Sounds like poor Pete got screwed over by everyone. Kicked for the dumbest possible reason I've ever heard of in my life. Then he was deluded enough to think this storyteller girl gave a crap about him when she was only using him to fill an emotional hole while pining over some other idiot. Everyone in this story is cringe for not being upfront and honest with each other and I'm glad there is no happy ending for any of these manipulative scumbags.
I find the detail about how OP only wanted an in-game relationship odd. Like, so what if they were in a relationship IRL? But still had an in-game relationship? To some people that’s probably considered cheating. Idk if you’re gonna put effort into any kind of relationship why does it have to be limited to a specific thing like a game? 🤷🏻♀️
@@dc-13258 I wouldn't be surprised if there was a third unnamed guy potentially getting screwed by her either. Dude is probably blissfully unaware of certain throbbing going on towards another man's voice.
To me this is just a bunch of nonsensical e-girl drama. Enroll in college. If your hillbilly dad and friends hammered it into your mind that college is a waste with the "student loan speech," then get a job, go to work, and climb your hardware store ladder. Do something with your life. You will never be Japanese. You will never find the love of your life in Japan. Asian culture doesn't think like you at all. You will never be the protagonist in an anime. You will never have God and anime on your side. You will always be a normal everyday loser.
Honestly, I feel like that entire FC needs to touch grass? Idk that's just what I feel listening to this story But the thing with Pete really did annoy me the most. A guy stole millions from the FC, an FC member rightfully calls them a scumbag, and the FC member is called out? Not the thief? I'd be patting Pete on the back for that, and if I were OP, I would have left with Pete
I agree about the touch grass thing. At first I was like, okay is this some role play stuff or something and the cringe that befell upon me when i realized these are just really...really....REALLY invested in the game people. LOL
Apparently calling someone a scumbag for doing scumbag things is a good enough reason to kick him out of the fc. Ngl the storyteller is like a bad friend for this lmfao.
It seems to me like OP probably mentioned they don't want an IRL relationship, so Phoenix started looking for a new potential IRL girlfriend and didn't want to "waste time" getting more feelings for OP. But I find it weird that OP was so devastated that Phoenix started growing distant if they didn't want to be in an IRL relationship anyways?? Like you can't expect someone to give up hours of their life to flirt and hang out and voice chat with you in-game, but never act on it in real life. I don't blame Phoenix for preferring something "real", which is what Slothgirl was offering (until they broke up). It's kind of sad though that he seemed so desperate to start an IRL relationship from an in-game connection, to the point of speed-dating all these different women until something worked.
My day was ruined when I got home, opened my inbox and was met with a message that just said “scumbag”. Literally shaking and crying rn. Just awful. I’ve already alerted the authorities on this harasser. 😤 Gonna need more quality drama vids like this one from you Pathra if I am ever gonna get myself out of this rut. Thx
I wouldnt be surprised if this Pete wasnt the most liked person in the FC... Sounds to me like they use this supposed "harrassment" situation to get rid of him... Whether it was deserved or not I cant tell but it sounds fishy. Difficult situation to be in, thats for sure...
to me it sounds like one of those overly family friendly FC's where swearing is like the biggest sin you could commit, OP even said that pete "showed his true colors" by sending that moogle mail which is just insane Overly family friendly fc's have always been a massive red flag to me, they tend to be very passively aggressive and toxic
She should’ve kept this story she embarrassed herself. She’s desperate, used Pete, didn’t have his back as his wife, and still desperate for the fc leader she was never even dating. She needs to touch grass this is pathetic
OP FFXIV Diary Entry #1 "Anyways so I'm omw to marriage number 5, not with Phoenix of course. Husband number 5 is Phoenix's BFF and also an Officer in our FC. I'm slowly working my way back to Phoenix, I know it will work out in the end. I only really have one tiny issue. I still havent figured out what Im going to do about that shy sloth but I know Ill figure it out. He is the Jack to my Rose, and his end game is to die in freezing water holding my hand while I lay on a board that easily could have fit both of us. We're meant to be, he is my star crossed lover, my twin flame, my soul mate!"
people need to stop immediately developing a crush on anyone who gives them the slightest amount of attention online and is nice 😐it's so childish and the fact that those are presumably adults is kinda embarrassing lol
after hearing how Pete got booted, I'd leave the FC honestly but I guess back in my early days of FF, being in my first couple FCs, I thought it was my "forever home". I too would try to recruit, organize FC stuff, and all that jazz with the airship, crafting, decorations, etc. So I can understand for the OP wanting to stay early on since it sounds like she felt a strong connection of "forever home" with them with everything she's provided and done. good luck to the OP, but that FC sounds like a mess LOL
How can anyone get feelings online from someone they have never met because someone calls you lady in text...laid on the bed etc. This is so...dumb. I just can't compute how it's possible
phoenix was pretty bad if you ask me people are goofy online and you have to set boundaries right away let people know your intentions, and sometimes even that is not enough, the hot to cold he did on her was pretty stupid. also his fc from the posters perspective was in ruins; so you are gone for a week and your fc falls apart sounds bad, If I were to disappear tmr my 2nd in command would easily take over for me and if he could not the 3rd would lol. the fact that they would kick Pete over calling the FC chest raider a scumbag is amusing to me, dude was loyal to his FC and he said the quiet part out loud if you didn't like pete should have let that be known out the gate, and kicking people from the FC is not an officers choice it's on the FC leader. Pete is the type that I would allow into my fc and I'd make his ass an officer after a few months. OP loses all sympathy from me because of how she did Pete alone; didn't want to get married but did anyway, didn't stand up for him after the obvious BS happened from the pencil thin Fc, proceeded to be annoyed and awkward with Pete after the fact because the same fc was being weird, like she has no thoughts or choices of her own. Op is a wallflower, let stuff they don't like happen and then get annoyed after the fact, and your fc is gonna have more drama in the future enjoy that.
Well, in ToS, yes, its an offence. And Pete wasnt every subtle by writing it out in ingame mail, meaning the other dude couldve reported him to SE... but what the FC did is... bs, imo at least... Even if Pete had gotten a ban or suspention, the FC should've had his back...
Yeah you can troll people and ruin their gameplay experience to get them to say something mean to you in chat and then report them and they will get a strike on their account. I've seen people do it a few times. It's a really shtty system they have ingame.
