Stephen A. reacts to Ray Allen's all-time starting 5️⃣ | First Take
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- Stephen A. reacts to Ray Allen's all-time starting 5️⃣ | First Take
Stephen A. Smith and Chris "Mad Dog" Russo discuss the best head coaching vacancies and react to Ray Allen's all-time starting five list.
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DeAndre Ayton was born and raised in the Bahamas... Just saying, not necessarily a "vacation"
Bahamas is his country
after how ayton been playing he don’t even deserve a trip to the bahamas. somebody need to tell bro go take a vacation in the gym
Bro getting traded alongside CP3
@@breonmitchell2443 And Earth is a planet.....
Cancun ain't in the Caribbean, nothing to do with each other
I'm amazed by Wilt Chamberlain's athleticism. He was born in 1936 and died in 1999. Imagine if he was born 70 years later? Didn't receive the advanced nutrition and training.
. If wilt had a little help adding muscle mass like Shaq did, Wilt would be unstoppable. Anyone who feels he could not play in today's game is insane. He was a freak.
I bring up this point about those players who dominated in their era's we really don't know the full potential.
@@ryancrawford8042 wilt WAS unstoppable
He was a unicorn THEN. I couldn't imagine a Wilt Chamberlain with today's nutrition.
@@St3phenking13 He still is a unicorn according to all the things we know about him. Lead the league in assists after reporters called him a one man show and not a good teamplayer.
The dude could do it all and played like a gentle giant. Even Bill Russell said that about him. Imagine if he played all pyhsical.
Doing a "Starting 5" is a fun exercise because it doesn't necessarily mean you put the greatest players at each position in there, but rather trying to construct 5 guys whose games would absolutely gel with each other. So from that point of view, mine would be:
PG - Steph Curry
SG - Michael Jordan
SF - LeBron James
PF - Tim Duncan
C - Hakeem Olajuwon
Here's my reasoning:
- Offensively, Jordan and James would dominate the ball, with MJ looking to score and LeBron looking to facilitate, but can score at the basket any time he wants. Curry could certainly handle the ball at times, but would primarily run off the ball, knowing he'll get open all the time when Jordan and James are getting so much attention with the ball. Duncan wouldn't score much in this lineup, but he could set big screens, play pick-and-roll with LeBron, and facilitate out of the post, finding Curry or Jordan, and be a monster on the offensive glass. Olajuwon also wouldn't score much in this lineup, but would be extremely reliable getting open buckets at the rim, drawing fouls, and hitting his free throws.
- Defensively, Curry is the only liability, but Jordan and James would have the IQ to call out switches to "hide" Curry in bad matchup situations. Jordan would destroy anyone on the perimeter and LeBron could switch onto any player 1-4. Duncan and Olajuwon would shine as all-time great defenders in the paint, basically forming a wall so that nothing could get in there. While they would be limited in getting stretched out to the 3-point line, that's where James can assist as a help-side defender.
I have James in there instead of Magic to provide more scoring and better defense. I have Curry in there to give me all the outside shooting I would ever need. I have Duncan and Olajuwon both in there over guys like Durant, Shaq, and Kareem because they're simply better all-round defenders with high IQ and can score efficiently without needing a lot of shots. Jordan goes without saying. And for fun, I'd have Kobe as a 6th man who could provide scoring off the bench, tenacious defense, and you could have him in crunch time moments when you need to go get a bucket.
I like his list, but I like yours also. I'm objective unless someone has Rik Smits in their lineup lol
Very sound reasoning
Very fair, no argument.
Lebron can't play with out the ball and no way curry even a top defender
@@kb-is1jn well, LeBron plays in ball, but off ball he’s good also he’s just better on ball
Ray Allen played with LBJ and still left him out. He knows what it takes to go above and beyond!
Pippen SAID LEBRON BETTER THAN JORDAN..
Hold My beer.
@@feldadon2965 Jordans son is pipping pippens ex wife..... Hold this L
@@feldadon2965 Pippen's take is a personal beef. Ray Allen's take is a basketball opinion. Hold this massive L for your lack of context.
@@thsu8 Ray took a pay cut to mooch a ring off LeBron, he didn't have any problems with his greatness then
Not sure why people don't remember Bird was a killer!!! CLUTCH!!!! straight winner.
Bird was K!LLER!!!
