[Coaching-Top] Riven Diamond IV
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- Опубліковано 14 жов 2024
- This is a coaching session which is extremely focused on lane manipulation and wave control. It also features 1v1's of the Riven player vs Max.
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WHY ASK FOR A COACH IF YOU ARENT GOING TO LISTEN TO A SINGLE THING YOUR COACH SAYS
Yeah that was the main issue imo, well can't blame the guy I was like this too in my driving lessons for the first few lessons I didn't understand the logic behind some of the stuff the teacher told me so i rebelled a bit.
@@kogami-masterofcoin9932 people who go farther in life are the one that don't rebel at basics. Kinda like in the military, you just soak everything in, because if you have a mentor there is a reason and 99% of the time he knows better; at least for the basics. Once you reach intermediate/advanced level you can start questioning and you should because now you are refining your understanding and basics and have a good grasp to deserve to "not listen and do differently"
It's all about swallowing your pride and realizing that it's possible for someone to know more about something than you do, even though you feel solid.
@@enthra1728 it's a video game that shouldn't be taken this seriously
@@kulio1214 Well, in this day it's honestly something take seriously. Gaming isn't just for fun anymore, it's becoming a large scale sport.
"The intent leading up to it is bad and the intent is something that's going to happen over hundreds of games. It doesn't matter about the results in the moment, it's about how you arrive at the results."
inspirational qoute going on here
can someone explain this? thank you
@@JudeYang05 yeah he's basically saying the riven was making bad decisions and your decision making gets better with hundreds of games and even if in that moment you did good somehow what you tried to do was bad.
@@alexriley4388 thank you!
A lot of players don't understand the basic fundamental: trades become more advantageous the more creeps you have and the closer your opponent is to said creeps.That's why LS was trying to get him to build up two waves with a slow push so he can freely obliterate the third wave and get a safe back. By destroying the third wave quickly, the next wave would've been too far and the current wave would've been too massive for the Kennen to attempt a freeze. Kennen also wouldn't have been able to hit Riven while he hard shoved the third wave because there would've have been too many caster minions hitting Kennen. But since Riven took his sweet time, Kennen only had to delay the current wave briefly in order to freeze it which forces the RIven to stay and try to break it, which in turn opens the Riven up to ganks.
Screenshotting this comment so I can practice it later. Thank you for the knowledge brother
Nice explanation appreciate it
10:25
"Are you tilted or..."
lmao
BEST MOMENT OF THE VIDEO IS WHEN HE HEAVILY INHALES BEFORE INTING AT 10:09 LMAO SORRY IT'S TOO FUNNY MAN xD
Honestly, the first 15 minutes of this is absolute gold. Not just for league but for life itself.
Luciferdraco lmao
you’re right. intent vs individual result, learning how to learn
"get boots"
"what?"
"get boots"
*buys warhammer*
"..."
People can't follow simple fucking directions lol
To be fair you get to lane just as fast with warhammer
@@motherfuckingagorithimcomm6136 but that's not the reason ls wanted him to buy boots
@@motherfuckingagorithimcomm6136 Doesn't really matter. You paid a PRO-Coach, ATLEAST follow his directions! He MUST know something more if u're stuck d4 and he coaches Master/GM players
Braindead NA riven
This was so painful to watch. Was hoping to get some in-depth top lane coaching but instead I got a Riven who couldn't fathom that they could hold their Q and ended up watching 30 minutes of LS having to patiently teach him basics
Its d4 what do u expect
@@coladud7061 all jokes aside, gold and above rivens know they can hold their Q lol
@@CustardCream33 Not on NA apparently.
@@kettenfaust hahahah true
"teach him basics" ? That's kind of a fuck you to him, he's diamond rank. That's so far from where you'd learn basics. At current rank distribution, he'd beat 96/100 randos. Yeah he's got lots to learn before he'll be in top 1% but don't push the dude into the dirt lmao
well played LS for his godlike temper and patience XD
It's really nice to see him in professional coach mode. Shows patience and constructiveness over his usual playful flaming
@@Hyajae did u not see 23:45 XDDD
@@Mathurrann That was exactly what this dude needed, though. He was ignoring advice and argueing stuff. If you get someone to coach you, you think they have valuable stuff to teach so listen
"are you tilted or..?"
yeah one of those vods
"You can broken wings away from him, to bait him in and then go in broken wings 2 and broken wings 3".