@@markup6394I agree, it's SE and GMs job to give him a telling off, I don't understand why the FC thought they should take action when what he had was valid anger, and you'd expect other FC members to share the same sentiment :\
Oh my! But you just know that this kind of story happens a lot in this game! I've heard and seen enough to know that and it makes me cry a little. It seems that no matter where we are, we're all seeking a companion on this journey of life.
These FC's need to start hiring me as like, a moral consultant or something, homie should not have been kicked for something as small as that, kinda goofy.
I get where Phoenix was coming from, I've been really close to someone who felt like they liked me, but it turned out that we just had a platonic relationship which I found out from asking them if they liked me because I told them I liked them also, but yeah that's where I learnt that we are just really close friends. I'm ok with that! I never let things ruin a friendship. But of course, I feel like the whole thing of them being alone together in apartment and that, really should've been obvious.
the bed part reminds me of how I fell in love with my husband XD I helped him with some stuff in game and added him as a friend, talked everyday. I just AFKed and never logged out so I was parked in a city (it wasn't FF14) one day I woke up to him sitting next to me and I got really flustered, hahaha. The rest is history, eventually meet in real life, marry, kids.
I feel like this all would have been solved if op had communicated her feelings towards the fc leader instead of immediately rebounding to another guy once she saw him becoming distant.
Omg this thing with the voice, I've felt the same when I met my actual IRL partner x) We met on FF a year and a half ago and woooooo, ZE voice. It charmed me instantly. And today we live together, got a house, a dog and a cat and we are more than happy to build a life together :3
These people are playing a whole different game. I'm over here collecting virtual currencies and they are having affairs, marrying and divorcing 4 times, getting banned, stealing onions. May my FF14 gameplay NEVER be this interesting.
This shows how lonely ff players are.the red flag is this was her 4th in game marriage,wtf!im new and my fc leader tried modding my character in erp mods with out permission and was very persistent with me from the moment he met.its the biggest fc on the manduin server and alot of those player are level 99 players who left old worlds and now wanna run and try to groom new players
Yeah there are some FF players who are completely degenerate af. I once was in a raid group and found out the raid lead would use ERP mods to watch us be naked during our runs. And then I knew a few guys who always had a new FF girlfriend every week and drama. Man, people need to touch grass.
@@pyroflare7774u know what I mean lol im so used to lvl 99 in games lmao.but the point im saying is level 90 players are the worst types because they tend to stop playing the game and helping people and they start grooming people into erp and thier drama.im a new player and I thought limsa dwellers were the people u make friends with but it turns out u stay away from them.any drama I've had,which is nutz a new player has drama on a dead server manduin.one dude was stalling me and told me that he had left his prior server after one of his marriages failed.like "one" of his marriages lmao.its likes 70 % of this community isn't even playing the game.its such a turn off not knowing what some1s motives are.maybe once but I've had at least 6 friends get wierd after they learn I dont wanna erp.the help wasnt help,it was grooming.once they saw I didn't wanna sit in thier laps and stand around all day,we weren't friends.should lvl 90 players be helping people thru the game,not standing in limsa?
@@Miketationthe leader of the biggest fc on manduin grooms new players.i was in gradania and I get a tell "I like ur name" turns out he does that to everyone pretty character.a week later takes me to balhmont,i to check out the scene. About two weeks go by I say is there anything I can do to help fc,he says oh there's something u can do.i literally say no erp.he says "ok,actually can u help me with a mod" I'm on ps5 no clue what he wants.when I get there he ask me to lay in the bed and change postitions,its helping him create a mod.when I sat in the bed I question him "this is a mod".the moment he said i was sitting on his bed different from my screen I jumped up and left,after telling him I dont want to be in erp pics.i sent him a message and reported him but he's still there doing same thing,cause I changed my name and race about amounts after leaving the fc.a few days ago he comes up to me not knowing who I was and says " I like ur name" I have photos saved and everything.im gonna send this story to her
It goes deeper,he was telling me to trust him and all this stuff,next day I finally log into our discord and see a crazy erp section with toons doing 3 somes and all types of gross crap.i sent him a letter saying " I hope I didn't do anything like that to my character,I felt disrespected" he said sorry.im new,if u could see the screenshots,cause ps5 allows u to record and take photos u would be like wtf.the report system is completely broken.how can some1 do that and not be banned.reporting doesn't allow u to send pics,its literally useless.imagine if that happened to a teenager smh.these people are freaks
That is the reason why we have a private FC with my mom and sister. Kinda too afraid to play with others... But I like watching these stories to see that side of FFXIV. Great vid!
As much as I love my FC, I don’t want to be an FC leader anymore. There’s just too much drama at risk and I ain’t got time for that. I’ve had my fair share in the past and I’m over that life lol.
Ngl the OP was kinda cray cray. Falling for the fc lead, randomly decorating his home without his knowledge , getting jealous when she chose to move on , 1000% used the poor Pete dude …. She was a sheeeesh
When a man says "you gotta do what you gotta do" it 90% of the time means they have something they want to tell you, but are not yet in a point they feel ok to do so. Usually are unsure about the feelings they have especially when it's a videogame. At least that's my take on that part.
HM I wonder if Pheonix misunderstood OP's intentions/feelings and got jealous when OP got with Pete. maybe got with the shy girl to make OP jealous and saw an opportunity to get rid of Pete by overblowing the "scumbag" thing and convinced everyone that was the move. that's the only reason I can think someone would be super duper upset at the "scumbag" thing more than the literal stealing of FC items?? I would expect they'd be on Pete's side like "yeah who cares he called him a scumbag he took all our stuff!" but some reason there's none of that. OP is funny af this was entertaining for sure
I was harassed by an FC leader when I started the game because I wouldnt change my characters gender.. Then it turned into messages about leaving my husband. This is what I get for joining their discord and sharing details about myself I probably shouldnt have, but I was excited to be apart of a small group of like minded people. Boy was I wrong. I run my own FC now......
.....lol... I cannot with this. He should've been clearer with the OP, tbh. You can flirt. You can do whatever the hey you want but draw the lines when you start spending a lot of time together to establish it's a friendship, not a relationship.
It was a frustrating story to hear but I also get it. I’ve been in these situations where you fall for the person but not wanting them in real life, but you enjoy them being with you in game. So it’s relatable and sucks that it happens. Especially when you see the person flirting it up in front of you. Love this kind of content, hope to hear more!
