Why top wrap strings on Les Paul and SG tailpieces?
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- A discussion of why some players top-wrap their strings over Les Paul and SG tailpieces. Keep in mind that what is being described here is NOT due to string length. You can experience the increase in playability that top-wrapping affords you by simply raising the tailpiece quite a bit. Many prefer to keep the tailpiece lower and top-wrap instead. You get the same effect either way.
I dont hear a difference but I feel a difference. top wrap feels more slinky imho.
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You are right! Gibson actually has a much too steep angle at the headstock too. Which is not so easy to fix, but you can get the angle less steep by mounting longer tuners at the end, and then shorter towards the nut. It's a question of hitting that sweetspot between tone and playability. Good luck.
I top wrap....when you raise the tailpiece, the tailpiece screws sit high and for me they dig into my wrist as I rest the heal of my hand on the bridge as an anchor point.
Just my preference
Guitar guts, what I was trying to relay, is that because the ManMade wraparound's design is basically a tailpiece and bridge combined, you're not dealing with the extra string length that normally runs in between the saddles - to the tailpiece in an ABR or Tune-omatic type of bridge. And because the strings come directly out of the back end of the wraparound, ALL the energy in the strings is transferred between only 2 contact points, nut to wraparound, NOT nut, bridge, then TP. And less is more, in my opinion.
NOT having that extra string length doesn't change the scale length, or the actual "string length", but it definitely changes the feel of the strings, how much energy they have, how much "give" they have, and how they oscillate - that "elliptical" effect. It also helps that the studs on wraparound bridges are MASSIVE, larger diameter, and if that wraparound's bridge studs are cinched ALL the way down to the guitar's top, you have much better coupling. A lot of guys even swear that WHAT the studs and bridge are made of changes the feel, tone.
What some people don't realize when they say "just raise the TP on your guitar" - to approximate a less steep string break angle from the TP to the saddles, is that raising the TP high enough to have almost no break angle removes all of that great coupling.
I just find the feel and energy in the strings with wraparound bridges to be "better" to me, than an ABR or Tune-omatic with a TP. There are techs who've done videos on you tube, who bitch about how the "stock" setup that comes from Gibson, sometimes borders on absurd. The TP being jacked up so high in order to compensate for the neck joint angle. In this case, you loose all the coupling of the TP studs to the body.
To me then, it makes more sense to top wrap, strings OVER the top of the TP, to the bridge. That way you can still have the TP anchored all the way down, and still have a lessened break angle. It's the best of both worlds. If you can, try to play a guitar with a wraparound - a good one, like a Gibson, or even a Godin.
Ever notice how certain topics make the guitar world split down the middle and turn and attack the opposing side?
Do a tonewood video lol!!!!
The reason for the split is that guitar players think they understand the guitar, but 99% have no idea how it works. If you want to know how it works, ask the people who build them.
Its called "opinion wars"
It's called "physics"; some people understand physics and some do not.
@@Rick-uu5yo the "physics of it is, the higher that tail pc the more lateral stress on its sleeves in the wood..however...they can handle it
@@johncartelli Opinions are subjective; physics is not.
I trust my own fingers, 35 years of playing experience, and time spent personally experimenting with adjusting tailpiece heights and seeing what difference it makes more than any one commenting here about engineering or physics, guitars with the strings close to level from tailpiece to bridge feel noticeably slinkier and easier to bend than ones with a sharp angle from tailpiece to bridge. The string length will also change as the tailpiece is raised or lowered since the shortest distance is always a straight line.
So playability better but what about sound. Tone and sustain? If its easier to bend and more slinky like you suggest i imagine you would lose some of that bulky tone and long sustain. Just wondering further thoughts.
Look.... You buy another Gibson brand tailpiece for $19.95, use it to experiment weather you like top-wrapping. If it's not you're bag, and you want to put it back (unmolested) to original, PRESTO! Next subject....
My thoughts exactly.
Why buy anorher . Cant he just top wrap next string change
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Exactly what I did. Still top wrapped but, I have the original stop tail that is perfect.
I top wrap because I don't like my tail piece up in the air. Top wrap and its screwed down to the body while keeping a good action. Its especially necessary with heavier strings I find. Unless you think having your tail piece 1.5+ inches up on the threads looks good or sounds good. :) Protip: if you top wrap clip the ball ends off an old set of strings and thread them on the new set before you install them - it will ensure your strings break cleanly over the tailpiece.
Duane Allman top wrapped his strings. 👍
Duane was irrelevant
I just changed my strings on the LP, but next week I'm gonna try this when I change them again. My luthier set the axe up with the TP tight to the body. It does give more sustain because of more body contact area, especially with the old vintage. But the angle is very steep, like 30 degrees. So I can keep it screwed down all the way, but reduce the angle. And probably reduce risk of string breakage as well. Been playing over 45 yrs, and never tried this yet!
I top wrap every set of strings. I play lead which I personally think is a huge element when considering top wrapping. If you're someone who hits a lot of bends often then its so comfortable. My gold top stays in tune wonderfully despite all these mathematics nutballs dogging it. You're talking about the tiniest amount of change, most people wont recognize, seasoned guitarist wont even notice. Try it out for one set of string if you play lead it wont fuck up your bridge after one try. I swear i get better sustain now also. who knows man. theres only one true rule to music, if it sounds good, it is good.
Absolutely I agree 100%
I've also read that some folks will wrap the wound strings normally and the unwound strings (typically G B e) over the top.
Some of us prefer the toilet tissue to come from the top (front) and others from the rear (back...) physics anyone.
You can visually find the end easier when it comes from the top (front). This "wrapping" thing is bullshit tho.
Definitely the top . When pulling cable you always pull from the top!
And Randy doesn't use it at all
@@pickettmandi ......the back eliminates the wasted space AND allows you to see how much paper's left.
@@ronyeahright9536 it's easier to rip when it comes from the back though
So I'm a bit late on this comment. By top wrapping, you are causing the string tension to push down on the tail. With standard stringing, the strings are pulling up on it. Pushing down, give a bit more to the sound. In my opinion. A greater break angle is a good thing...transfers more energy into the body. So, it's a matter of preference.
Great video. Thanks for the time and hard work.
When Gibson first released the Les Paul with the stop tai. In the catalog they show pic's of the Les Paul top wrapped but also have a pic with the strings going straight through. So I think Les Paul had designed it to work either way. So it has always been up to the player to top wrap or not. I am like you I have some guitars that seem to work better top wrapped and some that seem to work better with the strings going straight through the stop tail. Great video.
Hi ,just my 2¢ you may want to look into a product called tone lock post what it does is lock that tail flat without a pitch that happens when the string is pulled over the top.you use the original part just change the post it comes in standard and metric so you don't drill out the post holders. these are also great one piece stop bridges like the ones on PRS and early Gibson.