*Gets to lane*
*BROKEN WINGS INTO HIM*
over and over
I triggered me to high heaveans and back. And also...WHY DID HE HAVE FUTURE MARKET???
r/rivenmains subreddit moderator buys expensive coaching session
Wait is he really the subreddit's mod? Oh god
Lion Riven No. It was just a joke, I have no idea who he is. I just thought it was funny he was trying to resist the coaching like he knew more and went silent for a bit.
How much is this coaching
80 bucks
@@Netbase2000 Hilarious, a complete waste of money. He didn't listen to anything LS said.
you know it's good when the title is diamond 4 riven
im silver 2 offrole top laner and im pretty sure im a better riven than this
@@niklasangerman7030 can u even do fast combos?
@@itsomegali5342 Somewhat yes, but atleast wayyyyy better than this guy. I'm not saying im BoxBox or anything but i've atleast taken some time to learn some of the combos since riven is a pretty hard champion.
@@niklasangerman7030 then why are u not diamond 3? hm
@@itsomegali5342 I dont get to play ranked alot
The way this guy did pretty much literally everything the opposite way of how he was told to, LS should have just told him to be shit and he would have been golden
I expected to learn more about top lane intricacies only to watch a r/rivenmain delusion himself into inting
@@coldtea7 Right, it's worse.
@@coldtea7 imagine arguing that r/rivenmains isn't a cesspool of delusional cancer patients. Omegalul
@@coldtea7 i was in it and its disgusting
@@coldtea7 i think u quit it cuz u couldnt have climbed out of d4 even tho ure a riven main, stop crying u little bitch
@@coldtea7 Gluck finding a game out there where ppl are not total dicks to each other :D
I clicked at a random moment, saw 0/4 riven and thought:
its gonna be one of those
xdddddddddd
@BlueCherryX most riven players are bad at the game so it happens more often than that
@BlueCherryX Even if Hashinshin's mentality/game knowledge aren't the best, he sadly outplaces 99.9% of us anyway. Feelsbadman
Newsflash, riven sucks and has a thousand bad matchups. Range top and you're done for.
@@Dertlecup are you iron? the reason why riven is arguably one of the better top lanners in high elo is due to the fact that with a good player she can be played in pretty much every matchup. The fact that you said "ranged top and you're done for" leads me to believe you're trolling. Of course every top lanner has a worse time dealing with ranged tops, but riven is one of the few melee top lane champions that can actually get on top of them/kill them due to her gap closers and burst when played optimally.
23:48 Ffffeel it . Holy hell I felt Low Standard's restraint . Idk how he continued to coach him , wp sir
Because he isn't a scammer
He puts in more effort that most school teachers anywhere in the world, hats off to him
@@glenndiddy he also gets more pay lol
Actually learned smth about wave management that i've struggled with for a while , thx
What did you learn specifically?
@@DamnZodiak turning the monitor on
56:30 I love how happy LS sounds there after he got the Riven to do something decently well. His coaching really is amazing.
Was a feelgoodman moment
12:20 I never KEKW'd so hard in my life
"KEKW'd"
walks by low health draven in drag pit moments later, doesn't even notice
E tu ehehehehehehuihijigigh
You can just say laughed, please get off of twitch and maybe seek some professional help
@@DustyyBoi What the fuck lol
23:30 When even Low Standards runs out of patience.
Doran's blade start vs kennen, we already know how this is going to go down.
lmao i didn't even notice, this is so bad
Doran’s blade is weaker early and riskier but has higher reward, especially at lvl 6+
@@izzythecoolcat7540 kennen's just going to auto you out of lane lol
@@izzythecoolcat7540 no
Doran’s shield, second wind and just laugh at him whenever he tries to poke with auto
"Just FEEL IT!" someone needs to Shia Labeouf this
I watched this live. Has shown some insightful yet hard to apply rules. Thanks LS and merry Christmas.
When he finally kills kennen that shit was hype ngl
43:21 they really laughed and said "so bad" in the background
Grub Gruh who? Max i have scuffed ears
I heard only laughing
clicked faster than a Yasuo giving first blood
im here 😂
That dude probably gonna quit Lol Again xD
Ok so, to add my own piece of thought, this Riven player actually represents a very big part of the playerbase. A lot of the players are extremely impatient, they constantly want to try and move in and trade with the enemy, they constantly want to fight. They are not thinking if the trade is gonna be good, or how they should play it out, they just go in for it, expecting to win just because "they are better players". The problem is that, if you are smurfing or generally play in lower elo, those trades wil be won, and then you develop a habit of taking bad trades and expecting to win just because the enemy is not good enough to counter you back.