Crazy people. I've run my own Fc for 10+ years and never had anything like this. Sadly Phoenix used her as the shiny new toy so kept her close til the shine wore off and never put a ring on it, but her whole attitude to Pete is so odd to me The poor scumbag wasn't a scumbag at all, he was well within his rights to be unhappy, the thief needed kicking, theft isn't a normal thing to accept. She them claims she felt uncomfortable when he came near her after, well so she should, he was unfairly kicked and she let that happen (guilty conscience). FC ranks are nothing, friends are everything, she isn't a worthy friend and I definitely wouldn't want her in my FC and on a final note - People need to set permissions correctly for chest access, this stops theft.
side note: her name was tiffany, sloth girl was a nickname bestowed upon her. also this video should be called "everyone in my fc has communication issues, including me" lol
30:00 oh my...tbh im kinda the same as the person who's intersted and then not and then again. In terms of voices, there are more are some nice voice but most important is that the voice doesnt annoy you :x
I wonder how people can live through so much drama then I realize I fell for someone in the game that was probably a scammer (a strange story about the guy finding work at an embassy and wanted to confirm my identity...) So yeah..
Excellent read, was a pretty funny story. Online relationships are cute and fun but also full of deceit, meaningless squabbles, and delay you from growing in real life. Be careful out there.
This, so much this. It takes time to get to know someone IRL let alone in an online environment where people only let you see what they want you to see. You truly don't know who those people behind the characters are; sure sometimes they turn out to be a really great match and you find a real partner or a true friend, but it's RARE relative to the number of relationships and friendships that fail within just a few weeks.
I've been on the receiving end of raid logging and it sucks. You get excited when people suddenly log on and start chatting, for them to be silent after starting as they need to concentrate. I now raid log because honestly raid sucks a lot of energy out of me. Luckily our FC is quiet since a lot of people quit the game so it didn't matter. But I actually find it easier to play on my alt to do socialising than on my main now which is weird 😅
No reason not to try and honestly if you make sure not to join one of these degenerate FCs it can really transcend to more than just an escape. Normal FCs are equally social and beyond without all the eternally online weirdness of this story. My FC leader met her partner through the game a couple of expacs ago and just recently got married IRL. I've lost count of how many couples I know who met through the game as well as how many IRL meetups the FC has done now. If there's any game in which you'll meet potential partners and lifelong friends its FFXIV.
@@EmpyreanDreamer not what I was refering too, but I always enjoy the social aspect of mmorpg's. I was a heavy runescape player like a decade ago lol. Mainly vefriending higher level players and gawking at their gear. Those were some of my favorite memories 😅
Wow, so much drama lol. I’m so oblivious when I play. I’m one of those solo players that joins the first FC that reaches out to me, then totally forget I’m in one and just do my questing lol. I didn’t even know about night clubs until recently. Apparently I don’t MMO correctly 😂😂
I never understood FCs that try to act like theyre some kind of publically traded organization. So what if he called someone a scumbag, is there some kind of Hyur Resources Department thats forcing you to kick him out of fear of a lawsuit? Thats stupid.
I feel she used pete for revenge and him getting pete was bs, and the FC leader hot take was never into her. Soo poor one out for pete cause he got screwed here
1:47 Ironically I don't raid with my fc, coz they don't really raid. And I actually feel pretty disconnected from my FC XD. Do speak now and then and help people queue, but I feel like most of the people in there don't know who I am even though I been in the FC for like 4 years. You could say im like an alternate version of this person XD, I didn't fall for my FC leader though I do love her as a friend.
I will never ever ever understand FFXIV dating. I only have a couple friends who do it, and they only have nightmare stories to share, like nothing good comes out of their dating histories lol
While having the marriage system is nice in FF14 if it were me I would not look for a real life relationship in the game. It sounds like a path that more often that not is going to fail. A lot of people just look at this as a game and may just want the fancy chocobo that comes with the marriage.
I'm more into it for RP reasons, just nice to have kind of a "best friend" in game, most relationships fail anyways so might as well try it with person met ingame XD
@@luja5546they aren't irl couples because they never meet.these people are lonely.its not love when ur desperate and the 1st person who says hi u love no matter who it is
I'm curious, which DC have the most dramatic moments like this? So far I've only played on EU ones and nothing happened to me like how people describe their stories..maybe bc I was playing a fem midlander lmao
Phoenix had unspoken rizz i wish i was in his position i talk to a ton of girls on here it just doesn't click it's kinda sad ngl i seek a companion that's a woman not a man this story got me jealous. Phoenix seems to be the type to rush things OP wouldn't have minded if it led to a potential irl relationship but he was so hesitant to force a irl thing and that's not how things work you know such a travesty to both of them seemed like something out of a Manga when they were laying down and venting to each other so cutee ❤
NGL kinda mad at the OP for just abandoning Pete when he got booted from the FC for no reason. He deserved better. also the OP was kinda creepy and ngl kinda came across as a creeper with redecorating his house and the ...throb etc etc...
You knew they were lost when they ranted about the voice. I think a lot of drama would not happen if people would stop assuming what others think. We have this beautiful ability to communicate, so lets just do that and talk instead of assuming what others think. Unless yall can read minds. Then please go ahead.
I'm so done with big FCs, I been in few of them. Finally I have my own FC, with just my main and alts only. I get when ur new, u need to be in a active FCs, with alot of people to help u out. Once u become a veteran, can go ur own way.
I personally think it was a manipulative tactic that FC leader was trying to pull on OP by saying he thought she wasn't interested in him anymore after he started being distant with her first. I'm glad OP didn't fall for it and seemed like they still went their separate ways because to be honest I think that guy was a scumbag himself and allowed too much toxicity to happen in that FC. As a guild leader for Guild Wars 2 I've never allowed any kind of behavior like that. Our guild is super small now with a select few members who still get into the VC sometimes, usually anyone new who joins only stays for like a day and then never comes back which could be due to the fact that we just aren't really an active guild anymore but we still like to help new players (or at least I do) with anything they might need help with and our discord has tons of great info that is useful for new players trying to learn what to do in the game and what certain items are for. I ran the guild with my husband so it was definitely a joint effort and still a pleasant one I think. We did have a couple weirdos come and go through the years but luckily the guild saw through their toxic personalities and didn't put up with that crap either and backed my decisions to kick them from the guild and block them from the discord. Sometimes you gotta make hard decisions but it's for the sake of the comfort of the rest of the guild in order to have a comfortable chill group. and to Pete, you're totally welcome in our guild any time bro. 😆👍
Ngl I like certain voices too. I WOULD NOT SAY i felt that "clitoral throb" with all of them. I just have sensitive ears/hearing so some people I just feel comfort from their voice. Kudos to OP to say clitoral throb in this story 😂😂 that takes a lotta guts!
