENT”. And then I have a couple points with super long crunches. I enjoy when I play because the puzzle is interesting and different, I also try to clear lands here there too. But I never just enjoy them start to finish, there is some anguish every game with them for me. :P
I have the base game and I'm considering expansions.. It's really interesting that you put half of the base game spirits in F tier. I think I mostly agree with your order of base game spirits but other people whose videos I watched all seem to LOVE Thunderspeaker so it's interesting you put them at the bottom. My favorite currently is Spread of Rampant Green so I think your video convinced me I'll like the expansion spirits.
Interesting, that you put Fractured this high because you dont have many videos with it. I really would enjoy more of them!
Definitely same for me!
I enjoy Fractured in a multiplayer setting. In solo or multi spirit solo, I find the spirit to be too taxing and the games to take too long (Atleast if perpetually played)
It's interesting (and makes sense) that you seem to hate spirits that don't have a lot of variety in build. A lot of folks' faves are in your F tier, and I think that's because those spirits have one strong, evocative gimmick that dictates how the game is played. On the other hand, that means the way the game is played is fairly dictated.
I don't see many possible builds for green. Do you?
@kotgaf7332 you can play 9 minors in two turns with the second growth option, so spamming minors is a thing. On the other hand, the energy spike suggests a major build too. I normally go for majors, but if you have Wildfire on your team, that extra +1 damage can really mean a lot if you have 3 or 4 damaging minors in a match up that isn't England.
Counterpoint: River and Behemoth are in A tier.
I love stone too. Pretty indestructible when they can’t damage the island…every spirit is fun for me tho. I haven’t played all spirits on high difficulties, just messing around at low levels and adding some extra buildings etc myself to adjust difficulties
I really do like the horizons spirits as well. Glad I bought it for the spirits
I think Horizons was a huge success!
Do we have any idea if they plan to release the spirits (including uniques) as an expansion with the same card stock as the original? Buying Horizons as well as having the panels shipped from the US just seems prohibitively expensive... But the spirits seem much more interesting and "specific" than the original simpler spirits
Great video! My hype levels for Nature Inc and Horizons are now... Even more hype.
Very interesting perspectives. I like Earth on Starlight even with little other synergy. 1-1-1 growth on a spirit also is appealing to me. Similar feelings about spirits that don't get to draft new cards often. It's often the most interesting decision in the game damnit 😅
Happy to see some love for Earth!
**chanting** Defense! Defense! Defense!
I can't help but find this funny in a way. I got here having freshly tried a few NI spirits and going to see what people were saying on the forums, finding people discuss powerlevels which said Roots was a strong spirit when I found myself wishing to have one more plant pretty much all the time and mentioned you, so I came to check it out, saw guides, looked for mists, Found nothing except the scotland 5 play; and now I see your taste runs pretty much entirely opposite to mine.
You dislike pretty much all the fear centric I love (pre Darkness/Voice) with moon and air spirits like BoDaN, Mists, Oceans and Shadows (okay shadows is just painful without an aspect) all the way down in F, like to play Green without Proliferation when one of the things I love to do is play 3 handed and open with Proliferation+Abundance just to kickstart a third guy while they wait for more, seem to play mostly Solo and not two handed or three handed, love Card + Presence + Energy growth on 0/2/1 spirits while I love trying to clear things after using 2 presence a couple times, love Fangs when I always feel like he just blows up in my face horribly, and while I also love the mobile spirits that move things around a lot like Many Minds, Eyes, Whilrwind and Mud, you put Mists and Thunderspeaker all the way down when I find the presence movement part of Mists the most fun thing about it.
(While Eyes, Many Minds and Pandemonium also put out lots of Fear, I wouldn't call them "fear centric" in the same way. Oceans is kinda borderline, who's just Oceans.)
I guess my mostly playing Medium (3/4/5, depending on what each level adds) adversaries is the main factor at play here; I can't get away with these slow starts at high levels. Sorry if this is a bit rambling, but it's interesting how different people's game perspective is.
I'm gonna hazard a guess and say my reluctance to lose presence (which is necessary to move Root's incarna) probably colored my play of him a lot. I know he has restoration built in but still. I need to play him more. Shame you dislike Mists so much, I was hoping to see what someone who plays high level would say about playing him besides "Pick something else".