As you climb though, the opponents become better and they will punish you for taking the bad trade, as shown multiple times in this video. Understanding what's wrong with your lane management is fundamental and just because certain stuff worked at some elo doesn't mean it will work higher up.
Generally, players just do not think. They just do dumb stuff just because they believe they are better than their opponents mechanically and they will work out. I've played like 300 Urgot games across 3 accounts in Plat and I can't tell you the amount of braindead players I versed, who would not realize how to even remotely close play the lane or the trades and it's why I managed to get about a 65% winrate on him overall.
League has just become a game of "for fun". Just go in and fight haha. Nobody thinks anymore, nobody understand why they do the things they do, they just autopilot into some play pattern that is either enjoyable to them or believe it works and keep applying it, eventually to the detriment of them and their team.
My question is, at which point do we try to enhance the system to actually punish players like those? It's not exactly inting, but League has already been out for 10 years, players should have developed a certain mindset about gaming in general. It's not just "better mechanics win" or "it's a games, have fun". Gaming becomes more competitive by the years and certain players actually might wanna try and make a career out of it. Ranked games are not supposed to be played for fun. That's why normals are there. Ranked games, you need to tryhard, you need to think and play in such a way that gives you the highest chances of winning. It's been 10 years since League has been out, people surely should have developed healthy habits, but instead, you get diamond players for 5 seasons, who cannot understand BASIC trading patterns, or minion manipulation, powerspikes, resource trading (like that HP is a resource that LS talkled about) and so many other variables. Because they just do not care enough. They believe that they are diamond, so they are good. And then they get matched up against master or challenger players who know what they are doing, like Max, and they make them seem bronzies, exactly because they have no fucking idea how to play the game.
It is sad that people just do not want to try anymore. They do not care about winning, or becoming better, or at least trying to do so. They just wanna "for fun", and then, when something goes wrong and they lose, it's just "ugh Kennen, range abuser", or "ugh my jungler didn't gank", when in reality, most players are just not trying hard enough to see how far their own mistakes go into losing the game.
Am I allowed to make this a copy pasta on reddit everytime I see a bad play or a bad riven
@@1909Fredde Jokes aside, it's true. Everyone can fuck up mechanically, or miscalculate the playout of a trade, but it's one thing to be going into a trade and actually trying to figure out how it's gonna play out based on logic and reasonable bases, and a whole other thing to just go in for it coz "I'm just a better player", especially if you're not
The game has become for fun? Well shit, it's a game after all. I got to diamond on auto pilot, there I am mega hard stuck. Doesn't mean I will try harder or invest time in coaching, I'm casually competitive. Do you have a problem with players like me? That sucks because there are many like me :D
@@ArcaneTricksterRS I agree with you but since they play on Autopilot or wont improve...they wont climb either. The Problem with your thought is just 1 thing: you think that diamonds are somewhat good. No they are not. They are terrible at this game. They rightfully stuck in lowelo. Thats how the ranked System works.
@@1909Fredde It's not that easy to drop, though. Even if you are bad, games are 50-50 and you will be carried in some games to the point that you won't drop fast enough and ruin a lot of games doing so.
"...but he has 180 ping."
And he won lane level 2.
was waiting for someone to point this out
LS aka Literally a Shrink. LS excels at coaching but has also developed the ability to "handle" the emotionally and otherwise "troubled" as to not provoke them at the sake of his own sanity
I just love how ls shouts through the whole house "REMAKE"
24:00 when he finally snaps
That doran's blade is burning my eyes
D4 riven main idk what I was expecting but this is some good ass content KEKW
why not starting with doran's shield against a range champion?
Because trading(apart from lvl 1 Q trick) and sustain have nothing to do with what he is teaching him here. Its wave manipulation, recalls and knowing matchups. You, much like him did not focus on the right thing.
I wouldn't have thought to ever say this, but hashinshin was right. Riven is an elo amplifier, it indeed was so painful to watch this dude walk around lane, take free hits and not hide in his bush.
you spamming tanks isn't much better
@@Serkong tanks as annoying as they are, can't 1v5.
Any half decent riven with couple kills lead becomes raid boss.
I got over 60% wr on riven in low dia/plat, and I only play her when I am autofilled on top.
And I play like utter shit on her, but all it takes is ennemy to make 1 mistake which I respond in time to, and I just won top, and in 10-20 min whole game.