Ahhhh the weddings in the same week lmao. I had asked someone in the game to marry me and then another lady - who probably had a huge crush on him too - immediately asked someone else to marry her. (Not obvious at all.) I attended her wedding. I was left at the alter at my wedding. xD The Final Fantasy drama!!
Oh man, I got some FFXIV drama 😂 Still fresh and ongoing but long story short, I wanted to spend more time with my long distance girlfriend of 10 years (whom I continuously would fly out to see her or her to see me and asked her a few times to move in with me but she couldn't. She had to take care of her elderly parents and I'm in Uni so I couldn't move there) So, since she liked Sword art online and I played FF and knew the theme is the same and so she'd like it, I bought her a Ps4, mouse and keyboard gaming set up, the game and all expansions as well as a 1 yr subscription.. not even a couple months in, I find out she was cheating on me with the ENTIRE FC. So I left the FC and the game, deleted discord and got into a conversation with her about our future. We broke up and decided to stay friends. You don't abandon 10 years of love easily.. so fast forward like a year.. I'm still technically waiting for her because she said she was never gonna date again. One day, she buys me a subscription for FF and we start playing together again. Eventually, I moved servers to be in the same FC and we're as close as ever. But she changed to be a fem bun, and started getting LOTS of attention for it. There was this guy who she said was stalking her and it made her uncomfortable so she wanted me to pretend we're still dating to get him to back off. At first me and him actually became friends, but he started to get jealous and started treating me badly and one night we were running PoTD. He was being extremely rude and toxic to me and she would be on the phone with HIM, and took his side. So I left the party and unfriended him, told her that wasn't cool and we moved on. Suddenly, she is spending ALL her time with him, on the phone with him all the time, talking to him or about him all the time. So I'm feeling jealous of him already when she announces to me she is already in a serious relationship with someone (literally a week after trying to be intimate with me and i turned her down to protect my feelings) and that he wants to meet me. I say hell no and that's that. So now I'm dealing with the fact that she has a bf suddenly and she is putting a stranger she doesn't even like over me as a friend after 10 freaking yrs. I decided to confront her about my feelings and she was talking to me that fake way you talk to acquaintances. So I dig deeper and ask why we broke up, really. Why did she fall out of love with me before she cheated? Her answer? We had a pretty rough trip to LA a year before we broke up that led into a bit of fighting. But the end was nice. We watched movies, were intimate, healing our wounds. She told me she fell out of love during that trip and stayed with me because she had no other choice.. when I bought her FF, I bought our breakup. 😓 (For context, she is extremely antisocial and did not talk to anyone but me until I made her join the FC) Moral of the story.. dating in FFXIV is not worth it. It's a mess
Panthra I s2g I have a story brewing for you. I drunkenly ERP’d with this guy months ago (it was chill, I just wanted to try it out and it wasn’t for me) and we somehow ended up in the same FC. Now he’s getting bonded and his wife asked me to be their in game child.
OP didn’t only wanted an ingame relationship? Kap. One does not simply feel a “clitoral throb”, get jealous, and even cry about missing out on a relationship that was only ingame deep.
My FC leader seemed great, we as a "council" all did so much work to keep it together, then they banned everyone who called them out as an ableist misogynistic piece of shit. Leader did next to nothing for all the weekly events and sucked at it when they did attend. Turrible.
Sounds like poor Pete got screwed over by everyone. Kicked for the dumbest possible reason I've ever heard of in my life. Then he was deluded enough to think this storyteller girl gave a crap about him when she was only using him to fill an emotional hole while pining over some other idiot. Everyone in this story is cringe for not being upfront and honest with each other and I'm glad there is no happy ending for any of these manipulative scumbags.
100%
Scumbag? UA-cam support would like to talk to you.
I find the detail about how OP only wanted an in-game relationship odd. Like, so what if they were in a relationship IRL? But still had an in-game relationship? To some people that’s probably considered cheating. Idk if you’re gonna put effort into any kind of relationship why does it have to be limited to a specific thing like a game? 🤷🏻♀️
@@dc-13258 I wouldn't be surprised if there was a third unnamed guy potentially getting screwed by her either. Dude is probably blissfully unaware of certain throbbing going on towards another man's voice.
To me this is just a bunch of nonsensical e-girl drama. Enroll in college. If your hillbilly dad and friends hammered it into your mind that college is a waste with the "student loan speech," then get a job, go to work, and climb your hardware store ladder. Do something with your life. You will never be Japanese. You will never find the love of your life in Japan. Asian culture doesn't think like you at all. You will never be the protagonist in an anime. You will never have God and anime on your side. You will always be a normal everyday loser.
"Clitoral throb" was not what I excepted to hear today
LMAO
This FC seems a bit toxic 😭
Why do I feel like Pete was the realest member there
Honestly, I feel like that entire FC needs to touch grass? Idk that's just what I feel listening to this story
But the thing with Pete really did annoy me the most. A guy stole millions from the FC, an FC member rightfully calls them a scumbag, and the FC member is called out? Not the thief? I'd be patting Pete on the back for that, and if I were OP, I would have left with Pete
As would any normal person. But OP is only in it for those clitoral throbs.
Bro all these 14 players need to touch grass let’s be real I swear 14 players are some of the most terminally online people I ever met 😂
I agree about the touch grass thing. At first I was like, okay is this some role play stuff or something and the cringe that befell upon me when i realized these are just really...really....REALLY invested in the game people. LOL
Apparently calling someone a scumbag for doing scumbag things is a good enough reason to kick him out of the fc. Ngl the storyteller is like a bad friend for this lmfao.
This story really irritated me lol.
It seems to me like OP probably mentioned they don't want an IRL relationship, so Phoenix started looking for a new potential IRL girlfriend and didn't want to "waste time" getting more feelings for OP. But I find it weird that OP was so devastated that Phoenix started growing distant if they didn't want to be in an IRL relationship anyways?? Like you can't expect someone to give up hours of their life to flirt and hang out and voice chat with you in-game, but never act on it in real life. I don't blame Phoenix for preferring something "real", which is what Slothgirl was offering (until they broke up). It's kind of sad though that he seemed so desperate to start an IRL relationship from an in-game connection, to the point of speed-dating all these different women until something worked.