Bird had 4 year span where he was clutch 84-87, he had some horrible games and series in all the other years he played
He never choked
@@lamontsanford6132
1980 conf finals game 5 5-19 lost
81 finals 15 ppg 41 pct shooting
82 conf finals game 7 7-18 lost
83 conf semi's 18 ppg lost
84 finals game 7 6-18 lost
85 conf finals game 5 6-18
87 finals game 6 6-16 eliminated
88 conf finals 6-16 eliminated
8 points TWICE in the 1981 finals 🤣🤣 “CLUTCH” carried my cornbread maxwell deserved to lose
Curry, MJ, LeBron, Duncan, Shaq. Curry covers 3 point shooting, MJ - mid range, LeBron - all rounder, duncan - Defense and post play, and Shaq - dominant inside
3:00 - Mad Dog always has that Zoolander blue steel look to him.
Ray Allen list is fluid 😂😂😂😂😂
As all should be
@@alaye5583 not when it’s all time because then you seem like a fraud. Generational players are exactly that, generational.
It's a nice list I don't know why people trip over someone else's list when you can just make your own
@@ProblematicAraaB 💯
Curry is the ultimate X factor u put him on the court it frees up your whole team because of how good he shoots never forget about his gravity
Curry is great but with MJ and prime Shaq on the team no need for floor space.
That’s a very dominant 5 from Ray. No team beating them in a series.
Steph, Kobe, LeBron, Duncan, Kareem.
Steph: best shooter ever
Kobe: wash with Jordan
LeBron: bigger, faster, stronger and a way better defender than Bird
Duncan: GOAT PF
Kareem: unstoppable
Ray's team has "only" two 1st team all defensive players (MJ and Hakeem) while this team has 4 (all except Steph). So way better defensively, better shooting and still have the closer in Kobe.
Exactly he went with a very dominant team
5 lebrons would win LUL
@@Hala_Madrid_7911a better 5 would be bron kobe kd Duncan/wilt and Kareem
@@justinanthony8767 Five LeBrons would not beat five of the top players of all time. Ever. Get off his nuts.
Wow JJ, That pen must've tasted spectacular 👀5:23
Curry Jordan Kobe Lebron Shaq. No team can beat this squad. Untouchable.
True Curry and Shaq duo can alone can wins at leat 3 rings. Such a good match interms of skill set
take Bron out and put in Bird
Curry Jordan Kawhi Hakeem Shaq
I have nearly the same except I have Hakeem at center and Tim Duncan at PF.
I love it. That starting 5 is straight up WINNERS.
For Me I would put this starting 5:
PG: Steph - can distribute and stretch the floor
SG: MJ - King of midrange, great slasher and great defender
SF: Bird - Can stretch the floor with curry, can distribute, slash and a great defender as well
PF: Duncan - Very reliable down low and very effective both defensively and offensively
C: Shaq - With steph stretching the floor, Shaq can dominate inside easily which will ensure easy 2 every single possession
6th Man: Lebron - Can Distribute, slash, defend and can play all 5 positions if needed.
Im confused why so many people think this 5 is "awful"🤣 Ray clearly just prioritized Defense and the fact that you have the Most Dominant Big Man ever paired with arguably thr Most Skilled Big Man ever🤷🏽♂️
Bron can defend every position. Bird and Magic can't
@@veganpotterthevegan “Bron can defend every position” One of the biggest myths that y’all keep spewing smh.
@@Dame_301 dude did it for years, right in front of your eyes and simple brain
@Dame_301 never said he's Dennis Rodman on defense. But he's capable(during his long prime that he's no longer in) of guarding 1-4 at an all-NBA level and being solid against 5s
@@veganpotterthevegan
No he can't. He could guard 1 through most 4s
He could not guard a good 5
JJ giving Kareem his respect!
Ray Allen list is perfect period
When talking about the All-Time Starting 5, Curry is the first player that should come up, because among the greatest and most skilled players he needs the ball the least in order to be effective. We are not talking only about individual skill, but about an all-time TEAM. So any team that does not have Curry as number one is just not it.
I agree 100% having Curry in your first 5 equals more space inside the paint, allowing those great to attack easily.
Curry??? That's a good joke🥱
Idk I’ll take magic over curry prolly
@@clintscollectables Magic is too ball dominant with 4 other all time greats on the team. Steph will simply move offball, and shoot threes, spacing the floor for everyone and giving htem easier shots. Magic is better all time, Steph in an all time lineup should be put first imo.
dfence kind sir
You see how nobody took MJ out that 1 spot lol
ye u definitely need that killa, either him or kobe at the 2. And ofc 99% would take mike. I feel like someway or the other, we should try to get lebron in there tho, just imagine lebron being able to feed mj to his spots and being the ultimate facilitator with him. It would be as fluent if not more fluent than the ad-lebron offensive feed tandem. i just don't see the point of replacing lebron with a magic in the starting lineup. I agree with jj, steph, lebron, mj is the biggest killer trio. Magic was good, but i feel like he's a passer, and comparing him with bron, i take bron as he comes packaged with elite inside scoring also.
