Stephen A. can’t make up his mind about his Top 10 players of all time | First Take
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- Stephen A. can’t make up his mind about his Top 10 players of all time | First Take
Stephen A. Smith and Jay Williams share their thoughts on Stephen Curry being a top 10 player of all time and Stephen A. starts to become stressed out trying to pick his own top 10 players of all time.
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Hakeem Olajuwon is the most underrated/under appreciated legend OAT
@UCLFGXxLxoPd8a2I7hUEEU9w No one wants him dead. stop trying to make him look special
@@christopherlawson2606 bro shut up he won 2 titles with his franchise when did kd do that ?
He is top 10 EASILY. It would be easier on everyone to make this list if you judged them on what they ended their careers on. So for hakeem, he was top 3 in blocks, rebounds, and steals when he retired. Still number one in blocks. Top 10 i believe in pts as well. Makes his case sound a bit stronger.
@@ramzyy5362 I'm not talking about Hakeem. Another dude commented that lebron is the most underappreciated legend and that " People want him dead". So what u saw was my reply.
Fr He is easily imo the BEST center of all time
What makes this so hard is that there’s like 15-20 players that all have solid arguments to be in the top 10
Would be so much easier if people would recognize that players can share spots in the top 10 list. I got about 20 players in my top 10 list.
no, there are not 15-20 players who have a solid argument for top 10. top 3 is easy jordan, lebron and jabbar, maybe oneal (i know a lot of people act like oneal is not all that and they are wrong, oneal is stronger than any center ever and the most dominant center ever and when chamberlain was playing against 6 feet 8 center, oneal was playing against olayjuwon, ewing, robinson and duncan). so after those 4, guys like chamberlain, durant, bryant, duncan, russell, bird should come into talk. durant, very underrated, arguably the third best shooter ever, in terms of talent, arguably the third most talented player ever only behind jordan and james. bryant, also underrated, people put him outside the top, when he in his prime made 81 points in one game and looked like goat. closest player to jordan. thats 10. curry is overrated. he is lucky durant came and they build that super team to win 2 rings, otherwise james wouldve got those 2 rings, all he does is shoot because he is to afraid to go to the rim, 3 point is his comfort zone.
@@fatboyRAY24 that just doesn't make sense. u have 20 ppl in ur top 10? what makes it a top ten is that they are the top TEN best players of all time. not 20
@@chrisblender4045 you said easy than got maybe in your top 3 lol
@@GymbalPooh why limit yourself to imaginary constraints just to satisfy false conditions? If 2 players are equal in your eyes then there is no reason to feel compelled to put one in front of the other just to satisfy a list. It defeats the purpose of even making a list if we’re being disingenuous to the point where we refuse to recognize that some players aren’t better or worse than each other.
Crazy how Curry and KD are being discussed here and they played on the same team. And faced LeBron in the Finals two times. Surely people can’t trash him like they do for losing to them twice.
Yeah it’s not really fair to trash LeBron for losing to a ridiculously good team. It’s the other losses that hurt his legacy, imo; ESPECIALLY the one against the Mavs.
And klay literally got snubbed because he missed the last 2 seasons
I will never hold the GS losses against LeBron. Ever. But the reason I could never put him above MJ, is solely because of the Heat vs. Mavericks Finals. That finals loss is worse than if LeBron loss 5 straight to the Warriors. Especially after him and Wade were mocking Dirk when he was sick.
@@dorya.2189 well, thats like the only one thats bad lol
But ppl can and people will continue to do so… see how people ran around for years talking about 3-6 annoyingly. They do not care. They only care about hating or trolling LeBron fans.
Idk the ranking or order. But Steph is a top 4 most IMPORTANT player ever. With Wilt (rule changes), Dr J (face of the merger) and Jordan (made it global).
Throw in A.I as well to round up the top 5
@@furstfr yep.
If your talking abt game changing: Steph is top 2. But importance to the game: Magic/Bird are the two of the three most important bc there might not even be an nba still without them
@@reggie7408 They for sure advanced the popularity of the game, airing games live and no longer on tape delay. Personally I can't put them over Wilt and Dr J though. Dr J the godfather of the modern NBA as we know it (also his shoe deal with Converse was groundbreaking). And Wilt started a big man era that's running strong to this day.
Steph and the warriors is the whole reason the pace went up.
It wasn't only that they could shoot threes like no one else. They also moved up and down the floor like no one else.
When you’re playing with Steph and Klay…I bet KD was SUPER confident lol
Very!
When you play with Wade and bosh, and kyrie and love I bet you’re super confident as well
" When wilt was playing he was near a foot tall over everyone" That's a lie, the average height of an nba player back then was 6'6"-6'7"
@@thecomicsarereal He meant *all* nba players combined. The average height of centers today is 6’11” with shoes on. When Wilt played, it was 6’10” *without* shoes.
The average height of *all* nba players today (PG through Center) is 6’7”.
So, literally the difference is 1 inch across 60 years. Also they widened the lane to stop centers from camping in the paint because of Wilt. So, he couldn’t just chill in the paint. That’s a violation.
@@MalikDiene them niggas was trash back then let’s be honest
@@greatest599 How so? I hope you don’t mean dribbling. Notice how we move the goalpost.
First it’s “they were short”. That gets *debunked* . And now we move to skill. Keep moving the goalpost.
@@thecomicsarereal he would be taller than most the players today too though. And he actually had moves in the post. He had a fadeaway players couldn’t stop today either. What are we really saying here 😂. He would still be a great player he would just average in the high 20s to low 30s in his prime. That’s still great.
Anything to discredit an era with 2 guys that blow everybody else's accomplishments out of the water.