My day was ruined when I got home, opened my inbox and was met with a message that just said “scumbag”. Literally shaking and crying rn. Just awful. I’ve already alerted the authorities on this harasser. 😤
Gonna need more quality drama vids like this one from you Pathra if I am ever gonna get myself out of this rut. Thx
As someone who actually had a bad day from a bully coworker , this made me smile lol.
I wouldnt be surprised if this Pete wasnt the most liked person in the FC... Sounds to me like they use this supposed "harrassment" situation to get rid of him... Whether it was deserved or not I cant tell but it sounds fishy. Difficult situation to be in, thats for sure...
to me it sounds like one of those overly family friendly FC's where swearing is like the biggest sin you could commit, OP even said that pete "showed his true colors" by sending that moogle mail which is just insane
Overly family friendly fc's have always been a massive red flag to me, they tend to be very passively aggressive and toxic
She should’ve kept this story she embarrassed herself. She’s desperate, used Pete, didn’t have his back as his wife, and still desperate for the fc leader she was never even dating. She needs to touch grass this is pathetic
Stahp she's already ded xD
OP FFXIV Diary Entry #1
"Anyways so I'm omw to marriage number 5, not with Phoenix of course. Husband number 5 is Phoenix's BFF and also an Officer in our FC. I'm slowly working my way back to Phoenix, I know it will work out in the end. I only really have one tiny issue. I still havent figured out what Im going to do about that shy sloth but I know Ill figure it out. He is the Jack to my Rose, and his end game is to die in freezing water holding my hand while I lay on a board that easily could have fit both of us. We're meant to be, he is my star crossed lover, my twin flame, my soul mate!"
she sounds obsessive ngl and its kinda creepy
people need to stop immediately developing a crush on anyone who gives them the slightest amount of attention online and is nice 😐it's so childish and the fact that those are presumably adults is kinda embarrassing lol
Its because this story is either fake or from a severely mentally disturbed person
after hearing how Pete got booted, I'd leave the FC honestly
but I guess back in my early days of FF, being in my first couple FCs, I thought it was my "forever home". I too would try to recruit, organize FC stuff, and all that jazz with the airship, crafting, decorations, etc. So I can understand for the OP wanting to stay early on since it sounds like she felt a strong connection of "forever home" with them with everything she's provided and done. good luck to the OP, but that FC sounds like a mess LOL
Dude got kicked for calling a thief a scumbag 🤦🏻♂️
sounds like he dodged a bullet with these people anyways.
Sounds just like those politicians, they want the thieves free roaming
Yeah very silly reason. Poor Pete.
Nah I think it was just an excuse to get him kicked out for stealing his girl (Phoenix) Bro had it out for him.
"clitoral throb" such a staple in this story XD
How can anyone get feelings online from someone they have never met because someone calls you lady in text...laid on the bed etc. This is so...dumb. I just can't compute how it's possible
phoenix was pretty bad if you ask me people are goofy online and you have to set boundaries right away let people know your intentions, and sometimes even that is not enough, the hot to cold he did on her was pretty stupid. also his fc from the posters perspective was in ruins; so you are gone for a week and your fc falls apart sounds bad, If I were to disappear tmr my 2nd in command would easily take over for me and if he could not the 3rd would lol.
the fact that they would kick Pete over calling the FC chest raider a scumbag is amusing to me, dude was loyal to his FC and he said the quiet part out loud if you didn't like pete should have let that be known out the gate, and kicking people from the FC is not an officers choice it's on the FC leader.
Pete is the type that I would allow into my fc and I'd make his ass an officer after a few months.
OP loses all sympathy from me because of how she did Pete alone; didn't want to get married but did anyway, didn't stand up for him after the obvious BS happened from the pencil thin Fc, proceeded to be annoyed and awkward with Pete after the fact because the same fc was being weird, like she has no thoughts or choices of her own. Op is a wallflower, let stuff they don't like happen and then get annoyed after the fact, and your fc is gonna have more drama in the future enjoy that.
Calling someone a scumbag's a kickable offense in an ff14 FC?! Sheeeesh. I was expecting something a bit more offensive tbh.
Well, in ToS, yes, its an offence. And Pete wasnt every subtle by writing it out in ingame mail, meaning the other dude couldve reported him to SE... but what the FC did is... bs, imo at least... Even if Pete had gotten a ban or suspention, the FC should've had his back...
Yeah you can troll people and ruin their gameplay experience to get them to say something mean to you in chat and then report them and they will get a strike on their account.
I've seen people do it a few times.
It's a really shtty system they have ingame.
@@markup6394I agree, it's SE and GMs job to give him a telling off, I don't understand why the FC thought they should take action when what he had was valid anger, and you'd expect other FC members to share the same sentiment :\
Ahhh, husbando and I got our morning coffee, breakfast in bed ready, and now ready to watch the latest drama. Good Saturday :)
Oh my! But you just know that this kind of story happens a lot in this game! I've heard and seen enough to know that and it makes me cry a little. It seems that no matter where we are, we're all seeking a companion on this journey of life.
Not just this game...
But the guy who took the onions WAS a scumbag! 😎
I know slothgirl from other mmos. She gets around.
These FC's need to start hiring me as like, a moral consultant or something, homie should not have been kicked for something as small as that, kinda goofy.
I get where Phoenix was coming from, I've been really close to someone who felt like they liked me, but it turned out that we just had a platonic relationship which I found out from asking them if they liked me because I told them I liked them also, but yeah that's where I learnt that we are just really close friends.
I'm ok with that! I never let things ruin a friendship.
But of course, I feel like the whole thing of them being alone together in apartment and that, really should've been obvious.
I mean, there is appreciating a good voice and then there is a voice causing "clitoral throbbing" I don't know how relatable that is to most people
the bed part reminds me of how I fell in love with my husband XD
I helped him with some stuff in game and added him as a friend, talked everyday. I just AFKed and never logged out so I was parked in a city (it wasn't FF14) one day I woke up to him sitting next to me and I got really flustered, hahaha. The rest is history, eventually meet in real life, marry, kids.
My boy Pete got done dirty
I feel like this all would have been solved if op had communicated her feelings towards the fc leader instead of immediately rebounding to another guy once she saw him becoming distant.
