Can I Improve A Gibson Les Paul? -Top Wrap Or Not
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- Опубліковано 10 лют 2025
- In today's video I see if top wrapping strings on a Les Paul is actually worth the effort.
Many guitarists swear that top wrapping is the only way to go with a Gibson-style guitar, there the obvious plus and minus by doing this, from string tension to added sustain to break angle issues. In this video, I decide which is best with the added bonus of trying out the Lightning Guitars Stop Bar solution where you can all the benefits of both through and top wrapping.
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Here is what Lightning Guitars say about their Lightning Stop Bar.
The new stop-tailpiece is designed to be fitted tight to the body of the guitar which means more sustain. The reduced break angle gives a lighter feel for easier bends with less stress on the saddles leading to fewer string breakages. The benefits of top wrapping, without top wrapping.
Shoutout to Larry North for attracting my attention to the Lightning Stop Bar.
The Studio Rats are core band members Paul Drew on guitar/production/mixing, drummer James Ivey and Dan Hawkins on bass. They collaborate with singers and musicians to produce radio-ready songs.
Facts only: 1. Top wrapping lessens the break angle between tailpiece and the bridge. 2. The impact is less tension on the strings, which some players enjoy because bends are a bit easier. 3. The same angle can be achieved by raising the tailpiece. 4. Top wrapping may damage the finish on the tailpiece, so proceed with caution. 5. The tailpiece flat on the body DOES NOT appreciably increase resonance. 6. Whether it impacts sustain is a big debate and I don't have any answers. Conclusion: I am interested in the lighting tailpiece. I appreciate builders who love guitar tone so much that they strive to engineer improvements. Paul, thanks for sharing this with us.
Nonsense. It takes an exact amount of tension to tune a string to pitch, regardless of whether you top wrap, or through-string. It’s basic physics.
Tension stays the same, compliance of the steel change with more break angle as there is more downward force applied on the saddle that is why strings feel a little easier to bend but tension at pitch is the same.
It seems intuitive that it would increase resonance? My LP sounds woody and I want more woodiness
Although the tension between nut and bridge is the same, the operative length of the string IS slightly longer and so the elastic deformation range is different.
Me ? - I only do it when the geometry of an individual guitar leaves the tail-stop up high, on stalks as it were.
The angle of neck to body on set-neck guitars can vary by some degrees.
I'm always carefeul to maintain clearance from the back edge of the bridge frame.
@@KozmykJ The active length of the string is the portion of the string from saddle to nut, and yes, the tension there is the same if it's tuned to the same pitch. Only thing that will change the tension is a different gauge of string, or a different tuning. You would be correct to say that the overall string is slightly longer, so the elastic deformation range is different, which is what I believe you probably meant to say.
This is a great comparison video! Your playing made it so 👏
I believe the top wrap is the winner here. The whole tone changes for the better compared to the other two. The lightning one also has a better tone over the gibson(not top wrapped) but the top wrapped version sings more like how a '59 les paul does.
Thanks for watching
Several people got it right, tension=pitch. the tension on the string is exactly the same either way you wrap. It may feel easier to bend cause the string top wrapped will be more likely to slip thru the saddle, the result is you have to bend string a little bit further to achieve the desired note, again tension=pitch. You can't change physics. There is lots of placebo at work in the guitar world.
Why is this so hard to understand with so many? Whatever, I’m here to find out about resonation. And I’m not sold on that either. However thanks, I was feeling like I was in a twilight zone ep.
Great in conjunction with roller saddles, brother 😉👍
@@Gholdwayne That's because the effective stretch length of the string is longer making it feel looser on bending. Still the tension between the nut and saddle is the same because that is what creates the pitch of the note. So when you bend to a note since more string is stretching you have to bend it further to achieve the correct pitch or tension. It also affects the intonation. The saddles will have to move closer to the nut, tho in just fretting a note the amount the string stretches is minute so the difference in feel is more mental than physical. When bending you may actually feel a difference but by the time you hit the note you are applying the same pressure against the string.