Mists is very playable at diff 8 and below. It has some serious struggles into level 6s, but that doesn’t mean it is unplayable.
I just find the mechanics to be boring and the gameplan to be combersome / awkward.
When the Embargo gets lifted, I do plan on playing some Stranded Shroud games!
As for Fear spirits: Many Minds and Bringer are the strongest fear generating spirits in the game! This is followed by Eyes and Darkness.
@@RedReVenge007 Oh, I didn't mean it was straight up unplayable, but you do feel he's not as strong as some others.
Like, yes, Eyes puts out huge fear but he also just does more with his cards on top of it. Eyes is just kinda crazy imo. It's tons of fun but you just can get so much done with him. Control, Strong defend, dahan movement, fear! The full package. Same with Many minds in fact, except instead of a defend 8 boon he has a SKIP UP TO MULTIPLE ACTIONS IN THIS LAND card. Pall is good, but it's not close to their ability to defend every turn (since they use an innate for it) AND also put out fear AND his cards are more expensive relative to his income. Many minds starting hand costs a single energy across 5 cards, while Mists' cost 4 across 4, and they both start with 0 income and low increase. (Okay, Many minds' starting hand is an extreme case, but still.)
So you know, I was just eyeing for some tips.
I don't have a good reference of difficulty levels, my limit is usually around England V. England is fun, but depending on the spirits that can be about when it goes from "Can get tough, but I can still do some suboptimal things for fun" to "That's not so bad, aaaand this game is dead."
I do agree I wish Bringer and Memory could play more cards more easily though, I love minor powers. I think I saw Bringer got aspects, I'll have to check them out. I also should try out Mentor's complete aspect, I played a bunch with just the incomplete reveal they did, and just being able to slings cards like candy to spirits like Lightning, Earth, Downpour or Thunderspeaker can greatly improve their flexibility and game fun.
Do you ever adjust what spirits you're willing to play when you see what others are playing?
Are you gonna do another video including the new aspects post embargo, then?
@@ektgt6303 Not this type of video, but will have gameplay videos with alot of the aspects.
Finder “kills” so many things by not letting them be there in the first place so well…if thought of as a team, stack the bar graph of all spirits at the table and it’s. Idk I like it but 0 fear means oof. It’s not bad for me to lose presence when finishing off with majors in my easier games. I like to go top track for 2 energy asap, then permanent 2 card plays. And I try to abuse the innates. Shoving cities around and seeing majors demolish a land flooded with invaders from everywhere is so satisfying
This is the typical Finder build from what I've been told.
on one hand I agree. I love plating Finder. Like one of Red's points I like that it doesn't play the same like, ever. my build always shifts depending on the circumstance. rarely do I feel ahead in the game. On the other hand I have found that Shoving stuff around my own board early is how to win in multiplayer Finder. Other spirits aren't ready to handle my problems yet and frankly neither am I.
Do I go early Energy and Major and sacrifice my presence for Responsibilities now and sac mid/late game utility to move stuff to the End game killing machine like Stone or Volcano? DO I really lean in to the plays and movement to shift bunches of small stuff on to Wildfire/Mud. Dare I say, Vengeance ? who always seems to have either too much or too little damage for their current state. Heck even "I like to move it , move it" Mist who benefits or I should more appropriately say isn't as hurt as much by getting a ton of early stuff dumped on them (already taking a blight anyway). the advantage being able to have multiple free damaged invader lands with their presence later with multiple push invaders then push presence powers later. {side note: please, Please, PLEASE! I'd love to get an daring Mist player to try a game with me as Finder with one other player. the one other is almost irrelevant.}
Finder I Find (hee heeeee) might be too good or bad at intensifying the weaknesses/strengths of other spirits. This is really what Red doesn't like. Consistency really seems to be what he favors over all else. unless it is consistently bad like Shadows.
I am very very surprised to hear such good things about roots. It was the spirit I was least excited about (just based off art and initial impressions), but if anything just makes me so much more excited for NI.
I’m very happy with all 8 spirits. They aren’t perfect, but definitely in a better spot than JE spirits.
@@RedReVenge007man that’s got me so excited because I thought JE was such an upgrade over all the other expansions.