"Try wrapping your strings over the tail piece like I do.... on One Third of my guitars!"
Actually the first stopbars on Les Pauls in 1954 were wrap around. Before the compensated bridge was added.
Lets be clear about something. Top wrapping, standard wrapping, or bottom wrapping (which no one does), will effect your attack and how percussive it is. One reason a lot of Fenders are more snappy is not just the single coil pups, but the break angle behind the saddle (flat top and bolt neck also contribute). These Fenders are STRING THROUGH BODY, so extremely high break angle at the bridge, even on a floating trem. It contributes A LOT to the plucky attack. There is also a lot more string length behind the bridge. It is similar in feel to if you bottom-wrapped your Gibson. Also, people have been known to top wrap to clear the back of the Nashville bridge. This is completely unneccesary and if you top wrap, you should only do it to soften the attack or loosen the playing feel. I encourage you to experiment with all 3 (top,standard, bottom) and to see how it feels when you wrap the low strings standard and the high strings top wrapped, because your low strings are looser tension than your high strings. IMO, this guy is not covering the subject nearly in depth enough to be making videos on it.
its all to do with string tension, you could replace your two epiphone bridges with much better ones (normaly the thinner posts with no screw heads or saddle retainer) from ebay for $10-$15 and then top wrap the tailpieces and you'll never look back again!
During an over-wrap set-up, putting the ball end of an old string on the new string as it is being slid into the front of the Stop-Tail will reduce string breakage. And to the author of the video:Anyone that will not buy an 'SG' or thinks over-wrapping reduces the 'SG's value in any way, doesn't deserve the guitar and I wouldn't sell it to that person. NO WAY !
Simple solution: buy another tailpiece and top wrap with it, save the original "just in case". Although I wouldn't sell my 2017 Standard anyway, so moot point.
Hi, I'm a musician. My comment is about physics. By tuning up a string you apply a force, this force has a direction, from the tailpiece to the headstock, this force is called vector. When you put a bridge in between something can change. If there's no angle between the bridge and the tailpiece nothing has changed cause the force direction doesn't change but if you increase di angle the vector changes. At this point if you want to have the same tension You have to apply an higher force to the string. This is why when you have a greater angle between the tailpiece and the bridge it's harder to bend up the strings. Lot of vintage tune-o-matic bridges have lost the curvature in the years, so the D and G strings are closer to the fretboard than others. I think is better don't buy vintage tune-o-matic bridges. Hope my comment can help someone. Regards
Tried it on my SG and could tell no difference in sound or feel. But it confuses people that are unfamiliar with it, so that's enough to keep it. That and I don't see why it needs changed if there is no difference.
Can't help but notice the torque on the SG stop bar, I imagine over time that would cause wear & then problems
Overwrapping will also relieve some of the stress on the bridge. Tune-a-matic bridges often begin to collapse after time and one way to prevent this is to overwrap just as described here. I used an aftermarket stop tailpiece and cut string guide slots up and around the back and top, then polished them to a mirror finish to prevent string breakage and it's been good to go ever since. The original STP lives in the case now.
Just tried it with a Les Paul and I must say, it really has some remarkably effects to feel and tone. Strings do really feel more "soft" and bend easier. Tuning is crappy at first as there seems to be some more space for a new string that needs to tighten up before the string really stays in tune. But after some hours of playing it stays in tune much better on all strings. Sustain also increased a lot. I double checked this with a second LP style guitar, which I modified afterwards. The cons are: Theres a quite sharp angle of the string at the rear side where it comes out of the stop piece - I'm not so sure if this is good, although it is often mentioned that "wrapping" would reduce string break risk. It also bends over the sharp, "twisted" end of the string that fixes it to the ball, which doesnt look so comfortably. Second is the hard tuning at first. Took me a lot more time to get the strings ready to play.
If you want to have a softer break angle simply raise the tail piece and add a shim washer to make up the distance of the raised post. Now you can tighten the tail piece fully down tight and still have the gentle break angle. There is no need to muck up the tail piece with over wrapping the strings.
Just don't buy a gibson in the first place. when you spend 2500 to 4000 dollars you shouldn't have these problems.
Nah...'Gibson bashing' as you call it, is fully justified. I have seen several 2000-3500 instruments suffer some of the same problems as a 200 dollar guitar, that's inexcusable and can't be explained away as 'nobody's perfect. I've seen unlevel frets and twisted necks on more gibson guitars than there should be. The fact is, they were bought out by a company who treats the Gibson name as an afterthought.
Also, the Gibson design on a les paul is flawed, but corrections are never well received by the 'traditionalists'. The neck angle has to be corrected, or use a scarf joint (which doesn't affect tone in any way), so the headstocks don't break so easily. THey have this impressive 'plek' machine, but if you think every guitar is put on this, you're fooling yourself. They are pretty much stuck with the trademark headstock with the weird string angles that cause tuning problems...the bottom line is...keep the old design to please your base, take shortcuts in production...but don't charge a price like its a perfect hand made instrument.
Buy an epiphone 60s tribute that comes with Gibson 57 pickups and switchcraft components for 699...or wait until they clear them out with a case for 450 like I got mine. Be happy.
In all fairness, look at some of my comments on here, I don't generally bash them. I have a friend with a music store...the number of quality control problems coming out of Gibson are ridiculous for guitars in this price range. He has to send a lot back.
I was speaking of Gibson in general, in response to the OP. I wasn't necessarily referring to the specifics of the video.
Krelbar, you sound like someone who doesn't know enough about guitars to find a Gibson on the used market for way less than sticker. Your friend works at a music store so don't you think your mindset is swayed? You can continue to be the Gibson snob type but until you buy a used Gibson and tailor it to your playing style, you probably shouldn't talk out your ass
The proper string angle between the bridge and tailstop is where the low E and High E strings angle down but don't hit the back side of the bridge. You want them just off the rear of the bridge. You don't want the strings resting on the back of the bridge or you're then causing 2 break angles and other issues. Seen a boatload of guitars when the tailpiece is screwed down all the way and the strings are resting on the back of the bridge.
I have a Firebird that is set up nice but the bridge is pretty high off the body and to maintain the proper angle to the tailpiece the tailpiece in turn has to high off the body so for that guitar it makes sense to wrap because of the issues mentioned in this video for the tailpiece being elevated. My Les Pauls and other similar guitars are not wrapped.
Does increasing the angle at the tailpiece increase the tension on the neck?
I have an older les Paul, and have been stringing it using the wrap around method with the tail piece all the way down for quite some time. All I have to say is the guitar and playability is just incredible...I challenge people who never done it this way to try it and you'll never regret it....trust me, it makes a world of difference...