🧘♀ THE QUEEN HAS UPLOADED
TIME TO GET COFFEE AND ENJOY THIS VIDEO WHILE DOING ROULETTES
7:19 a WHAT?!? 😂
Justice for Pete man
OP is the villain in this story, selfish, Gee I wonder why 4 marriages 😂
Ngl sometimes I feel like ppl just write fanfictions
yeah or they exaggerate their stories xD
If pete was kicked cause of saying only scumbag (which the dude was), then that fc is a bunch of snowflakes lmao
That's like 90% of the FF14 sadly. This is easily one of the softest "weakest" communities i've ever seen in a MMO.
@@diasflac0g Yet also the most wildly degenerate and toxic at times. Its a very strange mix.
@@diasflac0g thats pve games
Omg this thing with the voice, I've felt the same when I met my actual IRL partner x) We met on FF a year and a half ago and woooooo, ZE voice. It charmed me instantly. And today we live together, got a house, a dog and a cat and we are more than happy to build a life together :3
These people are playing a whole different game. I'm over here collecting virtual currencies and they are having affairs, marrying and divorcing 4 times, getting banned, stealing onions. May my FF14 gameplay NEVER be this interesting.
Some play an epic fantasy with in-depth lore, others a telenovela, talk about broad gameplay experience!
This shows how lonely ff players are.the red flag is this was her 4th in game marriage,wtf!im new and my fc leader tried modding my character in erp mods with out permission and was very persistent with me from the moment he met.its the biggest fc on the manduin server and alot of those player are level 99 players who left old worlds and now wanna run and try to groom new players
Yeah there are some FF players who are completely degenerate af. I once was in a raid group and found out the raid lead would use ERP mods to watch us be naked during our runs. And then I knew a few guys who always had a new FF girlfriend every week and drama. Man, people need to touch grass.
But...the current lvl cap is 90, not 99
@@pyroflare7774u know what I mean lol im so used to lvl 99 in games lmao.but the point im saying is level 90 players are the worst types because they tend to stop playing the game and helping people and they start grooming people into erp and thier drama.im a new player and I thought limsa dwellers were the people u make friends with but it turns out u stay away from them.any drama I've had,which is nutz a new player has drama on a dead server manduin.one dude was stalling me and told me that he had left his prior server after one of his marriages failed.like "one" of his marriages lmao.its likes 70 % of this community isn't even playing the game.its such a turn off not knowing what some1s motives are.maybe once but I've had at least 6 friends get wierd after they learn I dont wanna erp.the help wasnt help,it was grooming.once they saw I didn't wanna sit in thier laps and stand around all day,we weren't friends.should lvl 90 players be helping people thru the game,not standing in limsa?
@@Miketationthe leader of the biggest fc on manduin grooms new players.i was in gradania and I get a tell "I like ur name" turns out he does that to everyone pretty character.a week later takes me to balhmont,i to check out the scene. About two weeks go by I say is there anything I can do to help fc,he says oh there's something u can do.i literally say no erp.he says "ok,actually can u help me with a mod" I'm on ps5 no clue what he wants.when I get there he ask me to lay in the bed and change postitions,its helping him create a mod.when I sat in the bed I question him "this is a mod".the moment he said i was sitting on his bed different from my screen I jumped up and left,after telling him I dont want to be in erp pics.i sent him a message and reported him but he's still there doing same thing,cause I changed my name and race about amounts after leaving the fc.a few days ago he comes up to me not knowing who I was and says " I like ur name" I have photos saved and everything.im gonna send this story to her
It goes deeper,he was telling me to trust him and all this stuff,next day I finally log into our discord and see a crazy erp section with toons doing 3 somes and all types of gross crap.i sent him a letter saying " I hope I didn't do anything like that to my character,I felt disrespected" he said sorry.im new,if u could see the screenshots,cause ps5 allows u to record and take photos u would be like wtf.the report system is completely broken.how can some1 do that and not be banned.reporting doesn't allow u to send pics,its literally useless.imagine if that happened to a teenager smh.these people are freaks
man typical FFXIV FC i met. Bunch of snowflakes that get easily offended and react stupidly.
Still watching the vid, but I fell for my FC leader and we have been happily together for 2 years and live together :)
That is the reason why we have a private FC with my mom and sister. Kinda too afraid to play with others... But I like watching these stories to see that side of FFXIV. Great vid!
me
As much as I love my FC, I don’t want to be an FC leader anymore. There’s just too much drama at risk and I ain’t got time for that. I’ve had my fair share in the past and I’m over that life lol.
Omg I was smiling from ear to ear. This was a great story 😂
Ngl the OP was kinda cray cray. Falling for the fc lead, randomly decorating his home without his knowledge , getting jealous when she chose to move on , 1000% used the poor Pete dude …. She was a sheeeesh
this story was fuckin hilarious tbh LOL
Lmao 🤣🤣🤣
OP originally left Pheonix and Pheonix didn't chase her, OP then mad. go figure.
Falling for a human player is the most embarrassing thing about the story
how very racist!
lol @@ryano4784
still better than falling for a lalafell DX
When a man says "you gotta do what you gotta do" it 90% of the time means they have something they want to tell you, but are not yet in a point they feel ok to do so. Usually are unsure about the feelings they have especially when it's a videogame.
At least that's my take on that part.
That... or they simply know it would be a losing battle.
HM I wonder if Pheonix misunderstood OP's intentions/feelings and got jealous when OP got with Pete. maybe got with the shy girl to make OP jealous and saw an opportunity to get rid of Pete by overblowing the "scumbag" thing and convinced everyone that was the move. that's the only reason I can think someone would be super duper upset at the "scumbag" thing more than the literal stealing of FC items?? I would expect they'd be on Pete's side like "yeah who cares he called him a scumbag he took all our stuff!" but some reason there's none of that. OP is funny af this was entertaining for sure
I was harassed by an FC leader when I started the game because I wouldnt change my characters gender.. Then it turned into messages about leaving my husband. This is what I get for joining their discord and sharing details about myself I probably shouldnt have, but I was excited to be apart of a small group of like minded people. Boy was I wrong. I run my own FC now......
I was just checking if there was a new video earlier, perfect timing :D
.....lol... I cannot with this. He should've been clearer with the OP, tbh. You can flirt. You can do whatever the hey you want but draw the lines when you start spending a lot of time together to establish it's a friendship, not a relationship.