Here we go again with the Wilt myths..That he was a foot taller then everyone else, that's not true, yeah he was a freak but all the players back then weren't all 6 foot. Sorry, I'm huge on NBA facts and they have for years tried to eliminate Wilt from the GOAT conversation and keep moving the goal posts around on what the criteria is.
Wilt would have been a beast in any era. If you watch his highlights and don't see all-time level talent, then you're a casual.
It's silly how people call it a myth. You can just take one look at Wilt and it's obvious he would have been a beast in any era. Being a center is not that complicated...he's just bigger, stronger, and faster than anyone who has ever played that position.
The average height for centers who played in the '60s was 6'10. The height myth is just that, a myth
Wilt is not all height. He was extremely skilled, athletic, long limbed and physically strong. In his early years, he was like taller a Giannis and once he aged, he was like Shaq with playmaking skills. No doubt, he could dominate in all eras.
My guy thats just a way of saying that the avg Center was like 6'8 thats what he means when says a foot taller
Great highlight today ty for sharing
It feels like yesterday when Shaq was only 20. Snoop was 20 going ~One, two, three and to the four~ ~Snoop Doggy Dogg and Dr. Dre is at the door~. To me, 1992 literally feels like yesterday. Not 30 frickin' years.
Jay Williams is the leader of "newer is always better." Leave the past behind. It's archaic. I love tech so I get it. I understand it. But, c'mon, Jay. Just because Wilt is dead and played 50-60 years ago doesn't mean he's automatically irrelevant.
But when u take in consideration Wilt was a foot taller than his competition majority of his career how legit is he really in comparison to Steph Curry who's only 6'3 and been dominant over 95% of today's NBA players w/ way better abilities than the players in the 50's & 60's?
@@777bhana
Lol you got that SAS knowledge.
Average height of centers in wilt Era was 6'10" same as today and average height of nba was 6'5" in the 60s which is the same today give or take an inch.
Steph is incredible, but he isn't as dominant over his peers like Wilt.
Let's see where Steph ends up after the 2nd half of his career.
@@DemonKing-oi4jd
Sure height is still similar to wilt days but can you truly say that players back then were as skilled as they are now? Players nowadays have more access to better trainers, nutritionists, and doctors which allow them to excel even more.
The way i see it wilt in my mind is a top 10 player just because of the records that he holds and the numbers he put up. Just imagine what wilt would be like with todays skills and nutritionists.
I can understand the criticism of wilt because the numbers back seem inflated for a number of reasons, but wilt is still a great that shouldnt be forgotton or dismissed because of recency bias.
@@Odin320
I agree with you with the skills being way better today.
Wilt's numbers are inflated, but what other player his generation put any numbers close to Wilt. You can only judge him against his peers.
@@Odin320
You can say Giannis is pretty close to what wilt would be in today's league if he was born this generation. He has the strength, agility, and stamina like Wilt. Has Wilt's power game and some of his finesse game.
Honestly is kind of impossible to list the greatest players by number, I feel like we should rank them by tiers, obviously MJ and Lebron in tier 1
MJ is in a tier by himself, the lone goat. Him and LBJ aren’t equal.
@@eazyduzit-tr3nx wrong
No Jordan is in his own their bron is to but a tier below
@@brendanbloom3366 na you wrong
@@brendanbloom3366 of course LBJ fans will disagree but it’s true •shrugs•
They should make a list for each position
Crazy how they mentioning Steph and Kd for a top 10 spot before Hakeem is really just wild to me
that just goes to show u all this stuff is opinion based the only thing thats not opinion based is that lebron and mj are top 2
@@OMG-si3wn that is opinion based MJ aint the GOAT he's number 2 behind kareem lebron is number 3. MJ benefited from rule changes like illegal defense which made it easier for players to score league was full of expansion teams as well and he started going to the finals when magic and bird got older he has the shoes and brand and is the most popular player he rides off legacy but kareem had a better overall career
@@sac1211
6 Chips 5 MVP 6 FMVP
4 Chips 4 MVP 4 FMVP
6 Chips 6 MVP 2 FMVP
Winning a chip without you being the FMVP and best player on the team doesnt count in the GOAT debate.
@@OMG-si3wn Lebron not top 2
@@sac1211 this kid here, straight out the LBJ groupie/MJ hater handbook
"The dude is ridiculous" best description of Steph Curry
When you talk about Clutch shot. You should also consider what kind of defense appllied.
For anyone that doesn't think Larry Legend is top 10. Just UA-cam his highlights... Tim Duncan literally carried a franchise to a dynasty for 15+ yrs he is top 10 and prob ahead of Lbird
It's a great misconception that everyone Wilt played against was small. The average size of centers in the 60`s was 6'10" about the same now. Top ten in order more or less Jordan, LeBron, Kareem, Russell, Wilt, Majic, Olajuwon, Bird, Kobe and Duncan. There that settles it. The only current player that deserves on the list is LeBron. Could change depending on how Curry, Durant and Anteokoumpo finish their career.
Bron will end 1 by the end of his career
@@hxnterbekillin867 No, he won't. Not with 6 Finals losses. He can't erase that.
My only question is how do Kobe get top 10 in your list? Way more deserving prospects…
@@damonyoungblood5488 You must not have seen Kobe's whole career.
