@Thooorin I wanna say thank you for this series. I love your analysis. Amazing real life examples. Not only good for league and gaming but some of it for life as well. Great job!
What is really confusing is that you also see the fanboys try to defend their favorite players and that really is pretty much hate. They'll say crap like 'You're just gold, you wouldn't do any better'. No shit they wouldn't, but they're also not paid to play the game 12 hours a day and do nothing but win the next tournament. It doesn't mean they can't see the glaring problems link had in the leblanc game where he's missing double point blank chains that aren't being juked and being the weakest link in the game. He's not always the weakest link, but I can tell you right now he's played horrible in the series, but if you say it that openly you WILL get bitched at by that players fans.
I'm not even a fan and I disagree that link is the one that cost them the series. He did play bad overall, but they all played really bad. Even doublelift who everyone is praising played terribly. Everyone seems to forget he single handedly threw game 1 beyond what anyone could have salvaged by wandering into collateral damages time after time, all the while Link was trying his best to carry it on kassadin.
I just find it really funny that after the clg vs roccat series, everyone was praising link. Most people will rate how good a player is on a single series and will shift their opinions in the matter of days.
Thorin, you've struck gold here. This simple minded approach to criticism and hate (just lump it together) is what pretty much the whole world believes in. Political correctness is a fucking joke. This whole concept is so mad I wonder how any person, considering himself rational, may even think that way...
The amount and quality of content and thoughts and opinions are really making me watch you everyday. Now that you are growing and people realise what you provide you could improve your videos with an Intro (which isn´t necessarily needed because of your way to present the topic) and an Outro. Also... You should really going for the beard look again ;)
Ever been to the CLG subreddit? One of their top posts after was basically saying "Stop criticizing them for losing, be real fans and embrace the trash results". They don't even know TSM isn't their rival anymore lol
I agree on the point that the critisizer isn't responsible for the snowballing hate but I dissagree with the fact that there is no relation between them. If someone gets critisized a lot others will use that as a reason to hate on him (oh he's bad let's flame him) eventhough it's not the critisizers fault, it does have an indirect effect on the snowball of hate.
It's gonna sound weird,but there is a relation between a hateful critisizing comment and a constructive critisizing because people create that relation,if it wasn't for - insert x random person - then indeed there wouldn't be (and honestly there shouldn't be) any relation between those two different comments.It's difficult to explain it without ranting using some examples from ancient greek philosophers,but I hope I've given some food for thought and further discussion.
***** yes but it's a snowball effect. Someone who might not have said anything will be more incline to do so if he sees that a lot of others are critisising or hating. He will just jump on that bandwagon and participate in his own way. May that be hate or valid criticising.
vvorrtfda u is felling of u ned to get replafe by soneone woh is beffer i cna repacle uoy btu i stck in ytube elo hell gg hire pls i am bettrino the nyou
Yeah, with Thinkcard subbing, Link definitely isn't having a "Dandy life". He might have a Dandy Lite in the new seasons though! hue hue. On a serious note, I agree with almost everything here. The things people refer to as hate are really on a huge spectrum. Reddit is a place for the (overall very young) fan community to share their thoughts and feelings about something they're passionate about. It's unreasonable to think that it will ever be all sunshine and rainbows. However, there are actual hateful things that happen and those shouldn't be accepted. These need to be discussed as different things because they don't have the same intent behind them. Another thing worth remembering is that as well as the community being relatively young, the players are younger than most other sports too. It's understandable that they don't all have the resources to deal with this level of vitriol yet. Thanks for addressing this issue in a calm and rational manner, and specifically for separating what people refer to as "hate" with just the community's rantings. I think it's something the LoL (and eSports in general) community needs to seriously consider as it grows. Really enjoying the video per day thing! Happy you decided to keep it up!
Just wanted to say that your view on how "the majority of jokes work" might reflect a narrow opinion. The basic mechanic of ALL jokes is playing off an expectation. While "haha he's different" is definitely a type of joke, and probably the most popular, it is also the most crude.
Whats funny is that the community completely forgets Links great play against ROCCAT. Link overall is a solid player. He fails on a team like CLG, who's game style is really chaotic. If Link wants to succeed, he ought to move to a team like fnatic.
People are only allowed to criticize if they are logged in with an identifiable user with a profile photo. That way people would start behaving like when you meet them in rl.
yopandas so you think 0 7 or something like that is carrying? ;) Im not blaming DL but people are blaming Link for that one Orianna game but simply not care about Dl getting destroyed in the first game.
yopandas link carried in the games against roccat with his Leblanc but I guess that doesnt count as in the tournament. Gambit just played better, its as simple as that...
yopandas Youre saying Doublelift was carrying every game. I proved you wrong. You said Link pllayed bad all game I proved you wrong. I only reecall one game vs Roccat and that game link played LeBlandc and carried just that one game all by himself. And vs Gambit Link played really well on Kassadin roaming botlane several times getting kills while clg´s botlane just died over and over. Stop trying to come up with argument like that because all you have said til now is just rubbish...