@@bigdripbobz1072 it all depends on the person tbh and who they’re a fan of. There’s nothing wrong with having magic in your starting 5 but given ,like you said, he’s more of a passer I think it’ll be wise to leave out LeBron and go with a 3 who’s more of a shooter to ensure you have a shooter in your team. Like Larry bird. However if you prefer Steph at the point then it’s LeBron at the 3 all day everyday.
That’s because the 2 next best shooting guards are not on his level.
You see how you got mj groin in your month? 😂
It would be a thing of beauty seeing the dream play 4 and pass to a late trailing Shaq 😂
Mad dog brings a lot of energy to the show. Respect
Props to JJ REDDICK for the Bryant respect and Curry love… I like those two with Jordan and Lebron. The only question then is the Center spot but I like shaq over Kareem. Prime shaq is the most unstoppable force in basketball and the spacing on this team would allow home to destroy the paint
“All nightmares and no dreams for the 76ers” I usually can’t stand you, but I see what you did there Molly😂😂
Why can't you stand her?
Yeah she really snapped with that one 😂😂
That Ray list is fire. Literally a unstoppable team on both ends.
Larry ain’t a defender tho . He is great in every other area
Lol
@Maxjuliann you're sleeping on Bird's defensive ability. He made 3 all defensive teams. He was slower but crafty, had a good sense for steals and blocks. He wasn't a liability like a Steve Nash by any stretch on defense
@@jd87926 Bird was a good help/team defender. He wasn't clamping dudes up 1 on 1 like the Glove or Dennis Rodman. I'm Taking out Bird and putting in KD and the team is untouchable. Say what you want about his career but KD is a top 2 talent we have ever seen on the basketball court and he would fit in seamlessly with this team.
I’m loving this list
It's spring time in Denver, doggy. 70's and mostly sunny.
it really depends on what you want, ray's team is gonna have a lot of assists, defense especially at the rim and a lot of scoring in the mid range and unstoppable scoring at the paint with loads or rebounds. yes there is a lack of three point shooting, but if you are gonna trade three point shooting with scoring from MJ, Hakeem and Shaq? and if you want to beat this team with threes, a reminder would be warrirors vs lakers game 6, and remember, if your threes dont fall, you dont even have the rebound. LBJ as a sixth man is also great, he does everything. big bodies and high mobility of this squad in their prime.
It’s his not y’all list relax everybody
I would hire you and force you to listen to me 😂! Pure comedy!
Solid Line- up Salute… that’s dominant
Honestly, with an all time lineup where there are so many people that take up space or draw double, having Curry is a better than any life decision you would ever make. Can you imagine those 4 on 3 the Warriors get all the time are run by Lebron and MJ
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The Earl of Sandwich, John Montagu, who lived in the 1700s, reportedly invented the sandwich so he wouldn’t have to leave his gambling table to eat.
love him
Hmm, I wonder what are the odds of him dropping the chips...
“all nightmare and no dreams” whoever came up with that needs a raise
I'd take this lineup: DeAndre Ayton, Zion Williamson, Dillon Brooks, Miles Bridges, Ja Morant
stephen a is a man of culture.
Almost every HOFer has MJ in there starting 5, not everyone got LeBron in there's 😂
That's because there is no 2 guard that is competitive with MJ other than Kobe. All other positions are somewhat competitive as to who you would go with.
Kareem/Wilt
Duncan
Lebron
>Bird
Jordan/Kobe
Magic/Steph
Because everyone got their own opinions lmfao lebron still better
@@toptiercrip Lebron not even close to being better than MJ….😂
@@jada8047 no ties pick one for each lol
People dont understand having curry on the court changes the entire way the game is play. It makes other players able to drop 40 alone. Without it, they will struggle.
Just put curry in the post on defense.
you went a bit too far there, curry opens up the court, but he wont make a random nba player drop 40, he can make players that somewhat regularly score 30-35 hit 40...
Get off your knees,😂
SAS really be moving like Kevin Durant's game is flawless. I get that giannis can't really shoot, but he does everything else better than Durant
Exactly lol
Look how they do in games they lose
"6th Man - Jamal Crawford" I rofl 😂😂😂
My starting 5 would be
1. Magic
2. Jordan
3. Bird
4. Duncan
5. Kareem
I agree with Stephan that lebron is a better player than bird but I need shooting so that’s why I put bird. If I had curry at the one then I would take bird out and put lebron in. It’s close but I’ll stick with the combo of magic and Jordan
PG: Curry
SG: Jordan
SF: Bird
PF: Bron
C: Shaq
Bron isn't the facilitator magic is but he's still good enough in that aspect not to mention better all-around. +Defense +Athleticism +Paint Threat .