Really....
Why not do it the RIGHT WAY?? if it was some kind of voodoo magic theyd come from the factory like that. LEARN TO SET YOUR GUITAR UP PROPERLY.
I thought the original train of thought was a screwed down tail piece with a top wrap improved sustain. I'm sure someone has disproved that by now, but if it's good enough for Duane Allman, It's good enough for me.
Corey Jones I was just about to write the exact same thing.
I make custom washers for my guitars so you can tighten the tailpiece down tight. A machinist could easily make you you a custom set to your specs.If you look around hardware stores you can find some decent washers of various thicknesses and can find a combination that will work.
I've done this for years & as you rightly pointed out, it depends on the needs of the instrument. I don't like a sharp incline from the saddle to the rollerbridge/tunomatic bridge but prefer my saddle as low as possible for the reasons you stated. At the end of the day, what counts is what works & that always comes first.
here here !
If I top wrap I dump the tailpiece solid to the body and gives a better angle, currently machining a thinner tail piece with "grooves" for the strings to set in
I found that when i tightened my bridge i had a lot more sustain..
Compleat bull... Explain to me why Strats strings goes straight down through the body right after the saddle, and still have a smooth bending ability.
This vid is about top wrapping, it can't be done on a strat my friend, you know this is about Gibson style guitars with no whammy bars :-)
his point is about the contact with the saddles being more than the les paul and still being perfectly fine, so address it
Then I've completely miss understand the title on this vid:Why TOP WRAP strings on Les Paul and SG etc......I am not criticizing the top wrap on a tailpiece.I have never seen a surface tail stop piece on a Strat like guitar, have taken another look on one of my strats-no this top wrap can't happened,only on a LP type.Once again I tried it several times on my Goldtop and one of my burst.Kept the top wrap on my gold top for a while, and as I mentioned my right hand get hurt by this,- only my experience-we all play differently,place our hands differently and so, and so..capis.
Yeah you have to just put a bunch of winds on the last three strings to achieve a downward effect. the low e and a and d don't even mater how many winds you pout on it
thinkinga about "lucking tunners"... but nothing comes to mind
You have to keep the string from resting on the back edge of the bridge otherwise you lose some tone and sustain. This happened on my high E. You need to reduce the break angle so this does not happen. You should be able to slide a piece of paper between the string and bridge. Doing this will give you max tone and playability
Penny Packer I was having same problem with high E string touching the body of the bridge . Took to guitar center and they lowered that side of bridge a little which fixed that problem. Now my high E string has a little buzzing so I’m wondering if I should raise that side of bridge back up and raise the stop bar tail piece or wrap strings over the stop bar ?
Dam right !
Since you're talking about SG's & Les Pauls you have no increase of Bridge contact cause all there is is the tiny edge of the crap-o-matic Bridge. ( 7:17 )When the break angle behind the Bridge is steeper, more of the force from the string Tension is facing downward, pressing the Strings harder onto the Bridge. The wound strings may resist any movement that increases pull on the string (bending). The edges of the little saddle-pieces of the Bridge are in between two windings of the string. With a flatter angle towards the tail-piece bending might be easier but the sustain could be less. The "Definition" of the endpoint for the wave running back and forth along the string between the nut and Bridge may cause more "leakage" of energy towards the string section behind the Bridge. That's just my two Cents.
Crapomatic bridge is right! I just put titanium bridges on both my LPs. I had Callaham steel on there but it RUSTS:
Callaham sold me machine steel and when I asked him why they were rusting, he said, "You have to TAKE THEM OFF and clean them with machine oil." I said "thanks a lot" and threw them in the trash. Titanium does not rust.
You said?
Just chrome the damn parts or use some made of a stainless steel alloy. If you really use titanium bridges, make sure that all the screws you're using (the rubbing partners) are NOT made of a Titanium alloy.
One of Titaniums biggest advantages can be a huge problem.
The only reason why it is so resistive against corrosion is a ultra-thin layer of Titanium-Oxide that always forms with oxygen around.
So if you turn the Titanium screw in a Titanium part you scratch that thin layer right off. A new layer forms immediately but the part gets thinner by this tiny fraction of the damaged layer. If that happens a lot your parts may not fit together after a while.
They did that crap once in Formula one using Titanium nuts and bolts.
Like everything they were machined to with very small tolerances.
So after 1-2 pit stops they had to change the parts all the time.
A good material is only as good as the purpose it's intended to.
What may work over here might be horrible over there. The environment is a key element. Titanium has it's place but it's not the holy grail...just like carbon fibre. Science isn't Top Trumps.
I hope you're happy with your parts.
Do you know the specific alloy they used?
Tom Nicholson Wait!! Steel rusts? Well I am blown away, imagine that! You'd almost think it had something to do with the sweat form your hands and the oxygen in the air. Crazy!
Callaham doesn't chrome his bridges and I'm damned if I'm gonna do it for him.
thanks for some interesting info on titanium... I would add that once I have set my intonation, I don't anticipate moving the saddles again more than once or twice per YEAR, and then only by a minute amount... I doubt that my saddle screws would travel a full turn in several years... so it's not exactly like formula one racing.
I am happy with my bridges... they sound clear and twangy and they will not rust.
himmelhund69 If you could figure out how to use the reply function I would know if that was aimed at me or not. Also could you explain the process of jerking off on my keyboard? I am not sure how that's physically possible while writing at the same time. I look forward to your USEFUL reply!
@ The Rockin' Donkey, Here's what I've noticed, nothing scientific, although it is physics at play.
From what I've felt during playing, yes, having the tailpiece tight to the body will increase the coupling effect of the threaded studs that thread into the bushings. But, having said that, I think with wraparound bridges, that have saddles, or ones that don't have saddles, you can raise the bridge to a certain degree for action, and you probably won't notice any loss in sustain. But we're not just talking about "sustain" - as in the DURATION of notes, fretted or open, single notes, and chords, it also affects the AMPLITUDE of the plucked, strummed string(s), and how much energy is transferred into them, allowing them to produce the elliptical effect much easier.
Again, the headstock angle plays a huge role, as does the string's ability to glide easily through the nut slots. If you've ever played an American Standard Telecaster, or Strat, the "good ones" seem to be able to transfer string energy very easily and produce the elliptical effect. SEE: ua-cam.com/video/RRbmYQvWoK8/v-deo.html fast forward to 1:40 on the timeline, and listen until 1:55. - Hear that big A chord he lands on at 1:53?
Look at the strings against the black pickguard, and play that portion (1:50-1:55 over a few times) again, at 1:53 look at the strings. See how they almost strobe? And of course, the longer Fender scale length with 9 guage strings feels completely different that 9 guage strings on a Gibson.