All the people who only criticize link for playing horribly. Do you all not watch ogn also and see CJ entus game? It was worse than a solo queue game. pros are pros for a reason. Its the same as how some of the best solo players cannot win games because their team does not have great coordination. That is the same situation as clg
Good comparison with the racist stuff. It really hit the mark for me. You should be able to critcize people who is making a living of playing the game, and when we have come to expect a certain level of play that they are not actually on, the community should be allowed to give critique. Like.. ffs he even knows it himself why are people so scared of hearing the truth?
This episode was a bit too long, I think you could have compressed your thoughts on this topic in 15min. Btw, try to avoid using the word "likewise" so much.
Defending Link is absurd. He has never done anything big to contribute to victory. And at this IEM he was TOTAL garbage all THREE games. How do you call that? Dead weight, I guess? Holy fucking shit, him playing heartstone during scrims is a known fact. How the fuck a pro player would do that? It means he doesn't want to play lol competitively. Basically Doublelift and aphro have to carry 3 shitbags, but at this level of play each team member has to contribute. You aren't allowed to have dead weight if you want to win something.
@Thooorin I wanna say thank you for this series. I love your analysis. Amazing real life examples. Not only good for league and gaming but some of it for life as well. Great job!
What is really confusing is that you also see the fanboys try to defend their favorite players and that really is pretty much hate. They'll say crap like 'You're just gold, you wouldn't do any better'. No shit they wouldn't, but they're also not paid to play the game 12 hours a day and do nothing but win the next tournament. It doesn't mean they can't see the glaring problems link had in the leblanc game where he's missing double point blank chains that aren't being juked and being the weakest link in the game. He's not always the weakest link, but I can tell you right now he's played horrible in the series, but if you say it that openly you WILL get bitched at by that players fans.
Stop copying and pasting this.
Copying and pasting what? I literally wrote this myself.
Well said David
I'm not even a fan and I disagree that link is the one that cost them the series. He did play bad overall, but they all played really bad. Even doublelift who everyone is praising played terribly. Everyone seems to forget he single handedly threw game 1 beyond what anyone could have salvaged by wandering into collateral damages time after time, all the while Link was trying his best to carry it on kassadin.
I just find it really funny that after the clg vs roccat series, everyone was praising link. Most people will rate how good a player is on a single series and will shift their opinions in the matter of days.
I was so confused when I heard the Skype sounds...
Thorin, you've struck gold here. This simple minded approach to criticism and hate (just lump it together) is what pretty much the whole world believes in. Political correctness is a fucking joke. This whole concept is so mad I wonder how any person, considering himself rational, may even think that way...
"Nah Nah....GAME ON!" I need this clip cut for future use. It's so good.
The amount and quality of content and thoughts and opinions are really making me watch you everyday. Now that you are growing and people realise what you provide you could improve your videos with an Intro (which isn´t necessarily needed because of your way to present the topic) and an Outro. Also... You should really going for the beard look again ;)
Ever been to the CLG subreddit? One of their top posts after was basically saying "Stop criticizing them for losing, be real fans and embrace the trash results". They don't even know TSM isn't their rival anymore lol
I agree on the point that the critisizer isn't responsible for the snowballing hate but I dissagree with the fact that there is no relation between them. If someone gets critisized a lot others will use that as a reason to hate on him (oh he's bad let's flame him) eventhough it's not the critisizers fault, it does have an indirect effect on the snowball of hate.
It's gonna sound weird,but there is a relation between a hateful critisizing comment and a constructive critisizing because people create that relation,if it wasn't for - insert x random person - then indeed there wouldn't be (and honestly there shouldn't be) any relation between those two different comments.It's difficult to explain it without ranting using some examples from ancient greek philosophers,but I hope I've given some food for thought and further discussion.
***** yes but it's a snowball effect. Someone who might not have said anything will be more incline to do so if he sees that a lot of others are critisising or hating. He will just jump on that bandwagon and participate in his own way. May that be hate or valid criticising.
***** yh that's why I called it an indirect relation :p
A very real subject that needed to be addressed sooner or later, I love your videos Thorin.
i've waited for your video response on this topic since the last na relegation. awesome stuff thorin keep going
He makes really terrible jokes sometimes but I love listening to his thoughts. Very well thought out and organized. Smart guy
Sometimes I feel like me and Thoorin are the same person. I guess there is a reason why I watch and enjoy all his videos...
dordin = toxin prayer who feeds in legends of leaguer, gg
your troll skills fell off, you should get replaced by somebody who is better at your position.
dordin's seal of approval. twitter.com/stabulo/status/546618904307449857
vvorrtfda u is felling of u ned to get replafe by soneone woh is beffer i cna repacle uoy btu i stck in ytube elo hell gg hire pls i am bettrino the nyou
Yeah, with Thinkcard subbing, Link definitely isn't having a "Dandy life". He might have a Dandy Lite in the new seasons though! hue hue.