Curry and Bird are there for shooting, especially if one is having an off day. Not to mention Bird's lack of shooting (if it were to happen) will be made up for by his defense and ability to give you 10+ boards anytime.
Jordan and Shaq are your killers. Jordan scores with Bron getting him or Shaq the ball. Only defensive liability is Curry who's weakness will EASILY be covered by the other 4.
@@savitarthegodofspeed1975 I can get behind that
To me my list would be
Center: Wilt Chamberlain
Power forward: Hakeem Olajuwon
Small forward: Larry Bird
Shooting guard: Michael Jordan
Point guard: Lebron James
The backup lineup for each position would be
C: Bill Russell
Pf: Tim Duncan
Sf: Kevin Durant
Sg: Kobe Bryant
Pg: Magic Johnson
Would’ve went with Magic/Jordan/LeBron/Bird/Kareem (and Curry off the bench for more floor spacing)… but that’s a pretty solid all-time starting 5, from Ray!
Bird nah Tim Duncan
Curry utilizes screens and pick and rolls a lot so idk how he'd work with these players tbh.
Having magic Jordan and Lebron in the lineup is redundant af. They all do the same shyt
Replace steph with Magic and put magic on when Lebron needs a break, they are pointless together.
Bird didn't play long enough for me to put in top 10 ever. So he definitely wouldn't make my starting 5.
3:38 Molly is really excited
FT is on 🔥 today
Steph should always be in a starting 5 because he makes it a ridiculous cheat code. Everyone else will get much more open looks. He’s not top 5 all time but he makes your juggernaut unstoppable.
magic did the same
This list ain't bad. But if im building a team for today's game, while also accounting for player style and tendency to be ball dominant, or system dependant ill take...
Guards - Magic + Jordan
Forwards - Bird + Durant
Center - Russell
Steve and Christopher 😂😂
I would take Curry at PG. He averages 30 points per game every year in double coverage. With this lineup he is 40+ points per game. I would also take Chamberlain or Russell as my center. With this lineup who needs a center that can score (although Chamberlain certainly could).
Have no problem with Ray's list. He was born in 1975. Those are the ones he saw play. I do wonder if Ray and Kobe ever made amends after what Ray said in 2004-2005?
What did Ray say?
Jj’s line up w Kobe would go undefeated 🔥
I love molly and Stephen A
JJ puts too much emphasis on three point shooting and also them not shooting a lot of 3s back then does not mean they can’t shoot them
"But 3 is more than 2 tho"
Steph's 3s =/= Skyhook
Kareem was til this year all time leading scorer - not sure he ever made a 3..
Magic/MJ/Bird/Kareem/Duncan - length and defense and offense
If you want length and defense, take out Magic for Lebron (better scorer and defender). Also maybe swap out Bird for KD or Kawhi. However, if you want better shooting, take out duncan for 2 of the last 3.
@@goldenphoenix5945 Only player I would ever trade for Magic would be MJ. I never saw a leader like Magic from day one so I have a lot of respect for his game. Also would want to see those crazy passes of his. Bird at his peak I would always keep because he was an assassin and had a very high IQ. I wouldn't change my five. All these guys are 5 or 6 time champions exccept for Bird, but Larry was incredible all around so I'd keep him.
@@LargeDude2023 I respect the reasoning.
My 5 would be: Curry-MJ-KD-Lebron-Kareem.
Better shooting and spacing for drives and kick outs if needed.
Lebron imo is a better version of Magic.
Curry adds the greatest shooting ever and would make the ennemy defense focus so much on him they would let others get easy buckets.
KD is a better version of Bird since he's taller, a better defender, and a better all around offensive player. Might not pass as much but very high IQ as well.
No Duncan because I want extra spacing.
Curry-KD-Lebron > Magic-Bird-Duncan
Slightly worse defense for much better spacing for easy baskets on offense negating your defensive advantage.
@@goldenphoenix5945 Everyone has their own opinions. I never saw Russell or Hawkins play so I can't speak on guys like that. I'm sure people that saw those guys might have a different opinion. Some people just by virtue of stats will have Wilt. I never saw Wilt play so I can't speak on him.
"all nightmares and no dreams"😭 molly is valid for that
Doc created too many open shots for the 76ers... he needed to "make for adjustments" so they weren't so open, and instead had defenders on them and more challenging shots
Isiah Thomas
Kobe Bryant
Larry Bird
Dirk Nowitzki
Hakeem Olajuwon
😂😂😂😂
@giovannirodriguez4444 my all time favorites, not the all time best.
That's an ill 5 💯
@@mike.tes7 isiah Thomas though?
@@giovannirodriguez4444 tough as nails. Won 2 chips in an Era where defense was the MMA.