@@melvinhhcp3615 yes I have and I seen way too much bias opinions involving his career just like Lebron James. But currently James is more deserving than Kobe
If Steph wins a ring this year then it’ll be hard to keep him off this top 10. Until then I think he’s more around that top 15/20 mark
Your crazy if you think winning a title this year puts him top 10
i’ll give him top 10 if he can win another mvp and win a finals mvp next year
he’s already top ten
@@benr11 top 1 he’s better than mj lol
@@adnanahmed1896 such an high standard lol
This is very accurate
I love Steven's take, Steph is ridiculous and I'm privileged to witness his greatness
You can't go up to a grown man and ask for a top 10 all time there's too much greatness 💯
Word!!! 👏🏽
Sure you can here it is....in no particular order 🤭
Magic Johnson
Larry Bird
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Bill Russell
Michael Jordan
Hakeem Olajuwon
Kobe Bryant
LeBron James
Tim Duncan
Shaquille O'Neal
Larry Bird is ahead of Steph Curry
He had 3 titles, went to 8 Finals, won 3 MVPs, to Steph's two, and was more clutch than Curry, and both were 50/40/90. So Steph needs to at least win another MVP, or another title, to match Bird, the closest thing to Steph Curry on the list
That's why Kobe is not a top 5 too... He was not even the best player in 60% of his titles.
Curry needs a fmvp then he's a serious candidate
@@viniciussantos2857 No Kobe no finals! Can’t say Shaq was better than Kobe when Kobe saved the entire team from being eliminated multiple times in the playoffs 🤣💀.
@@Ellis1993 Shaq was the better player in their 3 peat😂Shaq’s number’s were better than Kobe’s in every final and he won finals MVP 3 years in a row stop it lmao
@@Ellis1993 dummy Kobe was only a sidekick when Shaq carried Lakers to 3 champions 3 Finals MVp and 1 regular season MVP
Split up the Goat and best player conversation of all time discussions. One does not equal the other and helps out with issues like these. The Best player conversation is extremely more subjective, the goat conversation should be accolades racked up within the respective careers only imo
*this is so hard*
1) Michael Jordan
2) LeBron James
3) Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
4) Magic Johnson
5) Larry Bird
6) Bill Russell
6) Wilt Chamberlain
7) Tim Duncan
8) Kobe Bryant
9) Hakeem Olajuwon
10) Shaquille O’ Neal
I admire people born in 1950 like Julius Erving. They got to see 60 years of the NBA. But I'm born in 1980. My experience is limited. I'll throw out somebody like Oscar, Jerry, or Elgin. SAS is born 1967. No recollection of Wilt.
Durant is right there in that 11-20 range with Curry, Hakeem, IT, Dr. J, Moses and Karl Malone, Jerry West and Oscar. No particular order.
I think IT and Karl Malone are probably in the tier right below. Maybe Hakeem is in the tier above. Also giannis and dwade maybe?
Curry is nowhere near as good as those other guys you named
@@brendanbloom3366 I think Hakeem and maybe Durant are better. West is debatable but curry is better than erving and IT. West is a better all around player but stuff is just so dominant. Kevin Durant and Steph are pretty similar skill wise, though KD is better all around. However Steph has better career credentials so I say he's better. Hakeem is definitely better tho
@@daharmanswhatnot5361 "better career credentials" that's ridiculous. Media voted and team awards don't make you a better player. Kd is a far better player and Steph is not "so dominant." Dr J is way better than Steph. Better scorer. Better post game. Better lob threat. Better slasher/finisher. Better transition scorer. Better midrange. Better on ball scorer. More versatile. Better defender. Better rebounder. West also way better. Better post game. Better midrange. Better. better finisher. Would have been great 3 pt shooter if it existed for him. Better passer. Better rebounder. More clutch. Better defender. Steph is a better shooter than IT. IT was more athletic and had a better handle and could get to anywhere he wanted. IT was a better passer. IT was a better defender.
@@brendanbloom3366 nah I mean chips, records, MVPs.
Magic Johnson is Kobe's all-time favorite player. Kobe was closer to Michael in friendship but he idolized the Lakers and Magic growing up. Not Michael. I would not have Kobe at #3 that Jay Williams puts him in.
Yeah, his favorite player, yet cloned Jordan from mindset to shot mechanics. That's nonsense.
What kind of logic is this?
Kobe is objectively outside of the top 5 which is Jordan LeBron Kareem Magic and Duncan
Kobe is not top 10
I have Kobe in the 7 range. Magic is top 5
Jay Williams omitted WILT out of his top 10 and inserted KD. Jay was born in 1981 but his list feels like someone born in 2011. 🤦🏻♂️ KD is not greater than Olajuwon, ok? Bird was a better rebounder and passer than KD. More clutch too.
He be riding kd nuts
You can't be serious
KD is better than both of them tf are u talkin about
The 4 classiest NBA players ever: Julius Erving, David Robinson, Dirk Nowitzki, and Pau Gasol. When Ashton Kutcher tried to Punk Dirk, Dirk was so patient! He's such a nice guy! And Pau is so kind in interviews. Honorable mention: DWade
This is an excellent list.
Mike Conley too
@Jojo Feliciano they thought the Mavs were lying about him having the flu to throw off their game plan.
All i know is Kobe better be in your top 5 people act like we aint witness greatness in his prime
Why would he? There are 10 other players that impacted the game more with better efficiency.
He’s 6-8, he doesn’t have an argument over MJ Bron Kareem Magic or Duncan
@@fahimabrar277 your picking duncan over kobe ?? Dont talk basketball anymore
@@Christopher._M 10 players?. Now you reaching definitely not 10 players more impactful then Kobe bruh
@@brodcast- MJ, Lebron, Malone, Shaq, kareem, Hakeem, magic, David roberson, barkley, Steph, KD, Giannis, wilt , Oscar, and you can argue stockton.
Just tried commenting my top 10 and ended up with like 15 people off the top that have cases for top 10. I think thats when peoples preferences about players factor into the ranking.