On a serious note, I agree with almost everything here. The things people refer to as hate are really on a huge spectrum. Reddit is a place for the (overall very young) fan community to share their thoughts and feelings about something they're passionate about. It's unreasonable to think that it will ever be all sunshine and rainbows.
However, there are actual hateful things that happen and those shouldn't be accepted. These need to be discussed as different things because they don't have the same intent behind them.
Another thing worth remembering is that as well as the community being relatively young, the players are younger than most other sports too. It's understandable that they don't all have the resources to deal with this level of vitriol yet.
Thanks for addressing this issue in a calm and rational manner, and specifically for separating what people refer to as "hate" with just the community's rantings.
I think it's something the LoL (and eSports in general) community needs to seriously consider as it grows.
Really enjoying the video per day thing! Happy you decided to keep it up!
You almost went scouse when you said "Why are you going and clicking on them mate"
LA Kings Jersey, and the superman long sleeve are my two faves... just sayin...
Link won a game : wow he is comeback reddit shut up blabla, that was hilarious.
Link lost a game: wow he is the worst player reddit circlejerk is awesome, that was hilarious
That skype sound threw me off so much lol
God bless you Thorin. Keep it up! The Dalai Lama of realtalk!
Love how thorin has a knowledge of normal sports and esports.
Another day, another video , another beverage. Good job
Thoorin's knowledge of the NBA is nice
good stuff once again thorin. keep it up.
thorin is really spot on in this one
I know you get alot of hate thoorin but I love your videos and thoughts even when I dont agree (which is rare). Keep up the good work.
does anyone knows what he's drinking? looked like to me as cough syrup(at least the ones in my country look that way)
Just wanted to say that your view on how "the majority of jokes work" might reflect a narrow opinion. The basic mechanic of ALL jokes is playing off an expectation. While "haha he's different" is definitely a type of joke, and probably the most popular, it is also the most crude.
I don't think muting/ignoring/avoiding the hate really solves the problem. If you can't handle the hate, then don't put yourself out there.
Whats funny is that the community completely forgets Links great play against ROCCAT. Link overall is a solid player. He fails on a team like CLG, who's game style is really chaotic. If Link wants to succeed, he ought to move to a team like fnatic.
dat pink drink though
People are only allowed to criticize if they are logged in with an identifiable user with a profile photo. That way people would start behaving like when you meet them in rl.
Disappointed fans often turn to anger.
How was it an embarasing loss when Gambit just played really well???
like why does no one care about Doublelift who died 5 times 1v1 against P1noys?
yopandas so you think 0 7 or something like that is carrying? ;)
Im not blaming DL but people are blaming Link for that one Orianna game but simply not care about Dl getting destroyed in the first game.
yopandas link carried in the games against roccat with his Leblanc but I guess that doesnt count as in the tournament.
Gambit just played better, its as simple as that...
yopandas
Just like the one game on Orianna counts as all the games were bad?
yopandas
Youre saying Doublelift was carrying every game. I proved you wrong.
You said Link pllayed bad all game I proved you wrong. I only reecall one game vs Roccat and that game link played LeBlandc and carried just that one game all by himself. And vs Gambit Link played really well on Kassadin roaming botlane several times getting kills while clg´s botlane just died over and over.
Stop trying to come up with argument like that because all you have said til now is just rubbish...
As an Ex-CLG fan, I wish link would be removed, I don't understand why he's still the CLG midlaner.......
That's a question for HotshotGG
lack of better option is the answear
15:40 holding back a smile because he probably couldn't care less lol
Wow, that's a big one
The main problem is that the majority of the reddit LOL community are kids at the age of < 17
All the people who only criticize link for playing horribly. Do you all not watch ogn also and see CJ entus game? It was worse than a solo queue game. pros are pros for a reason. Its the same as how some of the best solo players cannot win games because their team does not have great coordination. That is the same situation as clg
Good comparison with the racist stuff. It really hit the mark for me. You should be able to critcize people who is making a living of playing the game, and when we have come to expect a certain level of play that they are not actually on, the community should be allowed to give critique. Like.. ffs he even knows it himself why are people so scared of hearing the truth?
This episode was a bit too long, I think you could have compressed your thoughts on this topic in 15min. Btw, try to avoid using the word "likewise" so much.
Defending Link is absurd. He has never done anything big to contribute to victory.
And at this IEM he was TOTAL garbage all THREE games. How do you call that? Dead weight, I guess?
Holy fucking shit, him playing heartstone during scrims is a known fact. How the fuck a pro player would do that? It means he doesn't want to play lol competitively.
Basically Doublelift and aphro have to carry 3 shitbags, but at this level of play each team member has to contribute. You aren't allowed to have dead weight if you want to win something.
bronzie mad?
link played bad, but so did the rest of CLG.
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL. Thorin is fucking hilarious.
link should leave clg
Why do you end these with like "thats it" or "ok im done" lol so unprofessional.
Cos I can. rekt.
Thooorin
Got 'em.
Professionalism is like Thooorin's step mom. Who he can never relate too..
At this point, it's like his trademark so no one cares.