I want 2 3pt shooters in my starting 5, so I would keep Curry and Bird. Also, replacing Olajuwon with Duncan is crazy talk. My 5.....
1. Curry
2. Jordan
3. Bird
4. Olajuwon
5. Kareem
If we need 2 3pt, I would take
Curry
Mj
KD
Duncan
Shaq
6th man lebron
@Chocobono taking bird over kd everyday of the week
Nick would not only be a coach but also a nurse for Phoenix Suns. Nick is perfect for the Suns HC job.
PF and C are the hardest positions to choose because all the greats played those positions. Kareem,Russell,Hakeem,Shaq,Duncan,Garnett,Robinson,Dirk etc
Bird a killer
It just hurts how they overlook Kobe….
At least JJ mentioned Kobe once. I guess it’s because MJ cancels out Kobe. If you pick MJ then you’re basically picking Kobe I guess…
A lot of people do not realize this. Kobe is basically MJ clone in many aspects and possibly how MJ would do in the 2000s.
Yes, Kobe was basically a facsimile of Michael so having both could be seen as redundancy. The bigger issue is these analysts always blindly choosing Kareem, Shaq, Duncan, and Hakeem as their bigs because they have the most accolades. I would choose Bill Russell and Kevin Garnett without blinking. The two best defenders of all-time who double as the two most SELFLESS bigs of all-time. I don't need my bigs to score if I have MJ, Kobe, LeBron, Steph, Bird, etc. I need them to rebound, defend (and be athletic and versatile enough to switch on WINGS), do the little things that don't show up on the box score, and be fun to play with. Nobody wants to watch the ball dumped into Kareem, Shaq, and Hakeem.
@@thsu8 Take Hakeem off that negative list because he had a jumper/fadaway and a arsenal of moves inside and outside the post. Plus he’s one of, if not the best defensive C, he’s the all time leader in blocks so…
I agree with everything else you stated in your comment 👍
@@sickamorestylz Hakeem is definitely better and more skilled than Kareem, Wilt, Shaq, and Duncan. But he doesn't have the portability of Russell and Garnett. I'm talking about 2001-2004 Garnett for you kids out there. Russell and KG could play with ANYONE because they don't need touches like a traditional big. Hakeem was a traditional back-to-the-basket center. I don't want a traditional center if I have 3 of the best wing players of all-time. I want the ball in Magic, Steph, Jordan, Kobe, LeBron, and Bird's hands. I want my bigs to rebound, protect the paint, be versatile enough to switch everything on defense, be athletic and maniacal enough to full-court press like a pack of wolves, be selfless enough to sacrifice touches and points, and have winning intangibles. That's Russell and Garnett.
Kobe and mj is brady and joe montana, it's like rakim and nas you can't go wrong with either or it's just the teacher will always in some way of fashion will surpass his greatest student
4:54 😂😂😂 he cant be serious
In this era of small ball: Magic, Curry, MJ, Kobe, Duncan
Magic takes the ball up, just like Dramond. Timmy anchors the defense while MJ and Kobe harass and switch almost everything.
The only issue this lineup will run into is a team with two good bigs. But they would also have trouble with this team running them off the floor.
Add Lebron instead of magic and it’s even better Wym
Why would you use magic when LeBron is there?... Just as good a passer, better scorer and defender
@@GameUnkasa it’s a toss up for me between these two. Magic was an excellent defender. People forget how good this guy was.
Magic to me will always be the best point guard ever.
@@nehalghauri2573 I’ll take Magic over Lebron at the Point.
Imagine the 96 Bulls on steroids.
And 6 man Jamal Crawford let's gooooo
I would put Ginobli over Jamal Crawford as 6th man
@@lockiet7227 Manu if needed more ball handlers and offense facilitators, Jamal if needed more spark-plug shooting and spacing. But my pick would be Big Shot Rob Horry if we winning championships.
@@FaerieHijacker what about kukoc
All nightmares and no dreams is good😂😂
Man that is some starting 5. Hakeem could play power forward actually. Like a Duncan. Nice call on that one.
Why people are idiots saying shaq didnt play against good centers. You put shaq in the 60's or 70's and they wouldn't have any chance at all to stop him. Shaq went agsinst the tallest and some of the greatest centers
After Hakeem was done the only centre in the League that was somewhat capable of challenging Shaq was Yao Ming. Shaq is still the most dominant player of all time and rightfulyl in the top 10 but the centre position was weak af during his prime
Maybe they don’t know Hakeem, David Robinson and Pat Ewing
It's weak cuz Shaq scared all the big men off lol
@@TrueGuardify Ewing, Alonzo Mourning, Motumbo, David Robinson, Rik Smits, Yao Ming. Shaq played against some serious talent
I also hate it when people say Hakeem "schooled" him in the 1995 finals, he was putting up huge numbers in that series, he just couldn't stop Hakeem from playing his game as well.