It was a frustrating story to hear but I also get it. I’ve been in these situations where you fall for the person but not wanting them in real life, but you enjoy them being with you in game. So it’s relatable and sucks that it happens. Especially when you see the person flirting it up in front of you. Love this kind of content, hope to hear more!
Crazy people. I've run my own Fc for 10+ years and never had anything like this. Sadly Phoenix used her as the shiny new toy so kept her close til the shine wore off and never put a ring on it, but her whole attitude to Pete is so odd to me The poor scumbag wasn't a scumbag at all, he was well within his rights to be unhappy, the thief needed kicking, theft isn't a normal thing to accept. She them claims she felt uncomfortable when he came near her after, well so she should, he was unfairly kicked and she let that happen (guilty conscience). FC ranks are nothing, friends are everything, she isn't a worthy friend and I definitely wouldn't want her in my FC and on a final note - People need to set permissions correctly for chest access, this stops theft.
side note: her name was tiffany, sloth girl was a nickname bestowed upon her. also this video should be called "everyone in my fc has communication issues, including me" lol
So they care more about a member calling the x-member that STOLE and ditched the FC an a-hole than that guy blatantly using the FC? big yikes
30:00 oh my...tbh im kinda the same as the person who's intersted and then not and then again.
In terms of voices, there are more are some nice voice but most important is that the voice doesnt annoy you :x
I wonder how people can live through so much drama then I realize I fell for someone in the game that was probably a scammer (a strange story about the guy finding work at an embassy and wanted to confirm my identity...)
So yeah..
I don’t follow but watch your FFXIV story’s but you kill it on singing love your stuff homie
Aww appreciate it! It's a bit of a running joke since a couple of stories have made me sing now!
I'm obsessed with these videos
Excellent read, was a pretty funny story. Online relationships are cute and fun but also full of deceit, meaningless squabbles, and delay you from growing in real life. Be careful out there.
This, so much this. It takes time to get to know someone IRL let alone in an online environment where people only let you see what they want you to see. You truly don't know who those people behind the characters are; sure sometimes they turn out to be a really great match and you find a real partner or a true friend, but it's RARE relative to the number of relationships and friendships that fail within just a few weeks.
@@rakistar1569 All I gotta say is I'm jealous and will always be of people finding each other online and those whose relationships stay.
I am so going to be listening to ALL the stories over the next several days 😂
I've been on the receiving end of raid logging and it sucks. You get excited when people suddenly log on and start chatting, for them to be silent after starting as they need to concentrate.
I now raid log because honestly raid sucks a lot of energy out of me. Luckily our FC is quiet since a lot of people quit the game so it didn't matter. But I actually find it easier to play on my alt to do socialising than on my main now which is weird 😅
FF seems to have alot of eternally online players. I kinda wanna start playing 😂 i need a good game to escape to
No reason not to try and honestly if you make sure not to join one of these degenerate FCs it can really transcend to more than just an escape. Normal FCs are equally social and beyond without all the eternally online weirdness of this story. My FC leader met her partner through the game a couple of expacs ago and just recently got married IRL. I've lost count of how many couples I know who met through the game as well as how many IRL meetups the FC has done now. If there's any game in which you'll meet potential partners and lifelong friends its FFXIV.
@@EmpyreanDreamer not what I was refering too, but I always enjoy the social aspect of mmorpg's. I was a heavy runescape player like a decade ago lol. Mainly vefriending higher level players and gawking at their gear. Those were some of my favorite memories 😅
Need more of this teaa, i love this content!!
It reminded me of how i met a guy in an online game and we start seeing each other irl xD
Wow, so much drama lol. I’m so oblivious when I play. I’m one of those solo players that joins the first FC that reaches out to me, then totally forget I’m in one and just do my questing lol. I didn’t even know about night clubs until recently. Apparently I don’t MMO correctly 😂😂
I never understood FCs that try to act like theyre some kind of publically traded organization. So what if he called someone a scumbag, is there some kind of Hyur Resources Department thats forcing you to kick him out of fear of a lawsuit? Thats stupid.
Was it confirmed that Phoenix, Slothgirl, and Ocean were separate people?
i wonder too!
I feel she used pete for revenge and him getting pete was bs, and the FC leader hot take was never into her. Soo poor one out for pete cause he got screwed here
1:47 Ironically I don't raid with my fc, coz they don't really raid. And I actually feel pretty disconnected from my FC XD. Do speak now and then and help people queue, but I feel like most of the people in there don't know who I am even though I been in the FC for like 4 years. You could say im like an alternate version of this person XD, I didn't fall for my FC leader though I do love her as a friend.
Should prolly find a new fc
Wow I didn't know stuff like this happens in game.
Its just the tip of the iceberg ^^°
I sounds like he only did all he did to get a gf and nothing else lmao really sad to see an fc leader use their own platform as a tinder
Finally!One drama in this game that actually makes sense...
I will never ever ever understand FFXIV dating. I only have a couple friends who do it, and they only have nightmare stories to share, like nothing good comes out of their dating histories lol
While having the marriage system is nice in FF14 if it were me I would not look for a real life relationship in the game. It sounds like a path that more often that not is going to fail. A lot of people just look at this as a game and may just want the fancy chocobo that comes with the marriage.
youd be surpised, majority of my FC mates are LDR couples no joke
I'm more into it for RP reasons, just nice to have kind of a "best friend" in game, most relationships fail anyways so might as well try it with person met ingame XD
@@luja5546they aren't irl couples because they never meet.these people are lonely.its not love when ur desperate and the 1st person who says hi u love no matter who it is
@@holy9781 yea true to an extent. However some of them have met just havent made the move yet
As a male I too get a clitoral throb after hearing a good female voice
I'm curious, which DC have the most dramatic moments like this? So far I've only played on EU ones and nothing happened to me like how people describe their stories..maybe bc I was playing a fem midlander lmao
I know the feeling: I stand around in Limsa with my bun-girl and nothing weird happens. Its almost disappointing XD
Phoenix had unspoken rizz i wish i was in his position i talk to a ton of girls on here it just doesn't click it's kinda sad ngl i seek a companion that's a woman not a man this story got me jealous. Phoenix seems to be the type to rush things OP wouldn't have minded if it led to a potential irl relationship but he was so hesitant to force a irl thing and that's not how things work you know such a travesty to both of them seemed like something out of a Manga when they were laying down and venting to each other so cutee ❤
NGL kinda mad at the OP for just abandoning Pete when he got booted from the FC for no reason. He deserved better. also the OP was kinda creepy and ngl kinda came across as a creeper with redecorating his house and the ...throb etc etc...