As someone who has lost some of my hearing, whilst playing guitar for over 60 years, I hear much less top now in general. Thus I hear the changes in the middle primarily, in these 'test' situations. The "increased sustain" on the top wrap is definitely coming from the middle frequency range where the tail piece is now touching the body. The "Lightning Guitars Stop Bar", is also creating that same addition. Interestingly, I hear a little more top than usual with it too, so I would suggest that it enhances all frequencies well.
I own 7 Gibsons,(all have separate bridge/tailpiece setup). All top-wrapped. Reason being: I noticed on the older abr bridge, w/ through tailpiece stringing, the steep angle & downward/forward pressure on the saddles was actually bending the guitar top mounted bridge screws forward.
Top wrapping the tailpiece greatly decreased that situation.
why you dont up the tailpiece ?
I’m a luthier. I get paid to help customers make wise decisions.
We must keep in mind that it takes a specific amount of tension to tune a guitar string to a precise note. Those of you who think that top wrapping requires a different tension than traditional through-tailpiece stringing are beyond reach. Basic geometry and physics, my friends.
Exactly. Thank you. #2 for the guy in the long comment is incorrect. Same tension to get string up to pitch either way. I did an experiment both ways. I bent the high e up one step in the 15th fret and drew a dot on the 16th fret where the string ended up. Result was that the over wrap needed to be bent slightly more to get up to the same pitch. By my thinking, the overwrap actually requires more muscle, because in order to bend up the full pitch on the high e, for example, you have to also bend the b string more. I believe this is due to additional string length. It makes the strings feel more elastic maybe. Is that what people mean by slinky? I like the opposite. So by using the standard stringing method bending is slightly easier - less muscle needed.
I think the biggest difference comes down to the feel of the bridge while playing. Depending on how close to the bridge you rest your hand. That’s what I notice anyway. For bridge feel I think I like the shaper string angle with standard stringing slightly better. Maybe overwrap aids in faster picking because it may give more area for your hand to glide across.
The harmonic content changes with the length of the string between the bridge and tail piece.
Great video the stop bar on my 2017 Gibson L.P. Traditional sits off the body after watching & listening to the video decided to order a lightning stop bar not a very expensive upgrade and will wait to see how it works when it arrives.
Just a few minutes ago I watched your excellent video about the 'top wrap' or 'String thru' method of string attachment to any 'Stop-Tail-&-Tunomatic-Bridge' style guitar, and I simply MUST tell you about a much simpler and far more effective mod which costs almost nothing and achieves not only the greater playability of a shallower string break angle at the bridge from 'top-wrapping' but also the (supposedly) greater sustain, as folk argue in respect to a stoptail being 'bolted-down'. I promise you I'm not trying to be a smart arse, here, or trying to criticise anyone. It is simply that the answer is so simple and so blatently obvious that every player should kick himself for not having thought of it. You simply take the stop tail studs out, fit a metric M8 nut to each of the studs (as in 'nut & bolt'), and then screw the studs back in, thereby raising the height of the stoptail once re-fitted by 6mm. Yes, it is possible to simply raise the height of the stoptail (anyway) just by raising the height of the studs, but that can leave them 'flapping about' so to speak, which looks unsightly and does not aid resonance. But, with a nut in place as a 'spacer', the studs can be firmly 'bolted down'. In the case of a Gibson LP, you would need to investigate which nut size to use as Gibson favour imperial threads, but for any far-eatern-made metric thread stud, you simply use a metric M8 nut (ie: 8mm thread). The nut is 6 mm in depth, which is right in the 'goldilocks zone', so by fitting an M8 nut to each stud, and with the studs 'bolted down' firmly, you have your (supposedly) improved sustain, while, at the same time, have stoptail height raised by exactly the right amount to ensure that the strings meet the bridge at the same shallow break angle would have if 'top wrapped' while in fact they are strung THROUGH the stop tail. Just by sheer luck, fitting an M8 nut results in exactly the right break angle. Best of both worlds without forking out any extra money for a bespoke stoptail assembly. I've done this on all my Les Pauls and SGs, including a Gibson Les Paul, on which (because of imperial thread) I've used specially made studs that employ the same principle (made by a company sadly now out of business). The method is foolproof. And it costs pennies. On an Epiphone custom Les Paul (white with gold hardware), I've used brass nuts indistinguishable from gold-plated hardware. By the way, the reason I've added 'supposedly' in brackets in reference to 'greater sustain' is that, in theory, the firm attachment of the BRIDGE is what matters in respect to sustain, NOT the STOPTAIL - strings do not vibrate between the bridge and stoptail so how can a stoptail transfer vibration to the body? I'm not trying to be smart, just passing on a tip. It works for me.