To me, that's how Gibson's should behave. And I think part of why Tele's, Strats, some Kramers etc can do that, is because they have very straight headstock angles, (not too much downward pressure from the strings on the nut), And, their bridges are parallel with the guitar top, combined with a very short run of string over the saddle - similar to a wraparound on a Gibson. SEE: www.realvintage.it/archivio/prs87bridge.jpg and www.mannmadeusa.com/wp-content/uploads/1966-Gibson-SG-Jr.jpg - see how the string exits the rear hole in the wraparound bridge, and then almost immediately meets the center of the saddles? This = little to no break angle, a very straight direct path to the nut.
Personally, I think the Gibson headstock angle of 17 degrees is totally unnecessary and absurd. The tail-piece and ABR, tuneomatic bridge is a dumb idea too. It's almost as if they exist so that Gibson doesn't have to follow a more strict guideline as to how straight they neck joints are. Therefore, with a TP and bridge, they can compensate for those irregular neck angles. If they made all of their guitar neck joints STRAIGHT, like a Gibson Firebird, you could use a much simpler bridge. Look at the Telecaster, PRS, Godin guitars, and some of the Collings guitars, - cases in point.
The only reason I wrap my 57 VOS, is for wrist comfort and I can palm mute a little easier. There's no difference in tone when you set it up properly.
this is the reason i like to watch these information type videos about how to work and fix electric guitar problems,thanks Mr guts!!
Top wrapping on these tailpieces was the original way Gibson did it. The 54 LP Goldtop had this tailpiece angled for intonation and top wrapped with no bridge. The 56 Goldtop was through strung and introduced the tunomatic bridge. Both used P90 pups. The PAF Humbuckers came in around 56/57.
You are correct. The earlier Les Pauls did not have a tune-o-matic. I really like the single top-wrapped tailpiece on PRS Singlecut guitars. It is very comfortable, and I have no intonation problems with it.
Got a les Paul copy has rap around bridge works great p90
If you like the tone do it. It's an old trick used by many and is totally subjective.
Why argue? Spend that energy on doing something for yourself or others.
You also from the looks of it, have the bridge turned around or turned around the bridge saddles.
A better tip is, cut the ball off old strings and put the string through that, then run it through the bridge and you wont have a risk of cutting your hand where the string bends on the bridge when top wrapping
Not only can there be "wiggle" on the tailpiece......the higher the tailpiece is it is more likely to act like a pry bar and pull the two threaded sleeves out of the body....especially on cheap guitars
Yes. Good point.
I bombed the bank 2 years ago on a Custom Shop VOS '59 Sunburst Reissue and I've struggled in the dark trying to understand this issue ever since.. ... I learned more from this 8 minute video than I have in the entire 2 years. .... SUBSCRIBED!. .... WELL DONE! ..... keep 'er comin' MAN!
Yes, the mystery of top wrapping was simply demonstrated with a cardboard tube and a string. Amazing. And there are all these idiots disliking the video and commenting about "tone-wood" mongering... this is just an explanation!
this affects weather intonation nor playability nor sustain. thats just something u don't need, wasted time and damaged material, nothing else. and yes, I play guitar since 40 years and am pro
Laregly the placebo effect. You think it feels "softer" and in your mind it does. From an engineering point of view it cannot make a difference at all. The only way a string will feel softer is if it is under less tension, which is why Iommi started tuning his guitars flat after his accident. But a given thickness of string of a given length brough to a given pitch will have the identical tension regardless of the break angle at either the nut or bridge. If its softer, its looser, and therefore tuned flatter. Its the only way it works. There is no magic to top-wrapping
Actually if your guitar playing technique involves bending, overlap does make a difference on tension. At a sharp breakpoint the string from that shorter point to the tuner is absorbing the majority of stretch of the string. A far less severe break point the string is absorbing the stretch with less resistance the full length if the string to the tail piece. Unfortunately tuning does play a factor in this set up because the string must return to it's original stretch point after being stretched by the bend to stay in tune perfectly. There is less stability of the string because of this fact.
@@jessegaronband
Your an idiot.
You dont have even a basic understanding of mechanical physics.
The dude is right, your wrong. Period.
So what happens with string-thru bodies?
2 different break angles, one of them being 90'.
By your logic, you wouldn't even be able to bend the strings, right?
Its hard to believe you guys on here with your self taught science are even capable of stringing a guitar, let alone servicing them.
I think you are correct for the most part. I think you get better sustain if the post screws are tight against a washer that is tight against the body. Some of the hardware, especially the import stuff has sloppy fit between the threads, bridge and tailpiece. i will wrap the bridge studs with teflon tape that seems to take away any rattle. I wrap them both, out of habit, they don't feel so cluncky. I've seen a few with the threads so sloppy that the post actually have a noticeable lean.
@@jessegaronband
Always great to hear from a successful musician like you only-
I checked out you videos, and i am impressed!
Speedways?
Like the empty one you played in?
What was it, 2 weeks before the race?
I love that "stadium" you play in on your video.
Looks more like a your basement.
I guess you and everyone you know forgot the camera for the "big" stadium show.
And those killer riffs you lay down- wow!
Thats about second year level, for most of my students.
What next?
You going to tell me your stool sample is better than mine?
And the witticism!
I mean, my parents have been dead for 20 years, and didn't have a basement, but the rest was hilarious.
But ill tell ya, the best part of being successful is, I dont have to brag about it, I live it.
As far as Bonamossa(correct spelling,by the way), and Gibbons are concerned, they can do as they please, just as anybody.
Everybody has habits, and ways of doing things because of how they learned, or what they perceive, but that does not make them right.
Physics does not lie my friend, and you can argue until your fingers fall off, and you will still be wrong.
@@edgeofeternity101 This is one reason I prefer a les paul bridge to a stratocaster. I have to screw 5 springs all the way down on a strat and lock down the tremolo with a block of wood, it'll never get the sustain and tone of the les paul with p90s.
From a physics point of view the strings pulling from the top of the bridge would put more strain on the anchoring pins by puling them from a higher position than the design intended and could end up damaging the guitar. Think of the bridge pins as levers and the strings as pulling them. The longer the lever the greater the force applied.
Yeah i always thought that too but i have top wrapped once or twice in the past one time i did it was a necessity to properly setup the guitar & get rid of some fret buzz!.. & then like the other two or so times that i did it! i mostly kinda just did it out of a personal preference thing! & basically what felt better playing wise to me at that time!... but! anyways! to my whole main point! is that!.. i think in atleast 97.5% of cases the guitar should really hold-up relatively fine! as long as you keep reasonable gauge strings on there like 11's or under & if you don't do/invent some crazy alternate tuning that involves something out there like say tightening every single last string as absolutely as tight you possibly can turn them then playing hard & leaving the guitar that particular way for long extended periods of time!... but yeah! i always wondered the same exact things you said in your original comment aswell! especially before i ever top-wrapped strings on a tailpeice before!... ✌😉
@David Wang worked for me at the time on the particular guitar i had at the time!