@@greatiusiterfector4519 op gg
LS recommended champs inflate elo, not riven yasuo jayce zed leblanc lee sin etc etc
@@Serkong I don't think that Op.gg is coming in lol
15:58 He blames his ping.
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Holy shit, this is one of the most highly appealing christmas and new year gifts
xD
Nimbus Cloak, Transcendence, Gathering Storm
What a Kennen build
u need the scaling bro
Asmongold playing riven
I love how streight forward he is. You could argue that it is a bit harsh, but facing reality is the only way to learn
this guy must be NA dia 5
So like Plat 1?
@@Joyboy0101 iron 1 at best
This is the greatest juxtaposition one could ask for
Adrian gave me a cool strategy where you stack ur Q level one and use your 3rd towards him and start running at him, if he stops to auto you can beat him with the empowered autos and then when ur q comes back up kill him even through flash. He used it against kennen and killed him but I only found it effective against teemo and maybe some other champ i don't remember.
That laugh at 43:22 merciless lol
Are you feeling it now Mr. Krabs? 🦀
It really triggers me seeing him E up to Kennen when he is in Q range. If you use your Q to engage, you can auto him, W him and then disengage with E to take much less damage. It's best to save at least 1 Q to get extra distance away from him so he can't E to you. If he does E onto you, your creeps hit him and you win the trade more often than not.
LS is a saint
watched the whole video, and learned alot of new shit.
Thanks dude!
FEEL IT FEEL IT FEEL IT FEEL IT FEEL IT FEEL IT FEEL IT FEEL IT FEEL IT FEEL IT FEEL IT FEEL IT
As a diamond Riven I actually learned a bit from this.
ls: *hits the desk*
oh fuck
10:24 i can hear him crying
Sorry if this sounds stupid but what does joust mean and how does it work in this specific scenario at 46:40
In general a joust is a Medieval 1v1 on horseback.
In this specific scenario, it just means a 1v1. It also has the connotation of being a quick 1v1 rather than a long and drawn out one
feel it in your godamm bones!!!
why doesnt he go second wind or something on the 2nd tree ... and start with dorans shield when he knows that he isnt able to trade on his lane ..
Because Diamonds are worthless players that do not know how to play the game but have a shiny enough sticker to feel confident about everything they do or say, even if it's retarded.
@@VladDascaliuc im a shitty gold 3 hardstuck xD check me out i can´t even be more stuck. need some tips to climb. (and don´t say play your fizz cause your WR is OK on him)
euw.op.gg/summoner/userName=Riley%20Reid%2069
@@austrianbeats74 Play Annie, learn to manage waves, concetrate on improving your farming.
What is that background mouse clicking?
pays 80 DOLLARS for coaching and doesn't listen to the coach....ok then.
Couldnt youjust have cut the awkward silence at the beginnig
Coaching videos pogchamp!
FEEL IT
He’s literally not listening to anything LS says lmao
Guys, does anyone know a vod example of what LS is talking at the start about winning lane with that cheese Q strat?
Literally just press the buttons it's so fucking simple LMAO riven players
Q1 away so Kennen walks into auto you then q2 into him q3 into him
@@TheRalouch like wtf, just rewatch it if you missed it and maybe listen, riven players amirite
1 year late lmao I’m laughing. Tf you mean cheese strat.
This video makes me wanna go watch Khan's riven
One thing I learned from Fogged, against Kennen, better get some sustain. And I see this guy starts with D blade. It may be fine if he can mechanically play better and all-in the Kennen, but that is the same as all-in on double 7's. Plus he had the intention to get Tiamat so that he can clear the wave and get out of the lane where he gets poked at 24/7, then he buys warhammer like what...
honestly i would go for resolve with second wind too if i knew i wouldnt be able to play against kennen
@@danielgouveia6758 I do take second wind and the healing amp one as Trynd as well as take fleet footwork
@@MathStringInputOutpu yeah then his sustain is so crazy, also nice to play mid lane into mages. They'll blow their whole mana on pokeing you while almost not loosing HP, then hard push and make them loose cs under turret or make them take a bad recall. without mana junlge will never kill you so if he comes just waste his time. Once 6 and you know where the jungler is. if they stay under turret without mana just a free dive. Funny part is they always play aggresive early because they think they counter you.