Are there pics anywhere? Thanks
A bunch of washers would do the same?
@@socialmeaslesinpartnership1252 Yes, they would, and I've tried that, but you'd need a number of them and the end result looks unsightly - it looks like what it is, a bunch of washers, maybe as many as 6 each side. If you are going that route, Faber make a flangeless set of studs that are supplied with two pairs of chrome plated 'washers' in a choice of two depths. You can use either of the pairs of washers, or both pairs, to try out several height options. Faber make the sets of studs in Metric and Imperial thread. I've used used a similar bespoke set of studs (less expensive than Faber, but the company no longer trades) with imperial thread on my Gibson. But if you'd rather not pay Faber prices, the M8 nut (which you can buy by the dozen for around 3 dollars) gives you a rock-solid result and at 6mm in height it gives precisely the right height adjustment without having to experiment...
I agree with this guy on the last point. It was impossible for the OP to strum exactly the same in each scenario, and any increase in sustain you are hearing is not attributable to the top wrap. The string is vibrating between the nut and the bridge (more specifically the saddle) and not the bridge and the stop tailpiece. If this were not true, it would make sense to put the stop tailpiece even further back in the body just for increased sustain, yet nobody seeks this change on a LP.
You guys are as nerdy as me with these things 😄👍
What a great idea - thanks for your demo! 👍
To my ears, these results correspond with what Chris Buck found also. Top wrap sounds a little mellower, maybe more harmonics, and sustains a bit longer. String through sounds like it's cutting slightly better, and sounds slightly clearer/ cleaner. The Lightning bridge landed somewhere in between to my ears, feel not taken into account. Top wrap could be useful if you have a bright LP, and string through if you want a cleaner sound with more cut. I have a Sire which is on the bright side, so I top wrap mine with 11s.
VEry interesting ..For me the solution is top wrap and 11s - 49 or 10,5 - 48
Hi Paul. I have to say that I’m definitely hearing things different than most. I thought the top wrap had all the cut with richer harmonics, and I found the lightning lacking in harmonics, dead compared to stock and wrapped. After listening to you assessment and the other comments, I did a second listen through. I stand by my ears….lol
Cheers!!!
Yep. I hear the same. The lightning is not dead, but harsh / brittle sounding. Compared to the others of course...still good sounding but the small diffs matter
I liked the warmer harmonics with the top wrap.
The Lightnint bridge had significantly more high frequencies, i.e. overtones. This is something a lot guitars are actually missing, so an upgrade makes sense to me and I'm going to buy the bridged to test them out.
I heard this too but I am not sure if I think it's an improvement or not. At first, I thought this was actually sitar-ing.
At 1:30 you can see that the B string isn't sitting in the saddle slot. Doesn't take too long to dig a second slot out if it's sitting in the wrong space. I've done it before, lol, not a good thing!
I asked about this but got no response!
I must say, I quite like that lightning stop bar. Great playing as usual Paul, and a lovely Les Paul you own too 😊
I started top wrapping when after a ten year break from playing guitar in order to focus on my career as a drunmer, I returned to my first instrument and as luck would have it was able to buy my dream guitar and amp painlessly due to a winfall and I got my first Les Paul, a Custom Ship R8 Bourbonburst and decided to top wrap because my guitarists did it in my previous band, and I really liked the extra slinky feel.😊
Positive comment ahead... I don't play Les Paul's I've only ever played one so practically speaking this video would never do anything for me but here is the positive part... So appreciate this kind of video and the effort that goes into it! It is not lost on me that you had to restring and get your settings right and try to have a good fair balanced video... Really thankful for this just because it shows how much you care.