Marie Curie’s notebooks are still radioactive.
Steph is a clutch points leaders. He sat out dozens of 4th quarters. Being the unanimous best SHOOTER in history for a while now, and of short stature the coverages he faces in end-of-game situations are almost unparalleled. The priority of getting the ball outta his hands or make the shot as tough as possible. All that has to be factored into his greatness. Not taking away from the others, but the mjs, lebrons, kds, bird all had height and strength to use in those situations, Steph has IQ and skill.
There only been one game in the finals that Steph was clutch in. Which was that game 4 against the raptors where he almost drop 50. Where his finals mvp ? When Kd wasn’t there who won that finals mvp?
So you wanna give him bonus points for being a midget in comparison to others, that's not how it works. If it did, AI and Muggzy would be #1 and #2 all time greatest players
Lol not always. Yeah the attention is always on him mostly but I’ve seen him get a many of good looks in finals games, wether off a screen or him creating the space, and he just misses it usually. And mj Kobe kd and lebron are all more offensively skilled and honestly have more IQ. It’s not just their physicals. They have post games and they utilize the mid range in the closing moments which is why they’re better in those situations than steph because a mid is a higher percentage shot and more reliable. And MJ was getting double tripled and hand checked btw.
@@kingkillerj123Steph got robbed 2 finals MVP. 2015 and 2018.
Steph has never been clutch in the playoffs? Gm 6 against Houston? 33 points in the second half. Big shots in closing. Coming back from being down 3-1 against KD? 17 points in over time against Portland? Not clutch? There are plenty of clutch steph moments in the playoffs. And durant was so “dominant” because no one dared leave steph and klay in those finals runs. Every superstar in nba history would have been that dominant, if they had the greatest shooting back court in the history of the game on either wing. Look at the coverage steph face in those finals vs the coverage durant faced. Kevin had an open highway to the basket, because the cavs were more worried about curry. And what has Kevin done without steph? Ex out his years with curry, and his career is similar to harden and Westbrook. 1 mvp, ZERO championships. Not knocking him, but the nonsense being spewed about those finals, is crazy.
“Sports analysts” lol.
They get him because he disappears in finals when he don't have overwhelming odds
What are you talking about? Curry is the most unclutch superstar ever. In the last 3 games against the gavs he shoot 37 from the field, 37!!! And 33 from three that is just ridiculously bad especially for his standard. And in the last game where he can prove he is clutch he shot 5/16 that is just so bad
@@pereisjo878 lebron had an 8 pt finals game
Stop bringing up one instance for an entire career
Top 10: MJ, Lebron, Magic, Bird, Kareem, Curry, Russell, Shaq, Kobe, Duncan.
Honorable mentions: Oscar robertson, Hakeem, KD, Wilt.
Next up: Scottie, Isiah Thomas, Barkley, Giannis, Dirk, Iverson, KG, Stockton/Malone, CP3 Dr. J, and Ewing/Moses/Admiral
Curry not over KD or Hakeem
Scottie Pippen shouldn't smell those lists. The Duo of Jordan and Pippen in the finals turned into a Dirk /a declined Shawn Marion type of Duo. Jordan averaged 20ppg more than Pippen in 1993 and 18 more in 1998. The least he ever averaged more than Scottie was 10.7 more. Always a higher FG%(in 1991 by 11%), always a higher 3pt%, higher FT% in finals, always a higher defensive ranking in finals. This happened every finals they went. That was not a Kg/Pierce duo like in 08' or Bron/Wade duo in 13' where Bron and Pierce barely edged out as the MVP. Jordan dominated and made the finals his own personal playground. That was like a Hakeem in the 90s when it came to those finals. It was Jordan and the Crew. Not Jordan+ Pippen and the crew.
Curry and Bird over kobe? LMAO?
This is why I hate Curry's fans, bunch of delusions
@@Driven4K it's not in any particular order.
Hearing kd being mentioned in this convo 2 years later is hilarious 🤣
In 25 years, the list will change again. Kareem and Russell would already pass on to the afterlife. We'll start inserting players from the 2010s and 2020s into the top 10. That's just how it goes. We'll be too old to argue back. Nearing our deathbeds.
speak for yourself ill be 54 and still talking trash on what ever platform we using then lol
@@Shortballa11 ong
@@Shortballa11 thats kinda sad, dont u have better stuff to do lol
In 25 years the whole NBA will be lighskins doing TikTok dances
@@smoek9458 im sure I will, but ill still make time for this lol. meanwhile you on the same platform commenting
A two times MVP, Three Time champion, the greatest shooter ever isn’t a top 10 NBA player but Oscar Robertson is??? 😐😐 (same goes with Kobe and Shaq no way is Robertson better)
Right😂
Playoff performances were kind of sus. Def top 20 though
Steph is a beast stand by my comment, just some good comp in front of him.
@@josephwashington5326 Oscar Robinson though? Nah.
@@calmdownbruh8518 I see you know your stuff. Oscar Robinson and David Robertson were good players. Goof ball
There’s basically a tier of 9 players you can put 4-10 with no discernible to differentiate. Shaq, Timmy, Kobe, Larry, KD, Steph, Hakeem, Wilt, Russell. All depending on if you weight longevity, peak, stats or contribution to winning you can slot those guys a bunch of ways.
The highest you can put Kd or Steph is 10 and it will take serious arguments. They are definitely a spot or two outside the top 10
Lmao the way SAS praises Curry 👌 let it go!