I knew before I clicked that Kobe wasn’t going to be included 😭😭😭😭😭
(If ya know ya know)
Kobe aint top 5 all time though
You sound dumb asf why he not top 5
Kobe and MJ are so similar and we know who people will pick between them.
I’m lakers fan so I know
He shouldn't be there.
PG - Steph Curry
SG - Michael Jordan
SF - LeBron James
PF - KD
C - SHAQ
I think this lineup checks all the boxes. Shooting, Spacing, Passing, One on One, Lowpost, defensive switches, Speed, Size, Length.
Solid list. I would probably go Kareem at Center and Tim Duncan at PF
Hakeem Olajuwon is a better player than Tim Duncan in every possible way
@@dasher920.......
@@dasher920 Hakeem only has two rings because Jordan retired. Duncan has 5 rings in the Shaq, Kobe, Lebron, Steph, era. And plus Hakeem was a center not PF
@@tPsychedelic Hakeem repeated as a champion while being the best player in the league and that was something Tim Duncan never even accomplished lol.
@@tPsychedelic
Hakeem is the only player in history to win mvp,dpoy and finals mvp all in one season.
He averaged more points,rebounds,assists,steals and blocks than Duncan.
And was a better free throw shooter.
Hakeem is better in every single category.
That's a great top 5 by Ray. Hakeem over Duncan but I'll have Wilt over Shaq.
How can you put wilt over shaq when he wasn’t even playing against ppl his size and still could only win 2 and wasn’t big in the playoffs idk wilt overrated to me
@@shanerobinson925 Shaq wasn't playing against "ppl" his size either. That's why he was so dominant.
@@anonymouslakernerd7214 dude, i am a die hard shaq hater during his prime. But he went against the best center and made them look like puppies. Mutombo, Divac, Yao. Etc. You don't know what you're talking about
Wilt is stronger faster and had more stamina
Same here, Wilt over Shaq.
Here's my starting 5s
1st lineup
Pg: Marques Haynes (5'11/6'0) (160lb)
Sg: Derek Smith (6'6) (205-220lb) (forward)
Sf: Hank DeZonie (6'5/6'6) (215-220lb) (forward-guard)
Pf: Maurice Stokes (6'6/6'7) (231-250lb) (plays all 5 positions)
C: Bill Russell (6'9⅝/6'10) (220-245lb) (C)
2nd lineup
Pg: Barney Sedran (5'3/5'4) (115-125lb)
Sg: Theodoros Papaloukas (6'6¾/6'7)(198lbs-225lb) (guard-forward)
Sf: Radivoj Korać (6'4/6'5) (207lb) (sg) (C)
Pf: Krešimir Ćosić (6'11) (195-212lb) (plays all 5 positions)
C: Bill Spivey (7 foot/7'1) (200-230lb)
3rd lineup
Pg: Brandon Knight (6'2/6'3) (177-195lb) (guard)
Sg: Tom Gola (6'6/6'7) (205-207lb) (forward)
Sf: Clifford Luyk (6'7/6'8) (198lb) (forward)
Pf: Mel Daniels (6'9) (220lb) (center) (C)
C: Bob Kurland (6'11/7'0) (220-230lb)
We old school fans love the Big era with Hakeem, Patrick Ewing, and Shaq. But that doesn’t mean the most effective team of all time would be composed of multiple bigs. But say you think the game is out of balance today. And you go back to rules where three point shooters can truly be hand checked. And moving and more particularly grabbing screens are not allowed. And take into account the flopping era and clean up all offensive contact and flopping. Then once again you have a more even game where mid range and bigs do matter more. But more modern players as better shooters also still are key. What about MJ at the 1 Ray Allen at the 2 Larry Bird at the 3 then Dirk at the four and Kareem at the five. Here you have killer mid range and so much firepower and but also dominant inside play. I think that team would fare pretty well although it wouldn’t be the best defensive squad but still highly effective.
How Kobe or Pippen or Bron doesn't squeeze into that SF position is beyond me. I love Bird but Allen is bananas for this lineup.
Bird is better than pippen and Kobe was a sg. Even if he was a sf a lot of people have bird over Kobe. NO excuse for Bron tho
I'm not surprised Pip didn't squeeze in their cause they're are many better options than him. Some lineups in the comments with Kobe and MJ were pretty good, but it's not surprising Allen only picked one between Bron and Magic. Bron and Magic's game don't mesh cause Magic's a better PG and Bron didn't do well off ball for pretty much his entire career. I think Magic wouldn't be good off ball either cause even though he had a set shot, I don't recall his offense being based on any type of off ball movement or coming off screens or anything like that.