Cheers Blug
The top wrapped sound has a lot more harmonic content. String resonance borders on being out of control. And I agree with your assessment...the Lightning Stop Bar falls somewhere in between. Has most of the harmonic richness of the top wrapped set up, but more controlled.
Top wrapped sounds looser and less defined to me.
Top wrap, to me ears and my experience is the clear winner here in every application. Lightning is second and standard Gibson string through loses because of the steep break angle. Top wrap also has a great advantage not only in sustain but in tuning stability, especially on the G, B and E strings. On my Les Paul I have been top wrapping for decades and I also use Ernie Ball Regular 10-46 Slinkys RPS strings (RPS stands for reinforced plain strings) and they also make a HUGE difference in tuning stability especially on the notorious G string because the lock around the ball end is much stronger and much less likely to slip and allow the high strings to go flat when bending. I consider the combination the miracle combination on a properly set up Les Paul or SG. Great video!🎸
Top wrap is warmer sounding to my ears
Agree.
I’m surprised there was that much of an audible difference for me, in tone and sustain! I liked the lightning bar the best / it seems like a great solution. Gonna check it out
Been doing this for 5 years now. I find the guitar a little more forgiving when bending but apart from that no other noticeable changes.
My bass player just dropped a 1974 Gold Top Deluxe on me today… crazy nice Les Paul. Anyway, he asked me to play it and have some fun since he’s not giving it much attention these days. So immediately I started tweaking it to my likes and noticed the string break angle is a bit more than I feel it should be. So thought about top wrapping, searched YT and found this video at the top. I believe if he’s ok with it, I’m gonna try it. I can’t tell much difference either way but at least there is nothing negative about trying it. BTW, nice tones and great playing… thanks for doing this.
On a Gibson, I top wrap if the neck is set with a slightly negative angle. A regular setup would result in the bridge and stop bar being a bit too high on guitars with a neck set like that. If the guitar has a slightly positive neck set angle, then I do not top wrap, because doing so would result in not having enough break angle over the saddles. Whether I wrap or not is decided by the guitar's construction, not by feel or tone.
definitely an improvement over the stock and wrap bar....... I'm buying one for each of my les pauls!!!!
I got this Lightning stop tail. I have been playing on tune o’matics for 38 years. This tailpiece really is a game changer. Definitely more sustain, definitely lighter tension, but I’m getting a better tone and more harmonics, don’t know if this is less tension related but it’s great. If you have a tune o’matic you must get one, they are game changers. If you stick with tradition for vintage correctness you are mad.
Awesome demo! The one thing I would have liked is you telling us which method or tail piece you would leave on your guitar after the test. 👍🏼
when top wrapping, use an extra set of string ends on the string b4 putting through the stop bar, making the string break on the top of the bar further down the string past the wrapping of the string on the string ends, hope that made sense, lol
I have an R4 from the 90s looks alot like this gold top except no ABR. Top wrap is the way for me
top wrap for sure BUT you will still have that headstock tuning issue with the strings sharp angle off the nut that the PRS headstock cures.
I top wrap my LP Standard and find it to be just fine. I think the difference between conventional sting through the tailpiece (installing string through the back of the tail piece) and top wrapping is strictly a preference. Some do it in lieu of raising the tailpiece because strings can touch the back of the bridge and deaden sustain. Others just like the look.
There is this guitarist some of you might know, his name is Joe Bonamassa, and his tech top wraps his guitars. I'd say he has great tone that many of us would love to emulate. OBTW, most of us will not notice a significant difference, tone wise, because we don't have the type of hearing to notice subtle tonal changes. Some have noted that top wrapping physically effects string bends. Not sure I would agree. You can decide.
