7:44 I think Josh is an invention of Clancy's mind. Through the whole story, he's always next to Clancy no matter what happens. On Levitate, we see Nico capturing Clancy and only Clancy, but when SAI started, Josh, was with him.
I have a theory... I heard somewhere that people theorize Nico or Keons to be Clancy's father, but I have a different idea. In I Am Clancy, I believe Tyler/Clancy said something about the Banditos needing him for something, or maybe that's just what I gathered from something else. Either way, in the song, (overcompensate), Tyler calls himself the "prodigal son". The prodigal son was a young man who left his home with his fathers inheritance, blew it, lost everything, but eventually came back to his father, and there was a huge celebration (this is all biblical references). Not only that, but we get an introduction for Josh for the first time, but not as torchbearer (they also failed to mention him in I Am Clancy. Makes you wonder if he's someone more important). He is introduced as Josh Dun instead of torchbearer AND mentioned as "wanted dead or alive." this whole part of the song is an address to the young people of Dema, as Clancy is trying to start a revolution. My guess is he was a legendary criminal and rebel from back a couple decades ago, and he wants to let them know: "Hey, this guy knows what he's doing. He already escaped the Bishops, and is the mastermind and leader of the Banditos. His name is Josh Dun. Sound familiar? Yeah he's that guy your parents grew up with who resisted and left Dema." Saying this would probably get the young people hyped, and give them the same feeling Clancy felt in the past that got him to eventually rebel. Sorry got a bit on a tangent, but an important one. I'm saying all this because what if Josh Dun is Clancy's father?!?! It would make sense; he is back with the banditos crowned with glory and leadership. Although he was gone for a time, he's back, and now its time to celebrate. The reason the banditos need him, is that he is likely the chosen son of the legendary leader of the Banditos, Josh Dun. His power and newfound authority will be a huge asset to the Banditos, and this is also probably why they went to such great lengths to get him both in and out of Dema. I'll be putting this up on a few different channels, as it is probably the best and most complicated theory I have come up with so far.
the whole josh/torchbearer thing is very interesting, cause like, not just being in dema and with actual clancy at the same time, but in dema itself, he was playing behind the door, and inside the church/court at the same time, he was already playing when tyler went thru the door.
I have an insane theory. Clancy is or “was” the guy Tyler seized in the video thus “Clancy is dead” and now he is (I am) Clancy!! Clancy is the leader inside dema and Tyler is now controlling him from the outside to get the citizens to take over. I don’t think Tyler really “is Clancy”, he can just access him. And Clancy really is dead!
i’ve seen that theory going around! but i’m still going to guess this was just a lost bandito tyler seized to get to dema. if he’s in trench, it would make sense he’s using his powers to access dema but stay away from it. in ned’s cozy fireplace, a ned writes a letter that clancy was seen with torchbearer, just like keons said. this is the outside music video, right before tyler learned the power to seize, meaning he was already associated with that name. this was also before this music video. He was named clancy before he seized this person in the music video, so im gonna guess tyler really is just clancy. but thats just me.
Ngl, I wasn't the biggest fan of it at first, but I love it now that I've listened to it a few times. But even though I wasn't the biggest fan at first, that didn't mean I wasn't excited, I was still so hyped because there's not a single album of theirs I don't like. I absolutely can't wait to see where this album goes from here!
been a fan sense right before blurryface era, just recently learned the full lore of what we know at least right before we got the i am clancy video, so im hyped but i'm definitely no expert. However i do know when it comes to twenty one pilots they are always very intentional with what the make and put out there, so i trust they definitely have a meaning behind the cover the album cover.. either way it's not the album cover that i've been waiting 2/3 years for, it's the music, the feeling of community, new ideas, and now that i understand the lore, the story, is what i've been waiting for. and gosh darn did these boys really pull through. forever my favorite band, and the best community i've been apart of.💛
i definitely agree with you! i don’t hate the album cover, and i’ll admit the jokes about it were funny. but it wasn’t what i was expecting. the lore definitely overcompensated for that.. hah see what i did there
Loving the new song with all the Trench/banditos references. Tyler confirmed on that BBC interview today that this will be the tour opener. Welcome Back to Trench! 🙌 Oh and your cat is adorable! 🐈⬛
There's a really cool animatic of redecorate by Alex TK, where they basically summarize the whole dema storyline through their storyboarding, and during the sumbarine flooding scene tyler/clancy goes to help josh, but its not him. A theory some people have come up with that i really love is that the real josh is the one we see in the jumpsuit, levitate, and outside mv, bandito him. all the other "joshes" are being seized by dema as part of the propaganda to keep a seamless experience. Like in the livestream, the lady says "where is josh? are you hiding?" and ofc he shows up but tyler doesnt seem to have any reaction, because its not his friend, its another puppet. (also check out the animatic its so coo!!)