Ya know, I've got a legitimate question regarding Larry Bird and Magic Johnson. No disrespect to anyone here, but how is Magic Johnson consistently 3-5 slots above Larry Bird on all time lists. I wasnt around during that era but being able to watch old games and look back at both of their careers in their entirety, I dont see how the gap between Magic and Bird is that large on a lot of list. When you compare them head to head Bird was better in most aspects of the game. Scoring and rebounding for sure and, as many all time greats have noted, they are both all time great passers. Maybe Magic gets a slight edge in that one, but Bird is often mentioned along side Magic and Lebron for best superstar passers ever. Defensively neither of them were all time great stoppers, but Bird does have 3 all defensive selections while Magic has 0. The only edge I think Magic has is in 2 more chips and 1 more FMVP but is that really enough to put him 3-5 slots ahead of Bird? To me, just comparing the two directly, that seems a bit absurd. Maybe it has to do with Magic just being a more likeable and engaging personality than Bird who is often quite aloof but I dont see how the gap between those two specifically is that large just based on Basketball.
Maybe someone can better explain it too me. Is there something I'm missing here?
I agree with you. Don't get me wrong Magic was great, but Bird was better. When i was watching this I even said, I would take Magic off the list completely and add Hakeem or Shaq in the top 10. Hakeem preferably.
I guess you have to look at who gets put between Magic and Bird.
I always think Bird in this era would be in the GOAT conversation, because it's the perfect shooting era for him, and his back would hold up better with modern training and recovery techniques. He's a tier above Steph, because of his height, toughness, and clutchness.
After Magic retired, he was never considered a top 5 all-time player. His ranking on the all-time list seems to have gone up over the years for one main reason: When great players of the past 20 years are asked for their top 5, Magic is always on there. They don't mention someone like Oscar Robertson( who was better than Magic). Magic can not be in the top 5. He did not play defense at all. Probably the worst defender of any all-time great that I can think of. For that reason alone, he should not be in the top-5. Bird was not a great defender but he made a lot more plays on defense than Magic. He was also a better shooter, rebounder and scorer. Bird was a great passer as well. Magic has more assists as he was a point guard and always had the ball. The only real edge I give Magic over Bird is as a ball handler. Magic should not be ranked higher than Bird on any list in my opinioin.
Magic was flashy and like the spotlight bird was quiet, bird is better honeslty
The problem is we all know we want Michael Jordan as number one and a lot of other people want LeBron as number one so we put Lebron in at two but we don't want to exclude Kareem or Magic or Larry and especially don't want to exclude Kobe and we want to put Tim Duncan and Olajuwan and Shaq in there but we don't want to step on the toes of Bill Russell and Wilt Chamberlain and so this is just really super hard without leaving out somebody or stepping on some toes
Top 10 is a stupid list as nobody has watched these guys play for the entirety of their careers. You can only make an unranked Top 10.
Tier rankings make way more sense than numerical rankings
@@mrrickstur tier rankings have always made more sense. Always. You have Jordan lebron and Kareem on tier 1, you have Kobe bird and magic on tier 2, you have Shaq, Duncan, olajuwan wilt and Bill Russel on tier 3, and you have players such as Steph curry, Kevin Durant, and Oscar Robertson on tier 4. Only way to do it
Wilt Chamberlain is the most underrated, most under appreciated player in NBA history
What about the Logo?
2:05
Wrong. The average height of centers when Wilt played was 6’10”. Plus they were measured without shoes. Today it’s 6’11”.
Average height of players (all positions) was 6’6”. In today’s NBA, it’s 6’7”.
Obviously an exaggeration just because wilt was just more athletic than everybody else . You out here doing full blown research to prove a point from 50 years ago tuff like anybody cares
@@secondchance5080 Stephen a smith seems to care as he’s stressing over it in the video as criteria. So I’m good there.
And it’s not an exaggeration. The height point is a common misconception about the era. If nobody cared, they wouldn’t use it as reason to discredit centers in the 60s and people like you wouldn’t reply to comments like these.
Yeah, that was an urban legend that there were no other centers in the 60's
He had to play against Bill Russell, the greatest defensive center until Hakeem, for example.
“Wilt was more athlete than anybody else”
Ok. LeBron was more athletic than everyone else so let’s discredit him. Steph is a better shooter than everybody else so let’s discredit him. Shaq was bigger than everyone in the 2000s so that doesn’t count.
See how asinine your logic is when applied anywhere? Lmao.
@@InvestBetter. Thank you. They bring up something false. Then after it’s proven wrong they move the goalpost or they say “nobody cares”.
Translation- you proved me wrong so I’ll change the subject.
Curry is on my top 5 all time nba players💯💯
Not at all 😂😂
@@dakotabrewer3930 he will be eventually
No but he needs to win one more mvp and one more title with a finals mvp then you got a argument. He should have 2 finals mvp by the way
@@blupoppy no he won’t. He won’t even make too 10. He is a great 3 point shooter. Ray Allen is a great shooter with the same amount of rings. We are not talking about ray allen as a top 10 player.
@@dakotabrewer3930 ok so if he wins a ring mvp and finals mvp this season he not top 10???
you gotta love seeing two guys scratching their heads over basketball like it's quantum physics
My Top 10 at the current Moment-
1:MJ
2:Kareem
3:Lebron
4:Russell
5:Magic
6:Kobe
7:Duncan
8:Shaq
9:Bird
10:Wilt
@@DeeRG My top 10 Greatest Players Of All Time In That Order. Curry and Durant are in my top 15 right now but could change in a few years.
This generation knows how amazing Curry is. But if he retires without a FMVP, he would not be in the top 10 conversion after 20 years
Fmvp is joke
@Nobume be influencing is very subjective; George Mikan was very subjective….. people would look at the checklist including league MVP, champions, FMVP, all NBA selection…..