One thing I would suggest if you decide to top wrap, slide on an extra string ball end. It's that round bronze metal object attached to the end of the string. Just snip off the ones from the old set of strings and slide it down to the ball end on the new set of strings. This prevents the wraps at the end of the string from rubbing against the tailpiece when you bend it back towards the headstock. A common complaint about top wrapping is your tailpiece will get scratched by the wraps of extra string near the ball end. If you place an extra ball end it places those extra string wraps inside the tail piece, not rubbing against the top of the tail piece.
So what is the best option for you? I recommend doing what works, and sounds best, with your equipment. It's your gear not mine or another talking head on the internet.
I'm not a tone wood disbeliever at all, I think all the small differences add up. But this bridge does make more of a difference toneally than a lot of wood choices might. And you'll break less strings!
I do hear a difference in all three and I prefer the lightening kinda between the other two
Thanks for this. I am setting up my vintage Les Paul the best I can and came across this video. Will order the Lightning Bar Vintage and I subscribed to your channel.
Another option is the Faber Tone-Lock locking studs, which uses a bolt with a spacer below the stoptail to both raise it up. The studs bolt the tailpiece securely against the body, but at a raised height, which reduces the break angle over the bridge. I have them on my 3 historic reissue LPs.
Please also make a video on your Les Paul Gibson with P90s about how to setup P90s height, it is important to me and I would greatly appreciate it. Thank you!
First, I really like your playing, it’s filling the middle ground between blues and shredding, giving the best of both worlds. Now for my impression. I felt like the guitar sounded its best with the strings top wrapped, there was a bit more midrange depth and the highs were nice and meaty. I began top wrapping in the late 1970s after seeing a photo of Duane Allman with his goldtop strung that way. I’ve always admired his playing and tone and I found that top wrapping gave me a great big midrange and fatter sounding highs. At that time I was using an 11-46 set on my electrics and they also felt easier to bend with the top wrap. Nowadays I'm using a 9-46 set, replacing the .016 third string with an .014 for easier bends and a more balanced feel. I don't top wrap any more because the lighter strings are easy to bend and I don't want to mar the plating on my stoptail in case I ever decide to sell any of my guitars. Nice video, and I can see from the comments that there are strong feelings and good points on both sides of the issue.
Cheers for your comment, interesting perspective. Best Paul
Ok, so I topped wrapped and finally had a full band practice to test it the way it should be. What I found is the usual 1.easier to bend 2. and yes, sustain was much better 3. Makes you feel cool. The downside is I felt like it made the guitar chimey-ier. Even the neck pickup sounded trebley. I didn't have time to mess with the EQ or even my tone knobs and selecter position much to even it back out or middle ground it. I'm not sure why it would change the eq of the guitar, but it was pretty significant.
Those sweet sweet P-90's... Both the top-wrap and the lightning sound great. The lightning is a bit steeply priced, so I think for the time being I will keep top-wrapping.... but it is a sweet piece of kit.
There is no difference in string tension. That's basic string physics - Mersenne's Law. Tension depends only on the scale length, tuned frequency, and string mass per unit length. There may however be a difference in string stiffness, as that depends on the full length of the string, as well as nut and saddle friction. String-saddle friction is affected by the string break angle, so is influenced by top wrapping. That's if you don't change the stopbar height between regular and top wrapping. As it looks like you did change the stop bar height, you may have removed part or all of a key effect of top wrapping - the change in break angle.
Sustain is highly dependent on how much energy you impart to the strings. So you can't test it properly by just "trying" to strum the same way, before and after the time gap to change the stopbar. You'd need a more reliable method.
If there was greater sustain with one stopbar, it would be because the strings were vibrating more. That is, losing LESS string vibration energy to vibrate the bridge/stopbar. The strings are the only things that can "resonate" more (longer) if there is really greater sustain. If anything ELSE resonates more, the strings would be vibrating less - so less sustain.