i was in the trenches when the album cover and tracklist leaked. the girls were fighting. it was all out war. just post after post about how bad the cover is, immediately followed up by people who like the cover telling everyone to shut up. and people saying the tracklist is fake. but honestly these are the same people who made a stock image of a vulture their album cover with a song called “pet cheetah” on said album. i have faith everything will make more sense in context 😂
what do u think of linkin park , them and 21 are my all time fav bands love ur 21p related vids btw , got the lore thnx to u and is it weird that (scaled and icy) is my fav album ?
7:44 I think Josh is an invention of Clancy's mind. Through the whole story, he's always next to Clancy no matter what happens. On Levitate, we see Nico capturing Clancy and only Clancy, but when SAI started, Josh, was with him.
ok this is too close to the forest fic…
@@groovyghostnotes Sorry, but I have no idea what that is, can you explain a bit?
I think as josh just returns by boat, that he was in Dema and that he came back as the bishops are only after Clancy
And the heathens video he was floating around covered in runes leading people to believe he was a figment of Tyler’s imagination
that’s what i’m saying!
The text on Josh's neck is "Bearer of the Torch" in a different language.
i should’ve known
Ukrainian!
Torchbearer*
@@galahad2608 gross
I think Josh is just everywhere in Trench. Wherever he is needed there he is
I think both Tyler and Josh are two aspects of Clancy, with Josh being the one who always finds hope and pulls Tyler to act.
I have a theory...
I heard somewhere that people theorize Nico or Keons to be Clancy's father, but I have a different idea. In I Am Clancy, I believe Tyler/Clancy said something about the Banditos needing him for something, or maybe that's just what I gathered from something else. Either way, in the song, (overcompensate), Tyler calls himself the "prodigal son". The prodigal son was a young man who left his home with his fathers inheritance, blew it, lost everything, but eventually came back to his father, and there was a huge celebration (this is all biblical references). Not only that, but we get an introduction for Josh for the first time, but not as torchbearer (they also failed to mention him in I Am Clancy. Makes you wonder if he's someone more important). He is introduced as Josh Dun instead of torchbearer AND mentioned as "wanted dead or alive." this whole part of the song is an address to the young people of Dema, as Clancy is trying to start a revolution. My guess is he was a legendary criminal and rebel from back a couple decades ago, and he wants to let them know: "Hey, this guy knows what he's doing. He already escaped the Bishops, and is the mastermind and leader of the Banditos. His name is Josh Dun. Sound familiar? Yeah he's that guy your parents grew up with who resisted and left Dema." Saying this would probably get the young people hyped, and give them the same feeling Clancy felt in the past that got him to eventually rebel.
Sorry got a bit on a tangent, but an important one. I'm saying all this because what if Josh Dun is Clancy's father?!?! It would make sense; he is back with the banditos crowned with glory and leadership. Although he was gone for a time, he's back, and now its time to celebrate. The reason the banditos need him, is that he is likely the chosen son of the legendary leader of the Banditos, Josh Dun. His power and newfound authority will be a huge asset to the Banditos, and this is also probably why they went to such great lengths to get him both in and out of Dema.
I'll be putting this up on a few different channels, as it is probably the best and most complicated theory I have come up with so far.
Josh is just Josh. He is a multiversal singularity. He’s everywhere👽
3:30 she couldn't stop speaking the whole time lmao 😂
i am working so hard to not get a copyright strike
@@groovyghostnotesI see btw nice video enjoyed watching it
Would be waiting to see your drum cover on this one
I did hear something about Overcompensate becoming the tour opener - the BBC Radio interview possibly
the whole josh/torchbearer thing is very interesting, cause like, not just being in dema and with actual clancy at the same time, but in dema itself, he was playing behind the door, and inside the church/court at the same time, he was already playing when tyler went thru the door.
I have an insane theory. Clancy is or “was” the guy Tyler seized in the video thus “Clancy is dead” and now he is (I am) Clancy!! Clancy is the leader inside dema and Tyler is now controlling him from the outside to get the citizens to take over. I don’t think Tyler really “is Clancy”, he can just access him. And Clancy really is dead!
i’ve seen that theory going around! but i’m still going to guess this was just a lost bandito tyler seized to get to dema.
if he’s in trench, it would make sense he’s using his powers to access dema but stay away from it.
in ned’s cozy fireplace, a ned writes a letter that clancy was seen with torchbearer, just like keons said. this is the outside music video, right before tyler learned the power to seize, meaning he was already associated with that name. this was also before this music video.