In games I’ve played it depends on how the game is played, but U typically enjoy defensive, healing, valuable, and versatile abilities. In this game, I love defensive and fearful strengths more than offense overall. Still…theme, art, who I am and more have an influence on my enjoyment on what I enjoy using…for example some of my favorites recently in this game are Volcano and Serpent. Why? I know it’s because of the pleasure building up power and then unleashing devastating power, which is what my life is and will be. I feel power and unity in that idea and feeling because that’s what is in me
even if i know everyone have different opinions on the spirits, I am still surprised.
though again, you prefer defense, i prefer offense. to the point our S to F are almost the opposite, with few exceptions haha
In 3 or 4+ player game with Ocean I go top track and it makes up for energy in what can be done with innates through passive element bonuses
3 player seems to be just about the right balance point for Ocean though, depending on the makeup. With two damage/kill spirits like lightning and wildfire without a ton of push/comtrol make 3 players seem like a slog. Yet throw in a River or Sunbright in and now you are cooking with gas. Less than or more than 3 and you are either too rich or too broke at any given point.
Wouldn't want to get rid of oceans income option because I think the idea of hostaging the invaders and ransoming them for money is the most compelling part of the spirit. Makes you feel like a bounty hunter. The rest of ocean I'm much less sanguine on.
I also really like spirits that place presence every turn since I seem to have more options, but I enjoy playing more offensive spirits, that destroy things a lot and generate fears, especially if they have big nukes
So I think Relentless Gaze and Earthquake are candidates to be my favorite spirits once I get Nature Incarnate
Gaze will be exactly what you’re looking for. EQ is more defensive but has offensive tools. Think of how Snake plays.
@@RedReVenge007 I like Snake! I also like the idea of playing cards for later
Curious if your enjoyment of earth/plant spirits is because you're drawn to those elements thematically, or due to the strength of the cards? Or perhaps defence cards are predominantly earth/plant?
I have always enjoyed plant themed "things". I also prefer defensive strategies, so it worked out for me :)
You hit 1k let’s gooo!
Really enjoying these tierlists, thanks for sharing them!
Im playing mainly solo as i get started, which few spirits would you consider most powerful for true solo play?
Many Minds / Starlight / Dances / Stone / HV are probably the best spirits in solo.
@@RedReVenge007 Thank you!
If this is outdated, I’d love to hear what the changes are and why they happened!
May 1st the updated list gets posted.
@@RedReVenge007 ooh, i'm very excited! and thank you for responding! i can't tell you how much value i've gotten out of your videos. i'm about 25 games into my SI career, and your perspective has been tremendously useful to getting up and running and having fun. started with Horizons and played about 10 games there, paid for a month of digital to see how i liked the new mechanics, and just added base game, B&C, and JE because i was blown away with how much high quality game there is here. starting to add in Adversaries and having a blast getting used to the discomfort of a steeper hill!
Is it just me, or does Eyes Watch From The Trees have a name for 'Animal' beneath the Air symbol on its presence board
It does. The board I had in this video was one of the playtest boards that had a typo! It should read air.
Hold on, I may have been reading innates wrong, I thought for example with pandemonium if you were to reach max you would only apply the final line, not all of the lines beforehand, have I been playing this wrong!!?
Yes you have been playing them wrong!
@@RedReVenge007 lol
What do you mean, when you say a growth pattern is eg 0-2-1 for river?
Edit: Oh you elaborate later... It represents how much presence you place in each growth option.
I'm surprised our tastes in spirits are so similar.
How do some of the new aspects change this up?
Snake got the locus, which I think is interesting and gets rid of that aegis loop that lets it defend its lands easily, relying more on hitting the locus threshold to copy others abilties, or even focusing placing vitality instead
River with Haven I feel like would be an S tier based on your other S Tiers
One of my favorites would be Vital Strength's Nourishing, turns vital into a less passive defender, and the ability to get a minor after gaining a major is a nice bonus
I’ll need to do a video on this in the future!
@@RedReVenge007🙏 . Nourishing Earth was mentioned as really enjoyable... curious about how you like Green aspects and Haven the most
How could you play with the spirits from Nature Incarnate? On TTS i just find a mod where those spirits don't have power cards...
I’m a playtester and have worked in them for the last year.
Good video, but I think Tiermaker with TTS available on the alt-tab when you want to talk about cards would make for a better video overall.