Yes , but me thinks that the sustain is Reciprical between both , .. otherwise - why a desired light alum stop tail piece .. ? 🤔
I top-wrap using a replacement stop bar and keep the original in the case. The break angle helps me bend strings easier. Whether or not a guitar needs to be top-wrapped or not, depends on the neck angle relative to the bridge/body. Some guitars have perfect alignment, while most do not. Since Gibsons are set-neck, you have to fix the angle situation with the bridge, and if minor angle issue, sometimes a nut fix and truss rod adjustment will do. I also have played Les Pauls with the tailpiece stop bar studs way up to achieve the angle I like for string bending. With heavy distortion, etc., I don't think the "better sustain" argument holds. It's a negligible difference. To each their own when it comes to guitars and their set-up.
Cool to see innovation in such a tried-and-true thing like a guitar tail piece! For me the overwrap feels like something people did to old guitars where the metal actually sagged of age, but I can do it sometimes because I like the aesthetics. Often getting some buzzing though. :D
I always top wrap, prefer the feel of it. Dunno about any sustain or tonal benefits though, they sustain pretty well either way.
That lightning bar is nice n tidy though, if it gives the same feel as top wrapping fantastic bit of kit.
Nicely done sir :)
I have three Les Paul Specials with one-piece wrap-tail bridges that are 'top wrapped' by default and they work fine. Btw I get good intonation on these from Ernie Ball 9-46 Hybrid Slinkys. I top wrapped one of my Les Pauls (with Stop-Tail/Tune-o-Matic bridge) and I like it. You can lower the stopbar all the way if you like. Less total breakover angle at the bridge. Seems easier and more sensitive for bends. Leaving the other strung standard, for now.
Not a huge difference with the overdrive, all sound great and I do Love those P-90s! Also, I am enjoying S-gear and your tone setting contributions!
I just like the way it feels.
Tried both ways and use it string through. Joe Bonamassa plays so loud with different amps done should be able to get any tone he wants. The LP I associate with Jeff Beck has a wrap around tailpiece so that's the only way he could string it.
Depending on the neck set angle, some guitars can't be top wrapped. The break angle over the bridge will be too slight. LP customn silverbursts are known for this because of the flatter neck set angle.Very few guitars regardless of price, are set up optimally from the factory. I've learned to assess each guitar for what it's strengths and weaknesses are. Then make the changes necessary to dial it in even more. Every guitar is different.
My first thought too.
The neck 'set angles' are known to vary somewhat.
I top wrap mine. I llike the slinkier feel. As far as tone goes the difference is pretty small. Splitting hairs imho. What is more interesting is a 432 tuning. I don't tune to it because no one else I play with wants to but harmonics seem to jump out of the guitar. No it's not magic but if your curious try it. Overdriven tones ring more harmonics so on an acoustic guitar you are not likely to hear much difference besides the lower pitch.
Im shocked but the lightning bar sounded a hair thinner with a little more treble than i like
I have never played a top wrapped Gibson, so I can't comment on playability. However, listening to it very carefully, eyes-closed, through high fidelity monitors, it's pretty clear that the different wrappings produce different harmonic series, and top wrapping yields a more pleasant harmonic content, the most pronounced difference to me is on the attack of certain notes, in the strung through the attack of certain high frequency harmonics is way more pronounced and they jump out more, in the top wrapping these high harmonics are either not so loud or are masked by a different harmonic series, which makes for a more pleasant listening experience.
After watching your video, I topwrapped the strings on my Lespaul. What I noticed is that bending is smoother, but during a heavy bend the high E string broke due to the steep breaking angle of the string on the tailpiece.
Have just purchased a lightning tailpiece, cannot wait to get it and fitted. By the way heaven knows why Gibson sell so many Les Pauls fitted with humbuckers when you hear those P90’s. There really isn’t any pickup that can sound so good. To me it makes the PAF corksniffing totally pointless.