The explanation I have read in several books is that top-wrapping allows you to tighten the tailpiece down to the body for the best coupling, which is supposed to give you more sustain. If you deck the tailpiece without top-wrapping two things can go wrong. One, the strings may touch the back of the bridge body, which kills the resonance of the short length of string between the tailpiece and the bridge, which can rob you of desirable overtones which are important to the tone of these guitars. Two, excessive downward string pressure can cause the tuneomatic bridge to collapse in the middle, leading to string buzzing against the frets on the middle strings and a strange-feeling action. For some reason, this seems to be more of a problem with Gibsons than with Epiphones or other copies. I personally have owned close to twenty Les Paul style guitars, dating all the way back to the mid 1970s, including a pair of "lawsuit" guitars that imitated the Gibson moustache style headstock. I had these guitars for years and I was always able to put the tailpiece all the way down without the strings touching the bridge body, or without collapsing the bridge. (Back then I used a set of 11-46 strings, which I made up by taking regular Slinkys and substituting an .011 for the standard .010 high e.). I have also done this, without top-wrapping, on guitars made by Memphis, Halifax, Epiphone, Agile, Douglas, Samick, and a trio of Ibanez Artists that I currently own. In no case did the strings touch the body of the bridge or collapse the bridge, because the neck to body angles of all these guitars was correct in every case. I also believe that the bridges were made of stronger metal than what Gibson has been using on their Nashville and Kalamazoo built guitars. (I owned a Les Paul that was made in Kalamazoo and the neck angle was so great that I had to either raise the tailpiece about 1/4 inch off the body or top wrap the strings so they did not ground out on the back of the bridge.). My own personal experience leads me to believe that Gibson is not very good at setting a consistent neck to body angle, while these other companies do a much better job of it. Gibson knows how to make a pretty guitar, but their control of specifics like neck to body angle is poor. I have worked on a number of Gibsons for friends and acquaintances and I have seen neck angles all over the place, from about four degrees (desirable) to over six (very undesirable). If Gibson would produce guitars with consistent neck to body angles a lot of this top-wrapping controversy would probably go away. Until a couple of years ago I would set up all of my guitars with the tailpiece all the way down and strung in the normal way--i.e., not top-wrapped. None of the strings hit the back of the bridge, and none of the bridges on these imported guitars has collapsed. Nowadays I am using Hybrid Slinkys, gauged 9-46, and I have raised the tailpiece off the body a little more than 1/16 inch. I like the sound better with a little bit of daylight under the tailpiece. I think it sounds a bit warmer and more open that way. I have not noticed any loss of sustain, and I feel that the high are more pleasant and less shrill. By the same token, I have three guitars that came equipped with Tone Pros style locking bridges and tailpieces. I don't like the way they sound with the little locking hex screws tightened all the way. It sounds nasal and pinched, and I get a much more natural sound with the locking screws removed entirely. I think that good hardware, not locked tightly down, sounds the best. By good hardware I mean hardware that sounds good, regardless of the cost. I've found that cheap bridges and tailpieces from Amazon or Musiclily sound better than much more expensive hardware from Gotoh and Tone Pros. (This was a fairly recent discovery of mine.). And I am committed to always keeping an open mind about things, and trying to learn as I live my life. I try not to be dogmatic about things, just because my favorite guitarist does it this way, or because so-and-so says this or that. I try things out for myself, and I am still on a mission to see what works best for me.
Thank you for your channel and the opportunity to express my views. Keep the videos coming!
Tailpiece top wrapping (and string angling in general if not top wrapping) can have a - huge - effect on tone. It moves the tonal properties of an instrument because of the strings angle and eventual reduction or increase of string pulling power in a guitar. I transformed a super bright Les Paul to a fat sounding one with a small trade-off on the snappy attack of the strings (less tension, less snappy attack, more mahogany). Glad I didn't sell it before trying all the possibilities. Except the action issues it definitely affects tone.
The Top Wrapping thing started when someone saw their Gtr hero do it.
It's Gtr Voodo...and if you believe it, then it's good.
Tho comparing the crappy hardware on a newer Epi isn't a fair comparison.
Once the Gtr is up to pitch, nothings going to move besides possibly the bridge saddles.
Just raise the STOP TP so no strings hit the backside of the bridge (especially on a NASH TOM).
Put a Callaham ABR-1 and STOP TP on it and enjoy much more stability and improved definition...:-)
Good explanation. I don't top wrap as I'm a heavy hitter and I like a tighter thrashy sound so regular no wrapping gives me more stability. BUT I plan on making one of my guitars top wrapped for solos because using cobalt strings makes for a bitch to bend notes. So I'm putting together a vibey guitar with bumble bees and pickups that have sweet spots for solos. It's a good option for the studio IMO.
This isn't the silliest thing I've seen, but it's in the running for the top 10.
@@thehomefront1905 is calling people fat the only insult British people have ? The name of the guy that you just insulted is literally "fartwrangler" why are you taking stuff so seriously
Haha!! That was a pretty hilarious comment! To come out of the gates with, the face slapping comment. Haha!! LMAO
Personally I feel like top wrapping makes my Les Paul easier to play when beinding notes and such and it stays in tune better. Plus, Zakk Wylde told me to do it and who am I to argue with him :)
If I ever decide to sell my Les Paul, and I can't imagine why I would do that, and the tailpiece is blemished, I'll put on a replacement that's all bright and shiny new style!
A roller bridge beats the standard ones ;)
Stiffer angle can break strings too when you like to play harder...
I learned how to set up my Les Paul, and had finally gotten my action JUST RIGHT, until I foolishly jumped on this bandwagon. Not only that, it looked stupid too.
you could've just raised the tailpiece to try if it suits you
Aside from mucking up the tailpiece, wrapping the strings over it can cause the high E string to pop out of the bridge saddle with very aggressive bends, the extra steep angle of the normal routing helps prevent that.
Actually that tail piece started out its life as a guitar bridge. Look at early Gibson Les Paul Jr.'s that's all their was. Strings wrapped over and that was it. The bridge (tail piece) was angled to compensate for intonation. Later a Al in one bridge/tail piece was designed with saddles for setting the intonation.
There's a reason the tailpiece-as-bridge got replaced by the tailpiece and separate bridge. it was a bad design and impossible to tune accurately.