Tier Maker lacked NI spirits when the video was made
I can respect your opinions. But... Where my fellow Moon/Air kings and queens at? ;)
I think Green is one of my least favorite spirits, just because how strong Gift of Proliferation is. I feel like I'm forced to reclaim it every single turn, especially in multiplayer, since that's Green's "role"
One of the ways it could be improved and balanced, I think, is by turning Gift of Proliferation from a card into a Special Rule, in such a way that you can't use it every turn (probably once every two turns would be more balanced), but you're always building towards it regardless of what growth option you pick - maybe the progress towards it is gated by some mechanic?
I don't think there's even a single F tier spirit for me personally. I always get some enjoyment out of a spirit and its theme. ^^
Many minds has unbalanced uniques - four zero costs.
And yet its energy has a better dynamic than lightning.
I agree and disagree. I think MM does have a better energy dynamic than lightning, but I also think that's because the base game spirits are very unbalanced. Lightning would like have it's G3 tied with energy + power cards if it were reworked today.
I think Many Minds have 4 0 cost uniques is fine since it opens up more build paths such as rush card plays, or use G3 more while playing along bottom track. It also allows the spirit to flex majors easier.
What is the eyes major build?
It’s in my eyes guide opening video
How have you played 1000+ games with roots and 0 with Darkness 😂 that’s insane
Yes lol. Still haven't played a game with Darkness. I played several games of Roots during the playtesting time, so it's been atleast 2 years of playing it!
What software do u use to play?
Tabletop Simulator on Steam
@@RedReVenge007 thanks man. I play the game in real life and on the steam standalone game. Has much less content than the simulator.
0:00 That is a sad tierlist.
Is mud not atrocious against France?
Nope very strong into France despite your SR being weak. You have so many tools to deal with explorers!
Do you play solo with a single spirit or multiple spirits usually?
When I first started playing it was 3 spirits solo!
@@RedReVenge007 holy cow, that's a lot. And now what normally, two?
@@bha1959 I don’t play solo outside of the channel. Usually games are 6 players
It's strange to see Thunder in the F tier because of "random major dependence", she already has a major with Dahan in her hand, she only needs a few defense cards to go.
It's even more stranger, because I totally agree with the rest spirits in that tier.
I don't find the games TS creates to be very interesting.
I'll have my class tier list (the one that's been thrown around the last 3 years), posted at the end of the year with my final NI tier list rankings!
Doesn't look like my list at all. ;)
Indeed. and that is what I truly love about Spirit island. My fun list is almost set except that next week or month it will be almost, but not entirely ,completely different. We all have a couple of soft spots for a couple spirits that just seemed to be ingrained in our DNA. Perpetually on our S tier for FUN. Conversely 2-3-4 that are perpetually F tier, no matter what After the top and bottom three or four though it is so Wibbly-Wobbly-Timey-Wimey.
Sometimes things just don't make sense, or they make prefect sense, only at the time. I LOVE finder for the no kill restriction jump anywhere on growth puzzle but on the other I just feel like I want the multi town indiscriminate reclaim loop
Thunderspeaker into F tier?! BOOOOO 😅
Anyway my list is
1 Fractured Days
2 Thunderspeaker
3 Starlight
4 Downpour
5 Keeper
6 Many Minds
7 Lure
8 Serpent
9 Grinning Trickster
10 Stone
11 Rampant Green
12 Volcano
13 Ocean
14 Might Earth
15 River
16 Fangs
17 Lightning
18 Foreboading Shadow
19 Finder
20 Bringer
21 Vengeance
22 Shroud
23 Wildfire
24 Shifting Memory
So weird how you can tell so much about a player by their fun tier list. I could almost have guessed Reds before this started.
Your list tells me you like straight power except for your Green ranking. Yet so much other evidence tells me you likely have another that plays green in your usual group?
@@brianmurphy9039 I really like playing support support characters (thus Fractured Days is so high). Green is OK for me, not complex enough to be on top. Other people in my group like Green less than me, I think.
I also like movement in SI (Thus Thunderspeaker, Downpour, Starlight, Many Minds)
@@brianmurphy9039 And I don't think you would have guessed my preference for support If you looked at my Gloomhaven tier list. :)