I love the idea i personally need one! The only cons i hear here is that the lighting one make sound too thin for me. I guess it is due to the "weight" of the stop bar. If it is aluminum it is very light (less mass ) and this lead to a "thin" sound. I'd buy straight away if it wouldn't be light aluminum but a heavy stop tail like gibson or schaller one! Anyway i love the project and i hope to see a heavier one soon❤
I do this with my es335 and to my ears, I hear more harmonics and it seems to get those nice feedback overtones easier.
I stick with the facts and for me it works and like it.
interesting video....for me only benefit of a less tension on saddles is for tunning stability.. less tension on saddles is better because the string slide better on saddles when i bend and return better to teh initial position
I top wrapped mine around 15 years ago because I postulated that the break angle was causing my almost constant string breakage. Since the change, my strings last as they should. I wish I had figured it out 25 years ago. To each their own though.
Palpable difference between all three. Really interesting.
The Lightning bar sounds brighter, but also lacks some bass. Maybe your Custom Shop tailpiece is better quality... I'd stick with it.
Also, if you want the classic Les Paul sound, it's usually through strung...
When do we attempt to start top wrapping that LIghting Bar?
Shame they don't do a gold version of the lightning bar I'd give it a try on my custom if they did. I've never wanted to top wrap a gold plated stop tailpiece
Gold ones will be available soon, drop them a line so they can let you know when they’re in.
I would recommend a Callaham cold-rolled steel bridge, and the same in his stop bar; as well as his steel tubes under the stop bar. However, he doesn't seem to be producing them anymore, so I can't do that. His bridges DO make a difference ... the sound acoustically jumps off the instrument. Oh well ...
Duane Allman did the top wind if its good enough for Duane , I'm all in on it.
I use a Les Trem and a roller bridge on my '82 tobacco sunburst and though I've kept all the original parts, I can't see myself wanting to go back. I also installed Phat Cat P90s. It's a great player... but it is like having a concrete block tied around your neck.😅
Great info. NOW how about a lesson for that run at the very beginning of the video 🤘
I noticed on the top wrap and lighting examples that the high strings aren't even seated in the saddle slot. Is this normal for LP guitars?
Hey Paul, I recently watched some of the Tom Bukovac's videos and in of them he's been talking praises about Stud Finder bridges. The intonation is flawless. Look them up
People often wanna topwrap because of Jimmy Page (I know I did) but tell me why when see Page on TSRTS '73 he has the strings going through the tailpiece and apparently you will never see him top wrapping again.
The "break angle" behind the saddles is more acute, giving more downward force when using the traditional stringing method. Top wrapping the strings increases the "string length," and that means they have to be tuned tighter to be brought up to the same pitch. Also, "echoic memory" is only 2-4 seconds, so comparing longer sound samples is likely to be inaccurate due to the !limitations of how our brains work. Whatever makes you feel it sounds better, typically makes you play better. 😎
What a fantastic video have a wonderful day
I would only top wrap or straight through with raised stopbar for the purpose of less string breakeage at the saddle due to too much break angle... THATS IT.😉
I saw a picture of Jeff Beck in the 80’s top wrapping and I was done. I’ve forgotten there are options.
Hi Paul, just saw this video and not sure if anyone else noticed, but the top wrap seemed to have thicker tone than the straight and the lightning, most noticeable on the bridge chord playing but noticeable in all examples. So not just sustain, but fatter tone. I personally like top wrap best now. I got used to the feel of top wrapping playing. It took 10 minutes or less…lol. Cheers! Dave
Chris Buck did a comparison also and most people said that "Top wrap sounds more womanly"
@@dwaynemcallister7231Lol! I love it Dwayne. You sound like my buddies Art and Kenny. We'd get along great... Cheers! Dave
I've been top wrapping my Gibson tailpieces for decades. It's better for all the reasons you said.
Ironic, that you are near to lightening, I saw that when mine was posted it was at the Purbrook post office which is PO7 postcode and I'm PO8! Should be here tomorrow. Chris said he was tempted to deliver it himself ;)
The different settings make 0.0000000000001% of difference, which is not worth caring about even if anyone plays as good as you play. What I really love is the sound of p90s in a Les Paul.