@@fusermonkey thats got nothing to do with if top wrap is better or not, that was to get an adjustable bridge for better intonation
@@johncartelli Err, I think that's what I said?
@@fusermonkey The context of the video and and the original comment makes your comment sound like you were disagreeing with Gumby and saying that it was replaced because top wrapping was "a bad design." Johncartelli was merely remarking that the separate bridge was to fix intonation, and had little to nothing to do with whether top wrapping was better or worse with the additional bridge.
how about this? Top wrap, bottom wrap...blah blah blah. Do what works for you and stop seeking validation. This design is outdated and only stays because of corksniffers anyway. Just go string through body and sink the bridge into the guitar already.
Not a fan, and some BS here. When I play gigs, I'll actually knock a string out of the bridge slot when I do acrobatics going over the top. The angle before the bridge is UNRELATED to fret noise because the angle between the nut and bridge is the same. And he says it's a tighter connection; NO! The tightness of the studs on the tailpiece is WAY mor important that the string wrap.
I'm sure someone likes it, But it's not for me. You're better off changing your strings and practice more if you want better tone.
The video is not really addressing tone or fret noise. The issue is whether the string feels stiff or slinky when you play. Strings feel more slinky when you have a shallower angle behind the bridge saddles. Top wrapping is a way to get much shallower angle without raising your tailpiece to the top of its adjustment range in the stud slot.
Seems obvious to me too, but I think there's a lot of mind games going on here. Nut to saddle is what is relevant.
@@guitarguts5530 People really need to work on their listening comprehension. And also finish watching the video so they avoid idiotic comments in the first place.
When you've gone from straight through to top wrapping or vice versa, has anyone noticed intonation or neck relief changes? Or, has this been relatively minor?
Yes. Check it yourself. Shallower break angle combined with longer total string length in play = less tension on truss, which could impact the overall neck relief. You should always balance the neck relief/truss tension with whatever setup you have going at any time. Every time.
Don't do it. I bought an SG for a song used because some idiot did this and it wouldn't tune and the store though something was wrong with it. I changed the strings when I got it home and it's killer
It was more likely old strings that were causing the tuning problems.
No This is a joke some seasoned guitarists play on newbies telling them to do it. Like telling people to put vodka in their Neti Pot
Good enough for Joe Bonamassa and Billy Gibbons....should be good enough for you. Like anything that requires a certain feel..either you like it or you don't. It's not wrong to have it setup the way how you like it to feel.
If you need a guitar more sustained try heavier strings or flat wound. It makes a huge diff. I've been at it 40 years too and played a lot of guitars
So why is your way the only/right way? playing a guitar is about feel....Joe Bonamassa is doing it wrong? lol. Your childish argument is hilarious! Top wrapping gives you a slinkier feel while playing with heavier gauged strings etc etc
Why do I like playing Les Pauls and others strats? Am I wrong to prefer a Les Paul? Who cares what other people do...do what you like....what feels good and sounds good to you BUT don't tell others not to do it because you personally don't like it. You should encourage people to try different things that may help them feel the instrument better.....heck Gibby uses custom 7's I believe...TOP wrapped. I couldn't play that guitar but Gibby sure has no issues with it! I guess Billy Gibbons has no clue what he's doing and is wrong...lol, grow up Linda!
"...rattle if parts are loose"??? If you put proper tension on the strings, why would anything be loose?
Just use the 2 big screws on the tailpiece and you're done. They are meant for that
Hey here's a really freaky idea. Watch the video, it explains why to keep the tailpiece as low to the body as possible. Personally, I've had this opinion for thirty years but it's a mystery to you 'cause you didn't watch the video eh ? I bet you interrupt people too.
Epi, Joe Walsh agrees with you, He says he likes the tailpeice in direct contact with the body.
@@Skinny_Karlos guess its true. Cant teach an old dog new tricks 😂😂 oh well 💁 half this shit is all in your head.. If half the people in search of this mystical perfect tone just played more. Theyd have it. Im rlly just messing. If yoy like top wrapping. Kudos. Everyone has their own style and sound. Everyone wants to sound like someone else and never find their own perfect tond
@@patrickrosington1174 Yeah, I guess I just am an 'old dog' and need good and valid reasoning to change. I'm not blinded or blinkered and 'can' change if there's a reason to.
Ahh, what the hell. When was this anyway?.....ha ha. Yeah top wrap, don't top wrap ahh who cares. Just play the thing and it'll sound better than if you watch 'youtube' all day & don't practice eh?
Raising the tailpiece adds more stress to the barrel inserts and therefore the body.. More so on thin sg bodies.🎸🎸😎😎
If I had to swop the bridge, I would definitely choose a roller bridge.
Roller bridges and nuts rob you of tone. A sharper knife edge gives you way more sustain and attack. Rollers are only good for tuning stability but if you have good nut slots and use nut sauce/setup right you won't need them.
+tockusa . And you really believe it.
+Will Kupers yep. From experience. Even Floyd Rose dabbled in them and I could not swap it out quick enough. So do luthiers like Crimson guitars. He despises roller bridges. People who use roller bridges who bend a lot and play long sets (like Jeff Beck etc) justify it. But his best tones are with vintage standard guitars.
+tockusa .Yes, I know Ben's opinion about rollers. Despite I think of Ben as a highly skilled luthier, and I do
appreciate his craftsmanship, I don't share his view about rollers.
+Will Kupers most luthiers insist the bridge and mass of the bridge is a huge factor in tone, sustain and overtones. Why would you have the rock your strings are attached to float on a few baubles? A knife edge brings so much life vs a rounded unstable bauble.
The ONLY determining factor in determining tension on a given string at a given pitch is scale length. You can top wrap until you're blue in the face and it doesn't change a thing. This is hocus pocus crap. Physics people.
No one is saying it changes the actual tension of the strings. Did you watch the video?
Definitely something wrong with it if it meters that low.
The difference is minimal but the overall string length is shorter making them slightly more slinky and also making the attack not quite as sharp.
@@marcavus1 I believe the string length is the same. From saddle to nut is the part of the string that is relevant. That is unless I'm misunderstanding you.
It sounds like you have figured out why PRS guitars have their bridges where the strings are wrapped around the TOP of the bridge instead of straight through. I have been stringing MY guitars (Les Pauls) this way for years now just for that reason. The string resonance when strung over the bridge is simply phenomenal with sustain for EVER. Not sure of the actual science behind it, but hey...if it works BETTER....USE it!!! Great video, I have been telling other Les Paul players the same thing for years...nice to know that I'm not the only one that figured this out!! Oh, and another modification that I did that you might consider, is that I took a hacksaw and made notches where the strings rest on the bridge, then took a fine file and filed down the rough edges and smoothed out the notches, so that the strings won't slide around on the bridge, I did find that to be a problem, especially when really hard shredding and really hard bends. Trust me...it worked excellent and I suggest that you do the same and pass it on as well.