@@gumballwaterson1957 Man you just took a dump on the greatest #2 man in the history of the game in Pippen, sheesh...😅
Im not a stats guy but Bird definitely wasn't a better option than Pip. Bron I will give you tho. Thats why I had to include him in the SF convo. Not PG position. And I had to squeeze Kobe in the SF because I seen him dominate from that position hear and there as well as he not being taken over MJ(even though I believe you can't go wrong with either one at guard) MJ has to get the edge.
@@Diego-fy6qz Ppl who have Bird over Kobe are casuals. Bird played half the career Kobe did and went out with a blown out back. Laying on the floor between minutes in the Olympics while Kobe resurrected his career TWICE and got 2 GOLD MEDALS with 7 trips to the Finals winning 5 and matching MJs all defensive teams with 9 selections...🤣🤣
Spare me...
Oh and I mentioned Kobe for sf because he has DOMINATED in that position before as well as the fact that not many of us taking him over MJ in that guard position. MJ has that locked down. But Kobe's playing weight was 220 lbs. standing at 6'7". Watch that war in the post with Melo against the Nuggets during the 08 or 09 playoff series and you'll see what Im saying.
@@jarrodmason4964 that's on your opinion which is cool Im just explaining the other side who would call you a casual for what you just said. Im neutral here
That's a strong all-time starting 5, but I would go with
PG Curry
SG Jordan
SF LeBron
PF Duncan
C Kareem
Curry over Magic lol
@@vegetalover9297 Magic's game only worked in the 70s and 80s. He played exactly like Kyle Anderson, so that's probably how he'd do if he played in the NBA today.
@@vegetalover9297 you’re probably one of those people who think curry is only a 3 point shooter 🤡.
Steph ain't no PG so just get on with that, no player that takes the most shots on a team and over 10 3's a game is a PG, like let's be serious
Steph is a SHORT shooting guard
@@TheExclusiveOne720 🤡
1. Magic (best facilitator OAT)
2. Steph (best shooter OAT)
3. MJ (best player OAT)
4. KD (best shooter from anywhere over anyone OAT)
5. Joker (most all around offensive center)
All 5 - shooters..All 5 - can facilitate/distribute...several defensive players
This is Ray Allen list. That's what he likes and grew up watching. I hate when people can't comprehend and respect others opinions instead of just accepting " that's his starting 5
Jordan, Curry, Lebron, Hakeem, Duncan.
That's a good 5.
Best pick nobody can beat
terrible pick. curry is not a good starter in any 5v5 all-time conversation. any top 10 guard would eat steph up, both offensively and defensively
Klay, MJ, KD, Duncan, Hakeem.
If you have MJ you're running the triangle offense, so you don't need a traditional PG. Which is why Klay works perfectly because the screens and movement that offense does is perfect for his spot up 3 point game. MJ is your focal point on offense. KD is the mismatch with his ability to shoot at every level. Duncan and Hakeem are unselfish big men, athletic, and great defenders. Size at every position, 3 point shooting, great defense, and MJ to close it out.
Official Nba2k Myteam lineup 🔥
At first when I saw Klay I just about lol. But then saw your reasoning and totally agree. That’s a deadly lineup
Step is literally still better for that role. And can keep the ball moving. He’s a more willing passer than klay. And just as selfless. He can catch and shoot just as good. As well as take deeper and more difficult shots from more places. As well as finish better. That makes no sense. Steph over klay in any situation. No hate here. I’m a ray Allen fan. But I’m sorry bro. Steph over klay in ANY situation!!
This a good list, I had Klay in mine as well...
LeBron, Klay, McGrady, Duncan, Shaq
KD can run point on the low, they double him give up the ball to MJ or Klay!
Everyone's would be different.
I do find most people's 5 starters seem to feature players that wouldn't fit or function together at an elite level . Rays should.
For mine, which is a bit different:
Magic, Steph, Lebron, KD and Shaq.
You couldn't double any of them in almost any situation, and every opposition would be in the bonus within 6 minutes.
Defensively decent size and length across, plus 3 players who could play multiple positions
Magic MJ Bird would be sooo much fun...this 3 wont allow their team to lose.
Putting Curry anywhere near those other names is a sin in & of itself😭🤡💩🌉 Most overrated star of all-time sure, but Ray Allen's starting 5 is better than any "analyst", he was an actual NBA HoF All-Star!🤯📠Honorable mention to Tim Duncan!🐐
I'm gonna counter Ray's starting 5 with Steph Curry, Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Tim Duncan, and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
At full strength team could go 82-0 with a below average bench.