@@calebdejoun939 huh ........
@@sandworld1432 can't be top 10 with zero Fmvps. Even if would've got one, all general consensus top 10 guys have at least two
@@beattheodds6219 if he can win one more title with FMVP, he would end up 4 rings, 2 league MVP, 1 FMVP + being revolutionizing a completely different style of basketball…. That would make a very solid argument for him to be top 10
Injuries also affected GS when Cavs won 2016. Injuries are a part of the game and have affected many series so SA bringing up Kyrie and Kevin out in 2015 is irrelevant. Fact is GS won in 6 and were up 3-1 when Cavs had Kyrie and Love and Cavs won in 7 when GS had guys hurt. Doesnt take away from Lebron also but the media never brings up GS injuries in 2016 smh
If Draymond doesn’t get suspended game 5 Cavs don’t win I love LeBron from Ohio but it’s the truth.
PLUS Bogut getting hurt changed GSW it’s the Perk affect(Perkins didn’t play game 7 vs Lakers & Pau had 16 rebounds) Tristan Thompson became a factor with him hurt
@@KDuff-2015 Ehh... I can't really rock with that excuse. Kevin Love was missing for game 3 and the cavs still found a way to win, so golden state should have found a way to close the deal without draymond in game 5. Though I will say that Bogut and Iggy being banged up def helped the cavs out.
Exactly! Injuries are why you want depth on a team. As time goes on no one will care about all the "what ifs". There's what happened and what didn't happen. It's also the magic of sports, anything can happen like an injury, a hot streak, or an off night and that can change everything
@@KDuff-2015 stop it
Yess they do and you know it
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Jordan, kareem, wilt, bill, shaq, kobe, lebron, duncan, west, makone.
I don't think so he's the greatest shooter all time hands down. But for 2 of his championships he wasn't even the best player on his team. I think if he gets another ring that puts him in the top 10 conversation but right now top 11-20.
And who was the best player during that time?..you remember when kd got injured and everyone was debating if warriors are better without kd?, because they were still winning games without him, because steph run the show?...clearly warriors without steph, even with kd is not winning anything..the warriors without kd would still be the title favorite during that time..
@@reyarag86 Yeah they 100% would have been the title favorite during that time, but he out shined Steph. Steph for the championships and the reg season MVPs doesn't have a finals MVP to his name that does leave a slight blemish. The Steph effect is real though the threat he poses and the spacing he generates is top of the food chain. Even though I said 11-20 range i'd honestly put him extremely close to the top ten and I do believe if they win this year and he gets that finals MVP that evaded him that'll catapult him into the top 10 no questions asked, easy, any day of the week. Which is very doable, and dude gets the bonus nod of being a game and league altering presence with his excellence. Pro sports doesn't have that many trailblazers and he's beyond immortalized already because of his volume and amazing 3 point shooting percentage and the range he can hit them at. A chip this year with a MVP dude is in the convo for best PG ever with Magic. His accomplishments to date are akin to Dwayne Wade's except Steph ushered in a new playstyle.
I'm not putting KD over Steph..as great as he is..Steph a LEADER, he has the intangibles the greats have I don't see that in KD so if there was a choice between both I'm picking Steph first
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0 FMVP? Imagine losing to someone called Iguodala.
@@Machozz imagine the great Larry bird losing finals MVP to Cornbread Maxwell😂😂😂
Leader? Hahaha
Ya the dude is such a leader, he led his team to the Hamptons to hide behind Kd.
I'd personally take KD because of defense and I think he's a smidge better/more reliable in the playoffs. But I completely understand people who rank Curry higher.
One comment I DO want to mention though is this... Magic Johnson did something that nobody else on this list was able to do! And that is Magic Johnson is the only one on this list who won the championship in his rookie year and he didn't just win it against some Chumps he went up against Dr. J and a very good Sixers team!
And won finals MVP & got a triple double in game 7 with Kareem injured.
MJ, Lebron, Kareem, Wilt, Magic, Russell, Shaq, Larry, Duncan, Kobe
Wilt Chamberlain is EASILY Top 10 all time. He should be Top 5. Period.
That should be without question. they literally changed the game because of his greatness
who was his competition
@@jasonjohnson5664 that doesn’t matter
@@brodykuemin9331 if that's the case you can't talk about the physicality from this generation and the last. Because if you don't have fundamentals to compete against 7 footers. Or have physical attributes too anyone would put up those numbers. Steph,KD,Westbrook,Lillard,lebron would of all put up 100 back in those times. Literally had no comp besides Bill.
@@yungrell3106 No way could they score 100 points because they don’t possess Wilt’s athleticism, stamina, or size.
@@yungrell3106 have you seen wilts highlights before ?
Austin Rivers should have been included in the NBA top 75 players list just based off of his high school career
Dude U crazy 😂
So should Kwame Brown
Dude was a monster in HS but sadly didn’t really live up to that hype. Still made it to the league tho and it’s not because of his dad
Lmao
Curry is also the first unanimous mvp which to me is massive
Ill tell u top 10 best NBA players all time
1. Jordan
2. Kobe
3. Kareem
4. Magic
5. Tim Duncan
6. Shaq
7. Lebron
8. Steph
9. Larry Bird
10. Wilt
My Top 10:
1. MJ
2. LeBron
3. Kareem
4. Magic
5. Shaq
6. Kobe
7. Tim Duncan
8. Larry Bird
9. Wilt Chamberlain
10. Steph Curry
Switch Kobe and Shaq cause of the rings and this list is perfect
This is super disrespectful to bill russell but otherwise it’s perfect
curry is not a top 10 player you crazy
@@pkboolean I was gonna mention Bill Russell after the list because I know someone would bring it up. I just don't know enough about the game back then to justify it. There were only like 8 teams, no tall players, and most had 2nd jobs. But yeah hes in my top 15 still.