“Too steep of an angle accounts for a stiffer feeling guitar”- my ass! The only thing inferior about the steep angle is that it puts more strain on the string causing them to break more easily. It doesn’t affect the tone or feel whatsoever.
I've seen the steep angle cause the Tune-O-Matic to flatten/cave in, causing fret-string buzz, so I wouldn't say "the only thing". Perhaps your assertion is better worded as "the main thing", since the flatten/caving issue seems only to be on the vintage stuff. I think modern metallurgy is making stronger bridges now.
@@marka.200 don't know, my 60 yo tuna-matic is has been set low for max angle and done fine for well 40 years. I tried up up for a flatter angle but I was pulling the strings sideways across the bridge top - hope that made sense
Exactly. If you’re tuned to pitch, how could the string feel any more or less slinky? The tension is the same
@@mab8485 tuning to pitch has nothing to do with string tension, scale length is a bigger factor.
What I’m trying to understand is how does one desire bridge height?
I see giving a slight forward bow in the neck provides enough rise in the neck for no buzz and enough string vibration.
But I’m assuming your neck relief is obviously connected to the height of the bridge. And the bridge can also raise the action on its own.
So how does one know when the bridge is the right height? I don’t see people mention this
The tail piece is designed to have the strings to wrapped around or pass through. The holes are recessed on both ends to accommodate the ball strings.
Originally it was the bridge, and was top-wrapped. This guy doesn't really know what he's talking about in the video, no offense to him.
I have done both ways for years, and there is no difference either way you do it, it's all in your head.
I do not like the kink you put in the string while top wrapping, and the tension of a string has to be the same between the bridge and nut to make the note, say 17 ft lbs of tension, it's going to feel the same no matter which way you do it.
Like i said, it's all in your head, just because someone said it makes a difference. I need to see the scientific proof.
Thank you. This has never made any sense to me. The strings are going to have same tension regardless of the angle behind the bridge unless you somehow increase the scale length
A shallower angle from bridge saddle to tailpiece reduces tension, so easier string bending but less sustain. A sharper angle increases sustain but makes string bending a little harder. It's a trade off, I've tried both ways and stick with tailpiece all the way down and no wraparound. Eventually you build up finger strength to do the string bends.
Robert Dunn It can't physically change the tension in the playing length of the string. For the same gauge string with the same scale length to be in tune it must be at the same tension. So the only way that the playing length of the string is at a lower tension is if you're out of tune.
What does happen though is that a greater break angle over the bridge increases the downward pressure over the saddles (the string tension in the section between stoptail and bridge will be greater) and this increases the friction. This means the string moves less easily over the saddle and therefore moves less easily when string bending etc, which makes the strings feel stiffer when employing this technique. I don't believe that the cause is anything to do with contact area as the video poster suggests as the saddles are essentially knife-edge (or near to) so the contact area on the saddle doesn't materially change depending on string angle over the bridge (and anyway, friction isn't dependent on contact area only coefficient of friction between the surfaces and the force acting). It is the friction effect over the saddle (due to the increased downward force created by the greater break angle) that creates the stiffer feel (when string bending).
@Skully's Woodshed....as a player for 40+ years, every guitar player has an opinion... tomatoe or tomato. This debate has been going on since the introduction of the Nashville tailpiece in the late 50s... One thing is for sure is setup your guitar what feels comfortable for YOU and take other people's opinion with a grain of salt. That's from enough life experience and guitar playing...
Exactly the tension isn't changing between the nut and bridge...this is all BS, like vintage caps.If it did it would change the tuning...people don't think. I stated before here that I used a pressure gauge and pressing on the string with it that's the same amount of pressure regardless of how you string it through the stop piece.
Oh no, not again. This guy believes in "Tone Wood" too. Run run run away.
Looks like you're another of those 438 fools who didn't bother to watch the video through. It explains (with visuals) how and why top wrapping works. I personally don't use it top wrapping, but this video is great. Instead of saying idiotic things, give your opinion on Top Wrapping. If you can't, move on.
I did this on a 2016 Les Paul Studio, and there was so much buzzing,ICFBI, So I had to go back to under wrapping w/jacked up Stop-Tail to avoid strings hitting the back of the bridge-plate.Then I got a Roller-Bridge and was able to crank the Stop-Tail all the way down to the guitar body, it eliminated all BUZZZING and no strings hitting the Bridge plate.....Glad I got a roller-bridge, it solved multiple problems.
thats why the adjustments are there ,no need to top rap its all in the adjustments,but what ever works for you ,cool video
I set mine up according to the gibson specs and had no choice but to wrap...works great...
Great vid Thanks. I have done this to multiple Les Pauls from a 78 LP pro, 80s Heritage, CS 58,59 reissues etc. To my tattered worn out eardrums due to the 80s metal scene, I hear zero difference. Nada. But that said..... It really looks cool and like most I am really susceptible to the placebo effect. So if Ed Van Halen says do not paint under the pickups so they can breath. If Zakk Wylde says top wrap must be true. So if nothing else when someone ask you can tell them a good story about why you top wrap them. The other mechanical stress/angles etc makes sense.
the only thing that over wrapping does is give you a more slinky type feel. just use 8s or 9s.....
I personally do this to every guitars I set up in my shop... I read in a guitar set up book once all the things you mentiones as well as it inproving the overtones and harmonics. I really do think this makes a difference for the better. The other thing I do is take my nut slotting files and abrazive cord to make a little guaged slot without burs to make a nicer place for the string to wrap around without risking string breakages at the wrap around point.
Just an update to my last post - I took a hacksaw and made notches into the tail piece of my guitar (LTD EC-401FM and LTD EC-10 in my case) and then took a Dremel tool with various widths of grinding wheels to compensate for the different string gauges/widths to make the notches more smooth and even...and you cannot imagine the difference in tone, sound, and sustain that was achieved by doing this. I would recommend to anyone that has the tools, time and patience to DO THIS MOD!!! It makes a TON of difference!!! Now that I have modded my Les Paul style guitars tail pieces in this manner, it is the ONLY way to go...PERIOD!! Any more guitars that I get, I will DEFINITELY be doing this mod. It is one mod that is damn well worth the time and effort...great sound, tone, intonation...plus it lessens the string tension and you can really get those string bends effortlessly. Best mod I have ever done to my guitars, hands down!!!
It also makes the string tension feel looser & a lot more bend capability and stay in tune. Feels great this way.
I have guitars strung both ways, but love the feel of them this way. Horses for courses though.