He was named clancy before he seized this person in the music video, so im gonna guess tyler really is just clancy. but thats just me.
Cat ears is the 1st thing I thought when I 1st saw the new mask last week.
7:43 "Then who was Josh?"
im so happy rn
same
correct me if im wrong, but Tyler confirmed it was gonna be a opening song for tour in a interview on BBC earlier today.
Have you seen how all of the album covers on all the streaming services have red tape on them now?
it’s so blurryface omfg i’m losing it i’m too excited
Ngl, I wasn't the biggest fan of it at first, but I love it now that I've listened to it a few times. But even though I wasn't the biggest fan at first, that didn't mean I wasn't excited, I was still so hyped because there's not a single album of theirs I don't like. I absolutely can't wait to see where this album goes from here!
This has to be my favorite lead single so far 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
it’s either this one or jumpsuit for me
loooving the new soooooong!!!!!!!!!!!!! *does the bend symbol with head tilts*
been a fan sense right before blurryface era, just recently learned the full lore of what we know at least right before we got the i am clancy video, so im hyped but i'm definitely no expert. However i do know when it comes to twenty one pilots they are always very intentional with what the make and put out there, so i trust they definitely have a meaning behind the cover the album cover.. either way it's not the album cover that i've been waiting 2/3 years for, it's the music, the feeling of community, new ideas, and now that i understand the lore, the story, is what i've been waiting for. and gosh darn did these boys really pull through. forever my favorite band, and the best community i've been apart of.💛
i definitely agree with you! i don’t hate the album cover, and i’ll admit the jokes about it were funny.
but it wasn’t what i was expecting. the lore definitely overcompensated for that.. hah see what i did there
Loving the new song with all the Trench/banditos references. Tyler confirmed on that BBC interview today that this will be the tour opener. Welcome Back to Trench! 🙌
Oh and your cat is adorable! 🐈⬛
There's a really cool animatic of redecorate by Alex TK, where they basically summarize the whole dema storyline through their storyboarding, and during the sumbarine flooding scene tyler/clancy goes to help josh, but its not him. A theory some people have come up with that i really love is that the real josh is the one we see in the jumpsuit, levitate, and outside mv, bandito him. all the other "joshes" are being seized by dema as part of the propaganda to keep a seamless experience. Like in the livestream, the lady says "where is josh? are you hiding?" and ofc he shows up but tyler doesnt seem to have any reaction, because its not his friend, its another puppet. (also check out the animatic its so coo!!)
DOES ANYONE GET THIS AD THAT SHOWS THE NEW ALBUM STUFF OR IS IT JUST ME???
@@orange_star801 OKAY
I am so gonna make my own clany era outfit
i want the mask so bad
@@groovyghostnotes same
I watched it during class lol. Thank god for a sub
2:34
You owe me 2 new ears.
my bad
i was in the trenches when the album cover and tracklist leaked. the girls were fighting. it was all out war. just post after post about how bad the cover is, immediately followed up by people who like the cover telling everyone to shut up. and people saying the tracklist is fake.
but honestly these are the same people who made a stock image of a vulture their album cover with a song called “pet cheetah” on said album. i have faith everything will make more sense in context 😂
I got like 4 hours of sleep last night and then I missed the premiere 😱😱
it’s okay! i wasn’t there either i was stuck in my class 😭
HEY!! i'm trying to upload my reaction video but it keeps getting copyright blocked.. did you have this issue? or do you know how i could fix this?
so this video got a claim actually, i’m trying to dispute it. my best advice is to not edit the audio, keep volume low, and talk over it a lot.
@@groovyghostnotes Thank you so much!!! i hope this works i’m literally so heartbroken
The video is way too gooood
You should make a drum cover of the song :)
what do u think of linkin park , them and 21 are my all time fav bands
love ur 21p related vids btw , got the lore thnx to u
and is it weird that (scaled and icy) is my fav album ?
Joshs posture at the end of the mv was very off balance. That’s not Josh dragging the boat…😱
I’m so excited 😭
me too
7:46 josh isn’t real
forest fic canon
also the lights in the red room look like upside down crosses
lets goooo
we going
I want the tour dates and locations announced already 🤣 its been too long!