@@ssjbobb I respect you putting Kobe ahead of Shaq. Def nothing wrong with that at all. I was debating it for a while.
Steph is good but he isn’t in my top. Maybe 12th-15th.
Yeah I say 12th-15th. If he wins a finals mvp he definitely in that top 10.
The lowest I put Curry is 13 highest is 10 with some asspulls
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Curry is a game changer. He’s top 15 right now all time. Another title or MVP I think puts him top 10.
1. MJ
2. Kareem
3. Magic
4. 5. 6. Kobe, Duncan, LeBron
7. Russell
8. Shaq
9. Wilt
10/11. Bird/Hakeem
there’s literally no argument for magic being over lebron😂
Delusional people here
@@Mr.ThereItGo yeah u can
please stop, this is embarrassing, every player you named after Jordan is better than him. including Scotty Pippen
@@stoppingbronsexuals992 just by ur name ik ur a hater but tell me what argument u have
Timmy is a top 7 player in nba history, he's a 5x champion, 3x finals mvp, 2x mvp, one of the youngest finals mvp's ever at 22/23 yrs old, 16 all nba team selections, 15x all star, one of the greatest rim protectors in nba history,one of the greatest leaders in nba history, he is a top 5 winner in nba history. his resume is greater than majority of the other guys on the top 10 list.
The accolades overstates his Dominance on the court though because there are 10 players better than him over all with less team awards
Duncan was not better than Kobe, but he was tactically better than Kobe, and had a better team work, that's why Timmy has a better spot than Kobe... Skills are not everything.
@@treychapo1898 IMPOSSIBLE!!..... Timmy was a number 1 draft pick that exceeded, even the hype that surrounded him and dominated against guys like shaq, kg, yao, and more ... Bro stop it
Definitely. He's 6th on my list and I got Kobe 7 but there's a strong case for it going either way
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I'm having hard time putting Steph in the top 10 as well. That's pretty understandable Stephen A.
I want to point it out again but Kareem is looking frail. He's 75. Imagine that's how old Shaq would be once they celebrate the top 100. Shaq, Snoop, and Eminem are the same age. Will any of us be around for that? Life really is short.
I agree. Same with Russell on whom the fog of age has officially settled.
Scary thinking about that but you are 100% correct.
It's not easy picking a top 10 when there's been elite players in the league since its inception in the 40's...And what about prime/peak vs longevity? Are we also counting ENTIRE careers like College? ABA? If so, then that list will look different than the usual NBA top 10...Kareem would likely be #1 all time..
Soon these questions will not longer be top 10 or top 100 and more like a TIER list. Who is S tier who is A tier who is B Tier
I think it is because it's all opinion based
Can someone Moneyball the stats for us?
Can you put max in the rotation
Speaking of Dr. J... it was a few years back that he himself said that the minute LeBron started forming the super teams every 4 years just to win his championships that LeBron took himself OUT of the G.O.A.T. conversation because of that! Almost every other champion on this list stuck it out with their team and allowed the team to build around them! Everybody always likes to point out how Kareem had Magic and Michael Jordan had Scottie Pippen and how Kobe had Shaq...BUT THEY DIDN'T SWITCH TEAMS to partner up with those guys!!!
You’re also saying that a player should be loyal to an organisation that isn’t loyal to them, the Cavs refused to trade away J.J. Hickson for Amar’e Stoudemire for example, why stick around for that? If you could change your circumstances at *your* job to your benefit like that you’d do the same thing.
Curry is not top 10 all time and neither is kd. Kobe is 5th all time.
I have Duncan over both KD and Steph
@@MikeJay-on5tt That is true. Duncan is top 10 no debate
DWade should be higher on most people's lists, just saying.
Come on guys, Wilt did what he did wearing Converse 😂
"Steph, you're my son and you know I love you...
but it's still Larry Bird."
--Dell Curry
Giannis is gonna be too 10 all time this year when he wins the scoring title, dpoy,mvp,fmvp
What if he doesn’t win hun ??
@@gracebuanne542 He will win and there is nothing anyone can do about it.
I think he gonna be on the mt Rushmore when he is done playing basketball maybe even make the goat case
@@christopherlawson2606 okay then since that what you think 🤔 about it
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Thats why KD joining Steph was a Punk move. 2 Guys in the Top 8 All Time Teaming up not to mention Klay a top 75 player, Draymond n Iggy 2 Top 150 players, with a solid bench
Michael, kareem, Kobe, Shaq, Wilt, Magic, Lebron, Kevin Durant, Bird, Ducan. Top 10
My top-10 ALL-TIME NBA players
1) Michael Jordan
2) Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
3) Bill Russell
4) Magic Johnson
5) Tim Duncan
6) LeBron James
7) Kobe Bryant
8) Larry Bird
9) Hakeem Olajuwon
10) Shaquille O'Neal
You can debate MJ and Lebron for #1 of course it goes to MJ but lebron is no less than 2
Your top 5 is similar to mines, I have Magic at either 2 or 3 next with Kareem and people never want to put Duncan over LBJ/Kobe bc he’s not “flashy”.
@@eazyduzit-tr3nx duncan is no where close near kobe or lebron please educate yourself further.
@@Kyrie66 Duncan, to me, is top 5 because you can't debate 5-1 in the NBA finals, being in the playoffs 18/19 years, winning a title in 3 different decades, and an NBA MVP.