Over the years, I have played Fender Strats or Strat style guitars - so when I got a Harley Benton 335 style the bridge, tail and pickups were a new experience.
I recall looking into tailpiece heights on Gibson style guitars and reading that you should try to match the string angle on the bridge with the angle on the headstock.
Doing that by wrap over or raising the tailpiece reduces tension on the strings and makes bending much easier with little on no effect to the tone.
Given the choice of easier bend or string tone, I'd go for the bend option, you can always use a heavier gauge set of string to beef up the tone.
You want a 'slinkier feel' you either tune down or put on lighter gauge strings.
Why not have an easy playing guitar with thick strings? Better tuning stability, better tone easier playing
@@buttpounder2005 yes you nailed it , thicker is better imo , hit it harder , swing those meat hooks and don't suffer from the amount of time it takes slinky strings to recover from aggressive strumming , I like to hit it as hard as possible , slinky strings fail everywhere including lead playing , too easy too fast too thin too weak .
@@buttpounder2005 better tell all the guitar teachers that they’ve been starting their students off on too light gauge strings and should start them out on .16 .60 gauge strings much easier to play 🙄
why not just purchase a Graph Tech Resomax tail piece designed for top wrapping strings ? keep the original for resale !
I got one for my SG about three months ago and was astounded how much better my midrange got. The only downside is that it's just about impossible to adjust the bridge height with full string tension. with those smooth wheels.
I've heard arguments for both. More pressure on the bridge is better and less pressure. The one I watch on pro less pressure went as far as to say the tuning pegs were designed in the wrong place forcing the strings to bend too much. I suggest new guitarist when looking for a new guitar do so with their eye's closed and select with their hands and ears. Do the same way with this. It's not what looks good on paper but what feels good in your hands and sounds good to your ears, to the guitarist.
record a B4 and after... i bet $$ anybody listening wouldn't evn be able to tell the diff' :)
The attack is softer with top wrap but you are correct people might not notice in a youtube vid. The player will notice. Feels looser.
Guess I've been lucky. Never had to top wrap my les Paul's or sg's in my 45 years of playing.
Joseph P Liptak Jr me either. I also never been able to afford one either.
Me and science disagree. Pitch is a function of string length, string diameter and tension. If a string is tuned to a certain pitch it will achieve that pitch at a given tension. String length, string diameter and string tension are all fixed values for a given pitch. you cannot change any of these and still get the same pitch. It's mathematically impossible. String angle between saddle and tail piece cannot change to tension or feel.
... and yet it does. I explained it in detail in the video. It has nothing to do with pitch, or string diameter, or string length. It only has to do with how much contact the string has with the saddles. One way to find out that it makes a difference is to actually try it.
??? Capos go between the frets.
No, you have your physics wrong or you aren't explaining what you mean. Take a Fender P bass, which I have here and a Gibson EBO shortscale, which I also own. Now, they are tuned to the came pitch exactly. The shortscale Gibson is so easy to play and use finger vibrato and the strings don't have anything like the tension that the P bass has. Imagine putting Baritone B-b strings on a normal guitar. You tune them to the right pitch but because the length is shorter the strings are all floppy. It is still the same pitch. There is NOT a fixed tension value for a given pitch. Any guitar/bass player knows this without having a physics degree.
Extra string length behind the nut and bridge most definately also make a difference.
It's called physics.
The tailpiece follows the radius of the fret/finger board. It’s not exactly the same on all. The bridge will also have a radius. You can adjust both up/down to get the action across bass to treble side as needed. On saddle types tele/strat you have side screws/Allen head to radius the bridge, and set your action height as you like.
Just added to help imho about the hump on the information.
Why would you argue over this? Do what works for you. It's a suggestion for chrisakes
Yeah, I was gonna say, wouldn't the roller bridge work better?
I don't think the problem is how you wrap or don't wrap. The problem with your tone is tone polish...because a clean guitar with genuine Gibson polish improves your tone. Just ask Gibson.
krelbar ...my thoughts exactly...gotta polish your tone.
If I'm not mistaken, Ted McCarty stated in Robb Lawrence's 'Les Paul' book that the stop tailpiece was indeed designed for top wrapping.
Don't listen to this subjective nonsense
What are you talking about? He's just explaining how top wrapping works. Next time, watch the video before you comment you fool!
I've top wrapped Les paul tailpieces for 30 years. If I don't, the small b and e strings have a high tendency of breaking in the middle of a show. Plus IMO the guitar has improved resonance. If you don't believe me, try it, and look at some early 70's footage of Paul Kossoff, ZZ Top and Duane Almond. Also the first les Paul's came with 1 piece wrap around bridges, it cannot be argued that they are the greatest sounding Les Paul's of all
Top wrap my SG 5 years. Nicer highs.
It makes no sense that decreasing the string angle behind the bridge reduces the tension of the string. Let's do a thought experiment here...
With the tailpiece screwed all the way down so as to produce maximum angle, the properly tuned base E string frequency (which is a measurement of the tension on the string) will be 82hz. If you take a screwdriver and begin to raise the tailpiece, the frequency of that base E string will begin to DROP (i.e., have less tension). You will indeed have less tension BUT the string will no longer be in TUNE! You will need to then tighten the string to bring it back in tune to 82hz which will offset the gain of raising the tailpiece. This reduced tension "theory" only works if you are happy to play your guitar DETUNED. Sorry, I'm just not seeing this. If there is an improvement by top wrapping it can't be tension reduction. I can see that the string might slide a little bit easier through the bridge saddle with less angle and thus make the strings play a little slinkier. That part does makes some sense.
Complete rubbish makes no difference at ALL people
nige99 well, I beg to differ. I've been playing 35 years and definitely consider myself The Logical reasonable rational sort. I did this to my Firebird because it seemed a bit stiff and there was most definitely a discernible difference in string bending. I have even gone so far as to thread my strings from the back as you would conventionally and then go under the tailpiece and back up around 2 / rap but I didn't notice so much difference from that as I did from the standard over wrap technique
The tailpiece and bridge of Epihiphone guitars is not the same as the Gibson (regardless of the fact that they may both be "Tone Pro"). If you want to top wrap your Gibson, just replace the original tailpiece either now or at the time of sale. They are inexpensive and would allow you to do what you need for a good setup now. Just curious, did you purchase that Gibson SG new? BTW, Billy Gibbons top wraps Les Paul as well, so you're in good company. :D www.gibson.com/News-Lifestyle/Gear---Tech/en-us/There-s-More-Than-One-Way-To-String-An-Axe.aspx
Yep....Im a top wrapper too. I like the tailpiece low but love the slinky feel when top wrapped. If you bend strings a lot in your playing this helps that easy feel.