23:48 ur welcome
the moment he start d-blade against a kennen i knew he was gonna int lmao. No hate since im also a riven main but hes playing the matchup wayyy too wrong
This looks like EUW gold
its not like na is a wildcard region kekw
I love that "Learning how to learn" This guy has no fucking clue how to be coached. He does the exact opposite of the guy he's paying money. It's insane lol! It's not like they're in the same elo- LS is a 1st class coach! rofl
Ok he starts to listen at the end... but doesn't understand what blow your load means... Every time he goes all out on the kennen.. at this point I'm screaming at my PC loL!
wait isn't this guys voice very similar to Adrian?
thought the same
yung adrian went into the future to get coached by LS and become a Riven god
Their skill isn't though 😔
how can ls manage to not rage there
This is basically what I have to witness as one of my teammates in rankeds
You probably do the same shit
@@Joe-ut3sz 99% sure he does
What exactly is a joust?
2 knights clashing at each other, you know those mediavel tournaments shit
why? riven main? this guy is a classic example of a rivin main, plays the game like its a fighting game and insta tilts if he dosent win lane wonder what his rank would be without riven
probably higher than his rank with riven
I think you think that dia players actually understand a bit of the game but they dont
@@arraka- sadly but no, there are but a few top champs that can make a difference in a game.
If he wins he means a lot, if he loses, well chances are in most games it won't matter, cause as I said, most top champs are not able to carry.
This guy only got to dia cause numbers were on his side, and he had enough games played to make those numbers matter.
@@simon3627 what rank are you
how can i get a coach with him?
Does it matter on which server I am, if I want to get coaching?
You better have a nice amount of money then.
FEEL IT!!!!!
What did the guy say that made LS so angry at 23:48?
LS was telling him to bait the recall, so that when kennen attempts to hold the wave for a freeze or follow him to cancel the recall or if he doesn't he'll have a safe recall considering him not knowing where lee sin is.
stay = ganked by lee
Stay = dive and get either kill, death, or 1 for 1 which is obviously not worth it for him since the wave is pushing to his side and that if he tp's he would get ganked by lee (missing)
So the better option was to recall in a bush to bait kennen in to a kill or safe recall to get boots to go to lane faster since kennen can't really hold the lane to a safe spot for a freeze since he is really low on health.
I know the game is only 1v1 but incase it was put to a real 5v5 scenario that will be the outcome.
In a real game where non-mana jungler of blue side farms he will generally start at red then move up to blue on the 3 minute to 4 minute mark, even in the 1v1 custom LS isn't only teachimg him how to LANE vs kennen but also how to get proper wave control and recall timings since as you saw this guy is really bad in taking trades and recalls.
Oh a diamond riven main that copied fakers name. I bet he's not a delusional egomaniac.
Jk - he actually is
I like how he is getting coached but not listening to anything.
As a Riven main in D4 too, I'm embarrassed. Now I'm motivated to get at least D2 or D1 so I won't be lumped in together with this guy jesus
Am I the only one who notices LS has Japanese set to his default windows language? OP as f. 🤣😂🤣
G1t R3kt its korean. =_=
bought a coach to troll
Can anyone explain the "wave: A, B, C, D" to me? He mentioned it in another coaching session too but idk wtf kind of waves or states of minions the letters are supposed to represent, idk how would the person being coached know either
Wave A refers to the first set of minions (generally the current wave fighting in lane in these cases) you define as “A” in that instance. From that point forward, each of the subsequent/following waves are defined as B, C, etc for however long is necessary. At any point, you may designate another wave you’re currently looking at as A, and go from there.
It’s just a way to define each wave so it’s easier to plan out what you want to do in any given situation.
Perfect.
How much to get training from LS? Or this a "he must chose you" Kind'a deal.
They discuss it at the start of the video, AND a quick google search will give you your answer.
Got to love replys that say "Google it". Thanks :p
you must be watching his stream when he is doing a coaching stream. then you probably ask a mod or something.
maaaan LS is so great, that's why we call him LS who is so great
what them codes about ;D
this is diamond?
Damn LS must make a nice buck off of coaching
FEEL IT GACHIGASM
Im literally only watching even tho this is outdated bc i just wanna see this dude get flamed
who is max?
Is it me or do Riven mains play with their brain off?
When u enter into a brain of riven mains
god this is so hard to watch
And the ego on this guy is holy fck. LS has literally above challenger understanding of the game and is higher rank than him but he still tries to debate on what to do and etc. He doesnt listen he think he is good enough and doesnt listen to a coach. What even is the point on wanting coaching from LS if u dont even listen.
Lol I love how LS always has house full of players that are better than you at what you want to one-trick.
Ls is the best coach that will ever exist.
should just play mordekaiser at least he has a guitar