☕️ Oh this one is gunna be a good one
You knew they were lost when they ranted about the voice. I think a lot of drama would not happen if people would stop assuming what others think. We have this beautiful ability to communicate, so lets just do that and talk instead of assuming what others think. Unless yall can read minds. Then please go ahead.
I'm so done with big FCs, I been in few of them. Finally I have my own FC, with just my main and alts only. I get when ur new, u need to be in a active FCs, with alot of people to help u out. Once u become a veteran, can go ur own way.
Listen, I spend a lot of time online and in games, but even I'm not THIS terminally online...
I personally think it was a manipulative tactic that FC leader was trying to pull on OP by saying he thought she wasn't interested in him anymore after he started being distant with her first. I'm glad OP didn't fall for it and seemed like they still went their separate ways because to be honest I think that guy was a scumbag himself and allowed too much toxicity to happen in that FC. As a guild leader for Guild Wars 2 I've never allowed any kind of behavior like that. Our guild is super small now with a select few members who still get into the VC sometimes, usually anyone new who joins only stays for like a day and then never comes back which could be due to the fact that we just aren't really an active guild anymore but we still like to help new players (or at least I do) with anything they might need help with and our discord has tons of great info that is useful for new players trying to learn what to do in the game and what certain items are for. I ran the guild with my husband so it was definitely a joint effort and still a pleasant one I think. We did have a couple weirdos come and go through the years but luckily the guild saw through their toxic personalities and didn't put up with that crap either and backed my decisions to kick them from the guild and block them from the discord. Sometimes you gotta make hard decisions but it's for the sake of the comfort of the rest of the guild in order to have a comfortable chill group. and to Pete, you're totally welcome in our guild any time bro. 😆👍
Ngl I like certain voices too. I WOULD NOT SAY i felt that "clitoral throb" with all of them. I just have sensitive ears/hearing so some people I just feel comfort from their voice.
Kudos to OP to say clitoral throb in this story 😂😂 that takes a lotta guts!
for a MMORPG where ppl love drama so much they sure are afraid of the tiniest bit of conflict. like pick a struggle lmao
Pete deserved better
Poor Pete.
Ahhhh the weddings in the same week lmao. I had asked someone in the game to marry me and then another lady - who probably had a huge crush on him too - immediately asked someone else to marry her. (Not obvious at all.) I attended her wedding. I was left at the alter at my wedding. xD The Final Fantasy drama!!
I'm guessing names are chosen to be vague, but with everyone having cool names, being called Pete shows how little the OP thought of him.
People in this story need to get a reality check because game life isnt real life like omfg 💀
I only raid so hearing about fc drama is craaaaazy interesting
They were waiting for Pete to "slip" as an excuse to kick him, they probably had it out for him.
I like pete. Op however is a spineless worm.
Oh man, I got some FFXIV drama 😂 Still fresh and ongoing but long story short, I wanted to spend more time with my long distance girlfriend of 10 years (whom I continuously would fly out to see her or her to see me and asked her a few times to move in with me but she couldn't. She had to take care of her elderly parents and I'm in Uni so I couldn't move there) So, since she liked Sword art online and I played FF and knew the theme is the same and so she'd like it, I bought her a Ps4, mouse and keyboard gaming set up, the game and all expansions as well as a 1 yr subscription.. not even a couple months in, I find out she was cheating on me with the ENTIRE FC. So I left the FC and the game, deleted discord and got into a conversation with her about our future. We broke up and decided to stay friends. You don't abandon 10 years of love easily.. so fast forward like a year.. I'm still technically waiting for her because she said she was never gonna date again. One day, she buys me a subscription for FF and we start playing together again. Eventually, I moved servers to be in the same FC and we're as close as ever. But she changed to be a fem bun, and started getting LOTS of attention for it. There was this guy who she said was stalking her and it made her uncomfortable so she wanted me to pretend we're still dating to get him to back off. At first me and him actually became friends, but he started to get jealous and started treating me badly and one night we were running PoTD. He was being extremely rude and toxic to me and she would be on the phone with HIM, and took his side. So I left the party and unfriended him, told her that wasn't cool and we moved on. Suddenly, she is spending ALL her time with him, on the phone with him all the time, talking to him or about him all the time. So I'm feeling jealous of him already when she announces to me she is already in a serious relationship with someone (literally a week after trying to be intimate with me and i turned her down to protect my feelings) and that he wants to meet me. I say hell no and that's that. So now I'm dealing with the fact that she has a bf suddenly and she is putting a stranger she doesn't even like over me as a friend after 10 freaking yrs. I decided to confront her about my feelings and she was talking to me that fake way you talk to acquaintances. So I dig deeper and ask why we broke up, really. Why did she fall out of love with me before she cheated? Her answer? We had a pretty rough trip to LA a year before we broke up that led into a bit of fighting. But the end was nice. We watched movies, were intimate, healing our wounds. She told me she fell out of love during that trip and stayed with me because she had no other choice.. when I bought her FF, I bought our breakup. 😓 (For context, she is extremely antisocial and did not talk to anyone but me until I made her join the FC)
Moral of the story.. dating in FFXIV is not worth it. It's a mess
She is a whole garbage can, just block and move on
Oh man, that's pretty rough. I hope you are better by now!
As someone who does not participate in roleplay this sounds like a fever dream lmao
Panthra I s2g I have a story brewing for you. I drunkenly ERP’d with this guy months ago (it was chill, I just wanted to try it out and it wasn’t for me) and we somehow ended up in the same FC. Now he’s getting bonded and his wife asked me to be their in game child.
OP didn’t only wanted an ingame relationship? Kap. One does not simply feel a “clitoral throb”, get jealous, and even cry about missing out on a relationship that was only ingame deep.
"he had good DPS, I will give him that:.. 🤣. This is why I like to parse .
I don't understand why op wanted an in-game relationship but was down bad for stuff like the guy's voice
I feel like going back FF14 online and finishing the Main Story but I have no money.
My FC leader seemed great, we as a "council" all did so much work to keep it together, then they banned everyone who called them out as an ableist misogynistic piece of shit. Leader did next to nothing for all the weekly events and sucked at it when they did attend. Turrible.
The moment he said You gotta do what you gotta do it should've been a red flag and not the kind that makes you think Oooh there's a carnival~