LBJ, I believe he will pass Karl Malone for 2nd in points, and his resume is solidified. 6 losses in the finals still holds weight to me, including being swept 2x, and blown out by the 2013-2014 Spurs. If LBJ wins one more title, he's in my top-3. MY top 3
@@Five0h4rFinestIt’s hard to get to the finals let alone win it with no all stars once so ever in 2007 and 2018 however that 2011 loss was unacceptable that’s the only thing I takeaway from Lebron. You cannot tell me Duncan in his prime would carry a cavs team with a drunk J.R Smith and G league players. Let’s remember the fact Lebron turned a 12 seed to a finals appearance is legendary.
My personal list is 1. MJ 2. Kobe 3. LeBron 4. Kareem 5. Magic 6. Shaq 7. Byrd 8. Duncan 9. Russell 10. Wilt… I think Steph and KD are a little ways from cracking the top 10.
So happy that KD's always on the list (Stephen A.)
The way I’ve seen Stephs name get thrown around in bigger “all time”discussions. . . All he needs is one more chip
ESPN's Top 4 (NBA Mount Rushmore)
1. Michael Jordan, duh, 🐐 of either century
2. LeBron James, 🐐 of the 21st century
3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, 🐐 of the 1970s
4. Magic Johnson, 🐐 of the 1980s
My current top 15
15. Steph Curry
14. Kevin Durant
13. Moses Malone
12. Oscar Robinson
11. Hakeem Olajuwon
10. Bill Russell
9. Tim Duncan
8. Kobe Bryant
7. Wilt Chamberlain
6. Larry Bird
5. Shaq
4. Magic Johnson
3. Kareem Abdul Jabar
2. Lebron James
1. Michael Jordan
Solid list, but I put KD and Curry higher than Moses and Oscar. So KD is 12th and Curry is 13th.
@@kad9947 that's pretty much my list I agree with u
I can’t put shaq and Larry over Kobe and Timmy
Not a bad list. Putting Curry above oscar and Moses. Behind Durant. I'd move Wilt down to 10.
Steph Curry changed the whole nba with the 3 . He made the NBA fun to watch again.A 6 feet 3, that has 4 chips unheard off .Always undervalue
and underrating him,He is top 5 .Stop belittling him ya being biased instead of analyzing pure talent ya all going by who you like .Its crazy.
When wilt was playing the average center was 6'10
The person who mastered the most important facet of the modern game ISN'T a top-10 player WOW!
Don’t worry they won’t be saying that in 5 years, curry will show them
He’s not top 10 bruh
1. MJ
2. Kareem
3. Wilt
4. Kobe
5. Magic
6. Shaq
7. Duncan
8. LeBron
Instead of top10s we should have tiers
Now that steph has put on more muscle he should develop a post game.
Let's say 3 facts that made a good top 10 list... 1- Jordan being the number 1, 2- Lebron being number 2, 3- Kobe not being a top 5.
Jordan is still the goat, LeBron is the best player in the last 24 years but he is not better than Jordan yet and the Kobe problem, the fans and people that dont see the numbers put Kobe in Top 3 or even at the same level as Jordan, but Kobe was not better than Jordan, LeBron, Magic, Kareem and Bird, because he was not even the best player in 60% of his titles, just facts.
The problem with most people doing this kind of list, is that they based their arguments in eye ball test, in nostalgia, not in facts.
top 10:
#1 MJ
#2 Lebron
#3 Kareem
#4 Magic
#5 Kobe
#6 Wilt
#7 Shaq
#8 Bird
#9 Russell
#10 Timmy
I can't give Russell and Wilt top 5 since these dudes played in an era with 8 to 10 teams and predominately white. Any current player with the exception of LeBron hasn't done enough yet. KD is mentally soft AF for joining a 73 and 9 team, Curry hasn't proven himself in the finals, Giannis needs at least 2 more chips with the Bucks.
Kobe is not top 5 , maybe top 10
well said
@@henry7765 If MJ is #1 then Kobe has to be at least top 5. He was MJ in the 2000's. The only difference was efficiency. MJ was more efficient. Kobe played defense and offense just like MJ and he would lock down LeBron every time.
@@coachtorres5536 Kobe locked down Lebron bc Lebron is mentally soft AF on the court. He doesn’t have that “killer mentality” so it was easy. ShaQ needs to be higher on the list then Kobe. Remember ShaQ won all three finals MVPs including a regular season MVP. He was Batman and Kobe was robin.
Taco Charlton is taller than everyone
Doesn't automatically make it that much easier
They’re discounting the 5 rings got with Magic, but Magic won all 5 of his with Kareem
Simple. The was Magic Johnsons team all the way (except for the first Championship). Go check out Kareem’s number’s during their last two Chalpuonship runs. He wasn’t even the second best player on his team
1. Jordan
2. Lebron
3. Kareem
4. Magic
5. Russell
6. Wilt
7. Duncan
8. Bird
9. Kobe
10. Shaq
11. Curry
12. Hakeem
13. Oscar
14. KD
15. Moses
As long as LeBron and Jordan the top 2 players on the list than it’s always a great start 👌
man people have short term memory, as I recall last I seen of KD in the playoffs he went 0-6 in OT and got bounced out 2nd round hmmm what clutch we speaking of? not to mention before joining the warriors his HORRIBLE 3 straight losses to the warriors after going up 3-1 in the WCF
He was clutch. The problem is that he is he bucks held on for so long that he went cold.
I think kd had like 6 or 8 of the last made shots for him team. While they had miss more than made.
Y’all crazy if you don’t believe Tiny Archibald is top 75 all time when he’s one of the top 5 point guards of all time
He's not top 5 bro