Just wondering if the riffs you played are songs or are originals? I’d like to learn :)
To improve it, you'd need to chamber it to knock the weight down to about seven pounds and at minimum, add a body carve. Out of all the things that could be done to improve a Les Paul, those two are by far the most critical, in my opinion.
More videos with Gibson guitars please
a guy measures the tension of the strings with wrap and it is higher. As a result, the wrap allowed the strings to no longer touch the bridge. for the sound in 12-52 pure nickel I find wrap less metallic and suits my choice of sound.
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Just raise the tail piece. Thats why its adjustable & if you get it just rite the string tension will be a lot more slinky
Hi, what amp did you use for this test, please?
It was some time ago but I think it was a Matchless Independence
Will these stopbars fit on an import guitar too (Epiphone, Guild, etc?) due to the metric system
I ordered one just now. Will report back with a report on it...
Topwrap also gives more contact w/ inserted tail studs , more sustain in my books ...
I like the lightning stop bar it's all frog hair splitting though.
The first sustain was like 2 seconds longer. I'm trying to think about practical application, and the fadeout in a mix at the end of the song benefits I guess? Interesting that studies have shown more tension creates more sustain, so dudes like Page and Beck were right about the sustain, but not about how it was happening. So for more sustain we should be seeking out ways to manufacture more tension, yeah? Is that correct?
Always love your playing and tone. Your Tonex cap of your Matchless is a personal fave of mine. Cheers, homies.
Cheers, to be honest I’m not sure if it is tension or not, but to me it it does make a small difference.
I preferred the sound of straight through the Gibson stop bar. Lightning sounded thin, top wrap sounded muddy to me. To each their own though.
Forget the tailpiece, I want those P90s!
Love my studio and traditional as they are. Never understood these problems. But Im probebly just to old. Cant hear any difference!
to my ears, the lightning sounded the best.
You said you preferred the feel of the conventional setup as opposed to top wrap. You did not explain what the difference was. Could you please?
Despite the overwhelming opinions to the contrary, overwrapping your strings absolutely _will not_ make your guitar feel slinkier. It's all in your head, and it's all in Joe Bonamassa's head. There is a mathematical relationship between the gauge of the string, the scale length, its tension and its pitch. The same gauge string with the same scale length, tuned to the same pitch, will _always_ be the same tension. This is immutable. This is physics. Even Joe Bonamassa can't beat the laws of physics.
I'm willing to accept that overwrapping and lowering the stop bar to the body might have some interesting effects on sustain and tone, but I promise you, it doesn't feel slinkier - even if you think it does.
Gary Moore used the traditional way.
That’s all we need to know.
The greater tension is on the saddles w/ the std setup , top we'll give less bridge tension , one can hear it .. imoho
You have a very thin sound…. What amp or fx did you use as a signal chain? Thanks
Did you have to adjust the intonation when swapping between them?
I didn’t.
what was the song/riff on the clean demo part? Is that from something?
Agreed. I Shazam'd it, but it came up empty. I'd love to see the tab for that. I'm getting started so trying to match what I see wasn't working great.
Let's be responsible here and mention that top wrapping will leave marks on the guitar's tailpiece. I say this BEFORE watching the video. I didn't think about that when I top wrapped my Les Paul Custom (relax, it was a used Epiphone), but I managed to get my money back when I sold it a year later. And now, to watch the video. :)
Stuff like that doesn’t bother me at all, you can always get another stop bar.
Cut the ball ends off your last set of strings and slide them all the way down the new ones. When you top wrap, this method will keep the sharp, braided part of the string by the ball end rather than coming out of the back of the bridge’s string hole and scratching the metal.
Top wrap is the original configuration because the original Les Pauls had no bridge, just a tailpiece.
V interesting….they all sound too similar….it makes sense that lengthening the string even at a shallower break angle will increase tension
If it was better than the normal way Gibson would top wrap or change it. 😊
… or find a way to charge more money for it 😂