Kobe is selfish volume shoter can play with nobody
Bro there is no logical reason to be Kobe over Jordan. Its an actual joke and I love Kobe. Kobe tried his best to be Jordan, but he is NOT Jordan. Doesn't make any sense
@@calioumarx4289 His 2009 and 2010 champs tell u otherwise. He won with Gasol as his 2nd best player. Which was still an amazing player, but if we all being honest that's still not the same level as Bron's 2nd guy in all of his 4 champs for example. So 🤷♂️
“All Nightmares and no Dreams” 😭
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Steph, MJ, Kobe, Bron, Shaq. That will beat that no shooting old school slow playing line up of Ray. Hakeem will keep on running with Bron that could play from top of the key and can pass to Steph or MJ or drop to Shaq.
Looking at ray allen list, and yall think we should listen the actual players lmaooo
We should listen to the internet 🤦🏾♂️
Ray Allen made the shot to save……..
Nobody
Lebron scored 10 in that quarter and made the 3 before Ray Allen's 3 to get to 3.
Let's be real here.
@@jonathansykes4986 Let's not deny that his shot was literally the one that save his a$$ on that series either.
@@4ktkaram395 denial Lebron fan is cute indeed 😂
@@judyclarkson5887 he scored 10 straight before and had 16 straight in the 4th in game 7
I don't necessarily agree with JJ's take about 3-pt shooting. It worked with Steph and Klay but who else? Guys born in the 1960s would not play like guys born in the 1980s.
My starting / finishing 5 (disregarding all-time status)
PG - Curry
SG - Jordan
SF - Klay
PF - Duncan
C - Shaq
This lineup will work in a TEAM system
LeBron can PG over Magic as the rest of lineup can stay the way it is. LeBron knows how to find the open man and Bird is a better shooter at SF so it will work great. Also not sure why they are so high on TD as Dream can easily play 3 to 5 and can play off the paint to give more room for Shaq to operate as needed. Just imagine Dream providing the weak side help D while Shaq is locking the paint. It's pretty deadly combination.
Dream couldn’t play the 3 let alone easily lol. I think Dream was a better basketball player than Tim Duncan and I agree Dream would be great at the 4 most def. Him along Shaq would be overkill. I would rather take KD over Bird. Bron running the point is a great move just would have to have Bron cut down some turnovers
This man Ray picked Bird over LeBron James. He need to have his head checked out cuz he's sick
He knows ball
🤣🤣😭 mfka done bumped that dome frfr
I thought that at first but if magic is in the game he runs the point similar if not better than bron and bron can come in a spell magic and the offensive can still flow. So I don’t think it’s a thought of bird over bron versus spacing and play style
@@brendanbloom3366 no he don't
@@jeremiahsmith7706 yes he do. Not everyone is brainwashed by the media having MJ and Lebron shoved down their throats. Bird is the better basketball player. This guy watched bird and played with lebron. Bird is better than any perimeter player not named Michael Jordan.
People forget how Kobe was real talk that dude was a killer 5 time champ with a 3 peat and a back to back cmon 81 points Kobe the 🐐
Thank you!!!
Kobe my favorite player and he second behind Wilt in all time points
Lebron at PG (He’ll still defend the sf position)
Steph at SG (He’s great on and off ball and the greatest shooter ever, he’ll defend the Pg position)
MJ at the SF (He’ll defend the sg position)
Dirk at the PF (maybe a defensive liability and ik Tim Duncan is better all around but he’d help space the floor in a major way)
Wilt at the Center position.
6th man * Magic Johnson
Thats a great team
How about this?
PG Jason Kidd
SG Ray Allen
SF Kevin Durant
PF Lebron James
C Shaq
Or Jason Kidd, ray allen, lebron, Duncan, Shaq
Either way this fits the not necessarily picking the best at every position version, but who compliment each other best
Edit - with Kobe or D Wade as a 6th man. This is also my make a team without Michael in it challenge to myself /version lol
The disrespect to lebron is CRIMINAL
😂😂😂😂that starting top 5 laughable 😂😂😂bird over Bron is insane
Lmao at talking about Denver weather. Bro, its not gonna be 30 degrees or cold! Its 70 something today! 😂
nice town? love their athletes? I instantly thought about Sterling Brown
championship expectations teams are not good choices 2 years max if you fall shy of delivering a champingship but if I can take a non playoffs team to the playoffs am already increasing my value as a coach
If I had to pick a starting 5 that didn’t have any of the players on Ray Allen’s list then mine would be the following:
PG: Stephen Curry
SG: Kobe Bryant
SF: LeBron James
PF: Tim Duncan
C: Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Not sure who would win in a best of 7 series but these two teams would go at it.
Starters:
Payton, Jordan, James, Garnett, O'Neal
Reserves:
DJ, Kobe, Pippen, Antetokounmpo, Robinson